The Daily Show: Ears Edition - George Clooney Wants Biden To Step Down | Elizabeth Dias & Lisa Lerer

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

Desi Lydic and Jordan Klepper cover the latest news surrounding the Biden campaign, including a call from George Clooney for Biden to step down. Plus, they tackle Trump's latest rally ramblings. Trump has been a big proponent of the Taiwan-based electronic manufacturer Foxconn's opening of a massive factory in Wisconsin, promising thousands of new jobs. But it seems like the people of Wisconsin have been Fox-conned. Ronny Chieng investigates. Also, New York Times reporters Elizabeth Dias & Lisa Lerer sit down with Desi & Jordan to talk about their new book, “The Fall of Roe: The Rise of a New America.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm Jesse Leining. We've missed you so much. What's it been? 24 hours? I barely recognize you at all. That's because it's a different audience than last night. Oh my God, you're right. Nothing gets past me. We've got so much to talk about tonight, so let's get right into our continuing coverage of Indecision 2024. Indecision 2024. Let's kick things off with America's happiest felon, Donald Trump. He's ahead of the polls, but he's not resting on his laurels. He's at rallies talking about the issues that matter. The other day I got very angry, some man Chris Christie fat and I said, sir, and

then he said he was a pig. I said, sir, Chris Christie is not a fat pig. Please remember that. A waitress came over. A waitress and I never like talking about physics because she's beautiful inside. I don't even order bacon anymore. You know bacon's got up like five. I said, it's too expensive. I don't to want want want. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't even order bacon anymore. You know, bacon's got up like five. I said, it's too expensive, I don't want it. I don't want. Byron likes bacon. Sleepy Joe also declared

that he wanted to test his skills and stamina against mine on the golf course. And I will even give Joe Biden 10 strokes aside.that's a lot. Jokes on you, Donald Trump, Joe Biden's already had 10 strokes. But yes, if you miss Donald Trump's rally yesterday, he had very important things to say, like, Biden sucks at golf, Chris Christie is fat, and once I saw a hot waitress. I have to say, this was the first time I ever heard Trump talk about a woman's in the world's in the world. Like Biden sucks at golf, Chris Christie is fat, and once I saw a hot waitress. I have to say, this was the first time I ever heard Trump talk about a woman's inner beauty. Maybe he's maturing. Either that or he thinks there's more boobs to find on the inside.

Of course, it wasn't all boobs in bacon, which coincidentally is the title of my memoir coming out this Christmas. Trump did touch on some important issues in a very dramatic way and to be clear we did not add this music. We are a nation where fentanyl and all other forms of illegal drugs are easier to get than groceries to feed our beautiful families and babies. Mothers will never again be forced to watch their children overdosing and hospital and we will never allow mothers to watch their child hopelessly dying in their arms screaming what can I do what can I do help me God what can I do

do Never thought I'd say this, but I miss him talking about the hot waitress. Help me, God, what can I do? I mean, what chilling words about the opioid crisis, which were slightly undercut by the crisis he moved on to in the very next sentence. What can I do? What can I do? Help me, God, what can I do? We are a nation whose once revered airports are a dirty, crowded mess. You sit and wait for hours and then are notified that the plane won't leave, that they have no idea when they will.

Wow. Wow, what a smooth transition from, There's blood in the streets too, and why do I have to check my bags at the gates? They're killing us with fentanyl and I'm in boarding group six? Now the reason why Trump is having a blast on the campaign trail is because his opponent Joe Biden, whose poll numbers are hovering somewhere between uh-oh and oh shit. But worry not, by the truth. But worry not, by to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the, and to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to the the the the the tr campaign trail is because his opponent Joe Biden, whose poll numbers are hovering somewhere between uh-oh and oh shit. But worry not, Biden's team has a plan. Tomorrow he'll hold a press conference to show that he's fully in charge of all his faculties. Unfortunately, their branding isn't helping. The next test is what the White House says will be some

