Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 61: Nas Nights & Big Soups

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

We’re talking… the Nas anniversary concert, designing your own T-shirt, new W&O merch, restaurants serving Cup-A-Soups, Tom’s love of Heinz Big Soup, dealing with big egos and a bullying manager at a Soho House afterparty, Rom becoming an impromptu cloakroom attendant and Tom’s stolen puffa jacket at a Phil Wang gig. Plus, we answer emails about supermarket world-food aisles, a tricky quandary from a Wolf 2.0, a follow-up on Sloth from the Goonies, Dungarees or Crocs with socks, and a new career in photography. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing the murder like they're rolling with a gang of crows Fuck their censorship, let em see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon you'll see nothing all your ears are half a puff and expect killings red spilling and flesh ripping impressive in it the death bringing his head spinning just kidding every word in his songs

about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog hello and welcome once again to the wall for now and i'm astounded to tell you it's 7 a.m. On a Sunday morning I thought I was gonna be able to Top Tom in terms of being awake at this time because I didn't get into 230 more of that Whoa, you're at 230? 230 in the morning. Yeah, but you've already come lunched. Party run? Well, I'll tell you what happened So, Nas But I'll tell you what happened. So, so Nas was playing at the Royal Albert Hall doing like the 30 year anniversary of Ill Man.

Catch it T. I'm below you on the screen. I just caught that name drop baby. I'm below you on the screen. So I'm below you on my own. I think it's always the person who I'm trying to think you're always at the bottom of your own screen. Yeah. And that's true in life, isn't it? You're always at the bottom of your own screen. Yeah, and that's true in life, isn't it? You're always at the bottom of your own screen just looking at why I'm doing as well as that guy, you know Wait that is let me say I have come up with some absolute doozies on this Podcast over the last four or five years whatever we've been doing it. That's up there baby. Yeah, thank you

It was on the bottom of your own screen. Yeah, it's a shame, isn't it? You know what we should do? We could do a T-shirt where we have a picture of someone and then there's an empty box and in the empty box you draw a picture of yourself. Yeah. That's sort of custom. Do you know what?

I've always thought I wish I could have a T-shirt where I do a drawing myself. And the people, by the way, think I'm mad. That's so sick. You've got your kid to do a drawing in your t-shirt. No actually I drew that and then they look at you. I know that there's a little part of you that is interested in this idea. Look I actually think the fact that you could you could customize your t-shirt the picture yourself. If I saw someone like that and

they were like they walk past me on Oxford Street I would have to stop them and say, Hey, did you draw a picture yourself? And they go, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a custom bespoke t-shirt. T-shirt. Oh, let me take some. A custom bespoke t-shirt, just a blank t-shirt. I mean, yeah. I mean, you don't, you don't need us to provide a box, do you?

No, no, but no, you're not getting it right. Right. It's got written there it says you're always at the bottom of your own screen then it has like a box like a zoom screen on the top of the box could be me and you just absolutely laughing right yeah and the bottom is empty and then you draw a picture of yourself. So what is that what is that merch saying that is saying that you and I are above whoever listens to it is that what the metaphor is? Maybe we should be bottom. It could be like-

And then they draw a picture above and then it says you're always at the bottom of your race. I mean- What that is, you're always above. You may be bottom of some screens, but you're always above these two. It feels like quite a long slogan. It's a lot of slogans.

If you want this t-shirt, you're gonna have to do a lot of chest work. We need to get the, the, just to get it nice and broad. So you can get the logo straight. The slogan. What about it's a, what about cream rises to the top of their own screen? Oh, that sounds disgusting. We have got some banging new merch. There's always cream at the top of your screen.

There's some very sexy new merch coming out, right? Yeah there is. I will say to you now that we've been doing this podcast for a while and we talk about content and we talk about what we might do on the live shows. Never does Tom Davis come more alive than when there are some merge suggestions on the WhatsApp. That is when I, that's when you really see his creative now. So come out,

you know, who's a real, uh, Del boy when it comes to the much little Antonia is an absolute merge faint. I love it. The ingenuity of that kid is so nice. I'm like kids. Huh? Kids. Yeah, okay. But not kids is a bit. That's it. She's she's she's that's how you got 2625. Yeah, I would say like girl, kid, mate, I still think it's a cool thing to be called kid. I was called kid not so long ago.

By who? By someone older than me. There's a guy who's quite older than me. Was he wearing a Stetson and just got off his horse? No. He had a cowboy vibe to him, but he worked in the, it was like he was a cowboy who'd sort of like, you know, hung up his, he was American, you know.

Can you give me, can you give me in a sentence what he said to you? Well, we were playing golf, right? Mm. What? No, nothing. It's just for somebody that's so busy as you, you'd still manage to fit in quite a bit of golf, that's all I'd say. Cold day, I hit beautiful...

I've barely got time to fucking Tom O's shoe lotion, mate. It's an absolute nightmare. Anyway, all for a quick A-Teen. See you in six hours. I don't really... Well, we played 13 that day because it was so cold. I hit a shot, a perler, I'd call it. And this guy, Lewis, interesting character, lovely fella, turns around to me and he said,

cool, great shot, kid. Okay, actually, I don't mind it. I don't mind it Yeah, yeah Do you know what when he said it? He's probably ten years. Yeah, twelve years older than me Yeah, I actually felt a warmth inside me that felt pretty well. That's pretty that's pretty cool thing I wouldn't I wouldn't say you were a reliable litmus test for whether a social interaction is acceptable or not say you were a reliable litmus test for whether a social interactions acceptable or not though to be honest with you. No, but...

Because you are slightly... your reactions to things are slightly unusual, do you know what I mean? He was... You're the sort of person that would go, oh, do you know what? Like, I was at a restaurant the other day, I had some soup going on, the bloke... By the way, I find it insulting that you think I'm ordering soup at a restaurant unless it's really high end. What do mean what's what's what's so insulting about that I'm saying now right that soup can be an absolute fucking shit show it's not like an everything so can everything at some risk no no no

nothing much as much as soup can I say soup when it goes wrong is off a watery broth that's not been left long enough the vegetables have even hardly even touched the hot water before they touch your mouth. Or sometimes they just taste a bit like, oh, it's a cup of soup. It's a cup of soup. When have you been at a restaurant, ordered a soup and it's a cup of soup? Twice in my life. Do you know something?

