Some More News - The One Reason Joe Rogan Isn't A Republican and EVEN MORE Manchin News

Episode Date: July 29, 2022

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hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast my name is katie stole first and only that sounds true i know it's true we'll need the true things are said here hi i'm cody johnston that's also true that That's my name. What's up? Sup? You know, stuff. Sup? Lots of things. No guests today, but Jonathan's here. I didn't call him Beloved this time because I felt like I was crossing a line last time. I didn't even remind you that you called me Beloved last time.

It was just in your brain. Thank you for that. It was in my brain. Well, because I almost said it again. And then I was like, maybe I should do something different this something different you technically did say it again i did i still did i mean look i we're talking about it yeah i made a choice and then i ruined it any publicity is good publicity so you guys are freezing for me which is gonna happen a lot during this episode and then it's gonna catch up we can hear you just

fine that's great it's true before i tell you why my internet is freezing we have got to celebrate a little just yeah you know woo yay yay july 28th national milk chocolate day i do like milk chocolate though i read that just now it's chocolate milk happy milk chocolate plan plan load that milk chocolate it's also national water park day oh so have a nice uh cold glass of milk chocolate get just wait so it's milk chocolate not chocolate milk see there we go i read it as chocolate milk and i was like i could go oh milk chocolate too hot too hot for that i don't recommend celebrating both the national water park day and national milk chocolate day at the same time like if you take it i don't know milk chocolate at the water park it's gonna melt

i recommend doing whatever you want. Well, then it becomes hot chocolate. Do your business. Do your business. Milk chocolate and water parks at the same time. More power to you. This is America. We're a free country.

America's back. Goddamn right. And then Friday, July 29th is National Talk in an Elevator Day. Something you should not do. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's something you should only do if you're a bad person Did the Hulu series Only Murders in the Building Invent this holiday?

Have you seen that show? They talk in an elevator a lot? Yes There's a lot of talking in elevators Thank you for laughing even though you had no idea I mean I've seen trailers Like that scanned for me Yeah I bet they do talk in elevators quite a bit My laughing even though you had no idea. I mean, I've seen trailers like that scanned for music. Yeah, I bet they do talk in elevators quite a bit.

My parents keep telling me to watch it. It's funny. If you like Steve Martin and Martin Short, you'll like it. And Selena Gomez is quite good in it. That's a bonus. Is she now? I've never seen her act in anything. I'm not surprised that she's a good actress. She gets cast in things. I have no opinion.

I would not be surprised if she's good in it. I would not be surprised if she's not because I she gets cast in things i have no opinion i would not be surprised if she's good in it i would not be surprised if she's not because i have never seen her in anything plus oscar nominee amy ryan shows up from time to time how could you go wrong so now is the time for us to chit chat as if we weren't just chitting and chatting my internet My internet is unreliable right now because I moved to the mountains this week. You know, L.A. is very expensive and it's really hard to save money and think about your future when you're single living in Los Angeles and rent is astronomical. Plus, I've really been hyper aware of how my body feels when I am in the city. And this was a really hard. This is a really hard choice for me.

Oh, didn't expect me to tear up saying that. Because I love LA. I love my friends. I love my life. But I don't like what it does to me all the time, especially with the work we do. Another thing that I love, but it's very hard to turn off at the end of the day. And my family lives up here. My parents retired up here. I have been coming up here my whole life. This was the only place we could afford to go on vacation as a kid. And my dad used to take me out

of school early on Fridays and we'd go camping or, but every summer we'd meet up here and we'd play at the lake. And it was always my parents' dream of retiring up here. And then once they did, and I've the last six years been coming up here so often and craving it. It's like, as soon as I step out of the car and I take a deep breath of the mountain air and I hear the wind and the trees and it's like my whole body relaxes and I feel like I'm home. And you guys know I've been really open about family stuff. We lost my brother about 10 years ago and this was his favorite spot. I always feel really close to him when I'm here. My other brother lives about two hours away and my nephew is young. And so it just felt like I needed to do something different.

I am going to be in LA every month. My friends are amazing. I'm going to stay at my friend's house and be my home base when I'm in town. And I don't know. I don't know what this time holds for me, but I know that I want to enjoy my family. I'm so filled up every time. The past few days I've been here, my parents just pop by. My dad just shows up with a drill and says, point me in the right direction. When I arrived here, my mom had filled my fridge with groceries. It means a lot to me.

