A Geek History of Time - Episode 70 - What the Jedi Could Have Been Part IV

Episode Date: August 29, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:00 And while we have a through line that states, Authorial intent means dick, right? I don't want to have to have the same haircut, you have dad. Sorry, I'm pretty... Harry, mother. Aww. So was this before or after the poster and you vomiting all over the couch? For those of you that can't see, Ed's eyes just crossed. It is fucked up.
Starting point is 00:00:39 But it's not wrong. This is a geek history of life. We're going to connect to the real world. I'm going to use a platform, a History, Fisher here in Northern California with a two and a half year old son and a renewing interest in the 41st, now 42nd millennium. And I have not yet managed, my son is still way too young to be introducing to any of the intellectual property out of that particular setting, but I am looking forward to having the conversations with him about who the Marines are and that
Starting point is 00:01:39 kind of stuff. How about you? I'm Damien Harmony. I'm a Latin teacher up here in Northern California. I have an eight-year-old and a ten-year-old. As everybody is probably aware, who now plays Star Wars. And I was just talking with a friend of mine about when is it... when is the right time to show your kids Deadpool? Because I think they would love it because they love comic books I think most of the the the Dick and fart jokes would be over their heads, which is good Yeah, but when is the right time and I don't know yet? Um, I think maybe when one of them hits 12. I don't know. I have time to figure this out Yeah, you I don't trust the MPAA a couple of years. Yeah, no, well, you shouldn't.
Starting point is 00:02:27 No. As we've discussed in the past, you should not trust the MPAA or the comics code authority. Indeed. Oh, speaking of which, my dad and I spoke the other day while I was pulling leads in the garden. Okay. One of the nice things about technology. And he was telling me that he was listening to our far side episode, I think. And I had mentioned magazine.
Starting point is 00:02:55 And so he called me to tell me what a shithead Kiffauver was. And I said, you know, Dad, our very first episode is called the CCA or how my dad hated Adley Stevenson. So I'm hoping that he's gonna give that a good listen to. Yeah, fingers crossed. There's a fun conversation. Yeah, yeah, I can leave it.
Starting point is 00:03:18 But I did show my kids Star Wars early on, to the point where it actually just came up on my Facebook memory of the first time Star Wars early on to the point where it actually just came up on my Facebook memory of the first time I showed William Star Wars and how over the moon he was about the jaoas and then when I showed him episode six he's and he was like four so little four-year-old. Wow. And I kind of episode six, and I'd been playing the music for the longest time, and my favorite song is, or a song is Into the Trap.
Starting point is 00:03:52 And so we'd play it while we were driving, and I had always said, it's a trap, you know? And so then when I act bar says it, Williams looking and he's pointing and he goes, he said it, he said it. Which, that's awesome. That's the most exciting part to the movie was when the shrimp said it's a trap. So yeah, Star Wars runs part of this. I'm sure they're in this car.
Starting point is 00:04:20 It was Mon Calamari. So which which would make him squid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. it was Mon Calamari. Which which became squid? Oh yeah, yeah. But you look at his head and that's no. He's got a carp's mouth, but he's got a shrimp's face. That big ol' eye on the side. Yeah, the big ol' little, big ol' gugly eyes. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Yeah. So who knows? Speaking of Star Wars, you were gonna tell us about the 10 Wars. Yes, well because, you know, speaking of Star Wars, you were going to tell us about the 10 Wars. Yes. Well, because, you know, they're they're they're the real world, I am convinced. That whether it was conscious or not, that is what George Lucas wound up having in his head. When he came up with the idea of what the Jedi order was going to look
Starting point is 00:05:04 like when he started writing the prequels. Well, it makes sense. It's an order of knights. Yeah, you know, I mean, yes. The easiest go to. But there were other non-religious knightly orders he could have looked at, you know, just saying. But in any event, so the Knights Templar, the historical organization, we're gonna talk with that and then get into, as we go through it, we'll talk about where the parallels are with Lucas's ossified, calcified, rigid, dogmatic Jedi Order.
Starting point is 00:05:44 So the Knights Templar were originally founded in 1119 by a group of knights who had gotten to the Holy Land on Crusade and wanted to dedicate themselves to defending pilgrims. To act as a military order for the defense of pilgrims, specifically Christian pilgrims, visiting the homeland. And over the course of the next 20 years, as movements do, they grew, they attracted a lot of followers. Right. They attracted a great deal of membership. They had a lot of a lot of nobles join them. And then in 1139, they were actually recognized by the Pope and they were given the official station of being an order, which at the time was recognition of them as a religious order, a group of men who had dedicated themselves
Starting point is 00:06:45 to a religious lifestyle. And in their case, that religious lifestyle was wedded to military service. Yes. And so they were a military order. And they were based out of the Holy Land, weren't they? Jerusalem. Yes. I mean, they were based in the, we conquered this and we won and now we're going to be the
Starting point is 00:07:09 protectors, like you said, of pilgrims, but also of this victory. And all of European Christendom was down for that. Oh, a bit of time. Yeah. All the support being thrown at Uttaramir and and the Crusader States the it's kind of an interesting thing if you For whatever reason didn't like Baldwin of Bologna or or you know the the royal family of Jerusalem because you know We're talking about Norman, for French basically across Europe being the class of people who were involved in this,
Starting point is 00:07:48 to the extent that the natives of the Holy Land referred to all crusaders as Frange, no matter where they came from. But in an event, if you didn't like a particular crusader noble, but you wanted to support the cause of utrimer, would donate money, donate land, leave something in your will to the Templars or to a lesser extent, hospitals. And so, yeah, they, and this was a big deal. Because supporting, supporting Christian control of the Holy Land was seen as being this
Starting point is 00:08:32 religiously meritorious kind of thing to do. To vote with your dollar kind of thing. It's citizens united version of Christianity. You can put money toward it, and that's as good as prayers. Mine alone. Now, I would think is that you're not there's nothing in that statement I can say is like, well, no, you know, see, but no oversimplify. No, you're pretty much right there. Well, and if I recall, they started off as a poverty sect. They were like the poor, some things, right?