Burdian. Do you know something? You really are. You'll be such a fucking asshole politician Because you do this all the time is is that you make a point and then I pick you up on it I mean you just make up a fucking story to back yourself up I can tell you now Bernie in right back in the day the Bernie and used to use cup of soups They use powdered soup. Okay, fine. My response that's one time This is what my response to that would be okay What I wouldn't do is judge getting soup at restaurants

Wholesale because you once had a cup of soup a fucking Bernie in But Bernie right yeah, which is absolutely fucking soul-destroying because I used to love a bird How was this described? Because like did it say it was a soup of the day and when we asked like I said what's the soup of the day they were like leaking potato face they speak um they tried to chew it up by like putting some croutons in it but I still I knew I knew okay it was you know so even at a young age I knew my soups even at a young age I was a fucking soup fucking expert Right. Yeah, then when we meet Katherine were in Ireland Not so many years ago we went to a restaurant and they say if the sort of cup of soup

Are you talking about where they powdered so well when I say cup of soup But what I mean is a powdered soup a soup made from powder. So it's not like you know So that was so just slow down a little bit because sometimes you whip through jogging So a powdered soup is a soup made from powder. Is that what you're saying? You're such a slug This super analogy is not gonna stand up to this level of scrutiny the point I'm trying to make is Anyway, this super analogy is not going to stand up to this level of scrutiny. The point I'm trying to make is you get really warm about stuff anyway.

Go on. Yeah. But what I'm saying to you is soup is such soup when it's done well, it's saying where you literally the goodness that you can feel just streaming through your body. It's like your veins have a new friend. Right. Okay.

Okay. Right. And that is what soup should do. And if soup's done badly, it's just literally I've and then almost you blame yourself because you didn't go something a little, you know, the tempura prawns or saying, you know, you got, I'm going to go saying that homely and lovely soup. Soup is like a friend you haven't seen for ages. A warm arm around your shoulder. You know, just literally when you feel it. Oh God, I'm feeling cold. What do I need soup?

I feel a little bit lost. What do I need soup? So people don't take soup seriously. It really aggravates me. It's like this isn't good enough This should stand for something more than what it is. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, the cold plunges one. Yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Do you think you might just be obsessed with warmth in general? Little cold punch. Cold punch is a game. You sound like one of those adverts that play a bit of music. You know those corny, be proud to be British adverts. Sometimes when you come home from a day at work and all you want is the warmth of a soup, warming up your soul and making you feel good about life again. Hinds. And then it's just somebody smiling to the camera. Little to me, can I just say, by the way, I lived off Hinds big soups,

probably between sort of what I'd say 1997 and about 2007. Ten years spell my life. Tom, Tom, Tom, big soups for a decade okay all right. Big soups were a very very active part of my digestive system. The way you say that is I ate a lot of big soup okay what you don't say is I lived off it from 1997 to 2007. Tell us more about your time on the streets. I tell us more about your time on the streets Yeah Big seats were served in a cafe. I went into speak to highest big suits are an absolute thing of joy

That's a suit that someone smashed. Yeah, you might I went to a restaurant what's my my dad once and remember my dad said to the white the way to saying about the soup my dad said man and But there was the soup of the day and he said whatever it was my dad once and I remember my dad saying to the waiter, saying about the soup, my dad said man, what's the soup of the day? And he said whatever it was, my dad went, is it Heinz? No, no. And my dad went, don't worry about it, I'll keep saying that. Baxers have brought up that Baxers, their soups are getting good. It's always interesting to me what really sort of sets you off. I feel like this could be your tour. What suit? Yeah. So anyway, listen, we've done, I was at Nas. Anyway, yeah, you said you were hanging out with Nas. No, I wasn't hanging out with Nas. So Nas is doing a gig at the Royal Albert Hall, right? You've met Nas though, right? You've interviewed him? No, never interviewed Nas. So he does the gig and it's an amazing gig, right?

So anyway, a couple of weeks ago, I got approached by, I think again, as many of the cooler things in my life, this is sort of sorted via Martin Too Smooth. But Soho House said, can you do a history of hip hop set? Nas is coming to do like a PA at Soho House, right? So could you do a history of hip-hop set, get the crowd kind of warmed up and then introduce on Nas he's gonna do a short set. You're opening for Nas now? Mate, it's like a little private

party thing, do you know what I mean? At Soho House, the coolest place in London. Okay, well if you want to frame it like that you can do do. Can I just say the difference between me and you right you're having to go at me about stuff I'm sitting here fucking raving about the ups and downs of soup and you're opening finals. Yeah but not this is but you listen it's all going to come crashing down. By the way so House I bet they do a nice soup. I bet they do yeah I bet they do um anyway so first of all I've decided. actually can I say I'm interested in one last thing You know you do all the your co labs and stuff Oh, but I need to your penguin jumpers lovely. I need to stick I should put down to that shit

Yeah, I mean, I mean you post immediately when you have a nice pie. I've sent you a fucking Charity hoodie and you can't be asked the fucking post about it. I only arrived yesterday Yeah, everyone else got theirs earlier No, they didn't secondly It only arrived yesterday. I've seen you post when you still got the fucking steak and dripping around your chops No, but you know you do your co-labs with stuff you've done your pizza co-lab all that see if you can talk me out a suit Co-lab with someone. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay, that would be a Christmas present for me I'd love to see so really has been a

Fuck you know it could be because you've got big soup big Tom's big soup Heinz get on it, please And I'll give the money to the homelessness or karma whatever I think they're just they're gonna they're gonna take this episode of The Wall for now and they're gonna use it for students to just set an example of hyperfixation. Because now we can't go for 10 seconds now without you fucking talking about soup. I think I've got quite a good face.

I haven't got a good face for many things, but I've got a good soup face. Yeah. Show me, can you do me a favor right now? I know this is a podcast and I'm often not having a go at you for doing visual things on an audio, but could you just, okay, so we'll probably wait wait wait wait I haven't I haven't said what I'm asking you to do. I wanted to imagine in like a super right

Yeah, you got a bowl of soup in front of you you sort of sit down Take a spoon of it and you can do a little bit of commentary or ever because obviously we're in a podcast and then like your little kind of Confirmation you've had and enjoyed the soup afters and you can do a little bit of commentary or whatever, because obviously we're on a podcast. And then like your little kind of confirmation that you've had and enjoyed the soup afterwards and you can give it as much as you want. All right, are you ready? Whenever you're ready. First of all, what flavor soup is this?

So are we just... Ox tail. Ox tail, okay, great. Go for it, whenever you're ready. Of course I love you. I've just had a really hard day at work. It's like nothing's going right for me. I love you too. I've made you your favorite soup. No even soup can cheer me up today

That's I would say it's flirting on the edges of giving us a window into an abusive relationship, if I'm being honest. Yeah, but you've got to really push the... Yeah, you've got to push this put-upon-woman... What about if I did this at the end? Okay, go on. Oh, God, the face. Okay, go on. The face.

Is your soup okay? Soup's great. You're even better. Thank you. Yeah, I love you. I love you too. I don't okay. A couple of notes if I was the the marketing campaign. They're never gonna let you say the soup's great. Okay a couple of notes if I was the the marketing campaign They're never gonna let you say the soups great. You're even better What would happen is you'd say that and they go um loved it absolutely loved it. Just a quick one Is it possible to sort of refrain from referring to your partners better than the suit because it is sort of

We are trying to sort of sell the idea that the soup is really wonderful. So for you to sort of say the soup's great, but obviously that's a partner. And we understand that the soup's not good. I'll take your note, I'll take your note. Here we go, here we go. Okay. I love you, thank you so much. You're amazing.