The one thing that I am very concerned about is how different my politics are from the people in this area. I also feel a little, I'm curious. I'm curious to see what kind of conversations I have. I'm curious to see what kind of people I meet. I know it's going to be difficult. I am not looking forward to 2024, you know, to the next election. But that can't be the only thing that holds me back from from finding it, making peaceful choices. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I mean, this is, you know, already like you it's you know, transitions can be very sad and scary and anxiety enthusing. But also there's a lot of joy in the conversations that we've had since you've gone up there and stuff so and you know the politics stuff no place is 100 anything or anybody no

person is 100 anybody so i i think obviously like you know when election time comes around you're gonna see a lot of trump shit because he'll be the nominee and then he'll be the president and things will be the way they are but you know like there are different yeah it's not there are people here that and then think like me those are also people that like you know even if they don't think like you there's common ground and you can talk to them and you know well at the end of the day i i'm aware that i might yeah i might not meet a new best friend up here but but I'm going to make friends. And I've got a lot of best friends in L.A. and around the world at this point because everybody's moving. Everybody's making choices for themselves.

The other thing is that I'm in my late 30s and everybody's busy. Everybody's friends are having babies or getting married or moving other places, whatever it is. And it's thrilling. But it's we've emerged. We haven't ended the pandemic, but we've emerged from lockdowns, different people with different priorities. And Jonathan, you're also moving soon. Yes, but just within the city. Sure.

But it's still a stressful thing. Yes, but just within the city. Sure, but it's still a stressful thing. But I just, I have a lot of, I just, whenever I do this, I always forget. Like, I always remember, oh, yeah, moving's stressful. And then when it gets right down to it, you remember just what an ordeal it is and how much work it is to, like, tell every administrative bureaucracy in your life that you are moving and doing all this stuff um so the fact that you have done it you know not across the city but across the state um into a different a place that has a drastically different vibe um and different feel but also it feel it sounds to me at least in what you've told me that there's a refreshing

nature to it that like it's good to feel a little bit different that's what i'm going for in this move even though i'm staying in la that it's gonna like feel a little bit more refreshing yeah environment changes do that um whether even if it's like within the same city or a similar feeling space it's still an environment oh my goodness it is so expensive the actual act of moving even if you want to we were talking about this before we hit record even if you're doing the move yourself it all adds up i just so aware of i mean but you are right it is there is something refreshing up here and i know that not everybody shares my politics there are some extreme pro-trump people here for sure but there's actually a lot more people that aren't you know there's a lot more people that tell that line of

thinking that they were republican but maybe think maybe they aren't you know yeah maybe they're a forward party right yeah maybe they're a forward party there's probably a lot of libertarians up here a lot of there's a lot of everything up here it's a lot of it i that's what's kind of cool you're in like a 55 45 zone instead of like a 70 30 zone which is still drastically different from what you're used to but right it's not like you're alone in a sea of people who think completely differently from you yeah even if like in the 70 30 world the 30 they find each other and like or if you know yeah i'm not sure how to talk about our work because i'm not gonna lie about it

you know when people ask me but i'm curious to see how it's going to be received. You know, I'm not going to shy away from my opinions, but I'm going to try to be kind and open minded. I'm going to try to engage with people where they're at and ask good questions and listen. But we'll see. I haven't I haven't encountered it yet. Anyway, we've talked about that enough for now. I'm going to be talking about it a lot. I bet I'll be having conversations that you know i'll want to reference but yeah i'm still figuring out how much because you know this is my new little town my new little cutie town whose name i won't share new little cutie town you get different perspectives and stuff and it's good and you know i'm sure you'll probably also find that like people want to avoid

being like aggressive about their opinions when they're like oh you do a political podcast okay well we won't talk about that then you know like most people don't aren't like you're not gonna like you're like yeah there are gonna be people who are extreme but like you're not real life isn't twitter yeah twitter affects real life and real real people are online but like it's not going to be this sort of uh i don't think a whirlwind of aggressive you know my my my i agree with you completely and the times that i have talked with people here i've been like look no we hate trump but we don't like biden either that's my my lead is like i actually think that once we sit down and talk about stuff

we probably agree on more than we'd expect. Yeah, nobody likes Brandon. Yeah, you can open up some Brandon humor. Nobody likes Brandon. I bet that all, yeah. Yeah, fuck Brandon. We're going to get into that today. Well, it's like, you know, like a lot of people also, I think, sort of have this, probably have this assumption of like, oh, you do a political podcast.

You hate Trump. So I bet you're like Rachel're like rachel maddow you're like that jake tapper it's like but the truth is the things that they hate a lot of the things that they hate are things that we talk about not all of it mainstream media yeah we don't like the way things are portrayed and they sensationalize us we probably hate the mainstream media for different reasons but like we all have a common distrust of the same entities. You know, we have a common desire to. Except for the cops. Except for the cops.

