WHOA That's Good Podcast - I’ve Stopped Wearing My Exhaustion as a Badge of Honor | Sadie Robertson Huff & Jess Connolly

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

As Sadie puts it, Jess Connolly is your new "best friend" who is here to encourage us ALL that being a woman in 2024 is exhausting. It is! And it's easy to start wearing the "I'm tired" badge with pride — even, like Jess, thinking we're more godly because of it! — when it's probably the last thing we should be doing. Jess talks about finding herself at her publisher's office pitching a book about being tired when she was as close to complete burnout and a breakdown as she'd ever been. But through doing a deep dive on what "tired" really means — and what God meant when He said, "Come to Me all who are weary" — she discovered a wealth of knowledge about how we navigate exhaustion and WHY we're all so tired (it's not always because we need sleep!). Get your copy of Jess' book, "Tired of Being Tired:" https://www.jessconnolly.com/tiredofbeingtired https://helixsleep.com/sadie — Get 20% off all mattress orders AND 2 free pillows! Get a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale at https://www.stamps.com/whoa. https://factormeals.com/whoa50 — Get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next box when you use code whoa50! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I truly hope y'all are having a great week, but per usual, it's Wednesday and it is about to get so much better. Y'all, I am so excited for this conversation because let me just tell you, even preparing for the conversation with the guests we have on today, I was so encouraged. I was so strengthened. I was listening to her podcast on like 1.5 to get all of it in that I could possibly get in to just steward this conversation, but it's impossible to get all of it in one conversation. So I'm about

to introduce you to your new favorite person that you need to dive into her books and her messages. We have Jess Connolly on the podcast. Welcome. I am so honored to be here. I'm so grateful for you and your ministry and your work and how you're encouraging women and all the people. So thank you so much for having me. Yes, truly. It is a gift. Like this morning, I was listening to your podcast. I'm scrolling through, and I'm looking for all the ones

that I wanted to dive into a little bit before we had this conversation. And I truly could not get enough. I was like, how fast can I listen to your talk that I'm still obtaining everything because I wanted to get so much in. And truly, like, your ability to communicate with people, but it's so relatable and so biblical

is such a gift to this world. So I'm so excited for this conversation, but also just to introduce you to so many people that follow me that might haven't found some of these, the books you're putting out. And just before we start, I want to shout out, she has a new book coming out in April, Tired of Being Tired. Amen to that. I definitely needed those words.

So we're going to dive into everything. But just before we do, I have a question that I ask every single person who comes on the Will That's Good podcast to kick us off. And that is the question, what is the best piece of advice you have ever been given? Ooh, I love that question. What is the best piece of advice I've ever been given? Okay, I will tell you, this is like a spiritual piece of advice that I honestly think it has unlocked so much freedom in not just the spiritual parts of my life. But there was a gal that I was friends with in college. I wouldn't even say I was friends with her. I just admired her a lot. And I noticed that when we would

pray in group settings, she had so much authority and she just seemed to have so much wisdom. And I asked her, hey, how do you get so good at praying? Like, how are you so good at prayer? And I had not yet come to have the wisdom and understanding that you can't be good at praying because it's just talking to God and we can all do that. But so I was like, how do you get good at praying? She said, you know, I just say what I'm really thinking and I don't fake it. And she said, I also, I just use my own voice when I talk. I don't use like a sweet Jesus voice. I don't use a prayer voice. I just talk to God. And I will say it's so interesting that shifted

something in me. And I will tell you, I think probably since that day, 20 something years ago, I've had hundreds of people ask me like, how are you good at praying? How do you do that? And same with like communicating or ministry or teaching or even parenting and my advice is always the same. I just use my real voice. I just say what I'm thinking.

I just say what I'm feeling. I talk to God in my normal voice. And so again, it's kind of spiritual, but it's also really been kind of strategic in my life. That anytime something feels really hard or difficult or insurmountable, I just do it the most honest way I can. And that usually seems to help. I love that.

That is such a good piece of advice. And it's so true that we tend to have this temptation to put on this like spiritual voice or spiritual sounding voice. And actually my mom always says this, we'll do this podcast together, and we'll have messy conversations. And she'll be like, okay, we sound too like women's ministry.

Because there is a women's ministry voice that sometimes you accidentally get into whenever you start talking about a certain topic, or you're in a podcast setting, or you're talking about a book. And it's so refreshing actually hearing your content, even I noticed that in the podcast, that you just speak so relatably. And I love that.

I love that so much and it's such an encouragement to people listening that if you do any form of ministry or even just in your workspace, don't fake it or put on a voice to match what you think the setting's supposed to be. Like that's how our whole message, live original, be who you are in every setting. God made you who you are to fully be who you are in Him in those places. What a great start and piece of advice. You said something talking about why you were writing this book that I want to talk about because I actually related to it so much. You were talking about writing a book about being tired

and how there's all these other books that have been coming out about the exhaustion we're living in and all of the different things and burnout and how to cope with it. And you said you just couldn't really relate to so many of the messages that people were putting out there, which is exactly how I have felt. I feel like there's all these books coming out about, you know, if you're tired, like

just quit everything or cancel everything or do the, and it's like these great ideas except for I just look at my life and I just don't really feel like that advice really works with the lifestyle that I'm, or even what I'm really called to or what I even think is the best or best piece of advice for my life. And so whenever I heard you say that about this book, I was like leaning in. It's like, okay, this is a book about being tired,