But the soup's even better not but do you know what I think that could actually work well if I look to the super way if I look to the super way yeah but you're even better there you go Heinz big soup cut that's the wrap Prince it that is that's the advert writer Anyway, sorry, so so ask I can you come and do this nothing so go right so anyway as you know I don't know how much I talked about it. I think I'm done with alcohol. All right, so yeah last night I'm not drinking at all, right? So it's the first time I've done one of these,

because the whole point of doing this set is to get the crowd up and stuff like that. And it's Soho House. I got there straight after the show and it's like a little bit, everyone's a little bit reserved. It's only just after 10 o'clock, do you know what I mean? And it's like a bit.

That's how Soho House can be. Yes, yeah. It's very, you know, Soho her house right? So I start doing the thing and Shout out Rob Percy by the way Martin's in Japan. So it's me and Rob Percy Rob Percy unbelievable All right So great guy we start but it's an amazing thing that the party starts a lot warm up as we're doing it We start getting the crowd into a good place and obviously it's getting later as well people are drinking and stuff So it's not we get to a point where it starts like properly popping off. Do I mean?

It's like it's great and then I'm waiting to like we're waiting for an Oz obviously Royal Albert Hall He's probably having a few drinks or whatever So we're just waiting for him to come over and do this thing right and by the way Tom Anybody I know you know this but anybody that knows anything about me knows that I love NARS right that this is like This is like a big thing. Opportunity. Not opportunity, it's not an opportunity, but it's like a cool thing. I'm not trying to pile it into a career thing, I'm just like enjoying... What do you mean you're not just... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up. You've very much segwayed yourself

into being like a sort of hip hop, so I mean, you're here comedy wise, you're top bill, right, you're headline, by far. You've now started at the bottom of a pile of warming up and doing your own hip hop things. You've very much got your eye on the prize for becoming, I think, a hip hop, like sort of like fucking A-side as well.

You wanna, you know, so that you're warming up for Nars. It's a big, yeah, you, come on. I told you my dream about promoting Soup. I know for a fact that you in your back pocket at Segway at some point, there's gonna be a Segway in and you will literally go like that. And all of a sudden you'll go, well, Frank and Nathan's got an amazing album out.

We both know it's gonna happen at some point, right? And that's a part of this. That's a little, that, that, whether I bring an album out or not. What you want anyone is this, is Nas going, hey, a great gig tonight. Thank you, Sower House, guy who works for Sower House. We thought it was amazing. Who's the kid who warmed up for me? He was fucking amazing. I'd appreciate if you didn't call me kid, actually. I'm an adult. Oh, I didn't realize you spoke like that. You don't speak like that when you're doing your set.

Yeah, I know. I'm putting a voice where I'm, yeah. How you doing? What's going on? It's Robert Svangernayton and this is the Hip Hop Tour! Yeah. So basically it got delayed a little bit because nobody could find out where Nas is, right? So Rob and I are kind of like extending the set or whatever because he's sort of... and understandably so he's just done a show I had to do that if it's chronological So you start at the beginning of hip-hop, right? It's a journey we were kind of just playing all of the big chains German so jumping all over the place. So um

Nas arrives and His security guy like all his tour manager wherever I don't I don't know what the official job title is this big American guy comes over and he points at me and Excited yeah, he points to me and he says to Rob who the fuck is that guy? Right Okay In the moment Rob is clearly more of the world than you are. In the security guards opinion he looks at Robert goes this guy's one of us I don't know about

this. Well it turns out that the guy was just like very angry that I was on stage talking on the mic right. so he calls me over and he goes He beckons you over beckons me over off stage by the way He calls me over and he goes where's Nas's mic? Right and I go I mean obviously I'm not in charge. Are you using Nas's mic? No Well, I mean I was but I'm look No. Well, I mean, I was, but I'm, look, I'm... Oh my God. Tom, listen, this is a really bad story, right?

Not a bad story. He calls me over and he goes, where's Nas' mic? And I'm not in charge of mics, all right? I've walked on the society stage and somebody's gone, this is your mic for the evening, right? I've not gone over to, I've not broken a glass case that says Nazir Jones and started using that microphone. But you're on a Scooby Doo movie.

Yeah, I've been given the microphone, right? So one of the sound guys goes, oh, Ramesh is going to hand the mic to him. And he goes, and he looks at me and he goes, this guy's been talking into his mic for the last hour. There's no fucking way Naz is using this, mate you have to get an alcohol wipe or some shit and get that cleaned up because he ain't using this microphone. Oh my god. I'm stood right there. You've got halitosis. Yeah I'm stood right there by the way right it's fucking mad and then I go back on stage he calls me back over and he goes let me tell you something. What's

he doing by the way when you're on stage and he's just beckoning you over like you're a dog. He's just atckoning you over like you're a dog. Just at the start, mate, it was mad. It was mad. This guy sounds an absolute hellmate. Do you know what I'd love to have been there? It's just fucking I'd be there as your tour manager, straight security guard and go, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Like fucking you got a problem. Just talk to me, you big douchebag. Yeah. Listen, I would love to see you do that, but I think what you would do is go, to be honest with you, I thought he was a bit of a fucking melt as well. She's like, I'm so sorry about this, it's an embarrassment to, he's trying to,

you know what, he's done well in comedy, and now he thinks he could do something in hip hop, he's actually quite pathetic. Anyway, he calls me back over, and he goes, you're not introducing Nas. He goes, I don't need you, he goes, get off the stage, we don't need you on the stage. He goes, you're not introducing Nas. He goes, I don't need you. He goes, don't, get off the stage. Like, we don't need you on the stage.

He goes, just come off. Even though you'd been doing longer than you should have for Nas. Yeah, yeah. And he just goes, just come off the stage. Just come off the stage, we don't need you. He goes, take the microphone. He goes to one of the guys,

you need to clean this microphone up before Nas is even gonna touch it. All right. And he goes, just don't, don't go back on. He goes, you're done. He goes, you're done. He goes, you're done. Right? So I go, okay.

We like, you know, whatever. And then apparently he goes up to Rob, he goes, who the fuck was that? He doesn't know Rob either, by the way, but Rob's DJing for Nas, right? So like Rob's staying on to play the tracks for Nas. So he goes, who the fuck was that guy? And Rob goes, he's a comedian from the UK.

And he goes, yeah, he needs to get like, just I don't want him anywhere near the stage now. Like just like. Wow. So I go off into the crowd. It was mate. I actually now feel sick. I feel so bad. I come off the stage. Nas' entourage have seen me be spoken to like this. I'm like, fucking I've, I'm like, I've got a disease. Like they don't wanna, you know when you're talking about the other day about like when you were a shit. They're not even, they can't even make eye contact with me. It's just rank, do you know what I mean?

