The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Brutal Losses for the Lakers and Sixers. Plus, the Annual Daniel Jeremiah and Todd McShay NFL Draft Preview!

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

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Must be 21 and older and present in select states. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com. I was thinking about all of us last night. I hope you were thinking about me. And I was thinking that so many of us just like basketball. It's not that you're rooting for Denver or LA or rooting for Philadelphia or the Knicks in that a lot of us fell into the category of being the neutrals entertain us, and I will move on from this result detached and boy, am I glad I'm a neutral after last night, I cannot fathom being a Lakers fan today or maybe even more so a Sixers fan. Let's break down the games.

Let's start in Denver. So this is the third time with Jamal Murray's game winner. Third time since 2000, the NBA playoff game was won on a buzzer beater when the team was down 20. We had one from Luca and then there's one from like Robert Ory 20 years ago. This was an incredible start for the Lakers. It's exactly what you'd want after D'Angelo Russell continuing these bad numbers against Denver last year in a bad game one. But I think a lot of times with him, people will be like, oh, you made a bunch

of shots, you played a great game. And I always feel like there's these other parts to it, but as far as the shooting's concerned, he's five for five on threes to get this one going as confidence there, you're always going to move a little bit better when your shots going down, your defense can be very related to your offensive output. AD is hitting everything. Um, you know, they had one stretch where the Lakers made 10 of 11 threes, but as I was looking at the score and watching these things happen, I go, okay, so

Russell's on fire, but we're talking about like a 38, 37 game. AD is still cooking. All right. But it's like 49, 39, like shouldn't it be more here than looking at some of the numbers here at the half? You're like, Yokech is three of five. He's taken five in total shots.

Murray's two with 10. Um, Murray ended up missing 16 of his first 19 shots that he took. Lakers did however close the half strong on a 21-7 run, kind of this continuation where the offense was just perfect from LA and you weren't getting enough from the two guys. Michael Porter Jr. was the only one keeping Denver in this game offensively. So at the half it's 59-44. I'm like, all Like I this makes sense,

but I expect that the Denver run is coming here. And it actually got worse for den. OK, I want to really dig into some stuff that happened here with LeBron in the third quarter that I love real basketball nerd stuff. Because I don't always notice this stuff right away. Sometimes I have to watch it over, but it was something that Reggie Miller

and Jamal Crawford were talking about in the broadcast. It was like during halftime, LeBron and AD went through different pick and roll scenarios and how they wanted to play this. So LeBron basically becomes the point guard for the second half of this game, and it was brilliant. So LeBron wants, because Jokic isn't an AD. He just wants to get AD coming up, setting the screen, two man game. Um, and they wanted to where there was only one of the Lakers player

offensively stuck in the corner with the other two away. But LeBron's like, look, let's just get Jokic into these spots where he has to play two people by himself, which is what you try to do against centers all the time. It's why Gobert is so good defensively. to play two people by himself, which is what you try to do against centers all the time. It's why Gobert is so good defensively where he's, he gives you a chance to hold up with this. Um, the harder thing is when you bring Gobert all the way away, but I mean, look, that happens to a lot of different centers, but in this case, it's like, let's make Jokic come up. Let's work him.

Let's make him move. All right. Even though AD was hitting everything up against him and LeBron's like, and then I'm going to figure it out from here. And it kept working. And then Denver calls a timeout because they're like, all right, we're getting burnt on our coverage here. So Denver comes out of the timeout.

Now Aaron Gordon is on AD and then Jokic is on Rui because they wanted to get him out of that action. LeBron sees it immediately, AD goes to set up the way they've been doing it, and AD is like, no, you now need to go out into the corner and Rui now needs to come up and set this again to get Jokic back in the action,

which I think was always the main concern prior to last year with Denver, where look, Jokic is better defensively than I would say the MB terrorists would want you to believe. main concern prior to last year with Denver, where look, Jokic is better defensively than I would say the MB terrorists would want you to believe. You're just gonna have to take my word for it. There's some defensive numbers that have him like off the charts amazing, which I would say,

I'm not quite sure about that, but like really the only thing we're asking is like, be positioned, be in the right position, know the help rules, like a lot of the simple stuff here. He's not gonna be as physically as imposing. He's not gonna make you think twice about finishing at, like a lot of the simple stuff here. He's not going to be as physically as imposing. He's not going to make you think twice about finishing at the rim, like some of the other bigger guys, more athletic guys at the rim, but asking Jokic in this spot to try to cover two guys.

And one of those guys is LeBron where he knows if you're shading away to the big who's rolling, he's just going to work you going down the lane on these drives because his body is still so big in comparison to trying to like cut off LeBron, even at this age, it doesn't happen. Once he gets any momentum going towards a hoop, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how old he is, that's how great it is.

So then Denver's kind of like, all right, wait, we've just changed the defensive assignment. So now we have to figure out a way to like get back to this. You know, all of this is happening. You're like, I guess the Lakers are gonna win I think I don't know if it was when Denver was down 20 but they dropped the fan to a live bet where Denver was favored by seven depending on where you looked at it and Then it was plus seven and a half and you know

You're sitting there being like you almost have to just still take Denver because you're getting seven and a half points with the way We've seen them close so many times before. But specific to that action, it was just really, it was fun. And then they had a moment where it was like actually get Rui involved, have him set a pin down. Now once they took Jokic off of Rui, put him back on an AD and then LeBron would have another counter to it. And every time he'd see the way they would set up, he would be saying

specifically like, Hey, waving it out, like waving people out of the way. He just ran the entire offense and it was working until it wasn't 80 gets a foul late in the third quarter at 241 Jokic starts going right at Rui trying to work them they cut this thing to an 11 point game. So when you look at the Yocach sub minutes where he's sitting only to 18 of the fourth quarter, because there's an urgency here, they got to get him back into the game. I also thought like, wait a minute, is 80 going to be more rested than Yocach is going to be? Was that the game that Ham was playing? Why he

took him out with that foul in that spot? But the great thing for Denver here is that they only lost one point from when they closed the third quarter in the non-Jokic minutes. They only lost a point in this game. And that's where you have to kind of figure out a way to beat Denver.

You have to get like, you have to be like plus five or six. And usually he's out a little bit longer than that because it's the playoffs. He's going to come back quicker. So as Jokic had gotten done abusing Rui Hachimura to close the third quarter, once he's matched back up with AD, I was like, all right, I wonder how this is going to go because it felt like Jokic, you can't ever say he's hesitant because that's just his defaulting basketball nature is that he wants to just keep playmaking

and getting people involved. But at some point it's like, hey man, you're gonna have to go down there. And go down there, he did. He scored five points from 334 to 212 left in the fourth quarter, obviously the game. He got the five points, the and won, and he got 80 twice. And after the and won, it's 93-92. They've come all the way

back. At 150, LA had this possession where they just like LeBron wasn't in the play. De'Angelo Russell has the ball on the right side. Anthony Davis gets a post catch. I say post in jest because it wasn't a post catch. He caught it bent over at the break at the three-point line with just a million bodies all around. And he's kind of looking around going like, because it wasn't a post-catch, he caught it bent over at the break at the three point line with just a million bodies all around. And he's kind of looking around going like, you expect me to finish from here? And then he gets it back to D-Low

who then throws it to Reeves and kind of a handoff and Reeves has to get up with desperation three with like three seconds left on the shot clock. So you're coming down thinking, all right, here comes Denver, they're gonna close this out. Jamal Murray, who's starting to cook now and hit a couple of shots after the dismal start. He kind of tries to make this weird path that LeBron steals.

LeBron goes down the other way, dunks it. And yet in this moment, the dunk couldn't be celebrated because after LeBron had turned back around, the ball was already inbounded and passed him to Jokic. Now this play, I'm going to try to make it survive because here it is, Jokic, one of my favorite players, a guy that I trust the most doing one of the dumbest things you could do in a game. We all know it, Nuggets fans, this thing they call it the white whale out there where he is determined to get three free throws on anyone reaching in on him very far away from the basket.

Like he's just convinced that he's going to get it at some point. And if I were defending him in this, not me, but you understand the point, I would rush at him knowing that he's been doing this and then just watch him throw the ball in the. Now D'Angelo Russell, you could debate whether or not he should have even tried to go for the steal there, but as Jokic is anticipating this, Jokic is like, oh, perfect timing. The end of game two in the playoffs. Let me just say, Hey, you want to do that against the wizards, man? Do it all night, but you're going to do it here. So Jokic tries to get it.

Malone's actually arguing for the contact. Jokic throws the ball up in the air to try to get these free throws. It's not a pass, Denver. It's not a pass. And somehow as this ball is floating like a punt with no call, Aaron Gordon catches it inbounds, barely, throws it back to Michael Porter Jr. That then hits the game tying three.

That play, yeah, you want to say, hey, if somebody you didn't like did that, that'd be your open. No shit. The difference is, is I like players that have done things and have proven to me that they can be trusted versus the players I don't like, that I don't trust. If you're a player that I don't trust that did that,

then yeah, I'd be a little harsher on you I just can't believe you'll could try to do that in that moment Maybe that just speaks to how his mind is wired that he's able to deal with some of these high-pressure spots because they are Maybe I'll just sort of try this again If somebody I didn't like do it I'd be like this means he's not wired the right way and he's not locked in it's an atrocious Decision by maybe the best single decision maker that we have in the NBA today. We got a little bit more back and forth. There's LeBron layup, there's Murray.

There's actually a big D'Angelo Russell sweeping left-handed layup off the glass that's incredible. And then it comes down to Murray with the shot clock running, the game or shot clock is off, game clock is running, no timeout. Love it, love it, love it. Don't let them get, don't let their defense get set up to defend your inbounds.

