The Weekly Planet - The Last Airbender - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

In 2010 Hollywood attempted the impossible, a direct live action adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Turns out. It was impossible. With many considering this to be M. Night Shyamalan's worst dir...ectorial effort by a long way putting a stop to any potential sequel or new live action adaptation until recently. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage reviewSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:54 Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where this week we are taking a look at the first live-action adaptation of Avatar The Last Airbender, as opposed to the animated series, Mason. I could watch it it's it's it's on it's on netflix i've got a lot of free time i could watch this you know multi-award winning i presume very well regarded series that people are constantly telling me to watch but instead i'm like no i can't watch it i gotta watch the movie adaptation that nobody likes first
Starting point is 00:01:19 it's got five percent of rotten tomatoes are you aware of that well i was aware of that but the reason i wanted uh to do it this way is because I've seen the series and I wanted someone's perspective having no experience with it whatsoever. Like, how does this hold up as a movie if you've never seen anything about it? Oh, not well.
Starting point is 00:01:35 This might be the worst movie we've done. Whatever. Yes. Yeah, maybe. Because I think it's the culmination of, like, there's so much money in it and there's so much effort and thought and it's this tentpole blockbuster and it's off culmination of like, there's so much money in it. And there's so much effort and thought. And it's this tentpole blockbuster.
Starting point is 00:01:46 And it's off this beloved franchise. See, I didn't get any sense of that at all. I can tell you that much. It's a very expensive movie. I'm well aware. I mean, look, about midway through, I did Google it. I'm like, do I need to know any information about this? And I'm like, oh, you got me.
Starting point is 00:02:00 It's a Shyamalan movie. I knew that, I think, at the time when it came out. And that's probably why I avoided it at the cinema he was in a real cinematic trough but I'd had forgotten it in the interim and I'm like oh that makes a lot of sense actually it's just like in terms of scope and the potential for a series and the storytelling that you could do with this and it just it doesn't land a single thing it's's kind of fascinating. Well, here's the thing. I think you, based on just this preamble here, I think you like it a lot less than I do. Like, I was not crushed by this.
Starting point is 00:02:32 Yeah. And I think, again, it's because I haven't seen anything that came before that. I get the sense there's a lot of potential in that that was very much squandered in this. What I could tell you from this movie. First, leave a like. Leave a like. If you could. What I could tell you you even if i'd never seen this before which i hadn't wait i'll start again that's right even if i didn't know anything uh you know there was there
Starting point is 00:02:55 was behind this movie i think if i just watched it going in blind i would have been like this is based on something and or multiple things they've cut a lot of it out yes like it's based on a bigger thing like as soon as this started i'm like oh there's an opening text crawl and there's narration and i'm like and it says book one this this this narration is going to be filling in a lot of gaps in this movie and it did yeah it you know that's a bad start when they just do the wall of text. Also, they say avatar weirdly, and that comes from somebody who says, yeah, who says, I say Sega instead of Sega. We're like the king of saying things weirdly.
Starting point is 00:03:34 But if you're adapting something and you cannot get the name of it right. But not all the time. But not all the time. Which maybe I thought was maybe a regional thing because the fire people say avatar, but the water people say avatar. I think maybe it's a Victoria Adelaide thing. Oh, okay, right, yeah. Great reference, everyone.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Everyone gets people from Adelaide are a bit more posh. Yeah, they think they're better than us. They would say avatar. They think they're better than us because they've got more churches. But guess what? Nobody cares. Yeah, churches are in the laneways,
Starting point is 00:04:00 the beautiful coffee culture. Oh my goodness, Mason. That's what Melbourne has. Anyway, back to this movie. It sucks. Let's get into it. Yeah, so I hate most of the cast. It's cast just wrong in general.
Starting point is 00:04:10 There's a few choices in casting that I like. Yinsen is in this. I'm like... That's Yinsen from the Iron Man movies, yes. But also, like a lot of characters, including Jackson Rathborn, who plays...