but it's not the same message that's just like, okay, then quit. And so what, tell us a little bit about this book, why you're writing it, and even though you couldn't relate to those books, why you felt like you were gonna to take it at a different angle? Yeah. Well, my story is this. I've been talking about it so much thinking about the book that I've had to look back and say, when did I first feel really tired? When did I start to really

first feel a ton of exhaustion? And for me, looking back at my life, the first time I felt really exhausted was in college. And I don't know about like I was listening or about you. I mean, I know a little bit about what college was like for you, but I wasn't tired because I was out partying and I really wasn't tired because I was studying to be honest with you. But I was tired first in college

because that's when I first started to perceive what other people believed a good, godly woman looked like and what she did. And so I started to try to live into that identity. I wanted to be serving the most. I wanted to be joyful. I wanted to be in four different Bible studies. I was on staff at my first church in college. I wanted to be using my gifts and teaching and loving and serving. I wanted to be a good and present friend. I wanted to be a rally gal who dropped everything and do stuff for a hard season. That was when I first just kind of started to realize there's this expectation and I want to do it well and I want to do it well for God and for me that moved into early marriage and motherhood and I had three kids in three years so we started our family kind of like fast and

furious and we were in ministry and we were planting churches and we were doing all these things and of course the fatigue just continued. But as time went by, I actually started to see it as a badge of honor. When I would push past my physical boundaries of what my body needed to rest and when I would push past my spiritual limits of really how much I could carry or how many burdens I could carry or when I would zip up my emotions or when I would take a lot on my mind. I was proud of myself. I thought that I was being very godly.

And I lived like that for a really long time until just a few years ago where I had read all the books on rest. I knew I needed to rest. I knew that there was this invitation from God that I was missing out on. But like you said, I would read them and I feel shame. I think my life is not quiet. It's not hushed. I can't just quit everything. And I don't think I'm supposed to quit everything. I don't think that would be obedient. But I kind of hit this wall. And I said, but my friend and Savior Jesus, who I have based my entire life around, says in Matthew 11, come to me all who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest. And

if he says that, there has to be a version of that, that actually is true for me. And so what I actually did is I researched the scientific method, which I remembered like a tiny bit from high school. the most scientific method. I was like, I think there's an actual process that people go through to see some kind of change or to learn something. And so I said, I'm going to write a hypothesis about what I think might be true about rest. I'm going to research, I'm going to study God's word. I'm going to study as many other books as I can. And then I'm going to use my own life as an experiment. And if there's a way that I can experience realistic rest from God in a kingdom way, without quitting everything, you know, without going on like a three-year sabbatical,

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and it only made me laugh because I feel like I can relate to you in so many ways. Like if we actually sat down over coffee, we'd probably be laughing at all the silly like tendencies that we both have because I like to kind of be at high capacity. I like to, and even out of like feeling like you need rest, you start writing a book on rest,

which is like not restful at all. And then they're like studying everything and doing hypothesis. And that is just like so something I would do. It's like, okay, I know I need to do this. Now I'm going to make this into a message in a Bible study, into this, into that. Because that's just how my brain works. But in the process, God's speaking to you and working it through you.

And you actually end up getting the rest and the understanding and the full truth and closer to Jesus and all of it. And so God's so good, he knows even our personalities and our tendencies and meets us in those moments. But it made me laugh only because this would be so me, but it wasn't necessarily funny, but how you came to this point where you're gonna write the book

and then you get like super exhausted. So your first meeting with your new publishers and how that went down. Can you share a little bit about that? Yes, absolutely. So I was supposed to write a book, and I had joked for years that I was gonna write a book on rest, because what you and I know is our best messages come out of our biggest weaknesses where God's brought victory and healing. And so that had been my story for years. I wrote a book called Wild and Free that was about biblical identity because I had struggled with biblical identity. I wrote a book called Dan Stan Run that was about holiness because I wanted to understand personal holiness and what that looked like in our

lives. And I wrote a book called Breaking Free from Body Shame because I'd struggled with body shame my whole life and God brought victory and healing. And so I would joke, I'd tell people all the time, I'm going to write a book on rats next. Because I need it. But I didn't really mean that. I didn't really mean that because I knew this is our place of victory in my life. I had a meeting with my publisher and I was supposed to be writing a book with them, and I was really just in the thick of this breakdown, just spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically.

I was struggling with insomnia. I was struggling with really intense anxiety and panic attacks. I have an autoimmune disease, and I have a couple of different health things. My body was just breaking down. Like all of my symptoms were flaring. I was really struggling. I couldn't control my emotions. I'm a local church leader who was like struggling to want to go to church because I was just so spiritually exhausted and I was not doing well. So I called the publisher the week before our meeting and I said, I'm going to go to US straight. I am a hot mess.

You don't want me in your offices right now. I said, I don't have a book. I don't have a good idea. I don't have any wisdom to share. I'm not great. They said, well, why don't you go ahead and come and we'll just process where you're at. And like, we love you and we just want to be on your team. And this was so generous of them. This is a new publisher. I never published a book with them.

And on the way there, I decided to do like a little recon. And I was like, I'm going to just research a little bit about rest. I'm going to see like what people are saying about it. I'm going to read a few things in the Bible. And actually, that's when I came up against that Matthew 11 verse, which I had heard over and over again. Yeah. But I just, I hit a point with God where I was like, are you serious about this? If you're serious, what does that mean? And so I went to that meeting and they were so loving and so generous, my fellow Wisher,

and they let me just sit in that room and cry and say things out loud. And I said, you know, the women I know are physically exhausted in this way and this is what it looks like. And they're emotionally exhausted in this way and they're spiritually exhausted. And I don't think anybody's talking about that.