You know, that's the first level that you have to get through to then actually run your stuff. It looked like they went a little late. They wanted Murray isolated on the right side with AD and it just sucks for Davis because here's somebody who has had a great defensive year and Jokic gets him twice. No shame in that.

And Murray finds a way to fade away, hits the game winner. Murray said he didn't even see it go in. Davis is stumbling after the contest into the Denver bench. He looks like it was a World War Z footage where all of a sudden he's missing in all of it. And Denver finds a way to close out the Lakers again for their 10th straight. If you're a Lakers fan and you're watching that game, you're going, if we didn't get him tonight, then then then what like this is this is a wrap and just a little addition.

There's nothing else. The fact that LeBron is doing this and competing like this still. I loved that game from him last night. It's one of my favorite LeBron games ever. And that's why I spent so much time talking about the breaking down and him just deciding to be the orchestrate everything and having it all work. There's so many other parts of that game that I could have gotten into and you'll feel left out. I just can't do all 200 possessions here. All right. New York Philly. It's my favorite series.

What are we learning in this series? Well, let me remind you, uh, over the years of talking with people and talking about teams, Hey, you like that guy, do you like this guy? What do you think about the playoffs? What do you think about the guy in the draft? There has been one very consistent thing. And that is there are a lot of NBA GMs. I wouldn't say it's all of them that I've ever talked to, but a lot of them that

just have, they have a very strict lot of NBA GMs. I wouldn't say it's all of them that I've ever talked to, but a lot of them that just have a very strict religion of no small guards. We do not always have to follow the teachings of all of the elders and the lessons they bestow upon us, but it's a pretty consistent theme. It's like, okay, cool. That guy's awesome. Kind of a small guard worried about the playoffs. That part of this New York story is a little alarming.

If you believe in that, Brunson 16 to 55, 29% overall, he's 17% from three. I didn't expect to say Kelly Oubre, really good work defensively at any point in the playoffs, but he has been battling, they send all the size at him. There's always another defender. So I think the value in this for Brunson is that it's still opening up a lot of stuff,

like the top tight end threat in the red zone, where it's like, okay, the linebacker is gonna be with him, but the safety is definitely gonna be in his side, so you should be able to eat. And that's probably the benefit of this, but it's a little alarming. It's only two games. Brunson was just incredible this year.

He's got to get it going at some point, but the length is definitely bothering him. And if you're going down the checklist of things you would hope to do, if you're the Sixers coaching staff, you'd be like, okay, well, that was one of the main things. Like how do we slow him down? You're doing it. Problem is you're not doing enough of the other things. So another constant theme here for the Sixers. I'm sure you've heard this one before Philadelphia.

No third guy. Where's the third guy? Maxi shot making, he's putting him in a very, very short list of like special shot makers in the league. And Bede, somehow lumbering around out there is still putting up these big numbers because the touch and is shooting, but I was looking for it. I had said on Sunday's pod with Bill, I go, if you're New York, you've got to make Embiid come up. You've got to make him move.

Same way Lakers are making Jokic work a lot in that third quarter and those other LeBron possessions where he was running everything. I saw New York look for this early, but you know, I was looking for it. get to work a lot in that third quarter and those other LeBron possessions where he was running everything. I saw New York look for this early, but you can't just blow out everything that you're trying to do in your offense and, Hey, we're just going to run 100 pick and rolls where we want MB to show and just try to wear them out. I mean, there's, there's certain things in basketball where it's like, Hey, we're going to double team this all the time.

Remember it like, it doesn't always just happen based on what you want to try to exploit or what your preference is. But in this case, I was seeing some of those things. I don't know if that had any impact on Embiid wearing them out, but I think that's still there and there was a play in the second half where Hart came off the screen and was almost waiting for Embiid and Embiid didn't even move. And then the shot was right there. So if I'm the Knicks, I'm like,

we need to go back and look at the tape and see that he's not coming up and tell our guys, you can probably go into this with a little bit more confidence because he's just not able to move despite the fact he's still putting up these incredible numbers. Let's get to the end. It's 101.96, Kyle Lowry is at the line.

Did you see some of those highlights from the Kyle highlight factory last night? When I talked about him, that I said somebody should pay me to have to watch it, somebody Venmo'd me five bucks this week and said, Kyle Lowry, I appreciate it. It's that person, I'll probably send it back though. Things are going all right. So 101.96, Lowry's made the first free throw,

misses the second. Come down, Brunson with 27 seconds left. Again, where there's made the first free throw, misses the second. Come down, Brunson with 27 seconds left. Again, there's 45 seconds left on the clock at 101.96. Brunson's taken the shot down five with 27 seconds left. You're not going to lose this game. You don't lose this game.

So Brunson hits the three, but to lose you still, you have to turn it over, give him an offensive rebound and let DiVincenzo hit his second, or well hit the second of the two three-point attempts because that's what happens. They inbound it, Maxie's down, they get the ball, DiVincenzo misses, offensive rebound, DiVincenzo again, essentially a game-winning three.

I know that there's some timeout controversy on this one. I've seen the screen grabs, the stills, the whole thing where they were trying to get a timeout on the inbounds and nurse didn't see, wasn't, nobody saw him or he said he saw me, but didn't listen also when Maxie's on the ground. But I don't know if at the point nurse is asking for the timeout that's perfectly lined up to like when Maxie still has the possession. I would say this, say the most important thing at that point is you're inbounding. So don't let them have two on your only option that you're inbounding to. And that's basically what happened is Lowry's on the baseline. He kind of like leads Maxie a little bit, but there was no real other option brought

up. So it ends up being two on the only option to inbound. And I don't know if that's a mistake. I don't know if that's the frenzy of all of these things happening. I think that's why coaches lose their fucking minds. I always think basketball coaches are crazier than football coaches. Football coaches, think about it. You can be mad, but you can watch what's happening, not like what's happening. And then you get kind of a break with your group to go back and look at pictures and dissect all these things.

You know, it's very, you know, it's very, it's very, it you can watch what's happening, not like what's happening. And then you get kind of a break with your group to go back and look at pictures and dissect all these things. You know, it's very research-based. Basketball happens so fast. Imagine if after an offensive possession, half the coaching staff would sit there and be like, okay, let's look at the overheads here. What do we got on the all 10s?

You'd have a chance to reset and then go, all right, well in another 10 minutes to 15 minutes, let's come out and try to do these things, basketball, you can't do. So there's all of these things happening that you think you're in control of, but you're not in control of. And even looking at the Jokic play from last night that I'm obsessed with, there's all these other things that happen in that where you're like, Hey, can you believe the guy did this?

Or can you believe this guy didn't do this? Or did you notice this guy in that play? There'll be things from that Denver LA close that I've still haven't seen, even though I've watched the end of it a bunch of times this morning. So if you're Nick Nurse and you're anyone on the Sixers, you're replaying all of these things

kind of thinking you got screwed, but I could also watch the same things going, yeah, but you could have done this better or Brunson misses, or you get the defensive rebound or DiVincenzo misses the second one or Lowry hits the second free throw. And that's where after the game, there were two things that happened. One I didn't like and one that I did like. It would not be a Darrell Morey run organization without some excessive bitching about the officiating after a loss that's

pretty much on you. We've covered that before historically, but I did like Embiid's quote. Do you want it? Do you want me to give you the full scope? I don't think it's a Garron Sheed here, which against the Pacers worked against the calves.

The calves ones bothered me a little bit more because I was working at ESPN at that point and I was like, why does he just keep saying this stuff as LeBron found a way to march through the pistons. But after the game and beat said this, we should be ahead to, Oh, we're good. We're going to win this series. We're going to win this. We know what we got to fix and we did a better job today. So we're going to fix it. We are the better team. We're going to keep fighting now to give it full context, watching the video.

He wasn't outrageously egotistical with this. I think this is a frustrated guy going through his own physical challenges, just talking himself into this, talking himself up and trying to talk his team up as the leader. The problem is I have no problem with saying any of that stuff. I just don't. And I don't think he's really, I really don't think he's one of those guys. It's just like saying it to say it. But the fear is it's like, man,

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It is draft week. It is finally here. Round one starts of course on Thursday and part of that coverage. January Jeremiah will be on NFL Network at 8 Eastern, but we do this every year. DJ joins us. McShea joins us. McShea will be back with us after the first round here on the show on Friday morning special show. So let's get into it guys. Thanks for doing this. Oh, it's good to be with everybody. This is like a tradition, man. This is like our tradition now.

I like this. Good to see DJ too. It's been a minute. Good to see you, buddy. Okay. DJ, let's start with you. Quarterbacks. I don't want to do a ton of time on this cause we've already spent so much time on it, but it's, it's the week of, and then I really want you guys to ask each other questions and I'll try to get out of the way as much as I can until the end, but just where are you with them? Is there one that are this group that scares you? Let's start with you.

