The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Hunter Biden Verdict Ignites GOP Conspiracies | Jeremy O. Harris
Episode Date: June 13, 2024Jordan Klepper reports on Fox News and the GOP's conspiratorial reactions to Hunter Biden’s felony conviction and why Nathan’s Hot Dog Eating Contest is barring its world champ, Joey Chestnut. Plu...s, Desi Lydic weighs in on the Republican Party’s perennial unhappiness. Charlamagne Tha God also stops by to argue that Democrats need to be more direct in their messaging if they want to win. And Jeremy O. Harris, playwright of the critically acclaimed “Slave Play,” discusses his directorial debut with the new HBO documentary “Slave Play. Not a Movie. A Play” and how he used the film as a platform for “theater supremacy.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Tonight, Hunter Biden is officially a convicted criminal and Republicans are somehow still mad.
So let's get into headlines.
Let's get into headlines.
Let's kick things off with July 4th. It's right around the corner, which means it's almost time for the Nathan's hot dog eating
contest.
The beautiful tradition where families gather to watch UPS drivers from New Jersey, scarfed
down hot dogs in 95 degree heat and then vomit behind the Wonder Wheel.
But this year, one big name won't be abusing his digestive system for our pleasure.
Joey Chestnut will not compete in the Nathan's famous hot dog eating contest next month.
The perennial champion has been banned from the 4th of July event because of his reported
sponsorship deal with the competing brand named Impossible Foods.
Last night on X, Chestnut said he was gutted to learn that after 19 years, he has been banned from the contest.
Chestnut's endorsement deal with Impossible Foods,
a Nathan's rival that makes vegan hot dogs just doesn't cut the mustard.
Oh.
Come on, Nathan's, you're gonna ban Joey Chestnut just for taking a sponsorship deal.
He's got a family to feed and feed and feed and feed and feed.
And if you don't know, Chestnut, he's the absolute king of this event.
He holds the record of eating 76 hot dogs in 10 minutes, and they kicked him out,
just for sponsoring a vegan hot dog.
By the way, the world record for eating vegan hot dogs, two and a half.
Frankly.
Anyway, let's talk about the fallout from the big political story in the news.
Yesterday, Hunter Biden was convicted of lying about his drug use when he filled out paperwork
to buy a gun. Can I just say, how weird is it that in the past couple of weeks,
Hunter Biden and Donald Trump were convicted of lying on paperwork?
I mean, this country really does draw the line at filling out forms correctly.
The next time I show up at a doctor's appointment, I'm going to make sure my sign-in
time is on the fucking dot.
So, Hunter Biden has been convicted on all counts.
And may even spend time in prison.
I can only imagine that Republicans spent last night celebrating
and until the sun came up.
Just because one Democrat was convicted doesn't mean the American legal system isn't
being abused.
Marjorie Taylor Green tweeting quote, Hunter Biden just became the deep state
sacrificial lamp to show that justice is balanced while the other Biden crimes remain ignored.
Hunter is them sacrificing a useless pawn.
Everybody knows what this trial with Hunter Biden was about.
This is about smoke and mirrors. This is the red herring.
This is a distraction. This is part of a cover up. This is part of a running protection racket from the
highest levels of the US government downward to protect the Biden family.
This is the decoy that they can say there's equal justice under the law, but it's all nonsense.
Don't go for it.
Don't let them sell you.
I understand exactly what's happening.
Okay, I don't want to make any assumptions about a guy's drug use, but if I was Don Jr. I would not try to buy a gun in Delaware. Here's a genuine question for Maga World. Can you guys rest the conspiracy
mongering for just a second and squeeze a beat of joy out of this? I mean my God you're
all so miserable. The last time a Republican had fun was when she was kicked out of the
Beetlejuice musical.
I mean, think about this.
Think about this.
Your political enemy's son is headed to prison and your mind immediately jumps to,
he's just taking the fall for Joe Biden.