Starting point is 00:09:10 Yeah, they were the poor nights of Jerusalem and the temple of Solomon. Yeah, and then they end up just... Well, okay, here's... They sublimate that into well, in order to protect, we need land, in order to have land. We have to have this, and it just kind of evolves into a money making, and a banking plan, if you will. Well, they were, yeah. And it's also not an egregious over simplification
Starting point is 00:09:36 to say that the order, the order template did essentially wind up becoming the first multinational corporation. Yes. But here's the thing. But they always pretended to be poverty too. Their very symbol was a symbol of poverty the whole time. Yeah, well, yeah, but here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Here's the thing. And to a medieval mindset, this makes a really, this is a really big deal. The order, the organization was ridiculously monopoly money kind of wealthy, but the lifestyle actually lived by the temporators themselves was one of poverty and militarized simplicity. Yes. You know, each individual template night had, you know, four horses, but that was because you needed four horses. What you're doing, you know, but it was, you know, they didn't they didn't eat lavishly. They didn't, they didn't, you know, they didn't was intentionally plain. Mm-hmm. Boy, this sounds familiar. They did not have, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Odd, huh. They didn't have, like, you know, when we're talking about nobles of, you know, Europe and the Middle Ages and into the early modern period, you know, if you could make a suit out of four yards of fabric, you'd use eight. And if blue was good, then ultra marine blue with silver filigree was better. Right. Conspicuous consumption was a. Right. Right. Conspicuous consumption was was was a class thing. Right. And so many of the members of the order came from very wealthy, very powerful
Starting point is 00:11:32 families, but as soon as they became Templars, they dressed just like everybody else outside of their armor, they looked like monks because they were. Yeah. And so I mean, it's it's it's wow that's outside of too. Yeah it is easy. Well it's any group any group of truly religiously dedicated militarized fanatics. You know there's there's commonality there. Yeah. And the thing is it's it's it's very tempting, I think, for us from a modern viewpoint, with all of the, you know, close to 1,000 years of history that's happened in between, to look at, well, you know, yeah, they said they were poor, but, you know, looking, you know, the temple order controlled all this land throughout Europe, they had all this wealth, ta-da-da. And yeah, okay, no, you're right,
Starting point is 00:12:26 but to them, they were a hundred percent sincere about, no, no, I'm becoming a Templar, I'm taking notes of poverty. Right. And like they fucking mentored. And the order becoming powerful was entirely separate from the oath The order becoming powerful was Entirely separate from the oath they individually took if that makes sense and it does because I know Star Wars
Starting point is 00:12:58 Well, yeah, well, and I studied these guys a lot like I know that Philip helped get rid of them and he othered them and and and it was after I mean ultimately it was after the Crusades it failed so now You don't get to have an annex office in the Holy Land, you know. Why do we have these guys? Right. And these guys are way too powerful. I want that money for me. And then, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, hey, wait, wait, hold on. So my lawyers tell me that if these guys are heretics, then we have them all executed.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Right. All of that becomes my land again. Right. Exactly. You know what can we, you know, his mother fuckers, you know. Yeah, so the whole operation was run out of Jerusalem. They had branch offices all over Europe, fortifications, which is funny. They had fortresses all over Europe.
Starting point is 00:13:44 Yes. can we? Hold on, why do you need a fortress in the middle of France when the enemy you're fighting is outside of Christendom? But anyway, I think in large part that was because, you know, nobles died and left their property to them. And it was like, and- what else we're gonna do? Yeah. Yeah, look at the scenic pile of stones
Starting point is 00:14:10 on top of this, you know, village and associated 200 acres of land, you know. And they are. The handsome stone attachment, you know. And like you said, they're Norman and they are, you know, a military order. And Normans were big on building fortresses and a military group that's going to be your aesthetic.
Starting point is 00:14:29 I was in Palermo just real quick. I was in Palermo last summer back before we were banned from traveling everywhere. So which a friend of mine said, this is absolutely karma for the Muslim travel ban. And I'm like, you're not wrong. If I believed in karma. Yeah. But, but yeah. So back when we could travel outside of our borders, I took a group of kids to Palermo and there's a cathedral in Palermo. You would have loved it. Yeah, you just melted into your chair. I will show you the pictures. You're going to love it. It, the walls are all gold, tremendous gold everywhere. Now the normans, prior to this,
Starting point is 00:15:15 went all over the place taking everyone's gold. Hey, nice, nice gold you got there. I'm going to take it now. And then they begin Christians. And, and then they're like, well, okay, well, we have all this gold, but we know people like to take gold. So we're gonna make this gold work in such a way that you can't take it. And so what they did was they poured glass a very thin layer, they almost made baklava out of glass and gold basically.
Starting point is 00:15:42 They poured a super thin layer of glass and then an incredibly thin layer of gold and then another thin layer of glass and that was a tile. To the point where the entire cathedral and this cathedral is enormous, about 100 kilograms of gold, that's it. Wow, yes, like this. That's gotta be stunning to look at. That is amazing. Wow. Yes. Like this.
Starting point is 00:16:05 I'm going to be stunning to look at. That is amazing. And I got to teach kids all about acoustics and all about like, because I, you know, and I told them I said, okay, when they're done with the tour, meet me in the middle of anybody who wants to learn something cool. And so I brought them in the middle. I said, okay, now, um, take out your earbuds because they had like the little speakey thing where the tour guy tells you, I said, now, now now I said this is the kind of room that a comedian hates because if you listen where is all the sound going and they're like well it's kind of going up I said right now look at the ceilings they're
Starting point is 00:16:33 vaulted I said and and look at where the choir would be okay and if you're standing right here in the middle right you you look up and all the sound goes up there I said now if you think about the only sounds that you're going to be getting in this place They're not electronic. It's going to be people praying and it's going to be over there It's going to be people singing so where do everybody's voices go and the kids are like oh my god to god I was like there you go and then I told them like go around in this cathedral and find the places where you were Supposed to talk to God. And you can do that by when you snap, you won't hear an echo.