Yeah. I mean, I ended up, uh, Caleb, I ended up Drake, and then I ended up Jayden. I think Jaden played the easiest thing I think that everybody can agree on is that Jaden played the best this year of all the guys. But in the total evaluation, putting everything into place, I go back to what Drake did the year before. I think Drake just with the sturdy sturdiness to him matters to me a little bit. I think you'll see the benefit for him going to the next level. He's going to, he's going to be the guy who gets to go play with better people and not be overmatched as much as he was with the group that he had. So that was kind of

my tiebreaker there with those. But I mean, to me, there's, there's those three guys, they're not that far off from each other. And then to me, there's a separator as we get into the other QBs. Yeah, I was a little different and maybe, maybe I did get caught up in Jaden Daniels this past year and what I saw. But I also, in talking to Brian Kelly and seeing his evolution and kind of being on the field with Brian pre-game against Tennessee a couple of years ago and knowing specifically what they were working on in terms of trusting his eyes and letting it rip and Seeing how he progressed in the second half of 2022 and then you know carried it over into 2023

I just think he continues to ascend and Durability is a concerning with his frame He was 185 pounds at Arizona State just a few years ago rush for over 3300 yards. I think in his five years in college Yeah, I mean, that's a concern, but he continues to bulk up. He's gonna have to be smart about how he protects himself. But if you're just basing it off the tape, and I don't know that you would disagree

because you kind of just said it, DJ, if you're just basing it off of the 2023 tape, it's kind of one in one A with Caleb and Jaden. So like, is that just one year? Is that circumstance for Drake May? Is that circumstance for Caleb and what he was trying to overcome this year? We'll see. I view it a little bit more as the progression that we saw from Jayden in a system that required him to go through progressions and to learn how to get the ball out and to trust his eyes and trust his read rather than just waiting to see it come open, which is what he was doing

for the first three seasons of his career. So for me, it's Caleb one, it's Jayden two, then there would be a small gap with Drake May. And the only reason I'll say this, and I'm curious to get your opinion, we haven't talked about this. I think if Drake is in a situation where he gets a year or even a portion of a first season

to kind of sit back, I think that the adjustment he's going to have to make coming off the year he had and coming from the system that he was in, I think of all these quarterbacks, Drake would benefit the most from redshirting, if you will, as a rookie. If he's thrown in right away with a supporting cast that's not great, I worry about what that will do for him and his confidence. But to me, that's kind of that that to me was the big concern with Drake May, why I put him at number three. And I think we both agree they're all three ahead of JJ McCarthy, but JJ belongs in that conversation as a potential top 10 pick. Yeah, one thing I would say on that is I look, I think as we are talking right now, I think he's going to be in New England. And I think

the plan would be for Jacoby Bresset to run out there. If I was personally looking at what they have in New England, just my personal opinion, the first decision I would make if I was Drake May is I would probably get like a $5,000 spa certificate and send it to Jacoby Bresset. Be like, dude, keep stretching, stay loose, protect yourself. I'm not really in a hurry to jump out there with this group that you have in front of me there. But I would love this, Todd, like I'm curious what you'd say on this.

Because I know like the progressions is, obviously when you watch Jayden, you'll see that more so. How would you, if you're going to give a letter grade A to F and compare the offensive line at LSU versus the offensive line at Carolina or at SC. Like how would you letter grade those three offensive lines? Oh, let's go BB plus LSU. Um, USC C minus D plus and D for D D D minus for UNC. Yeah. I mean, it's a big difference. There's no question. I get where you're going. And you know, D for D D D minus for UNC. Yeah. I mean, it's a big difference. There's no question. I get where you're going. I completely do. And it's what makes

with the Panthers being last factors. Exactly. Exactly. They dropped the class, Ryan. They dropped the class. Yeah. I mean that, but I mean, that's why I'm just a little bit reluctant when it's look, he's more comfortable. He's more poised in the pocket. He gets deeper into progression. So I'm like, but I mean, that's why I'm just a little bit reluctant when it's look, he's more comfortable. He's more poised in the pocket. He gets deeper into progression. So I'm like, well, Frick, when you watch USC, they're rushing three and dropping eight and getting beat like right off the snap. Like, I don't know what, you know, you think Caleb's just going to sit in there?

Like, what's he supposed to do? Yeah. And, and, and with Caleb, like, I feel like it's a very similar report, but we learned from Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. I feel like it's a very similar report, but we learned from Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. You know, like hero ball, can he play within the system? Can he, you know, is he going to go through his progressions? Is he going to be patient? Like all the same things were bad mechanics, you know, gotten into some bad habits, all

the same things we were talking about with Patrick, which got him to, which dinged him in the process. But we've learned from those mistakes and, and they were very, you know, whether you had him as one of the top 10 prospects where he had him mid, mid first round, whatever it was, he wasn't the first overall pick, but we're seeing how special Patrick was, but he also had a year to sit behind Alex Smith. He also had Andy Reed developing him. You know what I mean? So like, that's the stuff we, we spent all this time, 15 months preparing for a draft and in five months talking about ad nauseam.

What we don't have the benefit of is like who's coaching him? What's the situation? When's he going to start? All those things. We know with Caleb for the most part because we know where he's going and what's in place. But for all these other quarterbacks, there's that unknown. Is Minnesota, I'm sorry, Ryan, I'm hijacking this. Is Minnesota fail proof? Like, it's the closest thing that there is. I just look at it. I'm, everybody's like, who's going to be the, and I'm like, well, I don't know. Well, JJ could be, JJ could be the rookie of the year.

You know, JJ McCarthy, if that's what winds up happening, let's just say it plays out the way you're talking about. I still think I'm interested to see what new England does. Like it's either going to be like, yeah, we were idiots for even, even entertaining the fact that New England would move out of three. Of course they were going to stick at three and take Drake May, which I think is absolutely the most likely scenario. But there is some buzz that New England's looking at potential options to move back,

move back up, all that stuff. But let's just say it's Caleb one, Jayden two to Washington and Drake May goes three to New England. I think Arizona sits at four and takes Marvin Harrison Jr. I really do. Unless, unless let's say JJ McCarthy goes number three in a surprise or, you know, or Jaden doesn't go number two, you know,

Drake goes number two and Jaden's sitting there three. And so like, it depends on what happens, but assuming that they'll have offers, Monte Austin for the GM for assuming that they'll have offers, Monte Austin for the GM for the Cardinals will have offers, but they're not like ridiculous offers. He'll stick it forward and take Marvin Harrison Jr. And we both know Joratis comes from the Baltimore tree.

You know, they've made a living that organization and what he's been around his whole career. I'm like being patient, wait for the board to follow you, but let's take advantage of people who we can exploit trying to move up. So I think the most likely scenario is those three quarterbacks go, Marvin Harrison Jr. goes, and then Minnesota makes a deal

to go to number five with the Chargers. And I know you have a lot of ties with the Chargers, so I'm curious to see what you think in reaction to that. Yeah, to me, this is one of the things I was talking to somebody, and it wasn't Joe, but somebody else there and said they brought up a great point, which was Harbaugh can look at the situation he's going into walking into a division with Kansas City. It's very similar to walking into Stanford when you had Oregon and SC. You had two high flying teams and he literally went into their conference and

just decided I'm going to beat him up. So that's why when I get pushed back, trust me, like as someone who calls the charger games, every time I talk about them taking an offensive lineman, they freak out and they're like, how they need receivers. They lost, you know, Kenan and Mike, they've got to take a receiver at five. And I'm like, I don't think that's his formula. Like he has his formula and he's stuck to it the whole time to the point where I got to turn in this last mock draft, Todd. And I'll be honest with you. I'm thinking about putting Latham at five to the chargers and just saying, Cause he's more of a mauler. The biggest baddest dude from the sec who's 340 pounds. He's played right tackle. I don't

have to mess with Slater. Joe's an Auburn guy. Joe has been with Ozzie forever. They've collected so many Alabama players with the Ravens over the years. Like it's, it's a flag in the ground. First pick of this new era. We've talked about running the ball. We've talked about the offensive line. We want to try and beat up the Kansas city chiefs. Well, who's the baddest bully in the block. And then I'm like, well, maybe it's not, maybe it's not all too. I have as a top tackle. I don't know where you are, but maybe it's Latham is there, is there guy there.

Yeah. And I've said that Ryan and I have talked about this. I think the chargers are one of a few teams that are looking at this thing as a, as the combo picks. I like to call the combo scenarios, right? The scenario of if we go, let's go, let's say Malik neighbors, great pick, explosive guy. He could provide a vertical presence, Justin Herbert, all that. But then where do you go with offensive tackle? Like we're talking about this. We're talking about this tackle group, right? Is like one of the best in the decade, right? But they're all gone by the time you pick in two.

Alt, Latham, Fuwaga, Foshanu, Mims, Fuhatano. Guyton? They're all gone. And then it's like, you know, so like, whereas wide receiver you get in the second round, you're like, all right, we got Aladdin McConkey maybe, we got Ricky Pearsall, we've got Xavier LeGette, we've got Keon Colton, there's other options that you can bring in.

So you kind of have to look at that as a combination of the two. That's why I think these tackles go. And then teams are like, all right, we'll circle back in round two and get a wide receiver. Okay, talking about the movement here. We know that Howie Roseman's moved up, what, four times in the first round.

We know Caserios had 18 trades, I think, in the last three drafts. Todd, let's start with you, because this has always been this New England thing that you've talked about. And I really feel like our disagreement wasn't so much could it happen, it was just how much you're exposing yourself

to threading a needle to have to get it right. Kind of three ways, trading out, trading back up, and then taking the quarterback that's not maybe positioned, um, as high in the draft. Cause it's like, Hey, we get all this extra stuff because we like the fourth guy more than everybody's third or second guy. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, the point is like Todd, and then we'll kind of throw it to TJ who's been in the room and done it.

