All Fantasy Everything - 2018 Pop Culture (w/ Sean O'Connor, Alison Herman, and Sean Jordan)
Episode Date: December 20, 2018PEOPLE MADE STUFF THIS YEAR, WE'RE DRAFTING IT. THE RECAP IS BACK. With comedians Sean O'Connor, Sean Jordan and the amazing writer who you can read in The Ringer, Alison Herman! Support the ...show!Join the All Fantasy Everything Patreon for exclusive mailbag and movie watch-a-longs episodes. Check it all out at www.patreon.com/AllFantasy.Rate All Fantasy Everything 5-stars on Apple Podcasts.Decide the winner on the All Fantasy Everything Twitter poll @AllFantasyPodMerch!T-Shirts! Sweaters! Stickers! Mugs! Deck yourself out in some goods at www.teepublic.com/user/allfantasyeverythingEpisode Guests:Alison Herman @aherman2006 IG: @aherman2006Sean O'Connor @seanoconnz IG: @seanoconnzFollow the Good Vibes Gang on social media:Ian Karmel @IanKarmel IG: @IanKarmelSean Jordan @SeanSJordan IG: @SeancougarmelonJordanDavid Gborie @Thegissilent IG: @Coolguyjokes87Show Email: allfantasypodcast@gmail.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Welcome to another brand new episode of All Fantasy Everything.
The podcast that ate about six packets of Sour Patch Kids downstairs.
And is feeling kind of a weird sour buzz off of them.
You're juiced.
I'm juiced.
I'm like a gusher.
They have cold Sour Patch Kids now.
What are you talking about? They're called Sour Patch Freeze.
And they have Sour Patch Hot, too.
What is that?
Wait, like they make you feel the sensation of coldness?
The Freeze one, it tastes like you have Noxzema in the back of your throat, if that can happen.
Oh, okay.
So it's kind of like those mints that have the ice crystals.
Yeah, I was about to be like, can't you just make mints and gushers?
They would be horrible.
Or mint Sour Patch Kids.
But the hot ones are like, ooh.
Muy caliente.
They're like warheads.
They have a chili pepper with cute little googly eyes on it.
Little Anthony Kiedis's.
That's what they are.
So it's basically KY Sensations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But for Sour Patch Kids.
A telling.
I got those.
I can't imagine going in there for a KY Sensation.
No. You're a big KY Sensation guy, right? for a KY sensation. No.
You're a big KY sensation.
I mean, yeah, you had to tell everyone.
Yeah, I am.
What's a KY sensation?
I'll take the bait.
It's amazing is what it is.
We're drafting loops today.
It's like lubricants, but they have like sensations.
But so they're like, it's like cold or it's like tingly,
freezing, like Arctic blast.
I'm not married, so I just masturbate
with it but yeah
one of these days
I'll figure it out
man masturbate
that's a tough word
it sounds so gross
it's gross
I
I mean it's a gross
activity
we should all be ashamed
it is
none of us
none of us
all have fun in hell
you know
as a married man
it would be very hard
for me to
just bring home
lube to my wife
and be like
we talked about it on a podcast.
Now she's going to listen.
She's going to find out that she's dry.
I stopped at Ralph's, made a big scene.
You know, like, where's the goddamn lube at?
Right when I walked in the door.
Aren't the KY sensations?
I want the Arctic Blast KY sensation.
I went to a Duane Reade recently.
And for some reason. It's like CVS. Oh, no, wait. It was Walgreens. It went to a Duane Reade recently and for some reason
Oh no wait, it was Walgreens. It's not actually
Duane Reade. I just am stuck in New York
in my head. But I was shopping with my friend
and we realized. Was it a Walgreens?
Yeah, it was the giant one at Sunset and Vine
that like randomly has a really good smoothie bar in it.
Oh really? Yes.
Lunch tip if you're ever in the Hollywood area.
Sushi, smoothies. Really? Yeah, that Walgreens
is the dopest part of LA.
It's a flagship, which I did not know Walgreens.
I didn't know Walgreens either.
Is that right by where What's Up Tiger Lily used to be?
Is that that one?
A little bit.
By the one Arby's in LA?
Yeah, it's in the-
Yeah, the Arby's is on the other side of the Ringer offices,
and then the Walgreens is there,
and then between those two things,
we have all our needs.
For everyone else out there
there's one Arby's in LA
and it fucking
there's one
it's such a bummer
I love Arby's
it's a handsome Arby's though
that's the only one
it's great
great signage
and also
I've wanted to go
to get their new duck
they got ducks
they got duck at Arby's
absolutely not
man you don't know
that's like
they had a hero promotion
like G-Y-R-O
and I was like
if you're in Los Angeles and getting your heroes from Arby's, you deserve the food poisoning.
You can't do that.
True, but Duck is different than a hero.
Gyro?
Giro?
Why do they feel like they buy their meat from contractors or something?
Because all of a sudden they'll just have deer.
Oh, yeah.
No, it's totally mafia going like, yeah, I got eight ducks. And fell off the back of a sudden, they'll just have deer. Oh, yeah. No, it's totally mafia going like, yeah, yeah, I got eight ducks.
Fell off the back of a truck.
They're going to have cigarette carton sandwiches pretty soon.
Arby's just acquired a duck farm on a hostile takeover.
The reason I brought this up was that Walgreens inexplicably, half the lube was in one of those like locked cases so it meant if you wanted to buy lube at the Walgreens you had to
call over a sales attendant and be like
I would like some lube
I want camel's
breath KY sensations
you really
ought to want the lube at that point
there's jokes about it but they hit like you know I went to
a 7-Eleven one time in Port
I hate buying condoms I'm thrilled
that you can buy them now in the self checkout but they had them behind the counter at the 7-Eleven one time in Portland. It was such, I hate buying condoms. I'm thrilled that you can buy them now in the self checkout,
but they had them behind the counter at the 7-Eleven.
And I went up,
I was like,
can I get some condoms?
And the guy didn't hear me.
And I was like,
condoms,
said it like three times.
By the time I screamed it,
there were like 10 people in line.
And I'm like,
give me the fucking condoms,
dude.
I,
you know,
yeah.
You gotta call them Jimmy hats.
They should make it easy to get is the point.
On the other hand,
that is what every woman experiences when buying tampons at a bodega.
So welcome to the female experience. Why do they have them in the back i don't put them in the aisle they're also taxed like luxury items which really makes you that's i'm living the fancy life
over here i'm gonna say it right now that's rude you're a great ally thank you so much
that is gnarly uh shot that's what anyways that kind of podcast itly That kind of podcast Sean S. Jordan in the studio
On Twitter, Sean Cougar Mel Jordan on Instagram
Seen a lot of those
A lot of those out there
What's the latest?
Nothing man, just hanging out
Went to a vegan dinner party last night
I'm so sorry
It was tight
I normally put canned chili and things like that in my body
So it was kind of, you know.
Oh, you got your veggies for the year.
Seriously.
I bought some vitamins the other day.
I was worried.
What were some of the dishes?
I think Brussels sprouts and kale.
They wouldn't tell me what one was.
That actually doesn't sound appealing.
They're not doing fascinating things.
I had a vegan Big Mac once.
Yeah, at least there's some greedy as Brussels sprouts, kale.
I contributed some mac and cheese to a Friendsgiving, and in the most L.A. move of my entire life, I had to label them specifically not the vegan version because there were, I think, multiple vegan mac and cheeses in play at the spotlight.
I think it's because I just hang out with construction workers, but really, I've never been invited to a vegan.
Well, you're the kind of guy who would
eat duck in an RV.
Exactly. I think the moment I say
that out, they're like, we've lost him.
He's a lost cause.
Morrissey doesn't hear this.
You will. Yeah, they listen.
Morrissey's a big... You said Morrissey?
Yeah, Morrissey. Yeah, Morrissey's a big fan.
Also Moby, owner
of Little Pine, the vegan restaurant in Silver Lake.
Moby, Morrissey.
All the M celebs.
Dwayne Reed actually listens to that.
Marilyn Manson.
Wow, Dwayne Reed himself.
Michael McDonald.
These are the famous vegans.
Michael Rappaport.
Michael Rappaport.
Yeah, I think that's it.
I think those are all the vegans.
That's the five vegans.
Gwyneth Paltrow invented veganism.
Right, and then she backed off. Much like yoga. That was wild. Did think those are all the vegans. That's the five vegans. Gwyneth Paltrow invented veganism. Right. And then she backed off.
Much like yoga.
That was wild.
Did you see that?
She like, ugh.
She said she invented yoga?
Yeah.
Basically, she was like, oh, I went to a yoga studio and the 22-year-old receptionist who
was clearly just being polite or like doing what her boss had ordered her to do for every
customer was like, have you ever done yoga before?
And then she was recounting it and Gwyneth Paltrow was like like, no offense, but the reason you do yoga is because I do yoga,
which honestly is not wrong.
I would say most white women know of yoga
through Gwyneth Paltrow.
From her.
And there is part of me,
I truly believe this,
that I was the first comedian to say butt stuff.
And every time I hear someone say it,
I want some money.
Give me some money. I feel like I was
the first person to call Beaverton, Oregon, the Tron.
And now that happens all over Portland.
The first person I've ever heard called the Tron.
See, everyone
creates something, and Gwyneth Paltrow just
created yoga for white women. We thought
we invented skate, which is horse on a skateboard.
When we, you know, in Sioux Falls,
where I'm from, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, we thought we invented that, which is horse on a skateboard. When we, you know, in Sioux Falls, where I'm from,
Sioux Falls, South Dakota,
we thought we invented that
and then we found out
as soon as we ventured out
into the world
that like, no,
everybody had their version
of skate.
