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take a deep dive into American shared consciousness
and it is Wednesday, January 10th
2024
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not just a great
freeway, but also the day we celebrate
houseplant, it's houseplant
appreciation day
national oysters Rockefeller Day.
It's also National Cut Your Energy Cost Day, which feels like some weird show.
They're like, just switch to twisty light bulbs rather than demanding that the grid is updated so we can use more renewables.
I don't know.
National Bittersweet Chocolate Day.
And also Save the Eagles Day.
I don't know if that is for our nation or fans of Philadelphia.
I think it's about the Philadelphia Eagles and the season they're having.
They're really on a slide, folks.
Are they?
Folks.
Are they even in the playoffs?
Are they even in that game?
Yeah, they made it to the playoffs, but they are, like, in free fall.
These Eagles, not flying.
Free falling.
Hey, we love it.
Free falling.
not flying free falling hey we love it free falling uh my name is jack o'brien aka i hate this shingle pack why'd you put my bacon in that i hate this shingle pack why'd you put that bacon
in that that is courtesy a fighter the night man to the tune of kush by dre and snoop a song that
i don't think i'd ever heard somehow.
But yeah, land speed record for Turnaround on an AKA.
I talked shit about bacon shingle packaging on yesterday's episode.
That shit was up on the Discord.
Wait, so what?
Yeah, the shingle packing.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Like, wait, as opposed to what?
How else are you going to get it when they just put the one block that's pre-sliced and you just peel them off?
So I was pitching roll of tape. Just do it like a roll of tape just get a piece off
but the shingle pack is i just i want it to be resealed you know it's just it's a fucking mess
in there yeah like that's true i like they just just, they haven't, I feel like they're, like, one away.
Like, the shingle pack, overall, fine.
It's okay to be in that form.
But, like, it's just, it gets so loose and messy.
Yeah, well, I think it's kind of like, they do that so you're convinced there's more bacon in there than there actually is.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Because whenever you see it, like, in the brick that's sliced, you's sliced you're like oh shit that's a lot or that's a little
but see when you fan it out like that that's like when you have just like a little bit of money
you're like what if i fan it out yeah exactly because i can't hold it as like a fucking brick
so i'm like let me fan that out so you can see that there's about 13 bills money fan not to be
confused with money phone yeah exactly And what we want is a
bacon phone. You know what I mean?
Exactly. Give me a bacon phone.
They say it's also because they want to show off
the red part because most of it is fat
and everybody...
Which is good. That's what makes it good
but it's not the thing that looks appetizing.
So the shingle pack with the little
window packaging allows them to show off
the lean protein and make the bacon seem leaner than it actually is.
Come on, don't kid yourself.
You're not there for the fucking lean protein.
Exactly.
Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined once again by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray!
Yes, I'm back.
I'm back.
My AKA today is Jetlag Joe Namath because I could care less about my sleep struggling right now because I cannot sleep.
But you can hear the delirium in my voice.
I'm back.
I'm very energized.
It's been very interesting to watch just the world unfold from a foreign, just the distance of being in asia uh and also real like and also being haunted by like how chaotic my actual media intake is because i was sort of like on a media
detox like because you're going around you're showing your kids shit like that and i just
remember like opening youtube like randomly and just seeing like the kinds of videos that like
the album was like this is the kind of shit you're watching and i was like it just felt like it was just screams coming from my laptop like
oh no this is void yeah i'm trying to i'm trying to maintain some semblance of that obviously while
still being able to like be on top of everything that happens but i am realizing that i can
actually uh go after a different kind of media in my off time.
That isn't nearly like when I'm entertaining myself,
I don't have to entertain myself with people getting knocked the fuck out or
people screaming at each other,
which just happens on my feet all the time.
Restful.
They're taking a nice rest.
Well,
Miles,
we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant comedian,
writer,
producer.
Yes.
You can find in the book,
We Had a Little Real Estate Problem,
the unheralded story of Native Americans in comedy.
She's the host and producer of the extremely popular
all-native stand-up comedy show, Good Medicine Comedy,
headed to New York in February.
Yeah.
Boop, boop, boop.
Check out those dates.
It's Jackie Kalia!
Jackie!
Woo!
Hello!
So excited to be back.
So good to have you back.
Oh, it's always a pleasure.
I'm so happy it's you today.
Yay!
I'm like, it's Jackie.
Yes, Jackie.
Yes.
You can be jet-lagged and hang around Jackie.
Yeah, jet-lagged Jackie.
You come as you are.
Yeah, I feel that.
Jet-lagged Joe Namath is so good.
That's a good one.
That's a great one, jet-lagged Joe Namath. I good. That's a good one. That's a great one, Jet lag, Joe Namath.
I care less about the team struggling.
About my circadian rhythm struggling.
I did start using an app that was built to be like, NASA people use it.
And while there is some useful things in it, part of me is like, this could have been a Reddit post that I followed.
NASA people use cocaine, according to this wall street journal
article getting spaced their number one partner for transporting astronauts to the space station
uses cocaine okay okay i i the nasa brand is very strong oh yeah yeah i found out that like 26 minutes is deemed by nasa astronauts to be the ideal nap length and i i set
my alarm for 26 minutes for like a year before i was like that actually doesn't work for me like
sometimes i need 13 minutes i'm actually having health problems yeah yeah but yeah the the nasa
brand for some reason we're like i want to sleep like an astronaut. Yeah. Well, their whole thing is like we like they like we use these principles to help astronauts
like get their circadian rhythms like back in order once they come back from space and
shit like that, where it's not like, you know, a night and day kind of environment.
So I'm like, oh, OK, OK, OK.
But like a lot of it just sort of like I mean, it's helpful in that it'll tell you don't
use caffeine at these times, actually use caffeine at these times or be like, you need fucking sunlight right now.
Don't wear fucking sunglasses because it's essential for your brain to understand that it's daytime because you're moving time zones.
Yeah, that was something I just started hearing the like people talking about regulating where when you're wearing sunglasses.
Yeah.
Which I have noticed like I can't sometimes it's like too sleepy. I'm too sleepy to wear sunglasses. Yeah. Which I have noticed, like I can't sometimes it's like too sleepy.
I'm too sleepy
to wear sunglasses.
Yeah.
Wait, what do you mean?
It's bright outside
and you're like,
no, I'm sleepy.
I don't want sunglasses.
No, I need the sunlight
to wake my ass up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I need to like know
that it's daytime
and bright out.
Yeah.
I like to look right at the sun.
That's how I know I'm alive.
Oh, yes. Just eyes wide open just oh yeah streaming down your face in there yeah yeah if i'm tearing i
know that i'm getting the vitamin d i need you know fuck what my optometrist and ophthalmologist
say yeah fuck what nasa says we're looking right at the sun yeah so we're doing over here yeah but
i mean like i mean, again, it's interesting
because it gives you
like little sort of nuggets
of like being like,
this is why it's important
to have sun here,
et cetera, et cetera.
