THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.177 - LAZY SUSAN

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

Adam talks with British comedy duo Lazy Susan, (Celeste Dring and Freya Parker).Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and Becca Bryers for additional editing.Podcast artwork by Helen GreenRELATED LINKSLAZY SUSAN SKETCH SHOW - 2022 (BBC IPLAYER)LAZY SUSAN YOUTUBE CHANNEL LAZY SUSAN - THE EAST COAST LISTENING POST (THIS AMERICAN LIFE SPOOF) - (RADIO 4)CELESTE DRING AND ELLIE WHITE AS PRINCESSES EUGENIE AND BEATRICE ON THE WINDSORS - (YOUTUBE)NEWMAN AND BADDIEL ON THE ROAD TO WEMBLEY - 1993 (YOUTUBE)TRAVELLING WILBURYS DOC - 1988 (YOUTUBE)MR DEMILLE FM - BRIAN ENO INTERVIEW - 2018 (LINK ON ELECTRONIC BEATS WEBSITE) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening I took my microphone and found some human folk Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Hey, how are you doing, podcats? I'm Adam Buxton, and I'm very glad to be with you for another podcast.

It's a very nice evening out here in the Norfolk countryside. What are we looking at? We're still looking at the beginning of May, I would say. Early May, how about that? 2022. We've got some impressive clouds that I'm looking at. It's a little windy, but it's nice and mild. So that's good.

There you are, that's the weather situation in the past in Norfolk. Excuse me, got some throat clearing issues. I think there's probably a couple of reasons for that. Nothing too sinister, I'm hoping. Reason one, hay fever. Always forget that I suffer from it not too badly but I do get it and the other reason for throat clag is that I just had a selection of mini eggs chocolate mini eggs that I found in my wife's office. If you know my wife, please don't tell

her because she will genuinely be a bit annoyed. And I do feel slightly embarrassed about it because I'm a grown man. I don't know if you know. And I'm supposed to have self-control. But I was thinking, oh, it would have been so nice to have a chocolate egg. But I was thinking, oh, it would have been so nice to have a chocolate egg. I bet there's some left over from Easter, I was thinking. And I bet my wife has stashed them in her office, in that bureau of hers. So I flipped down the top of the bureau while she was out. And sure enough, there was the egg stash. It was a great time and i had um i think

five but it's playing havoc with my hay fevery throat can't just have chocolate eggs and not expect consequences in this day and age anyway listen let listen. Let's get on. Ooh, there's a nice warm wind coming at me. I hope you're well, by the way. All good here. Apart from minor throat clag. Rosie's doing well. She's up ahead. Bouncing.

So let me tell you a little bit about podcast episode number 177. Buxton checks notes on phone. This episode features a rambling conversation with British comedy, acting and writing duo Freya Parker and Celeste Dring, also known as comedy duo Lazy Susan. Here's a few brief Susan facts for you. Freya, who grew up in the north of England, and Celeste, who's from the West Midlands, met after leaving university and beginning to pursue acting careers in the early 2010s. By 2014, they were performing character-based comedy together

as Lazy Susan and were nominated for a Best Newcomer Award at the Edinburgh Fringe. Further well-received Edinburgh shows followed over the years, as did mainly comedic acting roles in a variety of TV shows, and more recently, feature films. The pair made their first comedy radio show, The East Coast Listening Post, for Radio 4 in 2018. And the following year, they made a pilot for a Lazy

Susan TV sketch show on BBC3 that included characters from their live shows. A further four episodes were commissioned, and they aired earlier this year, 2022. They can still be viewed on the BBC iPlayer, and you'll find a link in the description of this podcast. My conversation with Freya and Celeste was recorded face-to-face back in February of this year in London. It was the first time I had met them, and I started by addressing the slight creepiness of recording the podcast in the small hotel room I was staying in at the time. By the way, because I don't think I made it clear in our conversation who was who, Celeste is panned to the middle, if you're listening on headphones. Freya is moreover to the right.

Freya's on the right. Celeste is in the middle. Buckles is on the left. I'll be back at the end for a very brief goodbye. But right now, with Freya and Celeste of Lazy Susan, here we go. Ramble chat, let's have a ramble chat. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that.

Come on, let's tune the bat and have a ramble chat. Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la Now, I'm going to set the scene. We are sat in a hotel room in the Barbican area of London town. I looked on a website and saw this room and it looked much bigger. And it's got a little kitchenette area and a table where we are sat around a small countertop. But in the picture, it looked really spacious and spacious enough that I thought, well, it won't be that creepy to invite two women I've never met before to record a podcast. Yeah. It'll be fine.

Sure, they're in their 30s. I'm in my 50s. We've never met. But it shouldn't be a problem. And then, of course, as soon as you arrived, I thought maybe it is a problem. And it's a bit weird because it's already weird, you know, meeting someone you've never met before and sitting down and recording a long form conversation. Yeah. But then if you do it in a hotel room.

Yeah. And there's a bed. The bed's prominent. I'll say that. It's prominent. It's dominant. It's a truly a bedroom. Yeah.

I haven't slept in it, though. That's one thing. Yeah. If it was unmade, I'd be like, Celeste, I think we should get out of here. Yeah. The safety word is, let's get out of here. If it was unmade and I was in my pants. Yeah.

What's the creepiest interview you've ever done? Oh, great question. I don't know if I've done a creepy interview. I would say we've definitely done our time with creeps oh for sure didn't we did an interview in the back of a van like in our first Edinburgh like 2014

thank you so much for the opportunity we'll get in your van you're a dental student but you also write your reviews that's completely legit thank you for the opportunity dental student I'm Dennis and I'm a dental student with a passion for theatre That's completely legit. Thank you for the opportunity. Yeah, thank you so much. Dental student. I'm Dennis and I'm a dental student with a passion for theatre.

And a passion for women's teeth, which I collect. I would say it's definitely a thing of like women in comedy. You get obviously weird male fans that only go and watch women comedians. But in terms of interviews, no. It's been up until now. I have been immersing myself in your work. I was tipped off a couple of years ago, actually, by my brother, who often tips me off to good things. And he'd seen your pilot on BBC Three.