How would you look at these few days? Anyway, the point is like Todd, and then we'll kind of throw it to DJ who's been in the room and done it. How would you look at these few days? You're saying it's not just about the players. Like Casario clearly looks at this as some kind of test of like how much can I possibly move around and then how big is my bounty after the four days? Just to give you some background, DJ, I brought up the scenario, I don't know,

about a month ago, maybe three, four weeks ago of New England. Maybe I had been talking to people saying, you know, we're getting calls, New England's kind of active. It would be interesting to see what's going on in New England, you know, fielding calls, hearing some buzz, talk to people I'm talking to who have talked to New England, all that, that potentially like just based off of kind of putting the dots together, maybe they're going to try to move out of that three spot because they like a fourth quarterback and then could move down, let's say to 11 with Minnesota, and then use less to move back up to maybe five to go get a quarterback, right? You know, Arizona did something similar last year, right? And I,

like for, I've been working with, with Ryan for like 20 years. Okay. He has never looked at me with more disdain and written off something. And then all of a sudden Albert Breer comes out with it and you know, in his Monday morning quarterback. And then this past week, Shefty was one of his buzz things coming in the weekend. So I still don't think it's gonna happen.

So I'm in this weird spot where like, I told you so, but it's still not gonna happen. But that's the background of this whole thing. But not like, to me in the conversations I've had in the last week, and I'm curious to see what, what you're hearing, obviously a lot with Minnesota, more people I've talked to say that watch out for the giants. The giants have made interest and not just moving up, but maybe even moving back from that number six spot. But

there is a quarterback that if they could strike a deal, they would want to go get, I would guess it's Drake May. That's from based off my Intel. I've been hearing Chicago at nine wants to bail out. I'm interested to see with Joe Douglas and the Jets, it's not a comfortable neighborhood for him to be in, not having a second round pick. We know what they're trying to accomplish there and the urgency there. So is that Brock Bowers is an offensive lineman or maybe, Hey, we can move back a few spots to a team that might be trying to move up. Is it Denver? I keep hearing Denver now, like the more I'm talking to people in the league, Denver's not moving up. They're moving back. They want to move back. Right. Is it the Raiders with Michael Penick's, you know,

is that that I keep hearing. Um, so I'm just curious. And obviously I've heard about the chargers and everyone. It's the worst secret in the world that the Eagles are making calls to everybody about moving around again, how he can't help himself. Yeah. Um, well there's, there's so much there. Like I'll start with New England. I was talking to general manager last night who said the pick's not going to be for sale. Like they said New England's going to stick and pick. So that was, again, that's from somebody last night. And here's the other part, like trying to figure this thing out, like I try and just

take all the different pieces of information apart of the process. You're never going to know, but we're doing the same thing here, right? You're just trying to take what you get and try and come to a logical conclusion. So with my experiences with this situation, calling the Charger games went to New England last year. Stadium was half empty. It was rainy.

It was not a great day. New England got shut out. Having been in that stadium a zillion times over the Brady years and how much buzz and juice and excitement was in that building It was better than a doormat and one thing quarterbacks do is they provide hope whether or not they're gonna be good or not You hope for the best but they will provide at least in the short term some hope and some life Injected into your organization Robert Kraft will not allow this first round to go without a quarterback

So that's that's my whole point and then here's like a couple other layers to it. In free agency, I know when they were talking to some offensive players and trying to get them to sign, when they asked to lay out the plan, the plan was we're going to sign a quarterback for eight to 10 million bucks and we're going to take a quarterback at three. Well, they gave Jacobi Percett eight million bucks or whatever. I think it was like literally on the nose of what they told some of these people. Check that box out. Like that one's check.

Well, if they didn't lie about that, I don't know why they'd be lying about number three. And then the last point of it is, it's easy when you have your quarterback in place, i.e. Arizona, i.e. Monte Ossoffort. We can get cute and creative and this, and then, hey, worst case scenario, we miss out on that, but we love this. When you don't have the quarterback, you do not get cute. You take the quarterback.

So that's why, and it was like last year, if you remember at this time, people were like Houston, you know, they might just take Will Anderson at two. I don't know if they, you know, they love, I'm like, guys, I was in that stadium with a charge game. There's nobody there. It's dead. Like they have, like if I'm the owner, if that's my team, I'm like, guys, I don't care which one, but you're taking a quarterback. This place needs some juice and some life. So that's kind of how I feel about those teams just sticking and picking one through three. I think the Chargers would love to get out of five, but I'm beginning to think Minnesota

and the Giants are both Drake May teams. Both tried like crazy to get up to get into the mix to three, assuming Jayden goes to, and I don't think New England's doing it. So once that's off the table, as we are right now, I feel like Minnesota is even saying, we like JJ at 11. We don't have enough conviction that we're going to part with all we'll have to part with because now, basically, if you're comparing JJ to Penix, if they feel like, Hey, worst case scenario, JJ is gone, but we get Pennex. It's not Pennex versus JJ. It's Pennex versus JJ and the other players represented by the picks. We're going to have

to part with, you know, there. So I'm getting Pennex plus two to three players. That's the comparison versus just JJ McCarthy. So I'm thinking Minnesota might just hold their water here at 11. They could. And you're right. Like Michael Pennex, we talked about coming into the year, Michael Pennex was like, you know, not certainly not anywhere close to where he is. You know, that some people have like, I'm talking to people like being fifth, sixth round, third, fourth, you know, and so to see what he's done, but, and to see where he's come.

And even just a few weeks ago, like the buzz with Penix was like, yeah, second round, solid second round. Now it's like, not only is it first round, but it's like, hey, Penix could be the reason why we're comfortable staying at 11, like you said for minutes. Like he could be kind of the wild card in all of this.

Okay, let's, that was awesome by the way guys. Let's talk about our position that we haven't talked about literally at all. It's like a proud father over there. Yeah, yeah. It makes me feel good. Right, don't you feel better? Yeah, I feel great.

I wanted to unplug my mic. I was like, let's just have them say goodbye at the end of this. First running back in which number? Like, could we set a record here for the latest it takes. First running back and in which number? Like could we set a record here for the latest it takes for running back to go off the board? What was it? Bishop Sankey was like 57 or in the mid to high fifties.

I don't think it will. Yeah, it's tough. I don't think it'll be that high, but it will be in the second round. I think it's going to be Jonathan Brooks from Texas. What do you, what do you think DJ? Yeah, I think Dallas is going to be the first team to jump on that ride. I think they're like 56. I don't have it in front of me.

I think they're in the mid fifties somewhere, but they pick like 56 and then like in the eighties and I think 56. Yeah, that's like the running back spot. So to me, like I don't, like, I don't have that. Like I have, I have Marshawn Lloyd is my top running back. I think I have Brooks at number two, but there's like from the one to six, like there's, you know, six to seven running backs. There's really not that much difference to me.

Like there's nobody that's way above the other person where the gamble is, if you're Dallas, do I want to be the first one in line at this ride? Or can I wait until 86 and hope that I can get the last seat on the ride before the ride's over? I think that because of where they are at the position, they probably are going to take it at the front, you know, taking it in the second round. But I don't see, I can't find a spot for running back before that. And I'm not like 100% convinced that they're going to do it there. but I think that's where it starts. Yeah. And it's interesting because I think it's going to be like, hold, hold. Like the league is a whole.

I'm not doing it. You don't do it. I won't do it. Yeah. Because like we all know there's not that a league. We had two first round picks. Like there's not that talent in this year's class. Right. But there is some depth. So I think once you see the first guy come off the board and then the second running back, so let's, let's say it's, it's Brooks and then Lloyd. But after that, like, there are some good backs that are like in that third, fourth round range. I think we're going to see a run. Like you've got Benson from Florida state. You got Blake Coram from Michigan. You've

got, you've got a kid from Kentucky Davis from Kentucky, Ray Davis from Kentucky, uh, Jaylen Wright from Tennessee, uh, Braylon Allen from Wisconsin. So there's a bunch of backs that are going to go in that like third, fourth round range, but I think it's going to be that second running back that comes off the board that where everyone was like, all right, now it's time to go. Jacob Hester award. Anything for Will Shipley here? What number?

Hold on. I'll see what number I had him overall. And then I'll look at where I had him positionally. Let me see. I had him as Shipley. I had him as my 92nd player. He was my sixth running back.

So you had him in the top 100? So he made the top 100. Yeah. I've got him more like one, I don't have it right in front of me. It's like 120, one, I think I did fourth round. I talked to, but dude, I've got a more like one. I don't have it right in front of me. It's like one and 21 I think I did fourth round I talked to but dude I talked to somebody a mutual friend and he were like Let's go over our top like give me your top five running backs I'm like literally like his fourth running back is like my 14th running back. Yeah, like yes versa Yeah, I talked to someone recently and it was Ray Davis who you just mentioned from Kentucky number two running back I was like damn am I off on like,

well, this one, this one was like, I'm not a big Braylon Allen guy. I just think he's a, he's a big guy. I don't think he runs hard. I don't, you know, plays to his size and he had him like, is the second or third running back. So I'm like, you know what at the end of the day it means? It means like if there's not any consensus means they're probably all just okay. Yeah. What that is the Braylon Allen one I kind of love.

Cause like you said something in the beginning with Drake Bay where I go, I can't quit two years ago tape. I just can't. And I'll admit like some of the Jayden two years ago tape, I'm probably the only single person that's still like, he was flawless this year, man. Like what's the hangup?

What's the hangup? Like the not trusting anybody, it's over. He trusts people now. He trusts the throws. Like put that out of your head and I need to do that. But like there's that Drake tape from two years ago and the reason I bring it all up is why I still like Drake more I feel like,

not than you guys right now, but like some of the Drake stuff that I'll see here late. And granted the late mock movement literally means nothing inside of the war rooms. It's just all the outside stuff trying to catch up. I was like, so wait, now everybody doesn't like Drake. I'm like, I would take a chance to be wrong with him. I think I'd be okay with it.