And they, somebody just sat behind me on a whiteboard and wrote it all down and took pictures of it and said, we'll see if this turns into a book. And God in his kindness let me take a very long time before I ever turn that into a book. Again, I had to go home and see, is this true for me first? And I was so relieved that I found

it's not just true for me, it's true for all of us. Yeah, well, it just made me smile because I was like, that is so the Lord and like so kind. First of all, your publishers to let you have that space. But also like what made me smile, made me so happy about the story is just like your true honesty to tell them exactly where you're at and say like, I am not the person that needs to be writing this book right now. I can't even write a book. Here's the situation. Here's what the ugly side is, which I feel like just people don't do. They try to push past that.

They try to just get the job done, do the thing. And then that's when it leads to those burnout moments, those I really can't do it moments. But when you're honest and let people into that, you get to open the door for conversation. And then what God began to do in that moment was actually the start of this amazing book. And it really is so cool

I would I feel like the moment you just kind of Express how exhausted you are in those safe spaces and someone helps you through it because I remember Back so this year Passion conference was and the Mercedes-Benz Stadium and it was just like a really it was a really big deal, you know And I've spoken at conference for the past, I think four years, maybe five years now. And right before conference this year, I was just exhausted.

I have two kids now and a two and a half year old, at the time a six month old. And just, we were traveling so much, we were doing so much, being full time mom, obviously, my first and most important job. And it was just like so much going on. We had a book come out and passion was around the corner. And I love passion.

I love the conference. I love what God does in those moments. God has always been gracious and given me kind of my message a long time before conference. And this time I had nothing. So we, I was just exhausted. I was like, how in the world? And I got to, you know, write a message

and obviously, you know, leaning into Laura, but there's just a lot of aspects of that that is really exhausting. And so we had like a passion retreat and it was at the very beginning of December and Passion Conference is in January. I still don't know what I'm going to talk about anything. And we get there and Louie's like encouraging everyone and you know he's just like being as as he is an amazing pastor,

kind of pastor over there. And then he's kind of talking about how we're going to be really spirit-led and you know some of you guys, y'all might not even get to speak and like just be okay with that. And I'm like volunteering. I'm like, I don't have to speak right here. Like if the spirit is leading, take me out. And I remember like, I came up to Luri after and I was like, honestly, like honestly, I, if I don't need to preach to you, like it's fine. Like maybe, like I know that you said that

and I'm okay if that's me, you know? So if we get into the moment and we need to cut something, like just cut me, you know? Wow. And I was just, and I was honestly crying when I said it. I was like, I'm so tired. Like I am so tired. And it's just amazing that right after that moment, when I got home, I felt like it was really cool because the Lord just put it on my heart

to text a friend and say, hey, can you help me with waking up in the morning? Because I'm so tired, but that's my only time to sit with the Lord. So I had a friend, she texted me every morning at 6 a.m. and was like, go spend time with the Lord. And she would pray over me. She doesn't even live in my state, she prays over me.

So I get up at six and it's ironic because, you actually said this your book. You're talking about how like it's not a nap you need. It's not a vacation that you need. You know, that's not like the thing that's going to cure your rest. So for me, it wasn't getting the extra sleep in the morning that I thought I needed because I'm a mom and I'm tired. I actually needed to wake up in the morning and have two hours before my kids were up and sit with the Lord and work on my message with him and just be with him. And out of that, out of that time came this message that I preach that passion that has impacted so many people, but before it impacted anyone, it impacted me.

And I really just talked about my love for the word and my desire for the word and my desire for the word and how the word changes everything. And it was just like from a place of overflow of what me and the Lord had kind of built over the last month. And so I still like to say, like it was just super relatable to me, this whole message that you were talking about.

But can you speak to the person right now who is feeling absolutely exhausted? And they're kind of like, I was, they're kind of like you were, about, but can you speak to the person right now who is feeling absolutely exhausted? And they're kind of like, I was, or kind of like you were, where they're like, I need to have a heartbreak, I need to stop, but that's not practical right now. How do you practically start to get rest in today and tomorrow, you know,

for the person who's just downright exhausted? Well, first of all, I think one thing that keeps us from getting the rest that we need is that the enemy is just cunning. He's just a liar and he's good at deceiving, unfortunately. And I think one campaign he's kind of led against exhausted people everywhere is that he either makes us feel pride about it, like I talked about, like, oh, this is good, I'm doing good. And so then we don't get rest because we think it's somehow godly or righteous or strong that we keep going,

or he makes us feel extreme shame about our fatigue. So we feel like there must be something wrong with me. I must be weak, I must be doing it wrong. Something must be wrong with me if I'm this tired. Instead of like, for example, hearing your story, if you had come to me in early December, a month before passion and said, I'm so tired, I would have said, that tracks. That hits. It would make sense that you would feel, Sadie, spiritually exhausted as you're teaching and you're preaching and you're leading so many people. It would probably make sense that you're probably physically tired. You've got two small kids. I would imagine just being alive in the world in the year of our Lord 2024, we are all on a level of mental exhaustion. We're overstimulated.