It was like, yeah,
horse on a skateboard.
We'll call it skate.
Same amount of letters.
Cool story, huh?
It's a good story.
Yeah, yeah.
Rev Hall in March in Portland
by tickets to the
second stand-up show.
All the other shows
have sold out.
Yeah, thank you, Portland.
You'll be there,
but maybe you'll have
some fun people with you.
Maybe Sean Jordan will be there.
Maybe David Borey
will be on the show too.
Might be.
Hard to say.
You'll be there
that day earlier
for the All Famous
Everything podcast.
I will guarantee
I'll be there that day earlier.
It'd be weird.
It'd be weird
if I just didn't go.
Yeah.
But I might.
I'm an alcoholic.
We'll see.
It's not my fault.
It's a disease.
So I might just sit in the bar.
Anything else to promote?
No. Listen to this and be awesome everybody everybody thank you from the bottom of our hearts for joining the patreon and just supporting and
just being awesome oh yeah i mean i hope that doesn't fall on deaf ears with anyone ever
seriously thank you yeah thank you yeah yeah i just you know i gotta get it out i'm speaking
of which you can sign up for our patreon. All fans of the Amity Patreon.
But seriously.
Bonus episodes.
Watch-alongs.
Yeah.
The Slack.
Yeah.
Sean O'Connor.
Hey.
In the studio at Sean O'Connor's on Twitter.
It's so good to be back, guys.
It's so good to have you back.
I love being here.
Last time I saw you, we were at the Roost.
I was at the Roost.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We were just there on a Wednesday night.
I love that.
I heard about that.
I love that you're hanging out at the Roost now.
I love the Roost.
I will die for the Roost.
I will, too.
It looks like you're inside a Christmas bulb in there.
I do.
Now, how do you feel about the owners potentially being Trump pets?
Well, you've been talking to fucking Mike Malloy or something?
He's the only person I've heard.
We all have our lines in the same way.
It's fine.
I still listen to Grimes.
I've heard it.
I said it.
I was listening to Grimes today.
There you go.
Here's my thing about them being maybe Trump people.
They're Vietnamese immigrants.
You know what I mean?
Like in Los Angeles, they're in a giant blue bubble.
Even if they are Trump people.
They're not doing anything.
They're not really doing anything.
They haven't spilled over into my whiskey, so I'm not worried about it.
It's like a symbolic middle finger.
Yeah.
It's like being a teenager.
You need to rebel.
It's just being rude.
But without real consequences.
Yeah, exactly.
I kept going
but I also went to the Griffon
like three days
after they had
their little problem.
Little problem moment, yeah.
You know, to fight.
No, just because
it was completely empty
and that's what I look for
in a bar.
You need to get a table.
Out there holding a chain
and a spike bat.
Get out of here, you cowards.
Then they just told me
to come in
and take off my net hat. I have my
supposed to take it off. Are you not allowed to wear
hats in there? No. No team colors.
Oh, because of the Proud Boys? No!
Before the Proud Boys, so it's even
more confusing. Oh, right, because that was part of the, like,
this is fucked up because, like, I'm not even allowed to
wear my sports team hat, so, like,
why are you letting white supremacists have white
supremacist shit on in this bar?
Yeah, that's real bad.
I've never been to the Griffin.
It's pretty good.
I haven't either.
You've been there?
No, I haven't.
Oh, no.
If I'm in that reach, TG or the Roost, usually.
Local LA bar content.
Yeah.
It's very relatable for everyone listening.
The Roost fucking rules.
However, the jukebox at the Griffin fucking rocks.
Does it?
Oh, my God.
Rock rules.
I've just put so much Misfits on, and I just watched the bar fucking rocks. Does it? Oh my God. Rock rules. I've just put so much misfits on and I just watched the bar clear out.
I got something to say.
The all family everything people do love local The Roost content.
I mean, it's fun.
It's just like you have this picture in your mind of what you think The Roost is and like
you're all right.
Everybody got it.
Cool.
One of my draft picks is going to be Rustic then.
Hell yeah.
We're just going to talk about your Rustic for 20 minutes.
I love Rustic.
We got Rustic takes.
It's maybe the best chicken wing in LA.
Yeah.
I'm going to give them extra crispy.
Their chicken wing's incredible.
Their burger's also great.
Really?
Wow.
I'm in a burger club,
and I brought everyone to you Rustic,
and they were so disappointed.
But I love it.
Go dive into that a little bit. You're in a burger club, and you brought the club to Ye Rustic Inn. They were so disappointed, but I love it. Go dive into that a little bit.
You're in a burger club
and you brought the club to Ye Rustic.
Yeah, we were all voting
on where we should take the next trip
for our burger club.
I was like,
Ye Rustic Inn is close to me
and their burger is amazing.
Everyone was like,
this is just okay.
Well, I'm in a duck club.
You're the only one
who believes in the burger.
I'm in a duck club and I was wondering where to take them.
Oh, Arby's, baby.
We went to Duck House in the San Gabriel Valley.
Oh, I love Duck House.
I went there on Christmas last year.
I forced my friend who does not watch movies to go see Phantom Thread with me.
And then I was like, I'm going to reward you with a good Chinese dinner.
What a cute little Christmas.
It was wonderful.
Jewish Christmas.
I bet it took like 10 minutes to get to there.
Oh, yeah.
We also went to Giusta in Venice the day before, and Silver Lake to Venice took like 18 minutes.
That's wild.
It was beautiful.
Woo!
Love to drive.
LA traffic content.
Do you have anything coming up you want to direct people to?
Well, I'll make the announcement here, although it's just only going to be a minor announcement.
But Sean O'Connor is entering the podcast game.
Oh, shit.
Hey, my love.
Welcome.
Yeah, it's called Your Two Dads.
It's me and Julian McCullough doing a what to expect while you're expecting for the boys.
I love that.
I can't tell you who the company is yet, but there's going to be an announcement.
Wow.
It's Alex Jones, right? Yeah.
You're doing it with InfoWars.
Yeah, with InfoWars.
It's really important to speak up for father's rights in this political climate.
Yeah, father's right activists.
Like, we're not men's right activists.
You're doing daddy's rights.
Daddy's rights.
Daddy's rights.
Live pod from family court.
That's a brilliant idea.
Well, when can people look out for that?
Coming in the new year.
Coming in the new year.
Perfect.
Allison Herman in the studio.
Hello.
A Herman 2006 on Twitter.
Across all platforms.
Across platforms.
Synergy, baby.
Yeah.
Writer on the ringer.
Yep.
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Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right because of the eclipse. So it counts. If we're going to fight, I'll put my shirt back on and we can all fight about the eclipse.
We're going to fight.
We're going to fight.
Okay.
Yeah.
Are we really going to say that wasn't a pop culture?
Now, Roy Moore, I get it.
That wasn't pop culture.
That was just me like grasping at straws.
Wait, you picked Roy Moore?
Shut up, Sean.
We're not talking about that.
This is Allison's third appearance.
We're talking about my other shitty pick.
That's far worse than the eclipse.
The eclipse was popular culture.
I mean, right?
Loyal and crazy.
It's not.
It's a science story.
I don't know.
It was like a pop culture vibe, though, I got from it.
I'm still, it's not happening, huh?
I mean, it was popular.
I don't know if it was culture.
I mean, you're more confident, and I still am buckling.
I don't know what to say.
We would have to go to the culture experts, Migos, for that.
And they're not available right now.
And Cardi B's baby.
And Cardi B's baby.
Culture, yeah.
Once culture's old enough to talk, we'll ask her if the eclipse counts.
Why are we gendering her, though?
Oh, good call.
Very fair point.
This is the perspective we need as a father.
Yeah, as a father, as a woke dad.
Woke dad.
Woke dad 2018.
God.
Yeah, it's the only time I'll get to do that this year.
Yeah.
I hated it, so I'm glad I'm going to retire it right now.
This is the one time you're going to be more woke than everyone else in the room, so enjoy that.
I'm really upset.
But go true with a gay.
I love them. R.I. True or the Gay. I love them.
R.I.P.
Very good.
I love that, too.
Allison, do you have anything?
What do you want to direct people?
As you mentioned,
I work for a fine website
called The Ringer.
You can find all my writing there.
It's the end of the year,
so that means end of year content.
So you can read my top 10 list.
You can read my really long think piece about what it all means.
And that's basically, oh, wait, actually, I interviewed Samin Nosrat, who is like the best human being ever.
From Salt.
Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat.
Yeah, Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat.
We just talked about food for an hour.
Oh, I love that show.
That's awesome.
She's so likable.
She is wonderful.
How many languages does she speak?
Because she's like in Italy speaking fluent Italian,
then she's in Mexico speaking Spanish.
It's incredible to see someone that comfortable in every situation.
Oh, and we found out that we went to the same high school
and she grew up a 13-minute walk from me.
Whoa, cool.
Would you consider her like the yin to David Chang's yang?
Absolutely.
Yeah, because she's so much positivity. David Chang's yang. Absolutely. Yeah, because she's so much positivity.
David Chang is darkness.
Wow.
Hot take.
Harsh take on David Chang.
Woke dad over here.
He's got it.
He got it all figured out.
Yeah.
He seems to be woke dad David Chang.
Yeah.
Is his wife pregnant?
Yeah, they're going to have a kid.
Oh, got to get him on this pod.