I walk off into the crowd to go and watch the set because I know Nas is about to come on. And I got to the back and I just watched, I watched the set and the set's unbelievable. And somebody goes to me, oh, do you wanna like, I can't remember what somebody goes, I would like you to go say hello to, I said, listen man, I am, I think my involvement

in this evening is over. Now to give full information here and to be fair, the guys at Sower house was so apologetic Like they came over like they come over and they go We're so sorry that happened and we we heard about that is you shouldn't be treated like that I did it but but at the end of the day, it's not their fault. Jimmy like that Let's notice one big fucking turds fault. It's going what an asshole. Well, I've been reading this book recently The what's it called? Ego is the enemy. It's an incredible book, right?

And when it happened There's part of me that obviously it was like I'm not gonna lie to you. It was quite an embarrassing Scenario, it's wrong. Well, I will I've jested because I didn't expect that to be the end I thought there's a to be a better book. That is one of the most horrible things I've ever, I've had that happen to me at warm up sets where you're warming up for a, you know, I had that happen to me on loose women, which is arguably is lower. But, but, but can I say, right, that is genuinely one of my bullying, horrible things.

Like that is just vile behavior It's awful conduct from him. Well, I like I don't know where you're gonna go You ego thing his ego needs to check himself because that is just terrible The reason I mentioned this book is because I've been reading at the moment and it's helped I found it very very useful in not getting upset about things Actually, it's helped me to not get annoyed about things or annoyed about things. It's been a really insightful little book actually. Anyway, in that moment, and I do think the reason I mention this book is because I think it's because I've been reading the book that I was able to put myself in that place. I was able to immediately go, this

guy doesn't know who the hell I am. He's turned up and he's seen some guy, he didn't know that this guy was going to be. He's on the mic that my client is supposed to be using right they're telling me that he's going to be using this mic I don't know who the fuck this guy's I didn't know he's going to be on stage and his job is to protect Nas and look after him right if you think of it from that point of view actually you sort of go okay not like don't get me wrong it wasn't pleasant for me right it was not pleasant there's no getting around that. But at the end of the day,

this guy is looking out for the person that he's been on tour with across the world. Can I just say, I agree with you to an extent, right? I do agree, but I sort of do, I don't, because I actually think the truth of it, right, is number one, you get there, you turn to someone who's running the event before you go over to you and do what you do and go, who's that guy on stage?

He's doing a warmup set to get the crowd pumping because the crowd in here was pretty fucking, they were pretty muted and they're pumping now, Nas can go on and it's a great room. He's really fucking set this room up for Nas to have a great, yeah, so number one, he could ask someone else rather than standing on the stage and beckoning you over like you're a dog, right? Twice, right? He could also, if he has been touring with Nas, come in and go, I'd assume that he's seen a few live shows in his life. So he could turn around and go, oh, this guy is actually

fucking warming up the crowd. He's not just a fucking guy who's like going, oh, this crowd looks a bit fucking quiet. Let me just jump on stage and just fucking get Naz's DJ to play some hip hop tracks, right? I think with someone who's the size of Naz that the guy touring with him has got an idea of how fucking live performance works, right? And thirdly, when you have actually, as you always are, because you're a fucking great guy, have been quite amicable to his toxic and disgusting behaviour and given him the mic that he's fucking bullied you to give him. After you've had to do an elongated fucking performance because his fucking guy's late and then you've

fucking turned your tail and walked back into the crowd where you should have been standing by the side of the stage watching Naz who you fucking love. You've gone and felt so fucking embarrassed you've had to go to the back He said it should at that point have gone well Maybe I'm being a bit of a here But instead what he's done is turn to the guy that you're fucking do DJing for you and go who the fuck is that guy? Yeah, yeah, and all of that stuff this guy is a toxic piece of shit that by the way Can I say is everything that is wrong with our industry in one person?

can I say is everything that is wrong with our industry in one person. When you talk about ego, his ego is in fact, he's a talentless fucking drone who fucking lurks around more famous more talented people and he's fucking nothing. He literally just walks around bullying and fucking being vile to people and no one pulls him up on it. Well, do you know what? Two things, thoughts and stuff, is one, I didn't react angrily, I just thought, do you know what it is, what it is, like who, you know, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

But the other thing I thought was, I was thinking about going up to him afters and going, can I recommend the ego is the enemy? I think you'll find it quite a useful little read in your ongoing life. He would have, by the way, taken that to him and gone, hey, fucking check yourself, man. Do you know one thing I will say? respect you massively because I would have never said to me that I would have been

my reaction would have been the same but I would never have stayed for Nasty's gig. I'd have been so wounded like a pathetic bird. I'd have gone home and got myself a big soup. Yeah but actually what happened was I I sort of got it because I'd sort of been on stage Well, she didn't get to meet Nads and you've done this massive favor, but after that, I just thought I can't I don't even want to Of course you did because you'd be bullied Yeah but also what I would say is to qualify that is I don't really like meeting people like that anyway not because Because there's so many heroes. Yeah, all of that. So

Yeah, it was like Nas's so many heroes. Yeah all of that. So Yeah, it was like Nazi set was great. But um, yeah, it was just a bit of Another thing that happened by the way this in keeping with like inviting your mates to stuff, right? I got I got four or five of my friends guest list who are massive nice fans oh my god you have friends there when that happened yeah yeah and one of them comes one of them by the way beckons me over I'm on stage by the way Tom with a mic right with Nasus what's going on with people beckoning you over he beckons me over you know he said to me my this is a mate of mine that I've guest listed into the venue right he goes to me this is a mate of mine that I've guest listed into the venue right

he goes to me um the cloakroom's fault and I go okay and then he goes can you take my coat what I've seen I've only I've not been to because I've not been invited to but I've seen a lot of footage of you doing these right I've spoken to Martin about them I've spoken to Gratz about them they're very high energy affairs they're like really quite incredible to any, I'd say to anyone if you can see them, you should watch. It's not like, I mean, it would be awful to stand up, but the idea that you're, people are in a place, that's by the way, that's when you're in a smaller room

than like, yeah, it's quite an informal, chilled room. Yeah, I mean, what's happened is, Tom, is I'm watching, gone from watching Nas and sort of doing a set before he comes on to in quick succession being told to take someone's coat and then get the fuck off stage. I mean it was like... By the way I will say this if that guy, if it's a tour manager the only bit of defense I have for him is if he is watching you from the side of the stage and you're now taking people's coats and putting them behind a DJ's head. He's like what the fuck is this guy doing? In my defense I didn't take the cut. I did say to my friend, there's no cloakroom back here.

I don't know why you've called me over here to take your coat. Are you mad? He looked so incredulous at me like I said something. Can I say by the way, So House, I've had a jacket taken from So House. Oh. So yeah. I was doing a gig there. Shout out Phil Wang, he was also on the bill. Not to say Phil Wang took my jacket. I saw him the other day. Oh shit, I was about to do that joke. That's a shame. Phil Wang walking around in a massive jacket. It's like the kid out of Big. I had no idea that Phil Wang was such a big stony fan. Phil Wang and a stone island puffer. Eight sizes too big for him.

