A Geek History of Time - Episode 37- Which Hogwarts House Has No Chill?

Episode Date: November 24, 2019

Our good friend Tessa Pogorelskin joins us for a discussion around the defining traits of the Houses of Hogwarts. As the lone Gryffindor at the table, Ed finds himself outnumbered. Everybody agrees Snape is trash.

And we begin with good day, sir. Geeks come in all shapes and sizes, and that they come into all kinds of things. I was thinking more about the satanic panic. Buy the scholar Gary Guy-Yaks. Well, wait, hold on. I said good day, sir. Not defending Roman slavery by any stretch. No, but that's bad.

Let him vote. Fuck off. When historians, especially British historians, want to get cute, but that's bad. Let him vote. Fuck off. When historians, especially British historians, want to get cute, it's in there. OK. It is not worth the journey. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Is a geek history of time where we can

add dirtary to the real world. I'm Ed Blalock, I'm a seventh grade world history teacher with one, count it one, orphan English section, here in Northern California, kill me now. And I am the father of a 22 month old little boy who has decided that everything in the world must in fact be climbed. He thinks he's Tenzing nor gay

I want to say I'm probably getting the name wrong, but he thinks he's a Sherpa. Oh, okay Like he honest to God really thinks just he doesn't care what it is. He's gonna climb it and That's that's by turns wonderful and heart attack inducing. So how about you? Who the hell are you? I'm Damian Harmony. I'm likely the one who taught your child to climb everything and act like a Sharpe. And I am a Latin teacher here in Northern California

with one, Countum 1, orphan world history class. And we just got finished with the Dutch East India and British East India Company, to which one student said, these guys are assholes. And I said, it's funny, you would say that, and I hit the slide. And the next slide that came up was, these guys are assholes.

So you're teaching high school, you can get away with shit like that. Yes, you know. Oh, it gets better. Now they have to decide what's better for a peasant farmer, a corporation teaching high school. You can get away with shit like that. Yes. You know, oh, it gets better. Now they have to decide what's better for a peasant farmer, a corporation or an empire, and they're all leading empire. That's how bad these corporations were. Well, yeah.

And then I pointed out to them, I mean, you know, how many sentences or how many pages are about these corporations in your book, and they realize that zero. Zero, count zero. Because everything, everything you've, all the capital zero is good. Well, all the materials that you've provided to them

to find out about these two, you know, imperialist, capitalistic enterprises, has undoubtedly been primary source material. You have yourself found and you realize to enrich the curriculum because it isn't fucking there. Otherwise, yeah, well, I pointed out also that Napoleon conquered less territory curriculum because it isn't fucking there otherwise. Yeah, well, I pointed out also that Napoleon conquered less territory during the Napoleonic Wars than did the British East India Company in India.

And I said, yeah, based on landmass, how many pages does Napoleon get? And they were all like, oh, wow, I said, yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, well, and what they may or may not, that all mention is the guy that finally did defeat Napoleon Started out working for the British East India company. Oh, we're gonna get Terry commander. We're gonna get there Yeah, it's it was in fact an insult that Napoleon used to refer to him as, you know that general of C. Poise. Yes Which so as a as an angloile and kind of a Franco fob. There's a certain amount of shodden fruit involved in yeah you keep talking like that right up until waterloo. Hmm. Locker. I noticed that there are two

people to the left and to the right. Oh my god we're surrounded. Who are boarded tears with. Yeah well with us with us. Yeah, well, it's so good. So first we've got producer George. Hello. Hey. Yeah, good to have you back. And we also have a new guest. Yes, who are you?

Tell us about yourself. I'm going with my maiden name because I don't feel like adding 16 angry parent emails to my list. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. This week I am Tessa Pogrelskin. I am a seventh gradeogrelskin. I am a seventh grade science teacher

somewhere in Northern California. And I have gotten a lot of shit for doing basically nothing but teaching. However, I also teach art and I piss off parents by the billboard. Nicely done. That's what I've learned this week. I also have a almost one year old

who has decided that she is the wrecking ball and not Miley Cyrus. Okay. And we're deciding to test things by seeing what happens when we smash our face and or the back of our head into them. Nice. Okay.

Yeah. I didn't mention my progeny. No, I didn't. I had the oldest of them all. Yeah. Yes, and the double list of them all, I have two children. One is almost a double digit midget, and the other one is seven. She's just finished Harry Potter, and he is working his way

through the Clone Wars comics right now. Oh. And he's really getting interested in certain bounty hunters and certain Jedi. Oh, really? A lot of fun with that. Yes. All right. Yeah.

So I'm going to go right into it. Sure. So the other day, we had a conversation going on on Facebook in which speaking of your daughter, I asked you what house she had been sorted into. And you responded that she was a Gryffindor. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. She is. his daughter is just about the least surprising thing you're going to hear. That's true. Yeah. And that you had had a conversation with her, where you talked about her being a griffin door, as I understood the way you made the remark.

As I understood the way you made the remark, by virtue of her having the good traits of slither and raven claw and the two of them combined expressing as essentially griffin door. That was the way I understood your remark at the time. That's the moderator by the way. Yeah, moderator. Yeah, quote unquote moderator. Our imoterate moderator. And so I had a series of dragon bones to pick with that. There. And so that is the genesis of this episode. So long as you don't take all the dragon bones.

Yeah, well, yeah. When they're sleeping. No, yeah, of course not. Kevin, because we're crunchy and tasty with ketchup. Oh, I would, oh. Producer George, can I get a timestamp on that one? Six minutes, twenty seconds. Oh, you're slipping.

Well, you talked about your kids for like two minutes. Sorry. Yeah, all right, good point. She's gonna hear a dog. You do. He's storing. Sorry. Yeah. All right. Good point. Is he freaking a hair dog? You do. He's storing in the other room. Yeah. He'll come in here.

It's so easy. It's a little bit of a hill. Yeah. It's freaky. But I'm fine. So it's like Owen's mom. Do what I have to keto. Yeah, good point.

So, um, yes. You made this, this, this assertion. Yes. Statement, retarding. These are your daughters' character traits. Yes. You made this assertion. Yes. The statement regarding these are your daughters' character traits. Yes. And so thus, this expresses as... As Gryffindor. Gryffindor.

Yes. And I am a house essentialist, which I know in certain corners of Tumblr is deeply frowned upon, but I think canonically that's the kind of way it's intended to work. Okay. And while we have a through line that states, authorial intent means dick. Right. So when the author herself keeps changing shit after the fact, she's like the George Lucas

of J Rowling. Someone needs to take the internet away from her. And they should have had at least Twitter a long time ago. No, because if you take away Twitter, she'll find something else. That's true. All right, good point. She'll be crawling to something else. Yeah, yeah, you know, JK Rowling. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh. Okay, you know, you're so you're making you're making up you're making up for a slow start by now hitting us more frequently. Yes. Okay. All right. Just so I know what I'm in for for the rest of the evening. A lot of peppering. Oh lord. event. Yes. I wanted to have the discussion about that. Sure. And you know, the first thing that I want to say about it is before. Well, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, motherfucker. It's question. Okay. Because it was stated. And so we need clarification. Sure. Okay. When you say that

a griffin door is someone who has the good characteristics of slithering. Elaborate, what do you mean by good characteristics of slithering? Fair enough. Well, first, actually, before we even get to that, I think it might be appropriate that we identify what house we identify most with. Okay.

Just so that we can see where the implicit biases are. That's right. You yourself said you were an essentialist, so I would assume that you are a Gryffindke. Oh, this is my surprise face right here. Smack. Oh, so that's how it's going to be. I see. Alright, okay, yes. As a matter of fact, I am. Okay. Yeah. Well, that too. Yeah. So, yeah, I am. I am I anybody. No, anybody knows me. He's gonna say okay. So yeah drama King has a sword Okay, okay Multiple swords which require a wreck thank you. You have a sword wreck

Okay for once we're gonna have to move the mic away from it. Oh my god. All right, well, you know, you I finally found your passion Yeah, you talk like that about my collection You know, yes, so yeah, I have a sword bris here You know if you have a sword rack Oh, I might have to talk to my wife about it I'm just saying it depends on how cold it gets I might have to talk to my wife about that one. I'm just saying. It depends on how cold it gets,

since you can come back home. So, but yeah, drama king self-involved, owns multiple swords because they're just way too cool. Errogant is fuck. Yeah. I'm not, you know,

but here's the thing. I'm home. It's actually honest about all of it, and it owns it. Very much so. So, transparently so. You guys are keeping Harry Potter far too much credit to think that he would ever be able to intellectually own

anything that he ever did ever. No, but her mind. Her mind is totally on the nose about, oh, yeah, well, I am arrogant because I'm smarter than all of the books. Like that's, she's what happens when a Ravenclaw decides to be brave. She's what happens. Well, okay, okay, here's a deal. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get it

We get to the right ones anyway. Move on the fucking your house. You're how it's pretty goddamn obvious that I'm a Ravenclaw Who wishes he was a hufflepuff? That's fair. Ravenclaw rising hufflepuff setting Just like I'm a chimping rising, but a bonobo setting. You know what I, I really want to throw my shit at people, but I'd rather try hump them into friendship. Like that's how it works. I was gonna say you're a chimp when you pitch and a bonobo when you can't.