So right now I'm in my
caffeine use phase of the day,
which I don't normally
drink caffeine,
but I've been, you know,
just having some tea
here and there
and have some coffee later
to keep this thing going
because we've got nine shows
to record.
You're impervious.
Sorry, you have nine?
No.
Oh, we just do nine on Tuesdays
real quick.
We have nine every week,
I think.
You guys are doing that.
That's for real.
I have my own podcast
and I record one episode
a season.
There you go.
We got four.
I want to be on that live.
We're getting fall.
We would just do
a very long episode
if we did that.
Could you imagine
if we have to cram like three months worth of news into one episode?
Into one episode?
Yeah.
It's like, it's a 36-hour episode.
There you go.
It's for long drives.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
All right.
Well, Jackie, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in one moment.
First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we may or may not be talking about.
Just pending vibes.
We may be talking about Elon Musk.
Elon Musk's drug use scare.
His board is concerned that his erratic behavior is driven by drug use.
And then on that subject, we'll talk about Sober January, which is something I hear people talking about.
Sober butt January.
That's the new one.
Yeah.
That's the new one. We're going to talk about the nra grift because that trial is kicking off and wayne lapierre just stepped down as the
head of the nra did i say npr before nra yeah nra yeah nra's grift is real and it's barely
concealed it's not they're not even trying to hide that shit i know
they're like yeah we got that thing on us but it's on a strap for exactly what oh you're gonna
you're gonna say something outward corruption yeah all of that plenty more but first jackie
we do like to ask our guests what is something from your search history. Let's reveal about who you are. I just searched fee-fi-fo-fum.
And you know that saying?
I know.
It's ridiculous.
Wait, I smell the blood of an Englishman?
Yeah, exactly.
Fee-fi-fo-fum.
Exactly.
That's exactly what it is.
I saw Ali Wong right before Christmas.
And there's this hilarious joke.
I'm not going to give it away, obviously, because she's working on that.
But it was so funny.
And my friends and I have just been saying it all fucking week.
And I said all the time.
Yeah.
But I was like,
what is this?
Like,
why are we saying this?
So I had to,
I had to Google it.
It's obviously from England and,
or it's from,
it's from Britain.
Apparently,
like,
I don't know,
in 1500,
it used to be Gaelic, basically saying there's like a tasty British man somewhere around here.
That sounds like us.
That sounds like the Irish.
Always just eating the British.
Yeah.
Victimizing the British, the Irish.
Absolutely.
It's a good diet.
It's really heavy in fiber.
Not really good on spices.
In no way are they projecting on the
Irish. Yeah, I know.
Because they'll eat us. They'll eat us. Why?
Oh my god, they'll eat us. I don't know why we have to eat
all their potatoes and serve them. We didn't even do nothing.
We didn't even do nothing.
But Fee-Fi-Foe-Fum
is just a
fucking great opener.
To clarify,
could you just say Feefi-fo-fum
and you knew it like oh there's something tasty around is that like that's the idea because it's
from it's from jack and the beanstalk and so it's like i smell the bones of an englishman i don't
know there's a whole rhyme kind of situation that happens but the idea is that i smell the blood is
the one that i always heard growing up and yeah that's like scary to think of something. But that's also true.
Like mosquitoes can smell your blood.
So that's a real piece of horror movie fact from nature
that made it into my childhood brain.
So that's what I was looking up.
It's a hilarious joke, but I can't say more
because I don't want to give it away.
I appreciate that.
But it was so good to see her
because she's reflecting on like her divorce and
stuff like that and sort of like her new boo which you guys probably saw who's her new hater oh god
bill hater the two of them just like creatively are very powerhouses hater wong okay hater wong
dynasty yeah oh my goodness i didn't yeah i'm so behind i'm like are you really that behind you didn't know you didn't know about this i look your guns are my brain on pause like
like right before christmas and then i got back i'm like what's going on like don't let me this
is like years old kicking it and we've talked about it on the show before i think oh really
look yeah okay get look like i said i'm jet lag joe namath okay my daily rhythms are all fucked
up i don't know what's going on but i do like with that rhyme though it's like if you said it look, okay, look, like I said, I'm jet lag Joe Namath. Okay. My rhythm, they're all fucked up.
I don't know what's going on,
but I do like with that rhyme though.
It's like,
if you said it like in America,
it would be fee,
five,
full,
foam.
I smell the blood of an English man.
But like,
I feel like as a,
as kids,
we were,
it was always read to us as English man.
You know what I mean?
I smell the blood of an Englishman.
Yeah.
I went on a date with Olivia Munn.
There it is.
Yeah, there's all ways to approach that one.
We've all been there.
What?
Another comedy super couple, you know?
Another.
Yeah.
She's so hot.
She's killing it.
Is Fee-Fie-Foe-Fum serving cunt?
Like, that's the question that I think we all need to...
Fee-Fie-Foe-Fum.
This nursery rhyme is serving cunt.
Serving cunt. Okay, now someone someone's gonna pick that up and do it
I wanna see a drag performance where V5 Faux Fum
Is the opening line
And then you like see someone
And it's like cunt cunt cunt
Cunt cunt cunt
And it goes VV5 Faux Faux Fum
And it's just like
Serving Cunt
V5 Faux Fum I already see the B, B, five, five, four, four, five. And it's just like, dun, dun, dun. Yeah. Serving cup.
B, five, four, five.
Yeah.
I can already see.
I already see.
This is taking over all the ball battles.
We can see it happening already.
There it is. It's just a great opener, though.
What is something you think is overrated?
Grad school.
Grad school is overrated, guys.
What?
You might be jet lagged.
Joe Namath, I am just over it.
I went to grad school about a decade ago and I'm still paying on it.
And that's the part that like really bums me out.
And I really have a big issue with the Department of Education.
You guys suck.
The Department of Education, like I was working for local government for a decade, basically,
so that I could write off the remainder of my student loan debt.
And I'm not there yet.
I'm just just just shy of being able to write
it off. And so it's just a bummer how much it dictates your life when you take on student loan
debt. If I were to get married, for example, all of a sudden my income goes up and now the student,
you know, the department of basically the student loans will charge me more monthly. It's just such
a monkey on my back, a fucking thorn in my side and i'm just like why
did i go i do comedy now what the fuck was i like i did a whole you know degree you didn't go to
stand-up you didn't get a phd in stand-up comedy i did not i didn't go to clown college and and go
as far as i could go with all their classes no i just anyway so i'm just i'm at a point right now
where if anyone is telling me that they're considering grad school i want to sit them
down and be like okay you know let's really talk about why you want to do this, because it's such a it's such a financial commitment.
And I know plenty of people who went to grad school for whatever.
Maybe they went to law school.
Maybe they went to go get an MSW and they're not even working in those areas anymore.
So I'm just like, I don't know.
