A Geek History of Time - Episode 07- The Lost Cause and Professional Wrestling (Part 2)

Episode Date: May 18, 2019

In this episode, Damian lays out the structure and development of Lost Cause historiography, from the years immediately after the Civil War up through the mid 20th century. Ed vents about catharsis denied in the ending of “Gone With the Wind.” …seriously, the movie should have ended with “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.” Because by that time Ed sure didn’t, either.

This is a Geek History of Time where we connect nervery to the real world. I'm Ed Blalock, I'm a world history teacher, I'm a father of a nine month old little boy, and I have been a geek since at least the sixth grade when my father gave me a copy of Have Space Suit Will Travel by Robert A. Heinlein. Wow. I'm Damian Harmony. I am a Latin teacher, formerly a history teacher at the high school level.

I am a father of two. Count them two, little ginger geeks, who one is almost nine, and the other one is six and into painting miniatures. I'm raising them to be decent before anything else which is why I'm buying them all kinds of books on monsters so they can understand the anthropology of the things that they're slaughtering. I've been a geek for at least since I was four and your book just reminded me of one that my mom got me from the library at one point it was called Space guys in sports coats

Nice. It's just fun. I like that. Yeah, that's a good title. Yeah, you reading any books. I am still working my way through home a history of domesticity okay, and I am also going to plug the Sano H.I.R.O. series of mysteries by Laura Jo Rowland. It's a mystery series, obviously set in the Tokugawa era of Japan, in which the main character is a low-ranking samurai who winds up getting elevated to a very specialized position as investigator of people, places and things. Very nice. Personally, I have taken to reading comic books. I just read last night the very first appearance of Lizard in Spider-Man.

Wow. Yeah, Spider-Man went to the Everglades, which is kind of interesting. Wow, okay. Yeah, so that was kind of fun. And what I'm doing is I'm reading them in publication order from the very beginning. So I started with the Fantastic Four, and as soon as Spider-Man started,

I started reading that and the Fantastic Four, and then it says the Avengers kick in and so on and so on. I'm not reading like the Journey Into Mystery, the Thor, the Ant-Man stuff. I'm just going with the main titles, because it's a lot to read and I've got kids. But I also just started rewatching titles because it's a lot to read and I've got kids. But I also just started rewatching Chronicles of Riddick, that whole series.

I consider movies to be part of literature and I'm just loving me the pitch black. So I'll probably finish that tonight. Cool. Yeah. So Ed, you remember last time when we talked about, I promised to talk about wrestling? Yeah, and we never got to wrestling because I was too busy ranting and flipping you off about the verbal chicanery carried out by Lost Cause historians.

Yeah, well we're gonna, we're gonna get right back to it. To get to the wrestling, we've got to get through the lost cause. Oh my god almighty. Yeah, So everything I said last week. I took my blood pressure medication that will be okay. Everything I said will tie into wrestling. But first I want to go back to the war. So I might do that a lot. I'll go forward, comb back, go forward, comb back. So southerners thought that since they had most of the military academies, which was true, they had a long tradition military service and brilliance also true

Sir, I'm gonna I'm gonna say service. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna say a long record of Generals with a string of successes. Okay, good point as somebody who is a hobbyist military historian Reliance is a bar. I'm not going Okay, okay. Reliance is a bar I'm not going. Visavee Northern American generals? Visavee the standard of what counts as brilliance over the course of military history. Oh, okay, fair. I would say compared to the North.

