A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - Are Pop-Tarts Ravioli?

Episode Date: June 3, 2020

Pop-Tarts, a beloved breakfast treat. Ravioli, a savory stuffing wrapped in pasta dough. Like Bruce Wayne and Batman, could these separate identities be the same caped crusader? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is Mythical. The Pop-Tart, a beloved breakfast treat. The ravioli, a savory stuffing wrapped in pasta dough. But like Bruce Wayne and Batman, could these completely separate identities be the same caped crusader? Today, we find out. This is A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what?

That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich, the show where we break down the world's biggest food debates. I'm your host, Josh Ayer. I'm your host, Nicole Hendizadeh.

And today we are answering the question, is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? This is a heavy hitter. It's an absolute internet troll question that I'm obsessed with. Nicole, what are your thoughts? As the queen of trolls, I'm just going to go ahead and say yes. It is absolutely ravioli. I knew you'd say that. You're too online to say no to this question.

I'm hip. I'm with it. I'm all on the Twitter. You were just telling me how you're physically addicted to TikTok right now. Bad. Like I'm badly addicted. Like I have stuff to tiktok right now bad like i'm badly addicted like i have stuff to do and i'm just scrolling and i'm like learning dances that i will never ever actually post slash do but i'm just fascinated by these like arm and hip movements

but besides that point yeah a pop tart is a ravioli josh do you think it's not because this is like what you do you literally are the person that comes and says x equals x so this is weird for me if you don't no no i don't believe a pop tart is a ravioli simply because a pop tart is a tart which is the french word for pie it's literally in the name taking a pop tart and calling it a ravioli is putting it through this like insane internet brainwashing machine where you can get anyone to believe that anything is anything. Nicole, this is the political propaganda. This is how nation states fall. This is why Hungary is getting kicked out of the European Union.

No, if we want to hold on to any logic and reason in the world, we have to say that a Pop-Tart is not a ravioli. But they're pretty much the same thing whenever you think of what a ravioli is which is dough filled with x what is a pop tart if it's not dough filled with x i i hate this logic because it always comes down to like well if you look at a calzone it's pretty much the same thing as a salad a salad has food that is covered in sauce. Inside of a calzone, you have food and sauce. No, no, no. No, I'm not saying that. I'm not going completely out of my mental state to prove a point.

They're just the same thing. If you look at them side by side, it's like, oh, ravioli is the mini version of a Pop-Tart. The dough is a little different, but if we look beyond the difference of the dough and how, you know, it's a tart dough or a pie dough, as you like to say, and if it's just a difference of dough, I don't think it's that big of a difference where it's like not the same thing. I think it is a huge difference. Also, this is one of those questions that actually has like a real

origin, right? So, I want to go into the history of this and read the original argument really fast just so we can get this out of the way. So in May 30th, 2017, a Discord user named fecking shite posted a speech in which he argued the Pop-Tarts are ravioli. I created an excerpt from it. A ravioli has a rather plain casing filled with delicious filling as well as a usually yummy sauce of some kind on top. Now let's look at the Pop-Tart. A Pop-Tart consists of a rather plain casing containing some delicious filling with a yummy topping on the top of it. The only difference is the ingredients, and as I've said before, the ingredients don't define a ravioli. You can have all sorts of ravioli, just as you can have all sorts of sandwiches. The composition isn't what

makes these foods, it's the structure. Besides a slight variation in shape, the structure of a Pop-Tart is not that different to a ravioli. You'd have to be a big hypocrite to call an ice cream sandwich a sandwich, but not call a Pop-Tart a ravioli you'd have to be a big hypocrite to call an ice cream sandwich a sandwich but not call a pop tart a ravioli so that is the initial argument posted by fecking shite who must have a phd in logic and philosophy because discord user fecking shite is swinging it but i mean you seem to agree with most of that argument right i mean i i do but i don't know well like an ice cream sandwich is a sandwich do you agree i i'm not sure i think that's something that i would have to devote an entire 24 minute podcast conversation to figure out but i think i would agree my initial instinct says that i would agree it's a dessert sandwich but i think ravioli is a savory pop tart well here's the

thing i think you can't i don't think savoriness versus sweetness has anything to do with this because i think you can absolutely make a sweet ravioli in fact i've had a sweet ravioli at like a super legit uh italian restaurant it was actually at a was it valentino's in in santa monica it closed a while ago but anyways they had this like really cool passion fruit ravioli that looked like the raviolo al vovo thing you know the egg ravioli so anyways i don't i don't and i think you could easily make a savory pop tart right there's savory pies um all over there it's basically an empanada at that point um to me the biggest difference is the dough, right? A pasta dough versus a pastry dough, to me, are two very different things. And then also the cook on it.