I was I was raised on like education is the way to like
access you know like you know it's a way to like to like build generational wealth and all these
different things like exactly upward mobility exactly and i just feel like on the receiving
end of like these seven percent and you know like aprs for my student loans i'm just like
it's yeah it's fucked man because once you get it
once you go into to get a professional degree they don't really have a lot of like financial
aid available when you're doing undergrad and you're getting your ba or something like that
yeah sure there's a lot of resources but the moment you're like getting a professional degree
which is what i did a master's in urban planning it becomes just like it's like oh well you're
going to make money in this industry so we're not really going to help you out. So there's just less resources available. So anyway, I'm just like,
people, people out here are like thinking it's another way towards mobility. And I'm like, hey,
why don't we, why don't we talk about this? It's a lot of money. And I'm on that.
Yeah. It's hard to float upward when you are weighed down with debt.
That motion can be completely stifled by that when you got because like i
have friends who are in the same thing where like they had a career and something they felt really
passionate about and then at a certain point they're like you know like i'm actually really
into this completely other thing like i i only got a ba in history because like the same thing
like my family like you have to eat like you don't know what you don't know what this world could bring you but if you have this degree like more doors can open but in the back of my
mind i always knew i was going to do something with just being creative or being in comedy or
something like that so i never it never struck me to keep going with that for you did you like
have that in your mind like maybe i'll do something you are really focused you're like no this is it
i'm like urban planning this is where i'm'm going. This will be my life. And then things change.
Or how did that play out for you? Yeah. I mean, I, I, I found myself good at what I did. You know,
that's the problem. Like the moment that you're good at something, especially if you're in local
government, everybody, like you get raises, you get like, so I was doing really well in my career.
I was constantly, you know, getting raises getting raises getting promoted but i was just disconnected from it and i would go do like a i would do like
an amazing show and get like a standing ovation like i would just produce my own shit and then
i would go back to work on monday like oh like this is so lame like i'm sending emails and writing
a i'm working on a powerpoint right now right, right. And I just felt so disconnected to the mission. You know, and I'm, as a producer and as a creative,
I definitely support and want to continue supporting small businesses.
That's still part of, like, my DNA, you know?
But, like, I don't necessarily need to be the person working on that
like I had been for so long.
So, I don't know.
I just, I feel like it's one of those things where
I think a lot of people jumped into grad school,
especially, like, right after 08, because they were like, well, the job market sucks right now.
We're in the middle of a recession.
That's what I did.
I started grad school in 2010.
The job market was like, we're not ready.
We're not ready, actually.
Actually, could you go back?
We're not ready.
Exactly.
Don't come out now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was like, let me get skilled up real quick and let me go ass up in debt.
Skilled up, ass up.
Yeah.
Skilled up, ass up. B-5- yeah we actually just had a somebody on to talk about the sandwich
generation the how a lot of americans are going to be taken care of.
Their elderly relatives and young people at the same time
and the dependency ratio of it all.
But Diana Law, her overrated was just like going to college in general
because she spends all this time looking at people's finances
and the financial situation they find themselves in
towards the end of these difficult difficult volatile times of their lives and being in debt is really
not what you need at those times yeah no not at all and they they went around saying that like
student loan debt is good debt and back in 2019 i was like seriously considering buying a condo
i was like all right let's go do this and the broker ran my numbers and was like seriously considering buying a condo. I was like, all right, let's go do this. And the broker
ran my numbers and was like, hey,
you're in great shape. You've got great credit and you
have good income and a steady job, all that fun
stuff. Yeah, your student loan debt is like
way too high. So your debt to income ratio is just not
good. So go ahead and pay off some
debt and get back to me. And I'm like,
bro.
Yeah. So anyway,
I'm just I'm just bitter and uh the stupid u.s
department of the federal department of education was like um student loans are back to being paid
you're on track good job you know and i'm like can i get this written off already i'm done i'm tired
i just want to go joke for a living you know what i mean like let me just go tell jokes for a living
get off my ass so anyway anyway, that's me.
Think really, really hard, guys, if you
do want to go to grad school.
Let's talk about what this really is like
paying it back because I'm 10 years out
and shouldered
with debt. My God. Anyway.
Think about it as though it's a
thing that costs that much money.
It's not magic money.
It is actually.
That's what I think is just important like just in general for young people to like really
kind of take the time to think about like what is what you want to do because again especially
for elder geriatric millennials like us we were fed a steady fucking diet of like oh you want the
fucking car oh you want a house? Oh, you
want that life? You've got to go to college. You've got to go get this kind of degree, that
kind of degree. And there are many other ways to obtain an income that can provide you a life that
you want. And then at a certain point, you may get disillusioned as I was because I graduated
in 2007 from college and I was like, what the fuck is all this shit about? What the fuck was it all
for?
And yeah, it took a while for me to like embrace what I really wanted to do.
So give yourself some time if you can.
I know it's not easy and that's not a possibility for everybody, but so much of that is being like.
And I just want to, I want to add one more layer to that.
You brought it, you brought that up and I, and I remembered Miles, you know, and I grew up in a working class community in the Bay.
And like for for communities of color, it's always sort of touted as this way of social mobility, you know, and it's this like education is like this thing.
But the reality of the situation is unless you have family support, like unless there's like financial support, like you're essentially taking out all this debt on your own, you know.
And so, you know, college can cost college can cost 120 plus thousand depending on so it's one of these things where it's like hey you're a person of color and you
want to like increase your chances of economic mobility in future like go ahead and go to school
but the systems are created for people who have support and if you don't have that you will be
you will and so i think there's like so many there's so many generate like like i feel like
there's a lot of elder millennials like myself that are like, we got sold that and we're still paying for it, you know? And so that's something also to consider that it's, it's, it's also implicating communities of color even more so. So anyway, that's, uh, yeah, that's my downer guys. Sorry. Starting off the new year with some bitterness.
downer-ness. That's actually one of the least downer, downer things that could be uttered about this year so far. So yeah, we're doing great. We're doing great. We're doing great.
What is something you think is underrated? This is really silly, but I was watching a
steady diet of all these holiday rom-coms and I just love the holiday. And I think like people
don't talk about it enough. They're always in conversations about love actually and the holiday is just sweet and lovely and it's just i don't know it's from it was i think it came
out in 2006 2006 yeah winslet kate winslet cameron diaz cameron said cameron diaz and jude motherfucking law
it's just a sweet it's just a sweet movie and i love that the love story so basically kate
winslet is living in england in love with a man he's a dick and he like and ends up getting
engaged and doesn't tell and doesn't tell her what's happening so she's all devastated because
this is the man she loves who doesn't love her back.
And then Cameron Diaz finds out her
boyfriend is cheating on her. Anyway,
they do this housing swap
thing, which doesn't check out safety
wise, but it was for the premise
of the movie. But they
swap houses and then they fall in love
while they're swapping houses. So Kate Winslet
goes to Los Angeles and
then Cameron Diaz goes to this little cozy cottage
in England and falls in love with the brother of her,
the house swap lady.
It's really sweet.
Jack Black is in it.
There's like a beautiful musical score sort of theme
that underwrites the whole thing.