Starting point is 00:17:08 And so you've got all these teenagers going all over the place. Like when you're a jet, you're a jet all the way from your first cigarette. But it was cool, you know, I taught them that. That's cool, yeah. And then I pointed out, you know, and my kids know I'm a fairly staunch atheist, but you know, I'm pointing out to them, I'm like, if you look at the different layers, you have the story of Genesis on the top,
Starting point is 00:17:33 the creation story on the top. Underneath that, you have the flood story, and underneath that, and I pointed out, I'm like, you don't have the stations of the cross, even those as a Catholic church. And we went into the history of why you didn't have the stations of the cross here, and it was because it was Eastern, and then it was Western, and it was Northern. Just all kinds of fun stuff.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Anyway, so the Normans were really big on gathering a shit ton of gold and building defensible spots. And so it makes sense that the Templars absolutely had fortresses everywhere and were a multinational bank So oh yeah, well and and you know what they they wound up they became a multinational bank Because you know people going on crusade going on pilgrimages You know needed a mechanism for like okay,, I've sold half of my family's wealth in order to get the cash I need to get to the Holy Land and the home. But I can't carry all that in silver.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Right. And I need some way to make sure that nobody's going to try to kill me for it. So what am I going to do? And I go to the Templars. It'll be safe. Yeah. Well, yeah. And so, you know, here is, here are my, you know, 10,000 marks. Exactly. And the Templars, it's okay. Here is essentially a traveler's check. Yeah. here is essentially a traveler's check. When you get to the next chapter house on the way, you can cash part of that out, and they'll scrub that off. And, and, you know, I mean, people died a lot back then. Like, even when they weren't undertaking long dangerous journeys, you know, a thousand of miles. Oh yeah. So, you know, over the course of, you know, a couple of hundred years, yeah, they keep like a huge amount of wealth to the point
Starting point is 00:19:45 that the Pope was jealous. Yeah. And of course, and of course, Philip and France. Yeah, I was going to say that was one of the Clements and one of the Phillips. I want to say it was Philip the fourth. I think you're right. And it was Clement the, I don't know, is an earlymen, but yeah. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, and, and so again, they had this organization that became incredibly politically powerful, had all kinds of sway and had the cash floating around to be able
Starting point is 00:20:17 to loan money to kings and nobles and anybody who needed it. And, you know, but the individual nights swore oaths of chastity that couldn't get married. Right. They were not allowed to have any kind of physical contact with women at all, even members of their own family. Which ended up leading to some of the charges against them, because one of the quickest charges that you could level was homosexuality. And then, of course, since you're there,
Starting point is 00:20:48 you might as well have them desecrate crosses. Yeah, and it's not weird fast. And pray to a blue head in the cellar and get a board nose. Yeah. So, so poverty, chastity. Mm-hmm. And this made them like monks of the Benedictine or Franciscan orders.
Starting point is 00:21:09 But beyond that, they were a military organization. There were three ranks in the organization. There were knights who joined from noble families. There were sergeants who joined from, who were commoners and sergeants did, you know, the work that needed doing like being a blacksmith, being stone mason's, being, you know, whatever all that was. And additionally, they acted as, in the Holy Land, sergeants were light cavalry. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:41 And, and they carried away, and they were also the infantry force for the order. Didn't didn't I'm sorry, let me back it up just a second. Yeah. So the Templars were there in the Holy Land, which means they got kind of first dibs on all the cool stuff. Is that one of the reasons that like the the popes and the kings of France specifically because they were setting up for their Pope anti-Pope fights? But there was that one of the reasons that they were jealous because like these guys had access to all of the, what do you call it, relics? Because I remember the Philip the Fourth claimed, I think it was him, he had a phylactory of the, of a thorn of the crown that was on Christ's head.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Like that's what he had and he like dined out on that. And I might have my Phillips messed up, but it was a gift to him from some, I think from maybe one of the popes. And I swear like, was didn't they have like a saint's head or his hand or something? Well, the Templars.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Okay, Relics, boy, getting into Relics is a whole ecosystem of stuff associated with that. They did, I mean, their chapels and cathedrals had Relics in them because it is a tradition within the church that the altar of a church, especially a cathedral, have some kind of a relic under it as a tradition. Theology of it, I can't get into right now, but yeah. I read Star Wars books and this actually has. It like straight up, you've got the well of the force, you've got all these places where the force is a well spring
Starting point is 00:23:29 and therefore you put a temple there. Yeah, like that was a thing. Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean they had, they certainly, I'm sure at some point, they could probably point to any number of, you know, finger bones teeth, skulls, hands, you know, whatever, whatever kind of relics.
Starting point is 00:23:50 I just looked it up. They were rumored to have John the Baptist's mummified head, which is why they were accused of a Dollar Tree to a head of Bathamette. Okay, well there you go. Okay, there we go. Yeah. So yes, you know, answer your question, but here's the thing. What what Philip was really after was was hub hub hub hub money money money
Starting point is 00:24:15 hoody trust like he and and you know, the Pope similarly was like these guys, these guys have too much cash, they have too much power and influence. They're too much of a presence in the church. We got to deal with them. But I think, you know, relic specifically, you know, them hugging all the relic specifically, I don't think is really okay. I don't think that dog hunts You know, because because the French kings certainly certainly had plenty of other shit to point to as as their own stuff sure You know keep in mind that The crown of thought the crown of Thor not merely a Thorne from the crown
Starting point is 00:25:02 But the crown of thorns crown of Thor not merely a Thorne from the crown, but the crown of Thorne's was one of the relics that that, you know, Catholics all over the world were worried about when Notre Dame caught fire. Because that is that is one of the relics that is that is that is that is it survived for for those Catholic and Klein. You can you can breathe easy if you hadn't heard about that. It's okay. And it's the actual crown. It is.
Starting point is 00:25:35 It is in theory. Well, okay, I don't want to say it is believed. It is believed to be the crown. Yeah, that's what I wanted to say in the language language, the two of us, the, you know, the Vendai, I'm overlaps you. The hardcore, yeah, the hardcore atheist and the, you know, adult convert to Catholicism we can agree on, it is believed to be.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Right. So, but so, so, so they lived lives, the Templars lived lives that were, these lives of enforced simplicity, just like a Benedictine, just like a Franciscan, they got up at the same time every day, they spent, they're mourning started with prayer. Their day would end with prayer
Starting point is 00:26:23 and there would be times during the day for meditation and prayer throughout. The difference was when a benedictine would go to his working hours in the scriptorium or the brewery, come to us, the dictines, or the bakery or out in the fields or whatever, when a benedictine went to his work hours, he did that, when a Templar went to his work hours, he put on his armor and went out and trained. Okay. And so they, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:57 and the difference in their rule, they followed what became known as the Latin rule. Okay. rule they followed what became known as the Latin rule. Okay. And the bunch of their oaths had to do with military service, one of the most notable ones, being that a force of Templars was not allowed to retreat in the face of the enemy until their banner had fallen.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Till the enemy's banner has fallen. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, fallen? No, no, no, they won't turn around. Unless our standard has fallen, we're going to keep fighting. And of course, in this time period, standards showed this is where all my guys are. Right. So that's, I mean, up through the Napoleonic era, you know, standards are critical thing. So they're not, basically, they're not turning around and running until nearly all of them are dead. And if their standard did fall, they were encouraged. This wasn't required, but they were, they were kind of the culture was, well, we're not actually even then going to run away. We're going to try to regroup with another, with another order of nights, like the hospitalers, or we're going to go to somebody else that we're going to keep fighting. their order of nights like the hospitalers or we're going to go to somebody else and we're going to keep fighting.