Oh yeah, well compared to the North just because of the cultural differences. Yeah, absolutely. And also they had a crop of gentleman that was unseen in the north because you didn't have plantations lay free Yeah, and and they thought they'd win. Yeah. Oh, well, they did think they'd win and in many ways They didn't stand a goddamn chance Um, they might have scored an early round knockout blow at first But they didn't and so then it was just a matter of when yeah, what what As again a obvious military historian,

and I'm gonna try to keep this short, I promise. The assumptions that were made by both sides were entirely pejorative. Basically, both sides thought they were gonna win because the other side was a bunch of losers. Yes. Um, and it is true that culturally the South had an edge. Mm-hmm. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the needs to be pointed out came from the fact that they lived in constant terror of slave revolt. Yeah. And so for men in the south, service in the militia was an important part of their lives

when they took very seriously because like the Spartans, they had an underclass that they needed to make sure could not rise up and kill them in their sleep. And there had been inklings of that throughout the early 19th century, whereas in the north their biggest fear was Native Americans, but by the 1860s that is farther west. They've been moved west by southerners who became presidents, quite honestly. Yes, they'd all been moved out to the territories in what was then the far west. Now, so malicious service was something that men did, but it was, you know,

you get together, you get together, you get together on the weekend, you drill for a little while, and then everybody has a beer. And, you know, and the thing is, in the north, again, they had, you know, West Point was like the only academy they could really claim to control.

Right. And even that had a Southern culture. Even that had a very profound, very sudden culture. And so, you know, militarily, the biggest thing in North Hat going for him was the Navy. Go Navy, by the way. Hi Dad, how you doing? And, you know, so it was, it was, it was very much a situation where looking at it at the beginning, if you were, if you were to listen to both sides bragging about how they're going to whip the other side, the side that you kind of looked at and said, these guys, they're, they're

fighters. They're full of it, but they're less full of it than the other guys. Right. Would, would be the Southern people. Well, in part of that also is an american culture thing of focusing on individual the south had more individual like it's kind of like you have uh... klingons versus the uh... the federation is gonna win yeah but there's gonna be a lot of nameless faceless and since yeah in in the long run yeah the federation is gonna win

but it's going to be really ugly yeah and kling Klingon's going to win some really bloody battles. Yeah, and the Klingon's going to break your will. Yeah. And, and, and, yeah, no you're right. Also very honor-based, so say it's a bad one. I think it also very, yes. But yeah, they thought their culture was superior. Yeah, and they thought that they fought with honor,

which I get a kick out of. Yeah. But you know, whenever you say you fight with honor, you get to define what that honor is, so it kind of makes sense. Yeah, and, you know, I think, again, as the, you know whenever you say you fight with honor you get to define what that honor is so it kind of makes sense Yeah, and you know, I think again as the you know guy who is military history is a big deal both sides fought in essentially the same way. Oh, yeah, what what fighting in this era consisted of this is Napoleonic

maneuver tactics tied to a new tactic though trenches well this is where later in the war one later in the war at the beginning of the war oh they're still they're still using Napoleonic yeah tactics which was an extension of evolution of tactics that had been used during the revolution, which dates back to the beginnings of firearms, which everybody lines up,

you march at the enemy, you get within range, first rank fire, fall back, second rank fire, fall back reload, and you continue doing that until either you have a bayonet charge to close things out, because you're too close to doing anything else. Someone breaks the run. Or somebody breaks the run. And it's funny in the one English section I'm teaching right now.

We just read Ray Bradbury's The Drummer Boy of Shiloh. Okay. And one of the things it talks about is a general, is a character in the story Talking to the main character the drummer boy who says We'll all we'll all fight the same way show up show the breast and You know say thank you and and go on go on our way and and that's really what it was the definition the definition of What you did as a soldier was you stood your ground. Right. And when the bullets came flying, what made you honorable, what made you a man,

was not freaking out and running away like a sensible person would. Right. You know. And so when when the southerners make this big deal about, you know, they've they fought with honor, you know, the thing is they fought with a lot of courage, but so did the Northerners, you know, and at the beginning of the war, of course, there were a number of circumstances where half-trained northern armies didn't hold out. So the southerners got this opinion of themselves that they were the brave ones, they were the honorable ones. They're also fighting on their own territory. They're fighting on their own turf.