Let me tell you something. Nobody is taking the fall for Joe Biden. He
falls plenty on his own. Thank you very much. Just take the W. When Donald Trump was convicted,
you didn't see Democrats going, I bet this is just a distraction from the classified documents
case, or the January 6th case, or the Georgia racketeering case, or the E. Jean Carroll
Carroll case, the insurance fraud case. No, Democrats were celebrating.
I was in a Brooklyn Whole Foods when the verdict came down. People started fucking in
the Bolt Grain's Isle.
For more on the Republican reaction, we go live to the Delaware courthouse with Desi Leidick.
Desi.
Desi.
Desi.
Republicans have been demanding that Hunter Biden be sent to prison and now they might
actually get that wish.
I'm surprised Republicans aren't happier about this.
Oh, Jordan, you sweet little doe-eyed fawn.
Republicans aren't happy because they know that Hunter Biden
is a sacrificial lamb being offered up by Joe Biden
to distract everyone while he consolidates his nefarious powers
to do socialism.
So Republicans will only be happy when Joe Biden himself gets arrested then?
Oh Jordan, you dear face little dumb dumb.
Joe Biden would love to be in federal prison.
Biding his time, chain smoking on the toilet, consolidating his nefarious powers to do socialism,
all while helpless Donald Trump rules from the White House.
It's all part of the plan.
Wait, wait.
The Democrats' plan is for Joe Biden to go to prison while Donald Trump becomes president?
That does not make any sense to me.
Well, of course it doesn't, because you're too busy rummaging for nuts and berries and
this sun-soaked meadow as you gallop right into the Joe Biden's smokescreen. Okay, I get it, I'm a beautiful dear. Understood.
So when will Republicans finally be happy? When Joe Biden wastes away in prison and
dies, leaving Donald Trump dictator for life, then, then will they be happy?
Yeah, that would be great for Joe Biden?
Now he gets to be a ghost unmoored by the laws of physics and time, able to consolidate
his nefarious powers across multiple dimensions for socialism?
So just to be clear, Joe Biden's master plan is to die while Donald Trump becomes a dictator.
Oh my god, you're missing the whole point, Jordan. This was never about Joe Biden.
He's just a red herring for the real mastermind, Barack Obama.
He's just sitting pretty in Hawaii, waiting for multi-dimensional Joe Biden to consolidate his ghost power.
Okay, oh, okay, so, so now Obama is the one that has to be locked up. Oh, sure, if you want to get a mid-a the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole th. th. thi whole to get thi-d. thi-d. thi-s thi-s thi-s. thi- thi- thoom- th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi-in. thi-in. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. th. ghost power. Okay, oh, okay, so, so now Obama is the one that has to be locked up.
Oh, sure, if you want to get a mid-level guy, because he's just a red herring for George
Soros.
And who is he a red herring for?
Hillary Clinton.
Okay.
And she's a red herring for...
Hunter, Biden. See, it looks like, it seems to me that every times, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to thi, thi, thi, to be, to to to to to to to to to be, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to to to the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the thi. the thi. thi. toooooooooo. too. too. too, too. to me that every time something that Republicans want actually happens, they
just find some other conspiracy that keeps them in the pole position of victimhood.
Why can't they just be happy?
Jordan, if Republicans are happy they can't raise money.
What's the email going to say gonna say? Hey everything's great send us
five bucks? Come on. Get out of here you tick-infested family mother-fixie.
Desiweigne everybody when we come back, Charlottes and the gods will be here.
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Welcome back to Daly's Show.
We all know I've got great opinions, but I'm not the only one.
Welcome to Daily Show.
We all know I've got great opinions, but I'm not the only
one. Studies show that other people also have opinion. So, here with another installment
of In My Opinion is our good friend, Charlemagne the God.
Yeah.
Hey, listen man, Democrats have a problem.
It's not their policies, it's not their fundraising, it's not that Joe Biden started buffering
at the Junetee Party.
No, no, the problem they have is their messaging.
Or to say a planar, it's how they talk.
Nobody wants to hear the normal political voice anymore.
I'll give you an example. Republicans made abortion illegal in half the country, which is horrible. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not th. It's not th. It's not. It's not th. It's th. It's th. It's their their their their their their their their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's not. It's not thi. It's not theeeeeeeeate. It's not theeate. It's not the. It's not their their their their the hear the normal political voice anymore. I'll give you an example. Republicans made abortion illegal in half the country,
which is horrible.
