2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - The Undisputed Champion Of Neck Tattoos w/ Cody Rhodes | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

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What's up everybody? It's Tom Segura. We're almost into the new year and I'll be bringing my Come Together Tour to a bunch of more cities in 2025. January 18th, I'll be in Philadelphia. I haven't been there in a while. January 24th, San Francisco. The 25th of January, I'm in Reno. January 30th, I'm in Athens, Georgia. And January 31st, Savannah. February 1st, I'll be in North Charleston. I can't wait to hit all these cities. Get your tickets now at tomscigaro.com slash tour and I will see you there. 100%. Welcome to another episode of Two Bears, One Cave. I'm Tom Heasbert and joining us today, we don't often get to say this, but we're actually being joined by a world champion. So please put your hands together

for the one and only Cody Rhodes, everybody. Cody Rhodes. Right. And then a huge announcement because the platform of Netflix just keeps expanding. But for people who don't know, RAW is going to Netflix on January 6th. And so far sports on the amount of things

that they've done is pretty limited, but it's been a huge hit It's fucking huge man. So congrats lives live sports on Netflix and you know seeing Paul and Tyson and what they're doing at the NFL Christmas. It's it's the direction. It seems like Netflix is going I'm really excited that we've gotten in early Yeah on on it all and and what Raw looks like on Netflix will be very different from what it looks like currently and in a way similar as well, but I'm very excited about it. And you know, I was at the Paul Tyson fight

and if your guys could be anything like that, it'll be really electric. What'd you think of it? It was a dog shit fucking fight. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen. We were fourth row, like this this is going to be fucking amazing. And that undercard with Serrano Taylor, the women. Oh, such a good fight. Yeah.

It was phenomenal. And then that got us even more gassed up. We're like, oh shit, this is going to be fucking nuts. And then we got in there and watched a light sparring match. That was like, what the fuck is this? It was crazy. I know there was like all these conspiracy theories, which is a natural thing that happens. But one thing that I mean, doesn't matter whether you're there or you watch it, is like, it was clear that neither guy pressed. And like, you know, when you watch boxing,

you see people set things up with jabs. And then a jab usually at some moment creates an opening where you attack It's like the basic fundamentals of boxing and you would watch that happen You're like, oh like right here and then by the fifth round you're like, I think they're just gonna hang out like sparring Yep, that's exactly what it looked like Yeah, my only moments with Mike Tyson and I will treasure this moment always he was a Gosh, I think he was just ringside for a match of mine. He was presenting the championship after the match But he saw other wrestlers backstage. Yeah, and he seemed very and I don't say out of it because he was the sweetest

Wonderful person that was very nice to talk to him, but he wasn't saying much and he just kind of seemed to be I Guess deer in headlights a little bit and he's watching all these guys oil up and they're using the bands and they're pumping up very nice to talk to him, but he wasn't saying much. And he just kind of seemed to be, I guess, deer in headlights a little bit. And he's watching all these guys oil up, and they're using the bands, and they're pumping up and all that, and he just looked at me, and I'm getting ready to go out, I'm getting ready to go out. And at the time, I was also in a management position,

so I'm directing something, some shot, something. He looked at me and just said, do I need oil? And I am. Those are those moments where it's like, it's Mike Tyson. Yeah. I want this relationship to be good. So I'm in my mind thinking, what is it? What's what's he thinking?

Sure. Think he does need the oil. Well, then I said, yeah, sure. Sure. Oil up. And and then so he took his shirt off. So now Mike, Mike never had to have a shirt off for this. Mike standing there just looking at me took his shirt off. So now Mike, Mike never had to have his shirt off for this. Mike standing there just looking at me with his shirt off.

And I remember he had like no belt on his jeans too. It's just a lot happening. This is the greatest fighter, you know, potentially ever. And someone I really, really like. But he just took the bottle and kind of went like. You do it. To me. And he put a little on his hands

and he puts them on his chest. But then he turned around. Sure. So just oiled him up. And you know, he looked good. And I've put oil on another wrestler before. This wasn't the strangest thing, but the weirdest thing was right after that,

he just threw his shirt right back on over it. No. And I thought. That's not the point of the fight. What was the point? You know, like, are you pre, are you prepping for you take the shirt? Yeah, a lot of wrestlers might think at this point I'm gonna rip my shirt or whatever But yeah, you're not doing anything now that tonight and I do think he actually got his shirt off at one point

But yeah, I oiled them up. I always felt good about that decision to oil up my might be the best stories I'm like, it's fucking fantastic Like what kind of person would I have been to say no Mike bro? To oil up might be the best stories. That's fucking fantastic What kind of person would I have been to say no Mike bro he I met him on a flight Yeah, and he was a fucking fan of yours. Well, it was a it was a peculiar evolution where I had straight-up panic about Approaching him because I was like, you know, I was listening to like old guys going like, hey Mike, you remember 1987? He was like, yeah. Like just like, I was like, oh, don't be like,

so I just worked up, it was like, it took like, I actually thought of it as courage cause I totally, I was like, don't bother him. But then I was like, you're never, this will never happen. And I gave him, I reached into my bag and at the time I had one special out and I had a DVD and I gave him, I reached into my bag, and at the time I had one special out, and I had a DVD, and I gave it to him. And I was like, I'm a comedian.

And then he was like, he was like, cool, like where are you going right now? I was like, we're both going to Pittsburgh, we're on a plane, you know? So, like that's what we're doing. And he was like, oh, like where's your show? And I was like, it's at the Improv. He was like, where's that? And I was like, it's at the improv. He was like, where's that?

