WHOA That's Good Podcast - A Messy Conversation About Christians & Reality TV | Sadie & Korie

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

There's a lot happening in the Robertson family right now! Sadie and Korie have a big update to share, and then they begin a "messy-ish" conversation tackling the ins and outs of reality TV. Should Christians participate in it? CAN a believer stay true to their convictions and be in a reality TV show? Sadie and Korie go all the way back to the early days of "Duck Dynasty" and how that came to be, why the Robertsons chose to be on a reality TV show, and why they're so grateful to YOU. Korie describes a particular scene where the direction was to bring the drama and how she and her sister-in-law Missy responded. And Sadie won't ever forget being told to tell her Papaw Phil "no" in a scene when he asked the grandkids to pick up sticks.  https://give.cru.org/good or text GOOD to 71326 — Get a free copy of Sadie and Christian's new book "How to Put Love First" with your monthly gift! https://www.auraframes.com/whoa — Get $20 off Aura’s best-selling frames when you use code WHOA at checkout! https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alright, what's up sisters and friends? Happy Monday everybody! I got y'all's favorite guest back on the podcast, my mom, Kay Swaggy. And today we're not doing a messy conversation. Normally when we do our messy conversations we have our Bibles out, we're diving through a tough, sticky conversation which we do want to do more of because I think that was probably the most requested podcast when we asked, like, what kind of episodes do y'all want to see? Y'all are loving the sisters ones, me too. Are loving the messy conversations, me too.

And we want to keep that going. So keep asking us those hard conversations or to have those hard conversations, whether it be in DMs or the comments, we'll get to that. But today we're actually going to kind of give you a little life update. And while we're giving you all this life update, just kind of what we're doing behind the scenes, we are also going to share some of our thoughts on reality TV, which I just gave a hint as to what our update is. Now, before y'all go crazy,

this is a Jump the Gun podcast. This is just, we're talking about it and we decided to bring y'all into the mix. So, Mom, before I get to you, or I guess I'll go ahead and pass it to you, everyone's been asking us to come back on TV probably since we left, which was my senior year of high school. So that was like eight years ago.

I think was it that long? I think it was eight years. 2017 was whenever we ended. I graduated in 2016. So 2017. We really finished 2016. We filmed like early 2017. We filmed kind of the wrap up and that was it. So really 2016 was the end. Yeah, so about eight years ago.

Wow. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. Do you think that I was on Dips with the Stars 10 years ago? That is crazy. Like, what? That's insane. It seems like yesterday and also 10 years ago

because we've lived so much lives since then. I mean, our family has expanded so much since then. It really has. And it feels like such a different lifetime ago because back then we were on TV a lot. Like we had Duck Dynasty. We were on for five years and how many episodes? We did 130 episodes, 11 seasons in five years and it was crazy. It was crazy. And then I did it with the stars and we did all kinds of different things and we were just on TV. And then we did not do that anymore. We all went separate directions and did different things and that's what we're

doing now. And so in so many ways it feels like a different life time ago but then also you look back and it's so fun. Like Honey just started watching Duck Dynasty and hearing Honey say Duck Dynasty is the cutest thing ever. I haven't heard that yet. That's hilarious. No. Oh, it is so funny. I'm watching Duck Dynasty.

That is how she pronounces things. Yes. Dad was watching her the night. I called him. He was at a hotel because he was speaking somewhere. And I called him. I was like, what are you doing? I just got stuck watching Duck Dynasty.

I watched like four episodes. And he was like, it was actually really funny. I was like, what are you doing? He's like, I just got stuck watching Dick Dynasty. I watched like four episodes and he was like, it was actually really funny. I was like, you are. He was really good. I think we were just, we were so in it, you know? We weren't like watching it. We were at first and then it got to the point where we were filming so much and doing so much

and then we all started writing books and speaking and doing other things. And then it was like, whoa. And so to look back, it is really fun. It is funny. And we would have remember we on Wednesday nights, like the whole family would come over after church because we had church on Wednesday nights. Yeah. The whole family would come over.

We'd all sit down and watch it together. And it was really, it was really fun. It was such a fun season and so wild and crazy. And then time just passed. Like, yeah, we finished the show and when it was over, we were ready for it to be over. We were tired. We were tired. Like we had gone, I mean, looking back, like I look back,

even at like my Instagram then and like what all we were doing. And like, how did we do that much? We were so busy and we were filming so much. We actually, I remember the first year we were just filming like seven days a week. It was crazy because we were trying to figure out what seven days a week, it was crazy because we were trying to figure out what this show is, what it was going to be. And then we kind of got a routine about it. But, and we actually put in our contract, we would only do 30 episodes

a year because we were like, that's just all we can do and actually have a life. And so we figured out, you know, okay, let's film, we felt Monday through Thursdays, 30 episodes and tried to figure out how to live at this pace, but still it was crazy. And when it was done, we were ready for a break. And it wasn't nine to five. It was all day. We get done filming sometimes at midnight. Yeah, filming schedule. They work on 12-hour days. So that's crazy. And the crew, I don't even know, so much of the crew who we loved, like literally moved here, the West Monroe, Louisiana from LA or from La Lafamilies. I left everybody and we're here for such a long time,

which was so sweet and they worked so hard and were amazing. But yeah, it was kind of, it was home for a break. It was crazy. I remember I thought it was so crazy because my sophomore year of high school, I missed 75 days of school. I had to get a workers permit and it was just a wild time of our life. So anyways, we set it away.

And my mom, so two mama, you all know two mama, if you listen to Sadie's podcast, she was the on set tutor, which was really fun. That worked out good because she actually had a teaching certificate. She was a teacher. Yeah. She was able to be yours on set tutor. So that was fun. God's provision, it was sweet. So then we all kind of stopped doing TV, everything changed for a lot of our lives, I mean all of our lives, everything changed, but so much changed,

like we all, most of us got married and have kids and have different jobs. Moved away for a while. You went to Nashville. Don't like America went to Virginia. You know, people moved away. Rebecca, well, Rebecca had come back already because she had been in LA. She had already graduated and come back.