And what I loved the most about it was
Kate Winslet's neighbor is this elderly screenwriter from like the heydays of like the golden Hollywood type of times.
And he's a sweet old man.
And so I love how her love story is really about finding love through sort of helping some elderly man kind of find his confidence.
Anyway, I was like, no one talks about this movie and it's great.
So I saw so many write-ups actually about the holiday
this year really okay maybe because everyone was like shut the fuck up about love actually there's
a new fucking cunt in town and it's the fucking holiday and i think and a lot of people were
talking about a just like the just a huge uptick in interest from like gen z and like younger
millennials and then also other
people being like it's actually mid as fuck so like people like there's like again it's it's
it's basically i think a lot of people saying it's starting to replace love actually as being
a movie you can fucking tug and pull and argue about over but i get it like you know people
it's we love the nostalgia we love i'm gonna have to see it. You got to watch it.
It's really sweet.
I mean, there are some annoying tropey things with the women, but whatever.
Not that I'm going to look past it, but I'm not looking to this to set an example for what women should be doing in a relationship.
But, you know, it's silly and fun.
And the thing is that Cameron Diaz's character can't cry.
And they set up that thing as like her issue at the start of the movie.
She's a hard-working Hollywood lady who can't cry.
No, she's got to be able to cry.
Well, if she finds the love of her life, maybe she will.
It's sweet.
It's cute.
I like it a lot.
And I was just like, this movie is so solid.
And they invented Airbnb before Airbnb was a thing.
Yes, exactly.
The little house swap.
Yeah.
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The richest human being on the planet.
Richest person maybe in the history of the planet.
Elon Musk.
There's a Wall Street Journal article
detailing his drug use.
Concerns by his board that he's using drugs.
But they report very confidently that he's constantly going to parties and doing LSD and cocaine.
And it's kind of weird to see people talk about an adult like this
and be like, we think he's doing drugs.
It was really written in the hushed tones of a high school gossip,
like a mom in high school,
like mother of a high school student is like,
I think they're doing drugs at these parties.
Are they?
You can tell me. I'm a cool mom you can tell me i'm a cool mom but yeah people close to musk who is now 452 uh which that is necessary
to point out said his drug use is ongoing especially his consumption of ketamine which
is becoming very popular illegal drug use would likely be a violation of federal policies that could jeopardize SpaceX's billions of dollars in government contracts.
Musk is intrinsic to the value of his companies, potentially putting at risk around $1 trillion in assets held by investors, tens of thousands of jobs, and big parts of the U.S. space program. program his response was like i've been getting it reminded me actually of like when lance armstrong
like when people were like we think he might be doing like illegally doping yeah right and he was
like yeah i'll tell you what i've been on you think i've been on drugs i've been on my rear
end on the bike every morning working my butt off zelon mus was like, they haven't found a trace of any drug in my system
for all three years since I smoked.
Like, I guess when he smoked a joint
on the Joe Rogan show,
it was like a big deal.
Like SpaceX had to like
take all these meetings with NASA.
NASA was like,
are you guys like a drug company?
No.
Is that what you are?
We're drug free.
So the way to be. you guys like a drug company? No. Is that what you are? We're drug free. And so.
The way to be.
He,
he started having to like do random drug tests.
Yeah.
But like from his own company,
like,
please.
Exactly.
I haven't popped on a single drug test.
The company that I own gave me that could put trillions of dollars at risk.
Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
No,
no way.
He could have fooled a random drug test issued
by his company to him the richest most powerful man in the world by a number of people who would
stand to lose a fortune if he failed no that seems foolproof to me i can't see how he would
it's like yeah oh my god let's just but also like it's the wall street journal too so you know
there's like this element of financial hit piece where it's like people who want Musk out of these companies, too, are like being like, hey, I don't know.
Is this your king?
Maybe if he left the company, that might be better because put a trillion dollars at risk.
Right.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm not like I'm not here to side with Elon Musk at all.
But it's interesting to see.
I feel like this article is wildly unfair to drugs.
Yeah.
Right.
For real.
Because he does such whack shit on drugs.
So the article talks about this meeting.
Seriously, leave drugs alone.
Elon Musk, first of all, leave drugs alone
because you're going to lose a lot of people to drugs.
But there is this
one good story where they say people around Musk long ago became accustomed to his volatile
behavior. Some SpaceX executives who had long worked with him, however, noticed a change at
a company event in late 2017. Hundreds of SpaceX employees gathered around mission control at the
rocket company's headquarters in Hawthorne, California, in anticipation of Musk, who was nearly an hour late to arrive at the all-hands meeting about
the company's latest rocket.
When he finally took the stage, Musk was strangely incomprehensible at times.
He slurred his words and rambled for about 15 minutes, according to executives in attendance,
and referred repeatedly to SpaceX's Big Falcon rocket prototype,
which was known as BFR as Big Fucking Rocket.
Oh, my God.
But if you like Big Fucking Rocket,
yeah, great.
What?
Dude, are you saying?
Okay, okay.
Look, sure, you waited an hour.
People who went to see Lauryn Hill
had to wait a lot longer than that.
Exactly.
You know what I mean? So let's keep things in perspective it's just like such boring
shit to do well on drugs he like gets high and makes terrible jokes and speculates about stuff
to do with like where he's going to put his money right just like bro man yeah how boring i mean
it's giving succession and that it's like planting an idea out there like you know know, like we want to, you know, like it's kind of shaping me.
I'm not that I'm not in defense of Elon at all, by the way.
But like, it's really shaping this narrative of like, oh, no, he's incomprehensible.
And it's interesting.
I'm here for it, actually.
And I think it's hilarious that he like gets gets high and then goes to an all hands on deck meeting.
Like how fucking lame is that?
Most people want to go out and party, and he's like, no, no, no, let's go talk about this big fucking rocket.
It's like drugs just give you the same.
Drugs don't change your personality.
They just give you the same personality, just like more so.
Right.
You know?
And he has a bad personality.
He has a terrible sense of humor.
He has a bad personality.
He has a terrible sense of humor.
And so he just is doubling and tripling down on all of those things when he's on drugs.
That's got to be really unfun to be around him, though, honestly, when he's on drugs.
It's like, oh, God, he's on drugs. Got to go.
Bye.
I feel like I would probably have a fucking existential crisis being high near him.
I'd be like, yo, this guy's a fucking destroyer of worlds.
And his jokes
are fucking not funny,
and he's trying to get me to laugh,
and I'm fake laughing, because I don't know
what the fuck I was, I don't know how the fuck I got here.
Oh, Elon.
Yeah, it would send
people down, yeah, they would have a bad
trip, for sure. Could you imagine doing LSD with
Elon Musk? Fuck no. Can you imagine?
There's no way.
I mean, that's the other thing is like, how the fuck, again, no one of our way of thinking
would ever be like, yeah.
And then, you know, he brought out some tabs of acid and I said, yeah, fuck it.
Like, let's just.