And I was like, I don't know, man. Wherever the Pittsburgh improv is. Like, I don't know the geography of Pittsburgh. And then he was like, oh, cool. And then he gave me a fist bump. And I was thrilled at the interaction. I was like, I had a moment with Mike Tyson. And then I sat down and I'm just like,

I'm literally like my heart's racing, right? Cause like, I felt like it took a lot just to say something. I was like, I'm just like, I'm literally like my heart's racing, right? Cause like I felt like it took a lot just to say something. I was like, I also kind of scared. Cause I didn't know if he was gonna be like, bitch, leave me the fuck alone, right? So I was like, and then I just feel him, this hand grab my shoulder and he's standing above me. He goes, yeah, I know who you are.

And I was like, what? Wow. And he holds the DVD. He's like this picture. I was like, yeah, that's the, I just gave that to you. And so I was like, and then he leans down in my ear. This is almost like your oil thing. He leans down in my ear and I'm like,

what the fuck's he gonna do? And he leans down and he goes, I've been watching a lot of Netflix. That's it. And then he stands up and I was like, me too. What a great. And he goes, yeah. I was like, me too. What a great. And he goes, yeah.

So he goes, give me your number. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. So I give him my number and I'm like, this is, like we land and I just fucking like run off the plane because I don't want anything to go wrong. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, that was that.

He's not, because so many, I've met so many celebrities who are like, give me, I'll give you a call or we should do a thing together and you're like, sure. And so next day phone rings, it's Mike Tyson. Wow. He goes, we're coming to your show tonight. And I go, okay. So I call the club and I'm like, Mike Tyson's

coming to the show. And they're like, sure. Like they don't believe me. And they're like, I'm like, okay. So me. And they're like, I'm like, okay. So then I get to the club. I'm in the green room. There's like 100 people there. It's a Thursday night.

And their manager comes in. He's like, dude, Mike Tyson's here. I was like, I know, dude. I told you. And then he fucking, I can hear him during the show hitting the table while he laughs. Oh, you had him, man. I had him for a second. And then the show hitting the table, he's hitting the table while he laughs. Oh, you had him, man. I had him for a second and then the show ends and he fucking, he grabs me.

He's like, let's go to the green room. So he takes me to my green room and then he just starts smoking cigarettes. And by his like fifth cigarette, he goes, he goes, you got a window? I go, it's a little late for that. It's your fifth fucking cigarette. He goes, you got one window? I go, it's a little late for that. You're a fifth fucking cigarette. He goes, you got one? I go, no. He goes, that's when you'll know you've made it.

When your green room's got a window. He just hung out for an hour. Wow. And I just asked him. I remember telling him, I was like, yeah, you know. It's crazy watching you guys train, like the training videos of those guys. And I just stupidly, I go, you know, like, like Roy Jones Jr. And he goes, yeah, I was like, oh yeah, why did I say him?

Still he. I should say you. Like watching you train. That's like the hat trick of the celebrity, heroic sports figure. Everything went right. It was incredible. You got the number, you got wisdom. Yeah, it was incredible. He told stories and like I would throw out names of boxers and he would be like that guy's a bitch. And I was like, oh my gosh. That's the dream. I have one more actual Mike Tyson moment that I don't know why I have, I guess I've run into Mike on a couple of occasions, but he got inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. He did? He did, yeah, because he was a big part of WrestleMania in Boston with Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels. It's like the attitude era was coming into its own and Mike was there.

He gives Shawn this unbelievable right hook at the end. It's just great stuff. But he got inducted in the Hall of Fame and I was sitting with my wife and he started going on about my dad. And my dad had a very large black fan base very large and he was talking about how my dad was kind of the first black world champion even though he was a white man from Austin Texas and all this and he was kind of you know he's obviously ribbon on the square here and he was talking about like black

exploitation and just making these jokes these are jokes that as a white person, I feel like I Have I can't have a reaction to these. Yeah, I need to just you know, but my wife is black So she's sitting next to me. So they keep every time he makes a joke they kept shooting us and I was just like No, like like every time he made a joke and they'd pop on us, I'm like, oh man, please, like, I would have been gone. I would have left this early. Gosh, yeah.

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off. Your dad was the best best your dad was the fucking bad Well, you're from you we were talking about your Florida. I saw him. I saw your dad wrestle at the Tampa Armory Oh my gosh, Port Hester Lee. Yeah, it was I mean your dad was the I still I still go back and watch Promos your dad did like you like they're just so the promo era of those guys is the best promo era You like they're just so the promo era of those guys is the best promo era It's I mean it was so much more important than the match to talk people into the venue to talk them to do that actually, I'm so excited to see him this morning because When I met Burt on doing go big show season one I think Burt and the whole go big show production had a very different idea of what wrestling looks like in

2021 or 20 whenever it was yeah, and It took a full season for them to kind of realize like okay Cody's a different type of performer. Yeah, like there's a different it's changed. It's evolved because at first I think he was really expecting like Dusty yeah, you know like they kept asking me like are you gonna be in your gear at the judging? because at first I think he was really expecting like dusty. Yeah. You know, like they kept asking me like, are you going to be in your gear at the judging seat? I'm like, no. You're not going to be all up.

