WHOA That's Good Podcast - Influencer Life: It's OK for People to Be Wrong About You | Sadie Robertson Huff | Matt & Abby Howard

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

Sadie is delighted to welcome TikTok & YouTube stars Matt & Abby Howard on the podcast. Matt and Abby share how they first met and started dating and how their wedding video played a BIG part in where they are today with an audience of millions. Then they talk about dating and wonder where has all the fun and thoughtfulness gone? And Sadie, Matt and Abby get honest about influencer life: the highs, the lows, and how to be okay with criticism.  https://liberty.edu/Sadie — Get your application fee WAIVED when you start your future with Liberty University today! https://www.audible.com/whoa — New members try Audible FREE for 30 days Or text WHOA to 500-500 to try Audible FREE! Get 25% OFF your Abide premium subscription! But ONLY if you text Sadie to 22433. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that we finally have Matt and Abby on the podcast. Welcome to the world. That's good podcast. Yay! Thanks for having us. This is so exciting. Yeah, honored to be here. Hey, it is so exciting for me. It truly, we've had so many people request that y'all come on and then we did this little like, ooh, look who's coming up and everyone's like, met in a heavy, so I'm so thrilled.

Everyone's gonna be pumped to get to here for me all and I'm excited to just get to know you guys because we've never met. Yeah, this will be really fun. Yeah, super excited. So fun. Okay, so before we jump in and get to know each other, I gotta ask you the question that everyone gets asked

on their first home on this podcast. And that is kind of an intimidating question. It's kind of big to just drop on at the very beginning. But what is the best piece of advice that YouTube have ever been given? Do you want me to take it out for? I feel like we've got different ones. Yeah, I think we do. I think for me, it's to enjoy the process and fall in love with the process for anything because I think yeah, I a lot of like, I feel like we're both goal oriented people and it's like you almost like delay your happiness

till you achieve that goal, but through like falling in love with the process, like every day can become just like fulfilling and happy and not just focused on that one. Like, I don't know. Not that goals aren't important, but falling in love with the process has made achieving my goals way more enjoyable and possible.

Yes, I love that. I feel lame. Oh, yeah, it's funny. Mine's like literally the same as Abby's, because somebody, yeah, well, somebody on a wedding day, it told me they're like, just fully live in this moment and enjoy it. And on my wedding day, I did that,

but my whole life, I've lived looking forward to the future because I'm so, I'm always excited from the next day, and I'm always excited for marriage, and then kids and buying a house, and always looking forward to things in the future. And then I've ignored being present in the moment. So that's something that I'm still trying to work on today, but yeah, I think that kind of goes right along

with enjoying the process. Come on, I love that. You don right along with enjoying the process. Come on. I love that. You don't even plan that. And it was like, so perfect. But that's such good advice, honestly, because so many people do live like that. It's like, they withhold, like you said, their happiness until their goal is achieved. But the process is life.

Like, the process is a huge part of your life. You're going to spend way more time in the process than the achievement of it. And so you might as well make those days count and make those days something that, you know, you make the memories from, because I can think about the process of getting to places I've gone. And it's normally actually in the process

that you have some of the best memories. We were actually just talking the other day about how many funny stories we have in the airport Which is kind of like a good point to say the trips are memorable the trips are fun But on the way there you have such fun memories as well, and that's part of it I was actually just watching a video of you guys Truly in the process on a trip whenever I think one of your sons had like an explosion and on a trip whenever I think one of your sons had like an explosion and was everywhere. And that is the story of our traveling life.

Like, people always ask me, my travel advice for moms, and like, just make it, you know, just laugh at yourself and get there. Because that has happened so many times where Haven has had a blew out and it's the one time you don't pack the extra outfit and then they're just like in their diaper you're like, yep, this is where we're at. I know Matt was like, we just kind of take him off the plane like this. I'm like, it is zero degrees outside. I didn't realize walking off the plane, this specific airport, we weren't going to be indoors. It was outside in Montana freezing cold. I was like, we have to make this work.

Thank goodness Abby spent 15 minutes scrubbing the poop out of the wrensy in the restroom and this tiny little airport, you know, airplane bathroom. So yeah, totally right now. Like that made it, it made it fun. Honestly, like it's funny. It was just funny.

It made it good. And we're already having a horrible travel day that day. And that was like the one flight. I changed three poopy diapers on that flight. And then one of them was so long. It was two hours long. I don't understand. It was a two hour flight. Like what the heck? That always happens. Like our very first flight with honey, you know, you're gear now. If you're trying to do everything right, we have all the things. I saw you all had Miss Rachel. We had all of our, you know, we watched, listened to her kids and we had it like

pre-recorded so that we didn't need Wi-Fi just in case. I mean, we were like ready. And then it was on like, as soon as we took off, she poops and I'm like, oh no, this is not good. And I'm only like two, three months postpartum. This is our first child. So I'm already kind of like unsure. I've never changed a baby on a plane before. So go back there, a changer. Then I go back to sit back down

and we're on a flight to California. So from Dallas to California, it's like a couple of hours, it is already not going well. So then she starts crying and she's not just like crying. Honey has this tongue roll cry. We're like, literally she rolls her tongue so loudly. Like our pediatricians like we know when honey gets here

because it's such a loud cry. So she's doing this on the plane. I'm like, oh no, no. So then I'm like, I'm just gonna go sit in the bathroom with her and just sing to her and try to just, you know, distract her. So sit in the bathroom, literally singing. I'm like singing like, Jesus, I'll see you like all these songs.