Actually, Phil Wang's got a big chap. He's about your size, isn't he, Phil Wang? Walking around like a road man, Arsene Wenger. A massive guy. But I'd put my jacket on the back of a chair. And I'd put my like on the back of the chair to watch Phil. In the crowd? Yeah in the crowd because I'd done my bit set and I went to think who was comparing. Anyhow, I come back to the chair. Because otherwise I won't understand

the jacket part of this story. I go back. I try to really annoy him. I'm usually pretty good. I can't remember for the life of me who was comparing. OK. Jesus Christ, it's like a story from your Nana. It doesn't matter.

And I come back to the chair and my jacket's gone So how long had you left it unattended for? Long enough for Phil way to have done his set the compeds come out call a break me to run backstage until Phil Wang how much I enjoyed his set leaving the coat so you hadn't checked for the leader guys Yeah, but I think I'm in a fucking members club. No one's gonna take it. I get no this I'm not putting the blame. I'm not victim not victimizing it. So the adulation, I'm there with Phil Wang. I'm telling Phil Wang, fucking smashed it. Really fucking enjoyed it. Great gig. Really fucking great. Yeah. And then go back to watch whoever's headlining. Again, can't remember. And yeah, excitedly had a great

interaction with Phil Wang. Enjoyed Phil Wang's conversation as always. I get back to the table. Boom. Do you want to go for a drink Phil like honestly I think don't touch your cup of soup do you Phil let me let me let me just go grab my coat let me just grab my coat oh you look oh fuck oh fuck my life oh no oh no what's happening again Phil didn't join Phil didn't join the search party he just slipped off. Phil, I need you on this mate. Phil, I need you to work for me on the jacket here Phil. I think we dodged a bullet here. This silly old **** got his coat nicked.

Let's get the **** out of here. We've got to go back to his bed sit to drink big soup. Just heckling you as he walks out. Maybe you can warm yourself up with a bit of oxtail, you twat. See you later. Michelle Desswort did help in the search on the jacket. Oh, that's nice. It should be in the Queen's years.

It's difficult in those situations because you're obviously very upset about your coat, but you've also got to be socially nice to the people that sort of... Yeah, but I knew Michelle Desswort a lot better. I don't think that I did Phil Wang. Phil Wang, I was kind of fanboying over a bit and he didn't know me as well. So it's a bit weird for Phil to have someone who's got a big sort of B.O. lad in arm, wrapped around Phil Wang. Telling him how amazing he is. That it'd be nice if he could go around. I met Tom Davis the other night. Oh yeah, what was he like? Well, he's alright. I mean, look, he did his gig and it was fine.

He's doing some nice stuff and then I went on and You know I've said a better gig than Tom. I mean I went Backstage and Tom come over and he was very like really effusive about the set and stuff He's really nice guy and then he went off for a little bit He sort of made a suggestion that we should go for a drink. I immediately start to panic obviously Because he's known in the industry for doing this sort of latching on like a horrible fucking barnacle. I found it weird that he didn't suggest a pipe he suggested going to get some soups that way. Yeah and then he said maybe like if we see how the night goes on maybe we could find a hotel and like sleep over whatever so that we don't have to we don't have to bring it to an end and then

he came back in about 10 minutes later and he was just sort of crying. No no no Phil was leaving Phil was walking and I grabbed his arm and said Phil my jacket mate my jacket. By the way, listen, I don't know what you say is true. No, I can't remember. Yeah, but no, it's a true story. Yeah, I know that, but you didn't grab him and go, my jacket, my jacket, did you? No, we were both sort of leaving and I went, my fucking jacket, mate, I can't find my jacket. And he was like, he had another gig. To be fed to Phil, he had another gig. He

was done with it. He had another gig. And then Michelle came out and Michelle, Michelle, by the way, I adore Michelle. Michelle was very much, it was good cop, bad cop. She was starting to sort of like, yeah, she went in. She was here. They found it. But let's just say that's not, you know, that's not so her house's fault, is it?

That's not so her house's fault. I'm just saying, well, it's one of their members' faults. Yeah. Okay, do you want to do some emails? We've done emails for ages, I feel bad. I think you're gonna like some of these. Well, okay. Okay. This is from the peaceful pigeon. Oh, nice. I love it when they give a yeah, I throw away

I feel at home in this person. There's a now Tom. Do you remember? We were talking about the world food aisle Yeah, yeah very much talking about sort of how you you sort of see going to the world food are the sort of a Substitute for actually traveling to these countries Yeah, and you wondered in your sort of in your classic sort of Tom way about whether Um, I might as you call my next tour this I have a sense of wonder Okay, I mean have a word Russell Howard about it. But yeah, it sounds good

Okay, so that was towards called at the moment. Well, he did it his podcast called wonder box, isn't it? Okay, I think it will ask you about it because he's thought about it. No, no, I'm just saying Russell's beat me to it. He's fucking good on Russell. Anyway, so you you wondered if they were the reverse is true okay so Hi guys I'm originally from Reading but I live in Prague. Wow. Tom, Tom. Okay that's not the end of the email by the way, so okay Okay, you don't have to give a reaction yet. Okay, so So I might be interested to know that my local supermarket I don't and I don't live in a touristy or expat area as a world food aisle that does have British products

alongside your curry pastes, sushi kits, and taco seasoning, et cetera, you will find Marmite, Iron Brew, Digestives, PG Tips, and more. Unfortunately, the selection has taken a hammering since Brexit, so I'm desperately craving chicken and mushroom pot noodles and HP sauce these days. But that is not all. This will really blow your minds.

Every few months, Lidl will have an English week in all of their shops nationwide where they sell bacon, cheddar, salt and vinegar crisps, shortbread and their own brand of brown sauce and other condiments. So you can take pride in the fact that there are people all over the Czech Republic enjoying the finest British cuisine in their homes. All the best, love the podcast. Peaceful pigeon. Right, peaceful pigeon. Shout out, that's incredible. Isn't it?

They're actually really, I'm proud about that. Oh yeah. Rather peaceful pigeon shout out. That's incredible. Isn't it? That's you really I'm proud about that Oh, yeah, also about say pot noodles. Yeah pot noodles of stable bit my dark alongside big soups for a long time Yeah, you didn't you just live excholisically a pot noodle for about 15 years in the teeth. No, no, no, no It was from 07 to 010 Cuz I do still think that that's my big one of my I think us and the Scandinavians are kings of the bacon. I've talked about this before the crappy bacon that you get in a lot of other countries. It's one thing I'm always proud of. I know that thin horrible bacon. It's almost like it's not fit to be in a frying pan. I bacon I'm I'm proud of you know, yeah, no good for you man.

Okay. Yeah, no good for you, man. Okay. That's a nice thing. You know what, it set me up. That actually tell you what, that email has given me the warmth that usually only touch bits of me that only usually a cup of soup can do. Okay, very good. Very, very good. Okay, this is from Oh, wow. This is a big shout. Wow. Okay. This is from the wolf 2.0 Wow

I thought that would be your reaction Dear wolf al swan and cat I have a dilemma only you guys can help with I think it's unlikely I met an amazing girl traveling Southeast Asia at the start of the year. Okay, can I first say you're not wolf 2.0 Southeast Asia at the start of the year. Okay, can I first say, you're not wolf 2.0. If this is the case. Yeah, the closest I've got to traveling in Southeast Asia is walking down the foreign food aisle. Southeast Asia and meeting a girl.