So Pop-Tarts are something that are baked. Ravioli are something that are boiled. I know you can bake ravioli. You can fry ravioli. But the dough is always either baked or boiled, cooked in some sort of moisture before that. Have you ever boiled a Pop-Tart before? No, which is shocking because we've done i can't believe that anything i feel like we've done so many things with pop tarts we should try boiling a a pop tart and see what happens and if it has a similar texture i've never boiled pie dough

before to see like what would happen to it i haven't either and i think there's a reason most people haven't boiled pie dough i fried i fried pasta dough done like a you know pasta frito situation it doesn't hydrate properly so i i fully am sympathetic to the argument that they look very similar um but it's not because of the preparation and the ingredients like in this little mini speech the ingredients don't define a ravioli of course they do the the ingredients define every food. That's the entire point of, you know, what food is. It's made up of its component parts. The point is, a Pop-Tart is not a ravioli. And another thing that I'm fascinated by is the insistence on calling it a ravioli, which is like a very regionally specific stuffed pasta in Italy.

I get that, you know, it is the most, what do you call it, topologically similar in shape to a Pop-Tart, but I think you'd have a much better chance of arguing that a Pop-Tart is a dumpling because to me, all Italian filled pastas fall under the category of a dumpling, right? Really? Yeah, of course. No. Of course they're dumplings. No. Wait, hold on. Because in my head, an Italian dumpling is like what is it called nudie have you ever had that before it's like a ricotta dumpling yeah that's an italian dumpling i don't know if i'd consider ravioli a dumpling but i mean think about like the entire like asian or the entire chinese canon of dumplings right in dim sum with like shumai and hargao and all that. Like they're very, very similar to what a

ravioli is or an agnolotti or a cappelletti or a mezzalune or a caramelle. Right? They're very similar. So I would argue that those are all dumplings. Now when you call gnocchi or nudi a dumpling, that's kind of similar to like the American chicken and dumplings, right? Where it's just boiled dough. Yeah. But I don't know if i'd consider those dumplings to me a dumpling like something that is in a wrapper that is either steamed or fried that's a dumpling so to me all italian filled pastas are just dumplings so why would you go with ravioli is a pop tart a dumpling to me it's not though because it is a baked dough making it a pie a pop tart is a hand pie if we want to get very specific which is a very common american southern dish little pies that you eat with your hands they also like hostess sells hand pies four for a dollar empanadas like you said like i guess i hate when this happens

that's fine no i mean i'm i'm just really fascinated by this entire debate because it's phrased in like such a poor manner in a way. Like, of course, a ravioli is so specific. I actually looked up the kind of history of ravioli to see why it would be. I assumed ravioli was a southern Italian dish because most of like the Italian American food canon comes from southern Italy, right? Or Sicily, where most of the immigrants came from in the early 1900s. But it turns out ravioli most likely originated in northern Italy.

And so I went down this rabbit hole. And it turns out Ettore Boiardi, aka Chef Boiardi, came from a town in the Emilia Romagna region in the north of Italy. And he was the one who like helped popularize Italian ravioli, making it like, you know, the preeminent filled pasta shape. Because I was always wondering, like most fancy restaurants in LA, they don't serve ravioli, right? They serve like agnolotti, other filled pastas around ravioli. So I was wondering, like, why is ravioli so popular that you would use this in the