Right. Okay. I'll take that. Over and over again. Speaking of purple. So many. So I wish that I were a hufflepuff. I try really hard to be a hufflepuff,

but we all know that I get something like that. You're way too much for God damn smart ass. Yeah, exactly. You're entirely, entirely too impressed by your own cleverness. Yes, yes. Like, yes. Like, you know, having...

I love dropping that last pin of the pun in there. And suddenly the whole thing lights up. Yeah, and you are fueled by the response of, oh, yeah, how did you not see that coming now that it's obvious? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there you go, and our moderator. Graving Bob, 10 out of 10. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, basically, like, Spock with a lot more inherent rage. Spock with emotions. Spock with emotions. Yeah. Spock with emotions. Yeah. Pretty much. But all the time.

Having worked with her? Yeah. All the time. All the time. All the time. Because this is the thing, is that like, with those parent emails, I'm just sitting there going like, this makes no sense.

And I go from like, looking at and going, there's no, like, I'm both angry because it makes no sense. And then I'm also sitting there like going, that's not how you use a comma. And there's two parts of me that I can't separate. Where I am both ins incensed at their inability to hold their child accountable, and at their inability to use basic grammar and spelling.

Yeah, no, no. I literally got one that was like, the longest run on sentence in my life, and I had to sit there and read it, not because I didn't know what it said, because I was like, there has to be a fucking period in here somewhere. And I reread it like six or seven times before,

it was just like, okay, so. Oh my God, there's no period. And I only totally forgot to respond to that email because I was so angry My students do that when translating liby. They're like where's the goddamn period? Welcome to life mother-fucker Yeah, yeah, well one welcome to Latin number two Welcome to lecturing in church. Yeah, oh In in in the book of acts or anything written by fall.

Bindu Abadmitz, but they don't stop singing. Well, yeah, well, yeah. I'm just saying, every two or three services are related. Three hours later, Jeremy's going, what the fuck? What is happening? I'm like, don't worry,

they're gonna start walking the tour around it. He's like, crying. I'm not having a good time, they're gonna start walking the tour around it. He's like Why? Yeah, yeah, so but Paul of course started as a Pharisee. Absolutely. So there won't be any surprise And he was upset that he didn't get the bodily resurrection. So he was sad you see Maybe claw for the win. Good, days, sir. But then he got stoned off his ass and we're not going to lie. Nice, nice, nice, well, well done.

I appreciate that one. But anyway, he never saw a period he liked ever, or a comma, or a semicolon, like, no. Yeah, that's the reason I'm not. So that run on sentence, I actually want you to send that to me. I will. Because I can use that as coaching for the next time I have to read anything by Paul and church. I can get that and practice.

But you remember the trilogy of suck. Remember that one? Yeah. How drunk with power and I was crazy and all this other stuff. And I literally just sat there and go, he keeps using big words, but that's wrong. Like that was when I kept pointing out to you, and that's when I am a Ravenclaw, because literally this guy was trying to intimidate me with like his police prison email ender,

and I'm just sitting there going, that's not how you use that word in that sentence. That's not how you use that word in that sentence. So now, as an example of my own essentialist kind of outlook, I'm gonna throw something, you're both of your way. Okay. Now you, Damien, you're both of your way. Okay. Now, you, Damien, I know have had to deal with this situation because we're social studies types.

Yes, this is a thing. In the California curriculum, we are expected in the junior high and high school levels, I'm sorry, middle school and high school levels. There are units of what we teach that involve comparative religion. Yes, okay. So we have to teach about the fundamentals

of what it is that Islam teaches. We have to teach fundamentals of what it is. Buddhism teaches. And because we live in the United States in the 21st century, we have to deal with possibility at the very least the possibility and on occasion, the actuality of Highly religious. I'm not gonna say faithful. I'm gonna say religious parents becoming offended right by the very fact that we are

Daining to have a different religion. I know why they're at classroom. Well hold on hold on. So wait I know I we all know we're teaching the children of fundamentalists the fundamentals of yes, and they don't like that Yes, they only want their yeah, no fun. They're totally Because it's the only way to keep the minute but keep going. Yeah, so so here's the thing and the way you phrase that is meaningful Yes, so here's the thing I Last year, yes for the first time Actually, I remember this. I actually had to deal with a parent.

Get rock. I had to deal with a parent who wanted to pull her kid out of my class during the Islam unit because she was a fundee dipstick. Sure. Now, I remember when. She's one of the terrorists when. Sure, now, I remember. She's one of the terrorists, when. Yeah, well, yeah.

So, or the pilgrims. Or the pilgrims. Well, aren't they the same? They kind of, yes. You beat them. Damn it, we invite you to come here and you go, oh my gosh. Ah, ah, ah, ah.

So, so anyway, she wanted to pull her kid out of my classroom, this unit. And now, what offends you to us about all this is that it is fueled by ignorance. Right. And in your case, the epic, wonderful preparatory letter that you have ready to go, which I'll let you describe in a minute. I kind of want to come up with this. I'll say it to the both of you. It has a very great deal to do with your own. Oh, so that's the argument you want to make.

Let me explain to you just why this is ridiculous through brilliant Latin style satire. My whole issue was not so much you're an ignorant idiot. You want your kids to're an ignorant idiot and you want your kids stay an ignorant idiot but my issue was rooted like like the primary source of my because I was pissed off that she was an ignorant and I wanted to keep a kid ignorant but but the primary source of my duchess about the whole thing had more to do with the fact that we live in a poly-poly religious pluralistic society,

the kids need to know about pluralism in order to function in our society and make our society a better place. They don't want it to be a better place. They don't want it to stay the same because they're crap and lords. And they keep the same shape. Oh, I will, but I'm gonna get, wait, one second. It's coming. So they are crap lords because they're not good enough

to be shit lords. They're like skid marks. So these crap lords want to keep the world super shitty because somewhere in her fucked up, Fundy mind, she thinks that as long as it's shitty, the apocalypse is gonna fucking happen and she's gonna get rapsured.ured in my opinion if you just hit her with a brick she get raptured a lot faster. This is what happens when brains are

smoothed over. Yeah. So but what I'm saying is essential with argument here is is that the differentiation in our outlook is part of, I'm not going to say it's the whole thing, there's also an elemental tie. But is part of the difference between why the two of you got sorted the way you did and the way I did? I couldn't choose, then. I argue the fact that you're saying you're saying that it's the idea of the differentiation of religions

and the fact that everybody needs to learn to get together. And then I'm saying here, go on, you're fucking ignorant. And here's you're saying, we'll fuck you. Here's the reason why you suck. I'll tie down to the fact that we want people to be able to live together with tolerance and not being dickwads. We do.

But that's for how they get there. None of us are slitherans. I would argue that because... Jeremy is a slitheran. What? Jeremy is a slitheran. I said he was a hufflepuff. No, he really maddened retook the test.

He's a hufflethrane. He's a hufflethrane. Slitherpuff. Slitherpuff. Slitherpuff. That sounds like, oh man, the visual that that just kind of... He's a huffle slitherin'. He's a hufflethrin. Slither puff. Slither puff. That's leather puff. That sounds like, oh man, the visual that that just comes up. Badger snake.

No. That sounds much cleaner. That sounds like a slither. Yeah, he's a slither. Really? Yeah. Okay. All right.

He's right or nice, slitherin' though. Oh, really? Really. All right. And he is the opposite of the bad guy. Right. He's right or nice, Lothar in there. Really? Really. All right. And he is the opposite of the bad guy. Right. Ooh, that kind of goes to my points.

Oh, yeah. Okay, so continuing. What are the good points of Slytherin? And what do you mean by, quote unquote, the good points? All right, so each house is an elemental thing. Each house is, no, poor one out for the homeless. Each house is a a various member of the Fantastic Four or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles yeah it's all

it's all yeah the four humorous right so I titled this white slither and isn't bad and why it figures that a Griffin door would think they were cheers fuck you yes so to paraphrase Sirius Black, a well-known griffin door. Yeah, it's from Slytherin Liniage. From Slytherin Liniage, which tells me that they're really kind of two sides of the same coin the whole way through. All right. Yeah, and Sirius Black is the kind of guy that'll make you sweat and make you groove. So.

Severus Potter is well-wit. Yep. Oh my godius Black said something to the effect of, and I'm paraphrasing, I'm Damien phrasing, the world isn't split into good people in death theaters, we've all got what's light and dark inside us. Okay. Right? Right there, Obi-Wan. Yep. And he, well, no, Obi-Wan died before he could, oh, that's right. The difference in Sirius Black was actually doing good things, where his Sobby-Wan died before he could, oh, that's right. Um, the difference is serious, Black was actually doing good things, where his soby-wan was just

saving a young man to sacrifice him later. I can't imagine who would do that. Oh, no, gee, definitely not somebody from Griffindor. Hmm. So, yeah, funny. But it's okay, you're right. Narrative structure. Totally, and just to find the means.