And they engaged in the rebel charges, the rebel yell was their primary thing. By the way, speaking of World War I, very world war post-World War I French, or pre-World War I French, that it's gonna be the A-Lon. A-Lon, and the fighting spirit of our men that's gonna carry us through. And so I mean I guess what I'm saying is there's kind of something to that but

again you're denigrating the North. Yeah. Which talking outside of recording that's one of the things that pisses me off the most about about this this historiographic movement is it basically it backhandedly insults the North. By equalizing the sides they're at the same time setting themselves above it. Yes. They're equivocating. They're not equalizing. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's quite similar to South Luzas. Big hard. When they lost, there becomes this huge need for psychological self-preservation.

Because of big willy-t. Yeah. William took some, baby. My man. A former history teacher. Yep. Look at those eyes. Damn right.

So it's kind of impossible to ignore that you lost a war, especially when there's northern troops occupying you. So how do you keep this sense of cultural superiority when you fought and lost a war to keep black people as slaves? Very simply, you explain it away. The North didn't win because their cause was righteous. No, no, no, no. They won because they had an overwhelming horde, and you could even throw some racial shit in there about Irish, if you want. They won because the South wouldn't stoop to dishonoring themselves the way the North did by using foreigners. They won because the North cheated by having a better economy, by choking them off from trade, by cheating and military encounters, by using terrorism.

Cheating? Yeah, that's how they won. Cheating. Yeah, that's how they want. Cheating. This whole bit that I'm telling you, absolutely ties into wrestling. Cheating. Cheating. I'm sorry. Cheating. Talking about war. Cheating.

There are rules, my friend. There are rules. And the North broke them all in order to win. I'm pretty sure nobody in the North serrated a banit. I'm just gonna say, knowing a little bit about the Geneva Conventions what actual rules of war are. Those don't come around until later. I know. So the South needed this to be true even right after the war. Well especially right after the war.

Yeah so that's what alter if the nation actually talks about that bit remarkably well as well. But so their children and grandchildren would have a quote proper narrative of the war that they'd lost. Proper. Yeah. Some day we're going to do an episode on, on, on Serenity. And this will come back. Yeah.

Another problem right after the war is that the South was occupied by Northern armies, like I said, which were just there to disrupt the southern way of life. Right. White supremacy, black Serbs, Servians, Northern soldiers. Just meddling. Just meddling goddamn monkeys. Yeah, carpetbars.

Carpet well, carpetbed different. The soldiers weren't corrupt, but anyway. But they did everything they could to get the north out of the south, but you have these outsiders who are in charge upsetting God's plan. You might remember a cornerstone. So there's an historian named Rollin Ostrowise, and he says that the legend of the lost cause began as mostly a literary expression of the despair of a bitter defeated people over

a lost identity. It was a landscape dotted with the figures drawn mainly out of the past, the chivalric planter, the magnolia-centered southern bell, the good gray Confederate veteran, once a night of the field in saddle, an obliging old Uncle Remus. All these, while quickly enveloped in a golden haze, became very real to the people of the south who found the symbols useful in the reconstituting of their shattered civilization. They perpetuated the ideas of the old south and brought a sense of comfort to the new. The north didn't give a shit, they just wanted to move on. So it becomes this fine, whatever you need to tell yourself kind of nodding

along. Yeah, yeah, shut up. Come on. Shut up. Yeah. Let him vote. Fuck off. But the problem. You know, you just managed to, to completely encapsulate reconstruction and the failure of reconstruction in like 10 words or less. I am nothing if not glib. So I'm only glib. Whatever. Whatever you need to tell yourself,

let him vote, just fuck off. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That's like, I could use that to teach the whole arc. Do it. Like, do it. Like, make that part of

Where you need to tell yourself? What about fuck off? I don't know if anybody else is ever gonna laugh this hard anything Listeners might have the audience so the problem with this is that this narrative shifts quickly as a dominant narrative And so future historians which I love that term future story And up being taught this as canon and it's unquestionable. It becomes the landscape. Yeah, some throughout the country Some historians were on to these fuckers from the beginning though for instance in 1868 George Henry Thomas a

General of the North, from Virginia. Right. He had it on the back, though. He said, oh boy, howdy. The greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of virtues of freedom suffered violence and wrong when the effort for Southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political can't. Whereby the crimes of treason might be covered with the counterfeit varnish of patriotism.