Starting point is 00:28:06 And so thanks to their heavy armor because they were truly no kidding heavy cavalry, full body chainmail, strong war horses. Thanks they're having armor and their fanaticism. They earned a fearsome reputation amongst all of the forces that they would fight against. The other side, like, okay, well, we know there's a force of Templars here. Maybe we need to try some of our redirection tactics. Can we think? How are we going to, you know, can we come back around to them? Can we, like, like, how do we flank them? Can we, like, parking lot them?
Starting point is 00:28:51 And then, you know, like what they're doing, like their energy, we're going to come back around to that when we've taken care of everything else. Yeah, yeah. We're going to put a pit in them. Yeah. We're going to try real hard to put a pit in them from a long way away. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Because slashing them won't work. So, slashing them is just not going to do a damn thing. Yeah. So, and so, so when they were on patrol, when they were actually out fighting, that was kind of the only time in their lives when they had a lot of freedom in their day-to-day life, because when they're at home, their schedule is utterly regimented as part of their own. If you're feeling mentally busy, then you're much less likely to slack off or do something to violate one of your oaths. So, every day is the same, every day is regimented.
Starting point is 00:29:50 And another one of their famous rules that was part of their rule was they only bathed a couple of times a year. Now back then, that was a fairly common thing, yes. Like bathing wasn't considered a necessary. Yeah, bathing was not considered necessary. And the reason the Templars only did twice a year was because bathing was seen as being a luxury of the flesh.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Right. Now, generally speaking, people didn't go six months. So the Templars were notable in commitment to that idea. And the other thing was, this wasn't actually part of their monastic rule, because they only bathed twice a year. It became part of their culture that they grew their beards out. Like big time. Oh yeah, yeah. Pictures of Jacques de Mollet, he's bearded.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Oh yeah, looks like Wizard. Yeah, no, it's amazing. And what's interesting kind of is the side note that is, Frankish culture, Norman culture, generally speaking, they were they were clean shaven. That was that was not fashion was not to have a beard. Right. Or if you did have one, it was it was trimmed in very very close caps. Now, whereas in the Holy Land in Muslim culture, you grew a beard. And they're in the Templars having those beards made them somehow more I don't know if recognizable as the right word but it was distinctive. Made it more distinctive and when they weren't fighting the Muslims around them,
Starting point is 00:31:41 it was a thing, it was like a visual, okay, these guys are kind of local. Like, you know, I can look at this guy and I know, you know, he doesn't look as alien as, you know, the guy standing next to him. It's kind of like in movies about Vietnam, you've got the soldier who starts eating and drinking with the Vietnamese more than he does with the soldiers so that he blends in more, etc. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and they were, immensely, at the point, I'm kind of trying to get around to with all this is they were on a very significant level. they were intensely monastic. And that monasticism, again, you know, if you look at the way they went into battle, their circuits were the white circuit with the red cross on it. Right. Whereas any noble from any other part of Europe was going to have a lot more color.
Starting point is 00:32:44 As many color, the lot more color, it was, it was all about me, me, me, look at me on the battlefield. You know, I want you to recognize who I am when I come at you because that's how I gain the attention of my lead's lord to, you know, get promoted, get whatever, you know, and so they were simultaneously intensely military and intensely monastic. Well, this sounds familiar. Yeah, well, and again, with the clothing being very plain oriented. I mean, one of the reasons you wear all white is there's the purity aspect right. So you got the religious aspect. But also you're not paying money for dying. It's white
Starting point is 00:33:33 because wool is white. Cotton, I don't think they did cotton, but wool is white. So yeah, linen, I think they also had polyester and rayon. I know that they had those. Yeah. Yes. But they didn't blend them because they still actually read their Bible. So. Yeah. No, it's true.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Yeah. No, no, no. And that's that's why he caught fire was because he was wearing so much polyester that they didn't mean to burn them at the stake, but his legs kept rubbing together. It's just it just caught. Yeah. It emulated for. Yeah. I'll be wet. Yeah. Pauliester that they didn't mean to burn him at the stake, but his legs kept rubbing together so much. It just caught. Yeah, it emulated. It was.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Yeah, I'll be right. Yeah. The hospitalers, on the other hand, they wore a spestus, so it was, yeah, better. No, it was going to say the hospitalers wore cotton because, you know, scrubs. Good one. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about when they were in Mesopotamia because that's where you get the term mesophiliaoma. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Yeah. So, like involved. So having no described the temple, we definitely see, okay, so we have these martial artists who, who, you know, have this intensely monastic kind of lifestyle. And, and then, and then like it goes off the rails because in order to become a temple, you had to volunteer. Yeah, that's not what the Jedi seemed to be. Lucas's episodes would do three.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Not at all. And, and Templars were not the people you sent to do anything diplomatic. Templars were the warriors of God. Right. And, you know, on their good days, you know, the better angels of their nature, they were defenders of those who couldn't defend themselves. On, on, and off a lot of other occasions, they were Norman Knights in a foreign country given license to pick a fight with the neighbors. Right. Because God.
Starting point is 00:35:56 So, you know, and so again, it's a fun house mirror. Well, it's if you take a bad understanding of Eastern mysticism and you blend it with a bad understanding of what the Templar basically if you blend it with action comics, Templar Knights. Oh, yeah, which is probably where he got it. Almost definitely. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So stories of Simon Templar. The saint.