Narrative structure. Okay, anyway. Yeah, anyway. So positive qualities of Sutherland, per're right. Narrative structure. Totally, and just to find the means. Narrative structure. Okay, anyway. Yeah, anyway. So positive qualities of Sutherland, per your questions, their strategic. Okay. Cunning. Yup. Okay.

I think that's a positive thing. Ambitious. So, hang on. Sure. Since cunning can be construed as a negative quality. Yes. Because we tend to use it in a more negative light. Yes.

How would you construe it to be a positive one? Positive cunning would be like, you ever see that episode of mash where they're going all over the place to get another incubator so they can actually test to see if people are dying of diseases. Yes. It took a lot of cunning to get all those trades going in Hawkeye. It was a very

cunning fellow. All right. But he was definitely a good man. Yeah. Ambitious. Mm-hmm. Also can be construed as negative, but ambitious people get shit done in the right way sometimes. Intelligent, patient, precise, sensitive, image conscious, which matters, calculating and pragmatic. Okay. Notable slither ins in fiction and in history. Now we can certainly hash out whether or not they're good or bad. The first one would be Michael Corleone. Okay. Let's play this on the top. Yeah. Okay. Cool. I think he was

ultimately good gone bad, good brought back. And he even says it in I think a very good, I'm gonna say episode, because I'm a star with him. In part three of the Godfather, he says, what could I do? I wanted to do this and I wasn't allowed to. You know, my father, what could I do? What every time, and he has this wonderful talk,

everything I've done is for my family and everything I've done. Every time I, and he even says, right before his diabetic heart attack, where he says, just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. He's constantly trying to walk the right walk, and he doesn't. And not the same way the Anakin pretends to try to walk the right walk. Michael's doing it for actually good reasons, as opposed to I want mommy to love me. But that be argued for that could be argued for Draco as well. Yep. And the Draco didn't have a goddamn chance. No, Draco. I am going to agree that Draco was a victim of Draco was suddenly bringing in a huge dick. Oh, yeah, what? Also Tony Stark Okay, absolutely Slytherin. Yeah

Nope totally All right Sherlock Holmes. Oh go with it. Yep Slytherin all day I'm gonna know that he's too full of himself to be a Ravenclaw I'm sorry. Have you seen the way this guy reacts? What do you get to put on? Oh? No, no, no. Not his two full of himself to be a Ravenclaw. I'm sorry, have you seen the way in this guy reacts? What do you get to put on a hat? Oh no, I have. Oh no! But I know, no, no, no.

At least 30% of that's affect. Juts. Because think about Sherlock Holmes, that he's not looking for the reaction from anybody else. I don't care, it's self-serving. His is 50% self-servingving 50% fucking with you. Yes All right, I feel sorry. All fucking day. I was gonna be free. I was like, that bitch is a huffle puppy.

No, he is. Tom Paris was a slither answer. Yeah, yeah. The leader of Nova Squadron was a hundred percent. Oh, he's the wrong way. He didn't lock that one. He fucked that one. FDR.

Very nutrition. way. He went that way. He did lock that one. He fucked that all over. FDR. Mm-hmm. Very nutrition. I'm right and I'm going to do the right thing for everyone else because they're not smart enough to do it themselves. Absolutely. And possibly Harry Potter himself. Well, yes. He's having been given the option and he chose. And he chose. And it's a choice.

Yes, it's a choice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's just the way. The other thing. I was hoping he had. He had had on. Yep. Hat said, yo bitch, you're a slither in.

He went, I have heard slitherans are evil. Through my own ignorance, I will decide to go to Gryffindor. Harry did not choose a side. Harry ran away from the choice. If Harry had gone into slithering, Harry would have had a much more difficult path as far as his morality. He chose to be in a house because he could not deal with that choice. He thought if he went in to

slither in, he based it off his meeting with Malfoy and everything he heard from Ron Weasley. He had no actual information. It's true. And just when it comes down to it, Gryffindor's are bitches, but keep going. Okay, well now there's also Slytherin who make everyone look like assholes. Yes. Okay. Draco, Snape, Voldemort, most of the bad guys in Harry Potter books. Okay. Several of the ones in the prior list. Also make everyone look like assholes. Also, I'm just saying there's no way to make Snape look like a good person. No, no, no. We are, I'm pretty sure everybody at this table is going to agree that Snape should have

lost his teaching license like... Snape should have been heated into the fucking piss. Now, having said that, I will have a little bit to not apologize for Snape, but to be... He is an in-sell fuckface. Yes, just bought. And there's a little more to him than that though. A, he is our red-dow. He's still responsible. All the way down.

He's still responsible for it. He's wearing a trillbeat. You're absolutely right. But there is still a shred of humanity in him. And it wasn't holy his fault. Okay, we can do that, and I'm gonna destroy that. But we will keep going. I'm happy destroy that but we will keep going happy for that No, I'm like here. I hate in in in regard to

The statements about Harry and his morality. Yes, that segues into Statement that so so you say based on his interaction with Draco based on what he heard from Heard from Hagrid based on what he heard from, when we easily heard from Hagrid, and even for that. What I want to point out is, if we're working from canonical sources, yes, we aren't.

The only information we get from canonical sources are the aforementioned characters who are all unreliable narrators. And who are, who are, everybody is, it's the nature of the beast, everybody is an unreliable narrator. But the only interactions we ever have are Everybody is the nature of the beast. Everybody is an unreliable narrator. But the only interactions we ever have are

that they are pure blood racists, to one extent or another, the very foundation of the house was built on Salazar's litter and saying, I wanna place for hold on. He didn't have this information. So we're going canotonical we're going from the choice all Harry knew was that Hagrid said there was never a good wizard that came out of Slytherin which we know canotonically he said because of his experiences with

Tom Marvolo Riddle fucking him over over with Spider. And then from Ron Weasley saying that Slytherin's are dicks in so many words, because they treat them like shit because they're poor and it's the Malfoy family. We are looking specifically at who Slytherin individuals at this point. Harry does not know, yes, but we are looking specifically at the information he's getting from people.

No, I understand what I'm saying. He doesn't know about the purebred racism yet. Okay, well granted, but I'm not. He's saying the can. I'm saying, I'm saying. The can in the family. The house is built around the idea of purebred racism. Built it for us at that point yet.

Well, no, not at that point. He's talking about the total of the picture. Totally, yeah, totally. Totally of the picture. The house is the culture of the house. Yes. Is built around class elitism. Yes.

Yes. And racial purity. Yes. And there is a point made repeatedly about how many of them have a naturally pale hair, and arianism, and etc. And so now I'm seeing our producer giving us signals, are we coming up on a break? Yeah, we're actually just about to hit a commercial break. So I'm going to leave that, I'm going to put a pin in that right now, and then we'll pick

up after the break because we got a pitch stuff. Cool. Okay. Hey geek nation. This is Ed and Damien. Hey, what you got there? I got a copy of the stolen by my good friend, Bishop O'Connell. He is a Norwegian wedding cake creator. No, he is not. Oh, he is a urban fantasy writer. Remember the science fiction writers of America? Oh, wow. So that looks like it says one of three. Yes, well, it's the first volume of an American fairy tale. Other two volumes are the forgotten and the returned.

Nice. What's, it's fairy tales. I mean, there's a lot of Celtic and Irish folklore in there. A very great deal, yes. The first novel actually involves the characters traveling to Tyrannotnaug. No kidding. Yeah. Wow, I remember that from Titanic.

Yeah, you. Good day, sir. With that back to the show. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. getting expressed because my remarks about, oh you mean the side of the coin that actually has ethics and you know, sense of moral decency, right? Was at least 40% me being a smart ass. Sure. But there's 60% of information there, and that's what I want. But the ultimate argument that I was trying to make had to do with house essentialism, that there is something fundamentally important in someone's character and in Harry's case there was something that led him to make that choice. Now the argument can be made and it's it's a solid argument

that you know it's it was it was his his lack of understanding, it was his lack of understanding or his psychic, whatever you wanna call it, premonition that he was gonna have a harder time in Slytherin. He spoke poor, so tonguey, wasn't psychic. What? Bitch could talk to snakes. But it's psychic in a broader sense.

It's not like a snake came up to him, it was like, you bitch, this is a bad house. Oh, I don't know if you saw this His daughter figured something out point something out that blew my fucking mind. What do it? You tell a story the snake in the zoo What about it? Snagini. What's that? Snagini? It's not a little nagini. I had like until I heard that from him Relating it from his daughter that had not occurred to me like the guinea's actually like super chill

It's kind of fucked up that cut her head off because she was just like yo I'm going to South America and then Voldemort was like bitch. I know. No, no, no, I'm sorry Yeah, I'm a slave here. Yeah, she was gonna follow you on tour To the battle in Humb tour. Yeah, she's a python damn it She's going to South America She's got a candy on it too. No, I think she more she spits venom not cast a net Again Python, oh this is a time it's I'm not inviting

Yeah, it's still Well, you're just don't expressing it. It's being expressed as opposed to, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna like it. Sorry. I'm sorry that you don't, I don't like it. And by the way, folks, Ravenclaw, I need, I need a better term. That's not sufficiently precise. Well, it's better if it's better word.

