The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Michael Kosta Recaps RFK Jr.’s Dead Bear Story & Highlights From The 2024 Olympics | Roxane Gay

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Michael Kosta covers all things Olympics, including an American runner who won by a hair, a pole vaulter with interfering genitalia, and an Algerian boxer whose womanhood is challenged. As the electio...n grows closer, RFK Jr.’s bear carcass dump has him securing his place as the weirdest candidate, and Desi Lydic reveals other confessions we can expect from him. Then bestselling author, publisher, and professor Roxane Gay discusses her new e-book, “Stand Your Ground: A Black Feminist Reckoning with America’s Gun Problem.” She talks about her decision to buy a gun, why many other Black women and people of color choose gun ownership as a way of taking their defense into their own hands, and how the Second Amendment tends to go unrecognized when exercised by people who are not heterosexual cis white men. Gay also explains why she is excited about Kamala Harris’s new presidential bid.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys, this is Tom Segura. And I'm Bert Kreischer. And you're listening to Two Bears One Cave, or you should be listening to Two Bears One Cave. We are on Spotify. On Spotify. And we are not smart? That's an understatement. But you'll have a lot of fun, hopefully. I think you might enjoy it if you give us a listen. If you got your perfect blood work back from your doctor and you have full permission to tie one on. Make sure you check out Two Bears One Cave. It's with me, Tom Segura, and my co-host, Bert Chrysler.
Starting point is 00:00:26 The Machine. My shirt's off. You're listening to Comedy Central. From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central. It's America's only source for news. This is the Daily Show with your host Michael Costin. Yes, welcome to the Daily Show. I'm Michael Costa, we have so much to talk about tonight.
Starting point is 00:01:12 The Olympics has big dick energy. Conservatives are finally interested in women's sports and RFK Jr. just lost his endorsement from Smoky Bear. Let's get into the headlines. Let's get into the headlines. Let's kick things off with the Olympics. Let's kick things off with the Olympics, a gathering of the world's greatest athletes and also some people who own horses. Now, I've been super interested in these Olympics,
Starting point is 00:01:36 mostly because I bet my daughter's college tuition on mixed doubles badminton. But it's fine, she's not really an academic kid to be honest with you. So so far it's been incredible. Now not the badminton that's a stupid sport but the real sports like the men's 100 meters finals were on Sunday where American Noah Liles got the gold medal by 5,000 of a second. Yeah. Do you realize how little time that is? That's five thousands of a second. I just said it. Pay attention.
Starting point is 00:02:11 This was the closest finish in over 40 years. And I don't want to take anything away from Noah Liles, but isn't this a tie? I mean, what do we even have ties for if we're not going to pull it out for stuff like this? I mean, in fact, if you were watching this with just your eyes, all these guys finished at the same time. If these guys were trains, no one would say, my train was late. Another Olympic moment getting a lot of attention is the pole valter who knocked the bar over with his large penis. Now, if you haven't heard about this story, do not Google penis Olympics. That will, that'll take you to the wrong website. What
Starting point is 00:02:51 can I say? I like to do my own research, but you also don't really need to Google it because that's the whole story. A pole vaulter lost when his giant shlong got caught on the crossbar. And according to the rules of pole vaulting, you're allowed to touch the crossbar, but you're not allowed to fuck it, so he lost. But this has got to be the best possible way to lose. Yeah, I would have won if it weren't for this damn massive heart. In fact, this is the only event where the guy who won probably felt bad.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Like, hey, you know, my dick is good too. I will say, next Olympics, this guy should compete in the 100 meters. He'd win from 10 feet back. But look, everyone loves a good pole vaulting dick joke. But look, to this athlete, and I know this is tough, but I'll say to you what I say to the little league team I coach. It's not whether you win or lose. It's how gigantic everyone knows your penis is. But the biggest story so far is. I'll say the biggest story. to th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. Well, th, the the the the the thi, well, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, look, look, look, look, look, look th. Well, th. Well, look thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that theeat theat theat theat theat theat the. theat theat the. the the that the the that that that that th little league team I coach. It's not whether you win or lose. It's how