Yeah, fuck it, man.
With Elon Musk.
I mean, when are you going to get the chance to do acid with Elon fucking Musk?
Am I right, brother?
Anyways.
If I want to get dropped in the same friolator as the Musk man, dude,
I'm fucking taking that chance.
The Musk man.
He often emails company lieutenants in the middle of the night
and hosts work meetings at midnight.
Vacation is a strong word.
For me, it is email with a view.
Ew.
Okay.
And then that new Elon Musk biography talks about how he goes into like demon mode where he like enters into a state of intense fury and frequently like lashes out at employees and executives.
So cool, man.
Sounds fun.
Way to brand.
Mental illness, actually.
Way to brand your abusive behavior is just demon mode.
Yeah, dude, I went full demon mode on their ass, bro.
You know how i go bro
oh shit my boy got beast mode you know what i mean yeah demon mode demon mode these kids talk
about goblin mode i got demon mode yeah and it's um it's just really it's a lot of crying and um
i threw a fucking ipad at my assistant's head like a Frisbee.
That motherfucker had to get 18 stitches on the back of their dome piece
because I went straight demon mode.
Demon mode!
I think there's people who really think like,
oh, it's a sign of brilliance that he is emotionally unwell
and has outbursts.
Well, that's the thing.
Yeah.
I mean, there hasn't been a CEO
who openly embraced the drug side of Rockstar, right?
But that's how they're treated.
So I could see this being a new thing.
That they're just being treated
as if they can do no wrong
and that every bad piece of behavior
is part of their mystique and especially him so like i could see him create ushering in this new
horrible era of like ceos not just like quietly being the worst human beings on earth but like
openly being yeah and everyone's just like oh shit Branson's on one
oh dude my boy just went demon
mode and fucking cut like 14,000
jobs bro that was sick
doggy but it's like think about
how like influential watching people smoke
cigarettes was for like our generation
and older like
I mean and then his behavior now
like whatever this is putting out
there for younger people who hopefully don't aspire.
I think most people probably turned off by him, like in his behavior.
But just seeing how that how that will trickle down culturally.
I mean, like it's I mean, we're already seeing it through the fucking website formerly known as X.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's too much.
He's he's he's doing way too much.
He's too much.
All right. it's it's too much he's he's he's doing way too much he's too much all right uh maybe something
you can look into that i'm hearing a lot about in the past week is sober january dry january
whatever dry january sober january sober but january yeah that's a new i mean not a new thing
but i feel like in the last eight ish five ten years that's a that's a very wide
range i just quoted right there but you see that more like because again we know people abstain
from drinking in january they're like gotta give my you know just give my like my liver a fucking
break here okay in january and get the benefits like again my liver being less strained i can
sleep better and something called like mental
clarity or whatever the fuck right in this there's a vice story that's starting about the rise of the
sober butt january i'm sober but i've been smoking weed and psychedelics and that shit is okay
going to elon musk lsd parties in mexico damn mexico way and like most experts will tell
you that like it is way better to not be fucked off the booze when taking drugs like combining
the two is like that can that'll really cause some problems and that there are you know certain
harm reduction benefits from transitioning off like regular alcohol used to cannabis
but i guess like my larger sort of
question as I sit here and ponder things is how are we like even defining like sort of sobriety
these days? Like, cause I know that we are like, we're talking about the, like, you know,
is it that we're talking about the original intent of something like a dry January and that you
shouldn't be drinking alcohol? You should be completely abstaining from any kind of mood altering or mind altering substances or is it just about like which
which thing which what are we going for with this and like because I'm a regular smoker okay of the
weed but in Japan the weed of the weed of the weed in Japan, that is a quick way to get in some serious shit.
So it's no problem for me.
They do not fuck around with drugs.
No.
They have Paul McCartney's ass up.
They're like, we don't give a fuck what the fucking Beatles were.
You were fucking around with cannabis?
No, no.
Get the fuck out of here.
The Pocalolo?
No, no, no.
But like, so for me, I was like, yeah, whatever.
Like, I'm totally fine not having
like thc or like having like sneak edibles or find a vape or some shit like that and it didn't
affect my mood or my sleep in fact i had the most vivid dreams i've had in a while and was able to
like just recall them in the morning and just bore her majesty i was like yo i just had this one
dream i was dj kyle was driving me around like in the tunnels of like some city.
Yo, DJ Khaled did my dreams too.
Really?
I was like, what if DJ Khaled was like the Nicolas Cage?
We were in a Rolls Royce and I was like, yo, you're driving a little too.
I was in the back like, yo, stop.
Or like just random coworkers.
A metaphor for what his music does to you, man.
Dude, I had a dream where I had to entertain a dining room full of people with a small dragon toy.
Like that was clearly made for a child.
But I had to go around to all the guests and be like, ooh.
As I was entertaining my baby or some shit.
That's a parent dream for sure.
And people were like, oh, this is brilliant.
This is brilliant.
But I was so stressed about keeping the vibe.
Media de arte.
Yeah.
This man is a genius.
vibe media day arte yeah this man is a genius but like so but the other thing on the other hand i started drinking alcohol every day like i would have i like but not i wasn't getting pissed or
anything but i like i don't normally drink during the week or usually most most of the time but i
was having a beer like with all my meals or have like a high ball and things like that.
And just like a little nightcap put me in like a nice little beddy by mood.
So then in my mind, I'm like, what is what is my what is my relationship to weed?
Like is like by textbook definitions, am I dependent?
And I looked at what The New York Times said.
How do you know if you smoke too much weed?
And I'm not really taking those boxes except for the fact that my tolerance is very high but then it just sort of got me just sort of thinking about when we talk
about like we need to have a sober january is that for like just for our own ego or for our
own ability to say like we have some control but then we immediately just sort of shift
a lot of the way it was like sober but i'd be off the mushrooms every day. Like, so again, and this is all part of like, we're definitely in this transitional period
or just in a phase where we talk about this on the show all the time, like more and more
younger people are not that into getting absolutely fucked up drinking or flying off the cocaine,
like it's the eighties or something.
And I'm like, so I'm like, what do all these things mean now?
Especially as we're in like an era
where we have like deeper
and more nuanced understandings
of things like chemical
or substance abuse, dependency
and like sobriety is sort of,
I'm like, what does that all mean?
And are we, do we need to say these things?
Or is it just about taking care of ourselves
and not to knock anybody that's doing it?
But like the terminology,
we have so much terminology.
I'm like, I'm like, well, where, what is,
what is the thing we're ultimately trying to land on?
I mean, yeah. In the beginning, I think it was all about your liver, right?
Cause everybody was talking about how much drinking they do in the holidays.
I drink a ton during the holidays.
