Some More News - The End of Roe, Ketchup on the Walls, and EVEN MORE DailyWire+ Theories

Episode Date: July 1, 2022

Hi. Domestic extremism researcher Jared Holt (@jaredlholt) joins Katy and Cody to talk about the remarkably poor Democratic response to the Supreme Court's Dobbs ruling, the intense coordination of right-wing messaging, Rudy Giuliani's not-quite-record-setting bad week, and whether what Donald Trump did in the back of that car could be considered a "lunge." Follow Jared on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jaredlholt And listen to him on the SH!TPOST podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sh-tpost/id1348573415 We have new MAYBE WE SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF OUR OWN F*CKING BODIES t-shirts! https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews?ref_id=9949 All proceeds will be donated to the National Network Of Abortion Funds - https://abortionfunds.org/collective-power-fund/  Please fill out our SURVEY: HTTP://kastmedia.com/survey/ We now have a MERCH STORE! Check it out here: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA?si=5keGjCe5SxejFN1XkQlZ3w&dl_branch=1 Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/even-more-news Athletic Greens is going to give you an immune-supporting FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free travel packs with your first purchase if you visit HTTP://athleticgreens.com/morenews today.Support the show!: http://patreon.com.com/somemorenewsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello and welcome back to even more news, the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie Stoll. That's right. Don't look it up. I'm Cody Johnston. Hi. Hi. Hello.

Joining us today, he is a researcher on domestic extremism and the Internet and is currently a resident fellow with the Dfr lab and also is the host of the shit post podcast everybody give it up for jared holt give it up i've never said that give it give it up i'm picturing like people listening to this in their cars just going bat shit like yeah let's go on a jog just shouting, getting out of breath. I used to write this show. I used to script these things for myself. And now I just let it roll.

And now we see the benefit of you not doing that. Here we go. Give it up, everyone. Okay, cool. Write your congressman for our guest. Oh, boy. Thanks for reminding me. People are staring at you on the bus and you're just like motioning to your headphone. It's a podcast.

I'm sorry. I'm clapping for the podcast. If you knew who the guest was. It's not weird. I promise. You're not a you're not a DFR lab fanboy, but. I don't have much of a mask and I get I listen to a lot of pod. I walk a lot in my neighborhood

walk my dog multitask listening to podcasts and i'm frequently reacting or saying what like saying like tell them this and like but i forget that there's people and people see it they do there's no denying and it doesn't help i'd love our Raycon earbuds. Oh, wow. I can't say otherwise. But most people don't know that I'm wearing my ear, my headphones. Because they're so seamless. They fit seamlessly in your ears. And they don't fall out.

Whatever the activity. Anyway. Patented gel tips for all sizes of ears. We're not doing an ad for them right now. I mean, we have got to stop and get on to some holidays. Today, June 30th, is National Meteor Watch Day, which is funny because you watch meteors when a meteor decides to appear. They are not bound by the rules of our national holidays, you know? Yeah.

Because, I mean, there's not like a meteor shower all the time but like they're like shooting stars and meteors all the time yeah you can do it you can do it any day is it well is this i mean i wasn't aware this was a day is this about a specific meteor shower or is it just like an appreciation for jonathan in the extensive research i did whereby i go to a few fun facts box at the bottom where I go to national day calendar dot whatever to pull these this is just about enjoying meteors when you see

them specifically on June 30th not to do with any specific meteor shower yeah you can enjoy them on other days though right I'll tell you what I've never enjoyed a meteor shower on June 30th really I will I mean I maybe I have I don't know that's maybe I have. I don't know. That's a very specific day.

I don't know that I've ever actually. You should go. You should drive out to Joshua Tree tonight and see if you can find any. And July 1st is National U.S. Postage Stamp Day. This is the anniversary of when postage stamps were first introduced. July 1st, 1847. That's fun. Go get your commemorative Nancy Reagan stamps today.

They'll just give a day to anything, won't they? Yes, that's the point of this segment. I remember back in the day when days were special. Days when they mattered. Yeah, Jordan Peterson has some really good thoughts about this we need to return to god a time return to a time i i like i i don't even know if you're joking like he might have like a tight five about he he might i stamps or like national days or like anything like i mean if he was here and we brought it up he would absolutely take that bone

and run with it without question jared we're gonna ask you some questions we're gonna stop messing about we're gonna get get to it okay okay researcher on domestic extremism and the internet are there any is domestic extremism bad tell me about it how is that job uh the the job is uh really interesting i basically like eat poison all day and then like try to like ooze out something useful every once in a while so it's it's a weird job but unfortunately, it has become relevant. Like when I started doing this like seven years ago, I was like, I don't know, this kind of sucks. I'm gonna write some stuff about this and then I thought maybe I would move on and write

about something else but then it just got like worse and worse. You're in the right place at the very wrong time. Yeah, and then like doing this kind of work too also provides this like really kind of weird conflict where it's like as the world gets worse my career gets better right which feels a little gross but i'm like i'm doing what i can like trying to do something about it or like be helpful about it so yeah i don't know it's weird job that's an interesting perspective i think i won't speak for cody i think that you have a harder job than what we have