Yeah. 2019, right? Yes, yeah, ages ago. Previous to that, you had been on Radio 4, which I didn't realise as well, with a show that is so up my street. Oh. It's ridiculous.

And in fact, I've done similar things as kind of adverts for this podcast. Yours was called The East coast listening post and it is superficially a spoof of all things this american life right yeah kind of npr american podcasting yeah a certain style it is like a spoof but it is also a bit of a love letter yeah we always used to say it's a love letter because you listen to it it's just such it's such a thing isn't it it's such a niche i think there's always a lot of flattery in parodies because you've paid close attention to it. So there's obviously, you like it on some level. Who does the voice for the...

This show is brought to you by... That's me. That's you, yeah. With the sort of... Oh, God. You're freaking the voice. It's like you're swallowing your own voice. I think they've had that same guy.

It's a bit like comic book guy or some Simpsons guy. Yeah, yeah, totally. But I think they've had that same guy doing this show as Brought to You By. Yeah. He still does it, doesn't he? Yeah, stuff in your throat. And what was some of your things? We did a thing called Hydrate Me,

which is like a hat that vibrates every time you need to drink some water. When you get to a point and you can't go on anymore. Yeah. Vibrate me as you're back. Yeah. And it basically was like, it comes in a range of colors, including lime green and brown. Tell me what the premise of the show was for people who haven't heard it.

It was after like Serial came out, the podcast Serial, which is obviously massive. And it was the first time people met Sarah Keenick who had this like kind of like well you know it was like vocal fry and very earnest kind of journalism but yeah it was like that but the concept was like two American sisters who come over to England and come over to the UK to look at British culture they're anglophiles basically so each episode focuses on a different aspect of british culture so the first episode is old money like grey gardens kind of rich people that can't afford to live in their

big mansions anymore and we had one about um that where tim key played a guy who was mr splat which was a euphemism for mr blobby stuff like that just like weird things about british culture and we do one each episode and up to that point you'd been doing sketch stuff live mainly right going to edinburgh and that kind of thing yes having met in 2012 yeah yeah and how did that come about um it's actually a very boring story we're always like we should spice this story up because it's so plain like we met in rehab like it was crazy there was just a vibe like in la or somewhere you know doing a jam session yeah i was tattooing her and we were like wait what is your name and do you want to do sketch comedy yeah yeah right um no we met through a mutual friend. I was doing a play, like a fringe play in London.

Very hard-hitting little drama, thank you. What was it about? Was it called Skinhead? Yes. It was called Skinhead? Yes. I played, I don't know if I played a teen, but certainly a frustrated young adult

whose mum obviously had the cancer. And get this, dad's not on the scene. Oh. Obviously, yeah. Fucking men and then she mom gets a young boyfriend is he the skinhead no the skinhead plot twist is mom because she's got the cancer oh yeah yeah yeah yeah this isn't pulling any punches this thing no no no no not to cry in it oh big it was a big role i don't know actually why I'm shitting on it because I've got so much work out of that.

Weirdly, so like I always think if I hadn't have done that job, I wouldn't have met Ed who was the assistant director because we were talking about writing one night and he was like, oh, well, I'm writing with a friend of mine. We should all meet and I think you two would get on and then introduce me to Celeste. And then we did get on and then we sort of started making work together. So I took it all back.

Great little job. Yeah. And then we started writing. And then it was bad, wasn't it? Bad, bad theatre. Yeah, inexcusable, actually. What were you writing? Was it funny stuff immediately?

No. Or you were doing serious stuff, were you? So we were doing... Oh, no. Because you both wanted to act originally, right? I mean, you do act still. But that was your main ambition. I did sort of want to act. But I more you you do act still but that was your main ambition I did sort

of want to act but I more wanted to just make stuff and hopefully acting would come out of it it wasn't my burning desire to like audition for Holby City or like be in dramas and stuff but I just wanted to make work and I didn't really know how to go about it and I suppose comedy live comedy especially felt not accessible but like a bit of a meritocracy. Like if you just kept going and had enough resilience to handle bombing and then go back, that you would eventually carve a bit of a path. As opposed to like acting looked like a bit of a lottery to me or a bit of like, you know, one in a million. I felt like, you know, you up your chances if you make your own stuff yes and acting is dependent on so many other superficial things that you have no control over yeah and it feels like comedy you can be a bit weird or you don't

have to look perfect particularly as a woman at that time I feel like things are changing now but there was still a particular obsession with a certain kind of very thin well-spoken beautiful sort of woman and I kind of thought my you're describing my wife not again yeah so I think comedy seemed like more open to if you're if you feel slightly alternative and I guess my best hope and still is of like doing interesting jobs as like a character actor and trying to do like stuff like that rather than try and, yeah, hit the mainstream in that way. Same with me. And that's why I'm not more successful with a very much. I've chosen.

Yeah. To stay alternative. Totally. God, yeah. For me, it's a choice. I turned down the crown. Did you? Yeah.

Liz. So give it to Olivia. Yeah. Instead, you were in the Windsors, though. Yes, yeah. Good gig. That's another clip that I saw that made me really laugh. You and Ellie White.

Yes, yeah. Friend of the podcast. Ah. And you are playing Princess Eugenics. Yeah, yeah. Well, the S is silent, but yes. Eugenie? Yeah.

What kind of a name is Eugenie anyway? I don't know. I mean, it is almost Eugenics, isn't it? Is it French? I'm going to Google the shit out of this. I've never heard it anywhere else, apart from at the palace. I've got to sign in to the hotel. Happy to wait.