debate to call, you know, to define a Pop-Tart? And so Ettore Boiardi, he had the biggest canned food empire in America going into World War II. And then in World War II, he got a deal with the government where he started supplying troops with cans of ravioli and his other canned pasta goods, beefaroni, all that. and so this is how the government comes to try and ruin pop tarts through the military industrial complex supplying troops with ravioli that is my ted talk thank you for coming i still i still believe you know dough with something in it is a ravioli is a dumpling is a blank i really do but ravioli is a subset right this so if you took the analogy of the is a hot dog a sandwich argument this question is a

pop tart or ravioli is the same thing as asking is a hot dog a reuben or is a hot dog a tuna sandwich i believe that because they're specifics well that's what I'm saying a ravioli is a very specific type of dumpling it's something that's like become big in popular culture because of the military industrial complex and Ettore Boiardi but to me like could you ask the same question is a pop tart a banh cuon the Vietnamese dumpling that looks very similar to a ravioli, or an Armenian manti, you know, or a Jewish kreplach. Is Pop Todd a kreplach? Come kibitz with us. Oh my gosh. I don't know. It's just something about, I guess it's just the crimping, you know?

It's like how it's beautifully sealed. It just reminds me so specifically of just a big boy raviolo. It is. What is it called? I don't know what it is how it's like beautifully sealed just reminds me so specifically of just a big boy raviolo it is what i don't know what it is that's another thing uh if you ever want to be the biggest a-hole in the world and someone asks you is a pop tart a ravioli just go actually it's raviolo ravioli's plural if you ever want to do that i purposely said yeah i purposely said raviolo because you're giving one large raviolo because i am a i am a big you know i'm not going to say the word i'm family friendly okay do you know this i don't know i guess go ahead no are you going to say something important i was going to say do you know this no the singular of spaghetti is spaghetto yes i do know that i do know that

but at the end of the day i just i don't know what it is it's just in my head the two belong together in a sentence maybe it's because i've had it singed in my mind due to the twitterverse do you think that's what it is that i'm just so i used to like like just scroll and troll on the twitter and i would just look at it and i just like yeah that makes sense man is it because i've been brainwashed to think that it's like specifically this way do you think that's what it is yeah i think you need less screen time i think i think that's what's happening is your brain is being warped by all the screen time josh guess how many hours i was on my phone last week oh wait i'm gonna actually guess um average screen time eight hours 37 minutes nine hours 14 minutes

and that's 11 down from last week oh my god wait i'm down too i thought i was bad i'm i'm at like high sevens but every time when the quarantine started, and I started getting those updates on my phone, the first one literally said your screen time is up 47% from last week. And I was like, yeah, I wonder why iPhone, you made me think about cutting me a little slack or something here. Okay, you don't see me criticizing you for your behaviors, spying on people listening to all their conversations. don't know man i just i'm just on my phone so much and i'm just on the internet so much that maybe it truly has just warped my reality for me to even you know your points are so logical and they make so much sense and you come come through with factoids and dates and names but still i'm

just really stagnant in my thought processes you know the damn internet has brainwashed me i i think the argument because a pop is a pop tart ravioli to me has almost supplanted is a hot dog a sandwich in terms of like internet popularity right i think is a hot dog a sandwich was like first generation of like viral internet food questions and i think pop tart ravioli is like the second weird generation like hot dog a sandwich was like first generation of like viral internet food questions and i think pop tart ravioli is like the second weird generation like hot dog a sandwich vine pop tart ravioli is tiktok right gets even stranger there's just uh an intrinsic part of you that wants to feel like a pop tart is a ravioli because they do have very similar images i think these debates people form a sort of identity and community off of them right like

you look at the fun people have just talking crap on twitter about whether or not it is and so you kind of like get entrenched in your beliefs what is the uh the confirmation no what's not the dunning-kruger effect what's the thing where when you're presented with contrary information it makes you go deeper into what you already believe it's called being nicole hendizadeh it's called being nicole like i think this is literally not not a political issue as in this is the thing that actually affects our lives but like a political issue um a political philosopher once said the political is that which divides friend and enemy it's something that you can't explain through logic it is just something that exists on an identitarian level and that's what the pop-tart ravioli thing is i accept that i can't convince you to come to my side but to me

this is not even a good faith argument this is a bad faith argument solely meant to stir up crap online yeah i think that's very very true you're coming through like i said you're coming through with facts you're coming through with reality you're coming through with literal and it like like empirical evidence i'm just like nope sorry the internet said this and now my my thoughts have been skewed and i am screwed forever because every time i go to an italian restaurant i'm just going to be like, can I get a plate of Pop-Tarts when I actually mean ravioli? So now I'm just, you know, I'm just lost. I'm lost in the sauce. The singular of Pop-Tart is actually Pop-Tarto. How did I know you were going to say that? How did I have a strong feeling?