I love this guy. It's so weird that he wrote in 1868 about 2018, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history, hand in hand with the defenders of the government. Mock her up. Thus wiping out with their own hands, their own stains, a species of self forgiveness amazing in its affrontery, which totally reminds me of you. That phrase.

Oh, yeah. That's not known. Putting that phrase down here. Yeah. When it is, why do you use a $5 word? When a $10 word is available. Oh, God, yeah. When it is considered that the life and property

justly forfeited by the laws of the country or war and of nations through the magnanimity, here's why you don't use a $10 word, of the government and its people was not exacted from them. So in other words, we let them get away with thinking their bullshit by not truly punishing them afterwards. My dad would 100% agree. Oh, yeah. Now, now here's where we get into some of my favorite movies. Okay. Buster Keaton. Okay. If you look at early cinema, Buster Keaton's the general. I don't like birth of a nation subject-wise, but it was the Matrix of its time. They figured out you could move the camera.

Yeah. Griffith's Birth of a Nation. You see the impact of lost cause. So these movies come out in 1915. You're a huge big way, yeah. Right? The protagonists are always southern, full of pluck, and rarely able to win through most of the film. I want you to remember that when I get to of pluck, and rarely able to win through most of the film.

I want you to remember that when I get to the wrestling. Rarely able to win. Rarely able to win through most of the film. Birth of a nation even goes so far as to show our original sin of slavery as being the problem. Not because slavery is bad, but because it brought black people here. Again, there's that drop of truth you were talking about. There's a special place currently reserved in hell

for DW Griffith. He just wanna point out. I know, I know, I know, yeah, no, yeah. He is, he is. Watch his films, you're watching stuff films. Yeah, you are. I, I, yeah, I could get a Dithiology about it, but no. The three hours of that movie show all kinds of evil

motherfuckers. Yeah, okay. All kinds of lost cause ideology, complete with the KKK saving white folks in the South from mixed race marriage. Okay. Saves them from black barbarism, including a scene that one of my favorite movies, The Last of the Mohicans, with Daniel De Lewis, takes almost frame for frame. So you've seen that movie.

A long time ago. Okay. So West Studi, the darker of the Indians. Yeah. So he's the bad guy. Yeah. But West Studi kills the Mohican, the one who's the son, okay? The pretty one, that the younger sisters in love with. Kills the shit out of them. I mean, it's a really powerful scene. The music is beautiful. There's a lot of

run. Oh, I get goosebumps thinking about it. I want to buy that movie now. He kills him. The woman who was in love with him, the younger sister of what's her name, Mary Stewart Masterson, I think that's who it was. Or Madeline Stowe. All those M names. She steps out onto a rock and he looks at her and she looks at him and she's at the edge of a rock and he looks at her and he beckons her to come back. Still menace on his face, the blood of a rock and he looks at her and he beckons her to come back. Still menace on his face, the blood of the man that she loved on his face. And she looks at him and she looks down and she jumps.

Yeah, it is a beautiful gut wrenching scene. Taking frame for frame because Gus the black guy wants to rape the little sister of the main characters main squeeze. Really kind of ruins it. Thank God for the music but like it's I mean I'll show it to you something it's something. Anyway so the KKH is saving people from these things and saving them from Northern incompetence or Northern predation. Yeah. President Wooder Wilson, you may have heard of him. The former president of Princeton University, the first PhD

historian president, he kept Princeton in New Jersey, by the way, segregated the whole time he was there, by the way. Oh, yeah, no Wilson. He instituted federal job segregation upon his inauguration. He said that the movie was so horribly true. You know, there's another special place in hell reserved for Woodrow Wilson. Oh yeah.