There's always like a party or a get together. And I don't, to be honest,
like I don't, I don't really do drugs. I'm kind of lame in that way,
but I'm surrounded because i'm a comic i'm surrounded by people who are on one sometimes
or you know it's more yeah exactly and yeah it'll i'll be sitting next to someone who's about to go
up who's like yeah i'm fully on shrooms right now and they are hitting and then i'm like how the
hell do you go out and get on that set and you know people are just used to it right yeah but i
i i i'm so used to so
many people who are like oh i'm sober and then i fully will see them smoking weed so it's like that
that like california sober you know where you smoke you know you smoke on it too and you'll
be doing some some lightweight you know shrooms do a little bit of micro dosing on the weekends
that kind of thing so i don't know i i i'm not sober during january yeah you're like i already oh because i've had
like my sister's birthdays at the beginning of the year i've got a couple of birthdays
in the month of january there's always outings and stuff and i don't feel like i do enough i
drink enough to to like necessitate me like like taking a break that's what i'm curious like what
you know because like is it is it purely because like for some
people it's like they this gives like some semblance of control it's like yeah and i can
completely switch that off but then i'd be doing ketamine all day that's what i'm saying that's
but and so i'm not trying to knock it i'm not trying to knock that because i'm i find myself
i was like well you know i didn't have i wasn't smoking weed but then i also found another thing
that was kind of giving me a little bit of a good feeling.
It wasn't, it wasn't to the point where I'm taking it, where I'm like, yeah, man, I don't know where my baby is right now.
You know what I mean?
That sounds like a YP, babe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounded like a DBP, that baby problem.
Not mine.
Yeah.
I used to quit drinking for L lent every once in a while usually
it was because something and like not because it was just like my family when i was growing up would
always give something up for lent sure and so that made sense because i was like sober curious
you know and because sometimes i would smash my...
I think the first time I did it,
I had recently gotten too drunk
and smashed my face on the pavement.
Oh, shit.
I tripped over a fire...
What's it called?
Hydrant?
Fire hydrant?
Yeah.
I tripped over a fire hydrant.
I tripped over one of those My Own Shoes.
Basically, I tripped over a fire hydrant and didn't put my hands down to catch myself.
Smashed, fucking smotched my face up, bro.
And then was like at work, I was like, oh, I was playing basketball.
And so then I quit drinking for like that Lent and would do it every once in a while.
But then, you know, so I think it's a good thing to try out.
Like now I don't drink at all for a number of years.
And that definitely was kind of the only thing for me.
Like it got to a point where it wasn't really a decision.
But I think I'm glad like I did that.
So I knew how like I knew that I could like hang out with people without alcohol once it was time to get sober.
Although when I was younger, I talk about, like, compensating for a thing.
I became, like, a smoker when I would quit.
Like, not a weed smoker, like a cigarette smoker.
I mean, I lived in New York.
It was a lot of cigarette smoking out there.
A lot of cigarette smoking.
But I was like, this is what I'll do right right right right yeah yeah just like i think i'll harm myself somehow
no because i think it is for for people who like actually like are thinking like man maybe i should
try to like this month drink less alcohol like i credit to you like if you find a way to give
yourself that kind of positive benefit or a little bit more control of your life for sure.
But then I feel like then there's just certain times when I think when I see
this kind of thing,
I'm like,
are people just engaging with this sort of disingenuously too,
where it's like,
where it's like,
yeah,
I'm just not drinking alcohol.
Like I'm just not drinking alcohol,
but then,
but also want to say I'm doing like sober January.
It's like,
you don't got to do all that.
Like,
right.
You know,
if that's just what it is,
then just,
that's what it is.
But you don't have to bring in, like, I guess all this branding of it. When, if in fact you're like right you know if that's just what it is then just that's what it is but you don't have to bring in like i guess all this branding of it when if in fact you're like you
know you can shift other things or what i don't know all that to say is i'm just i just found
myself sort of like looking about looking at the substances that i consume and like my relationships
to them and i'm just like i'm you know in any other case you be like people who are like, like people who really smoke weed like that.
They're like, it fucks with their mood when they can't smoke weed.
I can't fucking sleep.
I don't fucking eat.
But like I said, my dreams are amazing.
I ate probably more than I even did when I'm smoking weed somehow, because I think this is what Japanese food does to you.
And it's so cheap that I also had it. I also had another existential crisis when I realized how much we pay for fucking food in the United States.
And many tears came out of the corners of my eyes just getting a pizza.
So the food is just cheaper?
Like good food and also cheaper?
Yes.
And look, as I straddle both cultures american and japanese i see the positives
and negatives of both like you know we're in japan it's very much a monoculture and you
you basically the individual is not celebrated and in fact you want to stifle that in service
of like conformity so that expresses itself in many other ways where american is so individualistic
it's like we don't give a fuck about each other. And I'm like, well, you know, there's a balance there.
Yeah.
But then also like it's also like how things are sort of in Europe, too, where food and like getting together with people isn't something that people should be priced out of.
Like there's always going to be a place where you can afford to get together your friends, get something to eat.
If you want to have a beer or whatever, whatever all that shit is very affordable and it's not like man like i can't i
can't even afford to go out anymore like how things are in the u.s so for example like you can get
like locally there'll be like a person who just makes sushi not like a restaurant but just kind
of has stuff that you can grab and go and like take to a friend's house and things like that there was like a rice bowl like a donburi as we call it that was on top 50 percent poro okay fatty tuna that's the
the tuna belly and then the other half was ikura the salmon roe those are kind of like higher
priced items like when you have sushi that fucking bowl like just to grab a go-to-go was eight dollars oh that's nice what the fuck
and like if you saw it like when hermetic and i were just looking at again we're like man this
shit would be fucking 46 in la truly oh yeah yeah and i get that there's like importing it and that
cost those costs associated but even like when you go to like a regular restaurant like things
are like even something that's quote unquote higher end, the amount that
you could actually consume for the amount that you're spending is like very different. And yeah,
you just sort of begin to see those things. You're like, God, we just like consumers are just so
like, there's just no regard for consumers and how they live their lives in the United States.
Cause it's purely like, there's no culture about being like, well, these things like should be
available to everyone rather than like, well, it's our fault, Miles.
It's our fault.
They gave us too much money during the pandemic.
Don't you remember that?
Right, right.
That's right.
That caused inflation.
That caused eggs to be too expensive.
Right.
And now we must make a line go hockey stick from hell up.
Yeah, that's right.
Just right angle.
H-E double hockey stick.
That's what I'm saying.
That's a great investment.
