The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jon Stewart on Why Trump Wants Biden Back So Badly | Mark Cuban

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Donald Trump is facing a hard fight against Kamala Harris. Jon Stewart looks at Trump's half-hearted attempts to adjust to the new challenge and wonders if he's hatching a devious plan to help Biden t...ake back the nomination, January 6th style. Plus, entrepreneur and minority owner of the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks, Mark Cuban, joins Jon to discuss disrupting the healthcare industry as co-founder of Cost Plus Drug Company. They discuss Silicon Valley’s goals of anointing Trump as CEO of America and serving as board members, the unpredictable future of AI, and how drug price transparency has changed the future of our healthcare system.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:09 Boom! Wow! Hey everybody, welcome to the Dallas show! My name is John Stewart and I am risen from COVID hell. First timer, first timer did not care for it. I do also want to welcome in all of our viewers who are probably joining us from X after watching an amazing and surprisingly life-affirming conversation between Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
Starting point is 00:02:50 You know, when they started quoting their favorite Maya Anjulu passages to each other, my interpretation the caged bird is singing for Bitcoin. We do have a great joke for you tonight. Mark Cuban is going to be joining us later. And, you know, we mentioned earlier, on this program occasionally, we do make fun of Donald Trump. Occasionally. And with the ribbing and the joshing and the Pulling the pants down and the
Starting point is 00:03:32 Pointing but he He's in pain right now Multiple sources tell the Washington Post, Trump has grown increasingly upset about Harris's surging poll numbers. The Trump is quote complaining relentlessly. Posting multiple times on social media clearly frustrated with Biden's decision to step aside saying quote now we have to start all over again. Not fair! Jesus! A month ago, he was basically already the F. President. He had cheated death, started a new ear
Starting point is 00:04:11 accessory trend. Back then people thought his VP selection was a smart choice. He had it all in a bag and was taken away. He was perfect on the beam. He nailed the dismount, he was walking to the podium to get his medal and F, Romania files an inquiry at the last minute. Right at the last minute. And they're just stealing it from it. And by the way, Romania, file all you want. You're not getting that metal back. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:04:46 I'm not getting it back. Oh, I'm sorry. We have an inquiry. Yeah, good luck. But now, instead of enjoying the fruit of six years of Biden attacks, Trump's got to start all over again. And the audience has to literally sit through him getting up to speed. There are numerous ways of saying her name.
Starting point is 00:05:10 You can say Kamala. You can say Kamala. Kama'a' Kama'a'amla. Trump misspelled Harris's first name as Kamabla. I get Kamala. I get Kamala. Kamala. Kamala? Judges, are we taking Kamabla?
Starting point is 00:05:39 Judges, are we taking Kamabla? Oh. Oh. What? I hope the Romanians don't have a problem with that. But you know what, I guess what Trump calls her isn't as important as figuring out what she is. I don't know, is she Indian or is she black? She was Indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went, she became a black person.
Starting point is 00:06:07 What am I gonna do? With all my Indian ethnic slurs I was gonna use. And mostly involved turmeric and cumin. But she made a turn into black. He talks about it like she wandered into the wrong neighborhood. She was driving on the upper west side and then boom she's in Harlem. Boom with a turn. You know what, Donald, you're clearly struggling.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Let's get some issue-oriented ideas flowing here. You know what, Donald, you're clearly struggling. Let's get some issue-oriented ideas flowing here. You know what we're going to do? Come on, my brother. I'm going to help you out. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to do, we're going to do some. We're going to do some...
Starting point is 00:06:56 Apparently I'm in a musical about gambling all this. I don't know. Yeah, da da da da. All right, here we go. I got my pen, I got my pad, I got my visor. Forget the biographical stuff for now. Let's focus on the issues. I saw it yesterday on ABC, they said, oh, the crowd was so big. And I've spoken for the single-issue crowd-sized voter. I'd move on but oh, you've got more.