I think I should have start like, I don't know, making Pop-Tart ravioli. Maybe that is, have we not made that? Josh, you literally literally you made peanut butter and jelly ravioli now what i'm thinking is what if you ended up making the the the dough of the pasta what if you made it a short crust like you know like a like a short what's it called a short crust is that what it's called yeah short crust yeah what if you made a short crust that would be really interesting it might be really really good and it might completely meld the two worlds together in a really successful way. You wouldn't even have to sauce it because an unsauced ravioli is still a ravioli to me. But if you boiled that shortcrust pastry, would it be a ravioli or a Pop-Tart?

That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I said in the beginning. What we have to do is boil some crust and see what we get out of it. Do we get an actual viable pocket filled with things or do we just get a mess? I have a hard line on this. If you make a Pop-Tart crust and then you fill it and then you crimp it and you seal it and you boil it, it is no longer a Pop-Tart. It is simply a ravioli. That is not to say a Pop-Tart is a ravioli. That is to say for me, the hard line on all this, Nicole, my line in the sand is the cooking method. If you bake it, that is what turns it into a pie. If you boil it or steam it, that is what turns it in to a ravioli. And I fully believe that. Similar to if you took a pasta dough

and baked it, I don't, huh, uh-oh. Uh-oh, Paschettio. Uh uh-oh paschettio looks like look like you just found a little wormhole oh god i'm smiling i'm gonna jet wash you gotta get me out of this cougar that's a little top gun reference oh my god i need to rewatch i've never seen top gun oh watch top gun they kiss all the time the boys nice yeah um okay so hold on hold on hold on hold on here a short crust it's not that different pop tarts aren't even actually leavened either like there's there's lecithin in it like there's but there's no real leavening agent so it pretty much is just fat flour and water there's sugar in it too but it's not that different from a pasta dough if you boil this is what i've been saying

fam it's just the oil that you put in it like like the fat that you're putting in it, you break it up and you mash it with your fingers and or a dough cutter. And then you add your liquids. Like it's just the temperature of the fat is also a different thing. And also the fat is different, too. Like some people put olive oil in their pasta dough. A lot of people don't, but a lot of people do to eat it in the actual like rolling out process and stuff like that. But when you do add it, does that make that pasta dough now a short crust dough because it has been reconstituted with fat? I think there's something to, because a short crust dough can't be made with liquid oil, right?

So there's something unique about a short crust dough in its preparation. I know Pop-Tarts uses like palm oil and all that but okay hold on hold on hold on so you make a shortcrust dough you boil it i believe that's a ravioli but if you made a pasta dough filled it and baked it do i believe that is a ravioli or a pop tart or neither what do you think i don't know break it down in your head a little bit like think about fillings think about cook times think you're in the myth close your eyes think you're in the mythical kitchen you've been given this task to debunk if a pop tart is a ravioli or if ravioli is a pop tart you're working feverishly you get there at nine you leave at eight you're telling nicole and trevor to make different fillings use

this use that crimp it this way crimp it that way bop it pull it Lucas smashed a bop it with like a hammer yeah that's great okay a pasta sheet dough rolled out into the shape of a pop tart filled and then baked okay I believe that the pasta dough is far enough away from a proper short crust to not be considered a pop tart or pie but am i just a hypocrite then because i believe that a short crust is similar enough to a pasta dough to make it a pasta what is it about pie dough i think i'm oh my no no no no no let me okay let me help you because i don't want you listen i'm trying to help you out so let's think about a can of ravioli, a Chef Boyardee can of ravioli and a Pop-Tart. Those two, okay, how about we say this?