gigantic everyone knows your penis is. But the biggest story so far is about Algerian boxer Amman Khalif, who's been doing a great job in the women's boxing tournament. Some people would say too good. Some critics questioning whether Halif should have been allowed to compete in that ring at all, and claiming that Halif is a man or transgender, something IOC officials have emphatically. thatically their thatically their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, but their, but their, but their. But. But. But. But. But. But. But. But, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, but their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, ta. Wea. Weaq is teaq. It's teaq. Weaq. It's biggest. It's biggest. Weaq. It's biggest, but. Weaq. But. But, but. Weaq. But. But. So. It's. It'sthat ring at tall and claiming that Halif is a man or transgender,
Starting point is 00:04:26 something IOC officials have emphatically denied. The Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female has a female passable. This is not a transgender case. Seems pretty open and shut to me, right? She was born a woman, lives as a woman, and boxes other women. So what is the argument against that? This is such an outrage. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:04:51 This is a man. This is a man. This is a man who is competing in the boxing tournament for women. No, uh, she's not. She's a woman like you, Megan Kelly. A woman at the peak of her career, unlike Megan Kelly, but she... She still is a woman. You easily can just say, listen, you could only fight and compete in the gender in which you were born. Those are just the rules.
Starting point is 00:05:18 End of story. Forget about it. Okay. But those rules would still let her box with women, because again, she's a woman. She's fought as a woman her whole life. She's even lost to other female boxers nine times. What more proof do you want? Does Fox News need the ghost of Roger Ailes to sexually harass her first? She's a woman.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Okay, looks like a duck, the punch is like a duck, I think it's a duck. Well, look, so she's not a duck, okay? She's a woman. You're not making me question whether I know what a woman is. You're making me question whether you know what a duck is. Because, again, this female boxer is female. Can we stop this before America turns into a presidential campaign issue?
Starting point is 00:06:06 The far left wants to allow biological males to beat the living crap out of women in boxing. Is that really what this race is going to be about? Jady Vance is going to be on the campaign trail like, you know when I was growing up in the holler the one thing we cared about was international women's boxing regulations. By the way, if conservatives are so concerned with women's safety, maybe consider caring about it outside of sports. There are women in America who are like, help me, I'm having an ectopic pregnancy. And conservatives are like, shut up, we're trying to protect women over here. Look, guys, I'm sorry this elite athlete does not look
Starting point is 00:06:47 the way you think a woman should look, but a woman is allowed to be dominating and powerful at a sport without you questioning her gender. Because don't forget, these guys, these guys dragged her an Algerian female boxer into their American conservative culture work. And if they're their look look look look look look look look look look look look look look look look look look look their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the way the way the way the way the way, the way the way the way the way, the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way their their their their their theateateateateateateateateateateat. thooooooooooooooo. theateateat. the way. the way. the way. the way Algerian female boxer into their American conservative culture work. And if they're going to use her as a metaphorical punching bag, the least they can do is step into the ring and let her use them as a literal punching bag.
Starting point is 00:07:14 I bet they wouldn't even last a round. All right. Let's move on to the presidential race Kamala Harris is set to announce her running mate at any moment. And to balance out the ticket, it'll most likely be a white guy like Josh Shapiro, Tim Walls, or the pole vaulter dude with the penis. But let's put that beast to use, breaking the glass ceiling. You guys love a pole vaultd Dick joke, huh? Yeah. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has backed out of the September debate he had previously agreed on
Starting point is 00:07:50 and is now saying he'll only debate Kamala if it's in a packed arena moderated by Fox News. Also, at any point in the debate, he gets to call the cops on her for loitering. Also, it's not a debate, it's golf. But, look, I'm actually sympathetic to Trump. Don't forget, he agreed to this debate against Joe Biden. If I agreed to wrestle an old man, and then at the last second, he taps in a younger opponent whose knees actually work, I might also object.
