Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE WAILING with Neil Campbell

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

A remote village, a mysterious infection and enough family murder to last us a lifetime, we're recapping THE WAILING!! Join us and the hilarious Neil Campbell (Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Comedy Bang-Bang) as we unravel the mystery of this South Korean town. Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fm Podcast artwork by @EllaTalkinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I like watching scary movies and so I watch them and I tell you about them. And we're missing our dear Henley. It's been a while since we've all three been together. I know. God, I miss it. I miss it. I miss it i miss it i miss it sometimes

and you know sometimes life gets in the way sometimes life finds a way and sometimes life gets in the way that's true those are two things that are true um and we want to support everybody's well-being here and sometimes that means you gotta not record the podcast with your friends and so we miss henley very much and we'll all be back someday we promise we promise let's just say henley would have uh had a hard time with this week's movie so maybe a blessing for her i i personally loved it and i can't wait to talk about it but um before we get into this week's movie did anything scary happen to you this week emily um did anything scary happen to me this week emily um did anything scary that

happened to me this week i will i'll say that i have developed throughout the past two years i have developed some habits to cope with the constant anxiety and some of them is important and and we are still very much dealing with all of that anxiety. But, you know, we've reemerged somewhat into regular life-ish. The new normal, whatever it is. But I have not abandoned these habits. And I'm starting to realize that some of the things that I'm doing, I should stop, but I can't. Like, for example, and you know this to be true, Sammy. So early in the pandemic, going on a lot of walks, right?

That's what everybody was doing. Because you should just go outside and go on walks. Because we were going very stir crazy. And I started listening to Harry Potter in Spanish audiobooks. Yes. Because I was like, here's what I'll do. I'll work on my Spanish. Harry Potter is comforting to me

This would be great This was More than two years ago More than two years ago Yeah There are only seven books We know this I can't stop

Re-listening to them It is the only thing I listen to Almost exclusively When I'm sewing I'm listening to Harry Potter I don't know how to speak Spanish When I'm cleaning

I'm listening to Harry Potter I don't know how to speak Spanish Take a walk And I And I know them all by heart i know the spanish books by heart now and that is like i i i know that it's a become its own sickness and and i but i i can't stop and i'm sort of like is this going to be the rest of my life the only thing that i listen to you recommend a podcast to me i've started listening to some of them i i'm still if i have to gravitate back to that absolutely absolutely i wish i had logged the hours of how long i've done this because it's i'm alarmed by it but i also won't stop and the other thing is you know how much i like to um sit when I'm in the shower I've talked about this before

when it's been a hard day or I'm honestly just trying to treat myself a lot of people think of sitting in the shower as a like a sadness activity I couldn't disagree more I find it to be indulgent and um I just really I love and it used to be an infrequent thing a little treat for myself as I'm taking a shower and maybe I'll sit down for a little bit um and i i have one of those little bath pillows that you put against the back wall and it now lives there permanently and almost every time i shower i just sit and i lean against my little back pillow and i sit in the shower and and that makes me take quite a long shower and and again these things just They don't feel sustainable but I Feel myself just

Grabbing hold of them like so Tightly and I just don't know When I will stop and it's a little Concerning you know I don't know if It will be any comfort to you but these don't sound Like bad things to me really Thank you

Certainly there could be more spices than Spanish and sitting in the shower. But, but is this just forever is basically what I'm still a little bit scared about. Have you thought about expanding to something a little like adjacent, like Lord of the Rings, Spanish audio book, like another fantasy? You wouldn't't know that sounds awful to me crazy too crazy too crazy awful to me okay i even tried to spice it up listening to there is like a spain spanish harry potter audiobook and i've done a little bit of that and i'm like this isn't what i like the lisps on this yeah i'm like i don't like this this isn't what i know this isn't what i love and i've gone back back to my original latin american spanish American Spanish Harry Potter audiobook that I rent on my phone from the LA Public Library, which has them all. I say embrace it.

I don't know if that's what you want to hear. No, I love to be enabled. I think it's fine. And I think it's honestly pretty cool. I think both of those things sound cool. Try sitting in the shower. I really recommend to anybody to try to sit in the shower as like a fun choice and not, you know, I'm too drunk or I'm too sad, which is usually how it happens for most people. It's a great treat. It's a great treat. I love that. Sammy, how about you? Anything scary this week? Yeah, there was something a little scary. Oh boy. I know when

you tell me that in our real lives, I'll tell you about it on the pod. I'm like, oh no, she's saving something and she's had something bad. Similarly, you know, it could be worse. But okay, so I was gone last weekend at a bachelorette party. And it was in Sonoma and I drove. And so on Sunday, I drove back kind of a long, it's like six hours. Not the craziest drive. That's a long day though.

You're tired after it was a four-day bachelorette party which is a little longer than most so I was pooped I was very ambitious I was very tired by the time I got home so excited to just lay on the couch watch some tv have an early night go to bed at 9 p.m and I was on track to do just that. Oh, boy. And as I turned off the TV to go to bed, my smoke alarm let out a beep. Just one single beep. And I'm thinking it's a chirp. That fucking low battery thing always happens at these inconvenient times. So I fucking drive to Rite Aid. Oh, wow. I was out of'm usually I'm usually pretty good at keeping

them on hand. And you didn't just take it off the wall, put it outside and think, hope there's not a fire. Because that's what I do. I probably should have done that. But no, I didn't. I looked in my drawer. It was out of nine volt batteries, said, oh, my God, I have to drive to Rite Aid right now. This is not what I want to do. But I also do not want this to be happening all night long. So I went, I got a battery, did it, changed it. Fine. No more beeps. And for five days, that remains the case.

So I did get, I did get rest. This story really jumped in time more than I thought it would. I, I, it's been a journey. So then Friday night, I watched this week's movie and literally the second it ended a beep from the smoke alarm. Same one? I don't know because it's just one beep. So by the time I can investigate.

You don't know where it's coming from. I can't see where it's coming. It's just very fucking loud. And again, just one. And then it stopped. And I was like, OK, well, I'm not. It's a new battery. I'm not.

There's nothing I can do. So I went to bed and it just beeped periodically throughout the night woke me up a couple times my cats are in hell this is their nightmare and by the morning i i called my landlord and he came and he replaced both of my smoke detectors because we i was like i replaced the batteries on both of them already it's still doing it and it's doing it in a way that it's not consistent enough so that i like kind of look crazy because it's like is it really happening or is she just like making this up and i was like i swear to god it's happening and he's like okay hopefully they're just like faulty we'll them. So he replaces both of my smoke detectors. Seems fine. He leaves an hour later. Weep again.

Oh, no. OK. They're new. New batteries, new smoke detectors. So now I go and I take both of them off the wall. Unplug them. Oh, yeah. Take the batteries out.

I put them in my hall closet. Yeah. Cover them in blankets and pillows. Shut the door. What could possibly be? That's the end of the story right yeah it's not another hour later the same beep just as loud and now i'm just like what the fuck is going on i felt so crazy yeah it was making me this took basically all of friday and bled into saturday as well for This beep is just like haunting me. And eventually my other landlord comes in and is like, where's your carbon monoxide detector?

Yep. And it's this other hidden detector. Yep. And it was that. And we fucking figured it out. But Jesus Christ, I felt like I was losing my goddamn mind. And my cats are so on edge now because there's just been like. They're just waiting for

the next beep there's beeps and men coming into the house fixing things they barely know what a man is and so they're very very stressed oh no i think we're on the other side of it now i think you must be you yeah and if a beep happens it's not fun While we're recording this podcast, I will I don't know, turn into the Hulk. I will or evaporate into thin air. I don't know. I'll be so furious. Those are two very different responses. I don't know. Something is going to be really bad. It's really infuriating.

I remember when I used to live in a place where I had a staircase to my bedroom and so the ceiling above the staircase was as high as the second floor, but there's, you know, you know how staircases work. And the smoke detector was at the top of the staircase, but in a way that like you couldn't reach it. You could only reach it on a ladder, but then you'd be putting the ladder on the staircase.

And that was happening to me. It was beeping. And I was like, how the fuck? Oh, that's scary. I ended up getting a big, I get a broom and I just smashed it off the ceiling because I was like, I can't live this way. So that was my solution. It's hell. It's hell. Oh, it is hell. I, you know, so I hate smoke detectors. I get that they're good. They're good. We need them. We need them. Carbamonoxide detector too. We need that.