I'm Ian Carmel, at Ian Carmel on Twitter. Therean carmel on instagram jay date at keegan carmel on jay date jay swipe
actually none of those now off the market but at ian carmel definitely on jewish zillow yeah yeah
i'll tell you isn't jewish zillow just zillow it's zillow yeah i'm being carmel
i can say that I'm Jewish.
By the way, that would-
In before the comments.
Just creating an app, like putting no work into it, but just making like Jewish Zillow,
people would download it.
People would download it.
I would be equally popular among like nosy Jewish people and the alt-right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they're like your two demos.
It does the doxing for you.
What do I got coming up?
Yeah, so we sold out in Portland in March.
We sold out the two live podcasts at the Doug Firth.
Thank you for buying tickets to that.
Thank you so much.
If you didn't get tickets, I'm sorry.
Maybe we can add it.
We'll look into it.
Add another show.
We probably can.
Gnarly.
All the real estate in portland is booked up what we did
add on the night of the 8th another stand-up show so uh we sold out the first one at revolution hall
we're doing another one because there was so much demand for the tickets so jump online like it's
on my twitter or go to revolution hall's website i'll be there doing my new hour i'm gonna have
new stuff i'm none of it's written yet john will be there doing my new hour. I'm going to have new stuff.
None of it's written yet.
Sean will be there with some new stuff.
David will be there.
It's going to be
really, really fun.
Cop your tickets.
It's going to be
an amazing weekend.
And also you're going
to be in Madison
in January, right?
Oh shit, yeah.
And I'm going to be
in Madison, Wisconsin
January 3rd, 4th, and 5th
at Comedy on State.
So come see that too.
Me and my model.
Can I make a prediction
for 2019?
No, not yet.
No? Of course not. I just gonna say say it the next time all fantasy everything goes to portland
yeah you guys gonna be doing it where the trailblazers play what the modus yeah wow right
right at half court line yep and i'm gonna be there i'm booking myself now
the acoustics are going to be awful.
It wouldn't be my first time on a basketball court as I did do a halftime show when I was
in Taekwondo when I was 10 at the Sioux Falls Sky Force halftime show.
Sure.
I wouldn't be that nervous.
Oh, wait.
Taekwondo?
Taekwondo.
Taekwondo.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Black belt.
Second degree playboy.
Holy shit.
It's his discipline.
Watch your back.
That's why you're wearing a black belt right now.
And he also got a pink shirt. He also got a pink shirt.
He also got a pink shirt.
I'm marginally less confident in fighting you about
eclipses.
You should see him with nunchucks.
That's the one skill I held on
to was nunchucks. You were at the New Year's
party last year, right? Didn't you bust him out of
the New Year's party? I did. Yeah, she was
shocked. I came out with a straight face
and just started nunchucking.
Well, we'll see.
We'll see.
Cop those.
If you're in the Midwest,
come see me at Comedy Downstate.
Please do.
If you're in Portland
and either you want to see two shows
or you haven't gotten tickets yet,
cop those tickets
to the second Revolution Hall show
because it's six.
It's a little bit of a happy hour show.
Yeah.
We've got some happy hour surprises
for you.
So without further ado,
let's get to the podcast. We are here doing our 2018 pop culture all fantasy everything fantasy
draft uh it's our third installment of it i'm very excited to get to it we have you're probably
my two favorite pop culture people to talk to yeah and then sean's here too you must talk to
so many pop culture people what an honor i do i'm. That's my line of work. I don't know why Marissa laughs so hard about it.
I obsess over it.
I thought you were going to say,
I am it.
Oh, no, no.
I am culture.
Who do you think I am?
1981 Freddie Mercury?
Wow.
I'm nervous.
I don't get nervous for any of these.
I'm nervous for this one.
You should be nervous.
You played the closest last year.
Yeah, because he has a list
of pedophiles and fires.
I got my face ripped off last year.
Who's this year's Roy Moore?
Is he just trying to re-inherit the pedophile of the country title again?
There was a Disney dad who just got fired from a show he was on last night, according to Deadline, for being a pedophile.
Look who's up on pop culture.
Breaking Deadline news.
I know all about the cast of Andy Mack on Disney.
The way we determine the order of the draft
is through a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors.
Play between the three of you.
And we throw and shoot.
Here we go.
Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
Oh, Sean wins.
Whoa.
Decisive.
This is the first time I've lost.
Oh, yeah, that's right. I had a streak. Fuck. Shit. Well, This is the first time I've lost. Oh yeah, that's right.
I had a streak. Fuck.
Shit. Well, the other Sean ended it.
At least it was by another Sean's hand.
Yeah, yeah. What do you do?
I'll Sean everything.
I'll Sean to see everything? Sure.
I'll Sean to see everything.
I'll Sean to go to high school with.
Sean, it's incumbent upon you as the winner
to determine the order of the draft. Before you do,
I will remind you it's a serpentine draft.
It is.
Now, what exactly is it?
I'll answer my own question.
I'll tell you this.
Normally, David asks that, but David's not here.
So for everybody wondering, a serpentine, it's like, let's say you're at a vegan dinner party.
And you get a plate of kale.
You get a plate of sprouts, right?
So you take a bite of the kale.
It's pretty good. But I wonder how those sprouts are. So you take a plate of kale. You get a plate of sprouts, right? So you take a bite of the kale. It's pretty good.
But I wonder how those sprouts are.
So you take a bite of the sprouts.
You're like, I don't know if I like, maybe the kale is better.
But before you go back to the kale, you take another bite of the sprouts.
And you're like, I kind of want to get down on the kale again because I don't know what that dressing was.
So you go to the kale.
Like, is that vegan dressing?
Were there just two dishes at the same time?
Yeah, he's trying to be done, but he keeps saying.
Basically what it means, if you pick fourth in the first round, you pick first in the second round.
Every time you add more details or lack thereof, it sounds worse and worse than the dinner party.
There were three dishes, and Miel wouldn't tell me what the third one was.
It was good, but I was like, what is this?
She goes, just eat it.
Mung bean.
It was good.
And then her dessert was off the chains.
It was like this.
An on-fire apple.
It was good.
And then her dessert was off the chains.
It was like this.
An on-fire apple.
Sean, what will the order of the draft be?
I'm going to go first.
All right, Sean. And then we're going to go Sean, Allison, Ian.
Sean, Sean, Allison, Ian.
Got the hot corner again.
I know you like the hot corner.
I try to do what I can.
Sean, with the first pick in the All Fantasy Everything Pop Culture 2018 draft.
Sure. We'll find out your pick right after this short break.
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All right, Sean Jordan,
it's time for your first pick.
You're on the clock.
I'm going to pick
the eclipse from 2017.
You motherfucker.
No, I'm not.
I just watched it
the other night.
I'm going to pick
A Star is Born.
Wow.
That was going to be
my first pick.
I mean, I might have been my first pick i mean i might it might
have been my first that's why i had to go first because i so are we obligated to have a group
sing along to shallow is that what's about to happen just the whole part or what wait am i
going to be the grinch about a star is born fuck you dude you didn't like it? The cinematic event of the year. Am I going to be the Illuminations' The Grinch?
Is the...
I liked A Star is Born.
Is Lady Gaga the greatest actress of all time?
Yes.
You love Lady Gaga.
However...
Why are you pointing a gun at me right now?
Everyone's got their guns turned on you.
Because it's like Tombstone in here.
You know how I feel about Bradley Cooper.
Cradley Bruple.
Cradley Bruple.
Fuck Bradley Cooper. It's Jackson Maine who matters. Cradley Bruple. Crandley Bruple. Fuck Bradley Cooper.
It's Jackson Maine who matters.
Crandley Bruple.
I don't agree on this.
I saw it in New Orleans with a group of women.
Oh.
Only way to see it.
Woke to that.
It was my wife and then just a bunch of people we didn't know in a theater in New Orleans.
Everyone was crying and I started laughing.
You second lined your way out of there.
Of course.
But I was laughing when he pissed his pants at the Grammy.
I mean, that was kind of funny.
I thought it was funny.
And he kept going, Bip, did you win?
Bip, Bip, did you win?
I'm like, oh, this is a secret comedy.
So a lot of that stuff hit real home with my dad.
Because my dad was like a crazy alcoholic
like that kind of shit i know you feel like a prick sean o'connor no no no stop stop not at all
but my dick's gonna be uh making amends well when so and i've told this before but my dad one time
tried to pull out an inflated catheter when he when it was like inside so when he peed his pants
i just kept thinking about i know i'm sorry it's it is gnarly but uh when he did that did that, I had to get up and I walked around the living room because I was just like, holy buckets.
But it's one of those movies where it's supposed to make you feel something.
And I like that I felt that.
I felt something about that movie.
Also, we have to talk about the trailer, right?
Oh, so good.
But the trailer was so good because it looked so bad.
I thought the movie was going to be this like,
I'm kind of with you on that,
But hey,
I just wanted to take another look at you meme.
It's just so ridiculous.
That was actually going to be my number one pick.
I wasn't going to pick the movie.
I was going to pick the meme.
Well,
I mean,
I saw it opening night at the Grove in a theater that I'm pretty sure was like 97% women and gay men.
Sure.
And,
um,
first of all, like the title card came up and gay men. Sure. And, um, first of all,
like the title card came up like that totally silent.
And then someone had the flash on their camera on and the sound.
And they just took a picture of the title.
Hell yeah.
Such an extreme version of people who record a conference.
Like who's ever going to see this?
But everyone else was completely silent.
And then we just heard this.
Oh, I'm sorry, Marcia.
You didn't believe me?
I wasn't a star is born.
Here's the fucking picture.
I'll tell you that.
But then I just need to take another look at you happen.