Starting point is 00:08:17 But look, wrangling over a debate, choosing a VP candidate, these are our normal campaign stories. And since this race has already been so crazy, with Trump getting shot, Biden dropping out, J.D. Vance being J.D. Vance. I'm just glad that we finally have a normal presidential race with normal presidential stories, right? Breaking overnight, R.F.K. Junior confesses to leaving a dead bear cub in Central Park why he said he
Starting point is 00:08:48 did not have the time to skin and eat it. What? What? What? I don't know what's worse. I don't know what's worse. That R.F.K.J.D. He only did it because he didn't have time to eat it.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Let me just back up here. This happened back in 2014 and I remember when they found that dead bear because you find dead bodies in Central Park all the time but they're usually tourists so nobody cares but... But a bear, now that's memorable. A decade ago, a central park mystery baffled New Yorkers. But a bear, now that's memorable. A decade ago, a Central Park mystery baffled New Yorkers, captured headlines across the country. Police now want to know how the bear died and how it got into the park.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Now we know. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the independent presidential candidate, says he brought the dead bear to Central Park. In the videotaped confession, Kennedy recounts the strange tale to controversial comedian Roseanne Barr. Okay, I'm sorry, he's admitting this to Roseanne Barr in a kitchen over a plate of flinstone ribs? I mean, what has happened? Does he think it'll sound more normal if he's telling it to a crazy person? You know what, let's not judge him too fast. Let's hear him tell Rosanne Barr how he ended up dumping a dead bear cub in Central Park.
Starting point is 00:10:13 I was taking a group of people at Falconing and a number of oven co-to-york at Nights and Valley. Hmm, great start. I was out falconing with my friends. So far, very relatable story. A woman in a van in front of me hit a bear and killed it. A young bear. So I pulled over and I picked up the bear and put him in the back of my van because I was doing to skin the bear and it was very good condition and I was going to and put the meat in my refrigerator and you can do that in the skin the bear, and it was very good condition, and I was going to, and put the meat of my refrigerator,
Starting point is 00:10:47 and you can do that in New York City, you can get a bear tag for a roadkill bear. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw Paddington get tea boned, and your first thought was, pause the falconing, we got to get that bear in this car to skin and eat it, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, which, whichthis car to skin and eat it, which for some reason I know is legal in this day. Yeah, that tracks. Sorry, keep going. We had a really good day and we went late. We were catching a lot of game. And instead of going back to my home in Westchester, I had to go right to the city because there was a dinner. I had Peter Lugar's steakhouse. Okay. Yeah, all right, let's just do a quick recap. He already spent all day hunting game with Falcons.
Starting point is 00:11:30 He's on his way to eat a steak, which is a dead cow, but on the way he had to stop and pick up a dead bear, and this is the environmental candidate. Oh, and by the way, Peter Lugar's steakout, it's a fancy steakhouse. It's not a place where people pull up to the valet with the bear cubs hang out of the backseat. Hey, here's the keys, don't steal the rotting bear, I'm gonna eat that. And at the end of the dinner, it went late and I realized I couldn't go home, I'd go to the airport. And the bear was in my car and I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea. the the the the the. the the theeaueaugheaseaueaueaueaueaueaqqqqaqa'ease. the end of the dinner, it went late, and I realized I couldn't go home. I had to go to the airport. And the bear was in my car, and I didn't want to leave the bear in the car.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Because that would have been bad. Yeah. Right, I mean, you wouldn't want your car to smell like rotting bear, then people might think you're a sociopath, you know? That still doesn't explain why he dumped it in Central Park. There'd been a series of bicycle accidents in New York. They had just put in the bike lanes. And saw a couple of people got killed. It was every day, and people had badly injured. Every day it was in the press.