An email. Dr. Buckles at coolguy.biz. Shazam nice i declare that i have understood the general terms of use and i would like to receive daily emails from the hotel for the rest of time can they do hourly that would be what does the name eugenie mean eugenie how are you saying it eugenie eugenie i thought it was eugenie eugenie french female form of eugene okay which is from which is from the greek name eugenios which means good well and genes meaning born so well born well born yeah yeah i mean story checks out isn't it yeah story checks out yeah so so princess eugenie was well-born depending on your perspective and your definition of well and you do a spectacular posh accent for her thank you how did that happen okay so the voice is kind of like that so you kind of linger

on the ends of words and like go up at the end is like a thing that yeah kind of posh girls do but yeah i it's funny because when they were first auditioning for it the beatrice part was well spoken and posh and for a joke they'd written the Eugenie part as Cockney. Okay. So it was all written like she was from EastEnders. And they cast me having done that. And then as we were rehearsing and going into the first set, they changed their minds and they were like,

oh, we want it to be actually, we want you to be, to match. But yeah, I honestly just nabbed it from maiden chelsea okay and that's how they all talk on there here's a little clip and this is beatrice and eugenie become social media influencers yeah sounds about right we're only just in the top 10 now i don't think we're ever going to get back on the sovereign grant but who needs it we're both going to be married now besides we're gonna be online influencers dean thanksy all the zappy brands have turned us down apple nick wh smiths they're all saying the same thing we're just not popular enough oh dear we could end up like princess margaret's children not even characters on the ground that is amazing that there must have been

quite a bit of laughing on that set wasn't there yeah yeah it's a good question isn't it yeah um yeah i mean not as much as you would think no we didn't uh even make eye contact with each other um me and ellie um separate cars um no but it was it very, because it's classic like UK comedy, which means there's no budget. It's like two takes and you're done. So actually everyone's just trying not to mess it up. And there's no improv really, which we were always desperate to do.

But I really thought everyone on it was so funny. I mean, like Katie Wicks is so fun. I used to crack up all the time, anything she was doing, she was always so funny. But yeah, so it was good fun, but it's so time pressured that you can really uh relax and you've got a somewhat parallel career path to ellie and tash dimitriou as well yeah yeah they've got a show sketch show coming out we've actually never all been seen in the same room yeah and is that a friendly arrangement

or is there some rivalry there that you'd like to admit to on enemies for sure me and ellie are obviously close because we did wins us together and then tash we've obviously met we don't know as well but no i don't feel any sort of like the bbc commission both our shows you know there's overlap in the sense that we're white women of a certain age sort of vaguely middle class whatever. You worry maybe our material's going to come out quite similar because we're always saying some of the same things. But I actually think we're so different that, yeah, it doesn't matter. You don't send scripts over to each other and say,

look, we've bagged this. We've shotgunned this. We've got our show out first, so we don't have to worry. Yes. Yes. Yours is out as of just a few weeks ago, right? Yes. And the name of the show is? It of just a few weeks ago, right? Yes. And the name of the show is?

It's Lazy Susan. It's Lazy Susan. But just Lazy Susan. Yeah, no, it's. Oh. But I regret that now. Yeah, it could have been It's Lazy Susan. Yeah, that would have been a great series two.

But yeah, it's simply Lazy Susan. Are you free to record the? Absolutely. I'll be very upset if you don't ask me to be in it. There's lots of big comedians in there. I mean, they're younger than I am and funnier, but still, come on. Yeah, you're in. We'll sort it out. yeah said ah you know when when it was still relatively obscure as a show hadn't blown up and gone overground yet he said oh i like your show you know me and joe were doing the adam and joe show at the time yeah or had just been doing it but i was like oh cool well maybe i could uh

you could put me in the office i could do a little part he's like no way okay no way no way because he his point which was absolutely right was that i wasn't an actor you know i wasn't hadn't really done much acting so it would just be weird to have the guy from the adam and joe show suddenly he's working in the office now doing a part but you gotta start somewhere yeah so you gotta sugar the pill don't laugh don't laugh like that gervais doesn't sugar the pill. Don't laugh. Don't laugh like that. Gervais doesn't sugar any pills. No, no. Have you seen the Golden Globes? Yes, I have, yeah. No sugary pills there.

Yeah. Do you think, you know the clip of him at the Golden Globes and then they cut to Tom Hanks looking appalled at one of the risque Gervais cracks. So the joke was, if you win an award, thank your agent, thank God, and then fuck off. Cut to Tom Hanks cringing. Yeah.

In a disapproving way. I think it's because he mentioned he dropped the G, the G-bomb. Americans love God. They do love God. Not that we don't. Hey, great guy. Wasn't Gervais, this is vague in my recollectionection but wasn't he saying don't say anything political so don't talk about yes yes that that was also part so i think if hanks is kind of a good guy

he might be like saying you know don't advocate for not writing wrongs or whatever okay do you think hanks really is a good guy if he goes i don't know where well i can't he's got to he's got yeah i don't want to know if he's done and i just you mean if he's unmasked as yeah yeah just just don't tell me if for whatever reason something emerges probably from the dark web let's face it yeah about hanks yeah yeah i feel like something will crumble in time and space we're hanging by a thread as it is yeah i really will feel like nothing i can't twist anything yeah he seems like such a good guy like when he got covered i was like please don't yes please don't die please don't you and your nice normal marriage wife yeah yeah yeah although he does have an awol son and i'm not saying that oh i love reflects

badly on hanks but you're like but that's the only option available to tom hanks's son isn't it because all children have to sort of define themselves in opposition to their parents somewhat yeah he's got like a good and good and evil son hasn't he because he's got another son who's just like a mini hanks isn't he yeah and he's an actor as well because he was in fargo wasn't he he's gotet, he's got Colin, and he's got Truman. Colin Hanks is a good one. Colin Hanks is the actor. Yeah. I think it's the name, isn't it?

Chet. Truman, 25, also in the film industry, albeit behind the cameras. That's a way to go. If I was a Hanks kid, I would excel, but behind the camera. Yeah. Don't compete with Dad. Don't humiliate yourself. Don't say it out loud.