And the entire theater broke out in rapturous applause because we were all there for that moment.
I love that fucking line.
But the trailer, I thought, just looked like i was very excited to see it but it was a very like ironic i was kind of expecting
a good bad movie which the process that this most closely resembled for me was like i don't know if
you guys remember the young pope oh yeah but the young pope trailer looked terrible and then the
young pope is legitimately amazing and it was a year, right? I think it was probably
me. It was my number one show
of last year. I loved it so much. But it was
a similar like, oh, this is gonna be so
shitty, and then it just blows you over
with the... We can't trust a trailer.
I've never trusted a trailer.
I liked the trailer. I liked the trailer too.
I was very excited for it.
Something you need to know, I am a Gaga
stan. He's Google for Gaga. She is amazing I was very excited for it something you need to know I am a Gaga stan
she is amazing
I love her I've seen her in Costner three times
she was a dick to me in New York
what was that last part
she was a dick to me in New York
she ran the burlesque show
right after my stand up show
at FIFA
so you knew Stephanie
she was Gaga at the time because it was lady starlight's review and gaga was like her second
her right hand gal and okay and yeah but she how long ago was that 2007 2008 no yeah it's really
cool i've loved her since then i had such a crush on her because she was like a cool burlesque girl.
And now she's like a fucking star. Even with that hideous nose.
That essentially touches.
And it's like, I'm going to be thinking about that nose for a long time.
I didn't know this. I guess that happened to her.
I didn't know that, right? You were telling me.
She was told that she wasn't
attractive conventionally or something.
Which is astonishing
by the way
this A Star Is Born
is so much better
than the
Barbra Streisand
Chris Christopherson
I've never seen
any of the other ones
for content purposes
I actually had like
a sneaky soft spot
for the Barbra Streisand one
even though
she is the white woman
in a trio
called the Oreos
with two unnamed
black women
as her place
is that the 70s one?
It's pretty dark.
With Chris Christopherson.
It is like, it does try to make her more of like an independent, assertive person.
And like, if anything, this A Star Is Born is kind of a step back in terms of that.
Really?
Well, I don't know.
What about the time where Alec Baldwin says, ladies and gentlemen, Ali. Well, i don't know i thought it was really baldwin says ladies and gentlemen
well i don't know we should talk about the whole like poptimism thing probably like the way it
presents her like sudden transformation into like 2007 kesha yeah to me like not only didn't make
sense within the movie but also just like if you look at like the current pop landscape it's full
of people like taylor swift who came up as like within country rock,
who wrote their own songs.
And it doesn't make any sense
that someone would like discover Ally
as someone who writes her own songs in country rock
and then be like, you should be Kesha.
That's what I envision.
That was the one beef.
If I had to pick a beef,
that was the one thing that I had.
I was like, I don't know if she would do that.
Oh, sorry, go ahead, Sean.
Oh, no, no.
What you were going to say is very important. I know that. So you can say it. I don't think it is. I was like I don't know if she would do all that. Oh sorry go ahead Sean. Oh no no what you were going to say is very important
I know that so you can say it. I don't think it is
I was just going to say
I think my problems with the
movie were
Bradley Cooper sounded too much like my friend
Dan. And Sam Elliott
who literally is like you stole my voice
in the movie.
It just sounded like a northeast
guy doing a southern accent.
Arizona, apparently.
And then the British manager
is such a piece of shit
who doesn't get his comeuppance.
That's just bad storytelling.
I've got on socks, mate.
They're sort of tucked down in there.
He should at least step on a rake at some point.
At least!
Just like a picture of him, a shot of him driving, and know at least like oh just like a picture
of him
like a shot of him
driving and then
it's like
oh what's that over there
and then you just
hear an explosion
the man needed to die
they feel like
Poochie flew into the sun
for him
oh my god
he went back
to his home planet
I love the movie
my beefs for the
optimism thing
and the fact that
it was never clear
where anything was happening at any point in time which which I actually thought was really interesting because there are certain earlier Star Is Born's where literally the opening credits is just a giant shot of Hollywood at night.
Yeah.
And this was a little more like-
It took me forever to figure out it was LA.
Well, because they mentioned a motorcycle ride to Arizona.
They're at the Virgil, one of those scenes.
That's pretty cool.
That was cool.
I got it.
Virgil's where-
With Shangela. We've all been. It's in LA, but they do stand-up shows for everyone listening. They do stand-up shows, so it's fun to Arizona. They're at the Virgil one of those scenes. That's pretty cool. That was cool. I got it. Virgil's where we've all been.
It's in L.A.
but they do stand up shows
for everyone listening.
They do stand up shows
so it's fun to see.
We're hot tubbers.
Yeah.
Now was she supposed to
was Ali
living in like Covina
because like he was doing
like stagecoach.
It looked like downtown L.A.
And yeah
it was either Coachella
or stagecoach.
The actual house
was in Echo Park
but I think it was supposed
to be either like the San Fernando or the San Gabriel Valley.
The point being there were like hundreds of replies long, very contentious Twitter threads like dedicated to dissecting it.
There was no conclusion.
But the point is the movie leaves it very unclear.
And there's a lot of room for debate.
That's fine with me.
Yeah, it wasn't even like a beef.
It was just like a fun thing to joke about because everyone saw
that movie and so you
could actually talk
about it with everyone
you knew, which was
awesome.
I didn't.
It's one of those.
I didn't see it until
like three nights ago
and I was so excited
that we because I think
we're going to try to
record this last week
this this episode and
I was just like,
God damn it.
I want to pick that
but I can't pick it
without seeing it.
And then Ian got
the screeners.
That would have
been like when you
took weed.
Oh, fuck that.
When you did a weed.
I had weed when you were fucking six, dude.
Talk about this.
I was fucking, that's different.
David, you can fucking take a long walk up a short pier
for griping at me about that one.
But this, I was like, I can't pick it
and then not know what I'm talking about.
So I was really excited that we delayed this
and I got to see it.
It was so good.
Shallows is a great song.
Amazing. It's incredible.
Like all the songs are good except for the
SNL song that she sings.
What do you do with that butt? The ass song?
Yeah. There's that and hair,
body, face. I actually like her pop songs.
It was like the last ballad where she's like
I'm Allie Mayne that I was
not into. I was bawling at the end. Well, I wasn't
because Zach was sitting right next to me. I was internally
bawling. I was bawling at the footage they show while she's singing it,
like the way they cut to her and him at the piano.
But the actual song was not great.
But here's the thing.
With the pop songs, she released this song that she debuted at Coachella,
I think last year, called The Cure, which is a fucking banger and a half.
And it's a pop song, and
it's never been released on an album.
Just put that as the pop song.
Right, why not? It's such a banger.
You would sell more copies of the soundtrack.
Well, it's just very unclear to me
how the movie thinks we're supposed
to feel about it, and I think because
we don't see her
thought process behind the change, and we
only see it through his eyes.
I think we're supposed to judge her and be like,
this music sucks and you're portraying her identity.
I think we are, yeah.
Which is not awesome.
It's like, you need that guy.
To tell you what to do.
The closest parallel I could see was,
remember when Jewel was like, she did that one whole album
that was like folksy kind of song?
Or like Nelly Furtado going to like,
oh my God,
what's the man eater?
With Timbaland.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Going from like,
I'm like a bird
and then being like,
promiscuous.
Is your game MPP
like Steve Nash?
Yeah.
Which is a good,
wow,
I can't believe
you can quote Nelly Furtado.
Game MPP
like Steve Nash.
I respect everything
from Toronto.
All right.
Shout out to the super producer, Marissa.
I overstepped it when I said I was going to be a Grinch because I gave it three stars on Letterboxd.
But I wanted to just be a foil and now I feel like a jerk.
Well, it's time for your next pick to grow three sizes.
Okay, here we go.
And like the Grinch, I'm about to eat crow.
My pick, first pick, is I'm going to pick Succession.
Yes!
Oh, I'm so excited to fight about this with all of you.
I love Succession.
It's so good, dude.
It is the best show on TV since Halt and Catch Fire.
It's so fucking good.
Okay, we can bond over Halt and Catch Fire.
At the risk of being fired
from the internet's foremost Succession fan site.
Dog.
The river loves Succession.
I really was dragging my feet.
I do think it got a lot better by the end,
but I think there are a lot of undeniable,
very significant flaws
with especially the first half of the season.
The first episode was real tricky.
I remember thinking that this is going to gonna suck but i loved it after i yeah i agree i kind
of hated the first episode yeah it was bad but that kieran culkin moment on the baseball field
made me feel such disgust for a character i'm like this show is making me feel something yeah so i have to keep
going yeah to me and this is still honestly my problem with the show like first of all i'm just
gonna do a preemptive like fuck off to everyone who's gonna come at me and be like actually it's
a comedy because here's the thing comedy is a genre that runs on timing and efficiency which
means if every single one of your episodes is 65 goddamn minutes long, you have no excuse.
Like, the one-liners are really good.
And a lot of the comedic scenarios it comes up with are super funny.
But they're, like, floating in this soup of just distended.
Yeah.
Like, I feel like if you're trying to be, like, all these rich people are so excessive and they don't, like, check their own excesses.
Like, you counter that by yourself being a very tight
and incisive indictment of these people and like it should just be a half hour show that's just my
it should be a half hour i think every show should be a half hour show agreed yeah i think every
movie should be an hour and a half and every tv show should be a half hour however if there was
20 episodes of succession it would still be my number one pick.
Give me the hours.
That's your freaking rock.
Give me the hours.