We are distracted. We're multitasking at all times. So I think the first thing I want to say to somebody who would say, I'm exhausted and I can't stop everything. My first thing I want to say is just grace to you, compassion to you, peace to you. Your God, your Father who loves you, he says in Psalm 127, why do you get up early and why do you stay up late and why do you work at night? Don't you know that I give rest to those I love? Yes. And so I would say, just so you know, he's not disappointed in you that you're tired.

Your fatigue does not mean you're weak. It means you're human. And also, your fatigue and continually pushing past it is actually not a fruit of the spirit. So living tired is not a fruit of the Spirit. So living tired is not a bird of the Spirit. But then I would say to start to receive realistic rest, just every day little sips of God's grace, we've got to know what kind of tired we are because there's actually multiple different kinds. And so in the book I talk about four main kinds, which are spiritually, spiritual fatigue or spiritual exhaustion, physical fatigue, mental fatigue, and emotional fatigue. So our spirit, our body, our mind, and our emotions.

And those are actually really different. And they sometimes what's confusing is that they present in similar ways. And so somebody might think I need a nap or I need to get more sleep at night or I need a vacation. But what they really need to do is sit with the Lord or what they really need to do is process their emotions or what they really need to do is take some things off their plate. Maybe there are some things on their plate that actually shouldn't be there. And so the first thing I would encourage them to do is find out what kind of tired they are.

And tired of being tired, there's a whole quiz. It's actually my favorite thing to do. And now when I sit with people, I went on a date with my husband about two months ago. He was like, I'm just, I'm feeling really overwhelmed. And like, it's just been a heavy week. I was like, babe, can I give you the tired of being tired quiz right here? And I pulled it up on my phone and I was like, okay, mostly C's, you're mentally exhausted. Here are the things to do.

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This is like so perfect that you're on my podcast right now because I feel like I have just walked out this whole process of overcoming like mental exhaustion and all the things. And so I feel like I can use my story. I can be like a representation of everyone listening right now to talk about all of my problems and you can speak into my life because this was so cool, like today, as I was listening to all your podcasts and like reading up on your book, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm walking through this right now and you're putting words and language and practical steps into what I've been trying to navigate, which is just such a helpful tool and gift in this book. So what's cool, so after Passion, right? Like my life did not slow down at all. I had so many speaking events for literally three months. Up until last week, we have been going, going, going,

going, traveling, speaking, doing all the things. I finally have like a month break, so now I'm kind of like regaining. Okay, woo. But I couldn't wait until all those trips were over to mentally get in the right place because if I tried to wait, I would have been like out of my mind.

So we, I will say it was just kind of a struggle over the past three months because it was just one thing after another thing after another thing. And each kind of event I had really required a different message, a different, it was like a lot of prepping in the process. And then again, mom of two kids, first and foremost job, all of the things. And so it, mom of two kids, first and foremost job, all of the things.

And so it's just kind of been a lot. Well, we came to this one moment where I just, I mean, I was having nightmares. And it's interesting because I saw you kind of talked about the same thing before writing this book. And all of a sudden the bed became like a scary place for you. It wasn't a place of rest anymore. And that was how I was. I didn't want to go to sleep because I was scared of what my dreams were going to be. And I just was exhausted in the midst of already not sleeping, just waking up with kids and then needing to sleep because we're traveling and I'm speaking so much. And so it just felt like a spiritual attack. It was just like really heavy. And so I started talking to people, like my counselor through it. I started talking to just mentors and friends and just started opening up. And not a lot

of people, honestly, like even some of my best friends I didn't even share it with until just recently. And they're like, why don't you tell us? I was like, honestly, I was just needing to get through it with the counselor and the mentors and the Lord and my husband. And I just couldn't even talk about it that much because I really just needed to get through it. But it was interesting because one of the conversations I was having with a counselor who used to walk with me when I was having extreme anxiety and panic attacks

years and years and years ago, I haven't faced that in a long time, I was talking to them and they said, Sadie, you're not where you used to be. Like you, your mind is, you have a sound mind. And it was really cool because she just reminded me like, hey, you used to be in a dark place of like anxiety and you were having all the,

that's not where you're at right now. You're just tired and you have a sound mind. And she just told me who I was. And I was like, you're right. I do have a sound mind. I know that told me who I was. And I was like, you're right. I do have a sound mind. I know that about myself. That's what I've been given. I'm just tired because yeah, you know, that adds up.

That tracks like this is my situation. And of course I'm going to be exhausted. And she just kind of reminded me who I was. Well, anyways, after that, I started looking up songs on Peace and a song actually called Sound Mind. And I just like literally clothed myself in the truth of who I was. Well, when I was reading your book and hearing you talk about identity and how, you know,

when you're mentally exhausted, you have to like make sure your identity is in the right place. It's amazing because when I think about exhaustion, I never thought about identity playing a key part into my mental capacity through like being tired, but that was brilliant. And that was exactly what I literally just real time experienced about two months ago. So can you speak to that message of why anchoring yourself

in your identity you've been given helps you through moments of mental exhaustion. Yes, and also I know that song you're talking about Sound Mind because it plays on creepy in my house. It's so good. It is so good. That is the anthem. Truly. Yeah. Well, I mean, okay, so let's talk about a little bit the environmental effects, spiritual and physical that we live in under the effects of this fallen world right now in 2024.

