The Daily Show: Ears Edition - 3M’s Forever Chemicals and a Therapist’s Take on Election Cycle Anxiety | Guest Spotlight

Episode Date: June 30, 2024

ProPublica reporter Sharon Lerner joins Michael Kosta to discuss her investigative piece into 3M’s use of forever chemicals and the company’s failed efforts to conceal them. Also, psychotherapist and author Lori Gottlieb sits with Jon Stewart to explain how the anxiety of presidential election seasons make it a popular time for people to seek out therapy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the New Yorker investigates 3M's use of Forever Chemicals. Please welcome Sharon Ler. Hi Sharon Ler. Hi, Sharon. How are you? Thank you for being here. All right. Thank you for coming. Thank you for writing this piece.

This is a testament to investigative journalism. How long does it take to write this piece? Well, it took about a year. Yeah. A little more than a year, but I was doing other things in the middle. What exactly are Forever Chemicals? What did 3M do? What were you uncovering in this piece? Yeah. So I was writing about Forever Chemicals, which are PFAS,

is the name of the compounds. And basically, they're called Forever chemicals because they last forever in the environment and they accumulate in your body. And we all knew, we've known for a while, that 3M made these chemicals, and I have been reporting on them for a while. What was new with this story was that someone who had worked in the company came to me

and offered to tell me her story. Right. And it ended up shedding terrible light really on the company and on the delay, the decades of delay for them to reveal truth of what was going on. She was testing blood and was finding that everyone's blood had forever chemicals in it. And how did 3M respond to her research? Right, so she ended up, she was asked by her boss to test all these blood samples. And these were samples of blood from the general public. So she starts testing them and she keeps finding trace amounts of this chemical, PFOS,

which was made by her employer in everyone's blood. It's not supposed to be there, right? And then she tests different parts of the country, she tests animals, and she finally brings her results to her boss. And in response, her superiors were not happy with her work. She thought they would be happy. You found this amazing thing. She's a scientist. Yeah, she's a scientist.

She's in the environmental lab. That's her job, right? And in fact, what they ended up doing was questioning her and saying, this can't be right, and your equipment's probably messed up. And why don't you repeat the experiment? And eventually, what she finds is that there was another chemist at the company who had discovered the same thing in 1975. So decades earlier. And I, what you talk about in the article, but part of what

theii, but part of what solidified her belief in her research was she actually tested old blood. Yeah. Yeah. What was that? Yeah. So she's been, she's testing all these samples from around the country, and they all contain PFOs. And her bosses start saying, oh, you thinks.

. contain PFOS and her bosses start saying oh you think you get PFA-S you get PFO you get it's like we all got it yeah and they start saying are you sure because maybe you just think it's everywhere right you just are delusional basically and then she ends up testing a sample from rural China and an old sample right and it was the first one she tested that didn't have any of the chemical in it and And she realized here it is. Yeah. Someone ruled China who's probably dead at this point doesn't have forever chemicals in their blood. And then she ended up testing someone for a war veteran who the blood sample was from 1957 before Scotchgard enter the market. So let's let's talk about that. What are forever chemicals in? You mentioned ScotchGard enter the market. So let's talk about that. What are Forever Chemicals in?

You mentioned ScotchGard. Right, so initially they were in ScotchGard, which is this coating for fabrics. Carpets. Yeah, and carpets. Couches. And then they had also a product that was for food packaging. And it was also in firefighting foam. And that was the beginning. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. tho. And that was the beginning. Now I cannot name all the products that it's in.

Thousands, really. And the companies say they're in every car and cell phone, they're in makeup, they're in everything. And 3M put out a little spreadsheet in 2022 of just their products that contained PFAS, and it had more than 16,000. I love that they put out a spreadsheet in 2022 and they've known about this since 1975. So 50 years later, super helpful. Do you, when you start digging into this, when you start digging into this, do you ever