Starting point is 00:36:32 Well, yeah. And so, you know, it's this, it's this really unfortunate kind of thing. Because what you have with the Templars historically is the antithesis of Wandering swordsmen because the Templars lived militarily Regimented lives. They were soldiers. They were a part of effectively a very elite standing army Right, you know, they They were like, you know, Marine Force recon of the medieval world.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Only their battlefield role was entirely different, but you get where I'm going with that. They were, they were, you know, highly, highly motivated, highly trained, all of the Esprit de Corre. Mm-hmm. And then, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:22 marry that to then religious fanaticism. And like, you know. marry that to then religious fanaticism and, like, you know, I mean, the thing that sticks is the focus on temple. Focus on physical spaces that they occupy and their proximity to power, like those things stick. But you're right. Oh yeah, yeah, and, and, you know, so, it's a shame that, you know, we as the fandom got what we got from Lucas.
Starting point is 00:38:07 And I love your analogy. You use whatever we talk about this. He lets us play in his driveway and sometimes he backs over our toys. Pretty sure it's Timothy's on that said it, but yeah, yeah, he's right. He is not wrong. He's so correct. You know, because because there was so much stuff that was developed in the expanded universe that didn't make the Jedi out to be al-Qaeda. Right. You know, this immensely, not just spiritual, not just missed, but like, honest to God, no kidding, codified religious order with orthodoxy.
Starting point is 00:38:50 And, you know, whatever I don't remember, the specific lines, but in episode one, there's a back and forth with Qui-Gon about, you know, you got to be careful, you're going to, you know, everybody says you're kind of a heretic, you know. Yeah, this is why you're not on the, uh, the, the jet. I can't. I'm not on the jet. I can't. And he says, I'm gonna do what I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna follow, you know, my heart, basically.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Yeah. Yeah. I'll do what I've lost. Yeah. And yeah. All right. And, and, you know, that's, that's what that's just the organization that we got is so much less interesting than it could be.
Starting point is 00:39:36 And it's because Lucas got locked into a couple of very specific notes, as you said at the beginning, as beginning what we're talking about here, he got locked into a couple of very specific notes that he had written down very early in the process and he wanted to call back to thing you go to. And like the other authors, you know, who you love to rag on and I'm joining you in that, as time goes on, you know, he had this immense confidence in his own vision, that prevented him from understanding how limited his vision in this case was. Yes. And, you know, we could have had a model that actually looked more like what the the Ronin were in Japan.
Starting point is 00:40:50 We could have had a model that looked like the fry festers and you know the rivalry between the fader-fetcher and the marks-britter. Like we could have had more than one Jedi order. Yeah, oh yeah. You know. They do that do the books. Yeah, we could have had stories. We could have had we could have had storylines with with Lucas's imprimature that that, you know, tell us about, you know, the the Skywalker family going back, you know, being force sensitive, but not all of them being Jedi. We've been taught by the Jedi order for years and years and years and years, but these ancestors were actual Jedi, Jedi, fry, fetch, Jedi,
Starting point is 00:41:38 Fencing Master, Jedi, professional soldier, professional, whatever, Jedi. But let's talk about your grandfather who was a moisture farmer and a Jedi. Yeah. The story of the story of when he got called on to use his abilities to defend his neighbors, this is what he did. Like the ways in which that is more compelling,
Starting point is 00:42:09 then turning them into a group of unattached, sexless, kind of bloodless. Yeah. uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh human, but you get what I'm saying. Yeah, taking the anima from taking the essence, if you will. Yeah. Yeah. And when we talked about how Lucas screwed up Buddhism way back when one of the things that now occurs to me again coming back around now to talking about Lucas and developing these stories is you know you brought up well you know he's at the end of the day this guy from you know the Central Valley of California coming from this particular background from this particular kind of Protestantism and this kind of culture. And we again, we see that reflected in
Starting point is 00:43:33 the kind of limited choice that he wound up making. that he wound up making. Yeah, and you know, I'm going to push back just a little bit because he had to explain Darth Vader. What better environment to create Darth Vader than to kidnap somebody away from his mother and let him not come save her? And then teach him nothing about attachment except that it's bad when he's already too young to be doing this and he's got abandonment issues. What better way to create the villain who is the most powerful and will destroy your whole order because your order is so short-sighted, then to merge really shitty understanding of Eastern
Starting point is 00:44:26 mysticism and the comic book version of Simon Templar. Like, I don't think you could have made a better peachy dish for essentially an unrequited mom was boy who then took that and then put it all on his wife and then took his fear of losing her and then made that his impetus for the ends justified all the means and his anger at the order then goes to his trust of anybody who will show him affection. And it damn sure can't be the Jedi. So then he turns on them. Like all these things are this stew in which Anakin boils to the top.
Starting point is 00:45:17 And I remember you had said years ago. And I don't know if you came up with this or if you found it. But episode three should have been the fall of Obi-Wan Kenobi And it could have been a really cool buddy cop movie where Obi-Wan slept with Padme and That sent Anakin spinning the wrong way and it would have been way more interesting and therefore Obi-Wan's stuff in episodes four Well in episode four especially but his willingness to keep lying as a ghost, an episode five would have made a hell of a lot more sense than having it just be, you know, mom-boy issues.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Yeah. No, I definitely agree with you. I think I'm going to borrow a phrase you used about a different tour in another episode. And I'm going to say that I think George Lucas fell backward into that perfect backstory. Yes. In the same way that Conan is a great movie to you by accident. Yes. I would say that it's not a great backstory for Anakin.
Starting point is 00:46:26 I would just say that it's logical. Like, it makes sense. It's also a really just poorly done story. I'm sorry, but it is. Like, you know, there's so many missed opportunities with that. You're looking at the Jedi as an overall group and an ethos as far as all these
Starting point is 00:46:45 missed opportunities. They could have been like you said, the Wujah, they could have been like the Ronin, they could have been like the fire fractures, but instead you get this, you know. I know I said it wrong. I'm sorry, I have to, I just to enter interject because this is a nerd podcast and some of our young nerds are going to kick out of this. You said fire fetters and I like it to think was many years ago all of the fetchers lived in peace. The earth fetchers, the air fetchers. But then the fire fetchers brought war like I yeah like it. You know. And the water fetters they pailed in comparison. Nice. Thanks. Thank you. Fetch your avatar. But like, you know, you went at the order and the the
Starting point is 00:47:38 monastic tradition stuff like that, very, very valid. I think that even looking at I think Luke has failed on that level for certain. You've made a very clear case and you've given three really good examples of ways that he could have done it otherwise. But I also think that he failed completely when it came to the personal fall of Anakin Skywalker. You didn't push the button enough on the mommy issues. We needed just a couple more scenes about that. Honestly, would have done it for me. Or you pushed the button a little harder on the I have to protect pod may thing.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Cause now she's pregnant with my kids, spoiler alert. But you could have pushed that a couple more scenes. You know, you didn't have to have an ode to Benher in episode one. You could have had a tender moment with him and his mom instead of just like, hey mom, I really love you. I don't want to go. And she's like, you should go. He's like, wizard's yippie.