Those are different, okay? Those are different. Those are not the same thing. A Pop-Tart is not a can of Chef Boyardee ravioli. But a Pop-Tart can be a ravioli that is artisanally crafted and created with intention. How about that? So you're saying that in its state, a Pop-Tart is not a ravioli. Because when you are saying a Pop-Tart, you are implying,

a Pop-Tart isn't like a set of ingredients, right? A Pop-Tart is a fully formed dish that is packaged. There's intellectual property rights around it. That's interesting. Is an uncooked Pop-Tart still a Pop-Tart? Is an uncooked ravioli still a ravioli? At what point in the cooking process does its state of being actually occur?

Because a Pop-Tart to me, a Pop-Tart's cooking is presupposed by its existence. So a Pop-Tart by definition to me is something that has already been baked. It is not yet a Pop-Tart until it is baked until it is baked therefore a pop tart cannot be a ravioli because it is baked i think they are a lot more similar than i gave it credit for and i no longer believe very similar they are very similar i believe that the original post by fecking shite on discord was not in good faith i don't believe that they had any real

intention of arguing it or any real expertise i think this is a dunning kruger effect situation where the less you know about something the more confident you are about it however after talking about this with you i now believe that they are a lot more similar than i gave them credit for okay let's agree that they're similar but different yeah same same but different would that satisfy the middle ground that we are trying to reach i think we found our impasse i think we have come to a beautiful conclusion in a way that you put so much of your identity in this sort of online personality like nicole you you had like a fake twitter that didn't have your name on it that you would stalk me on while we work together.

Like that's some online stuff right there. Josh, they're going to find it. What's wrong with you? Operation Find Nicole's Finsta. No, stop it. No, I wouldn't stalk you on it. I would retweet controversial things and opinions that were pertaining uh pertaining to me personally okay gosh meanie all right so i i think we have found you know the point at which we cannot go any further

i think pop tarts and ravioli probably have some sort of common ancestry in in dumpling hood right actually the word pasta and pastry literally share an etymology. So, they're very quite similar. And I think that we can, you know, sleep well tonight. Well, I can't sleep well because I have general anxiety disorder and I get four nights of rest of sleep a night. But in theory- And you have a sweaty bed. Don't forget about your sweaty bed. Yeah, yeah. You can see my sweaty bed in this video. It's gross. I don't want to see your sweaty are your sheets are your sheets baby blue and gray yeah i made bold decisions i wrote i would have been convinced you're more of an olive

green like bed sheet person no i've started to go all all like turquoise and burnt orange my apartment yeah you should see my apartment i've just been like buying up decorations out of stress on amazon i'm killing it i have a burnt orange duvet myself. It's a silk burnt orange duvet and the other side is a nice chocolate brown. That's very fitting. I'm coming for Jesse McLaughlin's job. Oh my gosh, I miss Jesse. All right. Well, I think that about wraps it up. I feel sad side of this. And also I am very hungry for Pop-Tarts now. Why don't you eat a Pop-Tart, young man? I left them all in the office. Yo yo we still got like nine boxes of pop tarts in the

office oh man all right and on that note nicole we have heard what you and i have to say now it's time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the twitterverse it's time for a segment we call a one and opinions are like nicole We're going to get this right. Okay. On three. One, two. Opinions are like... Opinions are like... Oh my God. Oh my God. Just cut to the dang segment.

Opinions are like casseroles. So first up, we got at spooky bench. When I was a kid, I would only eat garlic bread if it had peanut butter on it. Sometimes I'm tempted to try it again because I remember it slapping. I can see it working, I guess. Like, garlic and peanuts, they, like, work pretty well in Thai food with some chilies and stuff. But I don't know. I don't know if it would be my first choice, but it is something that has intrigued me enough to the point where next time I have garlic bread, I'm smearing peanut butter on it.

Everybody needs to relax with their weird peanut butter situations. Like, this is just odd. Like, what is going on? Like, what did you eat as a baby that you still eat to this? I don't know. I can't get behind this one. I love peanut butter and weird things, but this is just too weird for me. The parsley? Nah, can't do it.