Starting point is 00:04:20 Sokka? Sokka, yeah. He plays Sokka. Nobody's funny. The appeal of the show... I'll stop you there. Is anyone supposed to be funny? Yes!
Starting point is 00:04:28 It's a very funny show. No, it's not. Based on this movie that I've seen, it's not a funny show. It's a very earnest show. It's a show where they tell you stuff is going to happen and then stuff happened, and then they talk about stuff that did happen, but you never actually see it happen.
Starting point is 00:04:43 They'll be like, we're going to go on this big, long journey, but while we're on the journey, we're going to liberate all these. We're going to use our avatar powers, and we're going to liberate all these towns from the evil of the Fire Nation. Boy, it sure was a fun and enlightening time when we did that. You see some of it. You see it for 30 seconds is what you see.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Yeah. So also Zuko, the bad guy. Danny Zuko. Danny Zuko. You know, the bad guy. Dev Patel. Dev Patel. Dev Patel, who, to be fair, I think is not terrible in this, but he's doing the thing from the cartoon where he's,
Starting point is 00:05:11 he's big and he's yelling. And in the cartoon it totally works, and here it doesn't work at all. Because he's a frail little man. He's a frail, well, not now, isn't he? You seen that guy now? Yeah, he's great. He's got that Nicholas Holt thing going on. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Looks good in burgundy. He looks incredible. And the same with like Katara is supposed to be like this like strong-willed force of nature. That's why she got cast as Kay Diego's daughter in Transformers, whichever Transformers she was in. And even, look, to be fair also, Noah Ringer who plays Aang. I think he. Aang? The Avatar.
Starting point is 00:05:43 The Avatar. Aang the Avatar. Yeah. I think he's a very talented martial artist. Oh, yeah. Genuinely. Certainly, yeah. He's also really fun in the behind-the-scenes stuff. I don't blame him.
Starting point is 00:05:53 It's the mark of a good movie where you can't translate the behind-the-scenes fun to on-screen fun. Because I don't think it's his fault. I think he could have made a good Ang. But it's not presented that way. Right. Like, at all. What it's presented presented that way. Right. Like at all. What it's presented as is this massive mystery, which I enjoyed.
Starting point is 00:06:08 I enjoyed initially. Cause they're like this, the big scrolling wall of Texas, like back in the day, there was an avatar and, and, and he, he,
Starting point is 00:06:16 he's, he joined everyone together and he, he brought peace to the world. And now he's gone. He disappeared a hundred years ago. Who's this kid? Oh, it's the avatar mystery soul. Five minutes in. He disappeared 100 years ago. Who's this kid? Oh, it's the Avatar.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Mystery solved. Five minutes in. I enjoyed that very much. I kept waiting for another shoe to drop, like he wasn't secretly the Avatar, but then he was the Avatar. He was, and everybody cheered at the end, yeah. Except for one guy who was like,
Starting point is 00:06:38 what are you, the Avatar? Do some wind powers. Ah, you got me with your wind powers. That was funny. These are things that I'm going to say some nice things. Okay. Bearing in mind. About me?
Starting point is 00:06:49 No. Oh, all right. These nice things are through gritted teeth. Okay. Because I feel like sometimes you have to say some nice things. You know what your mum tells you? Just be nice. If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all on a podcast. But that doesn't work on a podcast, mum.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Mum. That's not what at all on a podcast. But that doesn't work on a podcast, mum. Mum. That's not what this show's about sometimes. Podcasts are just about spinning your wheels until you're up to 10 minutes. That's right. So to be fair, they built these incredible sets and visit amazing locations. I think at times it's not a horrible looking movie location-wise. But at the same time, there's not really a feel between like distinct nations and regions there's no idea of geography like where are we in the world i didn't know that where is anybody from
Starting point is 00:07:32 what distance has anybody traveled where's the sense of community who is anyone like it doesn't you're throwing all these questions at me like i would somehow know the answers and i don't and they shit like Dev Patel's character in the animation. He's got a big scar across his face because his father did it. It's like retribution and to teach him a lesson and all that. And maybe to get rid of him or maybe to make him a stronger man. He doesn't really seem to care, right? Can you even tell that he's scarred in this movie?