And I'm thinking, no one can hear me. I'm there for like 30 minutes singing, talking to her, all this stuff. And then Christian comes and knocks on the door and he takes over and I realize they could hear me the entire time. I'm thinking I'm like removing the distraction, being in the bathroom privately,

little that I know the whole plane heard Jesus loves me and the tongue girl. So that was like our first start to traveling. And you know what, it's very humbling, but those are the things that we're still laughing about and talking about. So that's a really good advice. You just gotta laugh at yourself along the way.

As you go. That is a really great. We can gotta laugh at yourself along the way. As you go. That's a really great. We can so relate because our pediatrician as well, is like, holy cow, your son has like... The lungs on this guy. Yeah, has some powerful lungs. You know? It's our second.

He is. He's built different. I know. He's got way easier as he's gotten older, but like when he, in the, in the thick of the newborn stage, like I thought at one point, I might get worse because of how... Oh my gosh of how like yeah, and I don't know, it's just yeah, every kid's different. Every kid is so different. Honey was like that, like strong and loud and

independent and in Haven. It's just like so gentle and sweet and like, honey is really sweet too, but it's just a little bit different. And so it's just funny. Every kid's so different, you just get to see their originality form at such that early age and it's so beautiful and so cool. But anyways, people obviously love y'all. I've mentioned that. It's so fun to follow you guys journey. But I want to hear just how y'all met

because I think I saw y'all started dating or met in the eighth grade. So y'all been together for a really long time. So take us back to how y'all's relationship started. Yeah, we met in the eighth grade doing theater together. We're a theater kids. Crowds out it too. And I'm sure that comes as no shocker for people

that have seen some of our stuff. Some of Matt's moves that can only come out. That's awesome. That's awesome. We both is such an interesting experience because we both had never dated anybody until we dated each other. We had been on dates, we'd never been like exclusive with anybody. And so that didn't come to later because I don't know, I was just not, I had such a crush

on him but I was like, I'll wait for him to come to me. And so that's hands are awesome. Our junior year of high school. Yeah, the summer after junior year. We were in another show together. Yeah, and we, I ended up asking Abby on a date and we dated long distance throughout our senior year of high school.

I lived in Missouri, Abby lived in Illinois. And then we decided to go to college together and pursue careers in acting. We were trying to hopefully make it on like Broadway or something like that. But yeah, and then we ended up changing our degrees completely and deciding we wanted to focus on us rather than pursuing like the arts just because we were worried about how it might affect our relationship with being apart if like one of us was on a a tour for a show and we wouldn't see each other for a couple months.

We just didn't want to live that life. So that went into finance, I went into education. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, we've been together for seven and a half years. Wow. That is so cool. I love that though, because you know, you look back at your life and even if you think you're like, oh, well, that felt kind of random or that felt kind of random, somehow God works out for going you look back and you're like every single thing was intentional and got you to where you are today because like you did the theater thing you thought you were going to do it on Broadway but now you're using all those talents on your YouTube y'all are writing songs putting songs out. Even yours videos are just so funny and fun and exciting like it's just really cool to see what how he used that and it didn't look like Broadway, but it looks like what y'all are doing now and y'all are probably influencing so many more people

in this way than even you would if you wanted to Broadway. So that's so cool. It is so cool because I truly never thought that we would ever do anything like this. I feel like most people that end up in this career, it's not something that they necessarily thought they were gonna do, Gerda, because it didn't even exist. But it's been such a blessing on our marriage, on our family. And that's why we're so

the most grateful for it. And in college, we really wanted to get married while we were in college, which was very different. We had like none of our friends were even dating and we're like, we want to get married and we're 19. And so we were working at a pizza restaurant together. We shared a car. We found our pizza restaurant that was willing to hire both of us and they could- We were like, believe in us, we're not gonna break up and like make this a mess for you. And we try to get shifts. Yeah, we're like, please give us shifts

at the same time so we can drive together to work. And it was at that pizza restaurant that we were like, if we could work together one day or like own a business together, it would be the coolest thing ever. So we feel so blessed. It's so cool. It's so cool.

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slash Sadie now and get started today. Well something I really am thankful for that Matt did is he, like, I was never wondering, like, are we dating or, like, what's the situation? Like, right away, he was like, I want to ask you on a date and like, call the, he wasn't like, let's just hang out or like, not that there's anything like, that's always a bad thing. But like, I knew his intentions really getting. We're like, he wanted to be in a relationship with me.