Exactly. Like no oil, not in my gear is one of those things. But it was fun because I said this earlier is Burt is one of the most wrestler. He's one of the biggest pro wrestlers I've ever met who's not a pro wrestler. You're not the first person to make that observation. Oh my gosh. Right out of meeting Burt, and I don't know if I've ever told you this story,

but it was amazing. It was genuinely inspiring. I met Burt, they had this dinner, COVID production, one of the first productions that was happening during COVID. We're all in this bubble, Rosario Dawson, Jennifer Nettles, Burt, Snoop Dogg, me. We go to this dinner, and Nettles, Burt, Snoop Dogg, me. We go to this dinner and right away I met Burt and he basically explained himself to me in three minutes

as to why he was amazing, why he was famous, there was a movie rights on his name and I thought, dog, this guy out wrestled me. Because that used to be a skill that every wrestler had, the self promotion. And I mean, so basically he made it so that if I didn't know him, there was gonna be no discomfort, because you know me now.

In our business, he is known as the promo king. Oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah, and honestly, I just took from your dad. Because your dad was the best promo. Oh man. And it's one of the reasons, like when we hung out, I remember telling you, I was like, because we all went to dinner,

and then me and you kind of connected, because you like whiskey, you like cigars, and I like both those things. Yeah, and a few other things too. And you like listen to me talk about myself. Yeah, yeah. And so, but I remember saying to you, I was like, I don't really know much about wrestling.

And you're like, okay. And then in like 15 minutes later, you're like, hold on, you're bringing up names that only a wrestling fan would know. And I was like, well, everyone knows Von Erichs. And you're like, no, they don't know. And I was like, come on, the claw. Do you remember when Ric Flair and Cary Von Erichs, and you're like, no they don't know. And I was like, come on, the claw, like, do you remember when Ric Flair and Carrie Vonn and you're like,

Christmas Day, yeah, yeah. Christmas, that's one of the, that fucking match. I have a weird question about Netflix. How much bigger is this audience gonna be than an average viewing audience? Like when you guys do Raw. Well, it's tremendous potential. I mean, it's global.

It's the potential because when we were sitting there for that fight, and two hours before, there was a Netflix executive next to me. So he goes, there's 30 million people right now on the service. And then the next fight started, and he's like, it's 45 million people now. And then right before the fight, he

goes, we have a hundred million Different subscribers, that's just subscribers like accounts on right now, and then people were like oh, you know the the Signal is all scrambled like people were buffering it. Yeah, and it's like well Yeah, you have a hundred million subscribers watching do this is gonna be fucking huge. Yeah, I think There's a lot of our library content like our evergreen content so much great wrestling history raw itself coming in Netflix It's always so from a the pro wrestler standpoint. I always go out there with the idea that they've never seen me before Yeah, so I got to give them a little Bert Yeah, you put on show right I got to give him a little bit like I need them to know right out of the gate

Okay, this is who he is This is what what she does whatever whatever it be, and this is one of those cases where when the old timers and the producers and all the people we have backstage kind of are wise men who help put the show together, when they say something like hey, there's a lot of new eyeballs out there, this will be one of those situations where it really is. Really truly is. Really truly is.

And you have the chance to hook them. Yeah. And I, you know, there's such a carny element to how pro wrestling used to be in terms of like reeling in a mark for something to watch. Now the audience is so sophisticated, so changed, and you have new eyeballs, you've never seen it, you can't just hook them.

It can't be cheap. They have to actually see someone authentically that they like and then hopefully they stay on board. That's kind of the goal. It was fascinating watching the, I was watching the Vince McMahon doc and the, watching the history, like the evolution. And you know, there was, I mean, there's a lot of aspects to it, but just the fact how I didn't, you know, cause I had no idea that it was, everybody had territories and different markets. And for real?

And, oh yeah, and like, and you didn't cross territories and one of the things that they credit Vince with is being kind of brazen enough at one point to be like, fuck them, we're gonna go do it in this guy's territory. And then everyone's like, what are you, like mob shit basically. So mob stuff genuinely.

Yeah. This was your whole livelihood. My father, there's an individual in the wrestling space that I model a lot of the character I have after today and most people don't know him because it was pre-cable, pre even like close circuits, Eddie Graham, who was in charge of championship wrestling from Florida, who was my dad's mentor and then my dad.

His son was Steve Graham? No, Mike Graham. Mike Graham, I went to high school with his daughter and his other son. Yeah, so the Graham family, he was in charge of that Florida territory. Then there was Georgia, then of course in Texas, there was world class.

Yeah, there's Eddie Graham right there. Yeah, no, he was really ahead of his time. And one of the things that was special about Eddie Graham is he was really big on community activation. one of the things that was special about Eddie Graham is he was really big On community activation like I mentioned you have to be authentic. You can't just be real a man in the old-fashioned way They have to he spent all this time at the boys and girls club that he was a big ongoing everywhere That's why it was in the armory in the first place Yeah, you know like he was big on just just a pro pros pro was Eddie Graham, but he ran Florida

Vince's father, Vince Senior ran Washington, D.C. in New York. And then you had in Texas multiple territories, AWA. I mean, they didn't cross. And if they crossed, there was a problem. And they had, there's a picture that really feels mafia. It really like, maybe that's silly if you know anything of the mafia, I don't.

But there's a picture of them at the NWA convention in Las Vegas, all black and white, all these wrestlers, you see Andre in the back, you have very unique body types and precision, they're all just facing the camera. That's where they would vote on the world champion, because the NWA world champion would go from territory to territory.