The rule is that if you bite it and you die, it's poisonous. If it bites you and you die, it's venomous. But then what about if it pukes on you and you die? Well usually if it pukes on you, you're not necessarily gonna die. You're gonna be blinded or scarred or burned or something and driven away. Do you see my problem though?

I do, I do. What if it gets in your mouth? What if it gets the fortunate shot? The initial? But you have to know. No? No? Which are in the name poison. So I think that's where you. fortunate shot. The initial. But you know, I know, which are in the name poison.

So I think that's where you. That's fuck up. That should be named venom. But if you eat those dark frogs, but it's the reason why they die. But if they take it and then they stab you, I guess it's still like a bite.

Well, yeah, well, yeah, the source is a poison. Tossing dark frog. It's reading, not expressing anything. There's that might be the difference. I'm just saying it should be like, oh, it's a toxin. It's a toxin. Yeah, it's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog.

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It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. It's a toxic dirt frog. elemental associations. Right. There are, and you know, you've taken the Pottermore quiz the way it gets weighted. And there are decisions that you have to make and things that you have to judge based on an internal set of whatever it is that you care about, whatever it is that you are prioritizing for other things. Also just so that people who have never done

the Pottermore quiz will understand the Pottermore quiz does not act like a Buzzfeed quiz. It's just like, pick evil shit, become slithered. Pick smart shit, you're a raven cloth. Look, chaos. Oh, hey, Griffin, door. Look, biscuits. You're a hot pot.

I came here to have a good time, and I honestly just feel so attacked right now. Yeah, I know, here. Potomark actually gets attacked. I can't argue, right? Potomark is a different one. I am attacked. I know here. But I can't argue, right? I can't argue, right? You feel see me in the test. I am a test.

I am a test. Well, because of the thing is that like, you know, they make it really obvious that you can select what you're going to be in, whereas like you cannot select what you want to be. And you will think that you are selecting things to get into something and then you go motherfucker, what the hell? There have been people that have had existential crises over this. You know, the most scrubbed through podcast.

Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, so, yeah. But my, what I wanted to respond to at the time was the idea that, you know, you showed up in this house because you have this trait and this trait, which are the good point traits of this other house, but when you combine them together, you wind up getting placed here. And I think there is an underlying set of characteristics specifically that your daughter has,

that I think are, that are why she got sort of the way she did, rather than that it's, well, you know, it couldn't decide between these two. that I think are, that are why she got sort of the way she did, rather than that it's, well, you know, it couldn't decide between these two. And so you got over here. If that makes sense. Yeah, I think, I think, I think the, the differences in emphasis, the differences in priority, the differences in what you value.

Right. I mean, because you can be smart and wind up in any one of the four houses. Talking point. Brave and wind up in any of the four houses. Go. Challenge to you both. Okay. Griffin door is the chaotic good of all three houses.

Yeah. Don't leave it. You mean of all four houses? No, because it's the fourth house. Oh. Griffin door is the chaotic good. One of four. Okay. Of all the three, because it's the fourth house. Oh, Gryffindor is the chaotic good. It's one of four.

Okay. Of all the three houses. It's its own house. So I would argue, like Gryffindor, does not actually have its own qualities per se. It takes all the people that do not quite fit because they all have one particular trait in common. Okay.

It's the ablative case of all the houses. DETERMINATION Why would Hermione not mind up in Ravenclaw? I often wondered that myself and my daughter and I have discussed it, and we both kind of came down to, while she is exceptionally smart, she has also got a courage that supersedes that intelligence sometimes, almost an impulsiveness.

That's the word that I'm looking for. Yeah. So. This is my thought. You have the smartest person in school. Yeah. The smartest individual in school, who by all arguments should be in Ravenclaw, right?

Wait, it's not Cho Chang? No. Hard pass. Anyway. Sorry, I just loved that they named somebody two last names. I know. It's because she's so white in her earth.

And Cho, Cho has been done dirty because she was greeting, so it makes sense. But anyway, Hermione's stupid smart. Yeah, that's a really good way to put it. And yeah, in illegal potion, the polygious potion, steals ingredients, makes it in a bathroom. This is basically wizard bathroom meth.

Yeah. Harry, that ends up going to be a pussy. Yeah, okay, yeah. She and Harry and Ron both make this contraband, ingest it without a single thought. To break more laws by stalking people. Yep. Wait, are there laws in Hogwarts against stalking?

We're pretending. Actually, you know what? That's a good question. Yeah. Do we have the database of wizard laws? Actually, we really did. All? No, because the ministry absolutely arrests

and bust people out for shit. But for like dumb shit, they're like, like, right, lost. That's it. Well, they're lost. They're lost. We can get into that. They're like, don't operate. He operated.

Yeah. But are there any rules against making somebody puke slugs? No. No, I mean, we'll take their place. Are there any rules against making somebody like literally be a cut bitch in the bathroom and like bleed out to death? No, no, I mean we'll take our rules against making somebody like literally be a cut bitch in the bathroom and like bleed out to death. No, all right cool. Yeah, it's quite a chosen one. Just my control. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, no, they're they're the could you argue the legal code pursued by the wise gamut is really, really oddly focused.

Yeah, really like like there's this category of stuff that's going to get you locked away in literal lifetime psych-twittery emotional torment forever. And then all this other crap you want to do, yeah, well, you know, we're wizards deal with it. Yeah, like little crimes against you mad at anyone with a flat care. So could you argue? British courted, could you argue? Against the fact that Gryffindor is basically a mismatch of the chaotic good of everyone that fit into every other house, but because they're nuts, they get stuck into this. I'm kidding.

Literally the hat just goes, wow, you're so smart, but Jesus Christ, you have not shown control at all. You get to go in and Gryffindor, oh my God, you're so nice You're gonna fuck this house. Let's put you in Gryffindor. Yeah, that's what it is No, wait actually I Think I think you have to nail on the head a second ago and they call it no chill. Yeah, you have no no chill

Like look at me That was a huffle puff, but then he said 30's like Bug that yeah He's like, that's a awful puff, but then he says, and he's like, bugged that. Yeah. And here's the thing. He has all the characteristics that would normally be a hufflepuff. Yes. But he can avoid out.

Well, he does two significantly notable things over the course of the book. The immediately jump to mind that are, that is, never going fucking hard. Number one is him standing in front of the power trio. Yes. At the end of the first thing, I am not going to let you do this. You're going to screw it up for everybody else.

Yep. No. Yeah. And stands there and which is sheer chaos because Harry Hermione and Rod are basically are hurricane. Yes. Well, yeah. It's literally the equivalent of a white guy in a wife,

Peter, shooting at the hurricanes that were coming towards Florida. Tell me I'm wrong. I can't because he's that guy that came last time. That image is too in front of the storm. Yeah. Yeah, that image is too evocative for me to argue against. I can't. I just can't.

So there's that one. And then at the end of the series, he turns into the leader of the fucking resistance. Yes. And he is Mr. Oh, I'm sorry, no, I'm not gonna talk. Not only am I not gonna talk, I'm gonna laugh at you while you fucking hitting me. Because you know what, I go hard, I have no choice.

It's because he used whatever her biology shit and he feels no pain, because we don't know what the I go hard. I have no chill. It's because he used whatever her biology shit and he feels no pain because we don't know what the hell he took. And that's how to wait. What he was smoking is between. He's like on, yeah, wait, wait. Then why has he no chill? Because he's thinking to me. No, he doesn't.

No, he's nervous. It doesn't. He did. He did just make sure he feels no pain. Like, the main character from kickass. Yeah, that's the thing. He's like, I'm like, punching him in the face. It's like your ears feel like you're making a character from kick ass. That's the thing, it's like I'm like punching him in the face. It's like you don't know what shit I took. I feel nothing.

Like, have you met my grandma? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, my grandma hits harder with you. So that's the thing is that you like to go pop, pop, pop, pop. Jesus! You're gonna wreck that house. You don't get to be a part of that house.

Look at Shamus. Shamus is the dictionary definition of chaotic good. Oh my god the bad guys are here I get to blow up everything Because that's what he's been waiting for Oh shit, oh that's fucked. I know My god wait Irish made his bombing And remember how it is that you managed to And she's English yeah, of course You know who's trying to turn his team into whiskey? Yeah, you know

How's that speaking as a kelv I know that for an unfortunate story. I'm just saying we Definitely It's not entirely wrong down You can totally take Jake here I gotta make a okay, I gotta make a plug real quick Okay. I gotta make a plug real quick. I gotta make a plug real quick. If you want to talk about breaking houses down and if you actually want to see a remarkably sympathetic depiction of specific numbers of slither in house. It's snake and fuck it. Oh no Oh no, it's crab and goil.