Starting point is 00:12:39 And I said, let's go put the bear in the cedar. And I said, let's go put the bear in Central Park and we'll make it look like you got to invite the bike. It's fun, fun for people. Oh, ha ha ha, I get it. You were making a joke about all the people killed by bicycles. Ha ha ha, Roseanne gets it, don't you, Rosanne? Can you imagine how weird you have to be for Rosanne to look at you like you're crazy?
Starting point is 00:13:11 Honestly, I feel bad for her. She probably thought she was doing a cameo on the bear. None of this story makes sense. If he was late to the airport, you don't drive into the heart of Manhattan to dump a dead bear. You dump it in the East River. Or you just bring it on the airplane. You call it your emotional support bear carcass. They'll let's let it on. Look, I will say this. I am one of those people who hates the two-party system. But if this is the candidate of the third party, I say screw it, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. Or, thi, or, thi, or, or, thi, or, or, or, thi, or, or, thi, thi, or, or, th. Or, th. Or, th. Or, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th party. I say screw it. Let's just have a king. For more on this extremely strange story, let's go out to RFK headquarters with Desi Leidic. This is a really disturbing story, RFK told.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Actually, Costa, the campaign is feeling quite confident about how RFK handled this potential PR crisis. It's like he saw a story by the side of the road and said, I can make a meal out of this. Okay, so RFK thinks that filming that video with Roseanne Bart was a good thing? Oh, absolutely. By telling the story to a comedian, he transformed it from disturbing story to funny anecdote. And word is, he's sticking with that strategy going forward.
Starting point is 00:14:30 In fact, I'm hearing that he just confessed that he was the diarrhea that the thirea that plane. that plane was the diarrhea thae. That's right. That plane last year, that's because a guy had diarrhea all over the aisle. RFK was that guy? That's right, that's right. He just sat down in Rob Schneider's garage to tell him the story. See he was falconing along the Hudson when he found a bunch of loose deli meats by the river and he was gonna throw it out but he was running late so he just ate all of it, jumped on the plane and the rest is history. You know a lot of of of the the the the the the th of the th of th of th of the the th of the the th. A lot th. A lot th. A lot the th. A lot th. A lot the the th. th. th. the th. the th. the th. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. He's their their. He's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's just. S. I. I. S. I. t. t. t. te. te. te. th. th. th. th. He's just. He's just. He's just. He's just.ed on the plane and the rest is history. You know, a lot of people would be embarrassed,
Starting point is 00:15:08 but RFK is just putting it all out there, just like he did on that plane. You know, this is a lot for the American people to process right after the bear thing. I know, I know, but just wait until they hear about how he caused the BP oil spill in 2010. Deepwater Horizon, he caused that. Calm down. He just finished explaining it and Adam Corolla's gazebo. It's a funny story. See, what happened was RFK was flamingoing upstay.
Starting point is 00:15:37 And then he came across a lion giving birth. He wanted to collect the placenta and mason jars for smoothies, but he had a train to catch in six and a half minutes. So... Des-Dessie, what are you even talking about? These aren't cute, charming stories. They're bizarre and creepy. Oh, well, you are not going to like the Twitch live stream he did from Carrotops Tomato Garden. Oh my God, what did he even talk about? Oh, oh, this one's th See, what happened was RFK was swan tipping upstage.
Starting point is 00:16:08 He worked up quite the appetite, because those swans don't go down without a fight. So he scoured the local highway for food, but sadly, nothing adorable had been hit by a car. Then he realized he was already on a flight to Wuhan, where he then went to a wet market with no shoes on. Desi, are you telling me RFK started the COVID pandemic by going barefoot in a wet market? Well, when you put it that way, it's much less funny. I mean, you're no Roseanne. Desi Lydic everyone. Wow. When we come back, we'll talk to Roxanne Ganks, don't go anywhere. Is that true?
