The Weekly Planet - Spider-Man: No Way Home - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

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That's right, his origin story. Apparently, yeah. We got there, didn't we? We sure did. Fought a guy in space or whatever happened. The things they discuss in this movie. Absolutely. They make jests, they make jokes.

Do you remember Spider-Man's origin when he helped save the universe and he learned a lesson or two about being a young man? Yeah. All the lesson he needed to become a young man yeah that all the lesson he needed to become a friendly neighborhood spider-man and get cats out of trees or whatever and kill jake gyllenhaal yes that classic origin story yeah that's right yeah please leave a like on this video now listen mason yes i know you and a lot of people have kind of soured on this movie i know correction james i was always sour on this movie. Because when we reviewed it on our podcast, The Weekly Planet,

I remember saying I had an enormous amount of fun with this movie, but if I could be a teensy-weensy tiny little bit critical, I think the writing could have done with some work. And people were like, I actually don't think you know how to review movies by saying there might be something slightly wrong with this movie. I think you went into this movie wanting to hate this movie. I think you're a real DC fanboy Marvel hater. Yeah.

And I am. All those things are true. But I stand by them until I'm paid money to not stand by them, in which case I'll do the old switcheroo. Absolutely. But look, that's what I'm talking about, right? You need to look at this movie from the perspective of the time that it came out. What, like two years ago?

It was like we're in COVID. All the movies were cancelled. We're all locked down. This movie was shot in a cupboard. Nobody was in the same room at any point. That's right. We got moving pictures on a screen and we were glad to have it. No, you're absolutely right.

I'm not saying it's great. No, okay, sure. Well, I am saying it's great because my check just cleared. So I'm looking at my banking app and now it is great. But yeah, this works so much better with an audience. Oh, sure. When you don't know what's going to happen. Sure.

Because there's even moments where there's pauses to cheer for the people that show up. Yes. Very noticeable. No, not for me. I still did it. You still did it, did you? Yeah. Great.

My goodness. Anyway, before we get into the nitty gritty of all the things that you love about this movie now that your check's cleared, I just want to talk about the relationship between Sony and Marvel because this had elapsed before this movie went into production fully. Absolutely. So for people who don't know, there was a Marvel comic book company. We talked about it in a previous episode, Mason, two episodes ago. Don't worry about it then.

Yeah. Oh, good for us. Yeah, yeah. God, we're so good at this. I know, when we remember. So for people who don't remember, go back to the Aluminio. Yeah, figure it out. It's not my place to educate you.

Go back two weeks. Give us the view. So going forward with the new deal between Sony and Marvel, which they both would benefit from, Disney wanted the films to be financed on a 50-50 basis. Kevin Feige would remain as a producer. But Sony, though, were saying, no, what we want to do is that Marvel receive about 5% of the first dollar gross and all of the merchandise. Okay, sure.

It was up in the air for a while. Tom Holland even called Bob Iger crying. Do you remember that story? I do remember. Oh, please, Mr. I don't leave me with Sony. Don't leave me in the Morbius universe. Fair enough. Yeah, absolutely.

Very distressing. And I would be crying too. So the deal was, you would cry too if it happened to you. Stuck in the Sony universe. Sucks. So Marvel and Disney now would receive about 25% of the profits. This is according to Variety.

Disney would retain the merchandising rights and they'd put up about a quarter of the financing and then Spider-Man could also appear in future MCU films, etc. Oh, I'm so sorry. A guy you recognise in another property you recognise. I've seen a guy and I'm like, that's Beast. That's Kelsey Grammer's Beast. He looks weird, but he's here.

I don't think he is here. No, he wasn't there. I think it was a stick with a tennis ball on it. They made him there with computers. They certainly did. Well, there's a lot of that going on here because you have a theory and a little bit of research to back it up i have no let me just say you've got a book in front of you mason you brought a book for the first time in

your life about the story of this and how it changed over time with reshoots and development and all of that right should we get into that now let's do it well i mean you know as you previously mentioned you know we were happy to, I mean, you know, as you previously mentioned, you know, we were happy to have this because, you know, it was during COVID. We were blessed. But also, you know, the production of this seems to have been a nightmare. A lot of people have probably read this book,

The Reign of Marvel Studios by Joanna Robinson, Dave Gonzalez and Gavin Edwards, and it's filled with hot, juicy gossip about the production of the creation and the enduring legacy of the Marvel Universe. Enduring, yeah. But, I mean, the short answer here is that... Oh, here we go. He's lost his bloody place. I know. I never had my place.