Starting point is 00:08:01 I mean, a little bit from certain angles. That's what I'm talking about. It's like, because it's a huge mark of shame that somebody from the Fire Nation who can control fire gets burnt. That's like a big deal. He's like one of the only ones
Starting point is 00:08:13 you see who has that. It'd be like if you worked at a spaghetti factory and you got drowned in the spaghetti. That's right. You'd be like, Mamma Mia.
Starting point is 00:08:19 That's the first reference I could think of. I guess I'm just hungry. I don't know. And there's things like soccer's boomerang. It's not even shaped right. Like you can't get the shape of a boomerang right.
Starting point is 00:08:28 There's a boomerang in this movie? He's got a boomerang. No, he's got a stick. He has a stick on his back, doesn't he? No, it's a boomerang. He wears a stick on his back, I remember. To you though, does this feel compressed? Does it feel sped up?
Starting point is 00:08:40 Oh yeah. What does it feel like to you? It feels like, well, I mean, very early on we get the avatar who's been rescued from the ice. Oh, yeah. What does it feel like to you? It feels like, well, I mean, very early on we get the Avatar is being rescued from the ice. Yeah, sure. He's been in a big block of ice for 100 yards. And he's rescued by the two brother and sister team. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:56 And then the Fire Nation show up and, like, ruin their lives. They've got great ships and costumes, I think. The ships look pretty good. Why doesn't anybody else have any mechanical ships? It's not important. They're rural and they're connected to the earth. I get it. It's in the animation.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Of course it is. Yeah, I get it. Right. But then he leaves. They capture him and he leaves. And they're like, we've got to go rescue this kid. Why? Because he's the Avatar.
Starting point is 00:09:19 No, but you just met him. And you ruined your village or whatever. Again, it's- Bloody Dev Patel shows up and he ruined you you ruined your village or whatever again it's the bloody Dev Patel shows up and he's like bring me your elderly I want to hear all their boring stories
Starting point is 00:09:29 maybe is that why is that why I'm here I guess so is he going to kill the elderly because they've outlived their usefulness
Starting point is 00:09:36 if I'm honest with you again these are things that you get a sense of in better storytelling over multiple episodes I don't think you would based on this I don't think you would
Starting point is 00:09:42 yeah you're probably right anyway but then they're like we've got to go rescue. No, you don't. You're trying to survive in this harsh, unforgiving, frozen world. Also, he got out. Yeah, on his own. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:52 He seemed skilled enough to get out on his own. Yeah. So what I think I'm saying there is, would it be nice for some bonding? Yeah. Of which there isn't any. Sure. Why are they like, we've got to rescue the... You're not friends.
Starting point is 00:10:03 No. He's a little bald, weird guy. He's a bit of a little bald, weird guy. Why is he still alive? He's been to rescue the... You're not friends. No. He's a little bald weird guy. He's a bit of a little bald weird guy. Why is he still alive? He's been trapped in the ice for 100 years. Magic Mason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, a lot of these things that I think you'll have problems with
Starting point is 00:10:14 are things that don't matter because there's so much else going on and it's such a fleshed out universe. I see, right. I think you watching the show off the back of this is going to ruin it for you, genuinely. Great, terrific. But to to be fair it's only like the first part it extends oh so this is meant to be like season one of the tv series okay right all right well thank you for ruining season one for me in this grand experiment of yours but at least i've got how many left two seasons i think
Starting point is 00:10:39 it gets better as well okay yeah terrific so speaking of though the original creators they didn't want to do this their show was cancelled to make this happen there was going to be a fourth season animated series yes but they thought if this is something that somebody's going to do maybe they should do it but the studio was like no we're going to get m night in he's going to he's going to come in he makes great movies sometimes mostly set in philadelphia so they said okay well then we'll help as much as we can so they were consulting for a bit but then they threw away most of their ideas and they had a big falling out and then they just okay they had virtually no involvement sounds to me like the reason this
Starting point is 00:11:14 movie didn't work is those avatar fellows are of more trouble than they were it seems that way yeah so m night also submitted a seven hour script but had to begrudgingly cut it down to two hours. But it's like, for me, when I hear that, like I see where you're coming from, you want to tell a larger story, but this is a movie. Movies aren't seven hours long. Like if you came and said, I want to do book one over four movies, yeah, but you can't just be like, I'm making a seven-hour movie.