You probably you probably greatly differ on the cop issue. Here's the thing. I almost certainly do. But there are almost no cops here. There are almost no cops here. You sometimes see them patrolling up and down the main mountain road. But I I haven't seen anybody pulled over. I haven't seen anything like that.

Probably because it's pretty white. Maybe they're just very law-abiding citizens. You ever think about that? No, I don't. You ever think about it, though? I also could be very wrong. Look, I don't know. My perception's of a place, and I've not lived here before.

I've spent a lot of time here, but I haven't lived here. So I could be wrong, and there's a lot I'm going to learn. So I probably even shouldn't say that, you know? But I've been told that by locals. I remember somebody, I said, are you good to drive? And they're like, ah, there's no cops here. I'm like, cool, that didn't answer my question. I mean, I think it did.

Yeah, it absolutely did. Yeah. Yeah. cops here like cool that didn't answer my question i mean i think it did yeah yeah i think i think you're right i'm excited and um scared also there's yeah surprise things like oh propane propane's a thing that's expensive but you don't use it very often so we'll see okay on to the news sharing exciting times i hope that well i just need you to come visit anxieties and concerns are unfounded i don't think they will be but i don't think they i don't think that anything i think that everything is good and bad yeah i loved being in LA with people that are like-minded and and live lots of friends but I hate the claustrophobia I feel I hate how if I'm stressed about our I always get nervous before these shows I always feel anxious and nervous but in LA it's especially this time of year it's so hot that going outside

isn't really like that's oppressive feeling like you feel a little claustrophobic and it's there's no natural place that's easy to access. You'd get stuck in traffic. If I want to do something else before a show, I start getting anxious about if I have enough time to get back and if I'm going to find parking. And today I went on a hike. I watered. I played with my dog. I saw my parents. And I read everything and prepped for the show. I don't know.

That hits different. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that this will be healthy. Anyway. Okay. News. Oh, my gosh. I did just say that I read everything, which I did, but I have not got internet,

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to take control of your health and give AG1 a try. You love it. You love to try you love it you love it you love it so joe mansion and chuck schumer they say they've got a deal on a bill to address climate change energy prescription drugs and the deficit i think they have the votes to make it pass like 50 votes through reconciliation it is not close to what build back better was going to be but it is something so we like something it is something and not nothing but the something is tempered by other somethings i'll just go through it so it's 433 billion in new spending uh i think so that's a lot less than the $2 trillion plus and really the $6 trillion plus

that we thought it was going to be. I'm not good at math, but yeah, you're right. That seems different. Yeah, it's a lot lower, but there's a lot of good... I mean, there's a lot of things that are definitely good here. It allows Medicare to begin negotiating the price of prescription drugs. It continues subsidies for 13 million people who use them to buy health insurance through the ACA, 15% minimum tax on big corporations more funding for the irs three billion dollars to help the post office get its electric fleet and then there's some of the climate change stuff so there's a lot of climate clean energy tax credits um 27 billion dollars in a clean energy technology accelerator and then some of the other stuff is it gives joe mansion on like a natural gas pipeline $27 billion in a clean energy technology accelerator.

And then some of the other stuff is it gives Joe Manchin on like a natural gas pipeline in West Virginia. I think there's one in Alaska as well. Congratulations, Joe. Yeah, so Joe got his things. Yeah, there's a lot of back and forth on this and a lot of the details still haven't come out. The vibe seems to be that it's a lot more than we thought we were going to get ever. Which is nothing.

Which was nothing, right? We thought we were going to get nothing, so this is something. But also, this is going to have to rely on these subsidies and clean energy tax credits to move us away from fossil fuels, and it doesn't do anything to get rid of the fossil fuels. It's like, okay, so reduced carbon emissions by roughly 40 by 2030 it just doesn't seem to me that this stuff will do that you know like as it's like like like there needs to be a huge investment in order to actually achieve that i could be wrong yeah i mean tax credits are maybe not the be all end all solution it is something the predicament it's like it's like okay at least we're moving the

ball in the right direction yeah well also like they like fucking did a little switcheroo to get this uh happening which uh is not something i one would expect from the democratic party what do you mean uh well like there was a whole uh they didn't want to do any of this, and they wanted to, like, take any reconciliation off the table in order to pass, was it CHIPS? Is that right? And they did that,