kind of a big boy press conference. He'll have a press conference, a big boy press conference, his big boy press conference, a big boy press conference, a big boy press conference. I guess a big boy press conference, this is what we're calling it? Oh my God, stop saying big boy press conference! It sounds like he's going to show everyone that he can tie his own shoes. Although at this point it would be reassuring to be reassuring to be reassuring to be to be to be their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to to to their, to to to to to to to to to to to too, their, to too, too, too, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, their, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next, the next. the next, the next, the next. the next, the next, their, te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. t point it would be reassuring to see him do that. But some Democrats aren't waiting to see whether Biden can get through his big boy press or without a binky. Now every day brings new lawmakers openly questioning whether Biden should remain as the nominee and today one of the parties biggest names weighed in. Nancy Pelosi passed up a golden opportunity to say President Biden should stay in the race.

Does he have your support to be the head of the Democrat ticket? As long as the president has, it's up to the president to so-side if he is going to run. We're all encouraging him to make that decision because time is running short. He's beloved. He is respected. And people want him to make to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to make to make the the to make to make the to make the the to the the the the the the the the the. the the thii. thi. thi. thi. thia. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. thi. the. the. thei. theiiiiii. theiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. the. the. the. the. to make that decision because time is running short. He's beloved. He is respected. And people want him to make that decision. Keep in mind, Biden has said about 50 times that he's staying in the race. He's like, I'm not going anywhere.

The Lord Almighty couldn't get me out of this race. And Pelosi's going, yep, great. Just let us know when you decide. Clock's ticket, Tick-Tock. I mean, that's the same energy my mom had when I told her I was going into comedy. She still calls me up today like, have you made a decision about medical school yet? By the way, it probably doesn't help that as she was speaking, I kept thinking, man, I wish that Biden could channel the youth and vigor of Nancy Pelosi. Oh, but Pelosi wasn't the biggest name to come out against Biden today, because while she was gently nudging him out of the race, an even more powerful Democrat was running him over with

a steamroller. All right, this just into CNN, a big Democratic donor, George Clooney, of course the actor has just called for President Biden to step aside. The actor writes, it's devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fundraiser was not the Joe big-effing deal Biden of 2010. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate. In short, Clooney says this is about age. Nothing more, he adds, we are not going to win in November with this president.

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doing the cluny thing I'm sorry I'm doing the cluny thing again Jesus get it together so beautiful God keeping in your pants the point is cluny isn't just a random celebrity he's a major fundraiser for the Democratic Party. Last month, he helped raise $30 million for Joe Biden. Wait, while we were all distracted by this op-ed, who was watching the money? Oh, it's a heist the whole time, Clooney! Clonie! Such a clever, sexy, silver fox of a man who's just got those lips, those

lips you can lose yourself in. I'm sorry. It's just, he's a lot. But you know what? It's important to remember that as of now, only eight House Democrats have called on Joe Biden to step down. And the dissenters might get all the headlines, but there are hundreds of other Democrats who are still with Joe Biden. But with a skeptical public, now is the time

for them to make their case to the people. So let's hear their enthusiasm. What do you say, Congressman Jim Clyburn. We're riding with Biden. We're riding with Biden. Was there conversation about Vice President Kamal Harris in there? We are riding with Biden. Oh, okay. I wouldn't say that was enthusiasm I was hearing there.

I'm riding with Biden. Sounds like you're in a Thelman-Louis situation. Yeah, that's the same tone of voice you use when you don't like the man your best friend is marrying, but you're a bridesmaid. So congratulations, Becky and Mark. He hit on me at the rehearsal dinner, but Mark's our man. Marks are man. We don't talk anymore.

Okay, all right. Maybe we don't need enthusiasm. We just need an argument. A good, strong argument for supporting him as the nominee. Sell us on him. If President Biden declines to leave voluntarily, then we have no choice but to, you know, support him as our nominee. I am fully behind him as our nominee.

Until he's not our nominee. Okay, again, less an argument and more a statement of fact. It's like if your mother-in-law asked you if you like the dinner she made and you say, you made a dinner. And it was food. And I will eat the food until there is other food. Come on. I mean, if Trump is an existential threat to democracy and you're not making the case for Biden to drop out, then you gotta explain why you keep supporting them. Go!