The state of normal for women, but also for men is mental overwhelm. We actually have totally normalized it. But it's not okay. It's not normal. It's not healthy. It's not serving any of us. So I think what happens is that a lot of us begin to experience those effects as mental fatigue or as anxiety, which is so real, it then begins to present in our bodies or we have insomnia or we have nightmares or we even maybe something that's even harder is that I would say like sometimes it doesn't exhibit in those ways it just kind of seeps into our personality and we

just become overly cautious or we don't say yes to things or we build new fences around our life of like what makes us feel safe and I think that identity work really is so freeing because it helps us not overly identify with the brokenness. For example, just kind of coming into alignment or agreement with this identity of like, I'm an anxious person, or even like, I don't even love to say the word, like I have anxiety. Instead, I'd rather say like, I'm experiencing anxiety. Just to remember like, this is not even something that I have to hold on to. And that's not to spiritually bypass it

and to say, it's not real. It's all real. It's all real. And it all makes sense. And it all adds up right now because there's too much coming at us. But the identity work to come back into alignment with who God has said we are,

to actually rest in that, to stop trying to prove that to other people, to maybe just use what little precious energy we have to make decisions and to make rhythms that come into agreement with that more often, and even like that come into agreement with that more often and even like that come into agreement with the limitations that our brains have. Like I love that you say, I need two hours before my kids get up. I am the exact same way. If we have to catch a 5 a.m. flight, I have to get up at 4 a.m. It does not matter. I need one hour where I am not speaking to anyone. It is quiet and it is dark and it's me and God and a cup of coffee. And that is actually me just agreeing like,

oh, my brain needs this. It has this limitation and I need to serve it. But on the flip side, when I feel anxious, when I feel maybe like depressed, when I feel overwhelmed, then I can come back into agreement and alignment with what God has said about me. I have a sound mind. I have access to peace that passes understanding. The Prince of Peace is near me, with me, in me, and moving in my life. All of those things are true.

I can feel this way, but this is the truth. And I can make agreements that come into alignment with that as well. That's so good. Gosh, everything you're saying, I'm like so glad you're saying. And I always get so excited on these podcasts when we have a guest on who are just giving such great advice. Because I'm like, everyone is listening to this and everyone is receiving. So if you're listening to this podcast right now

and you have space to stop and actually write some of these things down, do it. Do not let this just go in one ear and out the other. That's the beauty of podcasting. It's not just a little sound bite on social media. We're diving into conversations and actually trying to get better from them. One of the things I loved,

it was such a practical piece of advice. You're talking about leaning into margin in your life, leaning into those little, still small moments and not overcrowding those things with social media or with the TV you watch, whatever, but actually give yourself margin. What I loved about it is you're so relatable because I heard you talking about this and you were saying something along the lines of you oftentimes are looking at people.com because you just love saying in the know.

You're watching Netflix in the shower, which hey, aren't we all, you're talking about how you love to like cram. I love that you say that. But I was like, this is so good because I'm like, that is so me. And then I'm like, what am I doing? Why am I filling all of this time with just randomness, clutter?

And it's in those moments where you're like, I actually got the, this is like the coolest, most random thing, but it's meant so much to me. I stopped at this house one time because I was driving past, it's taught me like the biggest lesson to me, probably on stopping and having Marjah and I. So I was driving past this old,

this sweet old couple's house every single day. I don't know them. They sat on their porch together every single day and it was really sweet and I guess I just noticed it because it just happened to be when I drive home from work and they were on their porch and they live right across from Dollar General, so there's not really a view for them besides Dollar General and they would just kinda watch

the people at Dollar General, so I always just kinda noticed it and I was like, that's so sweet, that's just their thing. Like, they do that. And so anyways, I kept saying to myself, I'm going to write them a note and I just want them to know that just the picture of their marriage has been really inspiring to me. And one day, I hope my husband and I are sitting on our porch together at their age. And so I was like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this.

Well, honestly, like months went by and I thought about it every time I passed it and by the time I get home, so it was just like 80 D moment, it was like, whoop, like gone, like just forgot. And so one day I didn't see them and then I like kept not seeing them. Then I saw like a wheelchair ramp get put in and I saw, I started noticing stuff.

And I was like, okay, you know, it's interesting. And I kept thinking like, and that's where overthinking it. Well, I don't want to be weird. Like where am I even going to put the note and how am I even going to stop at their house? Like, I don't even know. Like it just got in my head about it. And so then I saw an estate sale sign and I got so sad and I was like, no, like, no, did they pass away? I didn't write the note.

I felt so guilty. I couldn't believe, like, why did I not just stop? Like, why did I get so in my head about that? So then I see like the times for the estate sale and I'm like, I'm going to make sure I get to this estate sale and whoever's there, I'm just going to go talk to them. So I show up like 7 a.m. right when the estate sale starts and I don't see the older couple in there. There's like a younger woman leading it and I was like, didn't want to be weird until I looked around for a little bit and then I decided to like

buy something. I just like literally picked up something and I was gonna buy it and she says, I say, hey do you know who the owners of this house were? And she said, yeah, they were my parents. And I said, oh, no way. I said, well, you know, I just wanna let you know that I pass by this house every single day and I saw them sitting on their rocking chair together.

And I told myself every day for months, I was gonna write them a letter to tell them what an inspiration their marriage was to me, to see them just together every single night on their porch. And I said, I just am so regretful I didn't write that letter to them. And she said, well, I'm so glad you told me that, that means so much to me.