Look at Professor Book Nerd over here. It's Mr Books. That's me. Because I refuse to underline. I wouldn't underline my books. Well, you're never coming back to this, are you, though? I'm going to burn it after this. Would you do it in a Kindle where you can do a highlight? Oh, I didn't even think about that. You're never coming back to this, are you? I'm going to burn it after this. Would you do it in a Kindle where you can do a highlight?

Oh, I didn't even think about that. You didn't think about anything. Do you fold the corner of your pages over? No, I wouldn't do that either. See, I'm doing that now. I never used to, but now I'm just like,

I've got no bookmarks. This is my life. Hang on, I just want to find the bit where it says when all the guys signed off. Yeah, yeah, we're good. Well, according to the book,

because the screenplay was constantly in flux, none of the actors could read a locked script. Yeah. That's we're good. Well, according to the book, because the screenplay was constantly in flux, none of the actors could read a locked script. Yeah. That's great, isn't it? They joined the project based on their faith in Feige. And money. Also a bunch of money.

They would have got so much money for this, the two returning Spider-Mens. All the Spider-Men. Well, recently there was that interview with Tom Hollander who accidentally received one of Tom Holland's checks. That's right. And it was like... More money than I'd ever seen in his life. And it was like a fraction of a percentage of what he was going to get for one of the Holland's checks. That's right. And it was like... More money than he'd ever seen in his life. And it was like a fraction of a percentage

of what he was going to get for one of the Avengers films. Yeah, right. And famously, Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire didn't sign on until, like, into filming. Yeah. Which is crazy. What if they'd said no? Yeah.

I mean, I guess Marvel would just add a zero to... Just keep adding zeros to the end of the check. I think they had some. Wow, $100.0000. I'm in. I think they did definitely have some ideas. And I'm going to talk about some concept art for some stuff to link to this universe. Or their universe, as I should say.

I think they definitely had backup plans in place. Yeah. But this is half a movie if they hadn't have got them in. But, and again, you know. I mean, it's barely a movie as is. It's a lot of look at that, you know. It really is. Where are we?

It was right here when I. I don't believe you. I don't think you've read it. I think you're reading it live as we're recording. That's right. Spider-Man, you say. Yeah, throughout the shoot, Summers and McKenna kept fabricating new pages

as more actors signed their contracts and joined the cast. Goddamn. And then, of course, you say? Yeah, throughout the shoot, Summers and McKenna kept fabricating new pages as more actors signed their contracts and joined the cast. Goddamn. And then, of course, you know, a lot of people couldn't film together. Some people didn't film at all. They just did a voice. Some of the villains weren't even here. Benedict Cumberbatch shot his scenes in November

before decamping to London for principal photography on Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Manus, which, again, was supposed to happen before this movie. That's right. So this movie was originally going to feature America Chavez, who can punch holes in dimensions. Right. They were like, we can't debut her in this because we can't feature her in this because

you need to have seen a person before. Exactly. Somebody needs to appear in a movie before they're in a movie. The bravest thing you can do is debut a new character. But again, I think so much of this movie, in a second viewing, you can really see the seams and where stuff happened due to necessity, not because it was planned out.

And I think the movie is all the weaker for that. Yeah, I think specifically you're talking about Doctor Strange's decision to cast a spell for everybody to forget Peter Parker and then be like, why did you do this look you're a man what are you doing i haven't i haven't done any research but i've got this whole thing in my head and like look everybody knows the origin of spider-man and if this video is somehow your first exposure to spider-man obviously it's peter parker is an ordinary high

school student he's bitten by a radioactive spider which gives him powers that are vaguely related to being a spider yeah and so but instead of using them to uh do good he decides to be selfish and use it to make money and in the process of that he could have stopped a robbery but he doesn't and then the robber then goes to his home and he kills his uncle ben and therefore he learns the lesson with great power comes great responsibility now when we see tom holland's first appearance in the mcu in captain america civil war clearly something like that has happened to him yes it's not said in so many words and i think in some people's minds if it wasn't said on screen it didn't happen right so in this movie they're like you know what we should have the lesson he learns in this movie be with great power comes great responsibility except first of all that's already happened to him, right?