Pause. We're trying. We just said, hope we're trying, which goes all the way back to Duke Dynasty because there is a train that goes right by our warehouse here. And so of all the filming in this warehouse right here, which is a whole other thing, the fact that we're this podcast studio is in the Duck Commander warehouse, we're all filming in this warehouse right here. We always had to hold for train. And

so we'd be mid conversation, mid scene or whatever. And it'd be like everyone would just stop talking. Train. Someone say hold for train. Yeah.. It's so funny because you guys listening to the podcast have probably heard the train because I never tell guests to stop when they're talking because I'm like sometimes I mean especially when it's good people are dropping some good advice telling personal stories I don't want to be like stop and most of our friends they just don't stop they just you know but we always like train yeah We know to stop for the train. But anyways, so yeah, since, since Doug Darnesey's ended, a lot of us moved away. A lot of us got married, had babies, life changed, got different jobs, all the different things.

And I think throughout the past eight years, so many times people have said, you don't need to get back on TV. Are y'all going to get back on TV? I should do another show, bring Doug D down the honesty back. All the things. And we had interview after interviewer say, every interview I do, no matter what it's for. Are y'all ever gonna have a show again? And I think for the longest time, I was like, nope.

Like it was just like, no, that was really fun, but no way because it was just so crazy. And it was just a lot. And life had changed. And we had gotten like used to our new normal and what we were doing now and everyone was really passionate about what they're doing now is in like a sweet spot and it just didn't really make sense to do it again for the longest time. And I think for me like as people were talking about it I'd be like you know I feel like

which we did a show on Facebook watch we did at home with the Robertsons which is kind of a whole different thing and I think it always felt like for me, it's like, what are we going to try to kind of go recreate Dugas again? We already did that. You know, like, I'm not one to really like, look in the rearview mirror and like do something that we did again and just try to recreate something. I was like, if we're going to do it again, it has to be at a time where it feels like it's different. It's new. Like, what are we going to bring the audience into that's different? I just wasn't really, I just was like, I don't know, it just doesn't feel right to kind of try to do, do Duck Dynasty again, I guess, because it was great, it was so fun, it was a moment and it was special and there's like something special that was captured in that

moment and where all the family was at that time and, but I'm like, I don't want to just like recreate that. So that was a part of it for a long time. I think for, for But I'm like, I don't want to just recreate that. So that was a part of it for a long time. I think for me, it was just like, if we do it again, what would it be? Yeah, that was. And so several times we've had people approach us and say, hey, do you know, do you want to do a TV show? And it would be like, good offers. Like it seemed legitimate or was legitimate. And there would just be, I think, a lack of peace. It would be like good offers, like it seemed legitimate or was legitimate. And there would just be, I think, a lack of peace. It would be like, and we would maybe get excited and be like, yeah, but what would it be?

It would be the question and how would it work and all these different questions that we had. And at the end of the day, there was just not peace. Like everyone just kind of felt like, eh, I don't know. And then here recently, it really just kind of happened where all of a sudden we looked up and everyone's kind of back here. Like I live back here, me and my family. And like we just said, we record the podcast in the Duck Commander warehouse.

My team is all in West Monroe. We have an LOO sister conference in West Monroe. All of a sudden, Bella works at Duck Commander and she's crushing it and she's managing the store and she's doing such a great job at that. And then John Luke works at Duck Commander and he does all his coffee stuff out of this warehouse and all of a sudden just like, you know, Rebecca and John Reed are here and there's just like everyone was just kind of here and doing something that intertwined with each other. And around the same time as all this was happening,

we kind of got approached again about would we want to do a TV show? And it was weird because every other time that it kind of didn't make sense and there was some reason why not to, and even just fears. Honestly, for me, there's a lot of fear and we can get to that in a little bit

because the reality of reality TV is, it is hard and it is, you know, a whole nother world. And I haven't experienced that with my family, you know, like me and Christian and my girls, we haven't been on TV together. And even though we do have social media and we have all these different things where we have this public platform,

it's not like reality TV. There's just a difference in that. So I had a lot of fears around it and every time up to this point I've been like, no, I don't think I want to do that. I don't think I want our family to be on TV. And then all of a sudden I feel like a lot of my fears got taken care of, if you will. They're just process and prayer and talking to people. And then I feel like all of our question marks of what would the show be, it was just obvious because the way our lifestyle is now,

it does kind of present itself in an opportunity for a show to be around our family. And so it just kind of been like, maybe it is the time. Now I'm saying all this and you might be thinking, okay, are y'all doing a show? So we'll get to that. So we're not necessarily doing a show, but we're not necessarily not. And what I mean by that, we're all doing a show. So we'll get to that. So we're not necessarily doing a show, but we're not necessarily not. And what I mean by that is we're filming a

sizzle and that's what's going on like in our real life, real time this week. And mom, you can kind of share what a sizzle is because people who like even my friends, Lainey, Sarah and Gracie, I was like, Hey, pray for us to speak. We're filming a sizzle. They're like, what's a sizzle? So how does reality TV work? How do you go about even getting your reality TV show? What does that even look like? What does that even look like? What does that even look like?

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Message and data rates may apply available to U.S. addresses only. Okay, so, wow, that could, there's a lot of, oh, that could be a long answer, a short answer, but a sizzle ultimately is just kind of like three to six minutes, just like a little clips put together that's telling who you are, what the show's gonna be about,

and you can show it to networks to decide, okay, do they wanna pick up your show? So for Dic Dynasty, for instance, we had done a show it to networks to decide, okay, do they want to pick up your show? So for DicDynosy, for instance, we had done a show already on the outdoor channel and so we had filmed a lot. We had like three seasons that we had filmed. So we pulled all that footage and we just made it into like a little three minute sizzle. We shopped it around all the networks and then you get offers from networks and say like, hey, we'd love to have your show on our on our platform.

We'll, we'll pick up two episodes, two episode pilots, or we'll pick up a whole six-episode season or whatever. And so that's kind of how it worked for Duck Dynasty. But this time around, because we haven't been filming. I remember with Duck Dynasty, so when it was the Duck Commander Family Show on the outdoor channel, and then that was picked up by A&E,

who then later named it Duck Dynasty. But I remember being at Winterfest, which is so cool because I speak at these things now, like Winter Jam, Winterfest with the youth group that I was in. And I remember you called us when I was at Winterfest and said, A&E picked up Duck Dynasty. And I told everyone, like, A&E picked up Duck Dynasty.