Starting point is 00:07:42 I had a hundred and seven thousand people in New Jersey you didn't report it. I'm so glad you asked. What does she have yesterday? 2,000 people we had in Harrisburg 20, 25,000 people and 20,000 people couldn't get in. We had so many, nobody ever mentions that. When she gets 1,500 people they said oh the crowd was so big. I have 10 times 20 times 30 times 30 times the th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi thi thi thi th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. thi thi to to to to to to to to to theeea to to to toea toea toea toea toea toea toea toea th the crowd was so big. I have 10 times, 20 times, 30 times the crowd size. I had an infinite crowd. One guy, she had one guy named Jeff. All right. It's very clear, you have everybody. She has nobody.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Can we move on? He wrote, has anyone noticed that Kamala cheated at the airport? There was nobody at the plane and she a-eyed it and showed a massive crowd of so-called followers but they didn't exist? He goes on to say she's a cheater, she had nobody waiting, and the crowd looked like 10,000 people. Oh my fucking God. Now, all right, for those of you at home were saying, like, oh, it sounds like he's losing his fucking mind.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Just because there's video and photographic evidence that Kamala Harris's crowd was real doesn't mean that it was real. And then you might say, oh well John I was actually there, I was in the crowd, and have you considered you're not real? Have you considered that? The point is this. Donald Trump doesn't need the fake news media and their AI crowdshots to win this thing. Because he's got inside information on Kamala Harris from someone she used to date. Well I know Willie Brown very well.
Starting point is 00:09:35 In fact, I went down in a helicopter with him. We thought maybe this is the end. We were in a helicopter, going to a certain location together. And it was an emergency landing but he told me terrible things about her. You were in a helicopter with former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, who famously dated Connell Harris, and while the helicopter was going down, as you were plunging to your imminent death, former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown turns to you and says, this might not mean anything to you now. But, do you, do you remember that lady I was going out with?
Starting point is 00:10:47 The prosecutor, well, before we die, I just want you to know, she's worst. Well, before we die, I just want you to know she's worst. I do not want to meet my maker without giving you that piece of information. If you survive you may need it. Oh my god! I got to tell you I'm sure a moment like that was seared not only into the memory of Donald Trump, but also into the memory of former mayor, Willie Brown. To be clear, you have never been on a helicopter at Wisconsin. No, I have not. Are you kidding me? I just assumed that he was on a helicopter at the black and he made a mistake and thought it was me.
Starting point is 00:11:44 What? What? What? What? That is so fucked up! That I'm sure that is not what happened. What are the chances Trump is just mixing up his black people? It seems that the African-American politician in question was not Kamla Harris's ex-former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown,
Starting point is 00:12:09 but rather this man, Nate Holden, a former Los Angeles City Council member who says he had a bumpy ride with Trump in 1990. Oh my God. Do you know what this means? Oh my God! Do you know what this means? Nate Holden, former Los Angeles City Council member, told Donald Trump as their helicopter was going down?
Starting point is 00:12:31 Nate Holden, former Los Angeles City Council member, told Donald Trump as their helicopter was going down. Bad things about Kamala Harris, that I guess Willie Brown had told him, if they knew each other? That is the only explanation, right? Told him, saying, quote, Willie is the short black guy living in San Francisco, I'm a tall black guy living in Los Angeles. I guess we all look alike.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Hey! Donald Trump is not racist. He just meets a lot of people on death helicopters. And he needs some pneumonic device help. If the chopper goes down, that's not Willie Brown. And then all that on the monic device. There's one. If the flight's not going great, you're probably riding with Nate. Look, people.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Look, people. They pulled the candidate, Trump was crushing. It's hard. You think you could write a new hour in a month? It's not easy. He's trying out some good catastrophizing on Harris. If Harris wins this election, you will quickly have a crash like in 1929. We could end up in World War III.
Starting point is 00:14:04 The suburbs will be overrun. Boom, that's what I'm talking about. Stock market crash, World War III, suburbs destroyed. It's fresh, it's new. We haven't heard. What was that? I'm sorry? If Biden got it, you'll have a stock market crash, the likes of 1929 or worse. A very real risk of World War III. They're going
Starting point is 00:14:26 to, in my opinion, destroy suburbia. This is just a remix? Dude, you can't just find and replace Biden with Kamala. That's lazy apocalyptic. Look man, if you want us to genuinely fear your opponent as the existential threat you'd like to make them out to be, you're going to have to do better than boilerplate, cut and paste shit. You're better than this, Donald. Joe Biden is a failed president. She was a failed vice president. The worst president in history.