My college best friend, rewrote volumes like two through. They were done. They were totally done dirty. He winds up turning the two of them into secondary protagonists. And I have seen this. And their whole thing is we're we're a couple of essentially Their character is working class heroes. You know that surrounded by a bunch of smoddy three-peo on our class guys Did he publish this because I've seen this? It's yeah, it's been on a

What of our own? Knowing that but yes, I Know archive of our've come on now. Do you have a nerd? Yeah, well. So, yeah. Well, I meant the whole reason that it exists. But, but what if one of the best lines out of his work to me is when somebody, Ron, winds up laughing at the two of them because they say something about pansy Parkinson being, you know, scary now because they're all coming back after being away at summer right and one of them says to Ron something about

oh yeah no you need to you need to stay clear of pansy Parkinson and Ron is like pansy Parkinson are you kidding and they both look at him like he's a moron and say oh the bints take into bloody dark mark in that accent. At which point Ron goes, oh, yeah shit. But the line, the bits take into bloody dark mark. He basically, without realizing it, he turned the two of them into John Constantine from Hellblazer. That's amazing. And yeah, I have to look the title up.

I get, and tell y'all to go read it, but it's awesome. I have read it, I can't believe it. So, so. I didn't realize he's the one that wrote that. You bet it, I'm talking about it. So in any event, I think the, at the end of the day, basically my whole argument, at least in terms of the point that I felt you were making. The calendar was there are characteristics. In the case of Gryffindor's, it's having no chill. That is what puts you in that house.

And for Ravenclaw's, I would argue it is a dedication to the idea of truth. A dedication to, idea of truth. Eh. A dedication to if you know things, and if you are pursuing knowledge, implicit in that, if you're pursuing knowledge for the sake of knowledge, implicit in that is seeking for truth. The virtue that I would associate with Ravenclaw is truth. The virtue that I would associate with Ravenclaw is truth. The virtue that I would associate with...

I'm feeling judo coming. I'm feeling, yeah, I'm feeling like I can twist this. Okay, go on. But Hufflepuff, the virtue that we could assign to them is... Kind of Linguis. Nice. Yeah. Hi, my man, temperate.

Right. Or, you know, they are the ones who have the ability. They are the ones who have all the chill. Right. They have the chill. They have the chill. They're just down in the house. And if we want to then assign a virtue to Slytherin, which I think is only fair, it would be drive.

Yeah, ambition. It would be striving, reaching for that, which is out of reach. It's the, when Kurt got separated. Yeah. Yeah, so. So, and when he got separated, by by the way all his courage went with him too That's why I keep saying two sides of the same coin or

Okay, so I like that so then with the idea that Pop culture has paid his solar and to be an evil light. Yes, when you say that to be an evil light. Yes. When you say that, I mean, this is basically going to devolve into D and D classification. Well, but that's fine. We use that shorthand all the time. Yes. So, Gryffindor would be the chaos. I would argue there is an inherent element of,

yes, based on the way they have been characterized, we don't see anybody coming out of the house who winds up being... Percy. Percy. No. Percy, but he's kind of ostracized as a result of it, though. But.

He's a little bitch. But he goes hard evil. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. All right. Because he's the chaotic evil in that he follows the rules, but no he takes the rules and bends them in a way that he can try to persecute people. He literally takes his power and tries to use it to...

Power becomes an end to itself. Power becomes an end unto itself. Yes, but he does it, it's not linear, it's ends up to itself. It comes and ends unto itself. Yes, but he does it. It's not linear, it's not by the book. He literally finds things that he can use in the books. So he's the track for a second to come back around to this. I would say when we say that the defining characteristic of Riff and Dorses is they have no chill.

Yes. A way to break that down into what we might call a virtue that we can assign to them. I would say the virtue there is passion. Sure. And the dark side of that passion is you wind up getting consulatory. And by that, it turns into his illiterate. The righteousness, the sense of justice or outrage justice that we associate with Hermione forming to see you get turned around in person. Yeah. Into this dedication to know we have to have the rules. We gotta be pursuing but at the same time Rowling and Ressa's society has made a

whipping boy of slitherin' even in full view of the fact that passion can go bad because they're like, no, no, it's not passion that's bad, it's ambition that's bad, it's this weird thing of like we're playing on the fact of absolute power, corrupts absolutely, and it's the idea that they're seeking power when in reality, you could look at it more than anything

if you look at Slytherin. What do you see them seeking acceptance? And that, so I have, I have, yeah. That's my last point. Why is Draco so pissed off that he is not part of the Slyg club? Right. Every single, he doesn't go anywhere without a group of people that make him feel welcome.

But okay, some of that's white privilege, both of those stuff. Like, I don't like that. I've been closed out. So much of that is, and because of what his family, look at his face. So he's raised that one.

And here, then you have this thing. But why does he continue, when we see him struggling with the morality of his family's choices, why do we see him continuing to fall? He wants to be accepted by them. He takes dark mark to be accepted by... It should be, see Trump. He doesn't want the dark mark, but you can see him make the choice to take it to be accepted and ostracized.

He's a slightly more sympathetically characterized Eric Trump. Yeah, but he's more intelligent. Well, why am I not gonna do Draco dirty like this. Yeah, but the parallel I'm making is he's really, really, really desperate for us. No, if you're gonna go with a Trump, you can go with Barry to like, hit him, know what the fuck is going on

because he's 12. Eric knows what, he stole from kids with cancer and a fuck him. So he's George W. Yeah, he's smarter than he likes the letter. But he's seeking daddy's approval. Yes. And going for a job he doesn't even want.

We're looking at ambition, but the ambition seems to be tied with acceptance, whereas with Hufflepuff, it's that idea of hard work and bringing everyone together and not yet community. And then with Ravenclaw, you say truth, but you could see how that can go downhill very quickly.

Well, because hey, look at the anti-vax moms, man, they do research all the time. And they are following their truth. And they have the evidence. Oh, oh, oh. I'm sorry, as a true Ravenclaw, I am here. The university of and they are following their truth I'm sorry I am here. This is the problem is that I go with my truth Which is science as I see it because you know, I'm fucking died of measles yet They go with their truth Because I

Could still die of like super measles or some shit No, no, no, all right. I'm just saying The anti-vax mom super I keep saying that I'm not gonna die unless I'm fighting a bear and a shark at the same time Who knows maybe measles has a bear in a shark? So I Go with that evidence. Yeah, other people go with the evidence that they felt slightly discomfort because they got pulled with a needle and my kid cried and they got an immune response. So let me look at this, unfortunately, disproven but still unfortunately scientific publication from Deepfuck McGee who's so not important, I don't even remember his fucking name. And let me sit there and yell about Mercury because I don't understand chemistry.

But I don't need to understand chemistry because I have these sources. Whereas I'm sitting there and going, but chemistry gives you this and they're going, but these sources says that your chemistry is bad. We both have fucking table salt. Which can technically kill you with hypertension. But so anyway, tell me everyone. Everyone say in the world, you can technically kill you with hypertension, but so anyway Tell me everything in the world can fucking kill me with something. This is the problem You want to know they have a silicon kills you? Oh, I do rapid acceleration into your fucking skull Oh for sure. It's also extremely flammable. Anyway, these two fuckers have their truths. Yes.

I am violently provoked. And I had to think about a word and I was like, now I'm going violent. Violently provoked vaccination. And we're all in this room, okay, with that. Fucking Karen. We're at a comic book of someone who's like, the vaccinated.

You know what I guess? I just thought up with fucking me. And just stab people in the neck. Oh, oh my I could I would but so oh my god black and black and white costume with yes with a syringe Yes, no it's gonna be hot fucking pink You will see me coming in there will be nothing either there's a bandalier. Yeah, yeah So this is the thing about Ravenclaw right you could go you could have a good evil where you've got So this is the thing about Ravenclaw, right? You could go, you could have a good evil where you've got fucking me sitting here

like yo dipshit, here's science, and then fucking Karen going, but vitamin K has Thermopoly, and you're whatever the fuck the fuck the fuck you're doing. I can never remember how to say that. Wait, not pop. Gates, what? No, there's like the, there's a free,

there's a free real. I can never remember how to say that Mercury, so I always just call it Thermopoly now. Yeah, that one, Therm, they're mopply so I'm going to make it work. Okay, so anyway, pediatricians. Yeah, what is your profession? I'm gonna get worse, but so there's all about that Surriges instead of spirits, and so they're gonna sit there and be like Mercury's bad I'm gonna go but not that Mercury and they're gonna go but science is buying you out

I'm gonna go but no, it's not they're gonna go but prove it. I'm gonna go but here's the paper and they go that's from So we have our truths Mm-hmm And the difference between the two of us is that she's gonna sit on the toilet screaming and I'm gonna go your dumb No, because that's the difference right? There's though. There's the wisdom There's the wisdom to know when to stop yeah, right? There's the wisdom. There's the wisdom to know when to stop. Yeah. And then there's the wisdom to kill your kids when they're four.

Um, you know, that kind of a thing. So you could see how we can go poorly. The same way with community, where you can make them feel too obligated, right? We've got what's the one that Heaven's Gate? That Heaven's Gate would be a fucked up Hufflepuff. Yeah, Hufflepuff. Yeah, Jones call it would have been Hufflepuff.