and then the Democrats were like, we're doing it anyway. So they got their CHIPS bill. They also, the Republicans kind of lashed out afterwards and voted down the bill to help veterans suffering from toxic exposure which had a previous version of which had passed the senate 84 to 14 but then they were all mad this morning so they voted down the latest version of it yeah well i mean pollution isn't real um and it doesn't affect people or the environment so one could say that they're actually voting in support of veterans and they do support

the troops actually because they i don't even know where i'm going with this bit they're uh hypocrites and cowards and liars and they don't give a shit um and they don't really seem to care who they will hurt in order to make a statement yeah it's like hey we were ready to be mad at joe mansion and biden today and then you guys had to do some real mean spirited shit yeah you had to do some worse stuff i mean there's also just like they they all call out the like oh 300 billion dollars in deficit reduction that's part of this and man we could really use that 300 billion dollars to do a bunch of good stuff instead of putting in credits that will only reduce the level of fossil fuels if it like allows the free market to do so right that's like to me that's's what I mean. I get. OK, I like that we're acknowledging this goal and that this is supposedly towards it's supposed to move us towards that. But achieving that means significant fundamental change in how we get our energy.

energy and you know but this is what we've got and if it can happen also we're not even talking about the cinema of it all which the last i checked she's radio silent and from what i understand there are things specifically in here that she has talked about being a no-go for her i mean she's going to be the center of attention now, and I don't think she hasn't shown that she's able to pass up that opportunity. Yeah, she's not going to roll over and show off her belly unless it's... Ugh, never mind. I was going to be a mean-spirited joke.

Instead, I'll leave it as like a puppy. You stopped yourself. Look, the woods are changing you. Unless she rolls over and... No, I'm not doing it. No, the woods haven't changed it. It's just mean to women. I don't want to be mean to women women i want to be mean to the fact that she's you want to be mean to that woman i want to be mean to that woman but whether or not she has a brand new

belly button ring doesn't matter oh that's not necessarily mean to women that's just like about her particular aesthetic right yeah and the vibe that she's trying to cultivate you've made me feel better about it but i i don't want anybody who has the belly button ring to i'm glad that i a man have made you feel better about your insult to this woman yeah i just hate her you know she sucks i wouldn't soften my language with her if she lived in this mountain i'd tell her exactly what's up okay um i want to call out i want to highlight biden this little snippet from his statement this is the action the american people have been waiting for this addresses the problems of today high health care costs and overall inflation as well as investments in our energy

security for the future and i scoffed this isn't the action the american people have been waiting for sir this is not it that's the thing about all this like it's not you know there there are good things happening and that's great it's frustrating it doesn't bode well necessarily depending on how many who knows how many variables but like if you're framing this thing which is not enough to really do like the things we need to do but it's still some good stuff but if you're framing it like this is what we've been waiting for this is that we fucking did it then there's not going to be any fight to do more because exactly now because it's being framed as we did it we did it joe but you didn't you need to do more yeah him putting it that way suggests that the

thing he wanted before he didn't really want that much and isn't that important where of course it's very very important right and now and now like okay if you know there and there are other things that need to be done for other like other aspects of life um and maybe they'll focus on that but you know in the scenario where he stays the president and doesn't you know get double covet or whatever and this we get more in the senate and that and so on then this won't be a focus at all because it will have been accomplished in his mind so all of that yeah power that they get will be directed maybe places that are less important but you know maybe they'll do a bunch of voting stuff uh before the uh other election you know i feel bad for the guy

i don't actually brandon yeah poor brandon he's bad at being president video they keep sharing of brandon talking with his wild eyes that don't blink what's up with that i haven't seen that i haven't had internet except for when my dad lends me this hot spot it's just like this weird uh back and forth between like squinty sleepy eye brandon and this like weird like manic like his eyes like he doesn't blink his eyes are like so wide And he doesn't Seem lucid either We can call him whatever we want

It's the president it's a free country Yeah that's the rule you call the president whatever you want He's Brendan now Or Brennan Is that from the video where Brecken was Talking about Trump and the Like in January 6th you can't be you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-cop or something it's like literally you can a lot of them are

yeah it's that one and uh it's just it's just unsettling some of the videos of him speaking are just unsettling and it's fine he gave that that speech right after testing negative for COVID, right? Or was that before? It was right before he shared his test. Got it. He's given a bunch of speeches this week. Well, he's so good at them. He's good at them and