I think season two is going to be really good because the way they wrapped up season one was basically like we've clarified all the character dynamics, which was another one of my beefs.
It was very unclear what certain people's basic personality traits or relationships were to one another until literally three quarters of the way through the season.
It takes a while, but it's fun.
I like watching everyone
come to them.
It establishes all of that.
I think it like
by the end
has successfully
given me to like
quote unquote care
in the sense of having
emotional investment in people
and they tie off
all the plots
so I think now
they can just like
start wherever they want
and add a bunch of new stuff.
But that hostile
takeover episode
was like an hour
of tension.
Yeah.
It was fucking great.
When they go to New Mexico too, that's like a good one.
Yeah, for me, the turning point was also like, there's no suspense to the plot of like, oh, is Kendall or Logan going to take over?
Because if Kendall deposes Logan, there's no show.
So they drag that out for six episodes.
But the way they like, first of all, the fact that they resolve it is good.
And then like the way they resolve it is amazing.
So like once that happened, I was like, okay, like that scene is amazing.
The therapy episode is where, again, they clarify all the family dynamics.
Yeah.
For once.
That's the New Mexico episode.
And the bachelor party episode.
And the bachelor party.
Kendall falls off the wagon.
Yeah, it's one of those guys who love wolves.
Oh, they're all doing meth and shit.
Yeah.
What are we doing?
Crank?
Yeah.
I love Kendall just like, give it to me.
Fuck it.
I've been around the block.
Let me have it.
Oh my God.
So good.
And I mean, Tom and Greg the motherfucking egg.
Yeah.
I love them so much.
Like Tom is-
Greg the motherfucking egg.
Tom is a character that I want to see on television.
Tom Shib's husband, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Tom is also like the earliest glimpse of promise for that show for me because like
my whole complaint was that like it made such a convincing case against its main characters,
but it goes a step too far when it's like, and they're like uninteresting idiots and
there's nothing to know about them.
And it's like, well, okay, then why am I watching for 10 hours?
And he's this like weird, like, what is up with this dude?
And it's very specific.
He's the funniest, easily the funniest part of the show, I i love all of his lines yeah oh yeah yeah yeah i mean all the
yeah him and him and greg i think are just so perfect cajun chicken linguine just the way i
like it hell yeah i was trying to find we like i remember watching the first episode and then
dming with you about it.
Like,
why is everyone going crazy about this show?
Cause you were like the only other person who seemed like they weren't sold
on it.
Well,
it's really interesting because like,
even now,
like I know many TV critics who it was their number one show of the year.
And I know some TV critics who were like,
I hated this so fucking much that I didn't finish the season.
Like,
it's a really interesting,
I probably wouldn't have finished the season if
everyone I work with were not
walking the streets of Los Angeles with a megaphone
preaching the gospel of
this show. I stuck with it by the end.
I loved it. I did. But after those
first three episodes, I was like
I felt like I was like, I'm not taking crazy
pills. Why does everyone love this show?
It's interesting to see what the certain
writing mistakes it made,
like structurally.
Yeah.
Like taking Logan off the board,
and immediately having them like,
have a giant family tension fight in the hospital,
when you don't know who any of these people are,
or what they want.
That was a mistake,
and I watched the first two episodes,
and I was like,
I don't think I'm going to continue this,
and I took like,
three weeks off,
and then I just went back,
and I was like,
that break was so necessary.
Because doing an episode two as a bottle episode is a big swing.
Yeah.
Like so you got to kind of respect.
Also like Peep Show is one of my favorite shows of all time.
It's just like you eventually learn, for example, like Shiv, the daughter.
Her whole thing is that she's trying to separate herself from a family by having a separate political career.
But she doesn't actually want to make the definitive break.
So there's this like weird psychological conflict with her.
But then like before you can see her like really care about not being a part of the family and who she is as an independent person, it's like, oh, let's trap her in a hospital room with everyone.
So you don't really understand who she is outside of that.
Here's something.
But it's also really cool to watch a show like get better.
Of course.
Well, Ian and Zach are real quick with the trigger finger.
And so they'll just make quick decisions when we're all chilling, like what to watch.
And Ian threw on Succession.
He's like, that sucked, right?
And we're all like, yeah, kind of.
That was just a side note.
Is Kieran Culkin's name Romulan or Romulus in the fucking show?
It's Roman, right?
It's Roman.
I swear to God, he calls him Romulus one day.
Yeah, but that's not his name.
Romulus and Remus
were the two
were they wolves?
Like who founded Rome?
This is Final Jeopardy
the other day.
It was.
I can't believe
I didn't get it.
It's the two babies
who were raised by wolves.
Raised by wolves.
But his name in the show
is Roman.
It's not Romulus right?
Yeah his name is Roman
but the dad like
as a weird nickname
slash demeaning thing.
Called him Romulus.
I was real
when I was like
holy shit
is his name Romulus?
That's a fucking bold move.
I mean,
I love that they have a character
whose full name is Siobhan,
but she's just called Shiv.
I know.
Yeah.
It's fucking great.
The names are good in that show.
It's a big year for like,
divisive TV shows.
By the way,
when you were saying that,
is it,
now,
one of my now worries
about this show
that I just keep telling
how,
people how much I love it.
Is this a white male show only?
Like,
is this like a show that like,
I know a lot of women who like it.
I mean,
I think it's because there are other like bro-ier shows this year for sure.
I think it's very much.
We like them all.
Because it's like,
oh yeah,
we're going to just do like 30 minutes on Ozark later.
I think it's like, oh yeah. We're going to just do like 30 minutes on Ozark later. I guarantee they're going to get it.
I think it's like because it's a show like about the failures and ineptitude of like white men and like some white women.
It's like there's a woke spin on it.
It's not a white dude fandom. Okay, cool.
I just don't want to be like walking into a Halloween party next year and everyone's Kendall and here I am as Roman and I'm like,
ah, I fucked up.
I don't get the show.
I like that show.
The suit wearing show.
There's no one quicker
to pull that card on me.
I have pulled it in defensive.
Is this a good segue?
Can I do my first pick?
That's one of my favorite things,
by the way.
We're talking about TV,
so my first pick
is going to be
the actual best television show
of 2018,
Killing Eve, baby!
Oh, there we go. Yeah. Okay. It's by Phoebe Waller-Bridge, is going to be the actual best television show of 2018. Don't do it. Killing Eve, baby.
Oh, there we go.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's by Phoebe Waller-Bridge,
who you may know from Fleabag and also Dating the Three Billboards Guy, question mark.
Oh, really?
I don't know if that's still happening.
She also created Crashing.
Yes.
Not to be confused with the other Crashing.
But she's a British playwright and TV writer who got known in the States because she wrote this series that she also stars in.
And so most people got to know her as a performer.
But this is a show that she mostly just wrote on.
She's not in it at all.
And it stars Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer as a British MI5 agent who randomly has an American accent that they like only half explain,
and a Russian ex-con international assassin who get locked in this sort of international game of cat and mouse.
And it is just like sexy and smart and fun and intelligent and watchable.
And like I just remember watching it and getting the same feeling when I like first watched
my screeners for Atlanta
where I was like
oh I'm not looking up
for the next like four hours
also the episodes are
it's technically an hour
but it's like a commercially hour
so most episodes
are like 42 minutes long
oh perfect
which is great
it's on Hulu now
you can all watch it
okay I have not seen this
I haven't seen it either
I'm willing
I want to be
I want to be sold
but what you just described
as like this sexy spy,
is it like spy game starring Robert Redford and Brad Pitt?
I have not seen that.
I mean, the thing I really like about it is that, first of all,
it takes like a mostly dude genre and like not only are they women,
but like her boss is like Eve's boss is a woman.
The men on this show are all like
kind of incompetent or marginal for the most part but it doesn't make a huge like point of it it's
just like we're just going to show you a world where like most people who work for mi5 are women
yeah and just take that for granted and then also something i really appreciate is like versus a
british tv show like sherlock or whatever there's definitely homoerotic tones to it but instead of like beating around the bush
and never making it explicit like literally a line in the finale is like I like masturbate
thinking about you all the time.
Masturbate.
It's a tough word there.
Yep.
Tough word but Jodie Comer can really sell it.
It's just like a very explicit like oh yeah like they are actually attracted to one another.
Yeah.
In addition to being like attracted to one another. Yeah. In addition to being, like, pulled towards one another psychologically.
Instead of all these, like, sidelong glances that they usually do in British things.
Yeah, it's not coded at all.
And, like, that's really cool.
And just, like, the way they wage this game is so, like, explicitly about how women relate to one another.
Like, a thing that Villanelle does both to, like, unsettle and, like, pursue Eve is she goes clothes shopping for her.
And she just drops off a case of clothes that all fit her perfectly.
And they all look great.
And, like, one of the best, like, the best scene of the series is basically,
like, Eve is to start alone at her house.
She tries on the dress that Villanelle, like, bought for her.
She's just, like, walking around her house alone.
And then Villanelle, like, breaks into her house. And then Villanelle like breaks into her house.
And then they have like a dinner over a microwave shepherd's pie.
That is like the best 15 minutes of television I have seen this year.
Because it's just like the power dynamic is constantly shifting.
Like Villanelle the assassin is this like psychopath.
So she's totally unpredictable and like can model emotion but doesn't really feel them.
And it's just such an interesting character.
And I don't know.
This show really suckered me in.
I'm sold.
I got two weeks coming up.
I'm sold.
I'm going to watch Killing Eve.
There you go.
Okay, so this is just me talking at you.
Fantastic.
Created by Woke Droid from Solo.
Socialist Droid, specifically.