He saved the universe. Do you remember when he did that? I remember. But on a smaller scale, like remember when he gave up any chances of his relationship with Liz? Yeah. Because he thought, you know, mostly correctly, that it was actually, you know, it was a good thing to do to stop the vulture.

Remember the time in the last movie when he gave up the weapons of mass destruction that that dead guy gave him? I would have kept that. I would have kept it too. But in his mind, it was too much responsibility for him, so he gave up the the weapons of mass destruction that that dead guy gave i would have kept that i would have kept it too yeah but in his mind it was too much responsibility hit for him so he gave it away and in this one the lesson he learns isn't with great power comes great responsibility it's don't trust adults because they seem to be on your side but they have their own agendas and they're just using you for their own ends. First of all, Doctor Strange doesn't cast the spell because he wants Peter's life to be good.

He wants to do it to prove to Wong that he's a better sorcerer and he becomes Sorcerer Supreme again. And then it's ruined. And then he's like, what did you do, Peter Park? You didn't do anything. When Aunt May dies and she's like, with great power must come great responsibility, did she think she was talking to Doctor Strange? I think maybe.

Yeah. Right? It's wild that he pretty much is indirectly, or directly responsible for everything that happens in this movie. And then in the later part of the movie, Peter Parker wants to use his scientific genius and his gifts to save all the other, save the villains before they die in an altered dimension. Yeah. And then... He wants to depower them and

then send them back at the moment of their death. That's right. So they're really dead. They're really in for it when they get... You know? But he wants to do the right thing. He's doing the right thing, but then the Green Goblin betrays him.

Yeah. Remember that? I remember it. I didn't like the way he did that. But here's the thing, and here's where my completely unresearched conspiracy theory comes in. Right. I think there was a version of this movie, maybe not filmed, but maybe some of it was filmed,

maybe not scripted, but maybe some of it was scripted, maybe it was part of the story plan, where this version of Spider-Man in this movie did act irresponsibly, and all the events of the movie were directly his fault, which leads to the death of Aunt May, which explains why Doctor Strange is so mad at him all the events of the movie were directly his fault, which leads to the death of Aunt May. Which explains why Doctor Strange is so mad at him all the time. It also makes sense if you framed it as, I need to get this box because this box is going to solve all my problems,

as opposed to save the villains. Because that box can be anything. That can be an everybody forgets me box. It can be whatever. It could be a baguette. It could be a baguette. It could be anything. But what I think it is, I think there maybe there's a version of this and we'll never

know for sure but i think there's a version of this movie where he goes to dr strange and he says dr strange can you do you have anything that can help everybody in the world forget who i am dr strange says yes it's in this spell book but you can't have it because it's too dangerous we're not going to cast the spell and so peter Parker's like, well, I saved the universe. I'm responsible. I know what I'm doing. I'm a genius. Maybe Doctor Strange doesn't want me to have this

because he knows I'll become the Sorcerer Supreme. How hard could it be? And he steals the spell book, and then he goes to Ned and MJ, and he's like, let's cast this spell. And Ned's like, well, Mum and Grandma always said I was a bit magic. And then they cast the spell, and then all the walls of the dimensions explode or whatever, and then Doctor Strange is legit mad at him.

You know what I mean? Because Morbius is there. You know the scene in the mirror dimension? I don't think Doctor Strange is chasing him, holding the box initially at all. I think it was the spell he steals. Yeah, I think on set also it's just a green box. Yeah, I'm sure people know that the production of these Marvel movies,

like in pre-production, they figure out all the action sequences first yeah and then they sort of string the storyline within them by the time the director gets there they're done they're pretty much don't worry about it could you get that guy to emote i tried but it didn't work oh well here's a million dollars but i think they built the mirror dimension action sequence for this other thing and then they're just like, well, we can't have this version of Spider-Man be an irresponsible kid who learns a lesson, even though that's his actual origin story.

I think they were like, well, he's got to be a golden boy all the time. And he's, he's just always does the right thing. And we've, we've already made this mirror dimension thing. So could he have stole it,

steal a box? He's still a box. Just any box or anything or anyone. That's my first problem with this movie. Oh, sure. That really, yeah. That really long problem that you have a box. Just any box. Or anything. Or anyone. That's my first problem with this movie. Oh sure, that really long problem that you have.