We didn't even know what that meant. Like, we did not have any reference to what that meant. At the time, we were like, A&E picked up Doug Diney. We didn't even know what that meant. Like we did not have any reference to what that meant. At the time we were like, we're on TV, we're on the outdoor channel. Like I did not realize that A&E picking up Doug Diney was gonna be such a life change for us. I did not realize that. Interestingly, we got offers from several other networks,

but A&E felt like the right fit. A&E's audience at the time was like 50-50, like men, women. And we knew our show was a family show, it was gonna appeal to everybody. And so some of the other networks didn't feel quite right. I remember I wanted us to be on TLC because I love like, what not to wear and say us to the dress. I was like, oh my gosh, we might be on TLC.

You could film TLC. That's amazing. Yeah, so this time around, we really kind of were like, we need to film something because everything's so different. around, we really kind of were like, we need to film something because everything's so different. We don't really have like a sizzle. So yeah, film crew's coming down and we're going to film just a few days of our family like interviews and shots and a little story line to see, to kind of show like where we are right now and what's happening in our lives and then see what happens. Like this is totally, I just, I think for our family,

I think we're pretty used to just holding things loosely. Like you have to. If it's for you, if it's gonna be good for the kingdom, if it's good for our family, then let it be. If not, then it's fine. Like we're happy, we're satisfied, we're content, we're in a great place. And so like if it's there, we will step through that door.

If you open it, we will step through it. But if you don't want this far family, then close the door and we're totally fine. And we'll go do whatever else you have for us. Yeah. And honestly, that's been the story of the past few years too. Because there was one other time over the past eight years that someone came and said, you know, we should do a show with y'all and we were like I feel like there wasn't full peace and no one really knew exactly what's gonna be but it was like okay maybe you know let's try and we did the sizzle and it

ended up really not going through like it didn't get picked up and and I remember what was interesting that time is it kind of felt like a relief that it wasn't picked up. Everyone was like, I'm actually so glad. Like no one felt right about it. And this time, again, it's open-handed. It could get picked up. It might not be picked up, but I think one of the lessons that I've learned through just

DuckDiancy and TV in general is like you said, like hold it loosely. And I remember you told us with DuckDiancy all all the time we were fine before we'd be fine after and I think that was so good because my identity never got wrapped up in Duck Dynasty. In fact, I did not like when other people put that on me like people are like are you that Duck Dynasty girl like for years and I'd be like no I would just say no. Yeah. I'd be like are you that girlfriend that doesn't know? That's my name. Sadie you know and I was maybe a little bit too sensitive to not wrapping my identity around that I would just say no. I'd be like, are you that girlfriend that doesn't know? That's funny. Sadie, you know? And I was maybe a little bit too sensitive to not wrapping my identity around that.

But it was just a reminder to me of like, that's not who I am because that can be taken away. And who I am is not going to be wrapped into something that can be taken away. And even if you're not on reality TV, that's just a life lesson in general. Yeah. Whatever your job is, whatever your status is, whatever your sport is you play or whatever it is, it's like if your identity gets wrapped into something that can be taken away or will one day in.

Or whether or not you have money or fame or success or whatever, your identity cannot be in that because those are things that could come and go. It's fleeting. It can be so up and down. And I think Dan Smith of the Stars taught me that because week by week, there's like such different reactions from people.

I was like, man, if I live on the roller coaster of life's successes or failures, I'm gonna be an emotional wreck. I gotta just like stay more solid than this. True. Another thing as we were talking about, one thing I give is when people ask like business advice be an emotional wreck. So like, I gotta just like stay more solid than this. That's true. Another thing, as we were talking about, one thing I give is when people ask like business advice or whatever, I think about, I think one thing I learn

from our families, because both of our families come from family businesses, my family and Willie's family and now we're passing down this family business mentality is I think two things when you come into like any business or whatever you're doing, entrepreneurship or whatever, it's like you have to have this kind of equal measures of like contentment and ability to take a risk. Like you got to be able to be like I'm content, I'm fine, if like this happens or doesn't happen or if I succeed or I fail I'm gonna be content within it and

also just know that like it's okay to take a risk, it's okay to succeed, it's okay to fail. And like I'm going to get back up and I'm going to keep going. So I think those are two kind of principles that we as a family try to live by like be content in whatever circumstance that you're in, but also not be afraid to take a risk. That's good. I love that. Well, that's good girl. Okay, I want to ask you like some more specifics about reality TV in general, because it was your idea for our family to do a reality TV show. Why did you think the Robertson family had it in them?

Because we were joking the other day. We were like, when someone tells you, oh, you would do so good on reality TV, you almost have to question, wait, does that mean I'm a little bit crazy? Is that a compliment? Is that a compliment? Oh, because you were like, no, the Robertson family should be on TV. So how did that even go about you getting, you helping the process of the Robertson's being on TV?

Yeah. So it went really literally like this. So I had, I mean, I married dad when I was 18 years old. So I had been in the Robertson family, you know, more of my life than I. I was like 40 by this time whenever this all started for us as far as reality TV. But I, um, I could still see that the Robertson family is not totally normal. You know, and so I literally said to dad, I was like, you know, I think we could do reality

TV and he was like, what, why would, why would anybody watch that? And I was like, y'all weren't normal. Like that's pretty much how it went. But really it was, I had watched, I was watching American Chopper, which I don't even know if your audience- I thought it was a G-Semons- I love G-Semons- Family Joules as well.

They were on A&E, which is why one of the reasons we chose A&E because that show was on A&E. But there was a show called American Chopper that was like a motorcycle show about like a dad and his sons making motorcycles. I'm like, why do people watch this show? Like, I don't, why am I watching the show? I don't like motorcycles, but it was a family and like there's this kind of family atmosphere around it. So, and I was like, we have a family business. We make duck calls, which is kind of odd or unique, I guess. And, you know, Uncle Si's odd and unique. And no one knew he was going to be the breakout star.