Rose Emoji Droid.
Yeah, L337.
Yeah, and she's also, like, she's producing a show on HBO that has a similar, I think it's called, like, Run.
And the premise is it's, like, two middle-aged women who are best friends.
And they have this lifelong promise that if one of them texts the other, Run, with no questions asked, they have to drop everything and just, like, hit the road together.
Really?
So, like, this is kind of her theme.
Like if any of you saw Fleabag, it's like women who kind of like self-destruct for reasons that like they don't totally understand.
But like they are on some level unsatisfied.
And so they just kind of like pick at whatever comes their way.
It's really interesting.
It is not like a subject I've seen a lot of people explore that well.
Yeah.
But I would love to see her do something, you know, with like a Miles Teller.
Like representation matters.
Maybe a Timothee Chalamet.
Yeah.
Just kidding.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, Timothee Chalamet.
I'm just messing around.
I'm just kidding.
I wanted to.
I get it.
I feel bad because I didn't realize no one else had seen it.
Don't feel bad.
That's great.
That's amazing.
Sometimes I pick things I haven't seen.
It was originally on BBC America.
And so literally for six months, I've been getting the like, oh, you really like this show.
How do I watch it?
And I have to be like, you have to either buy it on Amazon or like, I don't even know.
But it's finally on streaming.
But see, what was so great is you sold the shit out of that show.
And I know like three people have watched that show.
And they were just like, yeah, man, just obsessed with Killing Eve.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to watch it.
Like if all you're saying is, wow, man, obsessed.
Watched another one.
I mean, when I was staying with our mutual friend Zach Rice when I was in New York,, I literally sat him down on the couch and was like, we need to watch this pilot.
I need to know that you have seen this.
And then he was like, yeah, bro.
I was like, oh, kill a game.
This is sick.
Oh, my God.
We're so tight.
Exactly like that.
Is he Jimmy Fallon?
I think kind of.
He's like, you know, Bay Area Jimmy Fallon.
Tight.
I like it when people do that, too.
When they just sit me down like, hey, you gotta watch this.
We're watching it.
I'm like, all right, I'm in.
I did that with Zeitgeist, too, with you.
Oh, dude, loose change?
Sorry, you tell me the explosion started at the top, all right?
That's how I watched my cousin's murder.
That's a four.
Five seconds of silence.
Yeah, everybody.
That's a four segue.
We all gotta go walk around a little bit
it's time for my
first and second picks
as it is
a serpentine draft
sure sure
with my first pick
I gotta take it
no don't
Red Dead Redemption 2
yeah
okay now this is the thing
that I have no experience of
because I grew up
in a liberal household
where I was not allowed
to play video games
really
yeah
I had a half hour
of screen time a day
that was it
that wouldn't be enough
for Red Dead
that's enough to like get on your horse.
Marissa said I look like one of the dudes with my weird handlebar mustache that I shaved
the other day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Micah a little bit.
Yeah, right?
Hell yeah.
It's so good.
It's so good that I enjoy watching you play it.
Right.
That's all I've done so far because in our house, my wife plays it.
Yeah.
So I just watch her.
Gender reversal.
Gender reversal.
I sit on the couch and she plays it
and the only time I've ever touched the controller
to play anything is in a poker game
because she didn't know the rules.
Wow, I love that.
It is so immersive.
That's what partnership's all about.
Here, babe.
It looks amazing. The attention to detail is astonishing. It's so immersive. That's what partnership's all about. Yeah. Here, babe. It looks amazing.
The attention to detail is astonishing.
It's crazy.
It was worth those 120-hour work weeks they made everyone do.
It really was.
If you're a developer at Rockstar, thank you very much for putting in those 120-hour.
You hit it over the green monster with that one.
You really did.
Somebody had a tweet the other day that sums it up perfectly.
It was like, if this was a movie, it would be terrible.
Because it would just be like nine hours of like doing chores, riding a horse in a circle.
You know what I mean?
And occasionally shooting like former Confederate soldiers.
It is true.
There actually is a movie that's very similar to what I, I think my wife's on like chapter three.
Yeah.
But if you have the chance, see McCabe and Mrs. Miller.
Oh yeah.
Have I seen McCabe and Mrs. Miller?
It's so similar to Red Dead Redemption.
You are talking to the world's number one Warren Beatty,
Stan.
I do not miss.
What is the name of your horse,
Ian?
I got one now called LeSabre.
Oh,
very cool.
Yeah.
I went and tamed this.
I was in the fucking living room when he tamed it.
You gotta go up north to this very heavy snowed in area.
I was in.
Around a lake.
So I'm stalking this rare white Arabian horse that lives up there in the Northlands.
It was so tight.
And I tamed it.
And I considered it a white Buick Le Sabre.
So I named the horse Le Sabre.
Miracle Whip.
Miracle Whip.
Previous horses I named... God, what was the one?
It's from the Unforgivable video, Bovice.
Bovice, yeah, yeah.
Very cool, very cool.
Call it Bovice.
Bovice.
So I've had Bovice and LeSabre.
Those are my two horses.
Somebody asked the other day who's taking care of Chungus.
Chungus from Stardew Valley.
Chungus is hanging in there.
I begged my wife to name the horse Horse the Band the Horse
and she refused.
What'd she name it?
I can't remember now.
Something
something lame.
Like Demanda.
Demanda.
Crephony.
Chrysanthemum.
It's just such
it's just such a fun game.
The storyline
like they do the thing
that Rockstar does
what is the storyline
well
I'll do it
okay alright
yeah
like you don't play story mode
you just do the expanse
I do both
I do the story mode
I go hunting
all the time
you can go fishing
it sounds lame
until you're playing
it sounds meditative
it's so meditative
it does not sound like
something from the company
that brought you
Grand Theft Auto
no I mean one part of it you can just be riding through like beautiful landscapes get off your horse go fishing It's so meditative. It's so meditative. It does not sound like something from the company that brought you Grand Theft Auto. No.
I mean, one part of it, you can just be riding through beautiful landscapes, get off your horse, go fishing, make a fire, cook the fish, and you could do that for two hours.
Yeah.
There's a part where you could just write the next great American novel.
Yeah.
You sit down with a quill and-
I just saw a screenshot on Twitter that was like, there's some point where you have to
beat up a Yale-trained art historian to authenticate a forge something.
I just did it.
I literally just did that.
Really?
Did you feel like Nanette?
I did.
We're going to talk about that later.
I love that you called it Nanette stuff.
I did.
I felt like Nanette.
Yeah, it's just an amazing game.
It's almost too big for me to talk about,
but it is the kind of game where you can play for four hours,
not do any of the mission, and still have so much fun.
And it's so beautiful, and it is very meditative.
Yeah, Red Dead Redemption 2.
For my second pick, I have to take the one thing
that I earnestly enjoyed from uh the wyoming sessions
daytona by push a t okay from kanye's uh wyoming yeah yeah yeah it's my that is the one thing
that's the one thing yeah it's so good i've never heard it it's so good he he kind of pushed me out
of his life this year and he pushed you out of his life no kanye did in a big way he pushed me out of his life this year. He pushed you out of his life? No, Kanye did in a big way.
He pushed me out.
We had this great songwriting partnership, and we just grew apart this year.
He had a weird year.
He's having a weird year today.
He's presently having a whole weird year.
Yeah, this is a dark year in Kanye, but Pusha.
Pusha, though.
Also a wild year for Pusha.
You are hiding a child.
It was the most invigorating.
Gnarly. Like, I whooped
out loud, like, alone in my apartment.
You are hiding a child. I don't even
think it rhymes with anything, right?
He just, like, says it. It's just one of those things, like,
he thought he was done, and he's like, you are hiding a child.
Damn, dude. It is the closest thing we have to, that's why one of those things, like, he thought he was done, and he's like, you were hiding a child. Yeah. Damn, dude.
It is the, it's the closest thing we have to, that's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker.
You know what I mean?
But for, like, 2018, like, you were hiding a child.
We're like, yeah.
Which, by the way, that is progress.
It is progress.
It really is progress.
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
You have a kid that you don't take care of.
That's like.
Yeah, you're a bad father.
Biggie probably had that, too.
You know what I mean?
But, like, he wasn't even beefed that too. There was some great Jaboukie tweet
that was like standard
rap diss, then like Pusha T, you're like
perpetuating the cycle of fatherlessness.
I do love, I didn't even
piece that together. Like the 1990s
were like kind of like the invention of the
anti-hero. So yes, Tupac would
fuck someone's wife. And that was
like proof that he was a man.
Pusha T woke as fuck.
He's like, we need to call this guy out
with his big problem.
Hey, your child support!
I love that!
He named the diss track
The Tale of Adidon, which was going to be Drake's
Adidas line or something like that.
So Drake had to stay. Now he's just stayed
with Nike and didn't do it he really he really
shut and we might i don't want to get too bold but like he shut him down and because it's crazy
because like what are you gonna say they both like succeeded on their own terms like absolutely
won that beef but i wouldn't say drake had a bad year no no no we might get into it more later i'm
sure we will but no i think you had a great year.
But as far as just Pusha T being like, don't fuck with me, man.
Well, that had to be a tough pill to just be like, all right, fine.
I'll just sit back. Speaking of every TV show should be a half hour, every movie should be 90 minutes, every album should be 21 minutes long.
Yes.
Thank God.
That was also the only good thing out of those sessions was the fact that every album was seven tracks yeah so gay was over with if you
know you know is hard as fuck uh comeback baby is hard as fuck infrared the diss track is like
hard as fuck hell yeah yeah it's just like man i push it he's my favorite rapper and this was like
thick i and i always wanted ever since favorite rapper. And this was like thick.