What's the weirdest thing that you put peanut butter on? Well, weird or like... Yeah, like what... Do you have any like interesting peanut butter habits to yourself because we get so many peanut butter things in this well i just eat spoonfuls of peanut butter till i feel like i can't breathe does that count one time i almost choked one time i came into the office and i told you i choked on peanut butter like at 3 a.m remember that wait no what one time i'm like i had this really weird thing where i had like three spoonfuls of, like, like I had three tablespoons of peanut butter.

Oh, yes. And I'm like, I couldn't breathe and I thought I was dying. So I went to Reddit and people are like, yeah, it looks like you just had a blockade because you're eating like a thick liquid. And I'm like, ugh. I remember that. I, yesterday I got caught in like a weird little, like, oh, there's a pandemic anxiety spiral sort of thing.

And I literally just calmed myself down by like eating a really good peanut butter straight out of the jar, like the nine dollar jar stuff that I've been buying because I'm not spending money on anything else right now. And I had such a good time, but I'll take peanut butter and just throw it into like a lot of stews and soups that I'm making. Things with no distinct flavor profile. I'm just like, ah, this could use some peanut butter. So I like it.

I like peanut butter in my ramen. That's about as wild as I get with peanut butter. Allison Francis underscore says maple syrup on breakfast sausage slaps. It's the only way to eat it. I agree. I love, love, love when my maple syrup gets on my saucisse. Very, very good. I do too. But I think, God, we could do a whole episode on the geography of a proper American breakfast plate because I love maple syrup on sausage and I love getting a bite with like a pancake or a waffle, some butter, some syrup, some sausage. But I also love sausage with eggs, ketchup and potatoes. But another but, I hate when like the eggs and the syrup and the potatoes interact. So for me, syrup on sausage, fan-freaking-tastic.

But not when you get eggs into the mix. I hate that. Very opinionated on. But syrup on sausage, dope. Okay. All right, at Drew Maboost, I put ice in my cereal. Let me explain.

Milk gets room temp so easily, and I only like milk cold. I don't even eat the ice. I eat around it to get the cereal. It's kind of like those dog bowls with the grooves to slow down their eating plus milk is like 87 percent water i agree i put ice in my milk i i don't put ice in my cereal all the time but i have done it and i do like it but anytime i drink milk i put ice in it the thing i hate is when like my girlfriend criticizes me for putting ice in milk she thinks it's weird here's the thing i only have whole milk on hand because

anytime you recipe testing and all that cooking you should be using whole milk to keep it you know nice and even steven she drinks two percent if you add water to whole milk it just becomes two percent that's the whole deal right so like icing milk i'm basically drinking ice cold two percent and i dig it especially with cereal okay the only time you should put ice in your milk is if you're having an ice latte. If you put ice in your milk anywhere else, you are the feds. It's weird. I don't agree with it. But also, I'm the kind of person, when I pour myself a bowl of cereal, it's like a race.

I'm just like... I don't stop to let my cereal get soggy. I just go at it. So I never experience putting ice in my cereal because my milk is always cold because I can finish a bowl of cereal in 30 seconds flat. So sorry, you're weird. See, no, I like the soggage.

I let it get soggy for like a solid three minutes, depending on the cereal. If it's Fruity Pebbles, you gotta start eating it right away. But if you're dealing with like a thicker cereal, like especially something like a Frosted Mini Whe mini wheat you gotta let the milk soak you gotta let the milk soak okay troll be bears buffalo sauce is superior to barbecue sauce when it comes to wings but just buffalo sauce is we already talked about how much we love buffalo sauce

it's just a superior sauce it goes with everything and anything and i think it's beautiful yeah i am i'm generally against absolutes when we talk about food like x is superior to y however buffalo sauce on wings especially is superior to literally anything what i do when i go to a wing place is i will get like 80 normal hot wings sometimes in varying degrees of hotness and then i'll get like one little x factor wing just as like a treat. Like, oh, I'll get like 20 buffalo wings and then let's get five. Oh, you got like a Hawaiian island fire or something. Yeah, give me some of those just to change it up to remind myself of how much I love

buffalo wings. I love buffalo wings. Take the next one. Let's go at the real Sam Oak. I told some people my ideal pizza is topped with pepperoni, jalapenos, corn, fried egg, and sriracha, and they said I was a monster. Pepperoni, jalapenos, corn, that all works really well. Fried egg, that works really well with all those things and sriracha.