And she cried me telling the story. And then she said, you know, my parents actually just passed away a couple of days from each other because they really did just love each other that much that it was kind of that broken heart moment. And anyways, we had just the sweetest moment. I was able to gift her with something and then I left.

And then I looked at what I bought. I didn't even know what I bought. And I looked at what I bought and it's this plaque. I literally have it in my card to this day. And it's literally all about slowing down in life. And it says on the plaque, it says never hesitate from taking two minute vacations to go out and look at the flowers.

And it was just like this beautiful poem almost about just the beauty of slowing down. And I had to tell the story in this podcast because when you're talking about creating margin and leaning into moments that you can be stiller, that you don't have content going on, and maybe that's writing or receiving content that you're putting out or putting in,

man, the power that can happen in those margins for you and for those around you, just seeing people around you, being able to be in those spaces. And it did teach me a lot because, you know, those times you can't get back, you know, and it's not like I sit and live in regret of that. There's a redemptive story to that. I got to talk to their daughter

and that was beautiful in and of itself, but it just taught me a lot about time. And so I just love like the messages that you're saying in this book, they're so practical, they're so relatable, but they're deeply spiritual. And if you get these things that she's saying into your heart and you start to live that way,

it will not only change your life, but it will change the lives of people around you. I can ask you a million things on rest and I really truly could, but one thing I want to make sure we talk about in this podcast because your voice to body shame has been one that I know has helped so many people break free of that. As parents of young kids, Christian and I are in a season where sometimes good night's sleep is hard to come by.

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so go to helixsleep.com slash Sadie, use the code HELIXPARTNER20. This is their best offer yet and it won't last long. With Helix, better sleep can start now. Just go to helixsleep.com slash Sadie and use the code helixpartner20. Before we even get into questions, can you just tell us a little bit about your backstory and struggle with body shame? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, I'm a woman, so. So period. End of story.

I'm a girl. I was born in the 80s. It was wild out there for a minute. So yeah, I mean, I'm a younger sister. I'm a middle sister. And when I was growing up, my older sister was just three years older than me. And she was and is a literal model. I mean, she's exquisite. She's beautiful. And she never made me feel less than, but I mean, my earliest memories are being compared to her.

She's tall and has dark hair and she's thin. And I'm like been curvy and awkward in my body my whole life. I'm like the clumsiest person you've ever met and now I just embrace it. So I mean my earliest memories, my earliest memories of my body are we're not loving it. We're feeling uncomfortable in it. We're wanting to shift it and changed it. Where that got really problematic was when I became a believer. I met Jesus when I was 15. I had a radical conversion experience. And I knew within 24 hours of meeting Jesus that I wanted to be in ministry for the rest of my life. Wow. I was sitting on my Bible, just like,

sitting on my bed, just pouring through my Bible and probably taught my first message within a year. I just, I knew I wanted to compel other people to see how good this God was that I had met. But unfortunately, especially during that time, especially in the 90s, the church and Christian culture had just co-opted body shame and actually like adding a layer of righteousness to it. And so if you were curvy or if you were, you know, our culture standard of overweight or if you are not somehow seemingly like beautiful, depending on what the cultural standard is exactly right now, you are set for ministry. Wow.

Or you are maybe seen as lazy or, you know, all of those things. And so throughout my late teens and early twenties, I heard all of that. And some of the messages were overt and harmful and hurtful. And some of them were just subtle. You know, I just noticed like it didn't, there didn't seem to be a lot of victory and a lot of favor on people

who didn't look like the world wanted them to look. And a lot of this, in the name of Jesus, thank you, God has gotten better in the church in the last 20 years. Thank you, God. I'm so glad. But it was, it was rough out there for a little bit. And so I just went like a good 15 years, really taking a lot of like disorder beating behaviors and just lies about my body and my worth, but kind of attaching God to it as well. And it honestly wasn't until my mid 20s where I was already doing ministry.

I'd already published a book. I was, you know, teaching and leading and doing all these things and writing Bible studies. And I kind of took a look at my life and I was like, I have all of this freedom in all of these other areas. In all of these other areas, I get to live out this idea of, you know, Psalm 18, that He's brought me out to a spacious place and He saved me because He loves me. But when it comes to my body, I have this very non-kingdom-minded view. And I wanted to see what that was about. And so, for me, it really, truly took about 10 years to do some deep healing work there. I had to get counseling and I had to get therapy and I

had to talk to other pastors. I had to dismantle a lot of the seemingly Christian beliefs that I had about my body. But the good news is what I found is that when God made our bodies good at creation, when He uniquely created each of us, that actually cannot be undone by what we do, by neglect, or by what's done to us. And so the purpose of my life, you know, actually didn't have to be about making my body good for God, but coming into agreement with the truth that it already was. Wow. That's so good. I heard that message that you shared about that word, very good. All right. What was it that you said? was it muchness or something? Muchness good, yes.

It's wild. It's this beautiful part in Genesis that God makes light, He makes night, He makes animals, He makes vegetables, He does all the things. And He says, it's good, it's good, it's good. And then He makes humans and He says, this is muchness good. That's what the Hebrew means. Wow, that is so cool. I love it.