But other things would not cross. And Vince Jr., Vince McMahon was the first one to say, hey, I'm making the move. Now, you mentioned the Mon Erics. Somebody else was gonna do it. It wasn't a matter of somebody else was gonna do it. He just, he beat them to the punch. He beat them to the punch and then everything changed,

because closed circuit became pay per view and the next thing you know, off and running. I wanna ask you this, because closed circuit became pay-per-view and the next thing you know, it often run. I wanna ask you this, because like, I'm always fascinated by, you know, boys growing up with, regardless of if someone's dad is an athlete, usually boys either go, I wanna be just like my dad, or I don't wanna be anything like my dad, right?

Like, and when you get to athletes, like, obviously there's children of athletes who go, I wanna do that. Like let's say in like the NFL. And you know, there's some that do and then there's some that you're like, you just can't do it. You're not an NFL player, right?

Or NBA. In wrestling, like as a kid, were you, I wanna be a wrestler like as a young kid Or you kind of like yeah, you know, it's just what my dad does whatever So he brought me to a show when I was really young he was his older dad He was 39 when he had me he was executive producer is behind the scenes. It was a wrestling booker He was help helping the creative so he wasn't in his full prime

Uh-huh, but I remember when he brought me to that show, it was UTC Chattanooga, so building WWE still runs to this day. And it was Brad Armstrong, this guy hit an arm drag. And just to hear the reaction and the women screaming out of their mind, it was one of those, I always tell people, I have no interest in the inside, behind the scenes of wrestling,

because I lived it. I like to be out. I like to be out there in the crowd. That's what, that narrative is what I enjoy. After that, there was nothing I wanted to do more. And you let it be known. Oh my gosh, I mean nothing. And was it like, was he like great,

or was it like you got like a long way to go kid, like you're gonna have to. I needed to earn, so I needed to earn his trust, because so many second generations and third generations in the pro wrestling sports entertainment space, they burn out, they turn out bad. I needed to earn his trust, and what I thought I could earn his trust with

was actual folk style wrestling. Greco-Roman, freestyle, all that. Because he had never done that. He was straight up promo, entertainment, great athlete, but he had never been on the mat before. He didn't even know how it was scored. He would come to my tournaments as a kid and I'd see him for a takedown holdup,

like, but then it would be a two point. He didn't know. He didn't know. And I was obsessed with it. Full blown vision quest, if you've ever seen that movie. Just, I dug in, I did summer camps with Ken Sheritaugh, Granby VHS tapes I'd watch. I made it my whole life.

So you loved it. Loved it. And once I ended up winning a state championship as a junior and I'd gone undefeated and I'd gone on team nationals and made my way around. Once that happened, I think whatever I told him I wanted to do, he was good with it. He was good. He was good. I didn't have a curfew anymore. My sister still complains about it to this day. Like senior year, they just, he's fine. Where is he? He's been gone for three days. He's fine, you know?

But so you have obviously- He wrestled in the place we shot Go Big. Yeah. We walked in, he's like, I haven't been here since I was in high school. I was like, what? He's like, I won states in this building. Twice.

Yeah, and that building, some making centriplex, the making coliseum, there was a little electrical closet that was right by where we'd all sit. Bert would be up on stage, we'd be all sitting in the chairs, and I went in there and I cried my eyes out when I was 16 years old,

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And I walked in, I didn't realize, I was in Macon, I didn't realize what I was doing. And I walked in and I went, shut the fuck up. I was like, how the fuck did I get here? And it was so funny because I thought of you because I remember you walking in going, shut the fuck up. Yeah, that's a special little building. Yeah, I mean, that is a home to us.

Cause we were quarantined. I remember this. And you can only really like, me and him hung out, we hung out with our EP. We had kind of just started this show. We had just kind of started doing this podcast. And you're like, I'm going to do this thing. And I was like, what the fuck is that?

I remember telling you, I was like, I'm gonna meet Snoop. I need advice on how to meet Snoop. Oh, yeah, and you're like be yourself. Yeah At that meeting of what I'll start with like what it is cuz yeah I don't think that we had dinner at that in that one dinner with everyone's at that He when I explained myself to Cody I think I did the same thing to Snoop and he was caught off guard by me sure and he just went like this In the middle of it. He hit this and he turns the phone guard by me. Sure. And he just went like this, in the middle of it, he hit this, and he turns the phone around and it's Red Grant, he goes, you know this guy?

And Red turns it back and Red goes, he's cool, and he goes, all right, and he's like, all right, cool. Oh wow. I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you called the right black guy. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, When I see Bert, like, Bert's, my algorithm is all over Burt. You, Burt, Tony, all these things that have like come from Burt's world and my interaction with Burt, whenever I

see all this popping off, I have, I'm so glad I get to sit with you today because I never got the chance to tell him. Burt was the spiritual and unofficial leader of that show and was so good to all of us. We were trapped in this Marriott, connected to the making Coliseum. I had the biggest imposter syndrome ever. So Burt, who's talking about selling out Red Rocks, Snoop Dogg, Rosario Dawson, who's getting ready to play Ahsoka, like is already in pretty- Oh, she told us that our first night. And I'm this big Dave Filoni fan, I know all this stuff I remember my wife telling me like you do not you do not fucking ask you know all right I want I want Jennifer Nettles who at a moment's notice could belt out a song that would just make you

cry did it we were oh my gosh don't fucking you know the song from Shrek the one the one if the she did it one time, we're in line. And I was like, Jen, I can sing. And she was like, really? And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I started doing it. And then she started singing over me. And I just went like this.