They're on my shit list at the moment. Yeah. Fair need them. We need them. Carpim Knox, I'd like to, too. We need that, but they're on my shit list at the moment. Yeah. Fair. Fair. But another scary thing that happened to me this week was I watched a very scary movie that I loved a lot. Okay. Had you ever seen it before? I had not. Okay. This is my first viewing, and this has been one that I've been excited about for a while

because I've just heard a lot about it. A lot of great things. I figured we would do it eventually, and I'm very happy that a lot about it. A lot of great things. I figured we would do it eventually. And I'm very happy that that day has come. So this week's movie is The Wailing. It came out in 2016, written and directed by Na Hong Jin, starring Kwak Do Won,

Hwang Joon Min, Jun Wo Hee, Kim Hwan Hee, and Jun Kunimura. And it is streaming on Shudder.com Ooh, Shudder.com And we have a guest this week who chose this movie Very excited to have him here Welcome to the podcast, Neil Campbell

Hi, thank you for having me, I'm excited to be here Hi Neil Okay, Neil, did anything scary happen to you this week? Yes, I guess this would be sort of, at this point, it's a thing that I'm kind of numb to, but if someone were ever to house it for me or something, I think they would get scared a lot. Oh, boy. Okay, okay. So my house, the way to get to the front door is sort of a narrow kind of walkway.

And we have a ring doorbell. And so it has chimes inside the house if someone just walks past it. Not even just ringing it. As it has a video too that you can see? Yes. Right? Okay. And so probably if you go by it and set off the motion alert and set off the chimes, then, you know, it's like seven seconds before someone's actually at the front door. Okay.

Okay. And so, you know, typically I know if someone's coming over or not, you know, or if there's like food delivered or whatever. But, and I think it's not supposed to, as I recall, when I bought it, it was like not supposed to like little animals like set it off. But at night when it's in night vision mode, if there's like it'll it'll go off. Oh, boy. At the paranormal activity. Yeah. And you get like these chimes at like two thirty a.m. or something that,

you know, it's like someone walking up to my front door right now. And seven seconds someone will be here but it's always there's this just big black cat that wanders through the neighborhood and like will pass through it and somehow set it off oh my god I mean some nights it doesn't come at all some nights it comes 2-3 times a

night at this point I actually usually sleep through it or I'll turn the volume down or sometimes I'll just mute it if it's like did wake me up i'm like nope not dealing with this so i'll mute it but um so it doesn't but like if someone's staying here for the first time sometimes i even wake up in the morning i check the history and i'm like oh it rang three times last night i slept through it all but um wow definitely and then also sometimes the skunk will do the same thing so um this this So this week there were multiple big black cat and skunk alarms going off in the dead of night. How long did it take you to figure out that it was that?

Were you like very scared the first few times it happened? I can't actually remember the first time it happened. And actually the cat and the skunk are kind of newer. There used to be another cat that would come through and there's been other other cat once a raccoon came through so i forget when it first would happen i mean one time even like a spider like crawled right in front of the camera so it's it's i can't remember when it first happened but i i yes i got to a point where like hearing it after 11 p.m wasn't suddenly like oh no what's happening it was like right this is a like boy who cried wolf situation this is setting up for you ignoring the burglar oh for sure 100 yeah it's it's i just now ignore it at night and i'm like oh i'll look at a video of the cat in the morning

or whatever and then yeah and like a heist movie someone is dangling a fake spider in front of you so then you can like get to the door and what a crazy claim by the manufacturers to be like, well, animals won't set it off. Don't worry about it. Maybe I'm making that up. Seems like they do. But I seem to recall that it was not supposed to. Like a spider set it off. Come on.

Yeah. But a very close up spider. It was very close. Yeah. True. I will say, and maybe the cat just is nocturnal and skunks are too and stuff. So maybe animals just aren't coming during the day. It never gets set off by animals during the day so i do think there's something about

these dark black animals these black in the night vision like contrasting the image enough or whatever that it sees it more than it should or something but good to know if i ever get a ring alarm to be aware of that would scare me because i would be very scared that would scare me a lot. We have a lot of critters that walk around here at night and even just hearing them rustle around at night, which is a normal animal thing to do, I sometimes get scared because it could be a person

walking around. Could be. So, Neil. Yes. I hear that you like horror. I'm a big fan of horror movies, yes. Can you tell us your relationship with horror? I'm dying to know. Well, I would say sort of probably my main headline.

I mean, I love them and I've I mean, let's see, I think when I was in high school Scream came out. And not that that was even like my gateway. I mean, I remember being at like a sleepover when I was 10 or something and they rented Pet Sematary and I didn't watch it. I like hid the whole time. And then when I was 10 or something and, and they rented, um, pet cemetery.

And I, I didn't watch it. I like hid the whole time. And then I actually remember like, then this isn't even a horror movie, but people for like another birthday party, we're watching total recall. And I'd heard someone gets shot in the head in that movie.

And I was like, that sounds so horrifying. And then I was like, I'm going to be brave and watch it. I'm 12 now or something. And it's like, literally like a, it's Sharon stone stone or something it's like a red dot goes on her head it's not like it's not like as grotesque as i thought no i was like oh i can handle anything now so then i think i really i remember then watching like the fly and really liking that

and stuff so i was like oh i instantly went to like i can deal with this but then you just needed the one the one shot in the head and you're good. Scream came out and that sort of led a bit of a resurgence and, and sort of went from like, Oh, there's always some new like Friday the 13th or some schlocky thing coming out to like, horror is kind of cool again, you know?

And, um, right. Yeah. I, I loved it ever since, but, um,

I don't even know why I mentioned scream. Is it like for me personally, even that pivotal, but just that in the era, I think that really like, that definitely was a moment. Yeah. Mainstreamed it.

Yeah. Because what was that? 99? No. 94. Yeah. Because I think Scream 2 even came out when I was in high school. Yeah.

So I think it's like 96 and 98. And then we got all of the like late 90s, early 2000s, like The Ring and The Grudge. Yeah. Yeah. late 90s early 2000s like the ring and the grudge yeah yeah so when i first moved to la there used to be a video store uh that we'd go rent just anything we could they would have like stuff that wasn't necessarily distributed in the u.s yet like um uh it was called shoot what was it called dang i forget but is that like the corner of like franklin and hillhurst i think there's like a Thai spa there now. It's like next to a subway.

I've gotten a massage at that spot. Yes. Well, you see a video store and I'm just blanking on the name, but we would go get like my roommates and I would get just anything, you know, you know, they'd have like Ringu or Juwan or whatever, like things that maybe were a little hard to find. And then at the time anyway. So we started doing a thing where, and this is what I was going to get at originally. My main headline is we every year do this festival still.

That's like, we could just call it Horror Fest. But that we watch, we get a group of friends together and watch movies somewhere, sometime, some weekend in October. And the sort of gimmick of it is it always starts with something that is like for kids or is like G rated or like a Halloween special or something. And then you build up in intensity over the course of the night and end with something really kind of the definition varies. It used to be like gorier, but I don't even know that that's always the case. Maybe just the most intense or something. Yeah. Something we might refer to as a double black diamond.

Yes. A spend horror film of some sort. What are some of the like, what are some of those that you've done? Like a hereditary maybe? No, we didn't. When we started, we watched, I mean, literally, I think the first time, like we started with Haunted Mansion, like the Eddie Murphy movie. And I think we ended with Faces of Death.

I don't even know what that is. Faces of Death. But it sounds scary. Is it's actually pretty like cheesy. It was this thing that like the legend. OK, it's real footage of people dying, like actual people dying. Oh, Jesus Christ. But and it was like sort of like.

Here's the thing. The original is mostly fake. And the little bits of actual footage are sort of like things you might actually see in like driver's ed like okay a little gross but like footage of like a burned up body in a car crash or something um okay right a wreckage from like a plane crash like an arm or something like that that you sort of see and or like i think there's a little maybe there's a thing about like a monkey getting killed i i haven't seen this but and it's hosted by this guy's like dr francis p gross and it's like a doing a big character and it's like these might drive you mad

and it's like showing these clips and a lot of them are just made up and are faked and so it's reputation is like this is the grossest thing you'll ever see yeah and i think the sequels maybe did dip less into the fake and more into the real there's like a whole series i think in like the 80s and stuff in 90s it was like this is like the this underground video trade or like midnight screenings and places and it was like a fucked up thing and so i'd always heard about it we never watched one and we and they had it at that video store so we watched the first faces of death their first time and and um and then i think like the second year we did it we then we're like well let's up it and we watched this thing called traces of death that was all real and we turned

it off it was too it was just not pleasant in any way yeah it's like not entertainment yeah anymore dr francis p Gross or whatever hosting it. I might be adding the P. Maybe there's no P there. I like the P. I like the P too. I can see why you would add it if that's the case. So then over the years, I honestly forget if we'd like have been doing this straight through since like 2003 or 4. I was going to say, how many times have you done this?