I love it so much. And I, you know, one of the things on this podcast that I always want to do is like bring out treasures in people's heart. And so I never want people to feel that you have to share like the hardest parts of your story. I only asked to share that because I know so many women, we talk about body image all the time on this podcast

because so many, like you started it. I'm a woman, so there's that. And I struggle with body image because don't we all? But it's the same time, it's like, but we all don't have to stay there. Like just because that's like the way the enemy has gotten seeming to be all of us, that doesn't mean that that's the way

that it's supposed to be just in the same way that you talked about tiredness. You're like, just because everyone's living like this doesn't mean that's the way we're supposed to live or that we have to live. And I love how you're saying to us, it's like, God said you're very good. And not after you work towards becoming very good,

you already were and already are. And it's you coming to the realization that you are very good right where you're at. And I have a really, you know, my kind of story with body image where it's interesting because you talk about it like starting from someone that maybe loves you and knows it was like not even meant to be a harmful comment and it just kind of was or just kind of stuck. And I remember it was like literally elementary school and it was just a friend.

We were all just like hanging out literally at break. Like on the, it wasn't at the playground. It was like a break moment. And, or most of it middle school cause we had break at that time. And one of my very best friends, we kind of looked similar. Like we both have brown hair and brown eyes and we are best friends.

We acted just alike and people called us peanut butter and jelly, like that was our thing. And someone was just talking about how similar we are one day, and they were like, oh, y'all are both so similar. And then she said, you know, if you were just skinnier, then y'all would look so much more alike though.

And it was like not even meant to probably be as what it was. She was just kind of like, oh, if you were skinnier, then you would look like her. And then like immediately I felt insecure. He was like, oh, well, am I bigger? Am I, you know, like, then you start asking yourself these questions.

And then it's interesting because as time goes on, I just noticed that the enemy kind of always got me with that same angle of like, if you were thinner or if you were this or that, then you would be enough. And it was like always feeling with my body, I can get it to the place of enough, but I'm not there yet. So it just led into so much striving so much, so many unhealthy habits to like get to the place of it finally being enough. And I don't know if it felt like this for you, but it felt like this for me where it was like every time someone said something along those lines of that lie, it was almost like it affirmed that that was true. You know, it was like, oh, yeah, OK, now it's true.

Now, now, really, if I just worked harder, I could be enough for now. Now, really, if I just worked harder, I could be in it now. And I think so many times we do that, it's like we build our case for the lie to prove that that's true. But this is actually what a great, one of my counselors, I'm shouting her out today, but she was saying to me, don't build a case for the lie, build a case of truth. Because you have a case for truth

that's actually legitimate, that stands. And your case for truth starts in Genesis where it says, you're very good. I made you to be very good in my image. And so I just think this message is extremely important to talk about. The last thing I wanted to ask you about, on this note of comparison and stuff, you were having a conversation with Jamie Ivy. This was years ago. So if I always have to preface this by saying,

if you don't remember this, I can recap it for you because it was literally four years ago, a five minute interview that IfGathering posted. But I happen to see it. I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, good, good, good. I love this. And she was talking about you,

this idea of like taking myself out of the race. Can you just bring that message to us? Because I love what you shared. Yes. Yo, we all grew up at camp around here. We are camp kids. We love camp, love a good camp game, camp song. All of it is so fun.

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50% off your first month on any Crate line at Kiwico.com with the promo code SadieRobb. That's 50% off your first month at Kiwico, K-I-W-I-C-O.com with the promo code SadieRobb. Yeah, and it applies to both body image and to tiredness. And it has actually changed my life. And I do want to pause really quickly and say, thank you for asking me about body shame. And thank you for being so generous and vulnerable with your story. And I just like, since in my spirit, this is something I want to say for anyone who's

listening. You are so generous and you're such a good leader and you're so compassionate to say, I'm going to ask you about this deepest part of your heart. I hope it's okay. I love when people ask me about body shape and I love when people ask me how I feel about my body now because I will take every opportunity I can to tell them the very good news with my full face. I love my body. I love my body. That's awesome. I love giving God glory in my body. And if you all need to go find me on Instagram and see that I am not the world's picture of like the tidiest and the most beautiful.

And it is, I will kick the enemy in the teeth every day and say, I love this body that he's given me. And I love coming into line with that. So thank you for asking me that. I'm so blessed. I'm so glad you said that because I feel the same way. And it was actually after having my two kids that I was like, I love my body.

This is the most amazing thing ever. Like you did make us very good because how did this just happen? This was a miracle. We're a part of a miracle. We're hosting miracles. Like it just kind of hit me. And I think it feels weird,

like it kind of the same way with the tiredness where it feels like this badge of honor to be like, oh, I'm so tired. And the same way with almost like body image and insecurity, it's almost like this badge that you're like, oh yeah, I'm insecure. Like we're supposed to say that. And it feels weird to be like, I love my body.

And then, you know, but it's like, no, you should, you know? And so, and that should be celebrated. So I'm actually so glad you said that because that's something that women need to hear. It should bring freedom to you to say like, I love my body. And it's not just, and it's not because it ended up being in the perfect place or everything is just rocking. It's like, no, it's because I understand what my body is made for and who it's made by.