Oh. She is so, like, I'll tell you. It's so you to be able to go to the singer and be like, I can sing. Oh, bro, he quarterbacked everything. And he did, yeah. You remember when I shot the bullseye with the buck and bow and arrow? Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah, that was like my remember when I shot the bullseye with the fucking bow and arrow

Oh my gosh. Yeah, that was like my highlight. I go I think I can shoot And I'd fucking pulled off a bullseye if there was ever a show where the sharpshooters weren't sharpshooters though It was go big show They'd have a sit-up there and watch these guys whether it was whether it was guns and they were shooting targets or whether it was Arrows and I thought like is this a bit yeah, dude, and then they're terrible and then burnt will come to us for like so What'd you think I'm like well? You missed yeah You missed motor the shots in there Matt because this was like kovat times

We all need to be really happy and snooped ass like it's not gonna be a mean judge We're gonna be all happy, but at a certain point like you're not good at this. Yeah. How do you think you did man? gonna be all happy but at a certain point like yeah you're not good at this yeah how do you think you did man oh no but I I wanted to thank you because you were the unofficial leader to it and you're super sweet to me and well you and I were the closest me you and Conrad yeah I would have a glass of water you know it's funny we have a we have something from the show oh fuck? I know exactly what this is just for for Cody They messed my name up in Snoop Oh, man, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I think he started doing what's that guy's name. I know that guy. I can't I can't accept any now

Oh wait draw that back from there. Oh listen to this Well that was here that was Chris Jericho said it wrong that was Chris who said it wrong purposely I Want to say at that point it had become a bit at that point, but also and this is not to Gosh, this is not to bury what I was doing at the time and where I was but Discovery now or I guess at the time was WarnerMedia sent me to do that show To help with the other show and I was honored to do it and excited to be picked But it's wrestling has a bad habit,

and this is in all companies everywhere, of not understanding we're in a bubble, guys. There's a whole outside world. There's multiple mediums of entertainment. Don't be in a bubble. Don't be afraid to do a little crossover thing. Yeah, pure hardcore wrestling fans, they may not love it, but there's something on the show that's for them already.

And that was, I hate, I'm not bearing where I formerly was, but not understanding the power, the magnitude, again, of new eyeballs and then of crossing over. And also, I hate gatekeeping when it comes to what we do. That's one of the things I do really like about pro wrestling fans and sports entertainment, and I wish the locker rooms would feel this more. We welcome, please, if you've never been before, because I know Tom, you're not a big wrestling

fan. This isn't true. I don't know where you've heard this. So there's some quotes out there. No, I don't know what you're talking about. But I would say to you, hey, if you ever dip your toe in, and this is not a show for WrestleMania 41, it could be WrestleMania 42, it could be WrestleMania 45. Come to it, come.

And if there's not something that you're like, ah, all right. No, I get it. It's so, I get it. I actually feel like, I mean, look, I've said reckless things in my life, but I do feel like I already know that I have a good time. I think I experienced the same thing when I went to NASCAR. I was like, I don't wanna go fucking NASCAR.

And I went to NASCAR, I was like, this is amazing. Yeah, I had a great time at it. And I've watched maybe not a lot of matches, but like I said, I've watched multiple docs. I also get the fact that I used to think they're so different, but what I'm saying is like, when it comes to wrestling and sports entertainment, it's really not at its core that different from traditional sports.

In other words, going to a NFL game, it's like you got into this as a kid probably and you're watching the rules that are established and people like participating in it and you cheer or you boo and you just get you get emotionally involved. And then in wrestling for me it's just like yeah, it's athletes they're performing and usually there's a foundation from usually from being a kid and you get an emotion, you're emotionally invested. It's kind of a similar thing. When I was a kid, when I was a kid, we'd go, I think I was just about every Saturday night

and the noise, I remember just the noise and when someone hits the mat, just the noise was so visceral and the energy, you get caught up in it, old ladies telling people the garbage and you just get so it's like it really is like I want to go so bad I want to go to raw where's raw gonna be shot into a dome yeah oh my god in LA yeah you gotta come hold on have you been

to the end with dome no it's fucking insane you don't even have tickets they scan your face yeah they also have the you don't have money they don't pay with money you pay with your eyes. You go like this, and then it goes. What? Dude. It's in a very advanced place, so they have every seat. Where in LA is this?

Right next to all that YouTube area. Like downtown area? No, no, no, no, no. It's by SoFi. Oh, like Carson, that area. By all that. Oh my God, oh my God. Wait, what's it normally used for? Clippers? Oh, it's the Clippers place

Yeah, we saw Billy Joel play there and Every seat, you know can measure the audio So we have this one moment in in throughout the show where when I come out I don't know how it caught on but there's a part of my song that everybody sings the same It's just what the dude yells. Whoa. Yeah all yell. Whoa And they pop off a bunch of pyro, but they're very excited about this They're like well if you're on that show if we format it this way But we might be able to tell who is the loudest yeah pinpoint them and all that and I thought that's a wild insane

Insane amount of technology to go to that go to raw for sure. Let's go Let's bring boys how how you have two boys right? Yeah, how old? For sure. Let's go, let's bring your boys. You have two boys, right? Yeah. How old? Six and nine. Six and nine.

Yeah. Yeah. My daughter's only three and a half, and I'm struggling with how to explain it to her. Because my dad didn't explain it to me. He was just like, check this shit out. Well no, I mean, so there's a term, you'll hear people say the term K-Fabe.