Yeah, oh, Jim Jones is totally. Totally Hufflepuff. But well, Dark Hufflepuff. But hold on, would Jim himself qualify as a Hufflepuff? He's building a community. And he's building it off his very passionately held beliefs. And he was in, he was actually like,

I thought it was, he was in the neighborhood of Dora. I was just saying he was, but the thing is that he wouldn't fit into Hufflepuff. Because he, he adopted like Jim Jones actually, I thought it was like a fuck it, look at this. It's so terrible. I'm gonna rehab Jim Jones a little. I know.

At the beginning like he seems alright. He goes off the wagon. He was actually a pretty good guy when it came to like, he was one of the first people to desegregate certain things in the rest. And then he went away and here's where I think you have a point called him Gryffindor. Went away and came back and he was like, wait,

oh come on, I'm not getting the credit. That's a very Gryffindor thing. That's a very Gryffindor thing. So, but this is the thing'm not getting the credit. That's a very griffin' door thing. That's a very griffin' door thing. So, but this is a thing where I'm so glad. So, I'm sorry, Leo, look at me. Yeah. Also, Ryan's like, don't do anything.

The female is a little bit crazy. Which makes sense actually when you think about it, because Hermione was the one that he took everything in the lives. Hermione was the one that took everything in the lives. So, but that's the thing too, is that Hermione could be that. And they have a lot of crazy things.

And then you look at the Slytherins, right? Where it's all, yeah. So you really gotta like look at it, where you've got the good, you can go extreme good and extreme evil in every single house. Oh yeah. It's more about their alignment

to lawful chaotic and good. Yeah, yeah. How it expresses. Yeah, and I think I think, um, what I don't have to tell you guys, I guess, what I think is important. It's gonna be other Ravens laws here. Yeah, well, yeah, cuz y'all,

and here I thought you guys were gonna gang up on me. Yeah, no, no, no, no, I knew coming into this house. I was, but I think, because you very much got a dark, dark, dark ambition with Snape, who's desperate to be accepted and doesn't get the acceptance and continues to try to get the acceptance and when he doesn't get it goes into this downward spiral of like control, which is why he's like, yes, but it shines like that. It carries eyes. It's like kind of

repart. Yeah, since I can't, since I can't get acceptance and I'm never going to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the because ambition was thwarted. Yes. And he couldn't handle that. And he couldn't handle that. Which, yeah, is so, so many white guys. With the dick to children, and the silly died. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, the point, I kind of want to make in the middle of this about slithering, is that, you know, you had previously been saying, kind of in preparing for this, you're talking about like, you know, how much do we blame Slytherin?

And the parallel was how much do we blame Germany after the war? How much do we blame Germany for? What do we want? For the World War? Yeah. And both? Well, I'll work my side of the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But we'll get to the your argument there. But what I want to say is I think slithering suffers in the sense that the culture within the house had become what it had become. Yes. And the people who were in that house, because at the end of the day, like they say at the beginning of the book, this is gonna be the family you're gonna be living with while you're here. These are children being socialized into

these kind of circumstances. And the deal is, as we've seen with any number of organizations, once you get a certain critical mass of dick wads, and it's really hard to rehabilitate that culture for that organization, that culture becomes tainted. And my problem, as an educator, and as just me looking at the construct of the houses, my problem with

Slitherin as a group is they have been socialized into this class superiority and this sense that the same sense of Wharton superiority Mm-hmm like they all have a margar complex or if they don't have a margar complex They have they want to be the victim. They want to be the victim. Yeah, like all the time and The fact is that they are all coming from the wizardly equivalent of the 1% right or the overwhelming majority of them are coming from. When they get decimated during the word Hogwarts and you see Severus and Scorpius in the cursed child, that slithered house is very different. And that's the kind of thing too, is that you know looking at this if we're going canon,

you can also look at Draco's redemption through his son. Mm-hmm. And his son... His way more shell. Could totally have been a fucking huff-o-puff. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm still trying to, I think like, slurring like became like the more chill people of all the houses by the end of it

Except for Harry's son who's just the issues upon issues upon issues Well, how did he help that shadow and his dad is a bad guy? She's being well, okay, so named after fucking creepy white supremacists one named after what you mean Kylo Ren. Yes. Oh nice Yeah One named after what you mean Kylo Ren. Yes. Oh nice. Yeah Also living the shadow of somebody who he's never going to be as cool as like I don't care how much dark Also, I'm sorry Yeah, yeah, yeah, true true that so but Yeah, you ten points to help yeah

No Yeah, you ten points to help yeah, no Share a wave and clove on ten points. Yeah, I actually do 15. Yeah, so I had a point I was trying to get to but I thought I did They were allowed to become a cesspool and none of the educators But I mean if you look a fucking double, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Well, he literally took an 11 year old and goes, ah, yes, my sacrificial bitch. Go live with your abusive family. Yeah, literally just go get fucked for 11 years.

Yeah. Come back. I'm gonna be shit at you. Well, then you'll be radicalizable enough that I could easily- Literally? No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Uh-uh-uh-uh. How did he get Peter Pedagrew to do it? He made a potion. I was like, fucking like a shit baptism if I've ever seen one.

He like poured dead things over this creepy fetus. Tell me I'm all. So yes, religious indoctrination, but also serious Stockholm syndrome. Bok Timma, I'm just saying, when you get down to it, Dumbledore is the bad guy. Like, yeah, Voldemort's a dick But he is not on Dumbledore's level That level of ugly was Magnificent because I have another works work like just how it's the Dumbledore good for no really

Yes, where the ends justified the means really weird interesting right? Yeah Really? Weird. Interesting, right? Yeah. But you have zeal. That zeal trumps ambition every time when it comes to doing evil. Yeah. So you brought up my discussion of Dewey blame the Germany for the Nazis after the war is over. It is their responsibility to fix what the Nazis did, 100% agree. But Dresden was still wrong. Yes. Yes. The first place the Nazis invaded was Berlin. Their first victims were German. Similarly, the death-eaters and Voldemort took over Slytherin, per what you said. This is true. And otherwise benign house.

Now, a house that had certain values that we find alien. But an otherwise benign house. Not all of them did believe in blood superiority. I'm gonna mildly push back a little bit that even before Tom Marvolo Riddle showed up, there are hints and indications in Canon that Slytherin himself was a shady-ass character. True. None of the girls wanted to interact with him.

Peter was also a dick. Yeah. And yet there was a church built on him. Yeah. So this is the problem with having humans. Yeah, right. Okay. So, and I feel comfortable making these references because the entire series is a metaphor

for World War II and living through the blitz. Yeah. We specifically ought to blame the Nazis and those who put them in power after the war is open. Absolutely. Yes, the Nazis took over. Yes, they committed unforgivable atrocities and yes, Germany bears the responsibility for making things right. Slytherin absolutely has to clean up its mess, literally clean up its house, from allowing this evil to fester and boil and take over.

Yeah, okay. But you know who else was a Nazi, who was ambitious, image conscious, calculating, pragmatic, unfortunately patient and intelligent. Oscar Schindler. It's true. Oh, here's your... Wow. And well, Oscar Schindler is Snape. However, Snape goes and in sell way. Here's why. Snape needs New Hansen rehab to a point.

Again, he did bully and act like a shit, but big picture, he was a spy on the bad guys the whole time. He did far more good than bad. He microaggressed like a motherfucker for a generation. Yes, but ultimately he was the linchpin in being able to stop countless more deaths. He was a shitty and broken person who still managed to do the right thing even if it was for the wrong reasons when it fucking mattered.

Now I still give him full black marks for all the other shit that he did for all the in-sally shit for all the bullying children shit. You don't get to do that But of the two it's obviously dumbledore who's way more evil. Do you card? Okay? That's so cool that card has six sides to it. I know Charging out of words so Shindler mm his power to quietly circumvent and save lives. Yes. Because he understood that people were human. Yes.

Snape. You're 100% right here. Did not. True. Do it because he believed people were human. He did it only out of his obsession for Lily because of the person who killed Lily. He only went after and turned sides on Voldemort because Voldemort did not follow through on the deal to not kill Lily. He was absolutely fine with him killing James Potter and Harry Potter. Which is also why he continued to beat the crap out of Harry because the only reason he kept him alive was to get through the ends of the means where he could help destroy Voldemort.

Nothing to do with saving lives. So I don't feel that it's a fair comparison when Oscar Schindler truly became what we would call a mench. And a hero of the Jewish people because he risked his own life not to any benefit of his own. True. He actually went to the whole right. He went broke. He went broke. actually was broke. He went broke.

He went broke. He went righteous among the goyam. Yeah. He is righteous among the goyam. He has a place of honor in Israel. We leave rocks. That was a shame. All of that.