It's amazing how somebody who could, on one hand, be precient and progressive, could also be such a complete dick bag. Yeah. Yeah, but carry on. I just... Chief Justice Edward Douglas White went to see it once he was told that it was... once he was told, not incidentally, but once he was told that it was all about how the

KKK saved the South, he was like, oh, I want to see that because I'd been in the KKK when I was younger Now 25 years after that 25 years after 1915 is 1939. Yeah, you know what movie comes out in 1939? Gone with the wind It's a beautiful film It is gorgeous and this time it's in color But I mean it really it's it is the number the the highest grossing film of all time if you adjust for all the things Yeah, if you need most people saw it like most tickets had ever been sold. We're sold to see that. Yeah, yeah, it's also really

goddamn long. Apparently shit about the South never gets edited. Yeah, so yeah, I need to interject here about going with the wind. My wife loves the book. Mm-hmm. That loves the book. I had a cousin once who was named after the the the plantation. Oh God. So my wife like I said loves the book. My advanced US history teacher in junior of high school was herself originally from someplace in the Confederacy. And in so many, so many great ways she was an amazing history teacher and I want to model my pedagogy off of her. Sure.

Great many ways. However, we got a modified lost cause curriculum from her and she showed us, gone with it. We had to sit through, gone with the wind in fucking history class. And I have never before or since wanted to strangle the protagonist of a movie. Which one, the rapist or the racist? Yes.

Although, here's the thing. Here's, okay. Here's the thing. You got to understand. I, um, ret, ret butler to me at least had the, the, the, the, the, the, the, here's the thing you gotta understand I Ret Butler to me at least Had the the dubious virtue of looking scarlet in the face and telling her she was full of shit Yeah, you know just like yeah, I you know because the thing is Throughout the entire movie she has this completely false sense of wounded like

victimhood. Wow it's almost as though she's the lost cause wrapped up in a person. wrapped up in a person and and just lines about fucking everything and she pines my witness. She pines after Ashley who I mean you know to me watching the movie as a junior high school I'm like he's a milk toast. Right what I mean, to me, watching the movie as a junior high school, I'm like, he's a milk toast. Right. I mean, oh my god. And just winds and bitches and his cateer sister who actually gets the guy. And he's just, I mean, nasty in so many ways.

And I spent the first two days that we had to watch this movie waiting for the moment where Clark Gable would look at her and say frankly my dear I don't give a damn I was waiting I was waiting because that moment was gonna be so cathartic for me yeah it wasn't because because every because every every clip I'd ever seen was him saying that and walking away I know no no no so now what happens is this is frankly my dear I don't give a damn he leaves and then the movie goes on for like No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Massive horrible racism. Yeah, the ugliest stereotype that I want to say over the stereotypes consigned to sell you Lloyd, but I know I'm probably wrong, but not even the top 10.

Not even the top 10. And depictions of union soldiers as just like, mindless group. Like, where did that come from? Here's the weird thing, you're mispronouncing Southern Pride. Oh, ah, yeah, heritage, not here. Yeah, yeah. So here's the thing also, the movie, Gone With The Wind, was lifted in so many ways

from the historiography at that time, which was lifted in so many ways from the, the, the DW Griffith movie. That movie impacted how history was written thereafter. So anything dealing with the South Reconstruction, the Civil War racism was tied, had its, it was Roots. Roots, yeah, it's DNA. Carved out of DW Griffith's movie.

It became the accepted, normal, and popular history as movies so often do. In the 1940s and in the 1960s, even though a lot of things had changed, a lot of things stayed the same. Jim Crow was incredibly entrenched in the South. And for a few generations, carnivals and exhibitions are coming to all kinds of towns. That's where wrestling comes in.

Woot! Yep. Alright. So in our next episode, this is gonna be a short one. But in our next episode, we are going to talk about the history of pro wrestling and I'm gonna geek out like a motherfucker. I'm so full of that. I'm so full of that. Oh my god. It's gonna be amazing. And it's also really goddamn sad.

So, so far, what have you gotten out of this? Well, that I have an abiding in eternal hatred for Scarlet, O'Hara, I mean that, that will never die. I'll reaffirm that. I mean, you know, since we're both history teachers, the historiography surrounding the Civil War is something that, you know, we're aware of, you know, professionally as a thing. But I had not heard the extent of Stevens' speech before.