Starting point is 00:48:43 You know, it's like, oh, you know, like actually have those tender moments there so that we see that he's longing for and missing that instead of just when it's convenient to the plot. I think that he really blew it on that. And just the, you know, I, what am I done? I cut off Maze Windu's hand. And he's like, well, now you can be Darth Vader.
Starting point is 00:49:01 And he's like, oh, okay, you know, yippee, but in a darker voice. Yeah. Instead, it's like, now we can save your wife. Like, just a few little tweaks there. And Lucas absolutely hit it with good writing. Well, maybe it wasn't him that hit it though. Because his wife was definitely helping him edit
Starting point is 00:49:21 during all of episode four. When he has dark and walk in and go the Imperial Senate will no longer be a problem for us. The Ambrace just dissolved it. It's like, oh, you just established what the government was and now is in two lines. So, you know, it's not like he couldn't have done that with Anakin's fall. Or... Oh, yeah, no way. Okay, you know, he could... Yes, okay. He could have done that if he wasn't the head of ILM and one of the most powerful men in Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Yep. Well, he wasn't in Hollywood. But yeah, I get what you mean. But in the industry, yes. Yeah, in the milieu in which he was operating, he was, you know, he was he was God and and everybody was terrified to critique anything he was saying. So, you know, again, I think I think the genius of what makes
Starting point is 00:50:17 of what of what led to Star Wars being an iconic great piece of cinema was he had all these obstacles. He had to overcome. He had a limited budget. He didn't have anybody rooting for him and he had to figure out how to make it work. And it's in those moments of, okay, I can't just hit the easy button on this. I got to figure out a way to make this work. You know, I can do this big long, I can do this big long scene or we can figure out how to do this info dump in two lines and get it across. And so that was episode four, episode five. He had more of a budget, but he still had people telling him, all right, you know, you got more of a budget, but he still had people telling him, all right, you know, you gotta lucky the first time.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Right. So you have to listen to an editor, you have to have somebody look at the script, you gotta have a script doctor, you gotta have a, you know, and then with number six, I think we kinda start seeing the beginnings of some of the, Oh yeah, I mean, he stepped outside of the union.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Like that's why he couldn't get, or is either five or six, he couldn't get Spielberg because he wasn't working union and Spielberg was like, no, I'm a union guy. Yeah, like he wanted Spielberg and he couldn't get him. I think, I think that's when he got, yeah, that's when he got Markwant. Yeah, yeah, because Markwant Mark want I think was from France. Um, but yeah, he wasn't in the, uh, the director's guild. Yeah. So, correct. Yeah. So, so, you know, and then by the time. So then, and then we have all of the, you know, everybody who, who loves the universe that Star Wars happens in and everybody who played in that sandbox, played in that
Starting point is 00:52:04 driveway for all those years building all this stuff out And then by the time he comes back to it He is the guy who gave us all these wonderful toys and nobody wants to tell him no And and we got the prequels which He showed his ass in so many unfortunate ways. Like, oh my God, I understand that a lot of the stuff is inspired by old Bucarajer cereals, but really? You know, I get a flash Gordon yellow peril and all that,
Starting point is 00:52:43 but like really What is that legal like right? Yeah all the no audience I lost a Transmission sir and so if you fucking kidding yeah You know and in a whole and a whole sort of heroic species who are who are basically rastafari and amphibians like yeah really Sort of heroic species who are who are basically rostophary amphibians like yeah really mm-hmm like like all of the non-humans in the first trilogy mm-hmm were awesome because yeah because they looked different but but they weren't saddled with stupid accents right and
Starting point is 00:53:24 And they they weren't carrying loads of subconscious stereotypes on them. You know, so like... True. That's very true. I mean, why couldn't... Did not act like he was from Philly. You know? Yeah, I agree with you. You can't look at bib for tuna and go, Okay, what is he coded as? Right.
Starting point is 00:53:47 Like, uh, uh, Admiral Akbar, you can't look at Akbar and go, well, I mean, obviously he's, you know, Polynesian, right? Right. Right. Because because there's no, there isn't any unfortunate subconscious coding. You get to episode one and you're and and within within minutes. Yep. It's like Oh, we're doing this. Okay. You have got to be getting me. Mm-hmm. You know, and and again, he got away with it because who's going to tell him no? Mm-hmm. And then he put a diner in episode two.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Diner in episode two. Like what even what even is that like like there's no there's no aesthetic and you have a Jedi a part of this monastic order. This this blend of like we are separate from everybody, but we're set in the center of town. And he's really good friends with the owner of Mel's diner. Like that's just so weird. Yeah, well, yeah, it's again because he he threw out the idea and everybody around him went, yes, boss. Yeah, he's, he's, don't throw me out in the street to, you know, start off to death in the cold,
Starting point is 00:55:14 cold winters of Marin County. Like, you know, and I mean, you know, I'm being a little slip, but only a little there. Right. You know, like this, he literally, you know, number one, he had the power to hurt people. And he has a reputation for not taking criticism well. So like, you know, and so because of that, he now had all of the toys to do his special effects wizardly stuff. And it's like you have to understand that I was so incredibly excited to see large scale multiple combat with lightsabers fighting.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Since I was six years old, that was like such a daydream. And then it happened and I was like, oh my God, this is visually spectacular. And I barely give a shit. Yeah, how can you take something that should have been brave heart with lightsabers and make it boring?