The breakout star. No. That was not necessarily foreshadowed. This is probably a little known fact about me. So I actually, I thought, you know, hey, I think we could do this. And also I was like, we might sell more duck calls if we do the show. It's a good advertisement for our company or whatever. And so I actually wrote TLC. I looked up the production companies that produced some of those shows that we watched on TLC.

You might not even know that. And I wrote an email. Just cold email them and was like, hey, here's a little bit about our family. I think there might be something interesting here, whatever, got zero response whatsoever. Obviously my email was not that engaging because no one responded. Got no response. And then the next year, we were partnered

with a company called Benelli and they came to us and were like, Hey, we think we have this idea. We think we should do a show with your family and we'll fund it and we'll produce it ourselves and house and all this. And I was like, this is it. I thought that we had something. So we did that show for a little while on Outdoor Channel, which is a small network. And then that got noticed. And then that's how we ended up on A&M. That's crazy. Okay, that is really cool. I know you're mine because I know you. You are more of a business-minded person. So I know you were thinking this would be fun to do with our family and your family really is hilarious. But also you were thinking it from the business side, which was really smart because how many duck calls did it's like it was insane.

It was insane. Yes. Like how much it tripled or quadrupled or whatever. Because no one cared about getting a duck call unless you were a duck hunter. But after a duck dynasty, everybody wanted to have a duck call. And there are only so many duck hunters in America, so you're like, our audience is limited to how many duck calls we could sell, but I was like, if we go on TV, then maybe. And so really, yeah, I always, I love to say, like I wish I had some bigger motive,

but it's actually like, I was like, hey, we could sell a lot of duck calls if we do this. But then I will say, when we did it for Alder Channel, that was a big part of it was like, hey, this is a great ad for our company. People kind of see our company, see what we do. And, um, and you know, maybe they'll buy more duck calls. But then once we got picked up by any, I think that's when I can, the whole family realized like, oh, this is like, we have a chance to like make an impact on people's lives. We have a chance to actually show a family that loves Jesus, that follows God, that wants, you know, that loves one another, that tries to love God and love our neighbor and do all these things and

actually be on a national television show, you know, or international television show. It was in over a hundred countries at one point. So, yeah, whenever we got picked about A&E, I think that was when it kind of shifted in all of our minds. We went into it really prayerfully because we also knew the risk, you know, people would come up to us and be like, oh, you know what happens when kids get on reality TV, they end up on drugs and you end up to get divorced. And there was this whole like fear of it that, you know, I just really felt like, oh no, God is in us, he's with us.

If he opens a store for us, he will be there for us. And we went into it with a lot of prayer of like, hey, God, be with our family. We said from day one, if this is not good for us, take it away. You know, if this is not good for you, if it does not bring any glory, then don't do it. So that was a point when we really did kind of realize the impact that it could have.

Yeah, that's so good. I remember y'all praying that. I remember y'all bringing us into those conversations and I feel like I didn't even realize I probably got this from that, but I always pray when I'm about to step into something, God God if this is you giving green lights all the way If it's not you give me a red light and I'll trust you like yeah if it's stop it's stop Yeah, like stop it. I'll stop it if it needs to be stopped red light. Yeah, like I don't need no yellow Yeah, no just green red, you know If you happen to follow my grandma on Instagram, you know she takes a million pictures of all of our kids.

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That's about it. I was gonna talk to you about that, too. Yeah, I was gonna say, this is actually gonna get into our messy conversation because I'm like, this is kind of a messy conversation. Because when I was doing Dance with the Stars, when I was about to do Dance with the Stars, like, shockingly, a lot of Christians

have this fear-based mindset when it comes to stepping into things like reality TV, because you're like, you're gonna let your kids be in the entertainment business. You're gonna go to Hollywood. And I think we got more backlash than maybe we expected, not even backlash, but like hesitation when it comes to like Rally TV or even of course, yes, with the stars and different things like that, which this could be even a broader conversation. But first I'll just, I want you to go into that because that was

something that I remember you really wrestled more with me going into the stars than you did with y'all, everyone doing Diedinasty. Because with Diedinasty we were all grounded together. It was like, hey, we're in this together. No one gets the big head. Remember while we're doing this, we're doing this for Jesus. If people see a family who loves the Lord on TV, how amazing that would be. We can be a light. But then whenever it was me going to Dancing with the Stars, it was a little bit scary because it was you were sending me off as like an individual and not as like the whole Robertson family. Yeah, that definitely felt scarier because there is a safety in like, hey, we're doing it

all together. We're here. We're in our hometown. You know, that felt a little bit more secure. But yes, I mean, you were, you barely 17. I was 16. No, I was 16 when I did the interview. I was 17 when the show started. When the show started, yes. So you were barely 17 whenever you're going off to LA, you know, and really my mom went with me, too. My mom went with me because we were filming a show.

So I was flying back and forth. Dad was flying back and forth like every week. We'd take the red eye to get back out there to see for the weekend and everything. But we had, you know, kids here at home. So there was a lot happening. And yeah, I wrestled with that. I was like, okay, is this the right thing? And I'll never forget. So we went out. It was kind of one of those like got open the door. If you want it to be open and close it, if if not and so when we went out there to do the interview is like all right this this this door might open let's take it for what it is and then that had to be the Lord too because that was the worst interview of my entire life I truly my

God you did that because remember after you were like yeah you kind of blew it like you were like being sweet but you're of blew it. Like you were like being sweet, but you're like, so you didn't even talk. I was like, I just got so nervous. I looked at you for every answer. What happened was, I was so nervous. I felt kind of bad about it because I was in the room and like you were, you were young. So what happened was they would ask Sadie a question and then she'd look to me to answer. And they asked her question and then she looked at me to answer.

And I was like, wait, you're supposed to be talking here. You're not me. I know. Totally chicken bell. Anyway, afterwards, I was like, well, whatever. If it's supposed to be, it is. If it's not, it's not. And so I remember that whole summer,

like, I would call our agent about something else or whatever, and I'd say, hey, no pressure. Do not, you don't even need to ask about it, but school starting and we do kind of have to plan Sadie's school and try to figure out is she going to be on it. So the stars, because, but no pressure. I want you to know that we are not pressuring in any way. I remember being like that because I did not want to, I didn't want to push this door open. I wanted God to just open it or close it.