Do you support keeping Biden as your nominee? Do you support keeping Biden at the top of the ticket? Do you think that Biden just stays your nominee? I love that tie. I love that tie. Do you mind if I hang myself with it instead of answering your question? Actually, you know what, actually, I wonder what it was he liked about that tie. Can we have another angle on that? Oh, okay, yeah. Oh, that makes sense.

Yeah, yeah. Like, Democrats, listen, we're not gonna sit here and tell you what to do. But whatever you do, actually do it. This indecisive waffling only makes you look like you don't have the courage of your convictions. Either tell Joe that he needs to go or stand by him and really make the case for him. Yeah, or don't spend the next four months running around saying I don't know, I don't know, but when November comes, the only thing you're

going to be saying is this. What can I do? What can I do? What can I do? Help me God? What can I do? to help me God? the truth. When we come back, Ronnie Chang discovers one of Trump's incredible success stories. Stay too. This is Dr. Frazier Crane. I'm listening. He's back again. Hey dad, I got a question about punctuation. Ooh! No, stay on task. And he's more Frazier than ever. How do I look? Rich. Tell us what I was going before. Oh my God, they traded your baby for wine!

Do you really think we would trade John for white Zinfandel? Or any wine? Frazier, new season streaming September 19th on Paramount Plus. Welcome back to the Daily Show. Next week, Donald Trump will accept the Republican nomination for a second term in Wisconsin. But while he's in the state, there's one town he may want to avoid. Ronnie Chang tells us why. Trump's promise in 2016 to bring that manufacturing jobs was a major appeal in the upper Midwest. And in Trump's first year in office, the artists of deals delivered them a masterpiece. Foxcon will invest in Southeast Wisconsin. Electronics manufacturer Foxcon is opening its first major U.S. factory in Wisconsin, investing $10 billion of their own money to do so.

That's right, Foxcon, the Taiwan-based company that's good at making iPhones and great at making their employees jump off buildings. The Foxcon deal in Mount Pleasant was as golden as the shovels Trump brought to the groundbreaking. I think we can say this is, we can say, the eighth wonder of the world. So to learn more about this eighth wonder of the world, I spoke with Alan Young, the business genius responsible for bringing Foxcon to Wiscan. Sing. Love business. Love big business. I love great businessmen.

You brought manufacturing to Mount Pleasant. What you love most about Wisconsin? The cheese or the high rate of alcoholism. It turns out Wisconsin, actually, to our benefit, was the right choice. And the vision really was to create what we call Wisconsin-Valeighed the $10 billion project slated to create up to $13,000 job. All right, high-tech job creation. Local country bumpkin Kelly Gallowher.

Must be ecstatic. Boxcon came to town, they promised us the world. Then they fucked us because our village officials are morons. Look lady, I came here to do a feel-good puff piece about foreign corporations creating jobs for farmers or whatever, okay? Are you telling me that's not happening? They promised us 13,000 jobs and a $10 billion investment. We got a few hundred crappy jobs. We bulldozed 100 homes, moved people out, used eminent domain against them, and except for a few buildings that Foxcon has put there, it's basically empty.

Well you can't fault Foxcon for putting money into this town and trying to make something happen. But they didn't put money in on it. Unfortunately, the village of Mount Pleasant decided instead of making Foxcon by the land that they wanted for put money in on it. Unfortunately, the village of Mount Pleasant decided, instead of making Foxcon, by the land that they wanted for their factory, our part-time village trustees, they said, we'll do it for you. We borrowed nearly a billion dollars. So a bunch of village idiots borrowed a billion dollars

to get Foxcon comes in and goes, hey, we can give you guys civilization, take you out of the farms. Well, we like our farms. What was Foxcon promising to build? Well first they said they were going to build a large screen LCD TVs. Amazing. I love those thee. A few weeks later, they changed it, that they were going to build small LCD screens, the kinds that you get in the car.

That's cool. I love those too. I love all screens. Then they announced that they were going to build coffee robots. Okay. But you know what? Who doesn't like coffee? That didn't happen either. Okay. It's 3,000 square acres of land. Do you know how much 3,000 square acres of land is?