And so when it was like, okay, we're dating, then it wasn't like this long period of like us going on dates before he was like, well, you be my girlfriend, like that was like five days after our first date. And so I'd like that I wasn't just like left in this like weird questioning state, which is what I hear from so many other girls. Now they're like, well, we're kinda dating, I, like, we haven't really talked about it, but like,

like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't like that. So I really appreciate that you were, like, very intentional from the beginning. And, um, yeah, it was just fun. Like, we always did fun things out together. It wasn't like we were just like, can we just snapchat each other? Oh, yeah. Like, I don't know. Not that everything has to be formal, but like we went to Chick-fil-A. We went on a hike. We went to a movie.

Like we went to a haunted house. Like it was fine. Dating's all about the thought behind it. Like it's more to the meaning. It's less about like what you're doing, but like the reason you're doing it. And so something we just started this yesterday. So we're actually repeating our first date.

So yesterday we went to Chick-fil-A for dinner and we got like all dressed up. We went to Chick-fil-A and then red. That's okay. It's hard to be written to each other in the past. And then tonight we're going to a movie because we also went and saw a movie on our first date. And then after that we went hiking.

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and I had her in mind, and I took the time to plan something. So we take turns planning dates. It's not like it always has to be met. Yeah, but I love that. Well, I love that so much. It's all about intention and pursuit. And the truth is, just like everyone wants to be pursued.

Everyone wants to be pursued. Everyone wants to feel like someone thought about them. And we're intentional about loving them well. And so, you know, people are like, oh, do you think that the guy has to pursue the girl? I'm like, it's not like a has to, but he should want to. Like, wouldn't you want him to desire to pursue you? And then for the girl back to him, wouldn't you want to show him and give him confidence to pursue while pursuing him and being kind back to him and having these fun things? So it's not like, oh, you have to or you're trying to be traditional. It's like, wouldn't you want to?

Because that's so beautiful and it's so fun. And again, like you said, dating today can be so confusing. People are like, I'm not really sure because he texted me three days ago, but yeah, I haven't heard from him. I am mad. It's such a gift to give someone just like your commitment and such a gift to give someone Clarity in that and I just remember Christian was so good about that because one day we were on the phone We had just gotten the habit of talking on the phone all the time like phone calls

He would call me every night and or he would like tell me when he was gonna call me next to him I would call you Thursday night at this time It was kind of like dates because we were long distance as well. I was living in Nashville and he was in Auburn, Alabama at school. And so we kind of just got in this habit and we talk. And then it was before we had really established like we were dating. We really just met. We hadn't even been on a date yet. We just so enjoyed talking to each other. And I said, all right, I'll tell you tomorrow. And then I was like, or not. I mean, you don't have to. I got like awkward about it because I was like, you don't have to talk to me. And he was like, I'm gonna talk to you tomorrow. And I was like, we're not. I mean, you don't have to. I got like awkward about it because I was like,

you don't have to talk to me tomorrow. He was like, of course I'm gonna talk to you tomorrow. I'll text you in the morning. And it was like really sweet because it kind of was like, and of course, like I said it so naturally because, of course he would, that's what he had shown me. But in the past, my dating had looked like, I'm not sure, do they like me?

Do they not? It's like a little bit confusing. And so I love that he was just like so clear with his intentions. And actually, it's funny that you said that about planning the date because he asked me to come on a date and he was coming to Nashville. And that's where I live.

So you might would think like, I should plan the date because that's where I live. But I was like, Hey, I think you should plan it. It would like me in a lot. I want to see just like, you know, what you come up with and what what you think is fun. And he planned this like really fun date, but where we went to lunch was a place called

Tuploh Honey. And it's just really cool. Our daughter's name is Honey now. And I had never been to Tuploh Honey and something I didn't even know was in Nashville. And so it just is really sweet. You know, you never know those little nuggets that seem insignificant at the moment

that you look back on and become such core memories. But I love how y'all were so intentional about that. And I love how y'all got married young because we got married young too, and not everyone. Does that, I might think that's a little bit crazy, but whenever you were getting married, were any of your friends married too, or were y'all like the first one to take that leap? And was that kind of crazy. Yeah, we were the first we were definitely the first

and we uh I mean I remember feeling like it was intimidating because I didn't like know anybody that had done what we were doing. Yeah. Um but we were we were very serious about it and so like like I said with the with the pizza restaurant we were trying to find ways that we can make money so that we can support ourselves financially. We're doing the day Ramsey. Yeah, well, we're doing both our day Ramsey. Like, here I am, like, growing up in dance class and trying to get into acting yet now,

I'm doing a reverse 180 and trying to learn everything I possibly can about finance so that I can know how I can support us financially. So it was an exciting time and it really forced us to mature quickly and grow up fast. And sure, we missed out on a quote unquote college experience that some of our friends got to have because they weren't married as young as we were in college.

But I would also argue that we got to experience a unique college experience that nobody else got to because we got married while we were in college. In my view, you have different paths that come upon you as you go and maybe your experience might look different from somebody else's, but I think what works for one person doesn't always work for the next person.