It did not, it was not coming for me to push it open at all. And I was, I was nervous for you. And I remember, you know, all of my like bravado, I guess whenever we started the show, we were like, we're not supposed to have a spirit of fear. We're supposed to be spirit of power. And we had the Holy Spirit with us and all this.

And then I'm like, oh, I'm sitting in my 17 year old LA. Maybe I'm a little, I have a little fear about that. And I remember, you know, we told this before on this, if you haven't heard this before, but I remember a really wise woman who is a woman of God said to me, she said, you need to tell Sadie, do not be afraid. The spirit of God is in her. He is going with her. And she was like, the devil's the one who needs to be scared because she's about to win a victory for Christ in Hollywood on this, on that dance floor. So that was a really special moment and every matter to me. But like, look, we're not called to be

scared as believers as Christians, we're called to go into those places and be a light. Yeah, so good. And you were. You were a light. Well, it was cool because several of the judges said, comments, like, you're such a light, you're such a light. And I remember that was such like affirmation to me that I was in the right place at the right time.

And I'm so glad I did that. It was wild and it was crazy, but it was amazing. So question on the messier conversation side of this, which is like I said, is not necessarily a messy conversation. We don't have our Bibles out. We're not diving in. But what do you think about reality TV as far as Christians going on shows like The Bachelor, Love is Blind, all these different things. And we have friends who have been on The Bachelor and who have had good success from that show as far as their platform growing. But when people are approaching something like a reality TV show, what's the advice

that you would give them as believers going into situations like that? And is there discernment to be had between going on like Survivor or going on The Bachelor or going on Amazing Race or doing something like that? Because I think that the reason why people were saying, don't go to the stars is because they felt like it's such a sexual show sometimes because of the outfits that they wear and the moves that they do. And people were worried that I was going to go present myself in such a way that didn't represent me. Yeah.

And so I think that there is like discernment. But what are your advice to people pondering going on a show like that? That's a good question. Usually I say, go for it. We need more people who are believers in entertainment in that space. I mean, I think we are like really naive if we try to pretend like entertainment

is not shaping our culture because it is like the amount of time people are spending consuming entertainment and it shapes us like everything we watch shapes us and there is a real agenda. You know, there is, there are trying to shape us in one way or another. And I think that storytelling is powerful and it moves, it moves the culture. And most of what you see out there is not, you know, the morals that a lot of us as believers try to live by. It's just not. And so I think the more we see that on television, I think is important and really matters. Now, depending on what space you're in, that's the hard part. I mean, we've had this

conversation recently like about TikTok. I'm like, oh, I just think TikTok is so bad. It's moving people and it is shaping our culture and there's no doubt about it. It's shaping how people think and how people feel. And so I'm like, okay, do we go there and we're on TikTok because we're trying to be a light in that darkness or do we not even go there because we're saying, get off a TikTok, stop being influenced in that way. And that's a hard question. I think that's something that everyone has to wrestle with within themselves. I mean, you look at shows like The Bachelor and like, how is that, is that harming us as a society

and how we date and how we approach love and all that. And you could make a very strong case that, yes, it is. But then also you could say oh But can we go on that show and as a believer if all are of Christ try to say okay? How do we live differently and show and be the aroma of Christ the sweet aroma Christ that draws people to Want to know more about Jesus could we do that in that space too? And I think you can so absolutely and I think you have to like know yourself I think yeah can. So absolutely. And I think you have to like know yourself. I think Maddie Pruitt-Trout did a great job with that of like not letting something shape you, but you helping shape it.

You know, like when you go in knowing that you're confident enough to be fully you and stand with your morals and stand who you are in a space that is representing things that are other than what you stand for and believe. So you have to know yourself and use discernment in that and like ask yourself your motive for going on whatever show you're going to go on, you know, and if the Lord opens it and He opens it and you feel full peace and do it. But if you don't trust that God has something else, even if you're going to decline something that could be a big opportunity, but being confident enough to decline it, if you need

to and confident enough to say yes, if you you need to depending on what that looks like. But I think too I would love to talk to you about shaping culture and not letting it shape you because we were talking the other day about how someone I think it was Jordan B. Peterson was talking to you which was such a flex. I mean Jordan B. Peterson was talking to you casual. I don't know who Jordan B. Peterson is. You really need to go follow him. I think he is, he's had such an impact. It's obviously like millions of people follow him and listen to him, but he's such an impact.

He points people to the Bible and to God's Word. And he began, I actually think when he started being in the spotlight, he didn't even really necessarily believe in God. And he has, you've just, you've seen him transform. And he's pointed so many people to the Word of God as truth and as something that has shaped our culture because the Bible has shaped our culture as Western civilization more than anything else. And I think a lot of people, even Christians don't really realize or understand that. And because he comes from like a psychologist perspective,

he comes from a kind of a different perspective. He just illuminates that in a different way. So side conversation about Jordan Peterson. Mom can high-five Jordan Peterson anytime of the day. But anyways, you love him and respect him and admire him because he has helped shape culture so much and just he's provoked so many great thoughts for you and just I think has influenced you

in so many great ways and so many people. When you look him up, he's huge. Like he has millions of followers and is just doing incredible things and sparking incredible conversations. But you all got to be on his podcast, which was amazing. And he asked you something about Duck Dynasty, and you said something along the lines of they asked you to do this and I didn't do it because dot, dot, dot.

And then you look back at the episode and you were like, oh my gosh, I did do that. Like in your mind, you thought you were like, I did not do that, but you did. And so talk a little bit about that wrestle of being on a show and being pushed a little bit to do something that might not feel like you and those decisions, big or small, to conform to making a show. Because this is where reality TV, it is reality, but it's also not reality and the stickiness of that. Friends, you probably know this already, but I'll say it again.