Certainly more so than J.J. McCarthy. But when you look at Braylon Allen, you're like, okay, if you have him too, does that mean you watched his freshman year? You're like, really good. Right. Because when he came onto the scene, you're going, alright, this is this is and then I mean, I think at

some point if you were a non Big Ten fan, you're like, oh yeah, that guy what feels like 1517 20 years ago was like the Wisconsin running back great in college doesn't translate to the NFL, you know, it feels like that. It's like yeah, I've seen this movie before. Right? Yeah. I mean, I look he was my hundred and twenty this movie before. Right. Yeah. I mean, I look, he was my 123rd guy. That's like the bottom of the fourth round. This is Braylon Allen podcast. Is this on the teaser for the thing? This has to be the most Braylon Allen breakdown.

Braylon Allen in depth, in depth breakdown. By the way, can I, I didn't want to ask you guys one question because I'm curious on this. I've heard this more than anything else. I haven't talked to anybody and I truthfully, I kind of with what Ryan was just saying, I do think Jaden has just, you know, I think better days are here. He's solved a lot of his ills. I get that. But I feel like he doesn't necessarily get punished for his sins at Arizona State while Bo Nix gets eviscerated for the Auburn years.

And Michael Penickx for Indiana. Yeah. Michael, there's still some guys out there that I talked to who had had Pennex like in their, you know, in their region, in their area. And still like I can't get over the Indiana stuff. If you talk to anybody that was, you know, even all the way up to the general manager level that saw him at Auburn or studied him at Auburn, they can't let it go. I have a hard time too, if I'm being honest.

They can't let it go. So that's why I mean, that's why I did, but isn't it, I think it's interesting. I mean, I think this isn't a good place to just come straight, but like, you know, cause I know a couple of people listen to Rossello's podcast, but it's unfair. You make a good point cause I'm over Jaden Daniels stuff at Arizona state. I'm over Penex's stuff at Indiana, but man, that was hard to watch at all. But I'm just, yeah, I just think it's fascinating. Cause I hear it all the time. And look, I have him, you know, I think I have, I have Nick's, I think it might be the only one who has Nick's over

Pennex, but they're both in like 30 in the early thirties for me. I think he has to go to a very specific place and it's in the Rockies. But like that's too bad. They don't have a second round pick. Well, they could not win by moving out. And that's one of the reasons why I've heard the same thing that you have going back to the trade stuff is that they want to move back. I was talking to Kuiper the other day. He was, he's like, it was the first time I'll ever ask you anything about a mock draft.

And the last time ever he goes, he goes, Bo Nix. He goes, I want to put him, I keep wanting to put him at Denver cause I keep hearing Denver, but I don't know. If he doesn't go to Denver, doesn't go anywhere else. I was like, that tells you everything you need to know Mel. Like, you know. Gosh, that's a good therapy session right there. That's great.

It was, it was. I felt like I did my job for the day. No, but it's a really good point too. I mean, we're all victim of our own confirmation bias and stuff, but like, if you want to play the two years ago game, then that's why Caleb Williams should go one and like, no one should be allowed to go to two. Like it should start at three.

Like that's how special he was two years ago. And I still think it's funny when I'll see like a Caleb clip and sometimes it'll be somebody trying to make a point about, I certainly can't watch the game to the level that you guys can, but I'll go like, did you try to make a point that he's not good in this clip? Do you realize what he just did? Right. This is, this is actually. Even to make a mistake, he had to do all that to. Yeah. Right. So, uh, let's, let's go to the other side of the ball. It doesn't get enough

love before the mocks. And I want you guys to take this wherever you want to take it because much like quarterbacks, like, Hey, he's going to go here. He's going to go here. Let's talk about some defensive names. You're like, I don't care about the system and I care about coverage. I don't care about what you're asked to. Like, I'm fine. This guy's going to play no matter what we want to do where we know there's other players, especially on the defensive line, it feels like where it's like,

okay, he's a great fit here. He's not a good fit here. Yeah. I mean, to me, like, I think the great example of that is, and Todd, I'd love to know what you got on this, but like, I get asked a lot about the top three edge rushers, right? So if you're looking at Turner, you're looking at Latu, and you're looking at verse, I'm like, I feel,

look, I have, that's the, I have it Turner versus Latu, but Latu's injury factors a lot into that. Yeah, I agree. I would say Latu's the clear, most polished pass rusher of the three, but you've got the uncertainty and the cloudiness of the injury. Turner has got all the traits and still, it hasn't put it all together yet, but I'm kind of betting on the traits. I feel like of those three guys, like Jared verse, I know a hundred percent who he is.

He comes in clear packaging. You're going to widen him out and you're going to let him just create a chaos with his power. He's going to try and go to the chest of everybody that he goes up against. And if you don't have breaks as a right tackle, you're going to have a long day against him. But like if you're a team in the AFC North, you loved your adverse. It is rough and rugged and we're going to set the edge and we're going to beat people up. And then you talk to some of the Dome teams in the passing divisions and they're like, I don't know. He just doesn't have a plan as a rusher. And it's like, you either are or you aren't, you're a verse team or you're not a verse team.

Yeah, I agree. And verse to me, you know, like we talked about Will Anderson last year kind of, and I'm not saying there's the same player, but he's in that same family. They're not brothers. They might be cousins. That's what I'm saying. Like the heavy hands, the power, everything is done with authority and he's gonna make it a long day for you. A long day for you. So, and yeah, you know, yeah, you're betting on the upside with Dallas Turner. You know what you're getting with verse

and you would know what you're getting off the tape with the Latu, but the medical, you know, the neck and medically retired and all of that, like that's the concern. So it, what's interesting to me too, is we get closer to the draft and everyone is locked it in and it may be the case like every month I was telling Ryan recently, like, I don't think I've read another mock draft for 15 years of doing this. Cause I was spending too much time on my own damn mock draft,

but now I got extra time this year. I'm on my phone. I'm, you know, I'm reading DJ's mocking some guy. I don't even know his name's mocking. I'm just like messing around. Everyone's got Dallas Turner going to Atlanta at eight, right? Yep. But I keep, I keep being told by people in the league, like it wouldn't shock me if, you know, if Byron Murphy, first defensive player off the board, you know, Byron Murphy to me is the, is one of the most intriguing players because how many elite defensive tackles are in the league? How many teams are dying to have an impact guy closest, you know, the, you know, the easiest path to a quarterback is, is coming right up the middle at them and disrupting quarterbacks in the league, getting them off the

spot. Like it's such an important element of what you do with a three or four man rush too. So, Byron Murphy makes a lot of sense to come off the board earlier than expected. Even though I like the upside returner, I love Jared verse, I love Latou's tape and his ability. And I think he's the most polly, like his hands, the way he ties his hands and feet.

And I even think Chop Robinson's got a chance to be a really, really impactful pass rusher as he continues to develop. But Byron Murphy to me is kind of that, keep an eye out. He could be a surprise. The one thing real quick on that, Byron Murphy and everybody that I talked to that's in the trade down scenario, I'm going to trade back. Like who's in your mix? Byron Murphy and everybody that I talked to that's in the trade down scenario, I'm going to trade back. Like who's in your mix? Byron Murphy. Everybody that's in the trade up scenario from the back kind of come up. Who's in your mix? Byron Murphy. I'm like, well, freck,

everybody's either trading down for this guy or trading up for this guy. It means a lot of people like this guy. Exactly. So I would rule that out. And then like, this is, this is the idiocy of mock drafts and like the challenges and the mental games that we play. And Todd, I know you appreciate this. It was like, I had a team tell me like, hey, Atlantis taking either Latu or they're taking Turner. They're taking an edge rusher. And they go, now remember, Latu played for Jimmy Lake at U-Dub. So keep that in mind. And then I hung up the phone and I went, okay, so is that a good thing or a bad thing? Because they medically retired him when he was with at, at U-Dub. So keep that in mind. And then I hung up the phone and I went, okay,

so is that a good thing or a bad thing? Because they medically retired him when he was with Jimmy Lake, they sent him to five doctors and they wouldn't let him play football anymore. But he also, I'm sure was involved in the recruiting and loved him as a player. So I'm like, well, so does this mean that they're taking him or does this mean that they're not taking him? I don't know what to do with that information. Yeah, it's going to, it's going to be interesting with let's say, because we all know what he is as a player.

He's one of the 15 best football players in this draft. If he gets out of the top, like, you know, 16, 17, it's because you're, you're scared to death that you're only going to get a couple of years out of them where it's going to be, you know, on, on the field, off the field. You guys have been so good on the info before we get to the closing segment here. Can I just ask you each with what you feel comfortable sharing kind of like I know in the NBA world would be like, what's the one thing you hear over and over and over again, and maybe Daniel, you just gave us years with the Murphy

anecdote, but is there just like, Hey, here's another one that always seems that this player landing here maybe later in the first round? The last one would be Howie calling everybody to move up and then everybody assuming that it's for the corner because that's a big need for them and then the fact that everybody knows around the league because I've heard it from so many different people like, dude, Lito Shepard man, last time I took a corner, he ain't taking a corner, they're trading up for a tackle. They're going to trade up and they're going to take an offensive line.

So that's, that's like the one that I've heard a bunch around the league. The Raiders thing has been interesting because everyone is screaming about the relationship with Antonio Pierce and, and they want to move up and Jaden Daniels and it's like, well, how can they move up to number two and why would Washington want to move out? But it's like, well, there's a lot of like recruiting problems and Antonio Pierce wound up having to resign or, you know, and then, then like a lot of different smoke. And I hang up from one phone call and it's like, Hey, the Raiders love Jaden and Jaden wants to be in Las Vegas.