So you gotta just stick to what works for you. And I will say, like at the time of us getting married, we didn't really know a lot of other married people at least our age. We had mentors and stuff. But soon after we got married, we found like a whole new community of people that were also young and married that was really fun and we're still friends with today. So I didn't think there was anyone else who was like, man, we were so alone in this. And then I'm always shocked time and time again. Like, there's so many other people in your exact same boat.

And it was really cool, like meeting them, you can be friends and getting to share in very similar life experiences. That's so cool. It's so true. Like, sometimes you are scared to take a step because you're like, no one's doing that. But then once you take the step, you realize,

oh, wait, a lot of people are doing this. I just wasn't doing it before, so I didn't and I felt that way before like when I moved to Nashville I felt like oh man I can take in this leap and then it was so cool because I got there and I'm like, oh all of you guys are taking this huge leap and how something you're passionate about that you're starting and you're a little bit nervous and it was just so cool to meet People along the way and same thing like those girls that I met during that season that we all had moved around the same time and met, they're still like my best friends of this day and we don't live in the same place,

but we relate on so many levels to each other still. And so just, they're the friends that like, you can not see them for a while, but as soon as you see them, you pick up right where you left off because you got to experience something so special together. So that's so cool.

I love how y'all mentioned that you totally did not see this coming that y'all were going to be like social media influencers. Obviously you were going down the finance route, you were going down education, y'all thought about Broadway theater. This wasn't really in the picture, which I think is cool in and of itself,

because some people think they have to have their whole life planned out. And I don't even think you could do that if you really tried, because there's so many twists and turns that it takes and for the good, but how did you all get into this? What led y'all to it? So I love New Year's resolutions. I love to set intention at the beginning of the year and one thing I want to do more of

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like with doing TikTok as our job, Like TikTok didn't exist five years ago. It's like, I don't know. It's funny that you say that because we can so relate. But I would say, I noticed Abby was watching couples' vloggers on YouTube, and I grew up as, I loved making videos as a kid. I was a creative and would make a video for every school project I ever did.

And it was just a passion of mine. I loved filmmaking. And so I was like passion of mine. I love to film making. And so I was like, wait, maybe we could like do these lifestyle vlogs of us as a couple, we're getting married, young, which is kind of different and out there. Maybe people will be interested in watching your videos. And so that's what initially got us into it because I thought, hey, this would be really fun.

Just as a creative outlet for me, because I wanted, I was desperate to do something creative since I love finance, but it was too much business stuff. I wanted to do something fun and creative, so that's how we initially got into it. It's actually there's a funny little sub story to that too, is because when we got married, we're on budget, of course, for the wedding, and one thing that was on the chopping block was a wedding videographer because it's very pricey and so Matt's like don't worry, I know how to edit videos from my high school class.

I'm just going to buy a camera, have my cousin record some things and then I'll piece it together. And so he did just that and the wedding videos actually on YouTube which is so funny because at the time of buying this camera we did not have a YouTube channel like we're even thinking of anything like this But then that camera is just sitting in our little apartment. He's like well, it's like an investment I already spent the money on this camera. We should make more videos And then that's kind of what it was for the first nine months just like him Yeah, they can use of his camera that he got And that's good. I really did I really I knew people were able to like somehow financially support

themselves through doing YouTube so I was like, hey, if this could even be a side hustle of some sort, like some people have a small business on the side, like some teachers will, you know, sell things on the side and make extra money. I was like, this would be so cool if my creative outlet could maybe like make us some money on the side to like pay for vacation a year or something. And then it was kind of disheartening though because like we I made YouTube videos every week for a year and like nobody watched them. Like we got like these parents were sharing them on Facebook. It was like I did not believe it. It was like my parents

and all their friends. Like that too was watching your videos. And so somehow though with TikTok is where we were able to gain a following through TikTok dance is funny enough since we both have dance backgrounds. We took that lay together in college. So like we did TikTok dances early on when that was a thing. Yeah, so a lot of hard work went into developing

our platforms is what they call it, but it started off so organic that it's weird to, I don't know, see what it's become. Yeah, honestly, it was never like, again, it's the process. It's not like I went into it saying, we're gonna get, you know, six million followers or whatever, it's like, we're just gonna do this because we paid money for this camera and we're gonna have fun. And like, we actually can dance. So let's dance.

That means truthfully. That's so good. You gotta use what you got, you know? And sometimes it's really as simple as what you have. Like, that's our whole thing. Live original. If you start to really embrace who you originally created to be,

you'll be amazed by how naturally and effortlessly things just flow from that space, you know? And it's normally those things that, you know, are already inside of you that God's going to use and multiply and do incredible things with. I think sometimes we try to like overthink our life, you know? And sometimes it's just as simple as showing up and doing something with the camera you already have.

And so, but I love, you said it took a year and you're like, here I'm going for a year, my mom's sure I'm face, so I know when it's watching it. Cause I think sometimes people think like, they're like, oh, like I'll just be an influencer, I just need a video to go viral or, oh, I'll just start a podcast,

I'll buy a microphone and like, yes, that's a first step. But there's a lot that goes into it. It's actually really hard work. And there's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes and a lot of commitment that has to happen. Like there's a lot of time before people make it that you're just having fun with it or working towards it or building an audience.