Starting point is 00:14:56 He is incompetent. She's incompetent. Everything she's touched has turned to bad things. She can't talk. She can't talk. And in many ways, he's worse than Bernie. She's worse than Bernie. Low IQ. He's a low IQ individual. She happens to be really a low IQ individual. She really knows. She has a very low IQ.
Starting point is 00:15:19 This is bullshit, man. This is like when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when whenton John changed like three words and then pretended candle in the wind was always about Diana. It wasn't! Very disrespectful the problem. Here's the problem. Even when Trump does figure out how to come at Kamala, it's not really landing, because most of the time the bad stuff he's saying about her applies even more to him. If Kamala will lie to you so brazenly about Joe Biden's mental incapacity, then she will lie to you about anything.
Starting point is 00:16:08 She can never, ever be trusted. Yes, Donald Trump is telling America. Not to elect a liar. Donald Trump is saying that. I mean, for God's sake, he's like the Michael Jordan of lying. Or as Trump would say, it, the Willie Brown of Lyon. It's confused me. Look, I hate to say it.
Starting point is 00:16:38 I don't think Trump has gotten in him to go after Kamala Harris. He's been fighting Joe Biden for six years. It's all he knows. He misses the fight so much. He was still workshopping nicknames for Joe Biden this weekend. What do you like better? Doesn't batter anymore, but what do you like better? Crookie Joe or sleepy Joe? Sleepy Joe, crooked. This is sad. It's like seeing an old man talking to an empty spot on the bench. Then you realize, that's where his wife used to send.
Starting point is 00:17:18 He would give up everything for just one more moment. We cook it, Joe. I hear he's going to make a comeback at the Democrat convention. He's going to walk into the room, and he's going to say, I want my presidency back. I want another chance to debate Trump. I want another chance. He's not coming back. He's not coming back, Donald.
Starting point is 00:17:45 Hey, you know how I know? He's not coming back. We have a fucking camera on him. That's him. He's just sitting there at the beach, having an Arnold Palmer, you can hear him sighing over the waves. Does this look like a man marshalling his forces to take back the nomination?
Starting point is 00:18:11 Or filming a Corona commercial? He's finding his beach. It's over. There's only one way. That... The... Donald? Meet me a camera one. Hello, friend. May I call you Donald? I get it. You wanted to run against Joe Biden. Two old dudes going toe toe fungus.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Last hurrah, Rocky 12. It's not fair. Now you've got to run against someone who appears healthy. And youthful and happy, her vigor standing as a stark counterpoint to whatever front butt thing you have going on. And it's pretty clear that Biden isn't going to do what needs to be done to stop this steal. But someone I know loves stopping steals, right? Feeling me? Kamila Harris accepts the nomination next Thursday night, which means it may be time to get the gang together.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Storm the convention, pull in August 22nd! This time, on behalf of Joe Biden. All you need is thousands of supporters who have not yet been sent to jail yet for being part of the last mob. Or got sent to jail so early in the process, they're already out. If only there was a sign of the righteousness of this cause. A federal judge ruling the Department of Justice must return the spear and fur helmet belonging to Q&on Shaman, Jacob Chansley. Shaman!
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Starting point is 00:23:31 that's what right well Jail and Brunson now did you have any idea when when when Jail and Brunson was there and I'm sorrythe playoffs when, yeah, when Lugar got hurt. Did you have any idea that he would become this all-NBA phenomenon? He's undersized, he doesn't. His footwork is so phenomenal. No, no idea. I mean, he was talented, but he was picked in the second round. If everybody knew he would have been a top five pick.
Starting point is 00:24:01 I mean if you redraft that draft than Luca, he is a top three or five pick. That's amazing. It's crazy. Yeah, but more credit to him. He worked on it. Yeah, and he's, and it just seems like a phenomenal guy. And then decided to take a contract for less money than he could have made.
Starting point is 00:24:16 So let's talk politics. By the way now, you are in this interesting position in your career where you've sort of a bump. You are now, even though I think your leanings are probably you consider more independent, more libertarian, you are the left's favorite billionaire. You become, because, and I can't, I don't know if it's because there's a certain mellowing that occurs as you get older, or if this new sort of tech bro phenomenon is so dystopian in its formulation. Yeah, I mean, this is all who I've always been. I haven't been like the rich guy trying to act like a rich guy.