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Starting point is 00:17:27 My guest tonight is a best-selling author, publisher, and a professor whose new e-book is called Stand Your Ground, a black feminist, re-book is called Stand Your Ground, a black feminist reckoning with America's gun problem. Please welcome Roxanne Gay. Please welcome Roxanne Gay. Wow, all right. What made you want to write this piece about guns? What made you want to write this piece about guns? A lot of different things, but my brother was a big gun owner, very enthusiastic about guns,
Starting point is 00:18:09 which was weird because nobody in my family cares about guns. And we were like, oh, where did this come from? And he kept trying to get my other brother and I to buy a gun, and we were like, oh, no, we're good. And finally he broke us all down and so I got my first gun and one of the things I noticed at the gun store and at the gun range was that there were a lot of people of color and black women in particular. Yeah. And so I thought why are black women buying guns? Yeah. Other than the obvious. Well why are black women buying guns? Black women I think are buying guns simply because we often recognize that if we don't
Starting point is 00:18:45 protect ourselves, no one else will. A lot of times, it's that we don't trust that the police will come to our homes and protect us. And in fact, Sonia Massey's murder recently bears that out, among many others. And so I think it's not a form of empowerment, which I think is overused and cheesy, but it is a form of protection and recognizing that sometimes you have to take your own defense in your own hands. There's something beautiful about a bunch of white male forefathers 260 years ago, not envisioning black and brown people at the shooting range. I know. Was it beautiful? Was that? I mean, I think that there's a lot to
Starting point is 00:19:26 be said about the founders and their lack of vision. I mean people always talk about how much vision they have. You mentioned it in the essay that the Second Amendment wasn't written for black people. It wasn't written for women. They saw us as only three-fifths of a person, so I guess we could only use three-fifths of a musket. But now, you know, if the Second Amendment applies to white men, it applies to all of us. And I, you know. You know. Do you, I mean, what's fun about this essay is, it's not you writing about people that own guns.
Starting point is 00:20:06 You, you bought a gun. I did. In fact, your first gun, the Beretta was a little too big. It was just so big. Yeah. Kind of like the pole vaulter. What can you do it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:22 What's it like buying a gun? I know that, you knowthat half the country is going to hear that question and laugh and go, do not, but there's a lot of people that don't, I have no idea. Even know how to buy a gun. What was it like buying a gun for a te. Well, I live in California most of the time and so it's kind of it's also a pain for other reasons. It's a whole process. You have to take a little test, which is fine. It's like the driver's exam. You study the booklet in your car beforehand.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Right. And you fill out an application, you get a background check, and then 10 days after you do all of that, you can pick up the gun, which I think is great. take some time, really think thi thi thin. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. thea. their, the. their, their like do I really need this or am I angry? I mean a gun destroys things. It does. It takes people's lives, it causes grievous injuries. You know we talk a lot about the people who die from gun violence but there are people whose lives are irrevocably changed because of really bad injuries, the loss of limbs, the loss of organs, and so you really have to think very carefully about why you would welcome a weapon like thi th th th th th th th thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi te te te te te teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thi thi thi thi te t loss of limbs, the loss of organs, and so you really have to think very carefully about why you would welcome a weapon like this into your
Starting point is 00:21:29 home, but we don't have children. If we had children it would be a complete non-starter. Well how did you, and maybe I'm asking selfishly, how did you or was it hard to convince your wife to have a gun in the house? No, surprisingly? Okay, yeah. But that's another consideration. It's just your life. It was 100% of consideration. If she said no, the answer would be no. But she's a lifelong New Yorker. So.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Right. She's not afraid of a good fight. She's like, why I need a gun. I'll do all my fists. She doesn't even need her fist she has a very capable mouth. What what what I'm just going to leave that there what has what did you learn that maybe you weren't expecting about America's gun epidemic in this process? I learned so much and I think everyone I mean we read the statistics every single time there is a horrific crime and nothing
Starting point is 00:22:28 ever changes, but there are more guns than people in this country. Nuts. Which cannot possibly be the case but yet it is. And only about 35% of Americans own guns which is to say that the people who own guns really, really love their guns and they own a whole lot of them. And that really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really love their guns and they own a whole lot of them. And that really surprised me because when you listen to the NRA and other lobbyists talk about gun ownership, they really make it seem like everyone's kind of like walking around with a gun in their purse or in the back of their jeans and that's not the case, nor should it be. And yet that's what we hear that so many people own guns. No, it's a choice that some people make,