Yeah. So I gotta say, I think it's good having all the three Spider-Men together when they're just standing around just shooting the shit.

I gotta say, even though I have some problems with the movie, any time all those guys were on screen, I'm like, ah, it's my boys are back. Look at them.

My boys. Ah, it's good to have them back. Yeah. Hit me right in the feel. So that's how they got me, you know. Exactly, yeah. But there is another problem with those returning characters, and I know you have a problem with it, where it feels like they're stuck in amber.

Yes. We get a little bit of Andrew Garfield being like, well, after you last saw me when I was fighting the rhino or whatever, however my last movie ended, I got angry and I started hitting people for real and I got real angry about it. That's right. Just people at the shops. Yeah.

Whereas Tobey Maguire was like, I'm all right. I'm doing okay in whatever I'm doing, whatever that is. It's fine or is it? I'm making it work or am I? Am I? I don't know. I could do a little bit better or could I? I don't know.

Yeah. Because there's a chance we might re-explore these universes and I don't want to say I've done anything. Oh, we're definitely going to. So according to screenwriter Chris McKenna, Tobey Maguire wanted to be very minimal about how much you know. So that was apparently an input that he

had in this universe. So there you go. But you know, like you said, just them talking about the weird villains they fought, it's fun. Doing science together, love that. You know when they come through the portals and there's moments where people pause so the audience can cheer? Yes, I did. It's fun, Mason.

It is fun. Andrew Garfield is just doing fucking laps around everybody. Just charismering the shit out of every scene that he's in. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, it really highlights how good he is in very average movies. Absolutely. Wait, what do you mean? This movie was great.

All the guys were there. We cheered. I'm talking about his Spider-Man movies. Oh, they were average, weren't they? Yeah, yeah. So J.K. Simmons, of course, returns as Alex Jones. And that's a bit of fun. I like how you see his set developers.

He's obviously getting more money as it goes along. It's a little kind of rinky-dink blue screen situation. Like we did. Yeah, exactly. Except we're... FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret.

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Yeah. And Daredevil's in this, of course. There's the funny story about Charlie Cox hearing about how much people were excited. Hearing like Daredevil would. Hearing like Daredevil would and can. Like people were cheering to see him in cinemas. So he snuck into a theatre showing to complete silence that's great keeps

him humble yeah absolutely yeah he probably did it in england and they knew he was coming in and they're like they know okay nobody say nothing mr ollywood over here thinks he's all that and a bag of chips let's not even boo yeah it's better if we don't acknowledge him at all yeah that's right so the villains in this though like i said it kind of feels like they were filmed in a cupboard oops, let's not even boo. It's better if we don't acknowledge him at all. Yeah, that's right. So the villains in this, though, like I said, it kind of feels like they were filmed in a cupboard. Two of them weren't even there. Any footage you see of Sandman and Kurt Connors in human form is from their movies.

Yes, absolutely. So they just did voice roles. That's also why the lizard is just in a van for an extended period of time in this movie. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. And Sandman is just a sandy guy sitting on a couch. Yeah. Just things like that.

But of the villains that are actually in this movie, I think they're quite good. They are pretty good, but the thing about them, though, is, on the one hand, Tom Holland's Spider-Man is now going to face versions of those villains in his universe that he already knows their secrets and how to defeat them? No, no, no, Mason. He's going to fight Kraven and Ezekiel Sims

and Venom or Carnage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Morbius. Maybe Morbius, sure. Yeah, maybe he's going to fight those guys. But on the other hand, I'm like, okay, well, I guess what this does is it enables this version of Spider-Man to fight villains outside the norm.

Yeah. Like, mate, norm and Osborn. Wow, wow. Thank you. So maybe, you know, we'll be able to dive further into that. Because the Spider-Man rogues gallery is huge. Yeah. So maybe we can go, well, actually, maybe we don't have to have an MCU version of the Green Goblin.