Starting point is 00:56:23 Yeah. Yeah. Like, like I, I, it's like, oh, he's got a lightsaber and he got shot by somebody. I'm like, what? Yeah. Really? Like, come on. I, like, it's supposed to be Jedi, like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:56:37 Right. I don't care if it's Boba Fett. It's still a pistol. Yeah. You know, like, or a Django Fett. But like, you know, when Bob a Django fat, but like, yeah, you know, when Boba fat was shooting at Luke, Luke, who is not a very well trained Jedi at that time, like you still barely figuring it out, he not only blocked shots, but then he
Starting point is 00:56:55 ends up cutting his, you know, carbion and half. And I'm like, yeah, okay. And that's the thing that got me was that they were so, it's almost like he was so interested in showing off like this is the world that the Jedi are, that he forgot that they were such a cut above the rest that he made them incredibly killable. Well, number one, I'm not even worried about that. I'm just talking about the emotional stakes that were involved. Oh, there were none. I didn't care. Yeah. Like, like, yeah, I mean, he was disappointing and watched that many Jedi get cut down like chumps. Okay. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:32 I'm totally agree. But, but more to the point, like, I don't, I don't have any reason to care about these people as individuals. Yeah. Like, like, okay, I've spent, you've spent a movie and a half, movie and three quarters, but it's haven't seen, I'm thinking of following this Obi-Wan, Kenobi, and this Anakin. But I kind of think Anakin's a douchebag. Not kind of, I think, Anakin's a douchebag. I think Anakin's a douchebag. Mm-hmm. And I'm a little more, I'm more sympathetic toward Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan doesn't really seem to care. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:13 You know, Obi-Wan, you know, even McGregor is doing such a great job portraying the, you know, kind of swashbuckling devil-make-air attitude of Obi-Wan that like, not only like he gives a shit, so why should I? Right. You know, and, and that's dialogue, and that's, you know, script stuff. You know, and I'm, I'm mostly more sympathetic to Obi-Wan Kenobi because I'm a new and remover or fanboy and it's really, really clear who on this set is having the most fun, like of anybody. And so that sells an awful lot right there. But in terms of narrative structure, I have no investment. And a big part of the reason I have no investment is the organization, all of these people are part of doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's they did things that were actively dickish. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:59:26 So like, you know, yeah. Right, yeah. You got no argument here. So, all right. So that's what the Jedi could have been. Could have been. And instead we got what they were. I will say this, all the things that you have mentioned
Starting point is 00:59:46 absolutely existed in the books and in the comics. Yes. There were plenty of authors who picked up on that and decided to face it and go away from it and turn it and stuff like that. Like I said a couple episodes ago in one of the books by Karen Travis They run into some Jedi who are like oh no, we're like
Starting point is 01:00:10 basically the Mary Prankster version of Jedi and Yeah, we we marry and fucking have all kinds of fun and and the guys like these mother fucking Jedi with their Ascetic bullshit. I can't believe that they cheated all these Jedi out of having that. What the shit is this? We're gonna, and like, he's just hates them even more. Like, she does such a good job of having so many people hate the Jedi. And then they're, and understandably so.
Starting point is 01:00:38 And then when they get into the legacy, no, pass the legacy. It's, I forget what it's called, but it's the last major, several book series that they did. It was right before it got bought up. This was the last glut. Then there are a couple books that came after, but it was pretty much, it was trailing off. That was a really good series, and it absolutely dug into the issue of having an order and all this through the doubts of Luke Skywalker and through his interactions with the government and whether or not they should have me tied to it. And to the point where he moves the temple or he gets banished for 10 years. And the temple is still there, but they're
Starting point is 01:01:28 nerfed by the government and it's all kinds of weird. And you start to see these schisms. And then there are other books where they absolutely talk about the old Jedi Order. And then they have different splinter groups and stuff like that. And in the comics, they 100% do that. And it's just so much richer and it's so much better. It's the stuff that you're talking about.
Starting point is 01:01:51 It really is. Like there's one Jedi I was telling my kids about. He's a blind Jedi, walks around carrying a stick, cooks for people. And when he gives them their soup, he basically has this mantra that he says, I forget what it is, but it's basically, I always use the same ingredients,
Starting point is 01:02:10 whatever you taste is what you're putting into the soup. And so some people hate the soup, and they're like, you promised me good soup. He's like, I made what I made. I'm sorry that it's not to your tasting. Maybe you should look at yourself. And like, you know, that of course makes them want to fight and he's just like, I don't really want to fight you
Starting point is 01:02:30 and he beats the shit out of him with a stick. And then there's another Jedi who is like, yeah. Hold on, yeah. I just need to say that is so Buddhist it hurts. Yeah. Like everything about. Oh, and that's what I'm talking about, right? I'm going to give you this thing.
Starting point is 01:02:48 And hopefully, I genuinely hope that your reaction will be one of, you know, learning. Mm-hmm. If not a enjoyment, I hope you will learn. And if you refuse to learn, then I'm sorry. I have a stick. I, well, you know, and I'm not, and I'm not gonna beat you over the head for saying you didn't like the soup
Starting point is 01:03:06 But if you try to attack me, I'm a fuck you up. Mm-hmm. That's like oh my god. I love that so much Oh, and he flat out says I'm restoring a harmony to this situation basically, you know like it's so Like this person clearly studied a keto, you know kind of thing, you know, like it's so, like this person clearly studied a keto, you know, kind of thing. But then he gives it to a Jedi who is infiltrating Duke who's inner circle. So he has to pretend to have fallen, which means he has to do some horrible shit and let some horrible shit happen.
Starting point is 01:03:40 So he's a good Jedi doing the dark side shit. And so it's just this wonderful like, you know, and how far is too far, et cetera, et cetera. It's just great. You know, and this is all in the comics, right? And he gets the soup. Like the Jedi shows up just out of nowhere. And it's like, yeah, I'm going to make some soup,
Starting point is 01:03:58 make some soup. He's like, how does it taste? He's like, it has no flavor at all. And it's like, whoa, shit. He's like, I don't even use the same word. It's just so good. Like the comics were amazing, especially like the Clone Wars comics.
Starting point is 01:04:11 And the books, there are several that suck, but there are so many good parts about Jedi in those books. So all the stuff that you're asking for, all the stuff that you're down on Lucas for not providing, rightly so, is provided by authors who got to play in his driveway when it was still his driveway. And then he sold the house.
Starting point is 01:04:31 And now all that stuff is not considered canon, but you are seeing Disney taking bits of it and using ultimately the good parts. You know, they don't necessarily do it the best way sometimes, but they are using the good parts. My kids and I are watching the new Clone Wars episodes, and those are all Disney episodes. We finished all of the Clone Wars, which were pre-Disney buying them out, and Rebels was pre-Disney buying them out.