This is, wow, kind of my ideal pizza too that I had never even thought about. I was thinking the same thing. Like, come here, little monster. Your home is with us. This is a delicious sounding pizza. Yeah, the real Sam Oak, you officially are a friend of the show because you understand us.

Corn on pizza is one of the most underrated things. It's big in Brazil. It is big in Korea. There's a couple like Korean pizza spots in K-Town that'll do like the corn cheese on pizza, especially with chilies. And it is delicious. It is delicious. I agree wholeheartedly.

Kenzie underscore Cole says, dipping chicken nuggets in ice cream is good. Just stick to French fried potatoes, please. I think they may have taken it one step too far. However, I will say I used to dip McDonald's McNuggets in just straight up honey. Like not honey mustard, just straight up honey. And that's really good. Kim Kardashian does that, I think. Really?

But she's so fit. I don't like the temperature difference. French fries and ice cream, delicious. But chicken and ice cream delicious but chicken and ice cream that's something i'd pass on but more power to you kenzie cole very serious lewis says relish is nasty i'd rather just dice up some good pickles and replace it in anything that costs for relish or order just pickle slices on a hot dog which i have done many times um relish is good you're you're tripping don't be so serious really you're

very serious yeah i like relish i didn't know you're relish is there any other use for it other than a hot dog um no but who cares i guess like like tuna salad there's a couple of things i actually really agree with very serious lewis this is a thing that i've thought about for a long time like literally since i was a kid i remember eating a really delicious deli dill pickle and being like man that's delicious and then i got a packet of something called dill pickle relish and i was like wow this is great it's squeezable pickle and then i ate it and i was like this is nothing like it it's just a gross green syrup so i'm with him but some good gross green syrup that you squeeze out of the thing and it just goes like yeah onto your hot dog and you get 90 liquid it's pretty good yeah it's satisfying uh pickle syrup

i like it more often than not though i'm i'm dicing my own pickles they need to sell that just dice just dice pickles like not in the context of like a syrupy relish just pickle dice yeah that's a good idea maybe it's like a it's like a fermentation thing or like a like a food safety thing i don't know take the next one josh oh god i hate this one so much i hate this so much but you have to say it you have to say this i don't wanna say all right fine at jack colrus a burger is a club sandwich no no it's not no No, it's not. Idiot, get out of here. Get out of here. All right, got him. Boom, murked. That's a headshot. Leanne underscore Oleander.

Is a church function really a church function if there are no church lady sandwiches? Did someone really die and have a funeral if there are no cream cheese and cherry or asparagus sandwiches? Is egg salad true egg salad if it wasn't made by a church lady so this is something i'm very envious about like midwestern like salads and like stuff like that was something i never experienced because i'm a southern california girl so i never got to like experience that like midwestern like funeral potatoes ambrosia salad with like canned tangerines and like jello and maize i always wanted to experience that. So I can't tell you if it's an egg salad, if a church lady made it or not. But what I can tell you is that I envy you for having that experience. You ever seen those memes on

Twitter that are like, you're not from Michigan unless you've eaten this. And it's just like a Cheeto and sunscreen sandwich or something. Yeah, I have. It's really funny. That's what this reminds me of. Like, I have no idea. I grew up next to a really big megachurch and I grew up in sunscreen sandwich or something that's yeah i have it's really funny that's what this reminds me of like i have no idea i i grew up next to a really big mega church and i grew up in a really big mormon community too but this is like southern california you know evangelicals and mormons so like we didn't have that like big church potluck thing or if we did have a big church potluck it'd be like this is a cara cara orange and quinoa salad you know it was like so bougie southern california uh and also i

remember i think our funeral potato is a mormon thing or is that like i don't know i just remember looking at on food network i'm like oh my gosh are these potatoes specifically for funerals wild i feel like funeral potatoes are a mormon thing and there are some like specific mormon dishes in the same way there's some like specific jewish dishes that we think of in the canon but i remember asking a mormon friend in middle school like what's mormon food and he just goes straight face no humor uh my mom makes tacos a lot so i guess chicken tacos and i was just like chicken tacos are mormon all right cool cool so yeah that uh your church potluck sound dope i would love to be there all right at aka sheppy mayo is better on fries than ketchup. Better?