There's a lot of highs and lows with that. Like a lot of people don't know this, but the first time we did a L-O-Tour. So we've done like, we did three L-O-Tours. We now have conferences and they do really well, but the first time we did it L-O-Tour. So we've done like, we did three L-O-Tours, we now have conferences and they do really well, but the first time we did it, it was so different than anything that I had ever done before. And I had a following from Doug Dynastie

and this with the stars and right after that, I was like, I wanna do this. This is totally different, but this is what I really am passionate about and I wanna do. So I start this tour and no joke, like we were trying to sell arenas. We sold 42 tickets in Albuquerque, I'll never forget.

We had to cancel the show because it was like, it would have lost so much money. And so we actually ended up just having to go to Albuquerque and spending the day. They are not doing anything as a part of our route just because it didn't sell tickets. And then we went to Oklahoma the next day and it sold out. But then we went to New York and same thing because it didn't sell tickets. And then we went to Oklahoma the next day and it sold out, but then we went to New York and same thing, it didn't sell tickets and it was just this humbling thing of like, okay, it's not always gonna work out, but do you love it?

Do you care about it? Are you willing to keep working it? And it's really cool because that was eight years ago and I'm still doing that, but it took a while to grow it and it took a while to do it, but I was confident and you know what, God was doing it in my life, confident and I loved it and it was what gave me life and was fun to do and all those things

and I felt purpose in doing it. And so I love that you guys stuck with it. I think influencers, it's a word in our generation that's become like specific to a job title, right? It's like if you're an influencer, you have a blue check mark and you do videos, but I think influencing is so much bigger than that. I think, you know, everyone is an influencer in their own life because they influence people. So I have a question for you all.

As actual social media influencers, what do you all hope your influence is on people's life? Ooh, really, really good question. Yeah, I think about that a lot because we get messages all the time from people that are like, hey, I'm battling cancer and your videos have really helped me get through this because they just bring in a joy seeing your story, seeing you tell your story and they make me laugh. And it's like, wow, that's really cool. But like, to be honest, I never knew that our videos were going to benefit someone that way. I just, I, I'm still, I think we're still figuring it out. I think Abby's answer might be different from mine, but I'm still trying to figure out how like,

we got into this because we just, we love entertaining and we think it's fun and we, and we honestly didn't expect for all this to happen, but I really want to do a lot of good in our world with our platform and we're still figuring out what that exactly means like how, how we're going to do that. I mean, something we've thought about is doing a bigger campaign for charities this year on our podcast last year we did a fundraiser for St. Jude, which was really cool and was very successful for St. Jude, but I still want to make sure that we're like really making an impact with our content because there are so many eyeballs on it and I don't take that lightly.

That's a very broad answer, but I guess I just want to make content that makes people laugh, that means something to somebody that makes them feel something and also can hopefully support some charities along the way too. That's cool. That's really cool. And I think the first step in influencing in the way that you want to is asking yourself the question, you know, because I think it's so easy like Sometimes followers come upon you and you weren't really expecting it and all of a sudden you're like, whoa I'm an influencer now and so then it's like okay I'm gonna keep doing this and post these videos, but then there's a point where you go Okay, what is all this for like what am I doing and making an impact? And I just want to say from someone who follows you guys, I can say a couple of things that y'all are doing

and influencing people really well in is y'all bring so much joy to people's life. Anytime anyone's seen your videos, they've smiled for sure. And so y'all are influencing people to smile on their day. Another thing is y'all are so good at just being so open about things that y'all go through and things that y'all deal with. And so many people are just looking for a friend to give people advice.

And I think you guys are people's friends from afar who give great advice and steer them in a direction. Maybe they felt alone in. So like, you know, even if you weren't even thinking about those things, you really are doing that because it's from the overflow of who you are. You know, fame is such a weird thing. Fame doesn't change you. It just elevates you, if you will. And so who you are, before you had the followers, it's going to be who you are with the followers.

It's just going to be seen by a lot more people. So who you all genuinely are has overflowed into the following that you have. And it's been a joy for people to get to follow along. So just encouragement from afar, you guys are influencing people in such positive ways, whether you intentionally thought about it or not, just based off of who you are. But Abby, what do you think? Thank you. First of all, I was super kind. So thank you. And I think, yeah, kind of what you brought up with that authenticity piece is very, very, very important to the both of us. And I think that kind of like bleeds into my purpose

in this too is that, like you said, there's a lot of people, especially since we got going during COVID, like it was very isolating time. And so being able to share about the harder things I was just telling Matt the other day, like more often than not when people say hi to me in public, it's moms telling me like you really impacted my life speaking about your postpartum experience. I think that is a specifically really can be a very challenging time because it is so isolating your home with your baby. You got these hormones, you have all these things and so other moms come up and saying like,

wow, you're talking about that. Like really made me not feel alone. I wasn't able to talk to people in my life about that. I felt shame for the way I felt after having my baby, like things like that. And which is so funny, because like a lot of that stuff, I was like, and maybe I shouldn't be sharing, maybe I'm oversharing, because this is not like a beautiful part of my life. I feel really fresh and vulnerable. And sometimes like, maybe this is something I pull the reins on. And I'm so glad now looking back that I didn't, because yes, it is so cringy to be crying on the bed.