And then other calls I have, it's like the one place I can promise you that Jaden doesn't want to be or that doesn't work is the Raiders with Jaden and Jaden wants to be in Las Vegas. And then other calls I have, it's like the one place I can promise you that Jaden doesn't want to be or that doesn't work is the Raiders with Jaden Daniels. So that has been, I've had several calls about that relationship and what that means. Okay, well that's a great way to start. We call it on the clock, or I probably have changed the name a few different times, so not super rigid,

you could steal it. Where I'm gonna give each of our guests here the chance to be GM for this team, for this pick, and then see what they do of the options available to them. Okay, all right? So we'll start with Todd on this one. You are running the Raiders. You're sitting there at 13.

You've had some weird drops here. I guess there was like a wide receiver run of some sort. Bowers is still there. Dallas Turner somehow still there. And Drake may is still there. Drake may easy. Drake may. All right. For you, you freaking give him the easy one. What am I going to get now? Yeah. DJ in the sixth round, the Falcons are sitting there.

in the sixth round. The Falcons are sitting there. This is stacked against you, bud. Appreciate your eyes. I'm very much playing a road game here. Absolutely. Yes. So you can, you can actually, did we go back and forth where I didn't give you both a chance to do it? I don't remember. I don't know. I make these up on the fly here.

We got some NBA games to sort through. Just making it better than the first one. We'll just- You want that option though? You can answer that one too, if you want. No, I think not. I think that was a one word answer. Yeah.

All right, all right, Daniel. You're the Giants. Running the Giants back in New York. I'm sure you love living in the city. J.J. McCarthy's still there. Drake May is still there at six. Neighbors is still there. Drake may is still there at six. Neighbors is still there. Not shocking, but Tampa calls and offers number 26 this year and

their first rounder in 25. Um, I'm going to do, uh, to me, it's the quarterback. I'm taking Drake may. Uh, I don't, I don't think they're in love with Daniel Jones. I think they have one more year left on that. And they're in more year left on that, and to me they're in an inflection point as an organization, head coach, general manager, they need to show the pathway forward for how they're gonna get out of this rut

that they've been in, and I don't think they feel like Daniel Jones is that guy, and I have a good enough grade on Drake May that I'm not gonna pass him. And that's a real shitty trade, by the way, you need to look at the trade chart next time, right? I don't look at the trade chart, I'm not gonna pass him. And that's a real shitty trade by the way. You need to look at the trade chart next time Ryan. I don't look at the trade chart, I have my own trade chart. Well your trade chart sucks. So wait, wait.

So you're moving from six to 26 and I'm only getting a first round or next year. Do you know how much Minnesota's getting ready to pay to move up to go to number five? Hold on, six to 26, now hold on. Yeah. We got to look this up. Go ahead. Look it up. 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 1,600 points. Okay. Oh, 20, 20, 20, 20, 26, 26 is 700 points. So you need 900 points. So actually if it's the one next year, it would be actually if it's the one next year, it's not your...

Yeah, but next year doesn't have as much value as this year. I'm assuming next year is a middle. I'm assuming Tampa. You need a little sweetener. No, I'm looking at it. Okay, fine. I need a second dish. No way is it getting this.

I just hang up on you then. My point of the Tampa pick was that you go, hey, maybe we don't love the great on those two guys. We have Daniel Jones for this next year. We think Tampa is actually kind of like fool's gold with last season. Could be a lottery ticket next year. Yeah, that was kind of the point, but I don't know. Todd, Todd would shoot it down.

All right, let's go back to Todd with this one. You're sitting there, you're running the Green Bay Packers, America's Heartland. You know those fans. It's Drake May, it's not. Yeah, Malik Nader is Drake May. Make it a little more complicated. So still on the board is Nate Wiggins, who I can't quit from Clemson.

And then, I mean, you think this is a Braylon Allepie, this is a Johnny Newton podcast. Oh, Johnny Newton, yeah. Yeah, this is a Johnny Newtonlon Allapy, this is a Johnny Newton podcast. Yeah, this is a Johnny Newton podcast before anything. So Wiggins Newton available. And then for whatever reason, Brian Thomas fell, but it was late and you don't know why. I would go knowing their needs.

I'd have a hard time between knowing all their young receivers. I would go Nate Wiggins, but be hesitant not to take Newton here. Depending on my, you know, the medical and everything else, but I would go Nate Wiggins here. I know cornerback is a need. I think offensive line is the priority. Then I think cornerback for, for green Bay is number two.

I go any thoughts on that? I take it. Go Newton. I can see that. Yeah. Wiggins is interesting. He's he's starting to more conversation I have on that. What do you think on that? I think 173 pounds is is concerning to teams I've heard a manual Forbes a lot, you know

My comp was DRC. Yeah, I could see that I like he's very he's a great cover guy He's very comfortable hanging on blocks. He is very very very He's a great cover guy. He's very comfortable hanging on blocks. He is very, very, very comfortable in that position and not in any way, shape or form showing any urgency to get offset block, actually go make a tackle. I completely agree. I think, I think Cooper de Jean is going to be the third corner. I think Wiggins is in that like maybe late first, but could wouldn't shock me if he slides his early seconds.

I love that. I'm going to start using that all the time. Okay. All right, Daniel, here we go. You that all the time. Okay. All right, Daniel, here we go. You're running the bills. Okay. Turnover, a receiver, but you know, you're sitting there, pick number 28. Jared verse is still on the board. Ooh.

Adani Mitchell is still there on the board. And let's see. J.C. Latham's there. Oh, she's a hell. No, certainly. So you mean they traded type of videos came out on these guys like this. Like, by the way, if the Lamrie Tunsel thing happened now, I mean, would it anything even someone asked me that

recently, I was like, nah, he'd go right where he's projected. Yeah. Um, well, I might as offensive line that big of a need though, who can I make a receiver? I mean, it's hard to pass up a big offensive lineman like that. Um, I have first verse would probably be my highest rated player amongst that, that collection of guys, but to be honest with you, Ryan, I might take the other option. If that many guys are there, I'm Buffalo.

I'm trading back. And I think, I think Buffalo needs to come out with two wide receivers. So like to me, everybody's like, did they move up? And they might, they might try and put the huge package together. I think it makes more sense in a draft with wide out depth like this. Buffalo should trade it back. Let somebody come up for one of those last guys, those last tackles or whatever. I, if I'm Buffalo, I want to get on day two, I want two wide receivers on day two.

Yeah. And so I was trying to do, I was trying to put somebody that shouldn't be there and then somebody else you would like, but then also up against the need because I mean, look, it's a long draft. This sport is so different than basketball where you guys draft on need a lot to just be like, hey, well, how's the depth chart look? Okay, we need two guards. We need, we actually need these positions

that were through free agency. Okay, last one before we go, really mixed it up on this one. Denver is sitting there looking at some pieces dropping, Todd. Yep. Bowers is still there. Okay. Dallas Turner somehow, you know, a couple spots later

than you want. And JJ McCarthy's just sitting there. You don't have to trade up for him. He's still sitting there at 12, but this week, he just tweeted, the world is fixed. When will they listen to the people? It's not about football. We need to start a revolution.

Sean Payton would love that. Um, JJ, JJ, JJ and a psychologist. That says nothing to do with these. I just was picking the quarterback. So just so we're good. Yeah. And because I couldn't do it, I couldn't do it with a defensive end because every one of you guys are the same thing. Be like, I don't care what he thinks about anything. Just go attack the quarterback. Was the Janet Jackson album revolution?

Was it that she had an album revolution? I think so. Revolution. If I have a big grade on JJ, I'm like, he's a big Janet Jackson fan. You guys are misinterpreting this tweet. Like this is totally, this is totally off. So anything, right?

What a, what a callback from, from you. Is it revolution? Can we look that up? I need to confirm. I think it's rhythm nation. Oh, rhythm nation sounds more accurate. Yeah. I don't know.

There might be a part of a rhythm nation. We are. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, go. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Enjoy Thursday night. Again, NFL Network 8 Eastern for Daniel and then McShay back with me after the first round Friday here on the show. Thanks every year for doing this. It was awesome. You got a voice? No, I enjoy it.

We could do this for hours, man. So I love what you guys, you guys have a blast on Thursday. I'm just excited because I, this is the first year and 20 something years of being able to like, I can, I actually can sit back and watch DJ and Rich and CD and the gang. I've never been able to watch you on draft weekend. So I'm going to get up close and personal. So good luck to you, my man. I know how much goes into it and I'm, I'm fired up to watch it. Well, I miss seeing you out here, man, but I'm looking forward to the future. Appreciate you.

The Alliance. Okay. We got to get right to it. We got to be efficient. We were bad last week. Kyle was the only winner. Kyle's actually leading the season series right now on the Alliance on the parlay part of it, which is separate from the other standings, but Kyle didn't have to thank you. No, I think that's why I wanted to do it because it is important The parlay numbers have not been good oddly enough the individual picks haven't been as terrible as maybe it feels like they've been But I was awful last week clay Thompson did not come through So let's get right to it sorority has in front and we're just no nonsense. Let's go. Yeah. All right. Well, so you two we were talking about this last night. So you're gonna take them You're gonna take the Mavs money line and you're gonna take Tim Hardaway jr. One or more threes

Kyle, what do you got? I got Paul George. I'm sticking with the rebounds There was a half rebound off Steve's actually the only one that hit that last week But thank you for the wishful thinking so So I'm taking Paul George over five and a half rebounds. I think the guy gets six boards rebound. Kyle. Yeah, we're all, we're all 500 or better in our individual picks, but it's a parlay. So, you know, you hit one of every four to five. I think I'm under now. I think I'm under cause I have to, I'm still at 500. You're four and four. You and I are four and four cows, five and three. So,

you know, we'll get there. Doesn't feel like it after clay, but go ahead. That was a tough one. Clay one was very tough. That one out. There's nothing worse than my first quarter under with Steph Curry. Cause I was like, he's feeling himself a little bit here and there. I think he had 22 and the first, I mean, big cat was making fun of me on the internet. That was that. It was so bad anyway, back to the picks. Yeah. And I'm going to round it out with the James Harden eight or more assists.