It should be a winning issue for Democrats,
but here's how Democrats talk about it.
Let me say it again.
Past laws restoring the protection of Rovi weight for women in every state.
That's what can be done under this, even under the job decision.
Every senator must take a stand.
If you agree, all Americans deserve access to contraception,
then vote yes on the right to contraception act.
This Friday, June 7th, will be 49 years, uh, since there was a decision made in the, uhthe in the in the in the role versus
Wade question.
Gras why is this sentence taking you 49 years to say?
How about try this instead?
These religious nut-ass Republicans want to force you to have a baby. Period. The end that's it. But I know I know I know. Politicians aren't supposed to talk the, in the the, in the, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in the, in the, in the, in the, in, in the, in the, in the, in the, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in this instead? These religious, nut-ass Republicans want to force you to have a baby.
Period.
The end, that's it.
But I know, I know politicians aren't supposed to talk that way, but they should.
In fact, before Democrats even worry about explaining their side of an issue, they need to
learn something more basic, how to talk like real people. And I'm sure that's possible because you know who's that's that's that's that's that's tho's tho's that's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's thoes th possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And I'm sure that's possible because you know who's good at it?
Toastnut-ass Republicans.
The Biden administration sucks.
They're communists.
They're radical left Democrats.
They're sick people.
There were riots burning down the fucking country over George Floyd.
And I'm really sick and tired of the bullshit annex I have to deal with constantly. You see that? You see that?
Congress could pay off the whole deficit by giving Marjorie Taylor Green a
swejar. Yeah. And yes I know Marjorie Taylor Green is a whole fool's
market but that's authentic okay that's real America. That's what a waffle house
sounds like at 3 a three a., okay, that's real America. That's what a waffle house sounds like at 3 a.m.
Okay?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
That's making a scene at Ann Taylor Loft
because you can't make a return without the receipt.
Same with Donald Trump.
He is a guy who knows what he wants and knows how to get it.
The message is terrible, but it's clear. When he says, build the wall-upupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupupup, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yes, he wants and knows how to get it. The message is terrible, but it's clear.
When he says, build the wall, lock her up, I hate sharks.
No one goes, I wonder what he means.
Okay?
Folks appreciate when someone sounds authentic, even if their ideas are terrible.
But with Democrats, even when they talk about the good things they've done, it sounds fake. And I know that they're capable of sounding real. I talk to a lot of these politicians behind the scenes.
I hear how they speak when the mic's not on,
and it's two totally different people.
Take Hillary Clinton.
During the 2016 campaign, she sounded like this.
Now, there may be some new voices in the presidential Republican choir, but they're all singing the same old song, a song called
Yesterday.
You know the one.
All our troubles look as though they're here to stay.
And we need a place to hide away.
They believe in yesterday.
Yeah, Paul McCartney heard that and was like, John got the easy way out.
Here's the thing though, I've talked to Hillary behind the scenes and trust me.
She's a real human.
I know you won't believe this, but she can even say a great mother-feebuff.
Yes, I've heard it.
The way she says mother-feebles Samuel L. Jackson,
I'm telling you.
She should have used it in public like,
I'm sick and tired of my mother-
husband on Jeffrey Fstein's mother-fee plane! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yes.
Now, that Hillary, that Hillary would be at the end of her second term right now.
But Democrats only talk authentically when it slips out.
In fact, Dems had a viral moment in the House recently.
It started with Marjorie Teller Green doing what she does best,
but it ended with a Democrat.
Representative Jasmine Crockett finally clapping back.
A late night committee meeting devolved into chaos with members hurling insults at each
other. It quickly escalated into a heated back and forth after Republican Marjorie
Taylor Green mock Democrat Jasmine Crockett's eyelashes.
I guess you're fake eyelashes are messing up with the name.
Hocke later fired back with her own personal insults as chairman. I think your fake eyelashes are messing up with me.
Hocke later fired back with her own personal insults as chairman James Comer struggled to regain order.