This doesn't sound very, this doesn't sound very wolfy to me. Okay, I met an amazing girl traveling in Southeast Asia at the start of the year. Our romance blossomed and we traveled for four months together and fell in love. She introduced me to the animal pack and we listened to it together on our travel days and had our own private jokes relating to the podcast. Oh, here we go. This makes sense. We started referring to ourselves as the wolf and owl and saying

that we love each other to our bones. Wow. This is so nice. That is so nice. Since returning home, we would continue the romance, but I soon realized we were very much in different stages of our lives. The Al 2.0 is 24, and very much still in her partying phase. I'm 29 and I'm very much more settled and focused on my career.

I therefore, despite loving her very much, reluctantly ended the relationship recently. Oh no, oh no. Yeah, actually this is, there's got quite a lot of parallels between the actual... Well no, in a sense, in this situation, I suppose it is, yeah, because you are the owl, you like partying even though you are like two or three years older than me, but you are still out partying. No, no, no, no, no, okay, first of all, I'm not two or three years older than you, second of all, you've got it in reverse. The Wolf 2.0 is

older than the Owl 2.0 in this story. Yeah, yeah, but that's what I mean. But apart from that, the Owl likes partying, you love partying, the Wolf is very chill and sort of like, you know, likes to be at home. Yeah, the Wolf is focused on the career, might have to end the relationship. That feels a lot like what's going to happen like that with us. I'm never in this relationship, it's my favorite thing in the world. You should not see me, you are my human soup. God, that's disgusting, that's how I describe a bath actually.

I'd love to bathe in nice warm soup and then eat the soup as you're in the bath. Yeah, yeah, what a disgusting image. Just cat watching as you come in with 150 cans of Oxtail Excuse me darling, we're gonna need all the pads in the house on the Hobbs now I'm 29 and 29 are very much more certain of X. Okay. I Didn't want to hold her back in this phase of her life I hope we could be together in the future at the expense of some upset now

It's very noble of you very wolf thing to do. Yes as Tom would say I digress My question is I bought tickets to your Christmas live show as a surprise for her Do you think I should still invite her despite her being very hurt at me ending the relationship and at risk of confusing the situation Further I can't imagine attending with anyone but her but want to make sure I'm doing the right thing would appreciate the wolf and ours Expert opinion. Thank you so much for bringing so much joy to our lives. You sweet sweet souls the wolf 2.0 so quite tricky one. No my canine brother firstly on this? Yo, my K9 brother. Firstly, well, I will say that this is actually a very, very sweet email, but also kind of makes me feel sort of sad. I've been, well, I wrote a show

about it, but I've been the person that's been finished with on many a time, for many a reason, but also because people didn't think that I was ready to settle down and so, so to speak, or that they thought I was... So difficult to tie this guy down, guys. No, no, no. It was more that I was probably spending too much time in a pub. Okay. Slightly darker.

So, so in answer to your question, number one, I think it's a beautiful thing and it makes me very happy. It always does when people ever mention that they listen to this podcast. But there's a part of me that I don't know, there's a part of me and I don't want, I agree about giving someone false hope. I think that the very mere thing, number one, that you've written to the podcast with the idea that we might read this out and that she might listen to it. Hopefully, you know, both days the fact that then she's going to hear the fact that you've said what you say. I think there is kind of maybe there is some sort of unfinished business. I think it sounds like you had an amazing time. And I've like

most people have had times in my life where circumstance and you've had a relationship that's incredible. And then your normality kicks back in and you're a little bit like oh this isn't quite what it was but I will say that um like it seems to me that even if you can just get a friendship out of this because you've shared an amazing amount of memories you've you clearly get on you have a laugh together and maybe sort of the olive branch of saying that it would be lovely to hang out and come to the Christmas show together and even if that is just a friendship that gets built from this amazing time together. If I'm going to be really honest, there's

relationships in my life that I've had that ended or and usually again, you know, ended with someone else. Ended them. But even the ones that I did, I sort of, I sort of wish sometimes that I'd sort of been a bit more adult in myself or, you know, realise that the things that you share with people, if they end quite amicably is the happy memories that you shared and that sometimes it's worth just being like, you know, that was a lovely thing. And, you know, being able to just sort of chat and reminisce and stuff, it's stuff that almost chunks

of your life can go missing. And like, you know, like films that you see that you can't really remember or discuss with anyone because you sort of let those bits go and actually sort of trying to sort of end any relationship with a positive is a good thing. So I'd reach out, if you're conscious about confusing the matter,

I'd sort of make that clear in itself that it's very much a friendship and that you miss that person for being a positive in your life. It's hard to find positive and I know Ramesh is making light of things, but in this podcast and just in... No, no, no, but you're joking about this podcast, but the thought of my life with Ramesh not in it is a thought that makes me quite teary even saying about it. He's a positive person and I think when you get older in life and you've navigated through a lot of dickheads,

it's when you find people that make you feel good about yourself and a bit better about the world, hold on to them. That's beautiful, Tomo. That's really beautiful. I mean it every word, my brother. Okay, it's very difficult to properly give you advice on this. But what I would say is, I don't think it's a bad thing. Okay, whenever anybody explains a breakup, your human nature is that you kind of, you naturally downplay what you might have done, do you know what I mean?

Or you might have like, and I'm not saying you're misreporting what's happened, but what I can take from what you've said, and you know, if I'm reading in between the lines, is that she is very upset about this. And you know, she is always very upsetting if you think you're in a good place to somebody and they decide that they don't want to be with you for whatever reason. And actually, I can imagine it's almost slightly trickier for the reason that you've given because what you've said is that you're in different stages of your life and she's probably thinking, well, I think we can still work through that.

And you'll say, I think we can still we can work through that. And you'll say no, we can't. And when rejection is, and particularly when you're really, really into somebody, or in love with somebody, I don't know how you know how far down that road you went. But it's very difficult to to take that hurt. It's very, it's, it's really, really really upsetting So I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think it's wrong to invite her But I don't think you should expect anything from her in terms of accepting that invitation. I think it's very very difficult as I said to to to be broken up with and And I think actually weird it's more difficult to be breaking up with the reasons that you've broken up with, because I imagine she's probably thinking, let's please try and make this work.

And you've said, no, I don't think so. And that's fair. That's well within your rights to do that. But at the same time, you just have to respect their feelings on that. So I would say to you, look, as Tom said, it would be wonderful if this could be, if The Wolf and Our live show could be the first stepping stone into you forming whatever the new look of the new framework of your relationship might be. It would be incredible if you could achieve that. But I just want to caveat that with saying if she says no, just understand that that's coming from, you know, that's not necessarily coming from a bad place, that's coming from a place of her feeling very, very hurt. And, you know, don't, you

know, don't, I guess, lower your expectations in a way. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. She said, I'd rather not do that because actually the Wolf and Al is like supercharged in your relationship and it's, you know, it might be something that she wants a break from. So there you go. Good luck to you. I'm sorry that you're heavily advised man. Lovely advice. Okay, just a quick one here. Dear Wolf and I'll just to touch on the premature death of sloth. This is because we Oh, by the way, I made a real cock up. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what I'm about to say?