Of course not. I'm not a dumb farmer. You should really go check it out. Fine, I will. This symbol villager wasn't making any sense. Alan and Foxcon assured the residents of Mount Pleasant that will be bringing a stair-the-yard tech hop to its barren farmland. But instead, all Fox-con built was a bunch of roads to nowhere. What the hell? Two empty warehouses and a lame disco ball in the middle of an empty field? Feeh'ing hell, I needed answers.

Where the hell is everybody? I was told there's 13,000 jobs. Yeah, sorry, so just wondering, where are the jobs at? The jobs? There's 13,000 jobs. This can't be right. And even if there aren't any jobs or products or transparency, surely Foxcott has a plan. I would say that over the past few years, everybody learned a few lessons.

I think the storyline is happening, a story is a good one. It really is trailblazing and making a pioneering decisions even though it might not make sense. Even though it makes absolutely no sense. Well, okay, absolutely no sense. But right now I think we're in the chapter 2 or chapter 3 of the whole thing. Chapter 11 of the... Well, you don't want to get there. Right. Well, the outcome was job creation. You really shouldn't care if you build potato chips or microchips? Potato chips or microchips, who cares? Just make something. That's what people want.

For Foxcon to make something in this factory. It takes a village. It takes a village to build a factory that makes nothing. You got me there. Ellen did a great job as showing the very thin line between genius business plan and scam. Okay, I think I see why you're so upset.. Who thi ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch the the the the thi chips the thi chips thi chips thi chips the c c ccic the c chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips chips thi chips thi chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi chips thi. Who thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi chips thi chips thi chips. Who that that that that that that that that that that that to that to to that that to that to to to to to to thi chips. Who thi chips thi chips thi chips thi the very thin line between genius business plan and scam. Okay, I think I see why you're so upset. You got catfished. You know what catfishing is? Yes, I do. But what who benefited?

Why did they do this? If it's so bad for everybody, why did this happen? Well, it was really Donald Trump. Oh, here we go again. It's the largest failed, publicly funded economic development project in Wisconsin history, possibly in US history. Thank you, Wisconsin. In true Trump fashion, he made a promise, never delivered, and left someone else holding the bag. Was there any way to turn this development disaster around?

More breaking news now, Microsoft could be coming to Mount Pleasant. This is a huge win for the village. Microsoft came to town and they announced a $3.3 billion investment project and 2,000 full-time jobs. Okay, 2000 is quite a step down from 13,000. But those 13,000 jobs were never real. What are you even making there? It's going to be an AI center. Wait, but that, if it's an AI center is going to take to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the thii to be to be to be to be to bea to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the the the the the the the the their job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job job thiii and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi. thi thi. thi. thi. the soa. thea. thea. thea. theoooooo. thean. thean. thi., if it's an AI center, it's going to take jobs. They're going to replace workers, you're going to end up with less jobs than before.

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And put your whole village into debt. Great job. Thank you, Ronnie. When we come back. Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lair will talk about the future of abortion in America. Don't go away. streaming soon on Paramount Plus. This is Dr. Frazier Crane. I'm listening. He's back again.

Hey dad, I got a question about punctuation. Oh, no, stay on task. And he's more Frazier than ever. How do I look? Rich. Just what I was going. Oh my God, they traded your baby for wine. Do you really think we would trade John for white Zinfandel? Or any wine?

Frazier, new season streaming September 19th on Paramount Plus. Welcome back to the Daily Show, our guest tonight are reporters at the New York Times and co-authors of the best selling book, The Fall of Roe, The Rise of a New America. Please welcome Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lair. Thank you so much for being on the show and for all of your incredible work on this. We enjoyed your book very much for being on the show and for all of your incredible work on this. We enjoyed your book very much and also were thoroughly horrified by all of it, obviously. But so many Americans felt kind of blindsided when Roe v. Wade was overturned, and yet you walk us through every step of the way. This was not an overnight shocking decision.

This was decades in the making. Walk us through some of that. You mean the secret plan to overturn Roe v. Wade? Yes, yes. There was one. For 50 years, the anti-abortion movement tried so hard, right? They made it their life's work, generational commitment to try to overturn Roe. This was a moral commitment for them, for them the greatest moral calling of their lives. And they were not successful until about 10 years ago, something changed.