Yeah, yeah. Colin Hanks, he's quite recognizable now that i see him he's in a lot of looks like he looks a bit like tom hanks but he looks like a sort of slightly etiolated grumpier tom hanks band of brothers he was in he's in band of brothers right at the end isn't he everyone's in band of brothers though simon peg's in band of Brothers right at the end, isn't he? Everyone's in Band of Brothers, though. Simon Pegg's in Band of Brothers. Is he? Yeah. There's a phrase now called a nepotism baby. Have you heard that? No, what's that? Someone... I mean, I can figure it out. Yeah, well,

we'll give you a minute. Someone was talking about Judd Apatow's daughter being in Euphoria, and someone was like, oh my god, I just found out that, like, she's a nepotism baby. Like, what the fuck? I think it's interesting some people keep their parents name and use it and some and leverage it and some people don't judy dench's

daughter has a different name i would actually crumble under the pressure i don't feel sorry for nepotism babies but i wouldn't like it being like you say in that kind of shadow where yeah i think i i think i'd go the chet hanks route i think i'd go you like to think you'd be colin but actually start rapping in an offensive yeah well because i'm from my dad's like what you would call working class done good and i already feel quite an enormous like pressure just from that of having so much more than he had stuff like that if that expanded into being like he's a really successful rich actor producer i think i would have just like shriveled to dust i don't think i would have liked it very weird i think to be the child of a very famous

person or a very even just a very talented person yeah yeah that Yeah. That's tough, man. I think that if you get really famous, you shouldn't really be allowed to have children. What about that? Or you could just be made to give them away. That's fair. Yeah. And then they could, because the chances are that they've gotten good genes.

They've probably got a lot of talent of their own. Yeah. Even though maybe not quite as much as their parents. Yeah. But still a fair bit of talent of their own yeah even though maybe not quite as much as their parents yeah but still a fair bit of talent yeah yeah so why not give them to another family that perhaps see how they do yeah nature nurture yeah i think it's a nice idea hey everybody in the modern time they got to get themselves a podcast i will do yours and you'll do mine. We're sorting out the problems of the world so fast.

Freya. Yes. You've got some good roles up your sleeve. Are you okay to chat about some of these? I'll chat. Jurassic World Dominion. Yeah. What are we looking at here?

So, imagine a world where myself yeah you know zed list sketch comic um stand-up extraordinaire ahisha and sketched up like the pin oh yeah get an email from the director of jurassic park uh colin who's lovely guy. And he asks in a very casual way, do you want to come and be in my dinosaur movie? Is he a Brit, the director? No, he's American, but he lives over here. Okay. And we were obviously all like,

like, yeah, like, obviously we'll do that. So can I ask you at this point, was there no hesitation whatsoever, given that some of the Jurassic Park films are less good than others? Hey, whoa. No, there was literally zero hesitation. I grew up watching them.

And this is like the last one that he'll do. So it basically brings all the old characters from the original come back, so you're Jeff, you're Dern. They're all back. Whoa. But we all basically, because it was like, when did I do it? Was it 2020 yeah we all had to quarantine in this really posh hotel near pinewood but they were all there

so jeff goldblum was there with like with his wife and his kids and he's like true hollywood like knows everybody's first and second name you say one little thing to him and he's kind of like, Hey, Freya Parker, how was your eggs yesterday? Or whatever, et cetera. Oh, Freya Parker. Oh, Freya Parker. Wonderful. Wonderful. The whole thing was just like absolutely surreal. So this is all before you've even started shooting?

Before we even started shooting, it's mad. And then what's the part you played? So I played like an air traffic control person, obviously. And I worked for an evil dinosaur company. I think it's like Star Wars the plot is like very similar every time but we'd be sat there, be sat next to Aya and Alex and every so often someone would go like

we're fucking doing Jurassic Park and then we'd all be like I know I can't fucking believe it and then there'd always be someone, there'd be like a break and then there'd always be someone just whistling the theme tune. Yeah. It felt like everybody who was working on it was like a fan.

It was just fucking cool. Hard one to whistle though, isn't it? Yeah, maybe not. Did you steal anything from the set? No, but we got gifted something that I was about to steal, so I was really glad that I didn't do it. And he was like, oh, where's the... Embryos.

Where's the egg? No, we got gifted little origami dinosaurs on our desk. Oh, okay. And then they took us to see all the sort of puppets and the animatronic dinosaurs. Yeah, we were just full just nerds the whole time. And yeah, they're amazing. We saw like a raptor and stuff. We saw there's like a baby raptor.

Yeah. Very cute. Did you cry? they're amazing we saw like a raptor and stuff we saw there's like a baby raptor yeah very cute did you cry i didn't cry but i do do cry a lot do you cry at commercials oh god i cried commercials i cried once telling someone about the first time i saw um river dance on youtube i'm tearing up right now literally describing it it's so stupid I've got things like that as well what is it

is it the ensemble feeling well Riverdance it's the spectacle it's the surprise it's the fact that it's better than anything else that's on that night at the Eurovision Song Contest

yeah it's like Ireland going like oh my god jing jing jing jing money forever oh I just love it and the music love it love it what And the music. I love it.

What makes you emotional, Celeste? Just the normal things, you know. That's what a robot would say. Just the normal human stuff. Now I'm segueing to, in a way it's kind of a spoiler, but your radio DJ characters. Yeah. Who, spoiler, turn out to be robots. Yeah. This is on your sketch show. And they work for a radio station called Buzz Midlands. And you play Ricky and Nikki.

And on one of the sketches, you discuss things you thought were true until you were really quite old. Now, I think that me and Joee when we were on the radio did exactly that i'm so sorry and i think some of the other things like some of the answers you got on that sketch dean from lester thought ponies were just baby horses i think i had a conversation with joe about exactly that at some point that is a genuine confession for me until really recently yeah same here because i yeah did you feel judged yes uh yes i did when i was watching the sketch you mean or when i found out baby horses both both yes yes to both yes to both i did think like shit this is uncomfortably close to what me and joe used to do all the time on Six Music.

Oh, shit. But we weren't... Well, it made me want to ask you if there was a show you... What the fuck we're playing at? Oh, OK. All right. Is it personal? Yeah. Also, you had another one, which was, what are your favourite British puds? Favourite British puds.

I thought, that is a good... We would have definitely used that one on the radio show. What kind of shows are you thinking of? Capital. Yeah, it's Capital. That was very quick. Yeah. Is that Roman Kemp on there?