Starting point is 00:11:43 No, you can't. Well, it's all right. We'll fix it with the aforementioned narration, Yeah, but you can't just be like, I'm making a seven-hour movie. No, you can't. Well, it's all right. We'll fix it with the aforementioned narration, and we'll fix it with my favourite character from one of the earlier scenes, Grandma Exposition. Do you remember her? I do remember her, yeah. They're like, Grandma, what's the spirit world?
Starting point is 00:11:55 And she's like, well, you can't see the spirit world. But there's a dragon in it. There's a dragon. I've got a note here that just says, a dragon spirit or something. That's all dragon in it. There's a dragon. Oh, yeah. I've got a note here. It just says, a dragon spirit or something. That's all I have here. But look, side note. Yeah. There is a scene towards the end where Aang, the Avatar, is like, he meditates for hours
Starting point is 00:12:13 and he encounters the dragon spirit. And he's like, dragon spirit, how do I defeat the Fire Nation? Yeah. And the dragon spirit's like, water. Brilliant. All right. Well, look, we're on the clock here. But I mean, thanks for, thanks for, water beats fire, does it. Well, look, we're on the clock here, but, I mean, thanks for...
Starting point is 00:12:26 Water beats fire, does it? Is that what... What if he said rock? Oh, my God. Thank you for that wonderful wisdom, Dragon Spirit. I like to think that Aang is going to, like, bring that forward into his 20s. He's just going to be a guy at home. Like, he communes with the Dragon Spirit, and he's like,
Starting point is 00:12:40 Dragon Spirit, what should I have for dinner tonight? And the Dragon Spirit's like, you can have i have for dinner tonight and the dragon spirit's like uh you could you can have that leftover chili that's in your fridge oh i guess you could get takeout and i was like yep get takeout good call dragon spirit thanks buddy you're the greatest roommate ever that lives in my mind yep but here's the thing though he's made up for this he's one of the only elements well i wondered because here's the thing. I didn't understand the cosmology of the Avatar universe. You don't need to. No, no, I feel that I need to, and you need to explain it to me.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Okay, so the waterbenders get their powers from the moon, but also a fish. And if you kill the fish, you lose the power. So what was the moon? Yeah. Okay, I feel like maybe the- I was actually going to ask you about this in terms of what you understand. The fish is like the power source and the moon is like the volume dial.
Starting point is 00:13:34 So like if the moon's closer, you get more power from the fish. Sure, yeah, okay. But if the fish dies, the presence of the moon will not help you. Yes. But also the dragon is there. The dragon's not the air spirit. Well, no, because what he's supposed to do. Is the air spirit also a fish?
Starting point is 00:13:49 What he normally does, no. He can visit the past versions of himself. Okay. There's hundreds, thousands of them. Oh, I saw them. I remember them. That he can commune with. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:56 So that's what he's supposed to be doing. Okay. Like, often he visits the last one and he goes, why is everything so bad? And he's like, ah, like battles and shit. Wasn't my fault though. But it was. A lot of it was, it turns out.
Starting point is 00:14:07 But don't go further back and ask any of the previous avatars. They wouldn't know. The thing about that dragon. They weren't there, man. Yeah. The dragon looks bad for one. And it also doesn't really represent anything. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:19 It's just a dragon that gives vague advice. Okay. But this is a, from what I can tell, this is a very vague sort of fantasy world, so it requires a dragon from what I can tell. Exactly. It feels like Dragon Ball Anybody? That's got a dragon. Can this have a dragon?