Yeah, I know. So yeah, I got? Yeah, I do. I saw it. I got quite a few people messaging me about it. So, Tom mentioned the fact that Josh Brolin was in the Goonies. And I said, oh, wasn't he one of the Santini's? In a blag, basically, because I didn't know. I was trying to sort of... A lot of people messaged me saying, has Rom even seen the Goonies? Yeah, I mean, look, I have seen to sort of a lot of people mess with me saying his from even seen the goonies Yeah, I mean look I have seen the goonies If I hadn't seen the goonies, it's not the biggest slam I've ever received

But Love the idea by the way of that big God that's his security guard someone going who's that guy? That's Rama Shrig the guy who's there even see the goonies the guy the guy that thinks is a Santini's that fucking asshole what the guy who thought just rolling was one of the fucking Santini's that little slob yeah so anyway that that the after the podcast went out somebody pointed out to me quite nicely by the way it wasn't in a horrible way that it was actually the Fratellis, not the Santis. So apologies for that. Look, factually, as you know, we play very fast and loose with the truth on this podcast. We're much

like the Trump campaign. But I want to apologize for any upset we caused. I have seen the Goonies numerous times. I think what you should do as almost a beautiful punishment is, I know you're off to the cinema tonight, but maybe when you get back from the cinema, you get an extra popcorn, get back, hit that big show for yours with the boys, cuddle fest, and watch the Goonies. Yeah, maybe I might do that. I might do that by way of an apology and making right some of the wrongs I've committed. I apologize. I deeply, deeply apologize.

So we talked about Sloth and then we looked up the actor and we found out that he'd passed away like a few years after the Goonies. Dear Wolf, now just to touch on the premature death of Sloth, he actually died of an opioid overdose. And then he's gone to say so the wolf doesn't need to worry. It's still quite sad. By the way, opioids, I wonder if that was painkillers because of his body hurting.

Yeah, possibly, yeah. And I think, you know, in keeping with what we've done previously about the Gunnys, let's just speculate about the man's death, shall we? Without any real facts. OK, that could be a part. I could play the apt to played sloth. I've got a sad part. Yeah, yeah. Listen, we're always looking for career opportunities, aren't we? So why not try and take advantage of a guy's premature death?

It makes sense. I feel classy. OK, this email is from Mother Hen. Okay. And Mother Hen says- It's a very bird always. It's a very birdy sort sort of you've had a pigeon. We've had a head. Yeah No, you're absolutely right. The last email service from the anxious giraffe. I should say this No, I wasn't saying it's undermine you I just said I wanted to give credit to the birds. There's two Let me be clear I wasn't I wasn't trying to undermine what you were saying. It has been birdie. I wanted to email in and say, I think your podcast is great.

I've listened for ages. If you had to always wear dungarees, always wear crocs without socks underneath, which would you pick? Aside from this item, you can wear whatever you want. I became a mom a year and a half ago. I absolutely love it. Now I'm settling into things more. I'm starting to think about my future.

I've always loved photography as a hobby, but was too nervous to take the leap professionally. I want my son to grow up. So there's two elements to this. I want my son to grow up knowing it's never too late to have a go at something you've always wanted to do. And I'd love for him to see me succeed. I'm going to shoot my shot here and ask

if I could photograph the wall for now, perhaps at a gig, either together or separately. I'm happy to travel and would really really appreciate the opportunity thank you mother hen." Okay so there's there's two bits of that. Tom, Crocs or you've sort of borrowed your face into your top there. I'm doing some thinking and also yeah I mean there's also self-deliberation when I listen to all these emails, I don't just listen, I soak them in. Okay, let's do the first reason or Crocs question. That's an easy one for me. It's probably the easiest question I've ever had Crocs all day long. Okay. Dungarees was can be

I'm not that's what it's a look I've tried and very quickly known that dungarees don't work for me. Number one, because they never make dungarees for my body shape. Okay. My legs aren't that long. My legs are long, obviously, but it's my upper half that's longer. So what happens is I end up constantly just walking around

with it like a moose knuckle. You need more dungare and less re, really, don't you, proportionally? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you got any dungarees with a re? I need a set of dungarees with a really long dunga please. Dungarees can I say if anything when you come to a guy of my size or something needs to be bespoke and carefully manufactured otherwise I just end up

walking around like I'm being cut slowly sort of like K2. Nobody wants to see an adult baby bopping around don't they? No and also I love crocs I've got the to say. I've got the Addy croc, I love the Addy croc. It's a firm, it's not a croc, I mean, it's a firm friend of mine. In fact, I'm wearing them now, but Addy crocs are not crocs, are they? That's kind of a-

Yeah, but everybody in the crocs, so yeah, I could easily make that leap from croc-wise to another croc. Yeah. Yourself, Ron? Well, I find myself with a foot in both camps here because, one, Theo and Charlie are both the proud owners of crocs now, okay? And they're both rocking them pretty beautifully, I've got to say. And it's now caused me to decide that I'm going to dabble into

the world of, I'm going to buy a pair of crocs, I think. They look comfortable. I think, you know, they'd be perfect for like a little trip to the cinema like I'm going on later a pair of Crocs, I think. They look comfortable. I think they'd be perfect for a little trip to the cinema like I'm going on later on today. Do you know what I mean? Just throw on a pair of Crocs head over there. So I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a pair of Crocs. Equally, when Rob and I did Rob and Romesh versus K-pop,

we were in South Korea, and we were looking at different outfits to wear for our performance and in amongst those outfits was a set of dungarees. I asked to keep the dungarees so that I could maybe wear them when I got home. In real life? Yeah. They are one of those garments, and I don't know how many garments you've got like this, where I've repeatedly put them on

as I'm about to leave the house, and then thought better of it before I've walked out the door. Yeah, I've got a number of things like that, yeah. It's a horrible thing where like, it's not horrible. That's a massive exaggeration. But you know the thing where you sort of go, do you know what?

I'm just gonna fuck it. Do you know what I mean? I'm tired of being pigeonholed. I'm gonna I'm gonna wear this This is a bit bright or it's a bit different But I'm gonna wear it you put it on you look in the mirror and you think can I face going outside? And people yeah You know, I think you should do it cuz yeah, I think you can carry off a pair of dungarees I don't think I can I'm fat to discuss that I was gonna say bye I'm worried about me wearing dungarees? You know the beginning of men in black? Well, I got that farmer. Yeah, that's what I think I'd look like. Yeah. Yeah the guy who the aliens get inside his body

I mean sure Yeah, it's a danger for all of us Okay Second part of question second part. Yo mother head, You know, the biggest thing that you can give your kid, I think, is, is try and say that failing and it not working. The thing that, like, I feel that, you know, in life is that we're, everyone's very conscious of the success. And I've talked about this a lot on this podcast and a lot in life.