Starting point is 00:23:05 and yet those people get a disproportionate amount of our cultural attention. One thing that really resonated with me in the essay was when you went to the shooting range, and you almost, you were mentioning the shooting instructor, Raul, how obsessed he was with safety. Yes. And I loved hearing that. And I think so hardcore. But I mean, this is that this side of gun ownership
Starting point is 00:23:28 isn't always told. A lot of responsible gun owners are obsessed with safety. Share a little bit of that experience with you. For sure. When you hear about gun violence in general, it's irresponsible gun owners. It's people who don't know how to the range, we took some classes because we're nerds. And we sat in an actual classroom. And he was like, here are the four rules of gun safety. Write it down. Which I did.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And it was really heartening to see that there is a responsible way to go about this, that you don't have to be casual, you don't have to be careless, and you can protect not only yourselves, but the people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people the people the, that you don't have to be casual, you don't have to be careless, and you can protect not only yourselves, but the people in your household and also your community by being responsible and also, you know, locking up your guns. Do you feel safer owning a gun? No, not really. But that's because I know what happens to legal gun ownership for black people when the police are involved. So not necessarily, but I do feel like, I get a lot, the the the the people their the people the people their the people in the people in their their their the people in their the people in their their their the people in their the people in th.. th. th. thi thi, in your th. the thi the people in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your household in your th. th. th. th. the people in your the people in your the people in your the people in your the people in the people in the people in the people in the people in their their their their their their their their their their their their their th... their th. th. th. th. I th. the. theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, theat, threat. the. the police are involved. So not necessarily.
Starting point is 00:24:26 But I do feel like, I get a lot of death threats. That's what precipitate buying a gun. I mean, I have friends that say they own guns for defense of their home. And I kind of laugh, because I go, you live on 10 acres. You don't even have a neighbor. But when you were describing in the book that you get trueueueuereats and people threatening your wife that's different now. It's different and it starts to get closer and closer to home and as the threats became more and more specific particularly during COVID I just thought man am I gonna
Starting point is 00:24:56 sit around and wait for something to happen right or not but the things that makes me feel most safe is we also got a dog right during COVID and he weighs nine pounds and thinks he weighs 90 and he lets us know when someone's even thinking about the house and so that's actually what makes me feel safe like I don't know if I can stop something but Max our dog Maximus Toretto Blueberry he's absolutely going to let us know I mean in some states there's more regulations about dog adoption than getting a gun. Yes, and in some states women have more rights as gun owners than they do as women or people
Starting point is 00:25:32 with uteruses. You know, you wrote that black gun ownership is definitely a political act, white gun ownership is generally taken as an inalienable right. Explain that to me. Absolutely. We tend to look at the bill. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the bill the bill the bill th. the th. the bill thi. thi. thiol- to to to to toe of toe, toe. the. the, toe. toe. toe. toe. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, toe. I, toe. I, toe. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. te. te. toe. toe. toea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. te. te. te. te. taken as an inalienable right. Explain that to me. Absolutely. We tend to look at the Bill of Rights, I almost said the Ten Commandments. I mean, you know. They're getting closer and closer, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:55 And you know, we treat those bill of rights as inalienable, but the further you get from a white heterosexual cisgender man, the more you have to fight for those rights and the more you are considered sort of an anomaly when you choose to avail yourself of those rights. And I'm not the kind of person who's going to rep myself in the Second Amendment. I think that no one should be able to own a gun and if they want to come take it, like feel free. But that said, as long as the right is there, I. I. I. the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, th is the right, I is th is th is the right, I is th. I is thrown. I is th. I'm, thrown. I'm the right, thi, th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-a, thr-a, thr-s, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their thi. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. thr. thr. throwne is thrownee is throwne. And, throwne. And, throwne, throwne, thr-s, throwne. And, thr-s, their the right is there, I think there are many black gun owners who say, why not? And some people are shooting enthusiasts, some people are concerned with self-defense and home protection, and there's room for all of that.