Yeah, sorry to Roman Kemp because I'm sure he's... Lovely guy. Lovely guy. I'm very good at his job. Yeah, it's a hard job, early mornings. I think this is the thing, is you kind of have to like, if you're doing sketches, you sort of have to shit on people that you're like, you seem nice. And I don't hate what you do.

I think we were just trying to do something with as little as possible and i know what you mean because they are slightly adjacent a capital radio dj being like what are your favorite british puts and then you know you enjoy doing that but i think the flights are fancy the detail that you guys would have it would have still been like you know we did way better yeah yeah exactly um and general kind of regional radio where they just have to be really chipper relentlessly chipper with so little um it's a perennial enjoyable target for comedians and just as much noise and distraction as possible i feel like radio should have died and it hasn't in the content heavy world that we live in it shouldn't have really made it and i think it's interesting that it does try to compete and it's literally like so noise noise here i am chatting

about this cut to this jingle now we've got a bit of a song now we're here so it's like just describing adams still describing yeah joe on six music yeah should we go to a jingle you love those I do and I do love radio as well though I think that the reason it endures is that well I suppose if you look at it from a negative point of view you could say that it's just kind of noise that's designed to paper over any kind of awkwardness or silence it's just sort of background noise to stop you from actually thinking. But on the other hand, it can be very, very good and very intimate. And it is very much that, you know, obviously the forerunner of the podcast medium. But the other day I was in the doctor's waiting room, waiting to have a blood test, nothing serious. But still,

you're always thinking, it might turn out to be serious and actually the babble of the breakfast dj was comforting yeah you know what i mean and i imagined like if there was no babble of breakfast dj running through inane messages followed up by a bit of james blunt and some Ed Sheeran, then the silence would just be oppressively grim. And I was grateful for the radio, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's company. And like you say, I think when it's done well, as you know, people like Greg Jenner, he's really good. Or like, what's that guy, the Welsh guy on radio one he's actually yeah is he a q yeah he's someone he's actually really funny and he's very good at picking an interesting like latching on

to interesting things and sort of expanding them just off the cuff on the fly he's you know um or you think it's something like scott mills been going forever lc yeah do you know that pete tong is like 61 is he and i listened to a show of his on radio one the other night and it was wall to wall bangers it was so current it was so good and i just googled pete tong pete tong 61 yeah but 61 isn't what 61 no no used to be i'll still shock though i'm nearly 61 yeah yeah and look at me i'm incredibly youth. And my finger is on the pulse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, too much in a way. Anyway, so I guess what I'm saying is,

can you just stop doing those sketches with the radio people? Is that real melody? Heavy's in my phone charger? I left it right there. Did you see it? Have you got it? Where's my charger gone? Where's my phone charger?

The battery's about to die. It was on the table. Round and round in their heads go the chord progressions, the empty lyrics and the impoverished fragments of tune. And boom goes the brain box. At the start of every bar. At the start of every bar. At the start of every bar. Boom goes the brain box. Celeste has described herself as a, quote,

fragile girl who can't handle it on social media. That's a quote from an interview. Fascinating. Yeah. I sympathize. I'm a fragile girl who can't handle it on social media as well. Yeah. Do you worry?

Want to start a support group? Yes, obviously I do cool talk me through how you feel about it because I sort of sensed and maybe I was projecting but I sensed a kind of apologetic explanation from you about that like oh I should be on social media but I'm not because I'm a bit fragile or something like that is that was I misreading that no do you know what I think it's just, as ever with interviews, it's hard to summarise your maybe conflicted feelings around something. So I think I just blurted that out and a couple of other things

and then that's the thing that made it in. I don't actually know. I'm definitely never going to be someone that photographs their meals or sticks on a selfie or something like that. But I do worry career-wise that I should be on a platform so that people can engage with what I'm doing more you are on a platform yeah you've got a tv show that's what I think so I'm kind of I think if that hadn't happened then maybe I would be like okay I'm gonna just think that ultimately, I know it sounds a bit cringy,

but it comes down to what feels authentic and right for you. And it is my way to be a bit more withheld. And I think, I mean, we've talked about this before that like my absolute dream would be to be like Daft Punk or something, have total anonymity and it just be the work. And I feel like we're in this place culturally where we really want to know the people that make the stuff I just think that's way more boring I think hearing me talk about myself and my own life is far more disappointing and uninteresting than watching something that we make or all the good stuff goes into the work so for me there's not a lot left for everything else but

you know wait till i'm trying to sell a book and we'll see well you can come back on the podcast i just think there's other options yeah and i don't i just genuinely don't believe that your career will suffer in a significant way because you're not on social media and i just think that and i just think i just think this i'm sorry but i do i just think this and it comes into my head and i'm thinking it and they're going to say if you keep it in that's actually healthy it's like a rupture your ass yeah but i do really think that like people should not feel that they need to be on social media for any reason whatsoever if you have any qualms about it don't be on it and you'll be fine you know and i always feel that i have to add the caveat like oh

it's fine for me to say that i've had an incredible glittering and successful career here i am with maybe the biggest podcast in the world bigger than joe rogan i think and so that's fine for me to say not everybody has that privilege but i do just think you'll be fine if you're not on it are you a lurker because i lurk which isn't good yes what you mean now that i'm not on it do i check it yeah oh no because i'm not even i cancelled my account and everything right so i can't even look i can look at individual tweets but if i want to look at the comments and things like that which is what used to take up a lot of my time you have to log in okay I think engaging with comments is something that I that actually in terms of being like a fragile girl like I actually

can't like you know there's a sketch in our show called sketch hotline and it's a sort of it's a spoof of like trolls and you know being a woman online and that accessibility that people feel that they can critique your work kind of like to your face. And there's a line in it where it's like, don't call us, don't DM us on Instagram, call our hotline and tell us personally, and that's the joke. But after the show came out, I got loads of men DMing me on Instagram

to critique the show, critique me. Praise me, weirdly. Yeah, a lot of praise for Celeste, actually. Yeah, I found that. It was me. I found that it was me i found that celeste has been just catfishing me on and off do you know that's the thing um they call it digital self-harm a lot of teens are doing it where they they set up fake accounts troll themselves what so people see it yeah and and sort of stick up for them it's called