COVID hasn't stopped his eyesight. The great communicator. Yeah, let's talk about the gay marriage bill. Oh boy. Last week, the House passed a marriage equality bill with all Democrats and 47 Republicans indicator um yeah let's talk about the gay marriage bill oh boy uh last week the house passed a marriage equality bill with all democrats and 47 republicans voting in favor this is one of several bills the house is trying to pass because of the suggestion floated by clarence thomas in the dobbs concurrence that other privacy cases uh should get a second look that have to do with uh same-sex marriage contraception etc also ted cruz specifically said

on his uh right daily wire propaganda podcast that he also thinks that it should be overturned and uh it should not be legal yeah why does he think that why does ted cruz think that um because he's a culture warrior dork based loser who uh i mean he just said any argument for this like fucking matt gates will say this kind of thing ben shapiro says this a lot now their framing is that they think that the government shouldn't be in marriage at all the government it's like a they've they've shifted over to a libertarian argument yeah exactly friend with someone here in california when i didn't hadn't realized they were against was it no or yes on whatever the proposition here was prop eight that in 2008 yeah i think it was eight yeah and he's christian and he just said

no i mean i don't have anything against gay people, but I just don't think, you know, marriage is a religious thing. And it's, you know, it's between a man and a woman. So, like, they can go get a certificate. And I just didn't talk to him again. Actually, Cody, we ran into him once out of Target. But we didn't run into him. I saw him and i made us hang back i love hanging back at target it's just so uh disconcerting because like we did this we did

this 15 years ago until i mean for decades and we we thought it was over it was over for like five years and now they're like oh we see a little inkling we can come we can bring this back but like a lot of the republicans don't really they're not sure if they're ready to make this their culture war thing or not they sure shouldn't so like ron johnson said he would support it but then he got a lot of pushback in uh from conservative religious groups in wisconsin so now he's like i don't know and like they're all just everyone's just like running away yeah they're floundering because they don't know what they don't know they i mean they know like they think like oh yeah like we're right we're against gay marriage because we all we always have been we always will be but the country generally and like most issues uh

at least these like the culture war stuff most people disagree with republicans on them yeah and abortion too yeah and like and any any like you know the the you think like oh the progress has been made there's gonna be a backlash it's gonna be a huge backlash um every single time throughout history that's just how it happens and uh it's a matter of they're they're just trying to gauge what they can say um so a lot of them have learned like, oh, we hedge it. I'm like, well, we should not. Marriage should be like between you and whoever. It's not the government's job.

Except for when we should ban it and not. Exactly. Yeah, of course. It's so hypocritical. I feel like this culture war bullshit has been going on. I mean, we've all grown up with it, but seen it obviously over the past many years intensifying. And I think that most conservatives didn't think they were actually going to do it. You know, and all of this.

Oh, you're being a snowflake bullshit about all of this because ultimately all of that's what it's about. Been about this whole time is this the removal of our rights and they're making fun of us for being like oh scared of it like no this is fucking happening and now they're seeing it and you know jonathan you included believe you included unless i just read it somewhere else but you know people on reddit like the the conservative reddit threads of people talking about this saying like whoa what the fuck why wouldn't uh the it was on the contraception bill contraception okay well we're good it's the same bucket of stuff it's like people can't believe that they're doing this nobody's going to agree with this well it's like i mean some people will but not enough right

it's it's the situation the situation that republicans are in now is in a lot of these issues is the dog catching the car right like well we've got what we thought we wanted but it turns out people don't like that yeah well it's actually literally against our constitution or the framing of america in terms of the separation of church and state. So if your fucking idea is that marriage or like your your conception of marriage is a religious thing, and now the religious people are going to take over and, you know, sorry, I'm not eloquent today, but you get my idea. It's just how they frame it. And they've been trying to talk around it a lot for a long time and and make these sort of like debate style like arguments for it but like that's it's the a lot of those arguments are just built on like well like if i can like logic my way into this with

like this statistic then i win as opposed to actually like making a salient argument or or something like that like even um there's a clip going around now about um dave rubin adopting not adopting children he's got a surrogate i think and expecting children soon and he was being interviewed by this guy and rubin he he's heavily influenced by jordan peterson's sort of way of arguing about this talking about like well ideal the ideal there's an ideal of like a man and a woman and that's the family unit and so on and so ruben's making this argument uh of like yeah i you know we always have there's an ideal socially for this and this and this but you know not everybody lives up to the ideal not every straight couple lives up to the ideal and this and this and this and then the person is like, so do you wish that your children turn out to be straight then?