I understand that, but the way that it has impacted other moms, it's made it also worth it for me. I'm like, I'll be the, I don't have any pride. Like I'll like, I'll put it out there if it can have that effect on other moms. So that's been a new found purpose in this for me. And I feel like every day as we go through I'm like, wow, like that is a new fulfilling part about this job. That is making me want to continue.

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and I had just really struggled and I had to tell a story about me being in the fetal position in the closet and crying Christian walking, being like, are you okay? And I just was like shaking. I was like, I'm so scared and like, I don't know why, but I'm just so scared. And so we did a whole podcast on postpartum anxiety and I even had my counselor on here to talk to talk me through it with people listening. I obviously did pre counseling before that, but I just wanted to help people like walk through that. And I've had so many moms that like,

thank you so much, that was so helpful. I needed that at that time. And so if we're able to get people the resources to that or just be a friend in that, like my whole thing is like, I'm not, I don't look at fame like fame, I look at it like I get to be a sister and a friend of those who don't have one, to a lot more people than I would get to without this platform.

And if I can be a sister and a friend, which would be like the most real relationship you have with someone, it's a person you laugh with and cry with. It's the person you dance with and you're just completely vulnerable with. They're like, what a gift to get to do that and share that. Now, there are obviously pieces of your life that are private and just for you and you got to find the boundary that for yourself. But if there is an opportunity to get to open up that door and help people through it, what you're going through, I think it's just that is the boundary that for yourself. But if there is an opportunity to get to open up that door and help people through it, what you're going through, I think that is the gift of social media. Like that is what makes it so special and so cool.

And I love that you talked about. I saw you did your race right after, like three months ago, which first of all, rock star, how cool. But what I love about it too is that there are parts of the race and I'll let you share your story and why you even chose to do that.

But I love that you share there parts of the race that you weren't able to do because it was like required to a lot of strength that you didn't have at the time, but that you still shared that part. Because so many people want everything to be filtered and perfect and like, look, I did it at three months postpartum and I crushed it,

but you're like, I did it and I messed up here and I crushed it, but you're like, I did it, and I messed up here, and I didn't do that there, but I finished it. And like, that is just, that's the, that's the kind of influence people need. Not to see someone who's perfectly filtered, but to see someone who's just like gaining strength and growing as a person every day. And so what made you decide? Because that is crazy to do a race three months post fart. I feel like there's like an identity crisis that I've gone through both times since I'm babies.

It's like I have been pregnant and it's been like my main personality trait for nine months. Yeah. And everything every decision I have made has revolved around this pregnancy. Every I constantly think about like, I probably shouldn't do that right now. I'll do that later. Like, and then it's like once I probably shouldn't do that right now. I'll do that later.

Like, and then it's like, once I got cleared by my doctor to do like, start doing normal things again, like non-regnant things, I was like, you're like, let's go. I'm ready, especially because I had back-to-back pregnancies. I didn't have a glimpse of that the first time around. It's, so I was like, it's been two years. Like, I was just gearing up. And I time around. So I was like, it's been two years. Like, I was just

gearing up. And I'm really thankful that I was able to be active during my pregnancy, but my boundaries were very, were reminded to me every single time. Like every day I worked out and then I was like, man, I gotta hold that. Yeah. And then I was like, I just wanna do this again and know that I can and that, I was like, Matt, please get with me. Because I was trying no things to Matt, but he was not my first pick as a race partner. I tried my dad. I was like, maybe it's gonna be like a dad daughter

or a balmy thing, but I was like, no way. I don't wanna do that. Who else say I asked? Oh, I asked my other friend. I was like, she's at asked my other friend. I was like she's at a town doing it. I was like wait why was I not your friend? Everything together. Like I was like I feel like I just have no so I think a lot of the motivation because I did ask myself like why do I have to do this. I think it's because I was like I just need to do something

like push my limits because I haven't been able to in so long. So it was really, really fun and honestly, like, I got some criticism for doing it, but I was not, we're taking it as slow. Well, the people that were criticizing you, they have no idea. Like you were, your doctor would have 100 per, like you're totally fine to do everything that you did.

You did not overuse it yourself, and Abby worked out her whole pregnancy. So Abby's the one that like motivates me to go to the gym, talk about this thing. She influences me to go be physically fixed. I'm like, my wife's going like six days a week and I'm over here like maybe doing three days. I need to pick it up.

That was awesome. Really fun to like get to celebrate my body in that way. Like what all it's done and then now what it can do, still despite everything it had just done, like carry a child. Yeah. So it was a really rewarding day. Yeah, for sure. Well, I was very inspired.

I was like, oh, shoot. Okay, I need to do something. Actually, Christian is definitely my inspiration for working out. Cause he is the six day a week guy. And I'm like, man, I work out every day when I pick up my babies like, I am working out currently right now. And so I'm always like, I'm just staying active,

but it was just funny, because we were going over our New Year's goals the other day. And he was like, his were very fitness based, and my were very like spiritual and personal based and everything. And I didn't even have one fitness one. And he was like, okay, can I add one to your list? And I was like, yeah, hit me. And he was like, you should try to run a mile.