digital self-harm that is so fucked up yeah wow i mean i think maybe the thought's gone through my head yeah but i've never done that what should i troll myself yeah or something you know like in a moment of madness yeah yeah i don't know i don't know that i ever actually got that well no it's the kind of thing that i might do because i my my skin is thin so i i thought well this this is daft i much as i would love to be robust and confident enough to go on there and take the slings and arrows and respond to sincere and constructive criticism as well as trolling you know i think you're just never gonna feel good though no like i engaged with someone on Instagram because he's really like missed just misunderstood something and I just I engaged and then I immediately was like oh god oh god like I

completely regretted it and then I was like oh god oh god I should have done that and then I just I just felt awful about it did you do it angrily no it wasn't angrily but he'd basically taken part of that sketch it was a bit bit where we're talking about people calling in and we're writing down what they're saying. And I don't know, one line is, you know, like, oh, go and fuck myself. Okay, I'll do that. And then it's like, as funny as AIDS.

Thank you, sir. And he just messaged me being like, AIDS isn't funny. And I was a bit like, oh, yeah, we know that. And then I just tried to engage with him and tried to sort of explain, like, this is satire. And also, like, that is kind of abating what people say to people. Yeah. And yeah, the weird thing is that in that moment, you were worried that this guy who can't understand quite a simple sketch was gonna think that you thought AIDS was funny. Yeah. I mean, why why why did i get i think i just i think i just it was so stupid i just couldn't let it go it's funny the troll thing it's like trolls were provocateurs they wanted to get a rise out of people they deliberately

posted stuff that they often didn't even believe yeah in the early days of comment sections it was an active thing like some people would be like yeah i'm a troll like it's something that i do it's like a style it's like a sort of a prank but it wasn't meaningful criticism right yeah the joke was they would just put any old bullshit that sounded like a bit of criticism and wait for people to take the bait yeah but then now the term has morphed into just any criticism is dismissed as trolling or trolling. Yeah. And it's not, you know, it's like there's a difference. Yeah.

Yeah, there's definitely a difference. For example, like the abuse that like Diane Abbott gets online is trolling. It's like it's vicious and it's untrue and it's focusing in directly on her. And it's whenever you see her name trending, I'm always like, god like that yeah yeah that poor woman trolling in my mind originally was more sort of playful albeit in a problematic way does it still kind of exist that version would you say would you say it's been entirely subsumed no i think so i think there are still people i think my impression of places like 4chan and then 8chan was that originally that's exclusively what happened there. Was people just going out and pushing people's buttons because they were bored.

They're agents of chaos, basically. Yeah. And they didn't genuinely believe a lot of this stuff. But then I think that has changed over the years. And I think that, you know, the kind of thing you're talking about with Diane Abbott or whatever, that's not trolling. That's just straightforward malicious. Bullying. Yeah.

Yeah. Horribleness. Anyway, you see, this is why God invented jingles. Jingle. Jingle break. It's a break from the podcast. In between the next bit and the little ones last. Every now and then you have to take a little rest.

Otherwise you're going to get tired and depressed. Take a look around. Think that you exist. Think about the person you last kissed. Right, that's enough now, think about trees, think about sausages, think about trees. Think of alien vehicles moving out in space, think about the wonder on the little baby's face. Now think of Stevie Wonder's face on the baby's face. Now stop thinking completely,

because you're ready for the next part of the podcast. Here it is. Now you are in the new film Wonka. Have you got a nice little bit of screen time there? Got some lines? I've got a couple of lines. It's a humble, small part. It's one of those projects where you,

I've only seen like a tiny bit of it and you feel like they go all over the world and there's so many different parts to it. And often you don't see the whole script. It's a bit like Jurassic Park. You never see the whole script. Yeah. Because especially me, I have to come on a podcast

and tell everybody the plot. It's not a remake, it's a prequel. Prequel. So it's how Willy Wonka comes to be a chocolatier yeah the bald Timmy we all wanted to know

yep and it's directed by Paul King who did the Boosh and who did the Paddington movies yeah written by Paul

and Simon Farnaby yep it's a killer team it's a killer team and it's really funny and it looks great it's like a proper yeah

it's just a proper big movie it's like big sets it's a musical and. And it's really funny. And it looks great. It's like a proper... Yeah. It's just a proper big movie. It's like big sets. It's a musical. And who's playing one car? Timothee Chalamet. Timothee. Timothee Chalamet. Did you get some Timothee time?

Only in the makeup truck. Good enough. Yeah, good enough. How was that? Did you marvel at his beautiful face? I mean, he's a beautiful little boy. He is. He's very fragile.

He's a very fragile little boy. You know, very nice, very professional and i it was like extremely early so i had to wear a wig and you know you have those like things that you pop on under your eyes to sort of de-puff your face oh so it'd be like six in the morning and they were like hey this is timothy and i was sort of like so he's a bit like oh sweet what is that kind of thing so i don't think I was particularly memorable for him. But no, it was like super cool. I'm quoting from the Oxford Mail, who wrote a short article about Wong Kar.

Mail spelled M-A-L-E. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just a guy I met in Oxford. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I call him the Oxford Mail. Reportedly, Tom Holland and Chalamet were two finalists for the role, but Spider-Man actor

Holland ultimately lost out to Chalamet. Sorry about that, Tom. Did you know that for The Matrix Keanu Reeves wasn't first choice? There's been an article about it recently. Was it James Corden? It was James Corden. I'm sure he was in a mix. No, who else was it?

Someone who was... So DiCaprio was offered it. Yeah. Turned it down. He turned it down because he didn't want to do another CGI thing after Titanic. We read the same article. Yeah, cool. And also Johnny Depp either turned it down or didn't get it.

I bet Tom Cruise wanted to do it. No. Well, I just made that up, but I bet it's true in a way. He would have been good. It's too sort of camp for Tom Cruise, though, I think. He couldn't have worn a leather jacket, could he? He couldn't have worn a long leather jacket, could he? No.