They could do a Hobgoblin. They could do a Hobgoblin. Or a different coloured goblin. That's right. I mean, Ned Leeds is sometimes a goblin, isn't he? Yeah, sometimes he's a Goblin. They could do a Hobgoblin. They could do a Hobgoblin. Or a different coloured goblin. That's right. I mean, Ned Leeds is sometimes a goblin, isn't he? Yeah, sometimes he's a goblin. I don't know if they're going to go in that direction at any point. But look, here's some stuff in this that I think is great.

Okay, good. I'm prepared to counter them all. All right. No, I'm not really. I think his fight with Willem Dafoe is amazing. Sure. Because you see him just go, I've never fought a complete fucking lunatic before.

Exactly. It's got a touch of the Sam Raimi's about it yeah it's really brutal and absolutely i think it is kind of a downer that again a guy from another universe killed his aunt well it was dr strage really it was dr you take it right he is the guy from that universe you're absolutely right yeah i think also having peter parker like go through the ringer in this emotionally and physically is good. He's all fucked up. Even though he went to space, this is worse than anything that's happened to him prior. And who doesn't love a bit of Spider-Man misery?

We haven't seen enough of it, have we? It is so true. Also, I think some of the callbacks are quite heartfelt. The moment where MJ is caught by Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. It's a little wonky on the landing, but I think that's a nice moment, on the landing. Sure, sure, sure. But I think that's a nice moment, only if you've seen that movie, obviously. Do you think it's counterbalanced by the fact

that some of the villains just say their catchphrases? That's what I was going to say. How did you remember that? How did you remember I'm something of a scientist myself? How did you remember the power of the sun in the palm of my hand? How do you remember I'm the lizard and I live in a van? They're all here, aren't they? They sure are, yep. My back. back yeah that stuff i don't love and there is also you notice the pause after

some of those it's like i'm something of a scientist hooray so at the end right they they i mean they all fight on the statue of liberty that's great but all right wow that was part of your review at the time wasn't it it? This is great, I guess. You stood up in the theater. Oh, I guess they're going to fight on the Statue of Liberty. I guess that's great. So they do the spell or whatever. You see a bunch of villains trying to come through the portal.

I think you see like Kraven and maybe Scorpion, even though he's sort of in this universe already. Sure, but he's coming back. He's coming back, maybe. So people don't remember who Spider-Man is, right? Which happens all the time in the comics. Every now and then somebody or everybody finds out, then they reverse it.

Sometimes the devil does it. It's not important. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just curious about how the erasing works here. So does that mean that people remember that there was a Spider-Man, but not Peter Parker? So if you've met Spider-Man and he takes his mask off and he goes, hello, I'm Peter Parker, do you just remember being with Spider-Man but not Peter Parker. So if you've met Spider-Man and he takes his mask off and he goes, hello, I'm Peter Parker,

do you just remember being with Spider-Man? Is that how that works? I think so. It must be, right? But also, like, him renting an apartment and presumably going to college because he normally does that because he's something of a scientist himself. Yay!

Yes! Ben Lawrence, leave a big gap there for a huge applause, obviously. That means there must be paperwork and records of this person existing, right? Even though his friends don't remember him. Let me tell you this. I don't think they know yet. I think the people making this know. Because when he arrives at his apartment, he's got some books in a box.

And one of them is like the GED, like his high school equivalency test. So I'm thinking maybe he had to... Oh, he's going that way. I think he maybe had to pass high school again. Right. Oh, my God. Spider-Man goes back to high school for three more movies. Yeah, you better believe it.

He's got a whole bunch more friends. Better friends, actually. I guess he would. And a different MJ. Like, this was the real one all along. Some people, I feel, would be happy with that. They would be, yeah. But get over it.

They don't know yet. No. And also, considering in this movie they got rid of the you killed Mysterio plot in eight minutes, I think they're going to do the same thing in the next one. I think they're going to wrap this up in like almost immediately. He's going to show up and there's going to be a big thing and a beam of light

and MJ's going to remember him again. Wow. Yeah. Or they're going to drag it out for another trilogy. I don't know. I don't know, man. It's not fine. No, it's fine, Mason.

Sort it out immediately. I don't have enough time left in my life for another trilogy where finally we get to his origin and MJ's his girlfriend again. Well, you know, we get the new suit at the end and this is the thing that some people want to see with Spider-Man.

He's alone. He's in like the traditional comic book suit. Well, they're going to change it again. We know that. We know that already. They've already announced they're going to give him a new suit in the next one. Great. Good.