And that one, I mean, you talked about me giving, making it difficult for you because I could not stop myself or pantomiming, take the shit out of him. Shit out of him on the floor while you were reading it. The ability of my fellow humans to take whatever faith and use it to justify the most backward ass shit like you know like Jesus literally said you know do unto others as you would have them do unto you as you do unto the least of my brothers. You do to me. Yeah.

And they took that book. They took, they took passage using the scripture out of the same part of that. But it's not even Old Testament crap. Well, actually it is. It's quotation, it's used, it's referenced in the in the in the Gospels, but it is originally taken from the Old Testament. But you know,, but it's about the rebuilding of the nation of Israel. The Hebrew people, the homeland of the Hebrew, that's what it's about after their enslavement

and exile in Babylon, and you're going to turn that around and use that as a justification for slavery. Forch and slavery. Yeah. Like Moses wants to come back and kick your ass. Yeah. Like all of the Hebrew prophets want to come back and kick your ass and Jesus who was a hard-line pacifist is going, you're really pushing it. Like, like, like, like, like he kind of wanted to leave the nail in his foot so we could put it up here and just like like, like, catch these wounded hands motherfucker, you know, like, you know, and, and, and as somebody who, who consciously made the decision to become a Christian, specifically a Catholic Christian, as an adult, and really studied this is what

this is about, and made that decision based on that understanding, perhaps hearing that kind of twisting really, like I have a hard time expressing in words because all the ones to come out is this incoherent, you know, Hulk smash kind of incoherent roar, but at the same time, you know, I look at all the other shit that people use my faith or faith related to mine to justify. Yeah. And, you know, I regularly wind up getting into it with people online who I'm like, okay, you can either be a Christian or you can believe I ran was right, you really can't do both. Because they're kind of, you know, I'm physically opposed.

It's not really, you know, and so being confronted with it like that, directly and hearing it's so boldly. And so boldly. And so the smarmy, yeah, bold faced. Yeah, it's really amazing how, and then the fact that Stevens after the war tried to go like, oh yeah, I want to know about that. Oh, right. He was totally, yeah, completely, completely, completely.

It reminds me of when McCarthy died. And people like, oh, well, at least he believed in what he did. And like everybody who knew him was like, no, he didn't. That's the worst part. He was, he was a two-faced, screaming, slimy, con man. Yeah, it's one thing. And it's terrible if someone believes in this shit.

Yeah. But it's even's one thing and it's terrible if someone believes in this shit. Yeah But it's even more tragic that a con man caught the scent in the wind and sent 600,000 people to their deaths Yeah in order to try to protect keeping was it three million people in bondage? Yeah, like it's it's it's that's even grosser He wasn't even doing it for the money necessarily, you know, it's like reading about Leopold the second and how Speaking of special places in hell. Yeah boy, howdy. Yeah Fucking up an entire continent also a guy obsessed with his the size of his hands Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had forgotten about that little But but yeah, it's it's here's the thing for me. I am not of a religious bend. No, I am a staunchly anti-theistic actually. Yeah. Um, and I am bothered by the perversion of the language

because to me our words are all we've got. Yeah. Um, little W words. Yeah. Um, that's all we've got. And so when you start making things that aren't facts into facts by calling them facts, you don't get to do that. I don't care what it's based on. That is not okay. No, no, no. Well, it's a violation of reality. This is the only one that I get yeah, I don't have an afterlife So don't mess with that right so all right well Next time I'm gonna talk to you about pro wrestling and it's again We're gonna go all the way back before the European Renaissance. Oh well, and I will catch you all the way up Do you don't cold Steve Austin and beyond so awesome all right? So until next

time, this is a Geek History of Time. You can follow us on Twitter at Geek History Time. You can follow me at Da Harmony and you can follow Ed at. E.H. Blaylock. And until then, keep rolling your D20s and I hope they come up 20. keep rolling your D20s and I hope they come up 20.