Starting point is 00:25:05 My friends are still my high school buddies, my college buddies, my rugby buddies. But watching what's happened in Silicon Valley is insane. Right. Right. It's not so much a support thing. It's more like a takeover thing. Trying to put themselves in a position to have as much control as possible. T they they they they they they they they the the the CEO of the United States of America, and they want to be the board of directors
Starting point is 00:25:25 that makes him listen to them. It's not a good thing. What is the ethos? Because it seems like in the old days of innovation, there was a certain amount of we're innovating the internet, we're taking things. Now it seems much more about this social engineering and transhumanism. And we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we are we we are going we we are going we and we are going we areism and we are going to join with computers and together eight of us are going to run everything.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Dominate, right? Is that the ethos you see? Yeah, I think they've got to go with yeah. You just said yeah. They've gotten to the point now where they feel like they should control the world, right? And that there should be a CEO in charge of everything. But because they have a good photo app? Because they're rich as f-foo right? You know, it's just like you get to that point sometimes where I think they've lost a connection to real world.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Is it boredom? Like is there a certain extent like if you're like a Bezos or one of those guys, you just, you've sold so many books that you're just like, I'm gonna live on Mars. Like, it's just... I think it's more of what's their next act, right? We've, like, we invented this, we did this, we created that. What can we do next? Somebody wants to go to right? Elon, and being one of those powerful people, he's trying to be the most influential man in the world. It sounds like a commercial, but literally, that's what Twitter is given. I've got to say, I think he might be that. I don't even think he's trying to be, when you talk about somebody who is setting up satellite links for war zones and also controlling discourse in the most important media platform.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I would think he is most powerful. Because Twitter is in almost every country, right? And so Twitter gives him the ability to connect to the Prime Minister, the head of every country in the world. That's right. And that person, whoever is in charge of that country, has an interest in what happens on Twitter. And what happens on Twitter because of the control algorithms being the biggest the the the the the the the biggest the biggest the biggest the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm the algorithm, the algorithm, the algorithm, the the the the the the the the the the the the thoooooos, thooooooooom, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, thi, and, thi.eeei.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea, thi.ea, thi. And what happens on Twitter, because of the control, the algorithms being the biggest user, is all dependent on Elon Musk.
Starting point is 00:27:27 He literally, wherever his thumb wants to go, he gets to push his hard. And certainly, I mean, he's transparent about where he wants things to go. I think he's very clear that civil war is inevitable. And that white people are under the guy. Right, it's, it's, you know, it'll be like, civil war is inevitable and then he'll write underneath there, hmm, you know, yeah. Kind of an understatement on there.
Starting point is 00:27:51 But, uh, I can't, I can't decide whether or not it's better to know exactly where he stands and know where he's going to be put the thumb on, because he's not, he's clearly a very bright guy, and he has a media empire that has the largest reach and most influence of anything on the face of the earth and there's no question he's going to leverage it in this election. No question. But the crazy part is he has more impact globally than he does domestically, in my opinion, right? Because when you go on X, you see a preponderance of right, the people.. don't see a lot of... They're all over my for you. I've never clicked on any of these f-things. That's the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:28:29 That's the way algorithms work, right? What? Yes. They do the opposite of what I want to see happen. Yes. When somebody tells them, when you you want to see happen. And he certainly has done that to the things he likes. But it's different in other platforms. And the good news is, what, 20% of adults in the United States are on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:28:52 So I mean, there's 80% who aren't there. But isn't this a certain amount of tech bro malpractice that there is this incredible need in the marketplace of something that is slightly less biased or, you know, toxic when it comes to there. And like, they came out with threads and you're on it for two seconds, you're like, I think I need an app. No, I like threads. Threads is getting better. Try it.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Yeah, it's getting better. No, it's getting better. That may be the worst pitch for any of these. But see you you do disrupt industries. I try. Like there is, see that's why I would have thought, and I think you've said this, that Trump appealed to you at first because there is a certain outsider. And look we both know our government, there is a status quo and there is a capture by lobbies and by big businesses that write this legislation and end up gaining advantage that needs to be disrupted. Correct. When did it occur to you that he didn't necessarily want