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oh, we should go talk about this on, you know, in front of you guys because it's one of these conversations we're having behind the scenes and amongst ourselves. And he's like, we should have this conversation in public. But so season one of Dugnownesty. So we get the show and everything in reality TV up to, I mean, truthfully, really up to what we did. It was all about the drama, you know, all about the fights, all about like who's, you know, you've got real housewives is kind of an example of it or whatever. It's like the conflict is what makes the show. And we came in and

we were like, no, that's really not who we are. It's not what we're going to be about. Yes, obviously there's conflict. We have a big family. We all, we disagree. Yes. And we fight and we do and that's part of it. And so, but we didn't want to create this show about our family that's all about drama and conflict. And so I remember there's an episode that we, that we shot and I was talking about this on Jordan Peterson's because I remembered just being so conflicted in that first season feeling like, okay, how am I being portrayed because I'm playing myself. I'm myself on the television show, so I have to be myself, but also we're making a TV show, you know? So that's another

piece of it. So there's a scene where Willie and Jace, Dad and Jace, Willie and Jace had skipped out on going to Career Day at school or whatever. And they went golfing instead of doing what they told us they were going to do. So they come back in, Missy and I are sitting in the living room with feeling K, and the directors wanted us to just lay in to Willie and Jace about the fact that they had missed it. And I remember just being so conflicted about it because I'm like, we would not like

gripe out our husbands in front of their parents. Neither would our husbands gripe us out in front of our parents. So this isn't just like, gripe out our husbands in front of their parents. Neither would our husbands gripe us out in front of our parents. So this isn't just like, you know, like, it's like, that's just not like the way we would do it. And so I remember just being so conflicted about it and so bothered by it. And we were just argued with, like, the director of the show and, you know, like, oh, we're just not gonna do that.

I just feel, and so I was telling Jordan Peterson how we really had to fight through that. And I remember y'all as kids, because they wanted y'all to be disrespectful to us or things like that sometimes. I remember one of our first scenes, Pebbleville said, pick up sticks. Yeah.

And they said, did tell him no. And I was like, you tell that man no. Did you strike up a side deal and tell him not to get us in trouble? Because there ain't no way I'm going to tell him no when he tells me to pick up sex. Yes, because that was kind of the narrative. It was like teens or kids think their parents are idiots and roll their eyes and don't want to work.

And we were like, no, we're not. It's like, no. No. No. If Popop Hill tells you to do something, you're going to do it. Right, exactly. That would be a yes, sir. Exactly, yes.

And so we were, I remember feeling so conflicted about it and arguing about it and being like, we're just not doing that. And so I talked about that on Jordan Peterson. I said, we're, you know, we just said, no, we're not doing it. Then I went back and pulled up that episode and I was like, I did do it. And I didn't even realize I had done it because I was so, I remember just feeling so bothered by it. And then we, we shot another scene actually that night where Willie dad, I'm talking to say to you, so I keep wanting to say dad, but Willie walks into the house and I, you know, gripe him out about skipping career

day, which is more typical for what would have happened, you know, like, I would have saved it for private when they done it in front of his mom and dad. And so neither would he have griped me on in front of mom and dad either. And so that was kind of what I remembered about it, that we had done that. But when you go back and you see that saying, you're like, Oh, Missy and I were like, so mad at it. But I remember being really bothered by that. Yeah.

And we were talking about that because I think sometimes, you know, you, when it comes to even social media and all these different things, there's this tendency to want to like conform to what works or to, I guess Romans, it says in Romans like conform to the pattern of this world but it actually says do not conform to the pattern of this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve the will of God and I think that there is such a it's not even like a desire. It's just a natural thing that you conform to the pattern of the world. Like you conform to there being conflict, you conform to being pattern of the world. Like you conform to their being conflict.

You conform to being a filtered picture of reality. You conform to just like, okay, we'll just do it. Doesn't matter. But the problem is when you conform, then that's what people see it as and that becomes like the reality of the situation when that was not what you were feeling or experiencing. And then you look back and you're like, wait, that was not even me because you don't remember it for what happened. You remember it for how you felt in the moment of it.

And I did this whole caption on Instagram the other day about how everyone has 24 seven, right? And our 24 seven reality is going to carry so much more than a photo can on Instagram or than a caption can in this moment or than a podcast can or than a TV show can. And so I think that's why like you always have to give people grace and also understand at the end of the day whether you look up to a celebrity or an influencer or even just a friend from afar on social media, you have to leave room in your heart to know that you don't see the full picture.

And I think that so many times in life, we don't leave the space for that. And so you make this judgment off of a moment, or you make this judgment off of what you perceived, but you have to understand there's so much more behind the scenes. And I was telling mom, because mom felt really bad for saying that

on Jordan Peterson, because she was like, what if they look back and they pull up that scene and then it's not really what I did. And I was like, man, there's so much grace for the journey of that because I remember like one thing that I've wrestled with is that whenever I talk about now, I'll be like, oh man, like Dancing with the Stars was such a hard season in my life. And then I felt bad for saying that because I'm like, man, I don't want the producers to think I didn't love it because I did love it. And I don't want, and then people are gonna be like,

well, you look happy, look at all these interviews and you're smiling and even I look back and I'm like, yes, I see that. But what people didn't see behind the scenes that had nothing to do with dancing with the stars or the show and nothing to do with anything that people were seeing was my own personal struggles that I was going through as an individual that only my closest friends and family and

not even them knew because I wasn't even sharing and I wasn't even talking, even you. You were like, what? You were. And I was like, no, you forgot or I didn't tell you that this is what I was wrestling with personally. And so, you know, that's why you hear these things about celebrities years later, like, oh, I was so isolated. And you're like, that was whenever you were at like the height of your game. That was when you were like, you know, in all those movies. But I think it's just, you know, understanding

that you can know of someone and you can cheer them on and you can have a perspective. But like, at the end of the day, like, we all have to carry that space for grace and empathy to know, like, you don't see the full picture. And that was just kind of like a conversation we were having the other day. So even as we go into another reality, potentially TV show, we're going to do the best we can to display who our family is and represent Christ and do everything so authentically to who we are. But even that will never capture the fullness of something. And that's not what entertainment's meant to do.