You've talked a lot about your success, yeah. No, but the failures are the things that have made the success. The failures are the... Sitting here now, the amount of times that I've tried things that haven't worked, and I was consciously trying to do that through my whole life, thinking any way I could to sort of get that little bit ahead in life, anything that I could try to sort of, because, you know, and I still very much feel like I'm, like the, you know, a loser or someone who constantly feels that failure doesn't really ever particularly scares me,

because I think I've failed at more things that I'm ever gonna succeed at, you know, from different sporting endeavors or whatever I've failed at more things that I'm ever going to succeed at, you know, from different sporting endeavors or whatever I've tried. So I actually think showing your child that actually, that being a failure isn't some big scary boogie man, it's just a point in life and a point of sort of trying to become a bit more of a rounded human being and also just going for something and chance in your arm. So I can say that if I don't know where you're based, but if you want to come, like, say on the third of December, we can hook you up with the team and want to come

and take some photos, do some photos there. That'd be great. You know, maybe it would like to be lovely to get what I love. Actually, it's a real nice for my for my wall. It's a real like, you know know like a pose step brother type picture of me and Rom. Like a real pose one. But we haven't really got one of those, that'd be nice.

So, shut, shut, you've hit your target, Rom's got your email, so Rom can link it up or we'll link you up with the team and it'd be great to have you along to take those stills. But don't ever. And also in many ways. And if you have a dream, you've gotta have a dream. If you don't have a dream, you've gotta have a dream

how you're gonna have a dream come true. And that is a beautiful quote I'm gonna give you right there. And can I just say also in terms of photography, thank you for providing us with a little snapshot of the Wolf and Owl podcast dynamic, which is where Tom takes the credit for making the promise and I have to do all the admin.

So there you go. Romsky, come on, everyone's begging it, brother. I've put the fishing line in the water, let's fucking pull out some advice. Yeah, okay. Well look, good luck, mother hen, you're welcome to come to this thing and do some photos. We'll sort it out. 3rd of December, Ali Pally, if. Well look, good luck mother hen, you're welcome to come to this thing and do some photos. We'll sort it out. 3rd December, Ali Patti, if you fancy it, we'll sort it out.

Well look, Tom, that is... Well, it's been a nice one brother. Brings us to the close of this and, you know, often when we do these very early morning ones, of this and you know often when we do these very early morning ones get slightly nervous that we're not going to be in in full at full tilt but um and i think yeah i think we've proven that we're not but it's been a it's been you know that ice bath was worth it this morning i feel the ice bath kicked kicked in just at the right time you've been you've been really on some really wonderful form so well done can i just say it would be i want to shout out a small business yeah please do so let's just let's play the jingling for the regular feature we shout out small business go no but I've had my head turned and my heart

filled by a amazing sandwich shop called Paul Rothen's son is that the one you were queuing up for the other day that you posted? Yeah, it's always got a queue. Hasn't been known to post about the hoodie. Been there since about 1900. This isn't an ad because they don't need ads. It's a beautiful, beautiful place where you can get sandwiches of any ill. Rom, they do great vegan sandwiches. They do a lovely vegan soup. The soups are beautifully crafted. It's a family-run business Paul Roth and son Google it if you fancy a sandwich or just fancy sort of some wholesome bit of cake or a sort of friendly smile and a bit of decency You know, it's it's a perfect winter shop. Okay And I bet it's even amazing in the summer. Yeah So shout out Paul, amazing in the summer. Yeah, I imagine it is so so shout out Paul Paul Woffin, sir

Yeah, okay. All right, Tommy. Is that instead of your closer? Have you got a closer for us as well? No, let's do a closer Words to feed me But sometimes they pick me up Sometimes I'm struggling for a word as you know friends. Sometimes your vocabulary just loses you Sometimes when you bump into a stranger and go to say, hey, sorry, but that was your fault, you actually just go bright red and scuffle down the street. Sometimes the things in which you mean to say come out garbled and misled, misleading the thorough in which you have circumstance with. The truth is words can be painful, words can be wrong, words can be harsh, but a bit that. Words can be meaningful.

They can be helpful. They could be the thing that turns one man's day or a lady's day into something that puts a smile on their face. Hey, thanks friend! That's okay. No, thank you, really. You just made my day. That person goes away with a smile and I guess that's all we can do in life. So when you pick your words from your mouth, your brain, your soul, and the fate of the injury that lives within you, make sure those words are decent and true. And if you're shooting something across the room, make sure it's, hey Brian Brian you're a good guy or Claire you're amazing don't step on bad words they let them fly from your tongue unless the person really deserves it

like a man standing on the side of a stage bullying a guy who's just ripped a hip-hop gig and in that, you can turn around and say, hey, you're a bit more decent friend. That's very good. That's very good. Do you mind if I do a quick plug for this hoodie? Yeah, I in association with Original Penguin have brought a hoodie, all the proceeds of which go to Calm.

So if you just Google Ramesh Penguin, it's got like a little it's a nice hoodie Tom's got one he's not posted it's a really nice it's very well made I've got a say the little logo is very very cool me and Catherine are both actually I was I was knocked sideways with just the quality of it I'm gonna wear it I've not got this morning because I've got the cold plunge I'm wearing my usual cold plunge attire I don't want that to fall in. It's a really nice. I do say I'm thinking I'm gonna sort of Yeah, a little jacket vibe this week. I'll wear it this week. I'll do a shout out. It's cover up the logo. So All the 100% of the profits go to calm

So, you know if you want it, but but you don't have to buy this one. We're talking about Co labs and stuff You know if you want it, but but you don't have to but what we're talking about Co labs and stuff Heinz Baxter's any other soup brands, you know, please get in touch. Please get in touch with with Tom Davis specifically I'm all rubbish because you might have rubbish more than me and rubbish and labor the body. Yeah, but I don't want to suit co-labs So yeah, well flow maybe flow. This is something you should be endeavoring into So yeah, yeah, or maybe our favorite little kid. Antonia could look into it for us. Yo, actually I told you this is something you should be endeavoring into. So yeah. Yeah, or maybe our favorite little kid, Antonia, could look into it for us. Yo, actually, Antonia, this is one for you, kid. Get stuck into that.

Yeah. It's all the big suit brands. Yeah, okay, great. It's only really Baxes and Hines, isn't it? There's more than that. Baxes. There's loads. I mean, there's loads.

Is it no one like Cunninghams or something? I don't know. Big suit brands. UK. lights I mean there's no one like cutting them so something I don't know big soup brands UK this is Campbell's yeah okay yeah Campbell's yeah okay I had to Google that by the way okay so could JT could you play us out with a little bit of NAR so I've got a happy memory of him? Could you play It Ain't Hard To Tell, taken from the classic Alvin Milmatic? Thank you so much guys for listening. And the full name of that song is It Ain't Hard To Tell that your tour manager's an absolute

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