because it's not all hyper focused on just one terrible thing but there is an element of like yeah you swimming through a sea of bad realities bad, and trying to digest it into something that to educate people or to help in some kind of a way. And it's not great that business is going well. You know, it's a double edged sword here of like, I'm really grateful that we get to do this. But it's a real bummer. And yeah. Yeah. Like my profile has risen, but that is only because the profile of extremism has risen to the point where you have people like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I remember like media doing the thing they usually do and like, wow, she, uh, she's got some crazy beliefs, but a character oh look at this clown and then this clown is like in congress and one of the like leading fundraisers in the gop yeah future vice president marjorie shayla green yeah this is a friend she doesn't she doesn't actually represent anything and then it's like oh actually now she's one of the most like sought after endorsements even though she's like a do-nothing uh politician who only like agitates on a propaganda line you can see it coming and it gets frustrating when you're like don't do the thing again with her don't we're giving her the air and the attention she needs to thrive we are giving her you know but people have a tendency to be so short-sighted or say and i think you know don't worry you're overreacting

and thinking about that in just context with everything that we see happening you know i don't know if you've felt that way that you're like screaming into the void sometimes with your work and then people start to notice later yeah i mean generally how it goes is so i do this work all the time this is my full-time job monday to friday uh eight hours a day this is what i do right and i've been doing this for about seven years and it kind of goes in cycles, right? There'll be maybe some concern, but generally what we see is kind of a reactive national approach to this, where instead of talking about this in a proactive way, people kind of like sit around and something like the Capitol riot happens and everyone goes, holy shit, where did that come from and i'm and then it's my job to roll up and be like look i wrote this research paper about it

exactly we've been talking about it the weeks we knew this specific day this would happen and all these and i feel that way now as soon as january 6th was over it's like ever since there's it feels like tension to me like there's a tension in the air of like it's not gone. It's still happening. You know, there's there's people are organizing. It's just because you're not seeing it on your television screen right now doesn't mean problem solved. Which kind of brings me to this next question. Are there any discussions happening on right wing conspiracy social media that those of us on the left don't know about right now? Are there new burgeoning theories and other than Q being back, which is another part of that question? Yeah, yeah. Q is back.

It's kind of unclear to me if that community will go back to it because when q left for like a year and a half a lot of these people just kind of like dissipated out into the rest of the the far right you know yeah they're the same people that are going to the school boards or in the you know truck convoy that didn't do anything. So, as far as things that are happening on the right, I think kind of what people on the left tend to miss about the right is kind of how strategic it is. The folks on the right and especially the far right, you know, they might bicker and infight sometimes, but generally speaking, they have kind of this common terrible vision that they are all working towards.

And if you go back and read interviews with people like Steve Bannon or watch old videos that like Mike Cernovich, for example, was like putting out during their come up, they really kind of, they think about this in a very different way. You know, the truth or like honest, you know, trying to do an honest accounting or reaction to reality is really not what the project is. And they kind of think of it that way as a project. And also, the ride is like way better resource too. I mean, there's like a whole pipeline in DC to send like aspiring conservative college kids to like roll through the Heritage Foundation and write for some like campus outrage blog and then sort of launder their way into the press corps, you know, climbing up the ladder to go to places like Daily Caller which for some fucking reason mainstream publications see and they're like, oh wow, that could be a good candidate to balance our page, you know? And so, you just get this like ideological project being able to sort of crash the gates almost effortlessly.

And that's kind of how this level of power has been attained by it, I think. Yeah. Is there anything that you think social media platforms could do, could actually do better to kind of tamper down on this yeah i mean i i mean my first recommendation would be that they should just destroy the platforms it was a mistake obviously like all of this effort especially on this issue is like really hyper focused on like you know, we have to ban this account or like tweak the algorithm and ultimately we're just like fiddling knobs on a status quo that fucking sucks. And I think like you're

not gonna get lasting change here until you change the economic model of the internet and stop monetizing attention. Because as long as what's for sale is people staring into the app and getting mad and posting things and inputting data, these platforms don't really have a big incentive to do anything about it generally until it crosses the threshold into being illegal or like incredibly dangerous in like a violent way. Yeah, it's like this like kind of like slow acting poison and they just keep like changing the formula a little bit to make it like a little faster, a little slower, but it's still the same thing that we're all consuming. Yeah, it's the drill tweet about standing next to the racism dial

and turning it back and looking at the audience and like, is this the right level? Are we doing this? Yeah. Okay, here's where we start to actually talk about the news. And of course, the big news this week is the overturning-

Speaking of well-coordinated ideological project. There's the segue. Damn itinated ideological project. There's the there's the segue. Damn it. Right there. It's alright. Anywho, Roe v. Wade. It happened. Happened right, well, the day after we recorded and we did say that most

likely it would be happening so you could, I guess I'm a prophet. I don't know. This has been an awful fucking week and I don't even know what to say. I've been so angry. We had a Google hangout and I shared this. So for those 10 people, I'm sorry, you're hearing me say this twice, but it's like I've felt like a live wire. Everything.

I'm just so mad. I have no patience for anybody or anything. So fucking frustrated that we've been watching this happen slow moving train coming straight at us and i was cleaning out my garage recently and i found this box of old journals and uh like a bunch of them from all my from all my whole adulthood and i just picked a random one it happened to have been from 2016 and I picked a random page and it was like me talking about how afraid I was and how terrified I was of this specific thing happening and then right there in the same sentence I say I'm overreacting this can't possibly happen it really felt like a gut punch of how long we've been living with this this sword and

we've all been seeing it happen and yet and we we busted our asses to get democrats elected and done everything possible and in the end we just let them yeah anyway you know i i think what's important here is that we all give 15 to to Nancy Pelosi's re-election campaign. Well, she needs it. She's only like one of the richest people in Congress. Like you fund it, Nancy. You take a couple million dollars and fund the campaign. You fund whatever.