I'm just curious, just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach-blind bad-built butchbody that would not be engaging in personalities, correct?
A what now?
A what now? A what now?
A what now?
A what now?
That would be a blea's blonde, bad-built,
butch body congressman, okay?
And you know what I love about this?
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it was homophobic, it was body shaming.
It was like the 90s were back.
Okay?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Now, Congresswoman Crockett had a great moment that went viral because she showed something
that the Democratic Party rarely ever shows, and that's courage. Yes. Well, look, hope is not lost. thiiiii. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It to to to to to to to to to the to to the their. It was, it, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was like, it was, it was, it was, it was like, it was like, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was. It was. It was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the Democratic Party rarely ever shows, and that's courage. Yes, but look, all hope is not lost. In fact, just recently, even Vice President Kamala
Harris showed a glimpse of her actual personality.
We have to know that sometimes people will open the door for you and leave it open, sometimes
they won't. And then you need to kick that door down.
That's right. That's right, Madam Vice President, kick that
door down. That's how you know she's still a cop. She's giving little girls a no-knock warrant.
Okay? And you know that type of talk is effective because conservatives immediately started
clutching their pearls about her lack of decorum.
Republicans are so hypocritical.
It's not okay for Kamala to say, F.
But it was cool for y'all to have a vice president named Dick for eight years?
I mean, this was Trump last week and a church with kids in the audience.
I don't like using the word bullshit in front of these beautiful children. So I won't say it.
My God, Donald, do you kiss your mistress with that mouth?
Look, I know this is all a little off-brand for liberals.
They love to say stuff like hate has no home here, but you could at least give hate a guest room or something,
all right?
Let hate keep a toothbrush in your bathroom.
And no, you should never hate someone for who they are.
But it's okay to hate them for what they do,
especially if what they do is hateful.
Okay?
Like it or not, this is the age of hate Drake, okay? Yeah. Kendrick said he hates the
way Drake walks, the way he talks, the way he dresses. And Kendrick won that beef. And
if Democrats want to win, they need to turn on the Kendrick. All right? Yes. Yes. Turn on
the Kendrick. Trump got a weird case. Why is he around? Whop, whop, whop.
Dem f'c.
Okay?
And good news for Democrats.
They have someone who can help them with their messaging.
When I heard Republican congressman Byron Donald say some wild shit about black families
and Jim Crowe, I knew just who to call.
Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, how are you?
I'm doing well. It's good to see you too. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to too. Now, a colleague from across the aisle, Byron Donald, recently said that black families
were better under Jim Crow, which was a period of forced racial segregation.
What would you say to that?
Yes, I'd say, is it okay for Uncle Tom, Uncle Ruckus, or maybe under this scenario, an uncle Clarence to try to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theck...eck. theck.eck.eck.eck.eck.eck.eck.eck.eck.eck.eck. toeck. that'sfeck. theck. theck. Black Clarence to try to tell us what it is to be black in
America, considering the fact that he is married to a white woman kind of like his uncle
Clarence.
That would not have been allowed.
So yeah, he probably needs to go back to the history books that they keep trying
to take out of our classrooms.
Mmm.
Whopp! Crop, whop, crock, them up! That's right. Tell me the God, everybody.
His new book, Get On Us or Die tie-Lyne, why Small Talk Sucks is available now.
When we come back, Jeremy O'Harris will be joining me on the show. Don't go away. Hey guys, this is Tom Segura. And I'm Bert Kreischer.
And you're listening to Two Bears One Cave, or you should be listening to Two Bears One Cave.
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My guest is the playwright of the critically acclaimed slave play.
It's making its directorial debut with the new HBO documentary, Slave Play.
Not a movie, a play.
Please welcome Jeremy O'Harris. First off, congratulations on your directorial debut.
I saw it last night.
It's fantastic for, now it's a movie based on a play.
For folks who didn't know, slave play, 12 Tony nominations. In a nutshell, what is slave,
play for people who didn't, I saw it, it's cool enough like myself to go see it.
You know, I say this in the't cool enough like myself to go see it.