just want to go, ah, blah, I don't want to hear about this shit. Well, you know, when I dig into this, what I want to do is tell people. And that's why I'm here, you know. Yes, right. I mean, it is utterly depressing, but I think it would be slightly more depressing not to report on it. Well, yeah, I mean, your article triggered my awareness. And then I remembered the Mark Ruffelo movie, the the th an th an th an th an th an thra, I thra, I thra, I thra, I thra, I thra, I thra, I thr-I, I thr-I, I thr-I is thr-I is thr-I is thr-I is thr-I is thr-I is thr-I is thr, I thr, I thr-I is thr-I is thr-a, I thr-a, I thr-a, I thr-a, I is is is is is is is is is is is thin, I is is thin, I is thin, I is thr-a, I is thr-a, I is thr-a, I is thr-a, I is thr-a, I is thr-s, I was thr-s, I thr-s, thr-s.. throwneeeateateat-s. throwneateat-s. throwneateat, thr-s. thr-s. thr- about this even before that, and it's like, holy shit, we got to pay attention to this stuff. You know, I have a four-year-old daughter, and I often am trying to tell her to stop being

so pushy, right? Hey, chill, you can't keep pushing back, pushing back, but then I meet you and I read this, and I heard you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you say that you that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've to be that you've got to be that you've got thi, that you've got that you've that you've that you've that you've to that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've that you've, that you've, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th........ I've th. That's, th. I've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. te. te. tell, tell, tell, tell, the. their, their, their, their, their, and I read this and I heard you say that you've got to be pushy to dig in and fight against 3M that made $14 billion last year. Am I a shitty parent? Well, to be an investigative journalist or not. Well, to be an investigative journalist, you do have to be kind of pushy. So it depends on whether your daughter wants to be an investigative journalist or not. I mean, you're, you're true. we're just putting your pants out at this point. So, yeah. I mean, you have to find out things that people don't want you to know.

And so, you know, the, so with this story, you know, the, you know, the response I got from 3M when I was writing about this in 2015 and 2016, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you th.. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, you, you, you, you,this in 2015 and 2016, you know, it's, um... This is, you know, yeah. You know, it's totally different from the story I got from someone who is on the inside and it only took me nine years. Right, right. Right. Is there something that you do now differently in your life, a habit, knowing what you know? Are you not drinking water out of the hose like we did in Michigan growing?

I mean, is there just something? Because look, a single American citizen taking on 3M or DuPont, because 3M's not the only company with these rep, you know, what can you tell me that I can do that I can do, or you can do, besides being aware, which is a positive step. It is. Yeah. And, you know, it is so widespread now, as you said, it's tons of products, it's some water all over the place. So I don't actually, I mean, I don't use non-stick pans and that kind of thing, that's easy or microwave popcorn. That's easy. Don't use microwave popcorn. Don't use microwave popcorn. Okay. And I have to say say to say to say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say that I that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoooooo. that's that's that's't know how it's been, if it's been reformulated recently, but that was one of the original things that it was in.

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change my habits. So, like, I don't use single-use plastic because you cannot. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And my, my question is flawed to you because it always find, I always find a capitalism the onus goes on us. Yeah. Right?

Like, hey, Sharon, why are you using that plastic bottle? And it's like, well, I assume what's on the shelf is safe for me. Yeah. And that's not a safe assumption. And does our government step in on this? Where, where, where are they on this? Well, yeah, there are a lot of government failures here in this story. One is that when the 3M ended up giving in studies that they had done in 1975, 1980, they finally gave them all to the EPA in the late 90s in 2000.

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made but but there are thousands of chemicals in this class and we've only gotten you know a couple. So... And it's in New York City drinking water. I mean it's in everyone's drinking water. And you know, and the the the drinking water. And, and the drinking water. And the drinking water. And their. And their. And their. And the drinking water. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. And their. their. their drinking water. And their. And their. And their drinking. the drinking water. And their. And their. And the drinking. And the drinking. And the drinking. And the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. the drinking. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the only gotten, you know, a couple. So... And it's in New York City drinking water. I mean, it's in everyone's drinking water. I, you know, and, yeah. And now the challenge is local cities are going to have to find a way to pay for filtering this out. Right. Right. And there was just a big suit, a big settlement with 3M, where they're going to pay 12.5 billion dollars and you think, oh that's a lot of money and it's not when you have to actually remove these chemicals from water everywhere.