So we have Mavs, Moneyline, Tim Hardaway, Jr. one or more threes, Paul George over five and a half rebounds, James Harden eight plus assists. Obviously that's the Mavs Clippers game tonight. That gets you plus four 77. So that'll be up on Fandual app online everywhere. And you know, well we've hit one already, So let's get number two. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriolet.

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after those games last night, the draft right around the corner. We're gonna go live Friday morning. Check out our YouTube page, the Ryan Russell YouTube page. You can subscribe to that if you are sitting around on a Friday morning and wanna watch me on YouTube with McShay. So go for it. All right. I went to Sphere last Thursday to see fish. Shout out to Brad Sands. Unbelievable experience. People want to review, so maybe we'll hybrid this one in. All right. 37, six foot tall, 180 pounds,

runner's body type, and my player comp is likely a poor man's dirt as I consistently try to hit close to mid-range fadeaways. Lives in Denver, Colorado. Come home to us, Ryan. We know you just, the no ocean thing is a deal breaker for me, but if things really, really worked out, would not be opposed to say flying in to Denver. Lakes, rivers now doesn't do it for you?

No, I like lakes and rivers. I just don't think they're as medicinal as the ocean. And I- When we're talking about getting the water, we're talking salt water, bud. Yeah, I mean, people that wanna argue like, oh, it gets sandy, like, okay. But like you wanna argue with the Romans on this one?

Go ahead. Long time listener, first time caller, inspired by your fish post at Sphere. Seen fish over 100 times, which as you know isn't a lot to other. It's a lot to me, brother. It's a lot to me. You said that's not a lot to fish fans, Dan.

All right, look, I don't think I wanna see anybody. Do I wanna see anyone 10 times? I'm serious. Like fish played for almost four hours and some people asked like how was it? I'm like with the sphere part of it, it kind of made sense. But like Miles Davis, cause Miles Davis could be my fucking living room. And after three hours, I'd be like, all right, I got it.

Wait, so is your most attended concert then tool probably? No, I don't think it's tool. It might be fish. I think it is fish, but I'm not, I'm right at double digits, but not, and there's a massive, massive gap for me. Cause at one point I was like, I got it. I got it. I'm cool.

I don't need to go anymore. And then I've seen him, I hadn't seen him in forever. And then becoming friends with Brad Sands, he used to work with the band, who we shout out constantly on the pod. Become a late, late in life buddy, unheard of. Should do that email. All right, so,

I really love the band Phish for the uninitiated. Phish is like the Grateful Dead's Vermont cousin. Wait, dude, I think most people have got that down now at this point. Jamming, improvising, making each concert a one of a kind experience. Imagine being in a room filled with your favorite people,

vibing to the music that's being created on the spot. It's like jazz, but with fewer saxophones and more glow sticks. Let me set the stage for you. I've done the whole Teach for America gig in the Midwest. Is there gonna be advice in here? I'm not sure. Turned around to school in Newark.

Yes, the one Springsteen sang about. And now I'm working with a national education nonprofit. So before you ask, no, I'm not funding my fish obsession by selling magic crystals. Further context, grad school in New York City, a buddy named Ron, shout out to all the Rons, gets me hooked on fish. My first show was at Saratoga Springs performing Arts Center 2016. Wow, 16 and he's been a hundred times? What? Wow. My first one was 91, I think.

Maybe 92. Three nights, three new experiences, don't tell my mom. And bam, I'm a fish head, bought tickets to Denver, their MSG, New Year's run immediately, like I was stockpiling for Y2K since then I've been to fish shows. Like I'm playing whack-a-mole anywhere from five to 20 times a year. My dog, Wilson, he's practically the band's unofficial mascot. Joining me for 23 shows last summer.

I'm a regular in the pit and saw fish for a total of 43 times last year alone. Damn. How's everything else going? Here's the curve ball. damn how's everything else going here's the curveball something tells me you may come from cash brother which you should never apologize for or you should look into better help it's one of those two I don't know whoa are you neglecting your how's your social battery dude I mean are you well they were getting to it we finally got there.

Here's the curve ball. I met someone who might just be the encore to my solo act. She's awesome, beautiful, hilarious. And I'm pretty sure she's my future wife. I'm trying to remember my first fish show, the date thing now, because I was in high school and I remember, so it's either a fall, it's now it's either fall 92 or spring 93.

So I'll have to look it up because people are going to be on fishnet like like oh He said what when I brought up the Colonel Bruce aquarium rescue unit thing Sick I sent me the link to it and be like they're debating that you've made up seeing Colonel Bruce at that Show and because it's not unlike in a log and then he mentioned that the drummer was different and that didn't happen or whatever It's like dude. I don't know what to tell you. I was there and it wasn't their normal drummer. And it was when I was still being hazed. So I remember that pretty significantly.

All right. Uh, anyway, so here's the curve ball. I met someone who might just be the encore to my solo act. Get it? Live music. She's awesome. Beautiful. Hilarious.

I'm pretty sure she's my future wife. She gets the fish thing, but she's also wondering if we'll have any us time this summer amidst my jam packed fish schedule. Yeah, I think that's a fair question. Sounds like no. If you're calling it a fish schedule, it sounds like no. She's not really committed to going to any shows either. Whomp, whomp. Also not a prerequisite for a partner, obviously. Plus she loves music. So here's my pitch. How do I find the harmony between following Phish

and spending tons of time with her? Local shows only. Phish dates that line up with her work shifts. I need to strike the right chord here, man, for context. We already have two trips planned, Austin and Colorado. And she works as a nurse, long shifts, three, four days straight. Thanks guys.

Hey, I love that you found something that you're that into, but you're so into it, you're really limiting your dating pool. And if you've met somebody that likes you this much and you're saying she could be your future wife, like life is about sacrifices. It's about a lot of things, but sacrifice is definitely one of them.

And I think it's great. That's just gonna be too many shows for most anyone out there unless, you know, unless you're only gonna say, hey, I go to this many shows and I only wanna date somebody that's this into the band. Like you're gonna have to dial it back. I don't think you need, this isn't,

this is not super advanced life advice, so this is intro life advice, but you're probably gonna have to dial it back to make it work with her. And I think you should be able to do that. Yeah, even if what the thing you're doing was just work this much, it would probably come up as an issue,

but you're like, you know, this is on top of everything else. And so I think, great call. If she hasn't said anything, I guess, I guess things are good. But I mean, like, even think of it as if it was like flag football. It's like work, sleep, flag football.

And she'd be like, wait, when are we doing the things? So I think, I don't know, I'm surprised you didn't meet someone at your 100 fish shows that you're like, should we just do this? But you didn't, you found someone outside of the fish pool. So I mean, it sounds like you're trying to parlay trips into things. Uh, but for like a nurse who's four days a week, long hours, I can't imagine

she's like, where are we going this weekend? She might just want to kick it at the crib and you might just have to respect that. Yeah. I mean, I hate to break it to you, but like when you get serious and you get married, like this is the kind of thing that takes a backseat, you know, do you know how many times like in my mid to late twenties that I would, you know, how much FIFA that I would play. It was like an un just like an unhealthy amount of people.

You do a lot of times that I brought like a second or third division team to the Premier League, you know, and I got a long weekend is on the long weekend. I don't like to admit it, but it happened a lot. And, you know, you just kind of start when you start getting serious about somebody like that stuff, you can still do it. I still play video games and stuff, but you don't do it for eight hours a weekend

with your buddies. So I think if you really like this girl and you want to make it serious, you have to make some concessions in life and go into 20 fish shows a year. That's just not sustainable as a dude who's actually married to somebody who's not a fish fan. And maybe that's healthy for you somebody who's not a fish fan. So, you know, and maybe that's healthy for you.

Like, it's probably a good thing. Like again, you, I think to be a more well-rounded person, you meet somebody who's not into fish. Like Kyle said, oh, you know, surprised you didn't meet somebody at one of the shows. That could be good, but then you're just kind of like doing the same thing for the whole, for the whole rest of your life.

Like I think this is good for you. It opens you up and you get new experience. You can still go see fish. You can go see him five times a year probably. You just can't go 20. So I, you know, I know it might be a little rude awakening, but I think that's kind of the plan. Yeah, if you were younger, you would just say,

hey man, do your thing. It's not that big of a deal, but like you obviously want a family. You're the one that said she could be your wife. Like this, there's some people listening to the car being like, is this guy out of his mind? I don't, it doesn't bother me that you got really into fish.

Like, I like when people enjoy stuff, right? Like what's one of our many rules here? Don't get mad at other people for enjoying the things. Oh, good job, pal. Look, I mean, obviously if their hobbies are horrible, then you know, that's a different category of thing. So I think it's cool to hear this into this. All right. But it's a lot. And to Saree's point, like at some point, you're just, you're not going to be able to do this. So you're going to

have to ask yourself, like, is fish more important than this woman? And if it is, don't waste your time. But maybe the best way to get this to work, your last ditch effort, is start her out on farmhouse. All right? Start her out on farmhouse. And then I'd kind of work backwards a little bit, you know? There might be a few in there. I'd say next song like Leaves, There might be a few in there. I'd say next song like leaves, um, which they played live for me. Thursday night. Yeah. Uh, it was a slower first set.