Starting point is 00:14:33 No, it can't have a dragon. Also, 30 minutes of extra footage was cut from the theatrical release because Paramount Pictures wanted this to be converted into 3D as quickly as possible in an effort to save money. And this is at the point where they'd already invested $150 million. And one of the scenes, which is included here,
Starting point is 00:14:51 features the Kyoshi Warriors, which are a massive part of the story because they teach Sokka, who's this kind of... They teach Sokka? They teach Sokka, yes. Can they teach me about the offside rule? Because I'm still so confused about that. They play a different kind of soccer where offside is fine. But he's kind of this blowhard, he's kind of macho and sexist,
Starting point is 00:15:12 and they teach him. No, he seems like a very reasonable guy. No, no, no, no, Mason. No, I'm talking about the animation. He seems very loyal to the princess. He meets the princess and he's like, I've got to protect the princess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But they show him that women can be warriors too
Starting point is 00:15:27 and he needs to kind of maybe step back a bit and realise that you don't have to save everybody all the time. It's all about friendship and working together. And other people outside of you also have abilities who are female. But in this, in the deleted scene, that I'm like, oh, I wonder what this deleted scene is. They get on the back of the big flying yak. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And... As women, our life stages come with unique risk factors,
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Starting point is 00:17:12 It's more confusing than anything else. Yeah. Look, I also, I'm reluctant to blame M. Night for this because he had a perfect seven hours out there. They just wouldn't give it to him. It's not his fault that he,
Starting point is 00:17:24 a movie maker, a man who's supposed to make movies to a predetermined length that we as society have all determined is the correct length for a movie couldn't do that he couldn't do it by a factor of three at least yeah i see what you're saying but it's it's not in his wheelhouse like at all it's a philadelphia philadelphia yeah it's a huge jump in in and scope for him, and it was massively interfered with. He's just not the right person for this, backed by the right people, I think also. And I can remember the time, because I looked at old interviews,
Starting point is 00:17:54 and he's like, this is the best movie I've ever made or whatever, and then a couple of years back he's like, it's the worst movie I've ever made. So it's really that. Wait a second. Did he lie to us in promotional interviews for this movie he was trying to get people to pay for? Yeah, I believe so. Son of a second. Did he lie to us in promotional interviews for this movie he was trying to get people to pay for? Yeah, I believe so.
Starting point is 00:18:08 That son of a bitch. You know what else is bad about this? The bending. Go on. It's bad and it's slow. There's this one scene in the Earth Kingdom where it's one shot and there's special effects. The camera's drifting from person to person and there's wire work and everything. But it looks fucking horrible.
Starting point is 00:18:25 It looks like absolute dog shit. Well, here's the question I had. So it's faster in the cartoon. It's breathtaking. Because in this movie, well, it felt to me like one of those movie universes that doesn't exist until the movie starts. Because it's like, well, put in this. Everybody's got the powers and they can work real slow
Starting point is 00:18:46 like this Tai Chi kind of vibe and make these some vague elemental effects or whatever. And I'm like, so you've been fighting like this for hundreds or thousands of years and you've never even thought to like buddy up each of the benders with just like a dude who runs at the other guy and punches him really hard the nuts like that's that's what because that's all you need you just
Starting point is 00:19:10 need you need you need yeah if you're a fire bender you're the fire bender and you have like an interrupted guy yeah he's got a stick he's got a stick and he hits the other guy with a stick because you need to do this elaborate semaphore, like decoding this pattern situation. Just hit him in the nuts. Yeah, but it's not like that. Or ovaries. But anybody who's skilled at this in the animation, you can't get near them. And if you pair, say, like Aang up with a water bender or an earth bender, he's unstoppable. Or even him by himself is unstoppable.