You know, I say this in the dock and I'm going to keep saying it to the day I die.
I don't tell people what Slave Play is about.
I know, I know. Listen, it's more fun if you don't know if you're going a little confused,
but you can also just before the pandemic when it moved to Broadway and it was it was it was all the talk nobody would tell you what it
was about but people were angry people like it was great but it was something
that I think you found unity and that you pissed off people of all races absolutely
yes yeah I'm a Gemini so I'm an equal opportunity offender like people
people like can you say that here I don't know you can guy all the time. Can you say that here? I don't know. You can say whatever the hell you want.
Yes.
Great.
Right?
So you do slave play, right?
But then you make a documentary about slave play.
Why make a documentary and one night write a book?
Were you afraid Florida would ban it?
Oh, yes.
Absolutely.
I mean, actually, I knows? Most of the places I've been are banning the books. But no, I didn't want to make a documentary to begin with.
I didn't.
No, I literally, the title of the movie comes from an email I sent to a very big movie studio.
Not gonna say which one.
You can guess.
You can guess?
Can I guess?
Try.
Uh, Warder brothers? No, but they're like, we want to make Slai play into a movie. And another one was like, we want to make Slai play into a TV show.
And I said, Slai play is not a movie, period.
It is a play, period, and sent it.
And then when HBO, so here's the nitty gritty,
in 2020, our play left the golden theater because it was gonna close early.
Because another show was coming in, the hangman. Sorry, this is long, it's so stupid. Anyway, the hangman was coming in. We couldn't be in that theater anymore.
And then someone was like, hey, another played this on Broadway right now is going to close
early. So you can take that theater.
And we were like, what?
And they're like, yes.
You can sign the papers. An extra, like, I don't know, I'm gonna say a number, but it's probably not real, 50,000. And I was like, great, I just signed a deal with HBO.
HBO does documentaries.
My friend filmed the last day,
my friend was a very famous documentarian.
He had filmed our last performance.
I was like, what if the documentary?
I was like, what if the documentary? they're like, oh, it's so, th, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I, I, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th the, the, the, the, the, the, to do this little hat trick documentary and I signed the papers and they gave us some money and then March 15th happened and I was stuck in a home in, I was stuck
in a place in Finsbury Park in London.
I was, I had a COVID in London.
That's lovely.
I'm very British of you.
Guys, I only did it because I didn't want to be in an alien environment. I didn't want to be like, I didn't to see like, you, you, you, you, you, you, to be, you, to be, you, you, to be, to be, you, you, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was in a, I was, I was, I was, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, I was stuck, I was stuck, I was stuck, I was a, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was a, I was a, I was a. I was a. to, I was a. to, in a. to. to. to. to. toa. toa. toa, I was a. toa. toa. toa, I was a toa. toa. toa, I was a. to. to. to. Street empty. Like, that would be, that would actually mean I was in a horror movie. If you don't see those weird little upside down buses, like, on the street, you don't know
that it's, that it shouldn't be there, you know?
Wait, do you think double-decker buses are upside-down?
They look a little upside-down. I'd be like, like, if someone made a double-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th-s-a-s-a-a-a-a-s-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. like inside out like a toxic tubic. You are full of shit.
Anyway, so then um, 2021 comes around HBO calls and they're like, hey, we wrote a check
for your, for you to write this documentary. You cash the money during 2020. Where's the dock? And I was like, oh, yeah, got it. I'm supposed to make a doc. And so then the next, the last, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. the, th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. 20, th. 20, th. 20, t. 20, t. 20, t. 20, t. 20, t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t supposed to make a doc. And so then the next, the last three years, I've been learning how to make a movie by making this doc.
And the doc is just, it is just theater supremacy.
Like I end, I say it's not a movie, it's a play.
And the whole, spoiler alert for my movie, guys.
The end of the movie basically articulates why plays are better than movies. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I know, listen, and as I say there,
one art form is new and one art form is old.
We've only been making movies since the beginning of the 20th century.
They're already trying to take that away from us.
They're trying to get computers to make them now.
So, I'm like, they're not gonna get computers to make plays.