I mean, we definitely did the first one, I think in 03, maybe 4. It's possible it was it took a few years before we were like, oh, this is actually a tradition. We do this every year. But at this point, I would say, and we even did like a virtual one during the pandemic year in 2020. So we've really done it every year for, at this point, I'd say 12, 15 years, like pretty much. That's so fun. Yeah. I love that.

And the movie I picked today, we didn't watch during it, but I was looking at some of like the faves over the years and see if there was something I could pick just to tie it to that. I know you guys have done Wreck. That was a big hit when we did. Oh, yeah. Wreck is great. Love Wreck.

Some of the other finales. We did Raw one year was the finale. Raw was great. Let's see. Martyrs. We haven't done it yet, but I'm so nervous to have to do it. I was close to picking that, but I rewatched it

and I was like, I just had more to say about the way. I was just a bigger fan of the way. It was a little unpleasant. All those torture porn ones. I feel like there's always some rape. There's always some rape. And it's still. That was what I was like.

I feel like murders. I anticipate has some rape in it. I was like, yeah, I. Yeah, I was just watching. I was like, why am I just watching? Like some women get brutalized. I'm like, I'm going to show up on this podcast to be like hey here's this movie i made yeah it's a tough genre for that reason it's you know that french new extremity those were really yeah exactly what we were

hitting for a few years inside have you watched that one no we i feel like the only one of those we've done is high tension high tension oh that was the first one we did of those. And I liked it. I think probably that might be considered one of the tamer ones. It has a twist that like doesn't make sense, right? Yeah, the twist doesn't really make sense. No. Yeah, I love that.

High Tension we did. That was an early one. Barters. Inside. Inside is pretty. It's like a pregnant woman getting chased and it like cuts inside the womb to the baby at times. Like sloshing around. You got that one's pretty great.

Whoa. Sloshing around. Yeah. It's like I want to see those movies, but we got it. We got to space them out a lot. We did High Tension a little too recently, so we'll wait a year. We'll wait a year. We'll wait a little bit.

We did Raw recently, too. Yeah. Raw's great is great but yeah that's like so i mean like some years like probably the scariest thing was maybe watching like sort of a ghost like a like a j horror kind of thing or something but then we would end with like raw or something which is more intense but wasn't the scariest of the night you know but yeah i would say the ones that have like sort of that like well-crafted horror scale i mean like you know that the conjuring does and stuff but i think that a lot of like japanese horror uh and like insidious and stuff do a lot those i think are when you're watching with a crowd seem to be the most effective when it's kind of like that just that sort of thing of like it's looking under the bed and then looking up again when you come back up someone's in the bed, you know, that type of

thing. Oh, we watched one, this one I also almost picked for today called this Argentine film called Terrified, Atarados. I've heard of that. There's also a film called Terrifier, right? Because I feel like I mix these two up. Terrified is pretty

scary and great throughout, but again, I was like I just had a little more to talk about with Wailing It's crazy how there are just so many movies And I keep thinking I know I'm so overwhelmed I keep thinking we're going to run out Or that like yeah

When we ask a guest to come on And I always feel a little guilty sending the list Of like we've already done so many And there are just so many more that are that like there's always new releases but there's so many that we haven't even heard of let alone covered and it's just it's amazing that you've been doing this horror fest for years and years and years and there's still all these movies to cover it's really crazy there's a lot for sure yeah so yeah so we always you know we'll try to mix it up we'll try to get a ghost thing and something really gory or something with like a slasher or something.

Yeah. You know, or like someone like the faulty kind of like gross out Italian horror stuff. And yeah, zombie we've watched and stuff. So, yeah. So what was the first time you saw The Wailing? You've seen this movie before. Yes. Yes.

This is my favorite movie of the year 2016 I saw it spring of 2016 there's these theaters in LA the CGV cinemas in Koreatown at like 6th and Western I saw Train to Busan there I've seen a few different films there and and so I saw the Wailing there spring of 2016 and i just like loved it like was was so blown away and it was one of those things we're like oh this movie's great and then you know the end of the year whatever you sort i thought i've ever even like written down a list of like favorite movies but when you sort of mentally do that and yeah i was like i remember the end of that year i was like i liked arrival and i liked manchester by the sea and so i was like i don't think anything topped the experience for me of The Wailing. I love that movie. So, I was at work and my friend Luke

Deltredici was like, watch this trailer. This looks good. And I didn't heard anything about it. And then he showed me the trailer. I was like, yeah, that looks great. And then it came out like a few weeks later and I saw it and then I went and watched all the director's other movies, which aren't really horror. But, yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah, I'm'm really excited you picked it I've been wanting to see

it for a while I'll give I'll give us some stats about it it has a 99 on rotten tomatoes which is I I looked because I was like that must be the highest or on tomato rating that we've ever done Yeah and The only one higher is Host the zoom one has 100% And that's not Aggregate if that's the right term Because like get out and us are number one and two

In aggregate ratings so they have Lower percentages but like a lot more Ratings so they're like ranked higher I was going to say not many people have maybe ranked Yeah It was scary i liked host yeah i liked it as well um uh the whaling also has a 81 on metacritic and a 7.4 on imdb have we ever had a movie that's gotten in the eights on imdb is there a movie in the eights on imdb nobody who writes things in imdb actually likes movies probably the godfather i'm sure like avengers yeah yeah i think they're they're rare

for sure um and the budget for this film was eight million us dollars and it made 51.3 million dollars and i have a little bit of trivia not much but something i was interested to hear is this is ari aster's favorite horror movie of all time and there's a shot in this that before i knew that i was like this shot is like exactly in hereditary and so i was like oh that that makes sense i feel like i could see a little bit of ari aster's inspiration. Wait, because Hereditary is after it. Hereditary was 2018.

Yeah. Yeah. OK. I just got tripped up. And then this one, I was just happy to read that Emily will not have context for it yet. But it's that no animals were harmed in the making of this movie because there are some parts where I was like, yeah, I was like, there's no fucking way that this is fake and it is thank god well there's one okay it says so it says no higher animals were harmed so there is a worm higher there's a worm that gets uh a hook in it and that is real would the humane society have a problem with that a worm i don't know you know

how you have to get like a humane society approval on it where does it you know where does it start it is that is a moral that is a moral question a higher animal i'd never even consider i didn't know we ranked them that way interesting but that's all the trivia i had i'm okay with a worm being harmed personally if you want to know my own moral code i feel like that works for me that's fine i'm happier that that is the real one and not some of the other ones because they look pretty real. And you did say we were glad that Henley isn't here for this because

there's some kid stuff. Well, Henley has had a sick baby recently and I feel like that's been very stressful for her and there is a sick child. A sick child. Okay. Doesn't bother me. For us, we're going to be fine.

We're going to be fine. Oh, boy. But OK, should we watch the trailer? Sure. Yes. Yes. 던져본 것이고 자네 딸내미는 그것을 확 물어본 것이오 내 눈깔로 직접 봐야 수 없다 잡아!

우리 형식이 어디 있냐고! Whoa, this looks really cool. This also looks gorgeous. It's so beautiful. Yeah, I was going to say the cinematography is Hong Kyung-pyo. It's the same cinematographer as um parasite he works with bong joon-ho a lot as well i mean it's it's beautiful and this uh this place is beautiful i can't remember now the name of the city in south korea i think it's i think it's like gak diong or something and that's i think what the movie is called in korea yeah yep it's struck me at multiple times throughout the movie.

I was like, holy shit. It's like this. So this place is so beautiful. I want to go here. Yeah. Yeah. And then some really bad things happen there that make you not want to be,

not want to be there. Ooh. Ooh. Oh, I'm very excited. I still feel like I don't know what it could possibly be about to happen. That's kind of the magic of, of the movie.

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It's crazy how talking about a movie can sometimes take longer than if you were to watch it because you gotta like really you know show not tell it's also one of these movies it's like mulholland drive or something where like okay i'm trying to describe what you see in the moment and not try to offer the interpretation of what is actually going on. Yeah. It's tricky. It can be tricky. But yeah, I'm here for you and you take it away. Okay. So it begins.

We're in this village in Korea. And I think the first thing we see is the guy baiting the hook with the worms. I think that's like the opening shot, maybe. Right. Real worm. Okay. Yeah. A lower creature.