And we've taken to calling it the, this was the last decade, the final decade of the Roe era in American life. They had new tactics, new strategies, and they really radicalized along with the Republican Party and did what many Americans thought was unimaginable which was overturning Roe v. Wade. Now in telling this story, how much of this did you find was based in sort of a moral argument and how much of this felt like it was groups who had political motives who were trying to utilize Roe as a as a piece in which to gain more political power? Well certainly there's a really deep moral and spiritual element.

These are conservative Christians, largely evangelicals and Catholics. And they see this as a story that's rooted in, you know, biblical kind of terms. But I think there's also this broader effort and what they effectively want to do is overturn elements of the sexual revolution and return the family, the American family to a more traditional time. , I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the family, the American family, to a more traditional time, I think one of the most interesting things we found in our book was the role that abortion plays. Of course, abortion is about the right to terminate a pregnancy and when a woman can legally do that.

But it also has this great symbolism in American life. It sort of symbolizes for people morality and religion and medicine and of course politics and gender roles and all these really big things and so if you want to understand where this election might be going and it really if you want to understand where the country might be going the story of the fall of row is one way to understand that I guess you you you articulate that that row is taken on such a larger yeah it's not just one thing anymore was that always the case or is there can you pinpoint point you you you that you that th you that really the th you th you th you th you th th th the the th the th the th th the the th th th th the th the the the th th the th the th the th. thi thi. the. the. the. the. tho. tho. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. thee. theeee. the. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. thing anymore. Was that always the case or is there, can you pinpoint when that really started to pick up steam? Well, look, our book starts in 2013, which is right when Obama ran one re-election, and it's also when conservative Christians became a slight minority in

America. So this is a group that felt that they were losing their holds on American life, losing their sort of traditional power in American life, and I think abortion rights were one way that they thought they could sort of return the country to where it was before. So it is this larger fight and we're seeing that play out now in sort of efforts around IVF, around some forms of contraception. This is of course about abortion, but it's about so much more than just abortion. One of the things that I really appreciated about this book is you go through the backstories of all of these characters. You don't paint them as heroes and villains. You talk about Leonard Leo from the Federalist Society

and talk about how he personally was affected, what formed his fate. Leonard Leo devout Catholic, obviously, legal mastermind. But the story that motivated him the most tho, is tho, is tho, is tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, their, their, their, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, the back, but the story that motivated him the most is the death of his daughter when she was 14. Their first born daughter had a very difficult prenatal diagnosis. They decided to give birth and raise her. And when we talked with him, he talked a lot about suffering and his views motivated by Catholic theology, about suffering

and salvation in the human experience. And so for him, that really shaped not only how he wanted to run his own family, but how he sees how the entire country and world should be structured. For a lot of these anti-abortion activists, those two worlds are intertwined. This isn't a story that you can understand just through politics or just through religion. These are intertwined stories and I think that's part of what we really tried to get out at the book was tell those intertwined stories in a way that reflected sort of

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that's reasonable, right? It's really hard to believe that this right that people had for generations could vanish and because of theee the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their the. the. their the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the their their theanananananananananananananananananan. their their their their the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail the fail their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. theanes. theanes. that's that that that that were theanananananananananananananananananananananes. that were that were that you know, they would always go out, Democratic candidates, and warn about threats to Roe or Roe could fall. And people just didn't believe them. Like, we have in the book tons of polling and focus groups where the issue just didn't resonate with people, because they didn't believe it would happen. And so it's hard to see and prevent something that you don't think is happening, right? And then, of course, they got very, very unlucky. Trump won, and he got three appointments to Supreme Court, unheard of since Ronald Reagan.