Yeah. Well, also it would be a different and we'll get into this to be a different slightly different obviously it's very frustrating when the first message out of the gate when it happens is you got to get out is like election in five months um like literally the only message from both the president and the vice president and the vice president also had a message of well what do you want us to do which i think is also maybe not super helpful um in terms of like the leaders of the party in the nation she grimaced at a television what more do you want it was un unbelievable because they knew this was happening everybody did we did we talked about it

that week we talked about it the week before and the week before and the week before and the week before i mean maybe they don't listen to this show i they should but like it's the only news podcast no they do i know they do i know they do joe get it together all right you donkey punching fuck ass i don't know um whatever the phrase is that was a good one yeah but like if you're going to like have some sort of idea of what you want to say some plan beyond that message and also if you're gonna say that the solution is just to vote it's maybe a little more helpful to say vote for democrats and we will do this specific thing um it seems so vague and unprepared which i think it is both of those things and it's just frustrating to see the reaction to that reaction be like well what do you expect them to do and this and this and this you gotta vote like

yeah i'm gonna vote i'm tired of course i'm gonna fucking vote like i vote all the time every time i can because it's easy but like that frustration is real people see the president of the united states going you gotta vote for us and hopefully we'll figure it out then um and then if when the reaction to that is like well what do you want to do at least acknowledge that that series of events is absurd it's a completely absurd series of events when everybody knew this was going to happen it happened and then like you got to vote for us and hopefully we'll figure it out later um that's ridiculous and to not be able to at least acknowledge that is very frustrating yeah Yeah, it's this like 50-year failure of the Democrats to have any courage to use the power that people give them. You know, stall some hearings, like torpedo some shit, you know, because that's like,

you know, Obama wanted to nominate Merrick Garland, right? And what did Mitch McConnell do? He was like, yeah, I don't think so, buddy. And... Told him to his face. Pretty sure Joe was there. They get their power and then they use it. And it's like, it's not that like one thing happened and now, wow, they took over the court. It's like a bunch of little things happened yeah over the course

of decades and then and a lot of those little things were like their failure right uh like it was like a series of of of successes on one side and failures on the other and in these heated back and forths there's like a yes this is 50 years. Another way of I've seen it phrased of Republican planning. Yeah, it's true. And we lost. We fucking lost. We don't have 50 years to slowly chip away. We've lost.

We're out of time. It's not. Yes. Abortion, bodily autonomy, but the climate, our democracy, all of it. This is the point where you say, hey, guys, new strategy, time's up, and you're terrified of the midterms. You've already lost those two as far as I mean, maybe not. I'm not saying don't vote. We should all I'm obviously going to vote. But a lot of people are pissed off and a lot of people are disillusioned. And a lot of people probably think that they can't keep giving the democrats their vote if they're not going to do anything with it because that's called enabling

like if you want to have a different pattern you change the pattern again not suggesting you do that but so what's so what's left what do you do you do something dramatic if you actually care if you understand the stakes and i'm not saying that we'll win the election if we say try to we're gonna get to this biden has now come out supporting you know doing away with the filibuster to codify these rights okay well what about gay rights what about you know uh gay marriage it's a week later by the way like he's saying this. It's a week later, by the way. He's saying this today. It's a week later. Again, we'll get to it. Like, that's not enough. Everything is at stake.

I don't know. I've been radicalized. I have very... I did not expect much from the Democrats. Why would you? But I was still stunned and flummoxed by how little they said and did like even threaten to expand the court biden can say oh and i know i said i wouldn't do it but in light of

this it might be worth considering threaten that they're gonna have some of their power taken away don't immediately give up all of your leverage in negotiate. Like, I don't believe that Donald Trump was the best negotiator, but like, Biden ain't great at it either. Biden's not very good at it. If he's saying,

no, I'm not going to do any of the things. Well, Donald Trump at least tried to get the things he wanted. Well, that's the, that's the other thing. Like there's that quote from,

I mean, there are all these fucking quotes from like the politicos of the world of like, here's the, here's the that's the other thing like there's that quote from i mean there are all these fucking quotes from like fucking the politicos of the world of like here's the here's the atmosphere here's the environment in the white house but it's all just like yeah they don't want to like they don't want to like make anybody mad it's like you're the fucking president man like you're gonna make half the country mad that's the deal right like especially these days like and everybody's already like what's the quote uh biden officials are concerned that more radical moves would be politically polarizing ahead of november you're worried about political polarization in 2022 yeah man is that like they call you brandon my dude like they love doing it yeah for someone like myself who does work on the

topics that i do this has also been really frustrating because the conversation is like finally to a point i think where more people are comfortable using like terminology uh to describe what's happening in the world in a way of you know noting that things are getting more extreme that you know what's what does biden keep saying ultra mega whoa oh my god so it's like we finally have this conversation where like we're acknowledging this extremism we're acknowledging it happening in state houses, which has been going on forever. But especially so this cycle. We're talking about, you know, democracy under threat. You know, how awful all these things are.

And all of that is true, I think. But then there's like, we're talking in these kind of very you know dark and serious terms and then the response to it is just like well uh that's that's uh why we're gonna have to vote in the primary yeah yeah yeah and then like the democratic party is also making this psychotic bet that's like we're gonna try to help the extreme republicans because maybe they will be easier to beat, seemingly having learned nothing from 2016. Unbelievable. It like worked like once, but then it didn't. And then Donald Trump was the president.