Yes. okay scene there yeah a low a lower creature yes and this police officer is sort of like this chubby kind of he's got a wife and a daughter lives with his his mother-in-law as well and he like gets a call that he has to sort of show up to a crime scene and they're like oh you need to eat first he's like i can't i should go to the crime scene and they're like no no you should eat and then like that's sort of like a hard, like a comedy cut, basically. And he's like having a full meal, like eating a big meal before he goes. And then when he finally shows up, they're like, where were you? What took so long?

So what you get and there's a lot of like slapstick and a lot of comedy. It's very funny in the beginning. Yeah. First like hour or so of this movie. It's that same thing that I think, you know, Bong Joon-ho also gets a lot of deserved praise for of like being able to kind of... Blend these genres together.

Blend the genres. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like so effective in horror because that really like puts you at ease so that then when

upsetting things happen, you're like, ah, I thought I was having a good time. Yeah. So, and here's where I forget a little bit. Like, they go to this crime scene

and there's like so the main guy our protagonist name is jong-gu and he yeah he arrives and after we've seen him you know like eat his breakfast and stuff it's like clear he arrives to this crime scene and is it's like a lot gnarlier than he anticipated. Like he seems like, oh, oh, my God. Like he's very taken aback by it and looks a little like in over his head. And yeah, it's basically a family has been killed by one of the family members who basically I I feel like looks like a zombie. He's sitting outside. He's covered in a rash and boils. He's covered in blood also. And he's just sort of catatonic almost, just sort of staring

off, and there's like a relative of his who's like screaming, he's like, why'd you do this? And all this, and like there's just it's like kind of like chaos, and this guy just yeah, clearly he's kind of getting in over his head. You know, they investigate that a bit, and they sort of go, oh, maybe he like

ate these weird mushrooms or something like that. And then they're at the police station one night and him and his partner. And then they just get scared. There's like a flash of lightning and there's someone standing outside like this naked woman right outside the window. They get really scared of that and they just like freak out and scream. They're not acting like cops who are like, oh, let's go do something about this. They're like hiding and screaming and stuff.

So Jong-Goo's partner tells him at the station this story that he's heard from a friend of a guy, a hunter who was like checking his traps in the woods and falls, trips and falls and hits his head. And when he wakes up, there is a man in a diaper eating the raw meat of whatever animal was caught in the trap deer whatever yeah so they're this is that's like the story is like why they're kind of spooked in the police station oh and that then he like turned to him and he has these like red demonic looking eyes and the hunter like swears by this story. And he's like, it's a friend of a friend. Like, I swear this story is true. And Jong-Goo is like, no, that's bullshit. He ate mushrooms, but they're a little creeped out. It's like raining and stormy

outside. And so then, yeah, when they see this naked woman, they behave in not in the way that you would think that a police officer would. They like scream and like hide under their desks. They're like, oh my God, where's this lady lady and this guy in the story is like someone who with the red eyes or whatever is like someone they're sort of aware of it's sort of like a hermit type guy who lives in the woods who's a japanese guy which one of my best friends growing up was japanese so i i mean i'm sorry it was korean but would speak about that there was you know a lot i think there's a lot of bias or a lot you know i think it's in korean culture not uncommon for people to be somewhat anti-Japanese. Yes.

Interesting. Some tension between the countries. Yes, exactly. And so it feels a little like there's like xenophobic. It's like, oh, it's that crazy Japanese guy who lives up in the mountains. Yeah, exactly. Is sort of what they're sort of blaming the other in a way here. Mm hmm.

And so, yeah, then the naked woman shows up and then i can't remember exactly but then they they can't they never find the naked lady but they do uh you know something is going on and and they say like it started when the japanese man arrived yes aha but they don't really know what to what to make of it and uh there's like one scene before the next crime scene where he takes his daughter um his daughter's name is hyojin and they go to a store together and she buys a little hair hair clip thing right she catches him having sex with her mom and so it's like in a car and so then it cuts and he's like buying her a bunch of toys. And he's like, what are you? You have any questions about it?

It feels bad that she caught them having sex. So then they go to another crime scene. And then as they're driving away from that or nearby, the naked woman from earlier is like hanging from a tree. And they sort of, you you know put together that she is the one who killed this these people at this crime scene and then hung herself i don't remember exactly then how they connect it to the stranger again but at this point they decide to go see the stranger right like one of jong-gu's friends says that he like has lunch with him or something one day and he's like oh do you do you remember that woman that got or that japanese man raped a woman and he's like yeah i remember that which is like i'm sorry

this like is just common knowledge and nobody's we're not worrying about that right we're not gonna do anything about it but it seems to again be sort of like rumors about oh i heard he like he's a monster yeah and so he says that's the woman like the the woman that hung herself is the woman and killed the people is the woman that the Japanese man raped. Goodness. And it's also like it seems like Jong-gu and his partner are not taken super seriously by the rest of the department. And so because like none of what happens, I feel like is normal police protocol. I feel like is normal police protocol. It seems like they're kind of off doing their own thing, being like, well, I guess we'll investigate the Japanese man because they kind of close the case basing it on the magic mushrooms thing.

They're like it. And also in both cases, they know who the killer was. So they don't necessarily think that there's a crime to be solved. Yeah. Although I think, yeah, both times they have like the boils and stuff. But yeah, so it's just him and his partner that like know something else is up so they're kind of going rogue and so and then the partner's uh nephew is a deacon studying to be a catholic priest who speaks japanese or who can speak japanese they bring him along to translate And they go to see the Japanese guy that

Let's see the first time they go there they sort of The dog is a he has like a Guard dog that's like attacking them Or is like barking at them and like it's it's chain Is like getting loose from the thing And the partner Discovers a room full Of like photos of

The victim like basically anyone involved in these crimes and not just like crime scene photos like photos of them normal like daytime photos before they were like before and after so there's like photos of them alive and dead and there's little like objects in the room too and the partner grabs one and then they you know sort of harass the japanese guy then leave and then on the drive home the partner's like is this your daughter's shoe and and he's like what and then he goes home to talk to his daughter and he's like is this your shoe and she's giving him like a ton of attitude and earlier we've seen her just be like so sweet and stuff and then now she's like she like screams at adam like what's it to you what's so fucking important like and

she's how old probably 10 i feel like she's like this was the cutest weasel girl and yeah now she's like screaming and cursing at him and they're all like what the fuck yeah and so then at night so he goes into her bedroom with a flashlight and he kind of like looks And sees she's got like boils Kind of on her upper leg but then she like wakes up And she's like what are you doing like hiking up Your daughter's skirt in the middle of the night You know and she's like And he's like getting freaked out and so

And the rest of the family also Like the mother-in-law The mother and the mother-in-law are both like something is up Because she's like screaming stop fucking looking at me Stop fucking looking at me And the grandma is like yeah the grandma is like we're we got to get like i know a shaman yes wow okay i think they go to a doctor first and the doctor is and then they go to a shaman or the shaman comes to the house and he does sort of like an initial kind of like scan in a way or does like a little like chant or something.

And he's sort of just expensive. I think they kind of reference or he'd cost some money. And like he sort of realized he like does this kind of cool whistling thing. There's a lot of stuff in this where I kind of go like it's similar to Mulholland Drive. I have this thought where I'm like there's stuff in this where I'm like I bet I would understand more cultural context if I were Korean but also I bet some of it is made up stuff that in the same way that like

if a Korean movie if a Korean person watched like Mulholland Drive I doubt they would be like well I guess if you were American you'd get all of that this might actually be the filmmaker kind of making some stuff up and getting this.

It's like, I think there is stuff that's deliberately kind of like vague or made up or strange that's not like, oh,

you would just get this if I was crazy. So anyway, he does this thing where he like whistles and as he walks around and he like, he's like,

looks at the pot and he's like, what's in that pot or something? They're like, it's just soy sauce and he like, breaks it open and there's like a dead crow inside.

And so you got all this like kind of cool stuff with this shaman. He's basically like, this is like a big evil here. There's a lot of evil. We need to do this huge ritual and to free your daughter and it'll cost even more money and stuff. Yeah. At some point they talk to the hunter that... Oh, that saw the Japanese guy. That they had heard the story from.

Yeah, they're like, let's interview him and ask him some questions. And... Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. They make him take them to the site that it happened. And there's a bunch of dead animal corpses. And he's like, this is it. This is where they...

This is where he was eating the corpse. And it starts raining. And they tell him that he has to come with them to the house. And he won't. And they get in a little scuffle. And he falls and hurts himself again. The hunter guy who already fell down this hill once. And the cops are like, oh, fuck.