I lived in England for a period of time but
this is like maybe five a little over five years ago and i remember going out to eat dinner out
there was so freaking expensive but it made sense though because when you went to the grocery stores
food was much more of it was much more cheaper so when we'd go out it was like a treat you know
i remember we went to like a pizza like i think it was even pizza hut or round table some
american chain right and just got a couple of things it was like 50 which well they have to
get all that shit flown in because british people don't know how to make pizza yeah that's true and
they had to they had to put effort on the spices anyway it was one of those things where i feel
like i'm in england now like i feel like like because i we could we could go out and you know
2019 pre-pandemic we could like go out and have a meal and it would be like i don't know
30 bucks a person now i feel like every time i go to brunch i'm dropping 50 you know what i mean
like i'm just and i'm like what did i just buy like i'm dropping you know it's a hundred bucks
it's a minimum like if you start adding drinks into it you're looking at 120 130 you know what
i mean so it's just like it's i'm starting to feel like like what it used to be like oh it's a treat it better be a treat
because of how damn much money it is to be eating out these days you know and even groceries too
and this is something people talk about all the time and like as i get i see dude i've been when
i got back and i turn my text message shit back on like on my cellular like you know my cell plan
or whatever all the texts on my cellular data
elder millennial real quick yeah sorry all of my text messages came in uh sms messages had arrived
on my cellular telephone there you go the amount of fundraising fucking text i was getting like
this is the last chance for joe biden to stop trump destroying democracy when are people gonna
and then like also seeing the headlines are like,
people need to be reminded that like democracy is on the line in this
election or whatever.
I'm like,
y'all are talking about the wrong fucking thing over and over again.
Because like,
like what we're talking about right now,
most people are not engaged with politics.
Most people are engaged with,
I got to go to the store and get fucking fed.
I got to feed my kids.
And usually I, if I didn't have money to go out and buy some shit or maybe go to a, like
a normal restaurant, then guess what?
McDonald's, Taco Bell, whatever fast food was an easy way to get everybody fed.
And now that shit is also like fast food is now like aspirational and shit.
Yes.
And so to that end, like when I see all that, I'm like, y'all are fucking missing the whole entire point here.
Like you can keep talking about like wage growth and shit like that.
But people constantly talk about the shit I can get for $70 at the grocery store.
It's laughable right now.
And I don't like and why?
Like, how come the people who have their suits on or standing at the podiums aren't really talking about that?
They're talking about like, why don't you understand how good the economy is and what Trump will do in this democracy?
I'm like, well, if this democracy and I'm voting for the people that are supposed to help make my life easier or not, then what the fuck is this thing?
Just feel like what it is.
Capitalist smoke machine.
They're not in touch.
They're so out of touch.
Like that.
That's why, again, back on my rant about the student loan shit, because Biden was like, oh, we're going to write that shit off.
What the fuck did Biden do?
Cut to nada.
Yeah.
Nada.
So.
Yoink.
Yeah, exactly.
So, you know, 2024 is going to be very fun.
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And we're back.
and we're back and so there's a civil trial being brought by uh new york attorney general against the nra and several of his executives that got underway i guess yesterday so basically
like the nra was a bullshit like wait hold on what just i don't even don't even finish it wait all right
finish the sentence and then i'll be sure okay go on so wayne lapierre whose name you might
recognize like wayne lp head of the nra was using funds as his own personal piggy bank
he basically squandered money on luxury travel,
other perks for himself and family members,
charged with using NRA's funds for more than $11 million worth of private jet flights over the years,
awarded $135 million in NRA contracts to a vendor
who then gave him access to a private yacht
and free luxury vacations.
What, is he a Supreme Court justice? What the fuck is this? Living big, okay. who then gave him access to a private yacht and free luxury vacations.
What, is he a Supreme Court justice?
What the fuck is this?
Living big, okay.
So, I mean, you know, sometimes people ask the question,
how do these people sleep at night?
Very comfortably in luxury yachts. Yeah, exactly.
A hundred footer or whatever the fuck.
This motherfucker, like doctoring invoices,
retaliating against board members and executives who questioned his spending.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, just like all the shit.
He's just like full-on, like full-blown, pedal-to-the-metal corrupt dude.
Set up a $17 million contract with the NRA if he were to exit the organization.
So he did have to resign, a few days ago and just got 17 million dollars presumably yeah he bowed out right
before the trial began too yeah the trial just started like yesterday and a few days earlier he
bowed out not before putting like racking up a huge shopping spree at zanya uh which he was like
hey given the fact that i was the face of the brand like don't don't i have to look good i love
that i love those fucking arguments for overspending or spending like i like these people
like i thought you were protecting the second amendment they're like motherfucker that's the
name of my jet okay and i was protecting that shit with a new coat of wax
because i don't like to land dusty but then to say things like well i have to be on a jet or i have
to be on a yacht because i can't do regular people shit because my organization is so corrupt and
puts other people at risk constantly that people threaten me so that's why i must travel in that
sense and it's like okay right uh-huh I can't do what y'all do.
Okay.
I like also they called it how he was running, as they call it, a veritable Wayne's world.
Yeah.
They did make it.
Letitia James did make the, uh, call it.
Yeah.
For a while, the NRA became Wayne's world.
Because it's named Wayne.
He also suggested that a yacht vacation, this is even
better than the Zingna
shopping spree. The yacht vacation
he went on was actually a security
retreat because he was facing threats
after mass shootings.
So he had to go.
Oh, so not only can I not take regular vacations
but now to decompress after
rah-rah-ing mass shootings
I'm like, I had to get my mind right on a yacht because people were so fucking mad at me.
It was supposed to fly commercial?
People are so mad at me about all the mass shootings that I'm partially responsible for.
I hate that we can't go out to eat dinner because it's so damn expensive in this country.
And this fool is just like, $11 million in PJs.
Killing it. Literally. Yeah. expensive in this country and this fool is just like 11 million dollars in pjs killing it yeah
literally yeah well that gives us something to aspire for kids you know yeah shouldn't have gone
to college i should have just right uh wayne lapierre type it's not too late it's not too
late for my right word turn it does seem like he might have been a overall like a good thing for
the world because he was like so fucking corrupt
and now it feels like they're going to be able to make the nra hopefully just like you know civil
suit the nra out of existence yeah they'll be they'll be pan am airlines right yeah you know
where people look back like remember that shit yeah and people like ironically were like dude
look at this likeRA shirt I found.
Right.
That would be great.
I doubt, I'm sure that there's enough energy on the right.
Something else will fill the void instantly.
That's how it works usually.
All right.
That is going to do it for today's episode.
Jackie, such a pleasure having you on the show as always uh where can people
find you follow you all that good stuff oh yeah you guys can find me at jackie comedy on instagram
that's where i'm mostly at actually i'm i'm jackie comedy on all things actually okay yeah instagram
is where i'm i where i just live i'm always on that damn incredible yeah yeah early oh yeah well
it's funny because people can't spell
my last name so there was no way i was going to try to use that i'm like no one's going to find me
so i had to just jackie comedy it but yeah but yeah you guys can find me there and you can find
me in new york city next month i will be there um hosting and producing good medicine we're debuting
at the pearlman performing arts center which is the new theater at the World Trade Center. It just opened in September, actually.
So packnyc.org.
Get your tickets. It's going to be so fun.
All Native lineup. We've got Jana Schmieding.
You guys have seen her on Reservation Dogs.