Like it's not it's a different time. Maybe don't lift up these fucking people. It's terrifying. It is really really truly terrifying yeah so so it's it's like frustrating to hear that kind of language where they're like you know this is an assault on our democracy and i'm like yes and like i i am glad you think that but what what should we do now but we can't rock the boat you know like it's like well, then the boat's going to be underwater more than it is. The first response I saw was Joe Manchin's saying he was alarmed.

You're fucking alarmed? Are you worried now? Are you worried now that they're going to do the thing they just did? Did his shares in energy companies drop that day or something? That's got gotta be it. Don't worry, Supreme Court took care of that today. Oh, yeah. That's why hashtag vote is really important right now

because they're taking up a case to make it so state legislatures can just decide who wins elections. This is really it, folks. Yeah, it's frustrating because there's an element of, again, like, yeah, vote. That's what you can do. But not just that.

And maybe... What are you going to do if I vote for you? What's going to be different? It's like, yeah, I mean, honestly, AOC is the only person I can think of who's been like, here's what we should try to do. This and this and this and this and this and this and this and this. Here's why you should vote for us. Like, that's the thing that is always like one of the most. And we've talked about that before in the show a lot, where it's like, vote for us, not because of who they are, but who we are.

Vote for us because of what we want to do. But they're so terrified of like taking a strong stance on anything. They can't message. And we need to know who specifically. Where are the actual states? Where are the states that are holding us up? How about we do some detailed profile work of what's there? What will work?

I don't know. Give us some specifics about which areas. Because that's a true point, is that there are very Democratic states with very Democratic senators. And then there are places that are less so. And I don't have the answers to this, but lots of people are much smarter than me and study these things. There are probably different approaches that we can be making to different areas. and approaches that we can be making to different areas maybe that doesn't work maybe this is all bullshit but it's something be specific let's not just give you our money for you to not do anything with it yeah exactly i mean there are a lot of like there are a lot of local uh elections and and and more like yeah targeted places maybe you know like yeah voting for president's like

whatever fuck like whatever uh but there are other elections that can do a lot and can have a have a big effect um it would be nice if the president was a good communicator one could say that communication is one of the key components of leadership and maybe this particular man is bad at it maybe he's a bad communicator keep thinking that one and this is not yeah you can play it there's that one clip of him like you can describe america in one word so true so true that's so true no i like i i also on the topic of like what to do, right? Conversations like these aren't very fun, it's a bummer. Like we are all frustrated, rightly so.

But something that I also want to like in the spirit of being productive, I also want to kind of say that cynicism is like really dangerous to political organizing. You know, we're criticizing the Democrats' response and everything, but there are things that like normal people can do. So, like as I'm watching and like tracking these far-right groups screaming at school boards that the gay teacher fantasizes about molesting their daughter or something. You know, just like psycho shit. Like, I always just like wonder where the opposition is.

It's like, why are these the only people at the school board meeting right now? And, you know, I think looking to politicians for leadership is good. Like, that's supposed to be what their job is and like Omar and AOC have shown really good examples of that. But thinking that we're gonna like totally fix all of this at the ballot box, I also think is a huge mistake. This has become a whole of society problem which means that the solution has to be whole of society. And God knows the right is doing that. You know, the Daily Wire launching a movie studio and a book arm and like, you know,

just dark money like pouring into all these different little cultural products, MAGA wrappers and like, you know, they're really going for it on all fronts. Like, you know, they're really going for it on all fronts. And if the response to it is also not gunning on all fronts, then you're going to lose, like plain and simple. And I guess I would just encourage people to think about, you know, besides voting, what might that look like? Because as you rightfully noted, Cody, in these like local elections, I remember when I lived in Arkansas and I, you know, was taking covering politics for a spin, like some of these county races for like judges and stuff, hugely important positions that determine

the determines the fate of like everyone in your immediate community. Those are one with like a couple hundred votes a lot of the time. A lot of people just skip it when they're filling out the ballot box. So like thinking about how to like get some energy together to like, you know, let's run some left-wing people or like, you know, let's at least try to like neutralize you know the bad stuff at the local level that's the strategy that they used to build power was local up um and i i think the left kind of has to start thinking the same way and start thinking that way like 20 years ago right right

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that there was going to be widespread violence in response to the Dobbs ruling. You highlighted a Newsweek article and a Wall Street Journal op-ed that were talking about threats from this nebulous group called Jane's Revenge that didn't seem to have any central organization or a lot of influence. And then people like Ted Cruz and Kevin McCarthy, they the what they thought the left response was b to the and for our listeners i'm using huge scare quotes here riots of uh summer 2020 and that didn't happen and and most of the violence that we saw was as usual got violent yes the police threw Stephanie from Full House around.

So I guess I want to ask how predictable it is that that's what the narrative was. I mean, it was pretty darn predictable. It's kind of become the playbook that the right has used to try to delegitimize protests, the right has used to try to delegitimize protests, especially popular ones, you know, protests supporting racial justice, which most people support, not them apparently. Or, you know, for things like the protests we saw in reaction to the Dobbs ruling over the weekend. ruling over the weekend. And the playbook is like so cynical and gross and it makes me feel slimy just talking about it. But generally, what they do is they identify some fringe element, you know, like any good piece of bullshit, there's like a small grain of truth. In this case, it was that Jane's Revenge group, which I still have a lot of fucking questions about.

You know, just this random blog that popped up and then got amplified by people like Jack Posobiec. It's like, come on, man. Like, how did that guy get the jump on this? This is fishy to me. You mean the guy that had the rape Melania sign? Yeah, yeah. The guy who visited Comet Ping Pong, who took Pizzagate to the next level.

Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. So they identified this and like Jane's Revenge, who really knows what is going on there. It's an anonymous blog, supposedly some collective organizing behind it, which I think is probably true to some degree, but it's not influential. It's not. is probably true to some degree, but it's not influential. It is sort of a fringe threat and there's a few arsons or suspected arsons that police

are investigating whether that group is connected to it. But mostly it's just been like spray paint and stuff. So anyway, they're taking this sort of fringe threat and then they're like, see what these people are saying and what they're doing? This is everybody who, you know, is angry about this Supreme Court decision. And, you know, where's the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to go defend our churches, you know, and like kind of ginning up the base that way. And it's just so cynical and gross but like in 2020, they were successful to

at least some degree of like tainting public perception of some of those protests. So, they're like encouraged to go back and try to do it again. This is like the new playbook. They even have like their little like quote-unquote journalists that they send around to all these protests to go film like 30 second clips of people smashing a starbucks window or something but it's almost like they don't need any real riots to happen people believe that like cities burned to the ground a couple years ago they believed it happened this last weekend so it's like you just need to like Ted Cruz just needs to say, oh, I think we're going to see more of this fake thing

that happened then. You know, it's like, I don't know how you combat that because it's not reality. Yeah. Yeah, but like reality is like not the point of them doing this, right? So, the point is to like delegitimize these protests in the eyes of their audience and to a fear of imminent violence in a base that loves their guns and fantasizes about being the good guy with a gun in a self-defense situation, you know, at some point in their lives, right? So, it ends up being a bit more sinister than just bullshit oh absolutely they want yeah it's that um it's that uh it's like robert paxton quote about this exact phenomenon in germany

communist violence was uh they had like it was this message communist violence is rising the democratic state is responding to it ineptly and only the fascists who are like are tough enough to like save the nation from these terrorists. That is a playbook as old as playbooks, and that's the kind of shit they want because they know they're the ones with the most guns, and they also have the police on their side. Yeah.

Speaking of all that, sort of pivot. Jonathan, why don't you update us on the January 6th committee yeah so this the January 6th committee announced a surprise session on Tuesday we we got testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson who was a former aide to White House Chief

of Staff Mark Meadows I'm gonna go through some of the details here please stop and react and speak whenever you got something to say, because there's way too many details here to not inspire a reaction. Amber heard 2.0. Tell me about it. Trump thought his January 6th rally crowd should have been bigger. He was concerned that the metal detectors called magnetometers were dissuading people who were armed.

He said, take the fucking mags away. They're not here to hurt me. They're not here. I me they're not here I'm gonna change your emphasis they're not here to hurt me mmm it well look that's there's been a huge discussion online about whether the emphasis was on hurt or on me in her video she emphasizes

hurt just in the just in the interest of fairness mm-hmm she also said effing when he obviously said fucking yeah right i editorialized right there and added fucking well now i don't know what to believe it's tough yeah if trump said effing that would be very funny um that's probably the biggest piece of like actual evidence that the committee would use since, you know, he then they can say like he knew he was sending an angry armed crowd to the Capitol and was totally fine because they weren't there to hurt him. might be able to get some because that's a direct he directly was told we don't have evidence so far of donald trump being directly told other than hearsay but either way i don't think it means anything makes any difference oh yeah none of this stuff makes any difference i'm just going

through it mostly because it's uh amusing yeah it's a yeah tell us more right so here's some of the sillier bits. So on December 1st, the AP published an interview with then Attorney General Bill Barr, where he said there was no election fraud that could have changed the results of the election. This made Trump very, very mad, leading him to apparently throw his plate against the wall. Hutchinson went down or into the dining room later and had to clean ketchup off the walls with the valet. That's one detail.

There was a broken plate. There was a broken plate there. Do you think the ketchup was the ketchup for a burger or for a Big Mac or was the ketchup for a steak? I like to mention it was just a plate of ketchup. He had one plate

just for the chicken fingers and he dipped it into a whole plate of ketchup he had one plate just for the chicken fingers and he dipped it into a whole plate of ketchup I don't know like rich people rich powerful people they just do weird shit to like get off because they have everything but yeah it's it's good stuff I saw somebody on twitter

I couldn't tell if they were being facetious or serious being like hmm destruction of government property in the White House. Maybe that's a crime. I was like, oh, we got him, folks. Finally. All that other stuff you did. But, sir, you do not mess with the China here at the White House.

No, the worst part is the replies were like, oh, yeah, this is like getting Al Capone on tax fraud. I was like, no it's not. What the fuck are you talking about? Everybody's broken. Yeah. We also have to include that he lunged Yeah, the lunging. I think that's probably

a generous word. When his, or trying to get gestured towards the neck of the head he signaled that he wanted to lunge he tried to grab the wheel which he has no idea how to use like what was he gonna do if he grabbed that fucking wheel left or right right you don't think wait he doesn't know how to use a steering wheel you think i don't't think he knows how to drive. Yeah, when do you think the last time he had to drive was? I know he took that publicity photo inside the truck, but I don't think it moved.

It's that Mr. Burns bit, right? I'm sure I can figure out which one's the deceleratrix and which one's the... Yeah, I am a motorist. Yeah, I am a motorist. Which one's the velocitator and which is the decelerator? Sorry, I had to get it right. I mean, I've been seeing a lot of stuff of people being like, I don't care about the car thing.

We need to focus on what's going to be prosecutable for Attorney General Merrick Garland. And I think, like, obviously that would be nice, but, like, let us have the funny stuff as well. Let us have it. Well, because the thing, the frustrating thing with all this is, probably, and I don't want to, you know, I like to be optimistic at times, but probably nothing will come of this.