Sorry, sorry. And like trying to make it better. And he's screaming at them. I hope you both get struck down by lightning. And at that moment, a lightning bolt hits him, hits the hunter. And they take him to the hospital. And his wife or something is at his bedside and he's in full body bandages. Oh, because that would burn you?

Yeah. Isn't that crazy? There's a scene in... I always think about what that would... You'd get electrocuted, but no, you would get burned. Yes. And there's a scene in Sinister 2, which I watched recently, where they're all electrocuted and all of their skin turns crispy, even though they're not on fire.

And I had never considered that as a thing. But yeah, I guess that's what happens. Because even when you get like a little shock, if you like, like from an outlet or something, it's hot. Right. Because it, ooh. Oh, no, I don't like that at all. When I was a kid, I thought that if you caught on fire, you melted.

Like burning, did it like occur to me? I was like, oh, you'll melt like Wicked Witch or something. Like a little candle. The other thing we've also forgotten that is sort of crucial, this will now make no sense to anybody. When they're just sort of like guarding the crime scene and this woman who's like the woman in white, I think is kind of her thing, kind of comes up and. It's kind of like tossing rocks at our main guy, and she sort of speaks very kind of cryptically to him, and he's he thinks she's just like bothering him and like sniffing around the crime scene. And then it leads to him seeing a vision of the Japanese man, and then he wakes up like it was a dream and so anyway yeah this woman in white becomes an important character yeah um that was earlier on and so while they're at the hospital at the bedside of of the man who's been struck by lightning there's like some screaming happening

and in another part of the hospital they're're like, emergency, like, everybody get over here. And they follow just to see what's going on. And it is the guy that they had. I'm pretty sure it's the guy that killed the family in the opening scene, right? The one that was kind of like a catatonic. And he had been in the hospital there. And he's now convulsing in this way full body convulsions like his looks like his back is breaking and he's like half dangling off the bed and there's like blood coming out of his mouth and there's this moment they're just watching in horror

everyone's just screaming doesn't know what the fuck to do and and there's a part where his clavicle breaks and like pops out and And it's just like it got me. It made me feel so gross. And I just was like, we can't not include the clavicle part because it was I've never seen just. And that's all that breaks like the rest of his bones don't break. But just like he's convulsing so hard that he breaks his own clavicle in it. Oh, yuck. Yeah, yuck.

Yeah. calling it oh yuck yeah yuck yeah so let's see like at one point they leave the daughter alone with like a neighbor to watch and then they come back and the daughter's like stabbed the neighbor and i don't think she's dead i think they're kind of like wheeling around and stuff but like it's clearly like this i think this is like okay we need to do the shaman's expense yeah the daughter is clearly getting going in and out of some sort of possession. She's like full exorcist at times, like screaming, fuck you at her parents when this is absolutely not her normal behavior. And have they linked as the cop linked the boils to the other people? Is he like seeing that as a through line to these other?

Yes. OK, yeah. But there isn't a lot of like other chatter about that. It not like people like how do we solve the boil like it's again all these cases sort of seem to be closed and but there's this overall mystery of what's going on with these people and when they when they were at the japanese man's house he like came back and saw them at his house and they kind of just. They were so scared of what they saw there. All the drawings that they're just like, uh, uh, see you. See you later.

And just leave. And they, they try to ask him, you know, like, why did you come here? And he says, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. Yeah. Yeah. And this is this, they go back to the house and they sort of really threaten him. They go back and he's like cleared out everything, all of the incriminating evidence. And he kills his dog also this time. Oh not for real not for real screen but yeah the dog gets

off leash while they're there to try to get the evidence and he's screaming like where did you put it and he's like i burned it all i burned all the photographs like you're not gonna find them and the dog gets off leash and attacks jong-gu and jong-gu fucking kills him with a axe or something what do you call that like a pitch the the ice pick almost looking thing yeah yeah like a miner's like pickaxe kind of thing yeah um and the japanese man does not seem fazed by the dog dying i i thought yes he's just kind of staring at the guy and doesn't really respond as he's like get out of this town but then the next morning a goat is strung up dead at jong-gu's house so yes we're like oh yeah something is something is up and now jong-gu does believe that the japanese

man is responsible for what's happening to his daughter at this point he's pretty much like blaming the japanese guy for this yeah and so then they hire the shaman to do the exorcism or the death hex or whatever they call it. He says something fun like, I'm going to cast a deadly hex tomorrow at the hour of the dog is what he says. Oh, yes. Yes. Like he looks at like he drops like rice on a table and sort of like says, this is what

I need to do. Like it's a very the guy playing the shaman is great it's i mean everyone's very good in this movie but but it's it's definitely kind of like a showy big yeah so they start doing this big crazy like exorcism essentially ritual and it's cross cut with the japanese guy who has found yet another like dead body in a truck um oh there's been some other crime along the way we've seen we found two more bodies somewhere and they're like oh it's park june bay i think is that's the name of the guy who like we got to find him it's he killed his wife and somebody or whatever so we just know

there's some other guy out there named park june bay so we see the the japanese man find him like dead in a truck covered with boils and stuff. And so we're, you start, they start cross cutting between this like exorcism ritual and the Japanese man doing some kind of ritual of his own. But as things are happening in the exorcism, exorcism ritual, it seems to be harming the Japanese man.

And yes, he's trying to sort of desperately do his own ritual and it's in it. And he's taken a photo of like the dead guy in the truck and it involves the photo and all this stuff. And so and then meanwhile, our John Goo is with his daughter, like just, you know, 10 feet away from where like the shaman's doing the ritual. And she's convulsing like the guy in the hospital, like her. She's sort of like bending her back weird and like it looks like she's maybe about to die and scream screaming for it to stop she's like make it make it stop make it stop make it stop it's horrible that little girl is so good in this it's really yeah i was worried about her and how good

she was she's like how how does doing this performance affect you as a kid i guess maybe it doesn't because you're not really thinking about things in that way yet. You're just like, I'm just doing a like Genday yell and throw my body around. But it like looks so upsetting. You're just, oh, God. Yeah, she's great. So then after this big sort of, you know, set piece thing cutting between these two rituals, the John Goo says he stops the ritual and he goes you know you're

killing my daughter stop this and and he he not he doesn't let them finish the ritual and the shamans kind of like you know bummed about that and they take they take hyojin to the hospital and we see that the japanese man is like collapsed in his ritual room and we see the woman in white looking at him a little glimpse of her again and so now jung-gu gets a bunch of his friends sort of not doing police work he's like we just gotta go like basically kill this guy it's not it doesn't quite say kill i think but it's like we gotta go take care of this guy and they they show up to the stranger's, the Japanese guy's cabin. And they are looking for him. They can't find him.

And then that guy that we had just seen dead in the truck, who the Japanese man was doing a ritual with his photograph, his, like, reanimated corpse comes up and starts attacking them and, like, bites part of the cheek off of one of the, like, of the priest, I think, or the deacon. And it like it's like a one of those like sharp metal rakes kind of put in his head, but it doesn't stop him and he keeps attacking them. But this scene has a little bit of a like Shaun of the Dead vibe. It's like a kind of a fun zombie scene.

So we keep going between these like, is it demons? Is it zombies? Is it a buddy cop movie like again this like blending and everyone's like really like panicking and screaming like they're all terrified of this guy no one's like being brave about it yes i really don't like reminders that um that human teeth can bite through yes i really don't like when that comes up it's like literally i think of that climactic shawn of the Dead scene where they're kind of all just it's like a six on one situation. I'm just like freaking out. And yeah, they eventually.

And they see the Japanese man in the distance. And we've also been tracking him a little. And he looks like scared now. Like he's sort of has been. It's a little different personality from him, like just sort of dead the dead-eyed staring at them earlier and now he looks kind of scared they chase after him they kind of reach this cliff's edge we also see the woman in white kind of in the woods here um briefly and they can't find the guy anymore they reach this cliff's edge they sort of give up and we see at the bottom of the

cliff the japanese man is like hanging on and is like terrified and scared of these guys and he starts crying it's like clear that he's in like a lot of pain and it's you feel really bad for him in in this moment of just because now the woman in white it's like you're like now what the fuck is going on and is he bad yeah it's seeming like maybe he's not in control but is more a pawn in all of this than than perhaps. That was my feeling at the time. And so I'm feeling very bad for him in this moment. Yes.

And there is like this thing of like you're going, well, we've been told, you know, just like in movies in general. It's like, oh, it's going to be the it's the Japanese guy. Like you get the feeling of like, oh, we're probably wrong. It's going to be the it's the Japanese guy. Like you get the feeling of like, oh, we're probably wrong. And we're going to like we went to the easiest solution. You know, the guy who's different from us. And we're blaming that guy.