Yeah. So he just figured it was best for me to always believe and You know, for example, the four-horseman broke his he broke his arm, but they also broke his leg at one point in the cage I remember finding a cast and he had this giant closet and it was a big cast like I had when I broke my leg on my Four-wheeler, except it had hinges. Uh- hinges and it opened up and I thought oh that I want that cast. Not realizing that this was something that might have gone on for the public it might have gone off but yeah he never he I guess the way we put it he raised me very old school which I wouldn't recommend yeah

because I'd meet people like Ric Flair and I meet these Arne Anderson these nefarious enemies of his, and kind of having like a disdain for them. Already not understanding, these were your partners. These were people you were making money with and selling tickets with. Wait, until which age were you? Sadly.

27? You ready, you ready? Yeah. You ready? I was 14. Before you kind of like. So, there's two big. Wait, so he doesn't come down the chimney

and leave stuff? Right, right, so I was 14 and I think part of the reason it took so long is because I wanted the magic. Yeah, for sure. So there's two incidents. One, I'm watching DDP Wrestle Hacksaw, Jim Duggan. They're on the show in Daytona and they're out in the ring earlier in the middle of the day, like three o'clock.

And that's not something you see that often. A lot of people think wrestlers are out there practicing. It's not as, you don't see that that often. But they're out there and they're just going over stuff and they're in the middle of this heated rivalry. I remember watching it and I thought, okay. And I'm accepting of it at this point. I go, okay, if that happens, then I'll know.

And of course, DDP's in the corner, here comes Hacksaw, big boot. I'd seen it already. I thought, oh, that might be it. Did it emotionally affect you? No, no, because there was a prior event where the toughest man, like the toughest person in all of wrestling was this guy named Haku.

I don't know if you ever heard about Haku, or Flair told you any stories about Haku. Yeah, he's a big fish situation where a lot of the stories you hear are like, no way that's true, he didn't take that cop's eyeball. And then you'll find out like later like no he did He took he was he was all those things well haku slammed a wooden chair over my dad's head and my dad is bleeding and he's in the ring and

You know people are crying and he had this deep connection with the audience are deeply affected by it and I was just a young kid at the time and Obviously, obviously, you know when you pick a fight, you're not winning. Yeah Yeah, but I have them of the thought, you're not winning. Yeah, yeah. But I have them of the thought, like I'm raised, like, and hey, we're still gonna fight though. Right. I'm not saying I'm winning this fight, but we're still gonna fight. And he came back to the locker room and I was sitting next to my dad.

My dad's bleeding and I remember I stood up. I don't know what my game plan was, but I stood up and my dad like swiftly knocked me back down in my seat and then haku who happened to be one of the most gentle Sweetest human beings and all of wrestling came over to my dad. He shook his hand. He kissed his hand He helped him take his leg wraps off My dad was a lot older at the time and just said he loved I love you and then he left and again I'm thinking like well that should have been the moment I know clearly and all my dad said to me was,

the rules are a little different back here. We can't fight back here, but out there. So he really wanted to keep you going. So he's kept, but in that moment, I should have known, like, all right, you know. But also, I'll say this, your level of belief in this, I don't know if anyone tells you this, but it's adorable. Okay, well.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I wanted it to be. Yeah. You know, like, I wanted it to, because I grew know like I want I wanted it because I grew up on it I got into fights over it That was a big thing in elementary school if a kid says it's fake tell him hey, it's not fake kids as it's fake again Say hey one more time a morning if he says it's fake a third time you punch him and it was always punch him In the nose, so that's terrible. That's terrible advice to give a kid you punch a kid in the nose

You could break their nose Jack their face up so multiple hey Cody got in Another fight today. Hey Cody got in another fight my elementary school hated me. Yeah hated my dad We were like the Adams family. Yeah, that was one he could have at least been like hey Cuz I remember he told me as a young kid he said hey you can tell them that I'm a salesman if you want to and I thought Absolutely not Refused to say you are a salesman. My dad's fucking Dusty Rose.

Yeah. What are you talking about? But now I'm in the space where she's three and a half, Liberty, my daughter, where I do wanna say to her, hey, just let them know I'm a salesman. Yeah. You know, just cause I don't want her to get caught up in any of that.

Cause she's already, I've seen her watch a few things and been confused. I've always wanted to ask this though, cause like you mentioned Tyson and his participation, and you have people come in that are not background wrestlers, like a Mark Henry or a Brock Lesnar or somebody, right? And so when they come in and they get what the world is, and there's a lot of, it's obviously super athletic, there's a lot of performance it's obviously super athletic. There's a lot of performance. And obviously, we all know that people get

seriously, seriously hurt, and there's tons of people have had serious injuries and tons of surgeries and stuff. But do you have moments with these guys where you're like, hey, don't fucking flip a switch. And do you have to spend more time with someone like that who's coming from you know MMA or like Mike with boxing Or do they just kind of get it out of the gate? Well, I'd rather in my case I'd rather you come fully like come and bring it bring it because we can't afford it not looking good on TV, right?

We don't have time to train you up. Yeah in this moment So if you're outside coming in swing for the fences is a big quote I always really that I afterwards we like regret that regret saying swing for the fences But when it Brock's a great example I'll net it's very hard for me when I'll never say wrestling is fake. I had the f-word I get really weird about it I don't know why, but I always say to people, hey, this reason I don't say it is because if you look at that dad and his son

or the family over there, their feelings are real. So I don't need to say this is, but I can tell you, if people ever wonder how real wrestling can be, the three matches I had with Brock Lesnar are the most competitive, and there's a thing when you work with a guy who's a big monster. He's a monster. Where they make you earn it, is what they'll say.