Environmental crime. That's a new term that I recently heard and when I read your piece I said, this is environmental crime. Three M has committed assault on us. Maybe murder depending on the classification. Has anyone at 3M? Are there anybody in trouble? No. Not in a criminal way. Sweet, love this fucking story, you know?

It's just. Yeah, not in a criminal way. But I like the way you put that. It is a crime, right? And I mean, part of the reason I think it's a crime is because we weren't given any choice in the matter, right? So nobody said, in exchange for this beautiful stain-free couch, we're going to put a toxic chemical in your body and leave it there forever. Yeah. It wasn't like that. It was, here's his product. And we know this thing we're not telling you. So it's like bodily trespass, really. Like they're, I mean, these chemicals are in infants when they're born,

before they're born. Right. One of the saddest and scariest parts was when in the article you talked about, and this sad but how women actually finally showed that they had less forever chemicals in their body but that was after they gave birth because they passed it on to their child. Yeah, right? So this is this is a problem. What can you leave us with? Everybody here is now newly aware should we call all our Congress people? Should we stop buying plastic? Well I mean here's I mean, here's something really focused. Great. I like focused. Like the entire audience.

I mean, so one of the crazy things is that PFAS are still being new ones are still being introduced. So we still have thousands that are being used, but they're still introducing new ones. That is, like, that seems bananas to me, and that seems like a very very very very very, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to. to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thr. thr. thr. thr. too thr. too thr. too thr. too thr. thracea. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. to me and that seems like a very focused point that we could you know do something about. Yeah, thank you very much for writing this article. Thank you for coming on the Daily Show and talking with us. You Make Me Sick is available online at the New Yorker and ProPublica Sharon Lerner. Hey everybody John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, the weekly show coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talk talk talk talk talk talk thea the the the the the th th the th. th. A thin thin the thin thin thin thin' the thi to be th. I to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be talking about the election. Earnings calls.

What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. My guest tonight, my guest tonight in an incredibly prescient booking by our talent show is a psychotherapist. My guest tonight in an incredibly prescient booking by our talent people is a psychotherapist. Hmm, fancy that. Best-selling author of maybe you should talk to someone. And dear therapist columnist for the Atlantic, please welcome to the program, Laurie Gottlieb.

Doctor! Come on to the today. Come on. Please, have a scene. Please, have a scene. Please, have a scene. Doctor, you're probably wondering why I've called you here tonight. Yes, well, my therapist clearly turned off his phone, so... I'm sure. Now, are you expecting, as a therapist clearly turned off his phone, so. I'm sure. Now, are you expecting as a therapist on occasions like this? They always say, you know, the Super Bowl, people get so angry and they're rooting for

their teams and there's a huge uptick in arguments and violence and all kinds of other things. Do you expect something similar for an event like this? Well, I think that a lot of people are going to be having arguments. I don't know that it's going to be domestic violence, but I think there's definitely going to be a lot of arguments happening with friends, families, workplaces, all of it. And you think because this is a time when the country is really focused on this and there's really no way to escape it. And so whatever schisms are there are, are going to be exacerbated, the theircasser, their, their, their, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, and their, and to be, tho, and thi, thus, thus, thi, thi, th thi, thi, thi, thi, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thin, and, thin, and, thin, and, thin, and, thi.a.a.augh, is a thi.a, is a thi.a.a, thi.a, thi.a,to be exacerbated? I think they are and also just because we're so polarized and I think that people don't know how to have conversations about the issues. It doesn't even become about the

issues anymore as we just saw. But we are siloed. Isn't the siloing of the nation keep us from having to have those conversations? Because you don't really run into those people that you disagree with too much except on Because you don't really run into those people that you disagree with too much, except on Thanksgiving. Well, I think you run into them on social media. And I think that that's where a lot of this is happening. And then people get very upset by what they're seeing on social media. And I can understand when we look at the rates of anxiety and depression.