People barely see them. plays and changing lives of people everywhere. And speaking of which, hold on, no, no, this is a lot. But I'm producing a player right now. It's called Invasive Species. It's at
the Vineyard Theater and I want to give you this hat. I've got merch. Merch. Go to a play.
Have your mind changed and leave with some freaking merch, invasive species. Yeah. I love it. Now you do, you do articulate in the movie why you love the theater, right, right, right, the movie, the movie, the movie, the movie, the movie, the movie, the movie, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the movie, the movie, the movie, and, the movie, the movie, the, and, the, and, the, the, and, the, and, the, the, and, the, and, and, and, the, and, the, and, the, and, the, the, and, and, the, and, the, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, the the the the, the the, the, the, the the, and, and, the the, and, the the, and, the the, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the movie why you love theater, right? And I will say, we talked a little bit backstage,
and it is true, I went to go see Slayplay with my wife
and a friend, and we left Slayplay,
and we were like, we need to go talk about this.
And you don't get that with a lot of,
a lot of experiences, right?
We really make space to actually try to parse the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning the meaning is, what it meant to us. And I think sleigh play was one that pushed a lot of buttons,
but started a lot of conversations.
Like, yes, you are a theater supremacist.
But you are-
Is the only supremacist you can be?
It's a good one, right?
Yeah, if you're gonna pick one.
But how do you still use the medium of film to start those conversations. Well, I mean, I think that like one of the things that I grew up on was like this sort of theatrical ephemera that like sort of created a generation of people who like theater.
I mean, the people who are watching the plays on Broadway right now are all a golden
generation of people who are the same age as every congressman and senator, meaning that like, sure, they're not long for this earth. And they're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, a generation, a generation, a generation, their, a generation, a generation, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the they were seeing plays, they were also going home and watching television shows or hearing radio plays on the thing,
and theater was everywhere around them.
We had, you know, we had a taste of it
was like inside the actress studio
or like those amazing like Udahogging videos
of her like talking to weird actors
and smoking in the room. And like there were, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you, you, like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, like, like, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you, you, like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, like, you know, actors struggling and failing in front of you to make the company soundtrack.
Company was a failure on Broadway but they made a documentary about it
when it came out because people care about the ephemera of theater.
What happened when live people got together and did a thing right?
And now the only time we do that we care about you guys, you guys are great.
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experience outside of just S&L, The Daily Show, you know, Mad TV when it was here.
You know, we should care about, we should care about the people in, in Oklahoma, who
like are gathering around to tell the story of Black Wall Street in a play in the middle of Tulsa,
because that play, it might seem small, it's not as big as a movie, it won't be seen
by 200 million people, but the 200 people a night that see that play will leave talking about
it.
What do you think that is though? I mean, I tot space together, which we also get in movie theaters, and people still talk about how horror films do so well
because you have this shared fear in a space,
some comedy films do well in that sense.
Or is it the fact that film has gotten so good
at replicating reality or taking us to feats of fantasy,
and that theaters still live space for imagination, that we can't thine the thine thine thine thine they......,
and that theater still lives space for imagination, that we can't fill in the gaps?
Like, where do you see the special sauce in that?
I think that like, so there are definitely filmmakers
and films that like don't ask you
to have a passive imagination.
A lot of films do though.
Yeah.
I think a film that required you to like,
you le in their passivety was like zone of interest from last year, right? A movie that like made, like you're in that movie
and he's holding on to you tight.
And he's like, you better watch and make sense of all this.
And fill in the blanks yourself, right?
Because there's a lot on the corners you had to fill in.
Most movies don't give you that space.
They don't the audience enough. If I'm going to play and I tell you that I'm going to Mars, you'll believe it, whether there's special effects doing it or not, because I've just told you, I'm going to Mars.
And you have to buy it.
Because that's like the contract you signed and you're going to the theater.
Again, that's why a lot of people don't like it.
It can be bad.
Like, see, see, see someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone. an invitation to the audience and we all have to agree on the inherent silliness of believing
something.
Yes, right?
And but that conversation, that belief inside of a micro community, right?
It's so necessary for the, for political change in my opinion.