Anyway, Holland currently weeping. Yeah. Having lost out to beautiful Timothee Chalamet. Zendaya at his side, though, so. Oh, my God. Must be his favourite woman in the world. Oh, he's going out with Zendaya. Yeah side though so oh my god there must be someone in the world is he oh he's going out with zendaya yeah oh man so you know i'm not too worried about him they've just bought a house

have they yep oh what do they tell you on the whatsapp yeah yeah we were just um messaging just for coming here actually yeah yeah yeah welcome to celebrity chat podcast with me adam buxton do you feel confident in your ability to not get too competitive with each other because you're both talented actors and you're both doing separate projects exciting things here and there but yet you you come together for lazy susan would you call lazy susan your main gig i think it is now but yeah we wouldn't stoop to being competitive. But at the end, you do have to pick which one of us you think is the best. And if the listeners can vote, do some sort of vote as well.

Just to settle a little bit. That'd be fun. A fun little... Yeah, that's fun. But no, do you know what? We've gone up for... We're so used to going up for same parts or same... I think if one of us had had like a

meteoric rise then maybe it would be a different story we're both sort of scrambling around yeah i mean i think because i was in a very successful double act yes and i wish we'd had counseling yeah early on yeah i wish someone had sat down and said look this this this and this are likely to happen and if they do don't fall out not that we ever massively fell out but there was tension that was so unhelpful that i really regret and i and and loads of bits of insecurity many of which were my fault sorry i'm just choking with, tears are actually streaming down his face. Wow. Wow.

Excuse me. I'm 52. And I just wish that someone had sat us down and given us a little talk. Yeah. And said, like, actually, you know, the most important thing is to protect your relationship. And you can definitely go off and do other things individually but if you want to just torpedo it because you're insecure about the other one doing better than the other one right then it'll be such a mistake yeah um and

i'm glad to say that we sort of weathered it and and came through the other end and still get on and do bits and pieces. But I certainly wish that we'd kind of plugged away a little longer at the TV thing. Cause I think it was, cause it was good fun. I think it's so common. We've definitely, you know, been through some of that ourselves and no one teaches you how to do it. And there's also something a bit, you do feel a bit silly when it gets a bit tense or difficult because you're like having a slightly tense discussion and then you've got to put a stupid wig on

and one of you's got the duck problem. Would you want to just do the bit with the slug then? When we did our last Edinburgh, we had to share a room because we couldn't afford to have our own room. So it'd be like, I don't know. And this is why we're asking for 10 pounds a month. No, but it would be literally like, good night, bro. But it was so intense that basically there's a weird thing where you're not that successful,

but you're still taking it very seriously because you're on stage together every day. That's what we had. So you're so vulnerable and there's so many pressures and you're trying to make it so even though you're not successful so it shouldn't matter you're feeling like well we're close so we it does matter and also just even just doing the fringe is eye-wateringly expensive yeah and the house always wins like that run we sold every single show out we did extra shows and then when we got the breakdown did we like make 300 pounds each less than i don't

think we even i think we just absolutely like staggering like so so you are you tell yourself like i'll keep it lying just chill we're just playing which is playful yeah but actually it really does matter and it's quite a hard sort of balance to sort of stay playful and also not be like crushed by the weight of the pressure. And also often it's interesting to me how a two, it's a bit like a partner and you slot into roles. There's always dynamics. And sometimes you've chosen each other because you remind each other of certain familiar things

that you don't feel like you like, but they are familiar. She's talking about daddy. But I do think that, I mean, so far, touch wood, we've always been able to talk it out, maybe not immediately at a time, but always afterwards. And there's always enough of a bond there, I think, and enough sort of love that you do figure it out. But yeah, you do feel very silly because you're like,

ultimately what we're doing is not very important but it is very exposing i think that's why you can get all the worst aspects of yourself can start to come out anyway fray should talk now but this is also classic that i would most amount of fray would be like yep me and joe used to come out of interviews and i used i was jangling like i would just be going for it in the interview you know and then afterwards i'd feel sort of dirty and ashamed yeah a vulnerability hangover i get that all the time but i definitely talk too much and i'd say you talk a lot less it's just hard to be i think a double act is such a sort of unique dynamic and i think it is rare that

they survive without without some sort of sort of den or like and and it's really sad like there was an article was it a bad deal and newman you mean a bad deal where they talked yes yes where they talked about doing this they were the first like white house experience and then they became this sort of stadium yeah they were like the first stadium comics. Mary Whitehouse experience. And then they became this sort of stadium. Yeah, they were like the first stadium comics, weren't they? Rock star comics, yeah. But really the ones that did the sort of historians or professors that have very petty. Yeah, okay.

But they got to a point where they couldn't like look. They were on stage literally acting the part of being friends, but they actually weren't looking at each other's eyes. They weren't, they couldn't, they didn't talk to each other unless they were on stage. And I just read that being like, good God, that is just horrendous to yeah there's something quite tragic about it yeah i think that's right they were on stage at wembley stadium even was it like somewhere massive yeah and they were playing in the round and they were hugely popular and they couldn't stand each other oh man that's just so depressing, isn't it? But it's so, I mean, it's annoying being such a cliche.

I imagine it's like when marriages break down and you never think you're going to be the person trying to take your ex to the cleaners, and then suddenly you are that person, and you're like, how have I become this cliche? But I think that's why it's always the case that if you defer talking about things they get worse and become more entrenched and that's how you end up at wembley stadium not not speaking

and so i think for us it's you know we struggle to have those conversations because they are so uncomfortable yeah but you kind of know in the back of your mind if we don't sort of disinfect the wound now it's going to sort of, yeah, putrefy. So we've got better at trying to deal with it. I would have gone with fester. Fester, yeah. Yeah. How about, sorry, I kind of.