If if there's this ideal that you that you have and you think society has and we have for for people, do you then wish that your children live up to that ideal? Do you want them to not be gay? And he like couldn't handle it. And he like couldn't handle it. Like he couldn't really grasp how to deal with that question because the argument that he's been putting forth is from a religious conservative, Jordan Peterson, based on all this other stuff. And he's trying to like be a part of the team and and live in this conservative world. But he's gay and they just don't they don't agree with him his existence right and so it's it was the first time i think i've seen anybody like to his face be like okay but like this worldview that you're reporting it's in direct conflict with like who you are and who you literally want to live um and

he like couldn't really answer like well there's unbelievable it's an unbelievable quote he's like you know sure yeah if um if you know if i both the kids if they uh both try not to be straight that's fantastic if one of them's gay that's fine too and it's like oh god oh god that's fine too it's like the way he has to talk about this and the self-loathing. The self-loathing. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of people sort of like realizing what's actually been going on.

It's not like, oh, I'm making this argument about government and the role of the state and all this stuff. No, no, no, no, no. They're largely bigots and they don't agree with your, your lifestyle or, or however they want to phrase it. Um, and you'll be one of the first people they turn on if they get the power to do anything about it, which we're seeing now because they don't want you to be able to get married. Oh, oh,

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This Joe Rogan clip. Yeah, this was this is another clip that I think is very interesting in a few different ways. Yeah. About this topic. It's not just abortion rights, but now they're going after gay marriage, too, which is so strange to me. Not strange. It's not strange at all. This is what what do you mean?

How short is your memory? Oh, no. I just wanted to point out that it's not actually strange. They're doing this. He's had he's had he's had shapiro and like peterson on his podcast they've talked he's he talks to people to their face about this kind of stuff it's not surprising to be concerned about and then some other uh senator who was a gay woman confronted him and she was furious at it because a gay marriage is not silly it's marriage it's marriage from people

that are homosexual and it's for them it's important they want it they want it they want to affirm their love and their relationship and the fact that they're going after that now almost makes me feel like they want us to fight they want to divide us in the best way they can so here's the thing about this clip that was the most interesting to me first of all using the word feel that's not very fact of you but he and his guest uh comedian um whose name escapes me right now sorry uh but he like is agreeing in like a very like physical like gesture like yeah it's because they want to divide us and i just think that's such a an interesting way to frame it because like there are there are things that politicians do to keep us divided people in power they yeah they want us fighting and stuff because they do they do there are things that they don't want us to know about or don't want to notice and that is true but they

just don't want gay people to be married like it's so it's such a very simple like why is why are they against gay marriage because they always have been and it's a largely religious uh party and they know that their base doesn't want people to get married if they are gay again he's had people on this podcast talk about that how they think it's yeah sinful behavior and i don't want all this kind of stuff. So it's just it's the answer is right in front of him. But to to be like this sort of like a philosopher, like it seems like they're trying to divide us by no, no, no. They just don't want it to happen.

I think it's lazy. It feels like something your stone friend says at a college party. Man, they just want to divide us us why do they want to divide us what are you talking about like like that's not the reason people do things you know like there's a well there's also like there's the effect of something can be yeah we're more divided now on this issue but the purpose doesn't necessarily have to be to have that effect if you have a party that has that's what i mean is largely conservative and religious conservative and christian and they think that america's a christian nation and they just don't want gay people to get married that That will divide people. It will divide the nation.

But it's not why it's happening. That's what I mean by lazy. He's like, because once you start to touch all of that stuff underneath, you start to see that it's kind of insidious and evil. And actually, again, the antithesis of what the country is supposed to be, which is having a religious party dictate the choices of everybody else. Minority party. they're doing this because it's like they a minority party but literally religion the separation of church and state yeah and they're doing it because like a portion of their voters that they're the most afraid of because the ones that will primary them want this but yeah the ones that they want in the general

election largely don't what are the 71 percent of the countries and is fine with same-sex marriage so they are just spineless and afraid of because the vast majority of them personally don't care like we know that yeah but they know what they're supposed to say they know what they need to say in order to stay in power and it's not just this vague idea of like well politicians love dividing americans it's like well yeah it comes from a place though it's not just this vague idea of like well politicians love dividing americans it's like well yeah it comes from a place though it's in the best way they can and that like that this is the best way for them to keep pulling off all the bullshit they're doing behind the scenes is to get us to fight over things like gay marriage or get us to fight over things like

abortion or it's just like why why are you removing freedoms yes and you know and then this new thing where they're you know gun rights like trying to go after the second amendment you know it's again it's this sort of like lack of thoughtfulness from him about these sort of things like like gay marriage and abortion these things it's again they come from like a very specific place the gun stuff isn't it's because people keep shooting everybody in public spaces and like it's like a very there's a very clear line of like oh yeah this things happen happens all the time now what and this is a big factor in it it's such a weird comparison of those things like it's not like like democrats haven't for like hundreds of years been like we got to get rid of the guns and stuff