Because I think that when you, when you, when you've, when you've worked really hard
to see the same thing with a bunch of people around you, when you leave, you want to engage with them to talk about how the ideas inside of the thing you just saw or whatever can be tangibly made manifest in reality and not just in this
fantasy you've engaged.
Do you see that, do you see that as possible in film or wider art forms that wider artforms
that can reach more people? Is somebody dropping the ball on that?
Like do we, are we not engaging the ability to use some of these other art forms to have these
conversations to enact more political today?
I think people are doing it all over.
I mean, like, there's amazing painters, amazing performance artists, amazing musicians who
are getting like, you know, Mustafa the poet just made this amazing song, their, I think is galvanizing an entire community of people around like thinking about Gaza in a different way on a musical level, right?
I think that like one of the things that, um, one of the things I don't want us to lose though,
is like in our, in our, in the ease of Netflix and and Max and whatever whatever channel you're
watching this on, I don't know, you might be streaming it, streaming, stealing, whatever, whatever, streaming, streaming it. Or you're watching it, linear, common central, thank you very much.
But no matter how you might have gotten this, I don't want the other tools in our toolbox
as a society to get lost along the way because this is easier, right?
Like going to a theater is hard. Getting 40 people together to make a thing happen every night for weeks is difficult.
You know?
And yet, it's a necessity because I think it helps us see,
an imagine in a different way.
And the same way that a painting helps you see an imagine a different way.
The same way, like, a novel helps you see and imagine a different way than a poem.
And what a poem can do in 40 words is like so delicious.
You don't want that to fall away just because like, I don't know, we can tweet now.
Right.
I mean, which is still pretty fun.
And it's so fun.
And it's so fun.
I'm curious.
Slay play is about to open in London.
Yes. Right. And there's been a little drama in London. Oh God. I try not to talk about this. Well you're on TV now man, buckle up. I did. I did give you the hat.
So I think you did, so, so sorry.
You think we have that reach?
You think we really are speaking in London?
I don't know, listen, this is television.
It's not theater, it can go everywhere.
Go speak to London.
Hi, London.
I am so, so sorry that my BBC interview about know why. I didn't do it to cause any ire, but I do think that
both in America and in the UK, thinking about the architecture of who's in your audience
matters, right? Having an audience of people, like, this is what comedians do every time.
They have someone come on and warm up the audience and they warm them up specifically, right? Like, if you're going to do like an audience of like college.... Yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the there to know what kind of humor gets them going, right?
Yes.
I think that we have to think about the architecture
of the audiences that we've invited into a play.
My play, London, is a really intense play about race,
trauma, colonization, et cetera.
And because of that, when you are a black person or a brown person in that audience, it can feel complex to sit next to a white person.
Now that complexity was a part of the play.
I wanted that.
I love a mixed audience.
That's how I grew up.
That's how the play is a mixed play.
Yet, I had an audience member ask me, what would this feel like to see the show
with only black people, can you give me that? And I said, why not? It'll only be one or two nights. So we did two nights where I only invited black people.
Now, you could come if you wanted. Tanya Pinkins brought a white friend. She was like, I wanted
to know what it's like when I go see a checkoff play. And I was like, that's great. But it was mainly black people. It was like, you know, the kid, the kid, the kid, the kid, the kid, the kid, the kid, the kid, the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. It's, thi. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, the the th. It's t. It's t. I. I's t. I was, t. I was, toooooooooooooooooes. It's toes. It's toes. It's t. It was Kiki Palmer was there. It was like, you know, my, the kid from NYU that DM me
the night before being like, me and all the black student union
want to come.
And it was the first time that I saw my play.
And everyone, everyone in the audience,
laughed when I was writing it, which was crazy.
Because when you see my play. Yeah. And I tho'n, the the the the the their their their their their th, th, th, th, th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, thee, that, that, th. that, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the, the, the the the, the, the the the the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the and, the and, the and, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, tean, tean, tean, tean, thee, thee, the the the of times the white people are nervous about when they're laughing
and when black people are nervous when they're laughing.
And no one wants to give the other people permission to laugh.