Starting point is 00:26:36 We contain multitudes. I love in your essay you reminded all of us that the second amendment is 27 words. It is. It is shocking, given how often people talk about it. I mean, it's kind of like, hey, guys, we need a little more clarity here. You would think. Could we be like a little more specific?
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Starting point is 00:27:28 oh, we actually put a law on the books that you're allowed to kill somebody. Should it, you know, should it be more inclusive? Should it be taken off the books? I mean, what is a thought you have on Stand Your Ground? Well, I think it should be more specific, and I think that if it applies to one person, it should apply to everyone. Like, George Zimmerman used Stan Your Ground as his excuse for killing Trayvon Martin. But Marissa Alexander also used Stan your ground.
Starting point is 00:27:57 She was a legal gun owner who shot in the air away from her former partner who was menacing her against whom she had a restraining order. And she spent five years in jail and the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th who was menacing her and against whom she had a restraining order and she spent five years in jail and house or under house arrest because of that. And so when black people try to stand their ground in general it is used against them and so that's really what we have to change but I also don't think we should be given carte blanche to take other people's lives. So it's a tough thing. You painted well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the, the they. they. the the the. thea. the the thea. the the thea. thea. the thea. the the, the, the, the, the, the, they. to take other people's lives. It's a tough thing. You painted, well you shared a lot of examples that I was unfamiliar with and it's a great read.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Kamala Harris, how you feeling? I'm feeling great. As a black, as a black woman, as a feminist, as a black woman, as a feminist, as a gun owner, I don't know if that pertains. It actually doesn't pertain. Doesn't pertain. However, I think that I wasn't really advocating for Biden to step down, but I was excited when he did. I think that Vice President Harris is going to be a very interesting president. I think we have an opportunity. For so long we've been told we have to wait till 20, 20, 20, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to, to, uh, uh, uh, to, to, to, to, uh, uh, to, uh, uh, uh, to, uh, uh, uh, to, to, uh, uh, to, to, uh, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th, th, to, thi, thi, thi, to, thi, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to be a very interesting president. I think
Starting point is 00:29:05 we have an opportunity. For so long we've been told we have to wait till 2024, 2032, 2040, who knows, for real political change. And even in the run-up to Harris becoming the nominee, people were saying that she's not a viable candidate. Like what about Gavin Newsom? What about Gretchen Whitmer? And so I think it is a real interesting moment to consider who is Kamala Harris and what kind of president would she be? And we don't just have to uncritically engage with her. I think we can ask her genuine political questions
Starting point is 00:29:36 about where she stands on the major issues we're dealing with right now, whether it's Gaza, Ukraine, reproductive freedom here in the country, transgender rights, and it's a very long list. But I am encouraged. I think she's gonna do the job extremely well. I don't think that she's gonna make everyone happy, but I don't think that's possible for a president. And look at the alternative. Thank you for talking with us.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Thank you. The original e-book, Stangered-in, is is is, th and th and thii, thi,book and audio book, Dangerground, is available only on Everin, Roxanne Gay. We're going to take a quick break with right back after this. Thank you for sharing the story. Thank you for sharing the story. to two bears one cave. Hey guys, this is Tom Segura. And I'm Burke Cricer.
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