Starting point is 00:19:40 But it's so slow and wavy. James, you know I'm in possession of half a brick. I feel could take on most of these guys i agree on my own yeah just wait for him to start do the wavy thing brick to the head is all i'm saying there's a scene james there's a scene where the firebenders have taken over what i think is an earth bender encampment yeah the earth benders are like we need the avatar to help us because we don't we can't we can't stop these firebender guys and it's like what's it walls up yeah you put them in a box look below your feet there's all this earth because a lot of the time also if they capture an earthbender they'll put them in metal makes sense there's a point in time in the series where they you know
Starting point is 00:20:21 that cannot be manipulated but that changes later on it's neither here nor there but yeah there's a number of measures that you can put in place to stop somebody and there's also it's a big deal that we see the uncle again play is there an uncle yes his uncle he finds out who the avatar is by doing you see the guy later when he goes whoa is that the guy potentially yes there's a big there's a big line of guys i think they're like water people okay He goes, yo! No, no, it's the bad guy's uncle. Oh, Uncle Bad Guy. Uncle Bad Guy, yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, a very funny character.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And he's also kind of a... He's mostly mean. Yeah, but the thing is he's kind of a goof. Oh, Uncle Incin. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Right, right, right. Because in the animation he's kind of a goof
Starting point is 00:21:01 and people don't really take him seriously. And he's a drunk and he's a bit overweight and people are like, he was this great warrior but now he's like this big loser okay but when you push him too far he's insane like you can make fire out of nothing yeah but that that's that's what i was getting at they can all make fire out of nothing that's not a thing in this universe why did they change it because they're like where did he get the fire from and i'm like i thought they all could do that because that's the law of this universe it's the pyro thing from x-men 2 yeah well they can't make fire but they can make fire no based on what i've seen they cannot make fire and only uncle yin
Starting point is 00:21:34 can make make his own fire yeah that's cool i guess it's pretty cool yeah so the main villain in this yes is mr aziz from spider-man 2. And that doesn't work at all, does it? Because again, and I don't want to be like, but in the animation they did this. But in the animation they did this, right? After he kills the fish and the fish is resurrected. Oh, he stabbed that bag with the fish in it. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:21:57 After he kills the fish, it's his pride that kills him in the end, right? So he's getting swept up by like a great water spirit or something from memory and dev patel's character is there this is just easier for you that's why i'm going there and he's like give me a hand i'll save you right and his pride won't allow him to be saved by this outcast yeah and so he's killed but in this some guys just drown him in a ball of water. Like it's, all right, I guess. Great. Back to the pizza restaurant for you. Awful.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Not a good choice. Look, I realized how long this is getting and I knew this would happen. So instead of doing any kind of trivia, what I've done is in dot points, I've compiled a list of things I hate about this movie that I just, we don't really have time to elaborate on. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:40 And I'm going to tell you for each of these points, what's really not that bad? Okay, great. I like Cliff Curtis. He's universally great in everything that he does. But the animated series, it builds up the character, the lord of all the fire people, the Fire Nation. It builds up to three seasons for the reveal of this character,
Starting point is 00:22:57 and he's voiced by Mark Hamill, and he's a terrifying presence. Here, though, he's not really scary at all. He's just a mean uncle. Yeah, he looks like a Morococcan casino manager that james bond meets but from one of the bad brosnan movies and then maybe like he um you like um shoots him and stuffs him in a cupboard that's right exactly yeah just offhandedly yeah just offhandedly like there's nothing to him he's just wearing a robe and just walking down corridors and being like i I think the Avatar, the Orvitar is a bit, whatever's happening here. The animal sidekicks in this, they look fine,
Starting point is 00:23:28 but they have zero personality. Oh, they're supposed to have personality. They're supposed to have so much personality. Yeah, but personality gets in the way of them liberating the other towns or whatever they did, you know? You're right. Major plot twists are casually revealed to both the audience and the people in the movie,
Starting point is 00:23:41 like the blue spirit being Zuko. What? He's wearing the mask and he rescues Arn. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Also, why did they give him slash from Guns N' Roses' hair? Because that's ridiculous. That doesn't aid that look at all. It's just a blue mask in the animation.