like it's a very it's a thing i'm i'm losing my train of thought it's just such a bizarre like connection to make um as if there aren't these events happening regularly that cause people to say maybe we should do something about guns well is he referring to the republicans who voted in favor of the gun compromise when he says they well they were going they're going after gay marriage but now they're going after guns no those days are two two different groups yes they are he's he's he's again he's doing this thing where he's like conflating every party and like again like they're similar parties in a lot of ways but there are differences and he's saying that much like republicans going after gay marriage

democrats go after guns and it's to divide people democrats aren't going after guns to divide people it's again it comes like it's it it is it is weirdly like a an apt analogy because no no no much like how republicans going after gay marriage comes from a real place not as like this insidious plan to like divide people so the democrats going after guns or however you want to frame it comes from a real place and real events going on. Right. Like these things are happening. And again, the effect might be it divides people, but that's because people are divided on these issues. And it's just, I don't know, it's just a silly way to think about this. If you're going to say that marriage is an important cultural institution to the fabric of America, you can't remove it from Americans.

You can't go and say, this is important. This is what we do. We create a family and we love one another and we express our love and then say, ah, these Americans can't do that shit. It's so homophobic because you're saying there's something wrong with being homosexual. Yes, it is. Exactly, Joe. By saying that you are opposed to gay marriage marriage you're saying you're opposed to gay people yes because if gay people are in love with each other and they want to have a celebration

and they want to be bonded and connected it's just like he like it's that like constantly he's like he's so close yeah it's because they're homophobic and they don't like gay people it's not so they can divide people and get their paycheck no no it's because they're homophobic it's so confusing that the non-homophobes would do this homophobic thing i don't understand where it's coming from they love freedom for every single person and yet not for gay people what well what see like look this is what i mean when i say i don't think he's that dumb i don't think that he's missing the fucking point I don't think he's man enough to say it flat out because he knows that that's half of his audience so when

I say he's I you know like he's a smart person he's not just in like to me it's deeper than that like do you know what I yeah I don't know because what we're saying right now i think i mean maybe i don't know but like but because i think like what we were saying like he's not he doesn't he's not like an ideologue but he also like no but he likes to make money well but his like he kind of is in that it's like well everybody's the same and like right and wrong he's making money he's making money but i do think there's a there's a bit of this like south parky like all politicians are gonna lie and divide that's like what they do so if you're starting with that as your baseline you're gonna have to see how the things they're doing fit into that. And while, you know, I kind of agree that politicians get into it for their personal benefit,

but there are like once they're in there, there are some there are people, Democrats and Republicans and everyone who are doing what they what they believe in. Independence from Vermont yeah independence from like I wholeheartedly believe that Republicans are doing things that they think are right and the things they think are right are just horrible for most people yeah and in between that then it gets textured by oh I got to stay in office so do I come out for or against this right but like I think Joe Rogan is just starting from this place where they're going in like well how do i divide people right that's not like the primary goal that you want as many people as possible to vote for them that's the primary goal does that make sense well yeah and

yeah i think it's i just go always go back and forth on him because again it's like it's some of it is based off like who's just in the room with him at the time and i i think yeah it just comes from like it's it's he's got that he's got this like viewpoint that he's filtering things through and he's not as thoughtful necessarily on this because he also wants to i think to believe that like his friends aren't bigots or like people his friends are on the on the show that support x politician or y politician aren't actually bigots or hate gay people but he literally just said that that's what they're doing so maybe that's the case joe uh yeah maybe it's not about money but i agree with the things you're saying by the way i just think if he came out and said like what we're saying i don't think it would hurt his bottom line at all or like he would still have this deal he would still be popular it's not gonna he also like does what

multiple three four hour episodes a week and it's always served him very well to just say what he's thinking at any minute so that's why he's not qualifying things as much as other people would no you guys are right i'm not disagreeing with you he really I know but it's like he really confuses me I think he's just been served so well doing what he does yeah doesn't make sense to him to change it and there's all sorts of benefits to that in terms of financial benefits not only that like if your loved one is in jail or not in jail Well, then on trial you can't or I was gonna say in in a hospital always right you have access to them You have access to them and you're the only one that's access to them because you're their spouse You you're the one who has power of attorney if they're you know incapacitated like this like yeah

There's a lot to like affirming that relationship and the fact that they're going after that now, that's the kind of shit that keeps me from being a Republican. It's so... He's just a fascinating specimen. Because, Jonathan, as you point out, what he's basically saying is, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially liberal. That's the Democratic Party.