I was like, oh my gosh. I was like, okay. You're like, actually anything but that. I know, I'm like, thanks a lot. Thank you. Because I just don't even think like that. But I'm like, okay, you're right. I can do this.

And then of course, I wanted to give him a New Year's resolution too. So I was like, if you can get me one, I can, but that's actually kind of fun to give someone else a New Year's resolution. It's like, let me tell you your blind spot. This is what you should work on. Well, the honest guy,

I'm probably starting to fight. I'm not sure. Well, I like that idea though, because I feel like you could vote. Like Abby was giving me a hearing aid with her resolutions. And her's were so different than mine. because I feel like you could vote. Abby was giving me a herdator's resolution. Herd's were so different than mine. I'm like, Christian's were fitness, mine were business. Very, very male, it's typical male goal.

One of my business fidgetes. Abby's gonna start a book club, where Q.J.A.V.E. is. Stuff like that. That's so me minor, just fun. I was telling him, I said, so here's my word of the year It's like it's gonna be stretch and what I mean by stretches I'm gonna get my maximum use of my potential all of a step In Christmas like I like that

I think my word will be stretched to you But I think I'm like literally going to just intentionally stretch every day Okay, well, that's good that works for you So that's so funny Yeah, take it where you will. It means something different to everyone. That's hilarious. One thing that you guys have kind of mentioned

is just getting criticism on social media, which is obviously part of it. I know y'all have had your fair share of going through the storms when it comes to social media. How do you balance back? Like so many people, I think, are scared to even take that first step because they're scared of the criticism and I think that's just to be expected

because it's part of it, but how do you one, brave it and do it and how do you two balance back when it happens? All right, y'all, y'all are here to keep me accountable. Y'all were here whenever I said a couple of years ago, my goal was to do one pull-up. Here we are having done a pull-up. Well, this year I was like, okay,

do I circle back to the pull-up? I don't know, in Christian was like, I got a new goal for you, run a mile. Now, I know, just some of y'all that doesn't seem hard, but to me that seems like a mile, seems like a mile. Okay, it seems very long. So if I'm gonna do this, I gotta make sure that I'm doing everything to help me

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If you don't like it, like I mentioned just share it with a salty friend and then they will give you your money back. No questions asked. You have really nothing to lose here. Go try it out. I think you're good to love it. And so interesting because you have constantly been thinking about this and I think our answer would be different at so many different points in this career. For me personally right now, I think we also both handle criticism very differently honestly. For me where I'm at right now, I am at feedback overload. And that goes for the positive too. Like I always say like I should never be praised nearly as much as I am and also of course hated as much as I am sometimes. And so I'm just at like feedback overload and I've had to prioritize what's most important to me because I feel like everything is like a trade

off. Like if I'm sitting here consuming the feedback constantly and like filtering in and changing things, I one't lose some of my authenticity because I'm, yeah, sure. Adjusting based off of what they're saying. But also, I'm like missing out on time with my kids I could have, or I don't know, a little extra time to sleep even, like things like that. I'm like, I just am not willing to make that trade off

anymore, so now I just, I really don't bring anything. Let's get Abby to take talk this year. Hey, that's awesome. So she doesn't even like, doesn't even have take talk on her phone. I think for me for long term, I think it had to come to that point where I was like, this is not sustainable for me personally. Yeah. Like I was never built for this.

And so I'm no longer going to put myself under that. I think kind of like you said, Sadie, you're mentioning earlier how when, like, when it's when it becomes an influencer, it just, I don't know, it expands the person that they are already. It only like makes the good things

and bad things about them bigger. I guess. And I feel like that's true also for communities online. So any praise, like you get way more praise than you deserve for doing something good and you get way more praise than you deserve for doing something good and you get way more hate for something bad that you do. Or even if you're misunderstood, then like people will hate you if they misunderstand you and then that will be a lot bigger than it would in real life. So I think it's just like everything's very

everything's multiplied all that time. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, I think like I'm still figuring out how to handle that. It's weird because I've noticed like everybody wants to get to a certain point, gets some sort of hate or has people that like don't like them, which just thinks it doesn't feel good to be misunderstood. But I think I like remind myself whenever I see like a mean comment like, hey, that person just doesn't know me and I have to be okay with people, have to be okay with people not really knowing who I am. And so, okay, for people to be wrong about me.

I have a lot of confidence that the people that literally watch everything that we put out there have a very, very good understanding of us as people. And so that, I'm like, okay, I feel safe around those people. It's when a short video that has had a lot of eyes, but that hasn't seen anything else from us, that's things like, I don't know, get really crazy. But I think that's reminded us the importance. I think a shared goal week, speaking of resolutions for this year, a shared goal for ours is just like community in general and specifically in-person community because those are the people that I'm like, I want feedback from you because you're seeing me, you know, not just when I'm like on camera, writing some more things like that.