So at least let us have the funny bits. Like, is Merrick Garland going to do anything? I don't think so. Unless they have him on tape saying like, yeah, I'm going to fucking let him riot. Let me, like, I want to be the king. Even that won't do it. It would be like crazy unusual for the DOJ to prosecute a president. It has never happened, I don't think.

It has never happened, I don't think. And I don't think that Merrick Garland would take the shot if he didn't have like, if it wasn't basically like a free point, right? You need rock solid. Yeah. The only reason. Yeah, they're all just scared of doing. The only way he's going for it is if he knows he can just like push it into the net. Yeah. I've been thinking thank god i mean i'm not trying to suggest that the people that trump had around him are capable

but they certainly stopped him from doing what he wanted to do on that day that feels clear from this evidence of everyone saying like no you it will be a crime if you go there. You know, like we literally we cannot let you do this. And he's fucking lucky, man, that he did. There was like we had a conversation recently. It was like, are you who are you more afraid of becoming president again? President next? Would it be God? Now I can't think of the Trump or DeSantis.

What's his name? DeSantis, you know know and it's like i i'm not sure but different different reasons different Trump is different reasons different vibes but you know he's such a clown he does the wrong thing and so in some ways he's less terrifying to me but i don't know if i mean that anyway he's lucky yeah it is like as satisfying as i'm sure it would be it sets a wild precedent to you know to be like oh well if you do something really bad you can like prosecute your political enemy and then you know not that i'll care if joe biden goes to in a few years, but like the second he steps out of office and like swallows a bug while eating ice cream or something, they'll they'll, you know, prosecute him. Right, right. And yeah, it's generalizing. It's not a it's not a river you want to cross unless it's like we have to do this.

I think that's also where a lot of like the fear comes from from them too of like okay well uh like the elites do but like you know they're not going to go after like powerful people because everybody does crimes yeah yeah like they're all doing crimes and so it just sort of opens it up for like well then but i want to get away with my crimes i want i don't i don't want him to do his crimes so it just turns into this thing where like they just well we'll just never we'll just let it all continue it's clear to me that there is only one man for this job robert muller it's finally muller time trust the process robert process. Robert Muller will be receiving the death penalty. I take no pleasure in that. I was going to ask if we can do some Giuliani stuff.

Yeah, please. Oh, yeah. That assault was brutal. One of the most harrowing acts of political violence I've seen. I know. On par with the Capitol riot, I think. I can't stop thinking about his poor back. Giuliani had so many things he did this week

in terms of embarrassment rivals the i think the four season landscaping week so i'll just go through what happened to him this week and bleeding black from his head yeah that's all that that was one week this one is a worker at shop right slapped him on the back and said what's up scumbag i didn't know he said that i thought he's so good on the back he said, what's up, scumbag? I didn't know he said that. I thought it was just... He slapped him on the back. He said, what's up, scumbag? And then something like your position,

your beliefs kill women, something like that. So funny. And the thing is, that's the only way someone like Giuliani should ever be greeted. It's just like, what's up, scumbag? It can't be the first time. Like that time someone saw Michael Cohen and said, hey, look, it's the guy going to jail.

Like, it's just very fun. Yeah. And amusing. He's made it out to be this huge deal. He said, I got hit on the back as if a boulder hit me. It hurt tremendously. Lucky I'm a 78-year-old in pretty good shape. Because if I wasn't, I'd have hit the ground and probably cracked my skull.

And then you would have bled more black from your skull. This is an audio medium but please go watch that video if you haven't already really funny getting a little little tap that's not all his son andrew giuliani lost in his bid to be new york's republican nominee for governor he came in second to lee zeldin who gets to go on to lose to kathy hokal in the general election and then finally he wrote and then deleted a tweet i'm just gonna read this tweet yeah he was criticizing uh cassidy hutchinson the witness first yeah what she said about him in her her testimony yeah which is that he asked for a pardon yes she said he asked for a

pardon um and he wrote the january 6th witch hunt cabal has now exceeded even its prior fraudulent. The last witness was a reckless liar. Contrary to her false testimony, she was never present when I asked for a pardon. What? Actually, I told the president I did not want or need one. What the fuck is that? You don't? He said he asked the fuck is that? You don't. He said he asked for.

And then actually, I didn't. Just don't write it. Just don't fucking write it, man. He's like, well, there's no delete button on this computer, so I better just say actually. Right? Like, I can't. It is unbelievable. I can't untype that before I send it.

Is he okay? No. Elon Musk's Twitter requires that anything you type is like, that's part of the tweet. No matter what. It's on the blockchain. Before i send it okay no elon musk's twitter requires that anything you type is like that's part of the tweet no matter what before you send it exactly yeah he did eventually every every letter you type is an nft that gave me such a good much needed laugh if i'm gonna be honest it's been so dark but that was like a deep laugh. Yummy. I really wish I could have read those three sentences without laughing, but I was incapable of doing that. He did ultimately, by the way, delete the tweet and then tweeted that he didn't want a pardon at all. Oh, good for him.

Not that she just wasn't around when he asked for one. Too bad we can screenshot. I wish I had the phone call from whatever comms person called him the second. She's like, what the fuck is this? Release those tapes. Just how many times has that person called me? You got to read your tweets before you tweet. You got to read them a second time, man.