And it's going to be something closer to home. Right. You start to get that in the very first time. And the first time they go to his house, when they ask him why he's here. And he's like, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. That's when I personally viewing was like, oh, it's not it's not going to be him. Right. You're like, as you're watching, you're like, oh, maybe his those photos are he's trying to protect these people.

You know, something crazy is going on. And he and so at this point, you're like, oh, maybe our guys are like the angry mob. And they and the Japanese man is some sort of protector or something like that. And so then the Japanese man, I think you see him kind of turn and see the woman in white or something. Then it cuts to the guys, the sort of mob that had gathered to get some mob justice. And they're just driving back down the mountain, back to the village. And then the Japanese man's body like falls on their car. Like they hit him and then they get out and they see he's like lying there. And they,

instead of like helping him or anything, they throw him off the other side of the cliff. Like, and then they like get in their car and drive away. And then you see this big wide shot that the woman in white was standing on the cliff above. I don't know. So yes,

now you're going, okay, maybe that happiness guy wasn't so bad. And maybe she's the bad guy. Is he dead? He's dead. It's a little unclear. It seems're going, OK, maybe that Japanese guy wasn't so bad. Maybe she's the bad guy. Is he dead? He's dead. It's a little unclear. It seems like he's probably he may not have been dead when they hit him, but maybe he is.

It's kind of hard to tell. OK, yes. But they certainly don't help him. They throw him off the cliff even further. So I think then they go home and his daughter is feeling better and she seems to be healed. Yeah. He like goes to the hospital to see her and she seems fine and they really sob in each other's arms and this is the moment of jung-gu thinking like it's over like he did it he's the he he saved his daughter and it's just like this moment of them just holding each

other crying really wailing a lot of wailing in this movie ah the wailing and i think his wife says something like, thank God for that shaman. And it like kind of pisses off Chonku. He's like, I did something, but I also can't. Not that it pisses him off, but. Well, I just kind of killed a man, so. He's like, this was me, but I can't take credit.

Then it cuts to the shaman, right? I think. And that's when it's, I don't know where he is exactly, but he encounters the woman in white he just gets out of his car and his like nose starts like bleeding like it drips a little and he like looks he's like huh and then it starts like pouring blood and then he starts and he sees the woman in white and i don't remember if she says anything but he just starts like vomiting so much and blood pouring out of his nose and he's just like he like freaks and he runs and he like packs up his shit really quick and then you see him like on a highway and it says like you know just soul

however and he and he takes the exit to start heading towards solar uh uh and then suddenly it looks like a bunch of like locusts or something started battering his windshield and he like scrapes his to a halt in the middle of the highway and he like gets out and there's nothing on his windshield it's like a vision and he like the and and the shaman is like oh no and he gets back in his car and then he starts calling jong-gu i think he called jong-gu a bunch before too because he's now realizing like oh it's the woman in white and jungoo was at the hospital or something i didn't see the calls or maybe it was like i don't want to talk to the shaman right now and so but then taking credit for my work yeah exactly but then jungoo does try to get a hold

of the shaman while kind of all the crazy shit is happening to the shaman and so he doesn't answer and so jungoo is actually at he drives to the shaman's house and is trying to find him. And then the shaman calls him and the shaman is like, get back home, get back to your family. It's, I misread the whatever and it's not the Japanese man.

Yeah. And he's saying it's this, does he say it's the woman in white or is it that just sort of implied? He says it's a woman. Yeah. He says, he said, I saw a woman. Oh, did you see see her a young woman in a white dress yeah yeah that's okay john goo puts together because he has seen her as well at the crime scene and she seemed to know what

happened how exactly those people died and so he's like oh fuck and starts heading back home in a panic yeah somewhere in this we cut and we see like his partner whose nephew is the deacon has now also killed his like wife and has the boils and this sort of catatonic and they're talking to the deacon and i think with this point we also show there's like a news story and they're like there was a tainted mushroom tonic or something like that and so there's like something i was like and so and even when they're like talking to the deacon, they're like, you should get a lawyer

because it's not even his fault, really. It's this tonic, like that's been poisoning people. Oh boy. He's a victim too. I don't know what a lawyer will really help.

I mean, you still killed people. And so this is our, the climax, I guess, is he gets, I forget what the hell, what's the daughter's like

state at this point? Is she like kind of freaking out? Oh, she, she's missing. Oh no. What's the daughter's like state at this point? Is she like kind of freaking out? Oh, she she's missing. Oh, no. There's a few things happening at once. So one thing that's happening is the priest heads out with like a weapon and a Bible. Maybe what is he? Where he's like going to like the rosary beads or whatever, too, or something.

And he's going to the Japanese man's house because he wants to, like like figure out what happened because his uncle just killed his family. And so he's doing that. John Goo, yeah, I think goes back to his house. The daughter is missing. We've seen again that she's not. Yeah, not herself. I think we saw her eating lots of fish. Right.

So I think she comes back. He's out looking for her so i think she comes back he's out looking for her and then she comes back okay that's what i'm trying to remember i think he he's out looking for her he sees the woman in white he's like i'm looking for a dog she's like she just got home and then it cuts back to the house and she's like kind of standing in the threshold of it to enter this house looking fucked up and the mom and the grandma are like oh thank god you're back and then it like kind of cuts and she's like sitting on the mom and the grandma are like oh thank god you're back and then it like kind of cuts and she's like sitting on the floor of the kitchen having eaten like

she's just like eating everything it's like fish heads and fish it's just like a pile of fish like not the norm this is not how people normally eat this is a regular snack we're cutting then like into like the the deacon is like he's found this like hidden like cave basically behind the cabin or whatever and he starts going into the cave and he sees the old man the japanese man is in there kind of wrapped in a blanket by a fire like really fucked up and like seemingly trying to like tend to his wounds or something and so he's now accounted the Japanese man. Jong-gu is now with the woman in white and the daughter is kind of, we just sort of seen she's at home and she's not. And there's like a shot of the daughter as she is shoveling fish bones into her mouth,

eyeing a knife. Yes. And we see this knife. That's, I think, the last shot we see of the house. So then it goes, this is such a good scene. It goes to Jong-gu with the woman in white and she says i'm the good guy essentially the japanese man is the bad guy he's working with the shaman and you have to trust me you have to have faith in me and there's there's been all this stuff throughout like they do talk to like the head priest at one point earlier in the movie

there's always this stuff about faith and who are you believing in? And so she's like, you have to believe me. I'm trying to help you. He's the shaman. The shaman is helping the Japanese man who's basically a demon. And she says, what you need to do to save her is wait till you hear the rooster crow three times. And if you do that and go home, everything will be OK. If you don't do that, daughter's gonna kill everybody and he's like really freaking out he's not sure if he should trust her or not meanwhile we're cutting to the cave where the deacon goes in

and he's trying to talk to the japanese man he's trying to find like there's always been this thing like are you real or are you a ghost even there's like a quote from the bible at the beginning of like ghost i'm a real man touch me ghosts don't have flesh or something like that and uh so he's trying to figure out the guy's real or not yeah he says show me show me your true form yes show me your true form yeah and the japanese man is like you've made up your mind about me it doesn't matter what i say like you've made up your mind and the priest guy is like no i, I haven't. I'm trying to be like a... If you show me... Yeah, but it is good. He's like,

he's like, well, I'm the devil. And you're like, why that cuts back to the other, to Jong-Goo when he comes back. And then he's like, yeah, he's like, that's what you think, isn't it? Like, it's sort of being, it's still being tricky and stuff. Yeah, you're truly like, what the fuck is going on? And Jong-Goo is also like, what the fuck is going on? I don't know who to believe is this about like

bias or or like prejudice or is this is this whatever and so at this point somewhere in all this cross-cutting then the old man in the cave picks up a picks up a camera and we always know like taking photos has been part of like the rituals

and stuff and he picks up a camera and his hands are like now like demon hands and then it like reveals he's like a fully just like a demon he's like a crazy demon he's a demon and he's got like red eyes and he like looks like a creepy crazy demon and it cuts back to the woman and the crew the rooster is crowed like two times or something and then Jong-gu sees she has earlier when he was buying his daughter all those gifts he bought her this like pink hair clip beret yeah this hair clip

and he sees she has the hair clip she's wearing items of clothing from some of the other people who have been like have the boils on them have been killer stuff and now he thinks no you're tricking me and so then he runs back to the house Some of the other people who have been like have the boils on them have been killers and stuff. And now he thinks, no, you're tricking me. And so then he runs back to the house.