Because like you see someone laughing, you're like, what's you laughing?
And then you laugh and they're like, why are they laughing?
And it's like, you, that's crazy. Thanks, guys, this has been fun. You're all so indeed, I mean, I think what you're,
when you're speaking to is something that there is a play that's happening on stage.
Yes.
Right, but what is also compelling in this experience is the tension that we're experiencing
in the theater.
And if we're given the space to articulate that and think through what we are feeling based on what we're seeing other people react to that and of itself is a separate performance and you're
trying to curate that in a different lens. Well that's how I came up with the
play. Why did you tell F. London that? Why? Because I didn't, you did it? You did it? You did, you? But at Yale when I did this way the way to the way. I should th. I put put put put put it th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that that that that that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the play. the the the the the play. the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. that long. So sequel. They go on sequel. Yeah, it'll be in the extra bits
on HBO Max. But when we did it at Yale, it was the first time, I was the woke class at Yale.
Like the class where they told us this is the most diverse we've ever had a student body at Yale.
They're like, for the first time ever, yeah, there's a same number of men and women in the class of actors who were like, what? In 2016, they're like, absolutely.
Were they saying that while they were patting themselves on the back?
Absolutely, absolutely.
And no shades of my teachers, they were great.
They were trying, they were trying, whatever.
We had a lot of people of color and women, and women for their women, again, for their thiiiii and their their first, for years, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, their, their, their, their, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they............................. they're, and, and, and, and, and, and, they're. they're. they're. they're, they're, they're, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying, they're saying. they're had as many women as men, you know why? Why?
Not as many roles for women.
They're like, what are we going to do with all those women?
There's not no roles.
Instead of just saying, why don't we find plays where there are, or invite writers to write more
for women by just having an influx of them?
Yep. They just said, it's Uncle Vanya.
It's not Ann Vanya.
Keep moving.
But at Yale, one of the cool things
and interesting things about going to Yale
is that you're in a community.
You're in a full town called New Haven,
where there are people who saw Le all the students plays, the student body, it's also a bunch of like older,
mainly white people who have seen every play
that's ever been at Yale watching the plays too.
And my play was in a three quarter thrust.
And when slave plays started,
because it was so small, you could see everyone seeing everything.
So imagine seeing like 30 young black brown kids right here.
And then right across the road from them also lit also, the lights, the lights, the lights, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the across the road for them also lit by the lights like 50 older white people just like looking and like and the laughs
are like ha ha ha ha ha and then everyone gets really nervous and scared and then
people felt implicated because they're like why are they looking at me so much I'm like,
why are they looking at me so much I was like they're looking at the play? They're looking at the play and so when we did the when we were were were were were were were lo. they were were were? they were? they were? they were. they were. they were. I I I I was. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they're like. they were. they were. they were. they were. they were. they're like. they're like. they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I. I. I. I. the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the. they. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. looking at the play, but it looks like they're looking at you because they're looking right here. And so when we did the, when we were doing the play, I was like, the play has to happen
in the round.
It has to happen in the round.
And New York City Workshop was like, we can't afford the round.
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first time you see it you'll be squirming. You won't like it. It'll be like, I don't know,
I feel about this. But then the second time you come, the third time you come, you get to watch everyone else. You get to watch. I. to watch. the to watch. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's. It's. It's fun. It's fun. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. It's great for me because I can just watch myself. Oh, I mean, but look at you, you look so great.
Thank you very much.
Those blue eyes.
It's beautiful, right?
They are.
They are. You get lost in.
This is this guy.
See, these are the types of conversations.
The documentary Slavouwhe. Also, go see Invasive Species. This is Jeremy O'Hares. I'm going to take a quick one.
We're right back today.
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But you're listening to Two Bears One Cave. We are on Spotify. And we are not smart. That's an understatement.
But you'll have a lot of fun hopefully I think you might enjoy it if you give us a listen. If you got your perfect blood work
back from your doctor and you have full permission to tie one on, make sure
you check out Two Bears One Cave. It's with me, Tom Segura and my co-host.
Bert Kreiser. The machine. My shirt's off.