Starting point is 01:05:00 We're watching the final season of the Clone Wars Wars and then we'll go on to Rebels. So there's some stuff that's happened. So anywhere. That's pretty much it for you, yeah? Yeah, for this. Okay. That's all my force lightning. So I don't have anything else in the tank at this point.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Force lightning always gets you a dark side point, even if you only use it for spot welding. You still get a dark side point for it. Yeah, right, well, we're living in that world now. Oh boy, ooh. Oh, well, before I go hang myself, what are you reading or watching that you want us to do? Or to check out?
Starting point is 01:05:49 I'm going to very strongly recommend if you can find it. It's on streaming services. The movie, The Gentleman. Okay. Matthew McConaughey. All right. All right. All right.
Starting point is 01:06:09 It is directed by Guy Richie. Okay. So it is a Guy Richie movie. If you are familiar with Guy Richie's work, you already know kind of what I'm talking about when I say that. It is a really, really good movie. It is really entertaining. I remember seeing the ads for this.
Starting point is 01:06:32 It looked great. Yeah. Yeah, Hugh Grant is unrecognizable at the first. First shows up on the screen and like, who is, oh my God, you know, they do a really good job of skis that came out. It's amazing. And he's, he's again, clearly having a lot of fun doing what he's doing. I think everybody involved clearly was having a good time. And it and it is very violent and very darkly funny in a couple of places. Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:09 I mean, it's, there are funny moments throughout. There are a couple of places where it's funny in ways that are like, oh, that's really dark, but I can't stop laughing. Nice. So I really highly recommend it. So yeah, I'm, as far as what I'm reading, mostly, well, it was research for this episode and trying to get stuff ready to go for school.
Starting point is 01:07:39 So not really an awful lot for just my own enjoyment. How about you? What do you got to go on? Let's see, I've started binge watching, well binge watching. I've started rewatching, I think any watching in COVID has probably been watching, but I started rewatching Deep Space Nine, and there was already in the first season
Starting point is 01:07:58 and episode where they got a virus and everybody had to be quarantined and people broke the quarantine and the virus spread everywhere. So that was fun to watch. So wait, hold on. Why were the crew of DS9 in Orange County? It's a good point, yeah. I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:08:24 Yeah, yeah, it just, Yeah, just because the economy, Quark wanted to stay open. So here's the thing, Quark is a greedy son of a bitch, but he's also got a very well-developed sense of self-preservation. Yes, he does. So no. It wouldn't be the driving force behind that. Well, he makes the argument. He says, you know, people are so scared that they need some way to blow off steam.
Starting point is 01:08:58 And so they can gather here. And it's like quirk. If they gather, they're gonna get sick. And they absolutely did. Yeah, so, but yeah, so I've been starting watching Deep Space 9, so that's been fun. I'm doing a few, I'm reading a few books just for research for upcoming episodes. And I'm also, you know, reading a fair amount of old, old, old, old Republic Star Wars stuff. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Oh, you know, that's a thing I wanted to point out, by the way, was that in, there's another old Republic series comic book where you're following a Jedi who fell terribly and he's barely hanging on and his masters are all trying to murder him. Like, and it's a whole series and it brings down the order for a while So it's it's oh wow kind of temporary But um that's that's only a about a thousand years before baby w um, but uh I I've been reading those things and yeah, that's that's been kind of it because again you and I are both
Starting point is 01:10:06 wasting our summers by doing a lot of curriculum so that's that's about it If people want to find you on the social medias, where can they find you? on Instagram I am mr. Blaelock, MR Blaelock and on the Twitter I am at. Blaylock, MR, Blaylock. And on the Twitter, I am at EH Blaylock.
Starting point is 01:10:35 And again, since we've given up trying to make this timeless, you probably won't be able to find me after tomorrow on TikTok. Is that really happening? He has apparently said he's going to issue an executive order, whether whether that is enforceable, right? That's going to look, I mean, I have no way of knowing, but yeah, he's apparently saying he's going to do it. Because I know he was saying he was going to do it. I didn't think that he could actually do it. Well, there's a question over just exactly what authority he has
Starting point is 01:11:05 and what the mechanism would be for him to do it. Or for his executive order to actually take effect. And whether it could actually be, and like if he could actually do it, pardon me, without there being a massive legal fight and like an injunction, while the whole thing works its way through the courts. Right. But, you know, he's planning on doing it, which, you know, I got to say, it's like one of those times when I kind of have to look at the White House and say, that's a weird flex, but okay. Like of all the shit you could be doing right now to try to grab headlines and look like
Starting point is 01:11:46 a tough guy, the social media app where suburban moms are busy doing dance moves. That's a really good description of it. Yeah. People are jumping off of bridges. Yeah, like really? That's what you're going for. Like a week ago, you were full on gering, you know, home. Like, you know, had the whole fascist mat on going. It's still attacking media.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Yeah, but you get what I'm saying. But yeah, I totally do. Like, really? Yeah. This is like, I personally take it to be, you know, one more, uh, in Controvertible sign of his mental decay. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Anyway.
Starting point is 01:12:38 So, you're on TikTok until tomorrow, right? Yeah, so I'm on TikTok until, you know, the executive executive order takes effect and there I am also Mr. Blaylock. Okay. And after that very long segue, where can you be found on the social media? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at duh harmony that's two H's in the middle duh harmony. And yeah, I've been trying to get the capital punishment Tik Tok up and running, but apparently it's a moot point.
Starting point is 01:13:07 We'll see, but yeah, you can find me there. You can also find me every Tuesday night on twitch.tv forward slash capital puns. And this will be well after the episode, this episode will come out well after this happens, but this coming Sunday at 11 a.m. I will be on the UK pun competition or the UK pun off. So yeah, so going across the pond to to I and in fact they're already giving me shit on the Twitter. One of them said they
Starting point is 01:13:42 they said if you're in honor of the fact that the North Americans are coming to join us, what kind of singer do you need to clean a wound or something like that? And they said, you have to stay with American accent, Celine Dion. And then in parentheses after that, it said, if this was 400 words longer, it would be a Damian harmony pun. And go on Twitter and find my response. Yeah, I was pretty quiet. So, so you spent the last couple of days in the burn unit.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Is what we're seeing? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's very true. Yeah. All right. But yeah, that's where you can find me doing comedy and stuff. So all right, well, for a geek history of time, I'm Damien Harmony.
Starting point is 01:14:36 And I'm Ed Blaylock. And until next time, keep rolling 20s. I'm going to go look up suburban moms dancing now. I'm going to go look up suburban moms dancing now.

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