Really good. Also, congratulations to this movie for having another Spider-Man movie with a funeral at the end. Oh, great. It's been a while. Sure. It's been a while. It's good to be back, you know? I don't think Mysterio dying counts because I didn't see any funeral for that guy.

No, they just kicked him off the top of that building. Yeah, cool, cool, cool. Also, there's a post-credits scene where Venom's there and then there's a bit of the symbiote left. And what does that mean? Maybe nothing. Who knows? We'll find out down the line.

We might do. I was just going to say, Aunt May's headstone read, help. I need somebody. Help. I got killed by the goblin. Help. It said, help one person, you help everybody. And I'm like, I guess that's the sentiment.

But I feel like her personality didn't really suit. She would have said, like, who farted or something. You know what I mean? Who farted or something. Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? She was, like, zany. I liked how fun she was. She's out for people, something. Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? She was like zany. She was a bit.

I liked how fun she was. She's out for people though. Yeah, I guess. In the community. Yeah, I'd be, you know, whatever dimension she's in now, I think she'd be like, come on, man. Give me a fun one. I told you I was going to get killed by the Green Goblin or whatever.

You know? One of those ones. Anyway, it's time for Trivia Man. No way trivia. The trivia section of the show, Mason. I love that. So this blew my mind because I've got excellent wig da, as you know. That's true.

Benedict Wong wears a wig in this. But it's the wig where like the skin's on it. Like the skin's all the way down his forehead because he's got like a shorter haircut. And he didn't have that at the time because also multiple reshoots and all of that. I know about other wigs in this movie. Like Ned Leeds wears a wig. Doctor Strange's wig continues to just, I find it really offensive. multiple reshoots and all of that. I know about other wigs in this movie, like Ned Leeds wears a wig. Doctor Strange's wig continues to just,

I find it really offensive because it's like you're not even trying. It's like a wig that fucking Bram Stoker's Dracula would wear. Absolutely. It's ridiculous. I should have had a beehive. It basically is. Should have had a bumper under there. That'd be great.

Also, they should have made him British. They should have just made him British in this one. Instead of vaguely American. Yep, I agree. Where's he from? Oh no, at the end he should have been

like, oh, we closed the dimensions and everything's normal again, but I'm British. I agree. I took Charlie Cox's accent.

Yeah, that's right. So the first trailer for this became the most watched movie trailer with over 355 million global views in the first 24 hours. That's because every YouTuber had to analyze it. Yeah, man.

You know we did. So there's a gap there. There's a gap there. That's why the lizard is there. And the lizard was there, it turns out, in a lot of those gaps. Yeah, absolutely. Because otherwise, Andrew Garfield would have just been punching the air. But what if he was?

What if we cut to the final version of the movie and he's just like, get it, get some of this. Peter, what are you, are you okay? I don't know. I've been hit in the head a lot. So some of the concepts that went unused was the Green Goblin had like a partial Iron Man suit. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah.

You can throw that, him zipping about. There was also some concept art of places that they would visit in the Doctor Strange Spider-Man fight from different Spider-Man dimensions. So they visit the train from Spider-Man 2. Oh, my God, the famous train laboratory? Exactly. The secret train laboratory? The pipes bit from Spider-Man 3 where they kill Venom with pipes.

Well, they just left the pipes there for like 20 years. Yeah, they left the pipes, man. They do the kiss, Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange and Spider-Man do the episode and they had a kiss. Pretty much, yeah. Yes. They also were going to visit Times Square

from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Doctor Strange was going to be confused for like a street performer or whatever. So I think these were some ideas where they went, if we can't give them the Spider-Men, we'll just put them in seeds minutes after they left or whatever. People would have hated that.

I agree. And if I were Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield's agent, I would have said that. I would have been like, you can try that, but people will hate it. They will come to Marvel Studios headquarters and burn it down. Add another zero. We want $100 and zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero cents. We will settle for nothing less.

So talking big numbers Mason Big numbers The budget of this was 200 million dollars And it made a return of 1.9 million This was the first Billion

Shut up Mason This will be in the extender But I'm not happy about it Because people love it People love jokes A little behind the scenes moments Don't they Did you do a joke

Is that a joke Shut up Mason And the box office return Was $1.9 billion. This was the first film since The Rise of Skywalker to make a billion dollars, and that's without China's involvement or Russia's election interference. Or me being a hater. It's true. I was being a hater.