Now I'm imagining all the different people are like, I don't want to do it this time. No, it's your turn. Bro, that's court admissible we were planning to talk about some of the other terrible supreme court rulings my god they are on a roll it is like unbelievable i would rather save dedicate more time to that so that we can actually talk about it we covered some of it last week it is just non-stop hits that are very overwhelming the implications of but out there i'm gonna throw to cody to talk about daily wire plus because that seems fun right yeah it's fun daily wire plus is a thing they already had a subscription model where you subscribe to

your ben shapiro teach classes on huckleberry finn there's like a there's like a book club they do um where he's he's got like worksheets so you can learn along with them it's like what we're talking about earlier like this sort of like cultural push to like influence uh or indoctrinate whichever one you where do you want the youth and the culture out there um and i always thought that was really funny. Just like, yeah, if I want to learn about Huckleberry Finn, I got to subscribe to the Daily Wire to fill out Ben Shapiro's little worksheet about what it means. I mean, there's definitely like conservative grandparents everywhere, like buying this,

putting it on their Roku because every old person uses Roku. It's a great platform. But they all chose that one, right? And when the grandkids come over and it's like, oh, do you have Netflix? It's like, oh, I don't have Netflix, but I've got something better you can watch. Right. It's like, can you watch Mandalorian? No, but we can watch Gina Carano in.

And it's just like, can we watch? Terror on the Prairie or Chip Chilla, which is kids programming, you know, that we haven't figured out yet. What is that? Oh, is it a Chinchilla family? It is a family of, I think, unless it's mice, but no, it's a family of Chinchillas. It's

called Chip Chilla. Voiced by Crystaliza. So the tweet is, we're creating kids entertainment parents can trust. No divisive narratives, no insidious ideologies, just safe, fun programming. The whole family will love. I think maybe that's not true. Not my family. My guess is that there maybe is some ideology in the daily wires children's programming.

Maybe the fracking billionaires and homophobic wilkes brothers are funding this for a specific ideology maybe like because also like they literally say this like shapiro is always talking about like yeah we you know we're in response to what we think is an assault on our values and our ideology we think like the woke culture in hollywood and the left lib media and all this stuff are attacking us so our role is to respond to that and you're not going to respond to that with neutrality like that's just not what their pitch is so obviously it's going to be i don't need to explain this to anybody obviously it's going to be deep uh steep in ideology but good for them disney daily water disney disney wire plus daily wire plus and i wanted to talk about this other this other tweet But good for them. Disney, Daily Wire, Disney, Disney Wire Plus, Daily Wire Plus.

And I wanted to talk about this other this other tweet. Yeah. This Jordan Peterson fellow. Have you heard about this guy? Oh, yeah. That is like the big premiere exclusive of this Daily Wire Plus thing. Exactly. So it's like some good, clean, wholesome content. You know, you can put this on for your kid and Jordan Peterson will be like,

wholesome content you know you can put this on for your kid and jordan peterson will be like the young the young boys with the anime body pillows they need to return to god kids love love jordan peterson they love him they can't get enough they can't get enough he's a muppet every day i you know i'm around kids and they're always saying i i need to hear what kermit the frog thinks about this yeah jordan peterson jordan peterson they exclaim we want jordan peterson give us jordan peterson little kids all the time all the time all the another reason i don't want to have kids because they're they're all into jordan peterson yeah like shut up babies and you can't just say you're so fucking stupid you're dumb you're a dumb little baby you don't know't just say you're so fucking stupid.

You're dumb. You're a dumb little baby. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That wouldn't be good parenting. That wouldn't be good parenting. You're right. You know, so. Well, that's why you sit them in front of the TV with Daily Wire Plus on.

Yeah. That's good parenting. Let them do the parenting. Okay. Tell us about Jordan Peterson. Anyway, Jordan Peterson, like four fucking fucking weeks ago tweeted something about a plus size model on sports illustrated swimsuit issue and he said that basically i'm paraphrasing he said i can't fuck this well i'm okay i can't jerk off to this fucking woman what are you doing with this shit my dick slimp is shit he said sorry not beautiful and no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going

to change that sorry not beautiful yeah that's right and then his response to prove that he like this you're like beauty is natural and we all have like a natural like d our dna says what we think is beautiful his proof was studies about facial structure and babies of like reaction to facial structure which i would posit has nothing to do with her weight and so like maybe he just it's like kind of a fraud and just like says whatever and then finds a study that's like loosely related to what he's talking about to prove nothing but he did this and then people were like hey man what the fuck yeah yeah my favorite replies were the ones that were like love you bro but like my girlfriend

looks like this and like she's hot to me right yeah it's like and it's like so like obviously we don't even need to get into it that much but obviously everybody has like a different like ideal of like beauty and attractiveness everyone's everyone's different things and different people uh and different things uh but like that's just true and it's changed throughout cultures and throughout history and facial structure has nothing to do with what his tweet was about anyway so what are you talking about jordan i have enjoyed that aspect i've noticed this a little more recently of like a lot of right-wing figures tweeting stuff like that and then their fans being like hey i normally like really like your stuff, but what's going on here?

Like, I don't I don't this I don't like this. So that's an interesting phenomenon that maybe we'll keep an eye out for. But so he did that. That is like the the photo of the Cheeto and the door lock. That's like what that represents to me. But so he tweeted this thing and then like went on his daughter's podcast to complain about how everyone was like mad at him or whatever. And then every once in a while he tweets something about different women he thinks aren't beautiful because he's a normal man. And he about three or four weeks ago said he was quitting Twitter because it's bad for him and bad for people. And then he absolutely fucking didn't.