And I always wanted, ever since he joined Good Music, I was like, please let Kanye just produce a whole Pusha album.
And he did.
And it was just fucking great.
I saw him on stage with Kanye at Coachella when he was touring off My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
Really?
Oh, my God.
It was him and the guy from Bon Iver were like the two big guest stars.
Damn.
Like the two opposite ends
of modern music
Justin Vernon
and Pusha T
and a bunch of ballerinas
I'm glad to see Pusha
getting to shine finally
like yeah
I mean he's you know
people have known
about him for years
I'm sure he's not
like missing meals
but like to see him
finally like everyone
knows who Pusha T is
he's a worker
yeah it's sick
well and to see
friends of mine
who have always liked him
like get that validation
was really fun
and they're like
see I've been saying
you know
you're like yeah I get it I get what you've been saying, you know, you're like,
yeah, I get it.
I get what you've been saying.
It was also nice to see someone
and I know we'll talk about
Drake more later,
but like,
Drake is such a like,
he's like vacations
and all these different genres.
Right.
Which is great for music,
but he also like,
it's nice to see someone
like him try to like vacation
and being like tough guy
rapper land
and to have like somebody
actually stand up
and be like,
nah, man. You know what I mean? It it's so it is so interesting though to just see like these two totally different models of like yeah like pusha absolutely won on his own standards and then drake basically just
like removed himself and started and resumed playing his totally different game i'll be a
pop star you know yeah i'll like have a bunch of Degrassi cameos in a music video. Everyone will like me
again. Let me do what I do now.
Is it my turn? It is your
turn. Alright, I sit in a
room with three straight white male comedians.
We're going to talk about Nanette.
Alright, let's do it. I mean, honestly,
it's a good pick.
I honestly picked it less because
I feel really
strongly, like, passionately in favor.
It is just such a, like, it was such a conversation starter.
Everyone I knew was kind of heated about it for, like, five solid months.
It's a pop culture moment as well.
Yeah.
It's really, like.
Of course.
There were so many comedy specials this year.
I think on Netflix alone it was like 3 million. But like she like had a moment that everyone I know was talking about.
Yeah, of course.
It was incredible.
It was also really interesting because I watched the wonderful sitcom Please Like Me also on Hulu.
Please check it out.
But she's just on it as like a supporting character.
And I didn't really know her as like a stand-up or a performer.
And that was a really interesting way to get to know her.
It was just, it was also really fun to just like argue with people about for like a long time.
A hundred percent.
I, here's, I've watched Nanette twice.
Yeah.
I genuinely don't know how I feel about it.
That's good.
That's fair.
I mean, I saw it once and actually didn't really like it.
And then I went to Just for Laughs this year just to like cover it.
And I ended up seeing what
turned out to be like her last ever live
performance of the set and that
was fascinating because it had already
gone live and already gone viral so
everyone there knew what she was about to say
Were they like yelling stuff out?
She had a standing ovation
before she even started and then she was like
oh like this should be a scene just like very
self aware. Take down Van Gogh!
Take down Van Gogh!
It's Picasso.
Van Gogh is the cool one.
He has a mental illness.
We need to understand that.
Picasso was a misogynist.
Oh, sorry.
Right, right, right.
Yes.
Ariana Grande would take down Van Gogh.
Yeah.
It was really interesting to watch.
Everyone knew what she was about to say
which literally like
ruins the effect
because you're supposed
to go in
expecting a stand up set
and then have her
kind of like
confront you
with like
what you're expecting
from a comedian
and then like
not only was that
really fucked up
but then you could see
that like she was
really not happy with it
and it was really
interesting to watch her
try to negotiate that
as she's like
trying to control the room.
Like at the very emotional end, someone in the front row yelled out like, do you want a hug?
And she's like broke for a second and was like, no, like I'm fine.
I would not be able to do this right now if I were not like fine.
Yeah.
Like this is not, this is very like calculated and controlled and like deeply felt.
But like it's very intentional.
Yes.
Like. Yeah. I mean, like it's very intentional. Yes.
Yeah, I mean, Nanette was great.
Maybe it shouldn't have been surprising to me,
but it did surprise me how hard it kicked the hornet's nest.
Like, how mad it made some people.
Well, because truly, here's what I liked about Nanette.
It's the most successful it's the first time
I've ever seen a stand-up special
actually nail what they're trying
to do where it did make
white males feel
like a minority. And I completely
understand why it would
make some white males
in the comedy world feel
insignificant. One of my least
favorite responses to it
was actually from Defenders,
who were sort of like,
why are people so butthurt about this?
Can't you see she's just talking
about her own personal experience?
And I was like, no.
She deliberately framed the show
to be extremely provocative.
There's a reason why she's not being like,
in my personal experience,
comedy hasn't been the best venue
to express my trauma.
No, she comes out and is like, comedy is broken and it sucks.
And like, I'm leaving.
Yeah, no, it's the whole point of the show is to make you feel small.
And mad or uncomfortable.
And that was really interesting to watch.
And like, I think the initial kind of universal praise is almost bad for it because like,
she wants you to argue.
Like, that's the whole point.
And a friend of mine pointed out,
that's also the rhetorical mode of like all of standup.
Like it's funnier to come out and be like absolutist about something.
A hundred percent.
Then it is to be like,
I don't know.
That is like,
that is like Bill Burr's entire thing is going out going like,
we should still like,
there's never a reason to hit a woman.
Yeah.
Right. And you're like, well, when that happens, a reason to hit a woman yeah right and you're like when that happens people are like fuck yeah and then they're like most guys are
shitty and then like they're like i also saw bill bernier said this year where he complained about
like me too psychos destroying careers and i was like oh dude it's the same thing it basically
comedy comedy has become trolling yeah Yeah, it kind of has.
Yeah, it's a big part of it. But it's been for a while.
Not when my good friend Buddy Hackett did it.
So this is stuck, right?
Yeah, I think this was a year with a lot of very fantastically executed, very traditionally done comedy specials.
Like, Mulaney's is incredible.
Ali Wong's is incredible.
But that was such a
like formal break
that I thought
it deserved
and I think it's the only one
that worked
that was
because I think
there's one other
well there was the one
that Gerard directed
where there's no audience
and it's just him
like monologuing
I know both
I know both
people involved
but man
it sucked
it didn't work
but it was an interesting swing but yeah i agree like it was
a swing you swing a man i don't think it was an interesting swing harlan williams filmed a
stand-up special on top of a mesa yeah with no audience and like nobody was like whoa the net
you know look at this you know it was just like a goofy idea and that's what i thought that special
was the drew michael one who i'll think is a funny stand-up comedian but i was like sometimes you should have an
audience but he's also a nightclub comic it's not like he says things that are like important to say
like because no comedian really does no so like he's like going like 9-11 and you're like yeah
man like you should have an audience yeah yeah come on don't just leave that hanging there it was yeah that was i didn't make it through that completely
yeah anyway that's not what we're talking about great guy yeah yeah nanette yeah fantastic good
pick hell yeah thank you guys sean o'connor time for your second pick okay i this is tough because
a lot of the things that i want to pick are still on the board which is good so uh my second pick okay i this is tough because a lot of the things that i want to pick are still on the board which is good so uh my second pick is going to be mitski nice i feel like we had the year of
mitski in a big way i'm so glad that i've been a mitski head for the last three albums and she
fucking did it she had an album and now people really care about her.
People love her, yeah.
This is the best.
Like, either says a lot of good things about me, or it's like the most vicious cell phone
that I could air, but I went to the Mitski show at the Wiltern and ran into, like, literally
every single person I know in Los Angeles.
Like, I am in the Mitski core demographic.
Oh, hell yeah.
And so I've been on since Bury Me in Makeout Creek as well.
Yes, of course.
And this was of course it's
and it's great it's such a good album it's my favorite album of the year uh and what i love
about it is she has brought emo back like i know that there's so many other bands that are doing
what was traditionally known as emo like uh kississippi released an album this year that's
pretty good and modern baseball released an album this year that's pretty good and modern baseball
released an album this year that's pretty good but mitski has elevated emo well she's also like
the figurehead of honestly i had this on my notes app of things to pick but i was gonna just call
it sad girls with guitars yeah but literally like in that spotify rap thing my top five is like
beach house whatever uh but it was like mitski lucacus Phoebe Bridgers and Courtney Barnett
and I was literally
listening to the
Boy Genius EP
on the way over
like that whole genre
had a great year
Courtney Barnett
oh that fucking album
I love so much
and last year
the album she did
with Kurt Vile
I was like
was that this year
and then I couldn't pick it
and that's the thing
like there is this whole genre
you just named five people
and then like
Swearing Reunited this year
and that's
the bad album fucking rocks.
And like Japanese Breakfast Rules.
It's all good.
J-Som.
Yeah, J-Som.
Sasami just signed with like this label.
She rules.
We are living at the best time for female emo because they were completely cut out in the late 90s, early 2000s because boys will be boys and boys with broken hearts will be even worse boys.
And then they become woke dads.
Yeah, and then they become woke dads.
I completely, I apologize for my brand new phase.
I'm all about Mitski.
Album of the year for me.
That's something guys are so good
I will honestly say
this is probably like of the
three albums of hers that I really like
it's probably like my quote unquote least favorite
but like by Mitski standards it's just like
I like the other two slightly
ecstatically more
I think my
Mitski though like Townie is like I think
one of the best songs I've ever heard.
And your best American girl.
Yeah.