You're not just grabbing my leg, even though that might be the spot. You're not just hitting me with that, the Cody cutter. It's not just happening that way. You have to actually earn it. And earn it is as close to being in a real fight as I've ever been in my life. I look back at the three matches of the Brock lovingly and so proud of the body of work we put up. But also I remember scared is probably an appropriate term but just that was the most

aggressive and I've been in fights and I've wrestled folk style, freestyle, did all that. That was the most real anything had ever been for me in the ring and it actually gave me a whole new education on getting, I guess, to the top of our game. What it really means is there is an element of you're not just taking this. Thank you, this is gonna be a bit of a struggle because that man is a freak athlete and there's a lot.

Mark Henry, on the other hand, Mark Henry, because he came through our developmental and trained and all. And there's a lot. Mark Henry on the other hand, Mark Henry because he came through our developmental and trained and all that. He's a lot like the Big Show. I don't know if you ever met Big Show Paul. They always had to be really, really gentle. Because if they, if they F'd you up, you can't be that guy, right?

They had to be the most. And Big Show for one. Mark is a fucking animal. Yeah, no, I mean, do you ever heard the story about him at the Strongman, Tough Man, it might've been the Arnold, where he was on stage presenting. That's Mark and Show Together, yeah.

And there was the world's heaviest dumbbell, which it's a bit, nobody can lift it, nobody can lift it. I don't even know how much it is. But Mark lifted it, which people were reacting to already, and he dropped it off the stage. And it was like this kind of calamity. He went down and picked it up and brought it back up and put it back in the thing.

Not even thinking it all worked out like as if it had been planned. Mark was genuinely the world's strongest man. They say had he even trained a little bit harder, his records would have been untouched to this day. His son has got a preliminary contract with us, Jacob. Really? Yes, Jacob, which I see.

I remember when Mark was a junior Olympic lifter and he wasn't even on a proper meal plan and so this high level coach was like, what the fuck are you eating? And brought him in and was like no No, you got to be like you have you as a heavyweight Yeah Need to be eating this much protein and all and like was just just getting him

Yeah to do that properly because he didn't even had he didn't have any idea He was just raw dogging at all like so I got a good I love Mark Henry He's still part of this radio show called busted open his son Jacob who I is gonna come up and babes Probably Brock Lesnar us all when he when he does arrive We're all looking forward to it But I have a fun moment with mark where I was in a tag match in Cape Gerardo At what's called the show me center and it was a six man and I'm in there and Triple H And I think MVP or Mark's partners, but Triple H is really leading this match.

Crowd wasn't great. It was one of those where the crowd wasn't great. There's daylight coming in the arena. It's like a- We've never experienced that before. So, yeah. It's like a Maddenay show, daylight's coming in the ring. And it's the only time I've ever seen it.

And God bless, I learned a lot from Mark and I hope he doesn't get mad at me for sharing this. But I watched Mark on the apron fall asleep. I watched as we're in the middle of bumping all this stuff and we're the bad guys, right? We're the bad guys and I remember watching Mark just slowly Taking that and then he come back he come back to life he come back to life and when we eventually tagged him There was not this we'd like to call it the tag, could be the most exciting 15 seconds of the night. There was not this big response, not this big reaction. I remember Triple H, who's now our chief creative officer,

just screaming at Mark, like, come on, Mark, this is the coldest tag I've ever, they're having this conversation, and I just, I couldn't believe it, but we used to joke, cause Mark had three six mafia sing a song, it was like, beat him up, break his neck, and we mafia sing a song. I was like, beat him up, break his neck. And we would just add terms to it like, beat him up, break his neck, get sweaty, take a nap.

And just like, because I saw him do it on the apron, I never forgot it. He's great though, Mark is great. With someone like him though, I mean obviously you know it intellectually, but you can also physically sense the level of strength someone like that has when you're in a match with them. With Mark, with Mark for sure,

Mark was always really pros pro. I'll say with Big Show, I felt it the most because I pissed him off one night. And I pissed him off one night and he did what's called the big man kick out, where you cover him and then the guy goes flying, oh, ha ha, but he put it all behind it Yeah, and I remember I like hit the rope it wasn't it didn't even look clean

So he basically shot me up a good four feet dead cold press Nothing underneath him shot me up four feet and then I went to the corner to take the big chops He's big like soup bowls and they were overhand and I had my chin ducked just a little bit and he hit me here and Just collapsed lights out, drooling on myself, for real. Yeah, it came to pretty quick and I don't think he did that one on purpose. I think that was more my this,

because I learned so much from Big Show, but the one time he ever needed to let me know, hey, I'll kill you, he did let me know. And I was probably, I'm positive at that point, young, green, positive I deserved it, and super helpful. And stuff actually in an odd way is like, okay, thank you. Thank you for this bizarre lesson, but yeah, thank you.

Now, very few people can find employment after a neck tattoo. When did you decide to do it? Oh, I love, by the way, this is one of my favorite stories. Yeah. We're sitting there and I said something about his neck tattoo and he goes, yeah, it's a little bigger than I thought.