I really enjoy mayo on fries. I don't think it's better. And I think that ketchup offers a balance to French fries. French fries, you have like hot, starchy, fatty, salty. Ketchup, you have sweet, cold, acidic. I think it actually works better than mayo, but I do love both. I do love both too. I'm more of a ketchup fan just because um it's just more normal i feel like but the other day i actually had a fish and chips and

i dipped it in dijon mustard highly recommend it oh oh that does sound nice god i'm so hungry can't wait to eat lunch i need it i'm gonna make a burger thanks i love burgers can i come get one no stay home you're infected you're dirty josh i josh literally you don't get it i bought a meat grinder and i'm gonna make smash burgers for my birthday oh dang wait that sounds better than what i'm about to do he he suck it read the next one all right at matt underscore harling shell noodles are the best noodles to make macaroni and cheese with so there are a lot of politics involved in the pasta shapes and what sauces you're supposed to put with them, right?

Yes. In Italy, like bucatini goes with amatriciana. Like these are things that, you know, carbonara is spaghetti. You do not make carbonara with a penne or something. I do think shell noodles or conchiglie as they're known in Italian, it probably is the best noodle to make macaroni and cheese with just simply because you get those little explosions of liquidy cheese sauce. i do really love it i haven't done that in a really really long time but thinking about because you know i'm just a straight up like a like medium macaroni

girl with my with my mac and cheese but thinking about it yeah shells yeah i am team shells you know what i hate and it's the it's so many things i hate so many things nicole no the the go-to like fancy macaroni and cheese pasta like maybe 10 12 years ago when like tgi fridays would put like an adult mac and cheese on the menu they'd be like uh penne and chit and penne and cheddar but now everyone's doing cavatappi you know cavatappi of course i know cavatappi yeah it's like it's like. Yeah, it's like four macaroni noodles linked together in a spiral helix situation. It's too long. Cavatappi, too long for mac and cheese.

What are you doing, fancy restaurants? Get the heck out of here. Okay, Octopus Queer says, For weird food colon, the way I ate ramen growing up was drained and then mixed with sour cream and the sauce packet. It's so good but I haven't eaten in a while because everyone outside of my family made fun of me why are people like okay first of all I'm so sorry you were bullied for the way you eat food and I know that I bully people for the way they eat food but like I'm so sorry if you're ever made fun of like

in real life I'm really sorry and you should enjoy your sour cream ramen and I'm sorry if you're ever made fun of like in real life i i'm really sorry and you should enjoy your sour cream ramen and i'm sorry if i ever hurt anybody's feelings for what they eat you are so emotionally moved by them simply doing colon dash end parentheses to form a frowny face nicole that frowny face hit you so hard in that comment it's you don't get it people are mean and like i know it's like i'm doing it behind a podcast but when you do it to people in real life it's so mean i think we try and i think we try and be inclusive and like you know let people know that food preferences that's just what they are their preferences and there's no morals that are attached to any of these preferences except for that freaking idiot who thinks that a hamburger is a club sandwich uh no sour cream and i had this

weird food memory like when i was a kid and i started cooking and i would watch food network and like i'd get all ambitious with things that i'd make but looking back they're just very very stupid like i stirred mascarpone cheese they had at trader joe's with white rice and i called it risotto right but i remember i had a secret sauce that i made my dad would be like oh my god josh can you make that secret sauce it's so good and looking back it was sriracha sour cream parmesan cheese and dried dill why those why those things we would dip anything we dip fries in. We always used to eat those frozen pierogies, Mrs. T's, that are freaking delicious. And just like four of the most random ingredients possible.

That was my secret sauce. Mmm, caloric. And so thinking about the sour cream with the dry ramen, it warms my heart. I would love that. Yeah, I'm sorry you ever made fun of anybody about their food, and I'm gonna go think about what I've done. You should. You should be very

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