He truly did it because he saw an evil that needed to be righted. You're absolutely right. I don't think it's a one-to-one comparison. I do think the results of what they did were similar enough that it's worthy of comparing the tail and the garages. I would say that Snape inadvertently

through his own selfishness did. Whereas Oscar Schindler did it through his own. You mean that Snape was like gone? Yeah, I would give him more of that. And I would say in a World War two sense. I would maybe give him... Hell Guy, Dark History, after his own ambition. I don't feel like there's actually a really good, and I'm also going to comment this with I have a degree of German language in literature and how to do a lot of German history for that degree. I do not actually believe that there

would be a very accurate German individual who would actually fulfill Snape's role. Because I would have gone like maybe Rommel, but Rommel was also selfless. He saw the bad things happening and sacrificed himself not only to try to stop the evil that was rolling out, but also to protect his family. There was a couple of... I was thinking of the guys who were in the... Yeah, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, dickishness, ended up with the same results and saving lives. And again, J.K. Rowling is looking at the milieu and she's pulling and plucking. And again, it would not be more obvious. As soon as the blood blood thing happened on her wrist, I was like,

fucking goddammit, are you serious right now? You know what though? It's godbit tasteless. So, I would point out that there are a lot of broken and shitty people in the world, and not all of them react co-dependently like my beloved Hufflepuff's would. Yes. They don't react by over... They don't react. That is truly the dirtiest Hufflepuff.

They don't react by overcompensating like my friends, the Gryffindorce. They don't react by overcompensating, like my friends, the Griffin Dorses. Yeah. They don't react by retreating into their... I know that's what I got overcompensated. I don't know what you're even talking about. They don't react by retreating into their own brains, like my brother in the Ravenclaw. Some of them use that broken in shittiness

to drive them to selves to be extraordinary, and some of them use that to go right or wrong from within. I'd give that a drinko. Mm-hmm. Well, and that's a very good thing. And the crux, when he saw what was going, you saw the battle within him

and he came out on the other side. It's very true. And he has that look at the very end of the station as an adult and that kind of nodding like, yeah, we've been through some shit on the long side of each side. Well, I knew he'd be in the way that he treats his child and that he of nodding like yeah we've been through some standing alongside of each other. Well, I mean, the way that he treats his child and that he raises up to be empathetic and kind and happy and

doats on him unlike his father. Yes. He literally learns from his history. Yeah. I would give him more of the Oscar Shindler. He doesn't have the time. Yeah. But he has that compassion. Yeah, I will definitely say he's got a bunch of Shindlerlers compassion. I would say but that ambition and that cunning and that image consciousness that is the stuff that Snape is about. But the other thing is that Oscar Shindler gave up all of that whereas Snape never did. He kept it, he maintained it with Voldemort and he maintained it with Dumbledore. That was how it worked. Yeah. And even when he died, he did not lose his image, which is horseshit. He's a garbage goblin

who deserves nothing but death. Harry shit up, fucking blinked. Sorry. I would say that how to put this, Shler stayed an industrialist magnate through most of it and he was subverting the system from within, but he was so image conscious that that's what enabled him to do that. And he was risking like serious brutal death. He was, but he did such a good job of being a good Nazi. That nobody really suspected it. But was there on the run for that.

I don't think it was really image. I think it was the fact that the only way he would be able to continue saving lives was by being that quote unquote good Nazi. And the only way that Snape would be able to ultimately defeat the guy that killed the girl that he then forgot to have. So again, it's for a different reason, but the method ends up being similar. Mm. Mm. I would also point out that it's interesting to me that the most broken-ass people get attracted to slithering in the books. Perhaps in life, I don't know, but in the books, they gravitate toward that house, and maybe that's a good sign, because you know who really populates rehabilitation centers, addicts, people who need the help, people who want that acceptance, and people who relapse time and time again.

But then you also see it in our red pill and all the other kind of cesspools. Well yes, but you know 90% of people in recovery end up relapsing. Yes. That doesn't mean that recovery is not a good thing. But addiction is different then. Well, I'm going to argue we are talking a light side dark side. We're talking about the two sides of the slither end point. As opposed to, you know, and the point that has occurred to me that I've been waiting for a breathing space to insert here is that the whole motivation that that Snape had speaking of the red pill

thing is a very is a prototypically slither in motivation. You have wronged me and so I'm going to do whatever it takes. Game's Potter is a Chad. Also true. No, not wrong, you're not wrong. But, you know, you have wronged me and so I'm gonna do whatever it takes to destroy you because if my ego, if my mind,

that's the dark version of it. Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, yeah, but if you're describing justice, yes. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, yeah, it's, it is, it, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, I will give way to your argument about two sides of the same coin. In that, that could very potentially also be a very prototypically griffened door way to go fast because the same because they attack it with zeal. Yeah, look at me, look at me.

You have on the one hand, is this not a great thing that I the Baron Harkin and do which is Very Slytherin or on the other hand, you know pick pick an example I'm up. I'm going to bring order to creation Mm-hmm through through the force of my will high more goth how you doing. Oh, I thought you're talking about Anakin Oh, yeah, I'll you were talking about Anakin. Oh, you know, him too, make the great thing. All big, I'll make the galaxy great

if I have to choke every mother fucker in it. And my wife. And, and, well, yeah. Who's just gonna get birth and die immediately for no paratroopers. For no good reason. Literally, with all the science that was in that fucking room.

Get all the Star Wars stuff, like, Space Magic. No, but, like, even with the space magic. I mean, I love star wars. Let's give it up. Let's give it up. I have quite, okay, anyway, next time. Oh yeah, no, yeah.

Actually, they do. It's in West End games. I'll find the book. Oh yeah, yeah. I got it. Yeah, effectively. Yeah. They better.

So, anyway, I just have to write that part off my chest. But I would say that that driving I've been wronged in there for, again, it can con one way or the other. But you're not, but you're not gonna see a Ravenclaw spend the same amount of energy on a personal slight like that because, no, just because, because the motivation is, whatever, my ego is less important to me than the fact

that you fucked up the grammar in the way that you did that Yeah, but they'll go whole hog at you're wrong, and let me explain why yes, yes, and and a hufflepuff is gonna be Less and entirely Disinterested and you have wronged me. They're gonna be they're gonna go bad because you you wronged their brother their sister Yeah, you don't fuck up this barbecue. Yeah, like, yeah, no, it's a happening. Yeah, you need to get out of here. Yeah. And so to come back to the point of the Nazis,

again, Jew cards. Sure. But I will say that within the Jewish community, people like Oscar Schindler, we would not refer to as Nazis at this point. They are basically absolved of being a Nazi. They're no longer a term of that. Because when you get down to it, the Nazis were the people that went along with it

and said nothing while their neighbors were dragged down to the street. Which is screaming and shots. Why you have that phrase? Why you have one Nazi at a table with 11 other people? You have 12 Nazis. You have 12 Nazis. Because in reality, a Nazi would be a person that is complicit and that goes with it, which is why the

Motif that she's creating starts to crumble when you see so many people that are in the quote unquote Nazi house Move to Neville side. Yep, and stand against their parents. You didn't see that as much in Nazi Germany. You didn't see the Nazis do that. There was not, there was not. Whether or not they did it for their own reservations. But the white rose were explicitly never fucking Nazis. Oh, as you were saying, people were in the heart of itself. I can't even imagine. The people that would hide people in their houses were Nazis with quotations, right?

They're just like, ah yes, hello, yes, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking hiding right now. Okay, I want to say good and talk. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'll say. They're like not Jews here, hey, how's it going? Yeah, no, we're fucking filthy with Jews. Just because the door closed, like, you know, but that was the kind of thing where it's,

there's the quote unquote Nazi and then there's the people that they were Nazis. Whether or not they were personally killing the Jews. So yeah. And the Cindy and the Hanukkah. And the gay and lesbian individuals and the protestedans and the Catholics. And I hope really you get their fucking hands on them.

They decided they didn't like. Only the opposite. They, yeah. Sadly. They, if you were standing by and you didn't say anything, you're part of the problem. So that's the kind of thing where it's like, you're an issue.

And the same thing with people that are being silent with the issues that the Romani are facing in so many places right now, we're still kind of referring to those people as Nazis because we're like, you're still doing the same shit. And the people that are going in, like putting fucking bacon on the synagogue and Davis. You're fucking Nazi.

That's just kind of what we do. You might not be wearing an arm band with a swastika, but you You're fucking Nazi. That's just kind of what we do. You might not be wearing an armband with a swastika, but you're a fucking Nazi. Damn, you should. You don't have to be wearing the death eater mask to be a death eater. Exactly, you don't have to have the death eater tattoo necessarily to even follow within the death eater.

Yeah, right. Or idea. And at the same time, you can be tattooed with the death eater tattoo and step away from it. Yeah. And that is that kind of, and that's kind of where that motif starts to fall apart. She tries very, very, very hard.

But. Does she have to stay faithful to it though? I mean, she's writing fiction about boring school. I mean, she went so fucking hard with a fucking mudd-bud thing at that point. You've crossed the line, you can't come back from. Okay. I would argue that it, well,

you said no. Well, all right. That was fucked up. I'm not, I'm not gonna argue with you. Marking someone with a thing that goes, yo, you're not part of this against their will in a painful way. That's that line that everybody. Yeah. That was like... Yeah, that one. Because I was literally pretty pretty sure you need to do it. Yeah, and I was reading it like going, it feels a little, feels a little little. I think, I think, okay. In, in, in, in prior episodes, one of the things that has come up is talking

about specifically, most specifically regards to Tolkien. He didn't mean to write an allegory. He wrote, but he wrote a fucking allegory. The extent to which Rowling was at least at the beginning consciously trying to evoke Nazis, as opposed to the fact that she was evoking Nazis just because she's from the generation that grew up or that was born like shortly after the war. The amniotic fluid of the whole, everything collectively has led to a million years. that grew up or that was born like shortly after the war. The antibiotic fluid.