I'm so crazy. I think. The American Nightmare logo I already had. So it was never about the art. It was never about the look. And I went through this phase where I was away from WWE at the time. I was trying to really build my own brand

and be my own thing. I was tired of wearing other people's logos. Like I hated going into Dick's and there's the, you know, Rock's logo everywhere. I was like, I wanna make my own thing. I wanna be as bold as making, I'm going all in on my own thing. So I had this idea that I going all in on my own thing so I I had

this idea that I would put it on my chest and Then I saw Conor McGregor was just absolutely you know box office hit marquee guy He had a big the big lion. Yeah, I can't we can't do the chest then I of course think about the rock He's the biggest marquee guy and you know My current boss as well, and he's got the Brahma Bull before all the Samoan tattoo it was just a Brahma Bull thought well I can't do the arm that's you know Goldberg too with the barbed wire I thought hmm I'll do the neck I'll do the neck and I did he showed it to me and it was it was smaller yeah and I thought that's perfect it'll peek right over the

collar I'm always in suits that's perfect. It'll peak right over the collar. I'm always in suits. That's perfect. And I love this guy. He still helps, he'll dial it up and fix it every now and then when it needs to be. But I did the dumbest, most alpha toxic thing ever is I sat there in the chair and he kept giving me an out. He goes, you wanna take a look?

You wanna take a look? I mean, kept giving me an out. You wanna take a look? And I'm, no, I'm good. I'm like, gridding my teeth. I don't know who the fuck I was trying to impress. Yeah. No one there. My wife's not there. I'm good, you know? And then I got up and they're filming this. They're documenting this whole thing. I got up and I saw it and I didn't say anything in the moment, but it's like a kid on Christmas who the gift was not. It's not the right Power Rangeranger basically yeah, and I thought

Well, yeah Thank you. Yeah, I think the first thing I said was thank you shook hands And then headed for the door and I had to wrestle the next night So I had a signing that morning where I wrapped it in a scarf because they wanted me to do it fresh right away or take Months and let it heal so I wrestled the next night. I'm at this signing with a scarf around It's all it's coming up over the scarf there people clearly who know something's up Yeah, remember Jim Ross legendary Hall of Fame announcer. Yeah, he thought it wasn't big Oklahoma. Yeah Oh, yeah, he thought it wasn't real. I walked into the production meeting at the time. I'm reading the production meeting

I'm the the boss at the end. I remember him hold up this is that fucking, he couldn't believe it, like, he couldn't fathom that this giant thing now existed, but I tell people, I guess in the long run, it was really worth it. It's kind of rad, I mean, here's the thing,

I think for your job, it's rad, and if I didn't know who you were, I'd be like, this guy did 20 years, you know, like he was dangerous Individual let me ask I had I Had like another I had two dreams growing up and this is so stupid forgive me to do time in prison to over 20 years I wanted to be a wrestler and then I really want to be the governor of Georgia. That was like I grew up in Georgia

I love my state you wanted to be the guy wanted to be the governor of Georgia. That was like I grew up in Georgia I love my state you wanted to be the guy wanted to be the governor But hang on hang on I have plans on being the governor of Florida that you could do I met Arnold Schwarzenegger I was like, I'm going to be the governor of Florida and and I'm I literally was like this is a real dream I'm I could be a politician. This could be real especially we'd be like you'd be governor of Georgia I'll be governor of Florida be right next to each other. Just buddy governors, you know? This can happen. He comes up with stuff like this a lot.

But my, that's inspiring though, because if you watch the Arnold doc, I think a lot of people are like, oh, he said he could do it, that mountaintop, that whole thing he goes into about, I see another mountain and I have to climb it. But I've thought a little bit about it later in my life about the Tattoo and I thought I don't know if everyone would

Understand that tattoo because I think at a glance No Yeah once like as a if you were running for something like governor the thing about it is your story gets out so you become Actually, you'd become the person who? Opens doors for throat tattoo people. Oh my gosh. They would be like, ever since he became governor. Same trends. Yeah, I got hired by a tech company

and people stopped shutting the doors in our faces. Yeah, you'd be that guy. I want the state of Florida tattooed right here. Oh my gosh. A little in green. A drop, but it's the Florida outline. There is no reason you shouldn't do that today. Dude, I have a tattoo gun at my house.

I've been tattooing people all the time. Tattoo. Tattoos. Tattoo? He does that. Tattoo. All you have to do is choose to say something differently. Yeah. Like aluminum. Yeah, aluminum.

Yeah. There it is. And then nightmare. Yeah. No, nightmare is like. I assume that was purposeful because those guys screwed you over. No, no, no, no, no, no. Nightmare is how I thought it was, and then now I can't change it back.

Did you see American Nightmare, by the way? Yeah. The doc? Oh, so crazy. Unbelievable, right? So I like it, so from a true crime doc perspective, nothing annoys me more than, okay, he probably did it. And then three episodes in, they're like, yeah, he did it. I need a spin.

Yeah. I need something, and American Nightmare, that talk, oh my gosh. I don't wanna spoil it for everybody. Let's spoil it, fuck him. So at the end, because I always get on this, is whether or not people always argue about is there such thing as normal? And you're like, yes, of course there is.

And there's a spectrum of normal behavior if you're somebody whose girlfriend was just kidnapped. Yeah. And the way he is in that interrogation room, you're like, this is fucking completely abnormal. Sure. The way he's talking. Oh, yeah. So it leads you to go like, yeah, something, this is fucked up. He's the problem. And then episode two, when they feature the girl, her behavior. Yeah.