It's meant to tell stories, but not, you know, give over your whole life. Yeah. Okay. You said so much in that I feel like there's a lot that I wanted to comment on. I hope I remember it all. But one, I do remember during that time period because our lives were so busy and so full and you've talked about this at times too. But there is a loneliness that comes with it as well because you are doing something that's different than kind of the other

people around you. And also, you're very recognized, so you're not able to just kind of be in a crowd. And I remember, like we would go, we travel somewhere or whatever, and we would just order room service because we couldn't be down in the restaurant because are we couldn't, you couldn't go to a concert and be in the crowd or you couldn't, because it's just life is different and it, and it changed. It's not like to complain about it. It's just that that's how it is. And there is kind of a loneliness that comes with it.

I remember looking at other people who especially like young kind of celebrities and having a role like heart for them and being kind of understanding differently what they're going through and the loneliness that you are you are you just can't be with the crowd and I remember after Biber that song Lonely I was remember crying so much. I was like, whoa. Like he articulated exactly what it feels like, but also like crying for what I experienced, what other people experienced,

but I'm like, he's on another level. I don't even understand that. Like I've had a glimpse and it was hard. And so that's what I mean. But like it's made me look at people so differently. Taylor Swift, like you hear like, oh, she emptied a restaurant so she could have dinner. And you're like, oh, what a privilege.

You get to empty a restaurant, but no, it's like you have to empty a restaurant so you can have dinner. Like that's, there's a loneliness that kind of comes with that. I remember after the show was over and things that kind of died down a little bit and I did the half marathon. And I remember being in a crowd, there was like, I don't know how many people were in

the half marathon. I think it was like, I want to say like 60,000 but that sounds wrong. It was a lot. It was a huge crowd of people. And I remember thinking, this is so fun to just get to be in a crowd of people, which is weird because you would think, oh, you're in crowds of people all the time, but there is something that's different about it. So I think that is something that gave me a new perspective for that. And then the other thing I was thinking of as you were talking is when we did At Home

with the Robertson. So that was a show that we did on Facebook Watch, and it was really about bringing people into our house that think differently than us, you know? And sitting down and having a conversation because I think that was a time, we filmed that, a lot of that in 2020 and 2021. It was a time when our world just felt like you can't talk to anybody that doesn't think exactly like you. Like if I disagree with you, I just like shut you off

and like unfollow you and all that. And we really wanted to kind of show this like, hey, look, we can all, we can disagree and still love each other. We can disagree and still be hospitable. So how people in our home and still have conversations. And I remember what that showed me so much. And I was already felt this way, but even more so because some of the people we had on, if you look at their social media profile,

you would be like, whoa, they are like out there. Like they are opinionated, they are all this one way, they are this, you could form a judgment about that person, just look at their social media profile. Then they came to our home and we sit and have conversations and we loved each other and we got along and we had all these things in common. And then the cameras would be would finish rolling because we'd film us finish filming and then they'd stay at our house and eat dinner with us and stay till midnight. Well, we talked, but you're like, if you just looked at their social media and you contrasted theirs with ours, you would be like, oh, they will never be friends.

Yeah. contrasted theirs with ours, you would be like, oh, they will never be friends. And so I think that's another thing is like, just viewing people and pun the public eye or not, you know, yeah, as people and also as not just judge people by, you know, their Instagram buyer or their Instagram profile. Or decisions they make or all the different things, like what they do with their career, their life,

because you just never know. I remember one time we were with a group of friends and we happened to be in the same place that Selena Gomez was at. And I remember one of my friends was like, oh, Selena Gomez. And I got so mad at them. I was like, you know better. Do not.

No, like no. And it was like because I just felt like we were in a space where she was supposed to be able to feel normal and like herself. And even in those spaces, I'm like, my friend is like, you know, and I like, I like, I get it. I get you're excited to see this person. But like, she doesn't need anyone here to make her feel like anyone other than Selena Gomez. Like she's like a person. And like if we wanna go get to know her, then we can go say, hey, like it's good to see you.

I love what you're doing in the world. Like just be normal. Ask her what she's doing here. Like, but I just, I got so sensitive about it because I'm like, don't make someone feel like that. You know? Okay. Do you, I can't believe, I think,

I thought this is what I thought you were gonna tell about when Tupapa, when we were at a restaurant. Okay, remember we were at the restaurant? This was when you were doing Dates with the Stars. We were at a restaurant and Justin Bieber comes in with his like bodyguards. He was actually Justin Bieber's thing to go mess. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. He came in to the restaurant and to pop up, my dad goes, that's the beads.

He said the beads. He said that's the beads. I forgot about that. And he said it so loud and I was so embarrassed. I gave him this look. I was like, zip it. You're like, you. Seriously.

Don't do that. Like there are normal people. They need to eat dinner. Like do not do that. Yes. And I get it. Look, when I was on Family Feud and Steve Harvey walked out and I'm here, I started crying. Okay. I couldn't even talk to Steve. I was so overwhelmed by his presence. So I get it, I get it. There is a starstruck factor. You respect these people, you love these people. But I think like when I see them in like anyone who's a celebrity in a setting where clearly

they're already in a space that, cause where we were at this point, there's a crowd out there and we're all trying to be normal. And then I'm like, back here, like you gotta treat people like they're people because that's where that loneliness comes from. Really, even in the private space, I can't be myself. You know, I can't be, you know, just who I am.

And, you know, I love, was it Dylan or Cole Sprouse, who has the Instagram where he takes pictures of people taking pictures of him. Oh yeah. And it's such a weird thing. Like you see, you always see it, okay? You always see it. Cole Sprouse who has the Instagram where he takes pictures of people taking pictures of him. Oh yeah. That's such a weird thing. It's funny. You always see it.

You always see it. It is just funny. So he just makes fun of it. But yeah, people are people. I think it's Julia Roberts that Instagram bio is human. And hey, just know I'm a human. It just is what it is. I love one of my favorite quotes is Mr. Rogers. Fame is just a four-letter word, like tape or zoom or face,

but ultimately it only matters what you do with it. And I love that because the question people ask is like, when people are taking pictures of me in public, and they'll say, are you famous? And I'm like, famous is some, not to others, clearly not to you, you know? Because what is fame? Like, they take a shirt because they know me,

but if you don't, then am I? I don't know. Like it really just matters what you do with it, what you do with your influence. And so I guess we just wanted to have a conversation about reality TV because we might be going back into it. And we wanted to bring you all into the reality of where we're at in life and what we're processing through

and discerning through. I mean, we mentioned there was all kinds of fears that went into it too that we've been processing through and discerning through. And even when we were talking about the loneliness and that I was like making me have tears in my eyes because that's the thing I don't want for my kids. You know, I'm like, I want them to go to school.