Starting point is 00:29:56 to free it he wanted to have the deed to the swamp signed over to him? About the third time I talked to him right it was he wasn't about changing I mean the conversations I would have with them I'm like the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th the th the the the th the the th. th. this. this. this this. this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. the this the. this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this legislation. this legislation. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the. the. the the. th? About the third time I talked to him, right? It was, he wasn't about changing. I mean, the conversations I would have with him, I'm like, there was a time when- Are these phone conversations? Yeah, phone conversations, yeah. Is it Zoom? No, it wasn't going to be at. And I'm like, Don't go not going. Not going.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I'm like, Donald, why don't you go to a local small business and sit there at the table and just show off your business. Right? And show people your business. He goes, Mark, Donald Trump and Mark Cuban don't go to people's who he is. When we talked about, what's he going to do with the ground game? Now, I got all these religious people who are going to do the work for me. So he, in his mind, so I think this is very interesting,
Starting point is 00:30:54 because, and maybe you know this too, he runs a family business. So he is, in essence essence a monarch. It's a dictatorship and Maybe there's not as much malevolence to his actions as oh, this America can be a subsidiary Of the Trump organization because this is how I run it and they might say well, we have checks and balances and division of government and he just thinks himself. Yeah, no, no, we're gonna get rid of that. Yeah, that's the sense. This is this is my country right Everybody else is bad. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiol-I's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi gonna get rid of that. Yeah, that's the sense I get. That's what it is. Yeah, this is my country, right? Everybody else is bad, Donald Good. Okay. And so Donald Good, so whoever thinks Donald Good also good. Come along with the rip for the ride, right?
Starting point is 00:31:33 I mean, he just brought hate and anger to politics, and that is part of his general conversation or do you think that is a strategic demagoguing of he wants to get that emotion? That wasn't what we talked about, but I think that's, Donald is a sales rep. He's a salesperson. He's going to follow what works. And whatever, he's going to try all kinds of different things, he's going 'll try things out and if it works it's going to he's going to do more of it. Do you see him on his heels now? When was the last time that you sort of had these counseling
Starting point is 00:32:10 session? No, there were, I talked to him probably 2019, no I talked to him during the pandemic because I was trying to help him with the the president of the United States, still our country. Right so I the the he. I he. I he. I he. he. he. he. he. he. he. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi's th. th. th. th. th. th. thi's thi. thin is sort th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. th. th. th. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. He's tie. He's tie. He's tie. He's sort is sort is sort te. He's sort te. He's te. He's te. He's sort. He's sort te. te. te. te. te. tie. tie. tie of the United States, still our country. Right. So I tried to help him with PPE and a lot of different things, a lot of medical care type stuff. Sure. We're the guy who suggested the bleach, is that you? Is that? Everything's going great. Everything's worked. Cuban calls up and says, have you tried drinking liquid plumber? I did not say drink? I said, inject. All right. Fair inject. All this is going on. You've soured. So what is your relationship now with this tech world and how does AI fit into that and how do you remain bullish on those innovations when they so clearly are working to to avoid any kind of regulation of these new innovations. OK, two things.
Starting point is 00:33:09 One, they're there because they're rich, not because they're tech brows or because they just happen to make their money in tech. I don't think that's really applicable. The AI side, you know, I've been in technology for a long time. And you can always look at a new at at PCs, networks, the internet, streaming, whatever, and say, okay, in five years, this is what's going to happen, right? Have a good sense. With AI, you can't do that. With large language models, we have no idea whether it's going to zig or zag or what
Starting point is 00:33:35 the impact is going to be. And that's the good news and the bad news is we're dominating right now globally, the United States is. The bad news is... In terms of... In terms of our, the quality and the impact of the AI and the advancements that we're introducing in AI, the research that we're doing. We are without question the leader and that's really important from a defense perspective, military, et cetera, and also, you know, from a business perspective. It's going to have a big impact on this country. I personally think it's generally positive, but there's a lot of uncertainty to come. And so when you-
Starting point is 00:34:08 What gives you the hope that it's generally positive? Because as a counterpoint, we heard the same thing about social media. And we heard the same thing about all these different innovations of the connectivity. And yet, every time I turn on Congress, Zuckerberg is up there like, look, I'm really sorry. I didn't know it was going to kill all your daughters. Like, no, remember, it's still just a short window.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Social media, you know, has really only been prominent last six years, and I think we'll learn and will evolve, and the same thing will happen with AI. There's going to be points in time where it's f-up, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and people, and the same thing will happen with AI. There's going to be points in time where it's f-up, right? And people are using it. But I think over time, particularly with Gen Z, right? Gen Z is a different beast. You know, boomers are idiots. I mean, we went from sex drugs and rock and roll to Fox News.