Starting point is 00:23:56 What were they thinking? What race is anybody supposed to be? And I'm not talking about... James, he was using his illusion. That's why he didn't know who he was. Good point. So what race is anyone supposed to be? And I'm not talking about the whitewashing, but also that.
Starting point is 00:24:09 But I mean in terms of accents, clothing, location, where is anybody from? I get they're sort of multicultural, but who is anybody at any point in time? James, I can clear this one up for you. If they're wearing the Fire Nation robes, they're from the Fire Nation, and et cetera for the other three. Okay, right. from the Fire Nation. Mm-hmm. And et cetera for the other three. Okay, right. The logic is clear. Yep.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Whoever is from the Fire Nation sounds like they're from the Fire Nation. Because they're yelling. And around. And around. Okay, gotcha. And so forth. I apologize. It's boring and rushed, but it's also the longest movie I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:24:38 There's no arc for any of the major characters. Sokka, again, overcomes his toxic... Sokka overcomes his toxic... Sokka overcomes his toxic masculinity. And learns to become a great leader and warrior. None of that is here. Yeah, I don't remember him having any toxic masculinity. Which in a way is better for him.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Because if he starts out as a cool dude, he can continue to be a cool dude. But I think if you recall, he does have a character arc. Because he's in love with the princess in theory. Yep. And so when she dies, he's sad in theory. Yep. And then when she comes back to life, he's happy in theory. Does she come back to life?
Starting point is 00:25:16 I don't know. Maybe. She does it in the animation. I can't remember. There's zero creative use of any of the bending. It's just waving hands and gusts of winds and water or whatever. We touched on that already. Try and think of another thing you could do with wind
Starting point is 00:25:29 besides put out a candle sometimes. I've just written here, how dare they, quite frankly. That's just in general. It's not referring to anything specifically. They fucked up the arrow on Aang's head. It's supposed to be a big blue arrow, and I get what they were thinking in changing that, but at the same time, what were they thinking's supposed to be a big blue arrow and i get what they were thinking in changing that but at the same time what were they thinking well it's just a big blue arrow i mean you know thank you lucky stars they didn't try to do some sort of promotional tie-in
Starting point is 00:25:53 and it was like the fedex arrow or something like that yeah good point and this i think ties get your package there with the speed of the wind i think this ties into something you said it's like nobody in the movie knows each other. People who are siblings, friends, lifelong enemies, people that we see meet in the movie. It feels like everybody was grabbed off the street, pushed into the same room, and forced to socialise at gunpoint. There's no chemistry between literally anybody. They could all be filmed on green screen on separate days
Starting point is 00:26:20 in entirely separate locations. Yeah, I kind of thought they were. Like before when you said, these sets were amazing. I'm like, they could just be green screen. It's hard to tell. They went to Greenland. Extreme conditions. Green screen land is what you're thinking.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Okay, am I? Yeah, yeah. Which is a place in Burbank. So the finale of this, there's a moment where they go, hey, Ang, they want you to be their avatar. We all do. Doesn't work like that he is regardless your options are he's the avatar or you stab him and you wait for the next one okay like there's no like we accept you you don't get a choice in that he just is and do you remember the face that they leave ung on at the end no he's just like i don't
Starting point is 00:27:03 know whether he's confused or annoyed constipated yes sort of or like he's like determined it's such a weird shot to end on of him for this character that we never see again by the way they they probably were just like half assed this one because they've got a better scene to end on which is when the general's like well they bloody they defeated me, but they're not going to defeat you. And then it's like, oh, it's the general's daughter who we saw for like 30 seconds an hour ago.