I think they were feeling themselves out each night had a different theme and. They closed really strong. You give me Antelope to close. I'm not going to be upset about it at all. It was great. It was, it was great to see him again in a completely different venue. The sphere part of it is another level. Although I would say this, I think because you too had such a long run and

it was the first thing I think the money and resources they put into the video part of you too, sphere show was superior to what I saw on Thursday from fish, but also fish was redoing it four nights in a row. And then the run was over. So I don't think it's fair. I'm trying to be fair to fish about the entire thing. Um, but hoping to get Piper live still, still have never gotten it. All right. Wish I had any idea what you're talking about, but sounds awesome.

Sounds like you're not going to hang out with this guy for fish. I don't know anything about fish. I don't either, but I just, uh, kept that to myself. Wasn't it? It wasn't a hate thing. It wasn't a diss. I just, I don't know anything about fish. You know, ever what gone to a fish show. Yeah. My, uh, what I, yeah, of course, uh, I would go to anything that's considered a good time. So who are we? Sure Sure, sure, but I gotta say, live music, huge hip hop guy, just always been underwhelmed at rap shows and I'm sure I haven't seen Kanye West perform,

that's what everyone always says, but I went to a few and I was just like, but they're just running around screaming a lot of the time. So I enjoyed like, What do you mean, that? Instruments being played. I, The performers, right?

I gotta be honest with you. Uh, rap shows live are tough. Although I didn't, I did enjoy seeing boss this last run through. It was, it was cool. He liked smallman and I saw Lil Wayne at a high school gymnasium that was one of the weekends that we went to LSU Alabama. That was 2016. Right. Remember that? Cause you didn't go, you went to LSU Alabama. That was what, 2016? Oh, that's right. Remember that?

Cause you didn't go, you went to see Better Than Ezra. And I'm with you, like rap concerts suck. Well, I went to my friend's bar. Well, all right. You know, you've been there before. You didn't have to go that night. You could have went to Lil Wayne with us. And Lil Wayne was awesome.

He was, it was the weirdest, it was, who opened for him? Rich Homie Kwan. It was Rich Homie Kwan, and it was Lil Wayne, and it was in the high school gym in Louisiana, in Baton Rouge, and it was, who opened for him? Uh, Rich Homie Kwan was Rich Homie Kwan and it was Lil Wayne. And it was in with a high school gym in Louisiana in Baton Rouge. And it was fucking sick. So I think small rap shows are the, are the move. Like, uh, when, when Fandel sent me to Puerto Rico and like Ludacris was like the headliner of this like small group of like whatever their deal was that weekend. That was incredible.

There was like, I dunno, maybe like a hundred people standing. Probably they were hoping for more would come out to the show, but, uh, that was great. It was intimate. It was incredible. There was like, I don't know, maybe like a hundred people standing. Probably they were hoping for more would come out to the show, but that was great. It was intimate. It was awesome. Press security term out. All right. Should I tell my fiance her diet sucks?

21, six, two, one, 70. Basketball comp, Maxi-Cleba. Hope you're all doing well. I've been engaged for the past year and getting married this summer. I'll get straight to the predicament. My fiance often, at least five times a week says, my stomach hurts. I feel gross or I'm literally about to throw up five times a week.

Huh? She also comments on her bloating after eating is insecure about her stomach size. Hey, after a tough meal, I'm ins I like, man. Insecure about my stomach. Right. What is that? Like, like I'm buttoning the top button or something. What, what's the unsecure?

Unsecure part. Maybe she has a little pop out, you know? Well, I have a reputation as far as like, the Utah show, I'm still catching fucking strays from that one. That was angles though. It was the outfit. Camera has 10 pounds, dude.

So does the altitude. I know that most of this is just hyperbole. I didn't even think that was that funny. And this is how some women or females talk. That being said, I love that guys are still doing that. That's the guys. I know that these issues mainly are a consequence of her diet. She loves soda and her food color palette

consists of varying shades of yellows and browns. Her meals consist of various girl dinners, compromising of mac and cheese, cereal, et cetera. On the other hand, I've experienced the benefits of meal prepping in a relatively healthy diet. I know that a change in her diet would make her feel better, but I do not know how or if she should bring this fact up. There are a couple of important things to know. First, my fiance is by no means fat. She's actually quite skinny, in fact. Second, I have the self-awareness to understand that I probably sound like a loser worrying about her diet at 21 years old. I think people worry about better stuff at younger ages.

You all might be driving yourself absolutely batshit crazy, but. Well, you're not, because she's complaining about it. So you're not, it's a little balance of that. I think that's a different topic of just like, can you be too aware of too many things all at the same time? It's like, you know, the way. Some people don't want solutions either.

I still have a working theory going there. No, I'm sorry. Just kidding. No, but you just said something great. What did you just say, seriously? People don't want advice. They don't want you to like throw out solutions. They're almost mad at you.

You know, they're like, they're upset about something like, oh, my boss or my job or my stomach or whatever. And then if you're, you're coming in here like, you know, fucking big brain, like, well, what you need to do is get some more roughage in. And then maybe have you talked about sending, have you sent emails to your boss or whatever the problem is there? Like, it's clear they're like, actually, I don't want any of this shit from you. Like, I just want you to be like, wow, that's crazy. Yeah. I don't actually want to start meal prepping and I actually don't want to make potatoes for four nights of the week out in advance. Like I'm not,

I'm not into your plan. I just wanted to just bitch a little bit. Yeah. But when you just said like, some people don't want solutions. That's really good. That's really good stuff, Kyle. I love whenever I hear the word solutions in that reference because then I think about the fire fest stuff that just went haywire and those dumb asses trying to sound like tech bros in their vests going, Hey, there's this, this, and this. Hey, I've told you before, we are not a problem. Like whatever we're solutions. Like remember, I forget what the, God the, I can't get the quote.

I know. He's like, we're not about problems, we're about solutions. We are solutions. And it's like, hey, people are going to be stranded there and potentially die. Well, solution it, man. That's what we do here. Just solution it. Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. Okay. So should I confront her on her diet next time she complains? Should I suddenly suggest her to eat an apple or is this very couple conversation we can have when we were 40 and not worry about 21? I like where your head's at with this one. I actually think Kyle hit on something really good. Like the meal prep stuff is kind of a pain in the ass. I've tried to do it before. I actually had to do it when I lived in New

Jersey, make a big tub of this lemon basil chicken salad, very light on the mayo and the dressing part of it. I would just eat wraps for like a week straight because I had no money. And anyway, the point is, is that I don't know how my stomach felt then, but that might be the move. Don't say anything that's confrontational or that she would see as confrontational

because we're on your side. We don't think it's actually confrontational. Hey, would see as confrontational because we're on your side, we don't think it's actually confrontational. Hey, you're always complaining about your stomach, it's happening five days a week, you eat like shit. I actually thought she was gonna say that she eats even worse. I remember this one girl that had the worst diet of anyone I've ever seen ever and somehow body held up.

But the point would be to why not meal prep for her? And some people don't like the meal prep because it's like, oh wait, I'm going to be eating this Thursday and you're dicing up this chicken breast now. Like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to be hanging out Sunday night through Thursday lunch on that one. But why don't you just do like a two day meal prep for her. Go show her that you went out of your way to do this for her without really suggesting why you're actually doing it.

And ask her what she likes, prep it out, pick something that you'll also both like, and then meal prep for her. without really suggesting why you're actually doing it. And ask her what she likes, prep it out, pick something that you'll also both like, and then maybe shockingly, she'll have fallen for it if you make something really mild too, on top of everything else. And she's like, hey, you know what's been great,

is my stomach doesn't really hurt. That could be your solution without having to get into actual conversation about it. I think there's a happy medium between, you know between starting a regimen and maybe you doing the cooking two nights in a row and getting some greens in there. My wife's the same way. She's like a bread pasta, whatever. I'm like more of the, let's get crazy.

I found this new recipe. She's more like, no, mac and cheese is cool, like butter and cheese pasta. Like, so that's on me to sometimes do as well. So I think there's a happy medium between like balls to the wall. This is our new plan. Aren't you so happy about it and just the way it's going? Yeah, I don't think you have to, I don't know. I don't like you making the entire change for her. Like if she keeps complaining, just say, Hey, like, you know, have you ever thought

like maybe it's something that you know, have you ever thought like, maybe it's something that you're eating, or you're allergic to something, something doesn't sit right with you, maybe you should try to figure out what's not making you feel well. I don't know, I don't know that that turns into you being like her personal chef.

I don't know that I love that, but. Well, I would, it depends. Like he cares enough at 21 to send in the email. So I think that's a good start. He doesn't know how to bring it up. A lot of times this kind of stuff can just get really annoying. Cause it's like, are we fighting about the fighter? Are we just fighting now because some other dynamic where I'm annoyed that you're trying to tell me what to do or you're prioritizing some, you know,

you're not thinking about my feelings. And you're like, what the fuck? Like I just ordered, I ordered some pesto, relax. So look, man, maybe, you know, Trojan horse this. Yes. And then if it doesn't work after that, then you can have some difficult. Buy all the groceries.

Yeah. Yeah. Uncomfortable conversations. All right, that'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Wargon, thanks to Sarutti, thanks as always to Kyle. Reminder, that'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Wargon, thanks to Saruti, thanks as always to Kyle. Reminder, schedule change up this week. No show Thursday, but we'll be doing a live YouTube show after round one of the draft with McShay,

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