I want them to have friends. Like I just want them to have people and I don't want them to look at them like they're anything other than who they are because they're great and I just don't want it to put that on their back. But at the same time, I would not be where I'm at and doing the things I'm doing and have the influence that I've been able to be if I, if you didn't like say yes to that and Trust God that if he was gonna open the door, he was gonna curious and sustain us and I know God did that for me and you as my mom trusted God in me to do that

And I as their mom can trust God in them to do what he's gonna do through them and our family And I love like the first time I spoke at passion and I was so scared. And, um, Lou and Shelly never asked me what I was speaking on, which I thought was slightly crazy because I'm like, you're just going to trust me as like a 22 year old to get on the stage and preach and y'all don't even know what I'm saying. And so I asked Shelly was like, are you nervous about me? Like I'm like, ask her and she said, Sadie, I don't, I'm not putting you up there

because I trust you, I trust God in you. And I remember thinking, that's cool. Like, that's really cool. And you trusted God in me to do Dance with the Stars. And you trusted God in me to sustain me through Rally TV. And you trusted God in me to, to get married and do all the normal life things that I've done. And so like, as their

mom, I'm trusting God in them to do that same thing that he's done for me and just carry them through and comfort them through and empower them through. And it's going to be exciting to see what he does through our family. And that's just my personal things going through as an individual processing what a show for our family would be like. But it's cool to even reminisce on all this and see what God's done. Yeah, that's so good. That's going to be emotional thinking about that.

But it's so true. I think I was thinking of, I keep saying, oh, this isn't a messy conversation because it didn't mean to be a messy conversation. But it kind of is because us kind of processing this in front of cameras and people like watching it, it's hard because you don't want to talk about it. Like, we're so grateful for everyone who watched our show and how much they love our family and support our family and the prayers. I mean, honestly, like the prayers of people just come up to us and say, oh, I pray for your family are the people. And so that's the thing it's like,

when you process, you don't wanna be like, oh, this is so hard or this is this because you want people to understand that like, we're so grateful. Yeah. What a privilege this is. You've, you said in the prayer, before the camera started rolling,

we had a prayer and Sadie said, we don't ever take a grant for granted. We don't wanna ever take for granted that we are getting a- A single podcast. A single podcast. Any opportunity yet to talk to people? That we're, yeah, that people are listening

to what people care about, what we say. People are listening to us, that we have a chance to impact you guys with something that God has taught us, that we have been brought, that God has brought us through. Like, we don't ever, ever, ever want to take that for granted or to take that lightly or to make that seem like

this is so hard on us or so bad or whatever. So that's why I think this is kind of a messy conversation because you want to say like, hey, we are so grateful that you guys like follow along with our family. We're so grateful that people say like put in the comments, are y'all ever gonna do another show? We wanna see your family.

We're so grateful that y'all watched our like, what we said, I was like really great home movies. We got a great film crew filming our kids lives as you guys grew up. So we're so grateful for all that. But I think, you know, like everything in life, everything you do has positives and negatives, have things that are hard about it,

that are easy about it or whatever. The older I've gotten in my 26 years, I realized that almost everything in life can be bittersweet. Like there's always gonna be a little bit of a bitterside and there's always going to be a really sweet side to it. Every season is the same way. Transitions are the same way.

It's bittersweet. I think if you can learn to lean into it and be okay with even the bitter parts and accept and be grateful for the sweet parts, that's where you really get to see God in fullness. Because God is a God who says that we comfort people. Like God comforts us, like in all God's comfort and God comforts those who mourn and He rejoices with those who rejoice and He dances with those.

Like it's like both, you know, like more to those who mourn, He rejoices with those who rejoice. We're called to do the same thing. So like in life, you take everything that life throws at you and you let God comfort you through it, you let God be with you in those hard,

those bitter times, you let God be with you in those sweet times. You're grateful for him and gratitude for all the things he's given you. And so we're stepping into potentially a new season and maybe we're not. And maybe we just did this whole podcast and you'll never hear another word of us going on TV again.

And we held it all loosely and we're like, we tried. Or you'll see us on TV and that would be fun too. But I think also just our ask now for you all is that you would pray for our family. You know, I know that a lot of you guys have wanted our family to go back on TV and just pray that if that's the door that we're going to walk into that God would open it. And if we do, we need prayer warriors as we step into TV. And the thing that made Duck Dynasty what it was, was the ones who watched it, you know?

It was the people who watched it and supported it and loved it and prayed with us and got their families together around the dinner table at night to be with their family cause they were inspired by what they saw on the show. Like, that's what made it so amazing. Yeah, I always say, I think the success of our show really said less about us and how great we are, whatever, and more about the fact that people were yearning for a show that's just like positive

and joyful and they had a prayer at the end. And that guy thanks to God for like the frog legs on our table or the squirrel or whatever we had on our table. That would not be coming to this show. Not the squirrel or whatever we had on our table. That would not be coming to this show. Not the squirrel rights. OK, wants to come eat those. But yeah, I think that it said more about what just people want. And they want to see more things that are positive and hopeful.

And so hopefully we can provide that maybe through a show. But if it's not through that, it's right here on the podcast. Our more films that we make are through whatever we do. Yep. Taking it back to Jordan Peterson as you were talking there at the end. Jordan Peterson talks a lot about like the grand adventure

that that's what life is. Like we're called to this great adventure and he talks about Abraham. Cause Abraham was like 90 whenever he basically embarked on his grand adventure. And so it's never too late. There's never time whenever like, oh, you missed it. You missed your chance to like go on the grand adventure

that God has for your life. It's always there and available to you to just say yes. It's great. Never be afraid to reinvent yourself. That's okay. Dash, Willie Robertson. That was so good. Well, we love you guys and we'll let you know what happens.

So tuned for the journey.