You're comfortable over here. You are represented. Maybe they're just not very good at saying that that's what their umbrella is yeah well because they don't they can't right they don't want to have to admit that but it's just uh yeah it's interesting that like that's the thing if they weren't doing that because also like it's like yeah if they weren't gonna have to agree marriage but like all the trans stuff he seems to be okay with oh he likes that stuff yeah like the the like the the republican viewpoint of that um he seems to agree with so like he just can't pick and choose that much unless again unless you know uh we want to start supporting the forward party did they have did they put out a platform yet there's a the Reuters article about it is so funny to me because there's a...

Former Republicans and Democrats form new third US political party. I've literally read nothing about it, so you can inform me. I found it. This is my favorite sentence from the article from Reuters. The party, which is centrist, has no specific policies yet. Oh my god! That is so funny.

This quote is great. It will say at its Thursday launch, how will we solve the big issues facing America? Not left, not right, forward. And it also doesn't say what it believes those big issues are. are no it does not so we'll see it's i do believe that he's done this because his tweets his twitter is so it's

very funny i love it it's a platitude it's a platform of platitudes but that's what this is we are neither left or right but forward i love it Every tweet of his is like, I just talked to a doctor and he said, what's going on in America? It's so beautiful. He should pivot to Hallmark cards. Yeah. You know? I had a great conversation with two small business owners today, and they are just, what is up with that? Yeah, that's the point.

I said a minute ago that he doesn't say what the big issues are here are the pillars of the party's platform reinvigorate a fair flourishing economy and give americans more choices in elections more confidence in a government that works and more say in our future so the first one is vague economy stuff we don't really know what that's going to be and to give americans more choices elections which is we're here literally like the function of like it's like yeah so our platform is that we exist oh my god that's so we are a party um but maybe you know it's it is thursday we're recording this on thursday and maybe at the launch they got a little more specific than our platform is that we are a third party yeah andrew yang christine todd whit. Who else we got in here?

They want to see who they get. They're not going to exclude anybody. So they're waiting to see who they get. Well, something to note. Interestingly, from what I can tell, Yang seems to be pretty much the only Democrat in this situation.

It's all like former Republicans and him. Like what? Miles Taylor, a former homeland security official and trump's administration like all the like it's just like a bunch of former republicans and andrew yang it seems maybe that'll change if they do a platform but i mean if if because universal basic income is and maybe i'm misremembering but that appeared to be the big the only thing stand out as a candidate like that's what he was for and it's like okay i don't know if this is the

the best way to address income inequality but it's a way like that's an idea well and i don't like i don't know if that's like yeah if it's gonna actually be able to be implemented but like yeah to that idea but i don't think these republicans in in the forward party are gonna be down with ubi it is not mentioned in the announcement yeah it's just like one it's funny because like that was his thing it's literally just like no in order to do in order to like we need ubi yeah okay that yang gang's gotta be thing... Maybe not. Maybe they're along for the ride. Maybe. It's interesting, too, because I think that... And we'll see, again, what they plan on actually doing.

But third-party stuff tends to be, we're doing a third party, it's these group of people, and we're going to support this person for the presidential election. It's not like, yeah, we're going to have these forward-party candidates in these local elections, or we're going to try to get in Congress. We're going to try to do this and this and this to like build like a base of like an actual political party that has ideas that wants to implement them and like wants to write bills and stuff. It's always it's it's you've got a third option for the president. And that's like not necessarily the best way to like make your

political party viable or or or like effective it's not it's gonna be a joke i'm the whole thing this is the most embarrassing way opposite of what anybody needs sorry jonathan what were you gonna say no they i'm just on their website right now, and I'm on their platform page, and it doesn't have much, but the stuff it has, I'm like, if they can go all in on ranked choice voting and just make that happen, okay, make ranked choice voting happen.

Got something. Right. It has ranked choice voting, nonpartisan primaries, independent redistricting commissions. So it's a lot about elections. It does not talk about preserving elections, so they still work in a couple years.

Right. That's the thing like it's like those are all good i feel like the democratic party wants to do those things too um but like i don't know it's it's tough because we do need more than two of the one party that exists yeah but we need to do it right well right that's that's sort of what i'm yeah getting at is like this is a necessity for democracy to have more than two fucking parties yeah but if it's just every four years we got a guy who wants to be the president and we're going to put a new party name under it then like that's not what we're talking about you need a robust like a robust party system uh so that you can have a congress full of people who want to get things done and have specific ideas and aren't funneled into these two opposing sides that do

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