Starting point is 00:34:57 I mean, it doesn't get any worse to define regulations, right? And so I think Gen Z has a better understanding, a better feel for AI and where it's going and we'll be able to come up with better uses, better implementations and better regulations. Does it concern you that the implementation time frame. So when you think about the industrial revolution, right? And you think about the disruption or globalization, the disruption, the implementation time frame. So when you think about the Industrial Revolution, right, and you think about the disruption or globalization, the disruption to the workforce, the way that labor can travel and labor cannot travel but capital can, right? And all these different things that were kind
Starting point is 00:35:35 of a race to the bottom for American workers to a large extent. But all those changes took place over, sometimes a century, sometimes decades. The changes in AI, the disrupt right. So when you've got something that disrupts to maybe even a larger extent than globalization did, to maybe a larger extent than the Industrial Revolution did, and it's going to happen by Thursday. Yep. In what world are humans in any way capable and set to withstand that disruption? I think we'll be able to withstand it, but I th th th, think, think, think, think, think, thi it, thi it, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the disruptive, their, their, the disruptive, the disruptive, the disruptive, the, the, the disrupt, the disrupt, the disrupt, the, right, right, right, right, right, the the the, right, right, right, right, the, the, the the the, the the, the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, their the set to withstand that disruption? I think we'll be able to withstand it, but I think it's going to be very disruptive.
Starting point is 00:36:10 And the problem is, it's going to happen anyways. And you know, somebody here, your son at Duke, right, can say, I've got this great idea, I'm going to implement it with an open source, large language model, and I'm going to take it in this direction. That he. And he that he that he that he that he that's. That's. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so weird. that's so weird. That's so weird. that's so weird. that's so weird. that's so weird. that's so weird. that's that's that's thi. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. their their their their th. their th. th. th. to take it in this direction. He did say that to me. Right? But Gen Z is different. Yeah. Right. Gen Z I think looks at humanity differently is kinder. Like I've got three kids 15, 18 and 21 right? And they're just nicer, right? They're not like we were. So are you trying to say like, are we weathering what is the last gasp of this kind of more misanthropic moment in history? So in your mind, whatever happens, this is going to be a more misanthropic decade that will be ameliorated by this younger
Starting point is 00:37:01 generation? I hope so, right? I hope so, because the regulatory cap, the way we've always done politics right now is everybody's chasing power and nothing will give you more power than military and AI. And I think the algorithm, I mean, we talk, going back to algorithms again, right, driven by AI, that's the most powerful element in the world right now because everybody just gets whatever they're seeing reinforced and if you want to influence somebody just manipulate the algorithm and you'll get their attention and so but I think so what's the remedy on that if there's no one working a pushback if pushing back on that is considered censorship it's just one of those
Starting point is 00:37:40 things where you've got to go through it. It's an evolution of a new media model. Just an evolution of technology, media, right? Because if we don't do it, the Chinese and the Russians will. Because the only thing that holds AI back is processing power, electricity and ingenuity. And I think our ingenuity wins. I'm still a big believer in American exceptionalism. I still believe that we've got the best technologists in the world. And I think that's why we have to open that door for AI. So ultimately it becomes a question of the world is going to be carved up in the way that it's always been somewhat carved up in terms of its resources. The question is, is it carved up by the Western world or is it carved up by a different world? And do they's thap. I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It th. It becomes th. It becomes, it becomes, it becomes, it becomes, it becomes, it becomes, it becomes the world, it becomes the world the world the world the world the world the world. So, it becomes the world. So, it becomes the world. So, it becomes the world. So, it becomes the world. So, it becomes the world. So, it becomes the world. So, it th th th th th th thi. So, thi. It's thi. It's the world. It's the world is is the world. It's the world. It's the world. It's the world. It's the world. It's the world. It's the world. It's the world. It's the world. It that Russia and China see a unique vulnerability in the West's ascension in this moment
Starting point is 00:38:30 that's been the world order since 1945. Everybody looks at it right and looks that and says AI if I can he who controls AI right and so but we've done a good job of limiting processors the new semiconductor act will help us quite a bit and we'll bring things, you know, we're already doing most of those things here. So how do you resist the ring, right? So like Lord of the Rings, the Ring of Power, like it's the one thing, boy when you get the ring, you just don't want to let it go. How do you resist that because you've got the money, you're, you're, the money, the money, the money, the money, thap, thap, thap, thap, th.. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thrown, thrown, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thrown, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thr, thr. And, thri, thri, and, thri.a. And, thri. And, thri. And, throooooooooo. And, thi, thi, that because you've got the money you've got the influence you could be that guy you could be Setting those things up and doing all that, but you're just trying to get us like better generic aspirin like what is happening