Starting point is 00:27:33 That's right, yeah. Do you get it? Yeah, I get it. This is the first of a trilogy, Mason. I didn't feel anything. So yeah, the budget of this was $150 million, as mentioned. It only made $319 million, which did warrant a sequel. And the idea was that the sequels would take place over years
Starting point is 00:27:48 because the animation takes place over months. That way the characters would age up over years in real time, which kind of makes sense. There were plans in motion to make this happen because it made some money. So they went, oh, can we, do you think, I mean, people, but oh, but some money though. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Can we get away with it? They did that calculation of like negative reviews versus some money. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. There's just a guy in a room at any movie production studio and you just open the door every once in a while. He's just like, I'm still, ooh, it's so, ooh, guys, ooh, check back in an hour.
Starting point is 00:28:26 I like to think he's got a real set of big brass scales that he's using to weigh everything out anyway anybody who had a minor or major creative hand in this movie should go to jail not director's jail i mean real legitimate jail because this is a fucking travesty look i'm a new convert to avatar the last airbender only recently did i watch the entire series and it's incredible. I know I'm jumping on the bandwagon, etc. Like, I never watched this because I always heard it was bad and I'd never seen the original so I didn't feel the need to. But what an absolute
Starting point is 00:28:53 fucking disaster. This is the perfect example of just, you couldn't have done this any worse. Every step that you took was in the wrong direction. Baffling. But at the same time, this happens quite a lot, doesn't it? It really does. And look, James, you are absolutely hysterical.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I do not understand where you're coming from. As someone who hasn't seen the cartoon series, all I can say is that it filled me with the most positive sentiment I can think of for this kind of movie in that I felt nothing. At any point, I did not feel anything a series of a series of scenes washed over me and at the end I'm not changed at all so good for you Hollywood you've done it again done it again uh I just want to end on the ultimate slap in the face for a movie if you don't mind go on so this was the most expensive movie ever
Starting point is 00:29:42 produced by Nickelodeon movies so in addition to the 150 million dollar budget there was 130 million in advertising nickelodeon though did not give the film any nominations at its 2011 kids choice awards despite the fact that airbender was a nickelodeon movies motion picture wow yeah but still maybe a sequel because somebody yeah somebody they open the kids choice door and there's just another dude in there like, oh, no. No. Nah.
Starting point is 00:30:13 He just holds up like whatever reward they give out and just drops it in the trash. You know, you know going in. You know what I mean? You know that something's not good. Yeah, I guess so. Oh, my God. You should watch this.
Starting point is 00:30:24 A really great video on YouTube. Is it our video? Watch this video again. I, I guess so. My God. You should watch this. It's a really great video on YouTube. Is it our video? No. Watch this video again. We have many great videos, but it's people coming out of the cinema, like big fans, and they're all dressed up,
Starting point is 00:30:33 and they're like, what did you think? Every single person is like, the worst. The worst movie I've ever seen. They couldn't have fucked that up more if they tried, which they seemingly did.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I don't know. It feels intentionally bad. I don't know. Again, I think these people are being hysterical. Just feel which they seemingly did. I don't know. It feels intentionally bad. I don't know. Again, I think these people are being hysterical. Just feel nothing like I did. Anyways, this has been Caravan of Garbage. If you'd like a hint towards next week, here it is. And if you would like to see that video early, you can actually head over to bigsandwich.co
Starting point is 00:30:58 where in addition to early videos, there's movie commentaries, there's video game let's plays, there's bonus podcasts. There's a bunch of stuff going on there, isn't there, Mason? Yes, we have a grand old time over there. We do have a grand old time. And we have a podcast called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. Swing by every Monday morning if you do want to check that out. Or other days of the week because
Starting point is 00:31:16 it's still available then too. That's right. And your convenience. Anyways, I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. How dare they, Mason? How very much dare they? And I'm not having it. I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. How dare they, Mason? How very much dare they? And I'm not having it. I'm not having it.
Starting point is 00:31:32 This guy, why doesn't he have a bloody cry about it? He's watched this show five minutes ago and then he's watching the movie and he's like, I'm having a big cry. He's a bloody bandwagon jumper. See you next week. Grab that gem, you guys. We'll see you later. bloody bandwagon jumper. See you next week.
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