Oh, no. Before the rooster crows the third time. He goes under this sort of little sprig of something that like whatever protective herbs that she has placed the like trap and yet wilts. And so the protection is gone. And then he gets inside. We're crosscutting back. The demon's now taking a photo of the deacon. I like that the demon has to take little photos.

Yeah. He gets inside. His wife and mother-in-law are like dead, stabbed. The girl's sitting there with a knife. And then we don't even see really what happens next, I believe. And then I think we next cut to the shaman showing up. Yep. And he walks inside and he sees Jong-Goo is like basically near the girls sitting out front.

Exactly like the guy at the beginning, just kind of catatonic covered in blood. He goes inside. Jong-Goo is on death's door, kind of stabbed and fucked up. Bleeding out. Yeah. Bleeding out. He goes back to his. He takes a photo of him. Bleeding out. He goes back to his, he takes a photo of him, right? Yep.

He goes back to his car. He accidentally dropped something. It has all the photos that the Japanese man had earlier. He picks him up, puts him back in his car, puts the camera in the car and then drives off. And then it sort of just ends with Jong-Goo,, like remembering a happier time with his daughter. It's like flashes of a memory of him and his daughter on a roller coaster laughing and him mumbling to himself. Don't worry, daddy's going to take care of everything. Daddy's going to take care of everything. Yeah.

And then he dies. And that's the end of the movie. Yeah. There's also a big thing, I will say, in the woman in white scene where he goes, why is this happening? And earlier he's asked why this is happening. And he's explained, like the shaman says, like, when you go fishing, do you know what you're going to catch? And he's like, no. And he's like, that's just what the demon does.

He just like hooks some bait and he doesn't know he's going to catch. And so that's there's no reason why it's happening. Your daughter just took the bait. Your daughter took the bait, whatever it was. And then in this scene with a woman in white he's like why is this happening he's like because you suspected someone who was you were wrong to suspect or something like that and he goes that doesn't make sense she was sick before any of that and so there's a little bit of like a weirdness with that um anyway so so that's part of part of playing into everything here it's

yeah it gets it gets crazy. I mean, it's almost three hours. It's like two hours and 40 minutes or something like that. And there's really no dead space in it. Like it's pretty packed full of just something is always happening. And you're just trying to like keep track of all these little pieces. And yeah, by the end, I was was just like what the fuck is going on yeah wow now i do think i could explain what is happening or roughly but okay i'm sure i'm missing

stuff and and also i'll be split for someone just listening to this podcast they're like oh you've mangled describing it i'm like oh don't forget the woman of wine came in earlier like i'm sure i screwed up and they're oh, now your interpretation of your bad explanation. But I do think it is the Japanese guy is the bad guy is the devil. I think the shaman is a human who is sort of like made a deal with the devil. Yeah. Who is bad, but isn't like supernatural. And the shaman is like when he knows that crow is in the pot like he

because he's in cahoots with the god he knows like he put him there when they're doing that ritual that's cross-cutting between the two things it's just a trick like he's not actually hurting the old man he's trying to get rid of the woman in white is the good guy and he's trying to get rid of her protections or whatever and the old man is doing some weird like soul body transference thing into the other guy that the zombie that the guy dead in the truck and so that's the evil spirit of the is in the zombie guy then he can take whatever form he wants yeah and so then that's why he the japanese man looks so scared for that sequence because it's now this other guy is in his body and he's like, I don't know what's going on.

And then. She so it's a little bit of like a Schrodinger's cat thing where she's like, if it grows three times and it isn't like he walks in before the third crow, then the. And then the killings happen, like he shows up and they have already happened. But, you know, I think it's just that he betrayed that he that he, you know, you just got to trusted the wrong person. Yes. And so even when because we also see the shaman in scenes alone by himself, get scared by the locusts and stuff. But I think that is the woman in white fucking with him. She definitely makes him vomit and stuff.

I think when he's leaving town, it's maybe the evil spirit going. You got a deal. You got to work with me and come back. Yeah. You don't get to just come get out of this. of i think when he's leaving town it's maybe the evil spirit going uh you what are you gonna deal you gotta work with me and come back right you don't get to just come get out of this and so he has to come back because of that or something yeah yeah yeah that makes sense and and in terms of like when he's like but she got sick before before i did this thing that i'm being punished for i think it's like she did get sick from the earlier explanation she just took the bait it was random but this like punishment now is because of like the hitting the guy with the car or something it's like they they actually hit an innocent man

with their car because it was an innocent man's soul in this other body and then they throw him over like he sort of betrays his values or whatever and then he doesn't know he doesn't know any better and so he killed an innocent person because it does in that scene doesn't with her like watching it or something and so that's roughly i think what is happening yeah but it's also like i would be interested if you watched it just going like what if i told i mean obviously we see a guy turn into a demon at some point there's something supernatural but if you did watch going like, would the tonic actually, if you did just watch it with the like, it's all just tainted mushroom tonic. Right.

Would you see characters drink it and stuff throughout? I'm not sure. Yeah, maybe. Oh, yeah. Maybe. There's like enough attention to detail that I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. It's so like the production design is so great.

Like there's so much like clutter in every single person's like yard and house and stuff just has a little like little like I don't know, just like like little piles of junk and all over. It's really, really great. One other little trivia that I thought was interesting is that the woman in white collects items from the people from the upper half of the body and the demon collects things from the lower half. So she has the hair clips and like a badge. And the shoe. I never picked up on that. That's really cool.

Yeah, because it's, you know, the all. That's great. It sort of leans into the higher creatures, lower creatures. Dogs versus worms. Exactly. But it's funny because it's like the thing where you have that moment.

You're like, oh, maybe he's doing good. Maybe the Japanese man is a good person and he's doing hexes to save people. And someone else is the bad person. Then it turns out like, well, that is a good instinct. It's just the woman in white who's doing it. But at this point, you've been taught like, no, no, no. If someone has someone's objects, it means they're bad. And so it's like it's such a funny like it really does keep twisting where you're who you're believing or not.

Yeah. And it is I feel like a complaint about the movie is that it does end with the like, no, the xenophobia was good. Oh, that is the craziest thing about it. I almost like. The most impressed by is like there's no way you could, you would do that with like an American movie. I mean, right.

In general. And because people would be like, wait, what? Yeah. And especially with the like history between those two countries, I feel like. Yeah.

Yeah. But I think it is like, oddly, like people are so used to like, well, a movie want to do this. Right. It's like,

yeah. Like gets away with it in a way maybe just because yeah that does feel so obvious i felt my brain when you guys were explaining being like oh i that was very the devil chose the japanese man because they would be racist against him and so they're making him yeah yeah yeah you know i think there is an explanation yeah and the director was very much like i mean obviously he wouldn't be like, yeah, I did it because I wanted to be racist. Like he very much was like, no, no, no. That like was not my intention.

Oops, oops, oops. Another movie I thought about doing here, but I didn't do, but is worth watching, especially if you're like this. Have you heard of this movie, The that came out no last year so it started as it's it's it's like i think co-written and produced by nahang jen i think it started as an idea he had of like what if i just followed the shaman somewhere else and then he like started doing and then he was like no no no i'm gonna do a different type of shaman story um so it's it's it's there there is a shaman but it's not a shaman in cahoots with the devil or whatever yeah and it's actually a thai film it's not even a it's not a korean film but it's the guy who it's a thai director who had made this movie shutter that i think got remade in america

that's part of like the early 2000s kind of like uh uh yeah sort of asian horror wave there um yeah but anyway the medium's pretty good and i would say it's more of like a true horror like i love the wailing and it's but it's it is i know i keep saying mulholland drive but it's similar it is mulholland drive eskin like it's not really pure horror yeah it's it's like certainly there's some gross out stuff with like the blood and the cheek getting bitten and the clavicle and stuff. And there are some really like creepy sequences, but there's not really like stuff that's like,

huh? Like that. Uh-huh. Yeah. There's almost no jump scares at all. Yeah. But the medium has plenty. So anyway,

I would check out the medium sometime. Okay. I'm going to add it to my list. I sort of love a horror movie that ends sad and bad. Me too. No, we didn't. We didn't succeed. And things got really bad.