He will not stop tweeting constantly every single day, just a stream of tweets. And it culminated in this tweet about Elliot Page. And basically, he tweeted about Elliot Page and about how, like, I don't even know, like, the butcher demon doctor who, like, mutilated her and stuff and, like, dead named him. mutilated uh her and stuff and like dead named dead named him and it's just like this very like transphobic tweet about elliot page which does go against the twitter rules rules of service yeah that's like it's it's out there you can read them and it seems to me like this happened on the same day he's got suspended from twitter and dave rubin did you know his little lapdog tweet about how uh we got a paging elon musk the society is crumbling peterson uh his tweets been suspended and so on he's like he'll never delete the tweet but this suspension happened like not exaggerating

two hours after it was it was like within like two hours of him on his youtube page dropping this commercial uh for daily wire plus jordan peterson on daily wire plus exclusive content all of his talks everything he's ever done on daily wire plus new stuff interviews and the fucking commercial for it it starts with three sentences and they are i'm gonna pull them up he's captivated audiences changed lives outraged millions is the third one and like that's all it's about uh he makes people that you don't like angry um and triggers the libs check out daily wire plus it just it's like i'm not being like you do this on purpose but i kind of am uh he's been trying to like provoke for a long time some sort of reaction like this he's even talked about this he's uh used

the phrase like on rogan i think it's like i've learned how to monetize sjws i do the thing then they protest and then my patreon goes up yeah he knows exactly what he's doing when he does it he knows the response he's going to get when he uh tweets something so grotesquely offensive yeah on so many levels like just first off let's not ever talk about someone's body let's not talk about someone's body especially if you're some public figure commenting on another like fuck you it's not your right he does it a lot he does it a lot but first off get that trash out of your brain but dead naming the disrespect you know and almost painting elliot as somebody that didn't have control of their body as if this wasn't something that natural and

appropriate the only thing for him that's him i'm it's so frustrating i've lost the thread here but yes he absolutely he absolutely did this on purpose maybe he didn't expect to fully be suspended but who fucking cares we are spending too much time talking about it we are um and we have a probably like two and a half hour video about this fucking guy coming out in a few weeks but uh but man what a yeah a few months we haven't shot it yet yeah but it's

coming down it's just it was just very funny to like slowly realize this because I was like when I saw his tweet I was like well that's you know what you're doing there. And then he got suspended and Ruben like made a big fuss of it. And then I was like, well, he definitely did this on purpose to get suspended.

And then I saw the commercial for the Daily Wire Plus for him. I was like, oh, there you go. There it is. If Daily Wire is already a subscription service, do those people get access to Daily Wire Plus or is this a second subscription service on top of it i think it's a separate thing because you have to like i mean for a like a year or two you've like every other article you click on for daily wires like you gotta subscribe to the daily wire to get this this is like a a like a new video centric thing with like the kids programming and

jordan peterson to their two things their two things cartoons and jordan peterson two there are two things there are two things cartoons and jordan peterson we are really establishing their own ip and back catalog of content and gina carano movies yeah no i i mean what what jordan peterson did here has is like not new either this is like a very common thing on the, well, maybe not common, but you see it pop up quite a bit. Like the libs of TikTok Twitter account did this, got suspended for a tweet, launched a sub stack, how convenient and like it's making money there. The Babylon Bee did the same thing. They got locked out for a tweet and were like, well, I'm not deleting the tweet. And it's all the byproduct of this environment where like I would believe concerns about cancel culture a lot more if it wasn't like a really potent cultural currency on the right right now.

Yeah. Like they're begging to get canceled because then they can do this like exactly victim complex i will say that one thing that i have noticed because we're very against that here i won't speak for kody about what i i'm about to say i've just been noticing articles about how that seeps in to like school kids uh you know a real retaliatory we're canceling ostracizing sending kids into depression you know need to move schools kind of situation and and i and that was given to me uh somebody is an argument against cancel culture and i was like that's i get that that's the byproduct of what the right is framing cancel culture to be i don't accept responsibility for that aspect of it but i do agree that it's a

heartbreaking element that you know it's like it's because of this culture war thing this idea that we have to ostracize when really what's happening is kids kids no i mean that's the point what's happening is that people there are repercussions for somebody and then they go and monetize it to somebody else that disagrees with that penalty or what have you. They get to go milk it anyway. Yeah, I mean, kids have never ostracized each other. Kids are actually not at all like they don't they're not cruel and they're not. Well, absolutely.

I think that's a really fair point. I think that they're seeing. I know what you're talking about. I can send you some articles. point i think that they're seeing i know i know you're talking about i can send you some articles there's actually some really tragic sounding situations that are are absolutely happening around the country i mean i'm sure some of our listeners have kids and have seen this happening in their own schools i'm not saying that that's anything pushing back against what like i'm saying yes and this culture war the whole idea of cancel culture and their response to consequences is creating this thing.

You know what I mean? Yeah. The article that you were sent wasn't that New Yorker one about the kid that showed that nude, right? The New York Magazine canceled it. No, I'm thinking it. New York Magazine. Sorry. No, it's something else.

But I do know which one you're talking about. Yeah. It's just it's like a very clear move you have uh people with a lot of power and like big platforms uh calling their specials canceled or triggered or whatever trying to get a reaction and get the attention um and then like then you have these smaller stories that no one really cares about like that fucking bodega guy who got fired for complaining about how there are no like whole foods in his neighborhood in new york or something like that which is like well that's unreasonable but it's not the same thing and no it's not these people know exactly what they're doing

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