Starting point is 00:39:27 What what? What? What? No, no, no, I know what I know what I can do I know I know what I can do. I know what I'm good at. Okay, and? You're not tempted? them? I? th. th. th. th. I? I? I? I? I? I? I. I. the. I. I. I. I. I. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know. I know. I know. I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I. I. I know. I? I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what? I know what I can do. I know what I'm good at. Okay. And you're not tempted by the ring that's in front of you. I think there's a different ring, right? Because yeah, AI could be the end all, be all technologically, but that doesn't play to my strengths. And the ups and downs and ins and outs are just not me. But you want to talk about pharmacy, what could be better than fucking up the health care system in the United States of America and American so it's affordable. Yeah, that's just that's there's a path there. There is I imagine when you get in that position at that height you can't help but hear the siren call of you could run this whole fucking thank you but maybe a little bit but you know just I hate to use the cliche but the way I was raised I've got three kids right right and I don't want to miss that you know I don't want to be 95 and look back and say I was present but I didn't get to
Starting point is 00:40:17 know my kids at all right you know I'd rather say I'm a tttelll got a better world to live in and my kids and I have friends were close you know they bring over the grandkids and the kids kids and that's just more important to me. Right and and do you have your eye on other industries right now where you can do sort of the same things there's pharmacy and where you know cost plus drugs dot com I'm gonna get that sales pitch in there. Yeah yeah yeah cost plus drugs dot com is literally in process of having a the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. I. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. the the the t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the. the. the the the the the to get that sales pitch in there. Cost Plus drugs.com is literally in process of having a significant impact on the drug market, right? We are pushing generic drugs down now, down now. We're right around the corner from... Well, you're negotiating prices in a way that hasn't been done prior. Right. So when you go prior to us, medication was. Whether you're an employer playing for your employees. And it's just run by these boards.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Yeah, these pharmacy benefit managers are dictating prices left and right. They're basically stealing money from employers and employees. And so we walked in there and said, what's the one missing piece? Transparency. So when you go to Cost Plus Drugs. Drugs. Dulled. you might take, let's just say to Dillophil, right? I know you don't know what sure to Dillafil. Yeah, so sure it's done. I'm so hopped up on to Dillifill right now. You have no idea. Do you know what it is? I don't. Generic Sialis. As I said before, I am so hopped up on the city of there.
Starting point is 00:41:47 So when you go to Costless Drugs.com and you put it into Dillofill or whatever, first thing we do is we show you our cost. Then we show you our markup, which is always 15% and everybody gets the same price. Because we're mail order to start, we're starting to partner with pharmacies now. There's a shipping fee and there's a fee for the pharmacist to review pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmac pharmacist ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph ph pharmacist to start. We're starting to partner with pharmacies now. There's a shipping fee and then there's a fee for the pharmacist to review everything. And when you do it that way... And this is legal? Yeah, of course it's legal. Yeah, it's good all American capitalism. But let me just tell you the impact. There are drugs. There are drugs, there's a drug, a matinephorahe. going to be $2,000 You go to cost plus drugs dot com. It's under 30 there's a drug Drugs Adopah right? That's just insane
Starting point is 00:42:30 I had a friend I had a friend Landon who was in a terrific car crash and he needed this drug Droxadopa lost his insurance it was going to be $30,000 every three months. I'm like let me just check to see if we can get it. $64 a month. And the price has gone down since. All because we were transparent. But like, weren't there dudes like Martin Screlli in jail for shit like that? Like, when you jack prices up like that, and why can't the United States government negotiate in terms of, if you're the largest customer to any industry, it's criminal that you wouldn't use any leverage to make those things more available to people. The problem was there's this thing called pharmacy benefit managers,
Starting point is 00:43:10 right? And they're basically responsible for doing the negotiating with, to a certain extent, Medicare, but with all the large employers, if you're one of those big companies that cover 150 million employees across the country. That's who you negotiate with. And the first rule when they negotiate, they say is, you can't talk about this. It's like Fight Club. You cannot say what your price is.