And I also like that there isn't necessarily really a reason why it happened to them. Because it's just like, well, no, there's evil in the world. You fell into it. Sorry. Because that is the scariest thing about life is like some terrible shit could just happen and there's no there's not always going to be an answer i love sinister but uh what i will say is i mean i remember i saw in the theater with paul rust who does the movie fest with me the horror fest with me and like we just kind of

laughed at that where like vincent offry was on skype and he's like the demon's name is bagul like they just like it makes it so like oh it's all within the realm of human understanding this movie it's like it follows rules we understand here's what his mo is and here's his name

even and here's what he does and here's and here's maybe how to defeat him and yeah i there's just something i i think i i in general the the horror that maybe kind of elevates itself a little as much as i love all i love the schlocky stuff i love the i love all the different types in different ways so it's not to say yeah i think it's like bad but like the stuff that elevates a little more is maybe the stuff where it is a little bit like you know it's actually kind of creepy it's like you may not just be able to ever understand this and it may yeah yeah there isn't an easy solution even like my like

interpretation of it is sort of i'm sure there's little things in it that are kind of contradicting that or or that are and even my interpretation is like i'm seeing scenes the characters didn't see so at least i'm getting like the characters never getting this understanding. It's right. So, yeah, yeah, it is. It is a lot of like their their best explanation is like, oh, it's just it's like fishing. It's a hook. And obviously it starts with the fish hook.

But like it's, you know, you don't really know why any of it's ever happening. Yeah, I think I do think that's best. Yeah, we've talked before about the the the first half of a horror movie is often better than the second half because building that mystery is like what we're all like oh what's it gonna be and then yeah when you ended up with with like a clear explanation it's usually unsatisfying and it is much creepier to just be like could happen to you sinister too just has a character who like it almost becomes creepier to just be like could happen to you sinister too just has a character who like it almost becomes like a chess match between like right we know what this

demon does and maybe we're gonna try to counteract it in these ways as opposed to like it seeming mysterious and vague and sinister one you know for a long time yeah also like there's no way if if demons if demons are real i don't't know, they would abide by human logic and rules and you'd be like, ah, I got you demon. No, it's a demon. It always makes me laugh in Hellraiser when I just rewatched a scene where she's like, I'll trade

you him for me. And they're like, okay. And it's like, they don't have to do that. They would just be like, we'll do whatever the fuck we want. That's so many like sort of haunting kind of movies you have to like go back you're like why didn't they just kill him right away like what was like that sort of like why did they have to get my best explanation for all that is always just like well i guess the demon's just trying to have some fun you know it would get boring to just be able to kill anybody you would

ever want easily like why not yeah give yourself a challenge like sometimes some people come up with like a way it makes sense yeah typically i don't feel like that's what i'm saying yeah um but the even though this is not uh that we're saying that this isn't a straight horror i do feel confident emily and and r henley would never want to watch this movie i never want never want to watch it? Okay. Because I was just like, oh, no jump scares. Maybe not. Especially Henley. I mean, the stuff with the kid is like really, it's just like the kind, there

are scenes in it where it's just like everyone is in so much distress and pain and that's like, I feel like what I know you guys don't like. Sure. Just like a feeling of doom. Just seeing people like that.

So scared and not knowing what to do and out of their element and and afraid for their family members. There's a lot of that. Sure. A lot of despair. Yep. Sure. Yeah. But I loved it.

I eat that shit up. You tend to love that stuff. That's my favorite kind. I hadn't watched it in a while. And when I rewatched it, I was, I'd forgotten a lot of stuff. But I was just like, oh, yeah. I remember just how I was like, God, this is so fucking good. The first time I saw like movies where they're done.

And I immediately want to go like Google interviews with the director and read every interpretation and stuff i'm like you know if i don't care i don't do that and i would just right yeah yeah i'm gonna go see this guy's other movies and yeah the second the medium came out last year i was like a guy associated with the whale the whaling director is somewhat associated with this like i gotta watch this like yeah yeah i'm gonna check that out i'm excited that makes sense so yeah that it that ari aster loves it so much because he's i mean just like absolute tragedy and a feeling of doom in every second as like that's his movies so that makes a lot of sense he's like i like there's another guy make a two and a half hour horror movies and the shot that I mentioned that like looked like the Ari Aster shot.

It's there's just a shot of the Japanese man like watching that really reminded me. I don't know. It's like probably a shot in lots of movies. But for some reason, it just completely reminded me of there's a scene where I think the grandmother is watching the daughter on the playground or something. And it's just this ominous of like him just staring. But the framing of it or something, something really just reminded me of that particular shot. But yeah. And I also just got to say, I love a movie.

I realized that I love a very long foreign film because having to focus on subtitles is like one of the best cures for my anxiety like it's like one of the few things that can focus me and not have me like being watching tv and being on my phone at the same time which you have to really pay attention i just love it i always feel amazing after these films i know i love it i i watch a lot of foreign movies and i also eat dinner a lot and watch movies a lot. And that's always the I have to pick one or the other. It's like looking down or like really time your bites. Yeah, exactly. I look up. I'm like, wait, what? Who said what?

Yeah. Yeah. Neil, thank you so much for coming on. This has been great. I'm so happy to have seen this movie and i just had a uh i had a great time talking about it yeah me too i i love this movie i hope people check it out and shutter.com folks shutter.com shutter.com we love it we love it how far in advance do you start planning your upcoming years horror like you have thoughts already about what i do wow i well basically if i ever hear about a movie that might be good i just write myself an email and just write horror fest and then write the name of the movie in it and then come like mid-september i search my email

for the word horror fest and then usually have a little starter list but then i'll start because what we don't do is watch stuff that we think people have seen already like okay if like we that's probably why we had never watched like hereditary because everyone we knew in our friend group had that makes sense and so i wind up going to a lot of like these lists of like best indie horror or or like or not always indie but just like straight to streaming kind of that maybe wasn't on Netflix. That was on like not all my friends. Most of my friends don't have Shudder or stuff that was just like for rent or something. You know, you'd have to like seek out if you wanted to watch. So, yeah, because even like Netflix stuff, there's sometimes been a few things that kind of look good, but we don't do because we're just like people might just watch this.

Right. Maybe less so now, but I feel like a few years ago. And so, yeah yeah it's it's make a list throughout the year and then i always change it and i and i email back and forth with paul and we always kind of at the last minute swap something in around that's so fun i i need to incorporate a halloween an october routine like ritual thing like that you know those people that do the 31 days of halloween which is like to me sounds incredibly stressful yeah i don't know that i want to do a movie every i'd rather do like a day of a bunch of movies than one every day for a month yes i think i i prefer this it's it's pretty fun i mean

even then you always get to like the fifth movie and you're like okay here we go oh you know another another way we'll watch This past year That was really Fun and entertaining For the group Was this movie Meander It's like French I think it's mostly

Sort of There's not a lot of dialogue Actually at all But it's That might be another one To check out sometime Meander Oh man

I'm gonna write these down So many movies So many It's really wild And there's a ton of Horror movies coming out This year that I know Sammy's very excited about

They just keep on coming. Men's coming out next week. I'm very excited. I'm excited for that. Got my tickets already. That's great. When I was in college and I was in the, I actually wasn't in the theater department, but I did auditions. You had to do a dramatic monologue.

I had just read Alex Garland's book, The Beach, that got turned into the movie later. And did like try for my dramatic monologue did something i like cringing talking about this but like took something from the beach like you know i've heard that i should revisit the i don't remember it at all and someone was like it's actually remember someone was like defending it because it got like a lot of shit right i feel like it got oh yeah the movie i actually like didn't even see the movie in theaters i saw like years later and it's got like that video game sequence it's a little like oh yeah yeah yeah trying i'm gonna watch it put a

lot of style i'm gonna add it to my list and revisit it in a danny boyle-ish way but why the hell not i love 20 days later and train spotting yeah uh neil thank you so much i appreciate it where where can people find you do you have anything you want to plug that you're working on um i don't really have anything to plug i know and i'm not online i'm not i i have an instagram that i don't haven't uploaded a photograph in about two years so okay great so I want to check back

at the old stuff yeah it's kneeler dude is my name on that but no I'm bad

I don't know my friends the sloppy boys have a funny podcast I don't know great great yeah

hell yeah check out some funny friends got lots of funny friends yeah with a lot of freaking podcasts so yeah yeah um well thank you for are there i mean i guess there's no voices with a voice just a lot of wailing so maybe we can i don't know do we want to wail no let's just do a regular goodbye we can just say goodbye we can just say goodbye so from all of us here at too scary didn't watch goodbye goodbye that feels really yeah wow goodbye there it is hi everybody thank you so much for listening to another episode of too scary didn't watch if you enjoyed the episode please remember to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts And if you really want to make our day, you can rate us five stars on Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

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