And that's where it's really important for me. Yes, that's the feedback that actually matters. And that's really the only one that matters is people that are in your life daily. So that's gonna create who you really are and make you the best version of you. And then again, that overflow of you is gonna be what you share online.

And I get that last year, I spent eight months off Instagram, didn't have any social media on my phone. I deleted it in January, which I used to always delete Instagram in January, just to take it off. Which is really the only social media I really run myself, and my friends helped me run my other accounts,

and whatnot, just because it's just a lot. And so anyways, but I run my Instagram, and so I deleted it, and I was gonna get it back in February, and I just my Instagram and so I deleted it and I was going to get it back in February and I just knew it wasn't time yet. Like, I guess so much was revealed to me during that first month of things that I didn't even know I struggled with when it came to social media, like fears that I hadn't thought that I had and value things that I felt in myself.

I was just like, this is not it. This is not worth it. So I just like took another month off and then I ended up not downloading it back to August and it was just so good for my life because I realized like my day was truly defined by like what my day was. You know, like what was actually in front of me?

Not just like on my phone or just shacked about my phone and it just gave me like a totally new lens. It made me so much more present with my family, my kids, it made me again, just like a firm who I am, who I know that I am, so that when I did return, I could return with so much more confidence in everything. And I think there's one feature I really don't like on social media and it's kind of speaks to that amplified thing

and it's now that, you know, comments can be liked because I think used to when you got like a bad comment. It would hurt, but you'd be like, oh, that person, they're crazy or they don't know me. Or they're rude. But then when you see that comment gets so many likes and you're like, wow, it was a firm by that many people, then you're like, oh, we'll do people. Does everybody think that? And then like you start questioning yourself because it's no longer just this one person

who made this inappropriate comment. It's like other people agree. And so I think I can really mess with your head. And so I think I just had to step back and be like, who do I know I am? Who am I with my family, with whom present? And just like step back in and get fresh perspective. And man, I've come back with just whole new confidence and just strengthen who I am,

what I'm doing and I never seared away from who I was, but it was just like internally starting to really hurt me more than it should and make me question more than it should. And so I love that you're taking that break. I think that is like so wise and so neat. And I think so many inflores get in that trap of like, oh, if I take the break, what if I come back and I'm not relevant or what if it messes up my algorithm?

You just go through a thing, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. It's like, what do I value the most? What's most important in my life and it's the people right in front of me and how you lead your family and how you lead your life? And so this is so good, it's so, so healthy. Y'all are awesome. I can so relate though to the comment thing because yeah, if you get one comment and it's like, oh, like even if it's mean, it's like, healthy. Y'all are awesome. I can so relate though to the comment thing

because yeah, if you get one comment and it's like, oh, like even if it's mean, it's like, well, that's just one person. But then if it has like 50,000 likes, then you're like, wow, 50,000 people will get my guts. And like, like this comment, because they dislike me that much. And that hurts.

And that's even like why, like, I've been on this new journey with Bing Creative and wanting to have a new creative outlet. I've started releasing music because I've always been a singer and songwriter and I'm just like finally releasing that. And I've had some videos where people say some like really mean things about my music, which I get it like not everybody needs to like my music. But it's just it sucks when you see a mean comment that can like hurt you personally. So that's mean where I like I decided for a little bit, I didn't even read comments on anything I really used to relate.

In my music that way, I just protected my mental health. Yeah, yeah. And because you're like, I love what I'm doing. I want to keep doing it. So again, if you let that into it, it can change your authenticity and what you're doing. Gosh, it's so true and so real. And so many people I think face this and struggle with it, but they just keep powering through you because it's part of it. But no, that's so true and so real. And so many people, I think, like, faces and struggle with it,

but they just keep powering through because it's part of it. But no, that's not normal. Don't let that become normal. And what you are saying is so true. Like, you don't need too much praise and you don't need too much hate. Like, you don't need any of it.

If you get too much praise, you get the big head. If you get too much hate, you feel like you're nothing. And so it's like, okay, I just need to start listening to everybody says that I am. I need to remind myself of who I know I am and live from that space. And I remember, you know, so I've been, guys, you started when I was 14 years old. So I've been like the public eyes since I was 14 and 26 now.

So I think I've just like learned a lot along the way, but also times have changed so much and it's so true that you're really always going to be learning. And right when you think I got it, you know, doing good, you know, something else comes in a different way than you just learn as you go and you adjust as you go. And things don't have to be permanent decisions, things just be for the right now. And again, it's all part of that process. But I know we are running out of time, but you guys are so encouraging. You all are so inspiring and all the things that y'all do. And it's such a joy to follow along.

I can't wait to keep following along and see all the funny things that you guys get into and just doing everything together as this week couple of y'all are. So thanks for being on this podcast and encouraging so many people and making people laugh and being influencers worth following.

I really appreciate it. Yes, well, thank you so much for having us us as a listener myself. It's really cool. That was opportunity, so I thank you. Yeah, thank you. It's been a joy speaking to you and we've had a lot of fun. So yeah, thanks for having us on. Y'all are awesome. you