Yeah, you were a bit. But look, I think this is going to sound really dismissive. It's good enough. Yeah, great. For sound really dismissive. It's good enough. Yeah, great. For what they were doing. It's good enough. Great. I think that's an unassailable argument, honestly.

I don't think anybody can complain in the comments section. No, they will. Because people will be like, no, you just wanted to hate it, but you didn't have the heart to hate it. I hate fucking Morbius, right? This is better than that, okay? It is better than that. So there are things that are really bad and on the nose

and then there's things that are on the nose but they work out kind of okay, you know? And then his bits are amazing. Remember when Charlie Cox caught that brick? He caught the brick! Although it was going to hit Spider-Man, so I mean, what? He could have just let it hit him and Peter Parker would have been like, ow, but I'm Spider-Man.

I can lift a tank over my head with one hand, so a brick isn't going to do anything. And you basically just reveal that you're also a superhero of some kind, obviously. Yeah, man. You are Daredevil, you idiot. You stupid idiot. Now, there's rumors abound that what Marvel wants to do for Spider-Man 4, because they're doing a new trilogy, is bring it back to the street level.

Basically do more of a low-key Spider-Man situation. Grounded. Whereas apparently Sony wants to bring back all the Spider-Men again. Absolutely. Because that's the thing that worked this time. That's true. But look, I think that will happen regardless in one of the next Avengers multiverse movies or whatever. But you don't need to do that.

People won't like it this time, okay? I just need Sony to understand that, right? You've got to build up to it again. You can't just be like, and now the other Spider-Men are back for whatever reason. Please, please don't. It'll definitely make less money, but you slowly build again, you know? Absolutely. We know what you're doing, right?

With your Morbiuses and your Madam Webs and whatever. You obviously don't know what you're doing, right? What about this, though? What if Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire, and Andrew Garfield, they all go into the quantum realm? You know? And it's huge. Yeah, it's pretty big down there, isn't it? Yeah, what about that? That would work, wouldn't go into the quantum realm. You know, and it's huge. Yeah, it's pretty big down there, isn't it? Yeah, what about that?

That would work, wouldn't it? Yeah, great. It's big. I would love that. Fight Bill Murray or whatever. I guess fight Bill Murray. Whatever's down there. Big is always better is what I'm saying. Big is always better.

But sometimes it's smaller. That's right. Anyways, this has been Caravan of Garbage. We do this every week. Here's a hint towards next week, though. Now, if you'd like to say that early, which who wouldn't? You can actually head over to Big Sandwich. Yeah.

Head over to BigSandwich.co. It's good enough. I agree. The video's going to be good enough. Well, the video will be there, right? Yeah, that's right. Early. But there's also video game Let's Plays.

There's movie commentaries. There's bonus podcasts. A whole bunch of exclusive stuff. Thousands of hours. So many zeros of hours up there, isn't it amazing? Better believe it. That's right. Yeah, and it also helps us keep ads off this.

Like I'm not running ads where I'm like, get this VPN or whatever. You can get one if you want, but that's not down to me. That's between you and God and the VPN service. God has to sign off on that? Absolutely he does. He can still see what you're looking at. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Until one day somebody builds a better VPN.

That's right. And even God can't see what you're doing. You can get up to whatever grubby stuff you want. These are getting too religious. I feel like I'm bringing it up too much. You think so? What am I doing? I don't know.

You think all the Spider-Men should fight God? Yes. In the next one? The Christian God, yes. And also we have a podcast called the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows

any Sony, Pictures, Marvel movie we're going to be talking about it aren't we Mason we'll cover it we'll do your Matt of Webs and whatever won't we yeah I guess we do them all

it comes out every Monday it's got it's own YouTube channel Apple, Spotify all of that doesn't it yes anyways thank you for coming with us on this journey thank you to Ben and Lawrence

for the edits thank you Ben and Lawrence we'll see you on the next video grab that jam you guys we'll see you on the next video. Grab that jam, you guys. We'll see you next week. Bye. Make sure, guys, you leave a big pause for the applause. The applause, yeah.

That's happening now. An applause pause. Yeah. FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+.