You know, we say in therapy before diagnosing someone with depression make sure they aren't surrounded by assholes right so I'm not going to name who those assholes wait is that really a thing like I have depression and you're like well sometimes it's like I understand look at who drove you here look at who sent you here because often the people who are coming to therapy are the people who are coming to therapy because the people who should be in therapy that the th th th th. th. the people th. the people th. th. th. th. th. the people th. th. the the the the the the the thr- thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-I tho tho thr-I tho tho the-I the-I the-I I the-I I the-I I the-I I the-I I the-I I the-I the-I the-I the-I the-I the-I the-I the-I the-I thr-I thr-I thr-I thr-n is thr-n is thr-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-wo-n-n-n-n-I'm thre-I'm three thre- because the people who should be in therapy are not coming to therapy. That just blew my mind. So this is people are coming because they feel they don't have an outlet for their frustrations and the only outlet they might have social media is toxic. Well I think that what you see on social media again is a lot of this sort of you know name calling and and again there's not a lot a lot a lot a lot th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of th of tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho. tho-a tho-a the thi the. the. tho-a. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. people thi. people thi. thi. people the thi. the the the the the thi. People thi. People thi. People thi. People thi. People the. People the. People the. the. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. People just just just just just just thei. People just just just thea. calling. And again, there's not a lot of nuance.

There's not a lot of complexity. It's a lot of just people fighting. It was like that golf exchange on the, you know, on the debate. It's those kinds of things where people are talking about completely irrelevant things, or they're just uninformed. And I think that people don't know. an irrelevant a presidential debate. How do you deal with there is an existential fear to this? I mean for social media to keep people engaged, for

news organizations to keep people watching, they have to ramp up the urgency and the existential nature of the crisis. So you're sort of torn between these two impulses. One is to not participate, which would be advocating civic responsibility, but the other would be to bathe yourself in this existential crisis. What choice do you have? Well, we do have a choice.

Because, so look at anxiety. There's productive anxiety and unproductive anxiety. So, what? Well, think about it. If you didn't have anxiety, you wouldn't be able to be safe. That's why we have anxiety. It was like, there's a bear. You better have anxiety, I'm just going to stand here.

Productive anxiety is I'm going to do something about this. See that's so weird because my anxiety has never saved me from bears but it often convinces me I'm not lovable. So how, how, how do you, how do you, how, how, how, how, I shared too much. How do you... I was just going to say... How do you separate... I watch... I didn't want to watch the debates tonight, but I do work once a week now, so I have to to be because it's toxic to me. I know that. I have to participate. But how does that anxiety of watching it... How is that a relic of something that's good for me?

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know, getting all worked up. That's not helpful. That's unproductive anxiety. And then there's productive anxiety where you say, what can I do? Well, you can get involved in a campaign, you can vote. you can do. The thing, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin thin, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thin, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho. And, thooooooooooooooooooomoomoomoomoomorrow, thoomorrow, thoomoomorrow, thoomo. And, tho, the can get the people around you to vote. There are things that you can do. The thing that you want to do is you want to say, what can I control here? And that's where you take your anxiety

and you say it's going to motivate me to do something productive. Does sitting in your underwear screaming at the TV count as action? No. No. Doc, you're losing me here. Have you seen an effect of this on relationships, on marriages, on families? Have you want, is this separating people at a much deeper, more emotional level than what we're understanding? Yes, absolutely. You know, I, when I see couples in therapy, often when they come in, the person, you know, you say, you know, you say, you know, you say what's going on, you know, you say, you know, you say, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you say, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, thi, thi, th, th, know, when I see couples in therapy, often when they come in, the person, you say, what's going on, and the person

want something to change, but what they want to change is the other person, the person sitting right there. Sure. They don't think I want to change myself, or I'm not really getting to the bottom of it and I'm just you know we're just yelling at each other about this. Are you seeing this in couple, in married couples where politics has driven a wedge to them that is that they can't overcome?

Oh absolutely. How do you traverse a political conversation with a couple? Yeah, well, there's this great phrase in therapy. It's saying, I wonder. So it starts with, I wonder. I wonder. You know, it's kind of like, you know, I wonder if instead of taking another drink, maybe you should take a walk when you're feeling sad, right.

As a boss do... Unfortunately, it's a live show, we're out of time. I always say, I use that all the time. I wonder why you're such an asshole. That might usually work. Check out Lori's book. Maybe you should go up to someone. We're calling the Atlantic and her dear throats. I'm sorry we ever watch. I'm sorry we ever watch. Show Podcast Universe by searching the Daily Show, wherever you get your podcasts.

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