She plays Bev, which is a hilarious
character. You guys should
catch the show. We've got Bobby Wilson,
also from Res Dogs. Ryan Bahi,
hilarious, and was
a Just for Laughs new face and um adrian
chowpa plus favorite of our listeners yeah exactly exactly brian bahi is amazing love him love him
great and is there a work of media that you've been enjoying oh yes yeah uh jeremy alan white
in calvin climb uh i've just been i have a couple of group chats and we've just been sharing
all of his photos the last couple of days.
Why? I don't
get it. What's so cool?
Something's wrong with his stomach, I think.
Yeah, he's got little things in there.
There's all these ripples on there.
You guys are just haters. Don't hate.
Don't hate. Just appreciate.
Oh, those are abs?
My bad. I just didn't know what the fuck that was.
Oh, my God.
Stop it.
Yeah, this Calvin Klein ad is hot.
And it's funny because I didn't know this.
He's like 5'7", which I love like a normal-sized king.
Is he a short king?
Is that considered a short?
I guess not.
5'7 is normal-sized.
5'7 is like pretty.
He's an average dude.
He's a normal size.
He's normal-sized, I'd say. But, yeah, he's an average dude. It's a normal size. He's normal sized, I'd say.
But yeah, it's, you know, he definitely got ripped for that new movie.
So he didn't look this fucking like ripped, you know, when he was in Bear, but fucking hot.
It's just, I'm into it.
I mean, this guy, he's got biceps like fucking Christmas ham.
Trump would be being like, look at this guy.
Wow.
Like Christmas ham, folks at this guy. Wow.
Ripped.
But what people are saying, they don't know where his belly button is.
That's what they're saying.
People are like, I see his belly button.
It's just not as defined.
Between two abs.
Yeah, exactly.
It's just nestled in there. Yeah, which is so funny because like sometimes you see it and the other time you stand up like the abs.
This man has such little body fat that like his stomach is like
cavernous down the middle. Yes.
Yeah. Wow.
His like hot face is like
real I don't know. It's hot.
It's hot but it's all no it's
just also it reminds me of like the
joke of like you know models
always look like they just smelled something bad
like
like huh what is that?
And there's one where he's pulling his ass
out of his underwear.
Uh-huh.
I think I'm like, he's farting.
That's what's happening.
Oh, like he's letting a fart out the back?
Yeah, letting it out.
That's a real bro move to do the
not fart through the underwear, but
fart on you.
Dude, that's classy. I don, like, not fart through the underwear, but like fart on you. Bro move?
Dude, that's classy.
She's like, bro, I don't like to get fart on my underwear.
Yeah.
Not on my Calvin Klein.
Not on my Calvin.
I respect these.
Now, let me get the butt out a little bit in the back.
I have class.
Okay.
I'm trying to objectify him here.
You guys are just turning it.
I'm turning him into a human being. I'm sorry.
I'm trying to relate. I'm trying to relate.
He makes me insecure, okay?
I have to bring him
down. Just got to knock
him down a couple notches. Make him humble.
How hard is it?
He's killing it.
This picture is like
50 feet tall on
Sunset Boulevard right now.
Yeah.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
I would take a picture.
You can see the belly button
in that one for sure.
Damn, how much work
does it take to fucking look?
Man.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why you could just
crawl in that belly button
and go to sleep, you know?
Hey, Jeremy Allen White fans
or physiologists, help me
so I could look like that
for maybe 10 minutes and then I'll, then I have to start eating Pizza Hut could look like that for maybe 10 minutes
and then
that I have to
start eating
Pizza Hut
and things like that
you gotta go back
to the regular food
this is the
I mean
he probably
has such a strict diet
and he probably
has to work out
like three times a day
there's no way
it's not a fun life
he's not having fun
you know
I guess
it's all how we
it's all how
look
different strokes
for different folks
could I tell myself
real interesting that he plays somebody who makes food because he clearly is not enjoying it
he's just he's probably like one of those like he just does chicken and broccoli or something
awful like yeah yeah right right all day good part of chicken just yeah but now he's riding
this wave so now it's like it probably makes him feel good. Like, okay, it was worth it. Look at me and Calvin Klein.
Thirst comments.
I've never seen thirst manifested in all these different ways in a comment section.
It's happening.
You've done something for language.
Reminds me of the Mark Wahlberg era, right?
Like that was the last time somebody was in a Calvin Klein underwear ad that was like this.
That made this much of a wave.
Yeah.
No, you're right.
You're right.'re right oh yeah like i was saying before we got on mic like the the the iconic like let me just tease y'all what
could be below that hasn't happened since uh untitled how does it feel the music video by
d'angelo yeah he's bringing it back he's bringing a comment that says the dick lines are deep.
Someone says seasonal depression is cured.
He doesn't even need a belly button and we still slobber emoji.
Yeah, exactly.
I like this one too.
Okay, what's stopping men from looking like this?
What's your problem?
Why are you so jealous?
This is, yeah, anyway,
this is a nice piece of media. Hey, he's with Rosalia,
right? I caught that. He's not
Rosalia. Is he really? Yeah.
They were canoodling.
Canoodling? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just saying. Miles, where can people
find you as they're working work media you've been enjoying i
know you have that one man show with the dragon puppet coming up the one man show the dragon
puppet i come into a dining room near you i will be sweating in a panic hopefully that my
one-dimensional style of entertainment for a baby does appeal to some of the heads of state
i'm telling you people were in tuxedos people were in fucking tuxedos in this
dream and it was like the walls were like gold and i was going around being like
and people were like it felt like that when jay-z did that art piece and shit with uh what's your
face abramovich and like in the gallery and shit and just the artist is present yeah yeah yeah just
like sort of like breaking my whole shit down.
I'm like,
yo,
this is watch this.
I can make the dragon do a flip like that.
Okay.
What else you got?
You can find me at miles of gray,
wherever they got the at symbols. I try and keep it consistent for you all.
A tweet.
I like,
look,
I opened up Twitter despite all the screams that I could hear in my mind.
Like this,
this might not be the healthiest decision,
but I found this a tweet by
at no dumper that tweeted tried watching the sopranos but the first word i heard was woke
turned it off immediately woke up this morning wow
loved it tweets i've been enjoying just a lot a lot of enjoying these like
cunt mother that like caleb gaman tweeted she committed human rights violations at
cantonimo slay
mark hamill tweeted a picture of him with natalie portman and said now i have finally met my mother
thanks to the at golden Globes because she played
his mother in the original
story. And I
sip tea on your grave tweeted. I totally
forgot she was Queen Amidala.
I really thought Mark was doing the whole
she swung a light slaber
in the Mos Eisley cantina
killing everyone before hopping
on the mothership
thing.
The internet is still good
for a lot of things.
For those things.
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follows a song that we think you might enjoy.
Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy?
Yeah, you know, I was looking on TikTok, and a lot of times you start hearing texts like,
what is this? Okay, put me on to something new. This is a track by Joey Valence and Bray, and it's called Hooligang, all caps.
And it just kind of has one of those early odds, kind of like M.O.P. energy type beats.
Although their lyrics are a little bit more on the humorous side.
So this is Hooligang.
Check this shit out.
Hooligang.
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