Starting point is 00:43:33 You can't say what we're doing in our negotiation. And they got so big doing that that that nobody ever questioned them. We come along. And actually Martin Screlli plays a little part in this whole thing because when he got thrown in jail, I was talking to Alex and Shemansky, my partner, and it's like, if this dude can just jack up the price, it is not an efficient market. That means nobody knows what the real cost is. If we publish our price, boom, the whole world's going to change it. As it turns out, the FTC just th just th report criticizing the PBMs. They used our pricing data. The smartest thing we did was...
Starting point is 00:44:07 So now, so this brings up, so FTC is a federal trade commission and boy there's nothing the tech world hates more than the FTC. Then the FTC. So how does that square? Well, you know, like any agency, they do something's right and something's wrong. So, but in this case with the PBMs, they're crushing them and it's justified. Now is it something that can't be done throughout the health care? Because one of the difficulties with health care is the contingencies of,
Starting point is 00:44:31 you can't really comparison shop when you have a heart attack, chop when you have a heart attack, like you're talking about you could get heart attack treatment at this hospital it's $150,000 but you go up the street and it's 12,000 and it's all about treat. We'll see and what happens is who's paying when you you know God forbid have a heart attack and you go there and let's just say it's going through your employer right your employer right your employer has no idea what they're their pain and so what we're saying is it approved today, we're going to publish all contracts. Never before has it been done where from my companies, we're saying if you want to do business
Starting point is 00:45:09 with us, if this hospital system wants to work with my companies, whatever it may be, we're going to publish them and put them online for anybody to see all of our pricing. But so then what, I think that's fantastic. But I'm curious then, why is there such pushback on this idea of applying those same kinds of competitions and things to our health care system? You know, we talk about what we have got a privatized health care system and it's the best in the world. But very clearly, it doesn't function like a free market.
Starting point is 00:45:40 No, it's not free market at all. So what is so terrible about getting everybody health care? Like, why is that such and that's why I'm doing this? But these companies, these PBMs and the big insurance companies, they call them the Bucca's the largest insurance companies, right? They are so big, like I keep on saying, big employers cover 150 million people, right? And the CEO of this big company doesn't know much about health care and their health care costs. And so they just say to them, okay, we're going to write you a check for a rebate, even though it's your sickest employees that are paying for that rebate. They just don't know.
Starting point is 00:46:12 And the- It's so interesting because it's such a non or big tobacco or big farm and it's really like the PBMs. Big middle manager. Yeah that's what it is right and you cut them out right? There's no reason for the big ones that control 90% of the prescriptions that are filled. There's no reason for them to to exist. There are others that are called past thrown th th th th through th through th through th through th through th through th through the th through th through the th through the the th through the thr-in the the the thr-in the their thr-in to to to to to to to to to to their their. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be. their. their. their their their. their their their their. their their their. their. their. their their. their. their. their their. their. their. their. their their. their their tobo. tobacco. toba. toba. toba. tobacco. tobacco. tobacco. tobacco. tobacco. tobacco. tobacco, big big big big your claims, show you all your data, show you all your pricing that do it for a fraction of the price. So there's an opportunity to disruption baby. Disruption baby. That's what I like to say. What's that now?
Starting point is 00:46:52 What else? What else? Health care? It's going to be health care. I'm with that to. . And it might be, you know, with that money if you could help the next... Okay, forget it. Now, everything. It's all fine.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Let's go, Mavs. No, stop. Thank you very much for coming by. It's always a fascinating conversation. Check out Cost Plus Drugs. Mark Cuban. We're going to take this break from it. You know, that's so interesting. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
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