Just needless. You're proud of yourself. No, I'm sorry. How about new characters? Yes. I was going to think of some ideas for new characters for you to do. Oh, yeah, great. Oh, we'd love some. Yeah, we're quite tired. So if tired so if you got any yeah i didn't get very far oh shit in fact

i only got one yeah is he called adam he's called adam buxton yeah and he's got a podcast uh no tedious stand-up comedians how about this yeah or maybe this would be too difficult because you know too many people in the industry they might think you're having a dig but uh i thought that would be funny i could imagine you playing them you know people who take stand up and this is not this is an american thing maybe even more than it is a british thing but who take it way too seriously oh. And who just think they are doing the most important job in the world. Speaking truth to power. And there's a science to it. And they refer to other comedians by their surname.

As if they're these kind of legendary historical figures that, you know, would be too impertinent to refer to them by their Christian name. They laugh much too loudly and confidently they get it this is the thing yeah they get it in a writing room or at a show you know it's just they very much get it yeah as you say but yeah they i also think that those types of stand-up they they're the gatekeepers as well they want to keep it as this uh exclusive and they're almost quite old school by the way this is not exclusively men i'm talking no no there are women who fall into this women can be crap as well and that's feminism yeah but they're often the last sort of dying bastions of old school comedy where it's like it should be a bit of a

hustle and and it's very alpha it's all like taking a beer on stage and i'm troubled but i'm not gonna yeah well that's the other thing is always going on about how fucked up they are yeah um but it's i suppose an attempt to create an environment where it feels like there's that it's a craft somehow i'm not saying that it's not but it is so nebulous you know what i mean like it is a silly ephemeral thing by nature so so i think it must be common for most comedians to just be hit by a huge amount of um anxiety about the possibility that they're wasting their lives on a stupid meaningless oh that is like the always the insurmountable it's always a thing that you got to get over that you're like no one's asked me to do this

and no one needs this and i'm not enjoying doing it so what is the point of this my life to this and for what you feel like the stupidest but least worthy of kindness and empathy person in the world because you've you've brought it on yourself but i think you get you i get all the time show and i'll go and watch another show and i'll be like that's what i should be i shouldn't be doing this i should be doing that yes that's so much more worthwhile than the thing that i'm doing and yet here we are yeah yeah yeah i think it's the hardest job in the world i was sort sort of talking about, you know, we just did a radio pilot and I was knackered and my mum was like, you haven't been down a mine.

Honestly, people going on about how hard mining is the whole time. I'm sick of it. I want to see a show, you know where they did like wife swap? Yeah, yeah. I want to see that, but for comedians and miners. Yeah. Just swap them over and see. Who would do better?

Tom Hiddleston described actors as 3D archaeologists. That sounds right. Yeah. Just swap them over and see. Who would do better? Tom Hiddleston described actors as 3D archaeologists. That sounds right. Yeah. That's on YouTube. Is that when he's like Eton, Cambridge, wherever? That's something else. There's so many amazing rumors about Tom Hiddleston. He's the gift that keeps giving.

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Fly past from the hairy bullet. Welcome back, podcats. That was Freya Parker and Celeste Dring of Lazy Susan talking to me there. Very much enjoyed meeting them and I'm very grateful to them for their time, for coming into my creepy hotel room and being nice about it. I do recommend checking out their Lazy Susan sketch show as an introduction to their world, if you're not already familiar with it. as an introduction to their world if you're not already familiar with it there's a link in the description of the podcast to the show on the bbc iplayer where you should be able to see

it for a while if you're uh way in the future listening to this podcast i don't know if the link will still be there didn't really need to say that, but I said it anyway. Also, something I noticed when I was listening back to the edit, I said that Newman and Baddiel played their record-breaking show at Wembley Stadium, did I say? Yes, I think I did, and it was Wembley Arena. I know some of you will have been maddened by that so I wanted to acknowledge it for you and admit my mistake and hang my head in shame and say I'm very sorry I got it wrong and I'm a big enough man to admit it there's also a link in the description to a half hour is it half an hour maybe it's more like 20 minutes a segment about Badil and Newman going and playing that record-breaking comedy show back in 1993 if you want to have a bit of

nostalgia for slightly simpler times speaking of which one of the best things I watched recently, it was a real old guy moment, was a documentary I found on YouTube about the Travelling Wilburys, the supergroup featuring George Harrison, Jeff Lynne, the VLO, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan and Roy Orbison. Tom Petty, Bob Dylan and Roy Orbison their debut album was released in 88 thereabouts and though it's not an album I'm obsessed by by any stretch of the imagination I guess

I do slightly love it or at least I love a couple of songs on there. Heading for the Light and End of the Line. And there's something about them. But this documentary is really great. I hadn't seen it before. It's just a promotional thing that was filmed maybe by george harrison's wife it must have been someone in the inner sanctum because they are filming all of the wilburys in dave

stewart's house in los angeles where they were making this record and you got intimate wilbury access there even bob dylan is allowing himself to be filmed, even though he doesn't look pleased about it and he doesn't chat and he keeps his shades on. But you get some great intimate moments of them laying down these songs in Dave Stewart's little vocal booth. I don't know, it just made me very happy to see all these people together. It's bittersweet, of course, because we're three Wilburys down. We've got Jeff Lynn and who's the other one that we've still got? Bob Dylan. I couldn't remember which Wilburys we had left.

We've got Bobbles and Jeff. And I hope that remains the case for, I'm going to say, 100 years. Anyway, I'll put a link to that little Wilbury film in the description in case you want some uncomplicated, middle-of-the-road nostalgia fun. Also, a couple more blokes of a certain age chatting about music on a podcast called Mr. DeMille FM. Now, someone told me about this.

A podcat got in touch and recommended this. I'm sorry I haven't got their name to hand, but thanks for the recommendation. And they recommended I listen to this one particular episode. The podcast is about film music, or music that has been used in films. It's hosted by Hugh Cornwell, ex of The Stranglers, lead singer.

Hugh Cornwell, ex of The Stranglers, lead singer. And sometimes the episodes are just him talking about the career of a director or a performer and some of the music associated with the films that they made. Other times he interviews guests. Other times he interviews guests, Debbie Harry, Fred Armisen, John Sayles, the director, that's a a good and articulate talker. And his music selections from a very diverse load of films are fantastic. Lots of things I'd never heard before. As well as him talking about a few of his own tracks. It's a good listen if you're into that sort of thing. Link in the description.

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