And there becomes a point, a turning point, where the march to end row effectively becomes unstoppable for Democrats and the abortion rights activists. There's the, you know, part of the civil rights activists were rooted in the Christian community. What, where's the disconnect? Why have liberals not been able to connect with the Christian community since then? Well, conservative Christians figured out that this wasn't really about cultural opinion in a majority of Americans supported abortion rights for, you know, for decades, but for them, this was, uh, thi, their their, their, the, where, what, what, what, what, what, what, w, w, w, w, w, where, w, where, where, w, w, w, where, w. their, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where their, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, what, what, what, what, what their, what their, what their, what their, where, where, where, where, w. their, where, w. their, where, w. their, w. their, w. their, where, where, where, w. their, where, where, where, where, their, where, their, their, their, their, their, their, where's their, where's their, where's, where's their, where's, where's, where's, where's, where's, where's, where's, where's, where's, where, where, where, where, where, where, where abortion rights for, you know, for

decades. But for them, this was about finding ways to pull the levers of power, right? You can kind of do all the moral conversation, education that you want on either side of this, but if you don't have power, you can't do anything. So they figured out exactly what levers, where in the country, at what levels of government from the smallest Statehouse lobbyists all the way up to the presidency, the Supreme Court, and they identified them, they pulled them, and then they're able to change the culture that way, right, instead of having culture change the law. Yeah, look, I think we think of politics as working one way, right? People protest, public opinion changes, politicians respond, the culture changes. This is a really different kind of story. This is, you know, a majority

of America supported rope for decades. But these activists on the right, these conservative Christian activists were able to seize controls of these levers of power and change the culture effectively through force. Now, take a step back into what's happening now. We see the Republican platform seems to be softening on abortion, at least not articulating that they want a federal ban. We see what happened with Mifapristone at the Supreme Court. Do you see a recalculation happening? Two different things are happening at once here, right? Like obviously Trump and a lot of Republican leaders see that this is now a losing issue for them.

I mean, Roe was a foundation for so long. Republicans were able to use it in a certain way to motivate key parts of their base. And that's obviously really changed. But, you know, now, things we think of as maybe losses for the anti-abortion movement, they're able to reframe and see them as wins, right? I mean, even the platform can be doing whatever it's doing, right? But they're in their minds. But they're on the ground thinking in these generational long-term, thii.

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So we're seeing that as attention, but this is a movement that cannot be undercounted. They accomplished one of the biggest political resurgence this country has ever seen, and under the noses of people, many of whom just weren't paying attention. Where do you feel, where do we go from here? I mean, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their to their their their their to their their their to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their,. And under the noses of people, many of whom just weren't paying attention. Where do you feel, where do we go from here? I mean, are women going to have to just run for president and have presidential immunity in order to legally have an abortion movement? Is that where we are?

Is that how they are? Well, I mean, it is worth pointing out that many of the most prominent figures in the anti-abortion movement are women, that there was a strategy to put women at the front of that movement. I think, you know, I've asked a lot of abortion rights activists like that very question. What happens now? It took 50 years for a row to fall? How many years? to tak for it to return and nobody knows it's an unanswerable question but nobody's saying one year, nobody's saying five years, this is 10 years, this is 20 years, there's

no magic wand you know President Biden talks about restoring row. There's no way to do that without a margin in the Senate that feels almost impossible unless they overturn the filibuster and then all agree on what that looks like which as we know about the Senate that's an extremely high barred I'm clear. So there's no easy answer here. There's not some thing that can just snap back in place and row returns. I think the country is in for many more decades of wrangling over this issue. For the disheartened folks who see this story. What can they take away?

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in the way that Republicans had? I mean, it was just a case. Yeah, that was okay. Now we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we th we th we th we th we th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I mean, yeah. Do you need to answer? Tell me. Oh, yeah. Now we know. Now we know. We've answered that. I mean, this is asymmetrical warfare. It has been for a very long time.

And there's a real question, even people like Hillary Clinton told us that the Democrats just don't have their side. So there's an open question as to, are they thinking just in election cycles or are they thinking about one generation, two generations from now? Well, we so appreciate all of the work that you're doing and you being on here tonight. We're still hopeful that there will be your next book,

the re-rise of Roe, putting out a... All the good prayer to get the good prayers for that. Get the sequel going. Thank you so much for being here. The phone the row is available now, Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lerrer. We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back up. streaming soon on Paramount Plus. This is Dr. Frazier Crane. I'm listening. He's back again.

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