You know, the whole, everything has legwork to it. But that being said, it has all of that baked in. It may not have been because, yeah, that was the thing was I was reading, like going, mm, mm, that's a flavor of Nazi. But damn, when she grabbed onto that mud blood thing, it's like the top of the shaker came off and it was like boosh nutsies yeah okay I'm not wrong

I know you know that was like a tipping point otherwise you could have argued that it wasn't but that yeah no I didn't even think I think at that point it did it did become over I think I think it wasn't that point conscious I think I think she's also under more deadlines by that point. And so she had to start grabbing so yeah. Yeah, well yeah. And so she got caught into a feedback loop with her own fandom. I mean, not just in her own during the story,

but it's also like one of those things was like, that's a little bit peaceful. I have same star wars for me. I'm like, oh, it's Disney. Shit, you know, it's that over and over. I still love it. Yeah. I still love it, but I fully know this box. I am gonna watch that hot fresh garbage every time it comes out. So, so yeah, Slitheran has some of the most broken people attract into it. Yeah.

And the worst kind of person can take advantage of them and do and corrupt and otherwise I would say benign but odd house and the best of them can be agents of change. They can turn their trauma into the force of good. And so that's why I think that Slytherin, plus Ravenclaw, can get you a Gryffindor. Plus going back onto the idea of whether or not the Germans should be blamed for certain things. When you look at World War I and how they were dragged into it and then how they wound up footing the blame for it,

which allowed for that kind of toxic attitude to build what you see is that slither in everybody's like gross slither in Gross, thank you eventually they're gonna be like fuck all of you, too Yeah, so that's that kind of a thing. We're with yeah god damn fuck Oh you guys Yeah, so that's that kind of a thing where we yeah god damn fuck oh You guys did Oh, what you mean like the back that literally Nazis are happening again. I'm just sitting here going Maybe not yeah that one But no, it's that kind of a thing where when you see People putting the blame which I will also say

that the deplorables are just shit people who are now like going, oh, we have a name for being shit people who hate everyone. This is where we said that the satire doesn't work at all. Yeah, because the Germany and World War One, we're literally just sitting there going, hold on, how can we don't get to come into the room? What do you mean it's all our fault?

Now, wait, wait, wait, what? Our economy is gonna be destroyed because you just don't like us today. Hey we're starving. What? Can we not? Yeah, maybe not. And so that happened and so when somebody comes in like oh hey we need to fix this. Everybody's like fuck yeah. And then they like sneak in the Jolla juice and they're like what? And he's like I'm just saying good bless you. I don't but yeah, and they're like oh But I'll see these bankers are a problem. All right

Oh, and that's right because of Christianity and not wanting to handle money and we gave it to the Jews and now let's just fucking get anyway But so there's the whole thing where it starts off innocently enough, whereas now it's people going, I am racist. Ah, this lady called me racist. I have a name for myself. Like, you know, they're like, they're pitchforks that they've been turned on themselves.

But they're still really angry so they're gonna keep poking themselves with the pitchfork to stay and set. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well because anger... an undirected anger still makes you feel powerful because you're angry about something. Damn, do we get some good memes out of it? Oh. Okay Boomer.

The dankest. Yeah. Well great, this was timeless until you said that. Sorry. Now everybody knows that we're fans of Oklahoma. Thanks. Nice. Nice. Nice. Um, but I had, oh, that was a spicy meme by the way.

I didn't say the one. Yeah, I think I'm going to do it. I don't know where I'm going to like throw it, but I think it's going to like show up and Jeremy's text messages at some random point. Cool. Which one? Oh, no. Oh, okay.

I never feel like it. He's going to say something. I'm going to throw it out. I'm just waiting. Nice. That one? Oh, no. Oh, okay. I don't know if I ever feel like it. He's going to say something. I'm going to throw it out. I'm just waiting. Nice. That's about the most millennial thing you've ever done. I know.

Like throwing it at your husband who's younger than you. My meme game is way stronger than you. And I love it when they're trying to do something from a meme. I'm like, number one, you're doing the meme wrong. Number two, that's not how the song goes. Number three, why do you suck? Get on my level So Ravenclaw. I know. So very real. Yeah, and then like you know what a meme is. I'm like I for my art portfolio. Yeah painted a meme

Yeah, there you go That's yeah meme games wrong. So all right. So at the end of all of this now we've now that we've spent all this time and y'all have had your opportunity to get a whole cat in the room. What do you take away from our discussion? Damien will start with you. Let's see. Well I really liked that you were able to distill each house down to a virtue and I really appreciated Tessa's ability to kind of point out that the griffin door quality exists in all the houses and anytime it gets too high, the bacterial count gets too high. They're like, no, no, here you come over here,

we're gonna call it the honors class, okay? Yeah. You can be in the honors class. You guys are in the honors class, it's okay. And then they let them win every year, so they don't think, I wanna get back in that fucking house. Yeah. No, no, no, we've got a puzzle over here You can't figure out your way in and this one we won't even talk about how to get into this room

And this one you have to pretend to be someone else to get in there So you're in the honors class and you guys keep winning. How do you do that? Like I really like the discussion of their zero chillness Essentially their chaos when that bacterial can't too high, they become their own house. Yeah. So I like that. Tessa, what have you gleaned? I swear to God, okay, I'm just sitting here thinking about all the times that I do these like thing-parachairs of the kids and I'm like, please tell me three things that you learned.

Two things that surprised you and one question you have for next and it's all I'm like thinking. I have a Google phone on my head for this head for this I'm sorry. So anyway I gotta remember that that's actually pretty solid pedagogy. Right? Anyway so I'm actually surprised how fast you kind of rolled over there I thought you were gonna like kind of come at us a little bit harder not gonna lie. But so. I still expected to get the shit kicked out of me and lose this completely. I'm a brighter diary of in-claw.

Like I definitely fit in that house. I guess it's just, yeah, I really, I do. I thought it was gonna be a lot more like than it was in, which I'm surprised and slightly disappointed about. Um, come back as a guest for another episode on anything and we can, we can probably fix that. I will. Yeah.

Um, yeah. Okay. I think that's about it. I feel like my big thing was really just to moderate and like stir the pot and be in a vein. Yeah. And I feel like I did that. You did, you did very well. I wasn't really like sitting here going

Today I was like how can I make chaos? Wait, so you're I know right now. I'm not chaotic enough. It's all very purposeful chaos, which is why My alignment is always chaotic neutral because the thing is is that I can very is always chaotic, neutral, because the thing is, is that I can very carefully decide who I'm going to fuck with and how. Okay. It's well thought out. It's not like I'm just going like,

I'm gonna fuck shit up today. Like that doesn't happen. What am I gonna do? I've seen that happen a couple of times, but it's still well thought out. Okay, fine. What have you gleaned, Ed? What I gleaned from it is that I think there are meaningful points to be taken from both

the essentialist viewpoint, which ultimately was mine, and remains mine. But I think there is a meaningful argument to talk about the, I don't want to say structuralist. That's a linguistic term that I kind of don't want. Because the Ravenclaw in me, which is my number two house on the ranking chart, doesn't like a structuralist, but the effectualist in me recognizes that the effectualism outlook does have a point. And I think having it get pointed out

that the separating characteristic is, y'all just have no chill. I think helped me codify my argument about singular virtues. And the singular virtue is what it is for each house. And again, like I said, it's the difference in what part of this pisses you off more. I just had another thought about how Neville fits into Gryffindor.

You know how I always forgets everything? I think it's because his brain is just going like 8 million miles per minute. Because he's just, because he's chaos like 8 million miles per minute because he's just Because he's chaos we found at the end. He's chaos personified I think Neville is Falcon Yeah, I do what Harry does just slower. Yeah, yeah Yeah, probably why like Neville on I do like yeah

Well at this point just about everybody likes Neville best yeah not not because he's handsome like because he he went at it with zero skill and zero chill yeah zero scale zero chill and still managed to be had a snake in one fell swoop with a giant sword yeah Determinator yeah so I'd say that's that's a wrap so Tessa thank you very much for joining us. Yes. Great having you here. We got to find a way for you to, you know, come on, help us out on something else that you're going to be equally flattered up about. Mythology all day, all the time.

Okay. You want to stick around? All right. Well, let's see. How do we close this out again? I'm thinking, oh, you know what? There's books to this out again? I don't think, oh you know what, there's books to recommend. Yeah. I recommend the Harry Potter series.

Yeah, I think we're all gonna recommend the Harry Potter series. Game set match. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah, there we go. 10, 10. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, I had any time to read for myself at all.

For the Illustrated versions. Oh yeah, there are a lotos here. They're all four. Yes. Very nice. All right. If I dropped one on second, she would be smushed. The fourth one is large. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Well, all right. For a geek history of time, I'm David Harmony. And I'm at Blalock. And always remember where you keep your wand. where you keep your wand.