And so like, I'm so glad you said that. I'm so glad. Okay. So take yourself out of the running. It's also interesting because story loop, back to the very first thing you asked me when you said, okay, what's specified to your for God? I said, you know, just use your real voice to pray. I think one thing that has made you so effective at what you do in your ministry and this podcast and every message

you give and every book you've written is that you are very vulnerable and you're such a good leader to say the thing that most people are thinking, to say the thing that like, hey, I think we're all dealing with this, but I'm going to take one step further and go and look at God's word and reroute it and break some truth. That's why you're such a good communicator. Thank you. And so I feel this call in my life to just be a little honest about what I think we're all thinking. So in this interview with Davey Ivy a couple of years ago, I had just started to roll this idea around in my head. And I just want to humbly present this that I think if most of us women are honest, a lot of us are in a quiet competition inside our head to be the most everything. Maybe some people are like, oh, I can't be the prettiest, but you do want

to be like the most servant-hearted, or you do want to be the most present mom, or you do want to get the best grades in school, or you do want to be the easiest to go along with the flow. There's some kind of little banner that we're all trying to live up to. Maybe you want to be the most kind friend or you wanna be the one who always picks up your phone or you wanna be the gal who will come early in State Lake or you wanna, I don't know,

even just be the most easy to get along with. I just think we all have these little things. So I was talking to Jamie a couple of years ago and I said, I think that something God is doing in my life is that I've decided to take myself out of the running. I actually believe that I could live my whole life looking like I'm trying to give God glory, but I'm really trying to give myself glory

by getting this label of like the most. And the difference is so subtle, but where we land will be so incredibly different. And if I spend my whole life trying to be the most something, even if it looks like I'm trying to give God glory, now God's good and he'll get glory out of it because he's kind like that, but I'll miss out on the abundance of worshiping him as I go. And so that is a phrase I say a lot in my life over and over and over again, I'm taking myself out on the abundance of worshiping him as I go. Yeah. And so that is a phrase I say a lot in my life over and over and over again. I'm taking myself out of the running.

Even saying things like, okay, I take myself out of the running for being the most present friend. Or in this season you're out with young kids, I cannot tell you. The pressure I felt 17 years ago raising little kids is so different from the pressure moms felt 40 years ago. But even now, like the pressure to have like a Pinterest, Pinterest perfect childhood to have like kids all matching and clean and tidy and loving God apparently, apparently also need to be firm and you also should probably be crossfit strong And you also should do blah blah blah Should be shaped like dinosaurs and butterflies Everything and the strawberries should be you know, you know, you should do it with a knife until it's a perfect heart all the things

Yeah, you just gotta take yourself out of the running for all that things. Yeah. You just got to take yourself out of the running for all that. You got to take yourself out of the running. Let everybody else tire themselves out trying to be the best. Except for adult. Now we can go to other women and say, like, hey, by the way, you can take yourself out of the running. I'm so glad you asked that because it honestly is the connection between body image and even tiredness. When people ask the backstory, okay like I tell them the whole thing about like I had a breakdown and I did the hypothesis that that's why I wrote tired of being tired.

But also you can imagine the other truth behind that is I had just led this revolution in my own life and with other women and telling them your body's good and we're gonna break free from body shape. And guess what? When you keep chasing that, also what you realize is I am pushing my very good body to limits that I don't need to. And I am expecting too much of this temple of the Holy Spirit,

mentally and spiritually, and physically and emotionally that He never asked me to carry. And so both are just a continuation of saying like, I'm taking myself out there running. This is not what God asks. For me. I can't do it I love that so much and you know, it's funny people have laughed at me for this because I've told this story before and I know Sometimes I'm too practical for my own good and too honest but this was just true like I remember when Christian and I were dating and he kept telling me, you know Like you're the most beautiful girl in the world and I'm like that is very sweet But that is not true and you'd be like no like you're the most beautiful and in the world. And I'm like, that is very sweet, but that is not true.

And he would be like, no, like you're the most beautiful. And I finally just said, I appreciate your heart in saying that it's just that I don't like it when you say that to me, because in my mind, it makes me feel like I just don't believe it because I'm seeing all these other beautiful people in the world. And then it makes me feel like I don't want you to see them because then if you see them

You'll know I'm not the most beautiful girl in the world And I feel like in competition with the most beautiful girls in the world, you know And I know that it sounds funny, but it's true that like in your mind You know We are all kind of like if you're not careful and if you're not on it, you will compete with everybody and everything and try to be like this version of or whatever it is in the rooms you walk in. But now it's too hard for sure, it's impossible

because it's not just the rooms you walk in, it's not just the cities you live in, it's social media with the entire world. So that's why you're always scrolling and you're seeing, oh, I'm not the prettiest, I'm not the fittest, I'm not the most accomplished, I'm not this. And so if you're in the competition, you feel like you're always losing

and you shouldn't feel like you're always losing because you're not in competition, because God made you who you are to be fully you and the best version of you, but not the best ever there ever was. And so I just like, when you said all that, I was like, this video needs to resurface. Everyone needs to hear this message

because this is like, that's what I felt like when I was telling Christian, I don't want you to say I'm the most beautiful girl in the world, mainly because I was saying, I'm not in that running and not because that's too much pressure, you know? And so I love it. And I love the tie to all of it.

Truly, I said this at the beginning of the podcast, but friends, I hope I just introduced you to your new favorite person. I feel like I did. She's my new favorite person. I can't wait to read the books that you put out from this point forward. And if you never put out another book, which I hope you do,

we have plenty to go off of. No pressure, plenty to go off of. So much content. Thank you for who you are, for the life you lead, for even the wife and mom and the example of a godly woman that you are. And so thank you so much for being on this podcast and for all that you've done,

but most importantly for who you are. We so appreciate it. Oh, same friend. I'm so proud of you. I'm following you as you follow Jesus. God is mighty in you and it's an honor to be doing ministry at the same time as you. Thank you so much. you