It's like,
I tear up just like on reflex.
It's so good.
However,
the first time I heard Nobody,
I listened to it on repeat for two full days.
And like,
I was trying to like break it down.
And what I love about it is it starts to sound like,
uh,
the Cardigan's first album. And so when you're i'm combining mitski and the cardigans oh baby daddy i'm in love
hell yeah mitski mitski uh yeah that oh you don't start not that but the what are the the swedish what is the
oh danish buried like uh
i'm definitely not gonna get there oh goodbye my danish sweetheart i knew it was somebody
from scandinavia i love that song too oh. Oh, yeah. And I also like Our Bodies Are Crushed Little Stars.
One fucking rock.
And Pitchfork gave it Album of the Year, right?
A lot of people gave it Album of the Year.
Because it's Mitski's year.
It's Mitski's world.
We're just living in it.
20 Mitskin.
Yeah, Mitski 2020.
Yeah, Mitski 2020.
Mitski Bando O'Rourke 2020.
Sean Jordan, time for your second and third picks.
Second pick's going to be the reboot of Queer Eye
oh yeah
I was going to take that too
I'm the ringer top 10 list going to plug that once again
I cried dare I say we all cried
every single episode
I'm almost crying right now
the way that it makes you feel and like how
fucking cool they all are
is just I'm serious I'm almost crying
it's just so heartfelt and it makes you feel
so good it is so amazing
it really is it's so good
it's honestly like the best
thing that happened in 2018
well it's also the best like thing
that sounded like a terrible idea
yes it could have been
I heard it and was like what the fuck are they doing
like why are they doing this
it was such a weird concept
like at the time when it was 2006 and like they just they cast it so well and it's it's been crazy
to watch all of them like really uh level up in terms of the spawn con i follow all of them on
instagram i am but i did you guys know this that tan french French's brother was supposed to be part of the group, too?
Oh.
Pale German.
Wait, he's a pale German brother?
Get the fucking...
I'm calling bullshit.
You dickhead.
His name is Tan French.
Pale German was his brother.
Yeah, no, I get it.
Pale Germany.
Pale Germany.
I think Danish. Oh, my God. It. I think Danish.
Isn't it Swedish?
Oh, my God.
It's pale Swedish Danish.
It's the worst joke I have ever almost tweeted.
And then you just dumped it in hour two of a podcast.
In a safe space.
When we drop this episode, will you promote it by telling that joke and then putting a link underneath it?
All right, thank you.
Oh, thank you. Oh my god. I mean, it's been really interesting
for me because one of my favorite
TV shows, like, full stop is RuPaul's
Drag Race. And, like, that is really
interesting because it is, like,
so gay, not just in its
content, but, like, in its style.
Like, it fourth wall breaks all the time.
It's very, like, sarcastic and ironic
and campy and meta and, like, very, like, we don't, spiky, kind of.
And then Queer Eye is sort of, like, we're going to take the most, like, legible, like, feel good.
We're never going to break the fourth wall.
Like, Bobby is going to remodel an entire fucking house every week and we're not going to see any contractors.
I like how Bobby is so cashed because Bobby is the only one that has to do like real work work.
Oh my God.
Bobby's in there sweating.
What the fuck does Karamo do?
Karamo is branding.
He's like rebranding people
who are like truck drivers.
Dude.
Karamo's just like
He has one conversation
with the cop
and then he solves
police brutality.
God, Karamo.
That was upsetting.
That episode was really bad.
That was like
a really interesting one though because you can kind of like see the limits
of their like, oh, like we're all just going to meet in the middle.
Because like that was when they had like the Trump pen signs in the living room.
And they just like instead of having the conversation of like, this is how this makes me feel as
a person who like is gay and knows trans people.
And then they were just like, nope, we're just gonna teach you
how to make avocado toast.
My favorite moment,
when the fireman tried to fucking do
the knee slide with shorts on.
Oh, yeah.
When they were dancing.
It was at the end
and he fucking eats it.
And he just eats shit.
You're like,
what on God's green earth
did you think was gonna happen, dog?
It's one of those shows
where the three of us
are watching it together
while I'll be crying separately.
Yeah.
In the room?
Not like, dude, are you crying? But it's And like, yeah. Not, not, not like,
dude,
are you crying?
But it's just like,
yeah,
I'm crying a little bit.
Well,
it's such an interesting thing about like masculinity.
Like it's explicitly about like,
Oh,
we're going to like teach you how to like respect yourself.
Yeah.
Respect other people.
So when it came out,
there were people like who criticized it by saying,
Oh great.
Like a show where they go help straight white men fix themselves or whatever, even though it's not just white guys and it's not just straight guys.
Right.
But it's really interesting to see like the one episode where they did a woman.
She was like, I'm good.
Just like, please remake my church.
And it was all about her community.
I might as well have been a big tear that whole episode.
It was really beautiful.
But I did think it was sort of like interesting slash telling that she was sort of like i have my shit together help my community and all the men are like please help
me i think the telling thing about like the fact like taking care of yourself as a man it's not
like a skill that a lot of people i have a lot of crazy theories about this including that like a
lot of the problems in our american society can be traced back to men not being taught to love
themselves for who they are.
And, like, the fact that the show even tries to do a little bit of that.
Yeah.
Like, even tries to, like, say, hey, like, it's okay for you to love yourself and to take care of yourself.
And, like, there's nothing wrong with that.
Making a little effort is a good thing.
You don't have to feel ridiculous if you put product in your hair or whatever.
It's fine.
And you don't have to be perfect to be better.
And they do a really good job of, like, specifically taking, like, people's needs and styles.
It's not, like, imposing anything on them.
Yeah.
Like, I actually had some problems with this episode, but, like, the father of six who, like, worked three jobs, they were like, we're going to go to Target and you're going to do your clothes shopping in this part of the store and your food shopping here.
And it's specifically, like, about you being cheap and efficient.
Yeah.
And, like, I think that episode was also kind of a case study in the limitations because it's like these people's problems
are not that they don't take care of themselves
it's that they live under capitalism
of course but
it is a great show for
our current times because it's so
full of empathy which like
doesn't happen anywhere and they're
also so likable like
to the point where like Jonathan Van Ness does
Stand Up if anyone else did that I'd be like gross the point where like Jonathan Van Ness does stand up if anyone else
did that
I'd be like
gross
but I'm like
hell yeah
you're so bad
I can't look away
has anyone seen him
before
I want to see him
so bad
I know that he did
sets around LA
and now he's like
doing a straight up tour
which I would love to see
that's great
that's fantastic
I actually
this might be like
I should try to cover
this for 2019
this is a good story idea
I'm going to put this
in a notes app
one second
Sean time for your third pick
alright
getting my TV shows
out of the way
picking season two of Atlanta
aha
Robin season
yeah
it was
Teddy Perkins
so good
I just
I knew I was gonna pick
two TV shows
so why not do it back to back
but it was just
it was just amazing
every episode
they were all so different
and like when he gets lost in the woods get the fuck out of here that was such a crazy episode I thought it was really it was just amazing every episode they were all so different and like when
he gets lost in the woods get the fuck out of here that was such a crazy episode they managed to like
tell a very complete unified story like i thought it was really interesting that season one was very
like it's just totally separate and the fact that like the finale of season one was almost like fuck
you for expecting this to be a big episode like nothing big is gonna happen and this one was like
no we're gonna tell like a very concise
and complete story
about like Earn
and Al's relationship.
Yeah.
But like we're going to do it
by like having five
random bottle episodes
and Donald Glover
isn't even in half the season.
Like it's really incredible.
Yeah.
I mean,
there's the whole episode,
the piano episode,
just insane.
Yeah.
Teddy Perkins.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Teddy Perkins. yeah yeah Teddy Perkins
yeah
so it's so good
it's crazy
it's scary
introduced me to a Stevie Wonder song
I'd never heard before
I was just
I just loved the whole season
the opening
with the Cat Williams episode
was first right
of the season
yeah
yeah
Alligator Man
Alligator Man
amazing
never saw an episode
you didn't
and I'll never will
oh my god you hate Donald Glover I have a I'll never will oh my god
you hate Donald Glover
I have a
I have a
issue
oh yes
okay
personal issue
with Donald Glover
we can send you
all the episodes
he's not in
that sounds great
there are a bunch
there are many of those
there's a whole
maybe slash back episode
cause I've moved on
so much that you
won't watch his TV show
I saw Solo did you? okay well there you go I didn't see any of Because I've moved on. So much that you won't watch his TV show.
I saw Solo.
Did you?
Okay, well, there you go.
I didn't see any of, I just, I watched the first season of Atlanta this year as well.
Oh, wow. Oh, really?
Yeah, I never saw one again.
Brian Tyree Henry and Lakeith Stanfield are so good.
Tyree Henry's having an incredible year.
He's in Widows and Beale Street, right?
And Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse.
Oh, is he in that?
He's so good in that.
I do love Lakeith Stanfield as well.
I find him so
interesting. You will get
him when you watch the show.
It is such a... He's so good in it.
He's the one that pops. And that's one of the best parts of the show.
It is
theoretically the Donald Glover production,
but Lakeith Stanfield
is going to be a huge star because of it.
Brian Tyree Henry is going to be huge.
Zazie Beetz.
Zazie Beetz.
Yeah, Zazie Beetz.
She's in Deadpool 2.
There's an episode where Michael Vick is street racing people in a strip club parking lot.
Yeah.
It's a good show.
Oh, I should watch it.
Yeah.
But it's hard for me to separate the art from the artist 10 years ago.
That is definitely the most pressing example of that
in the last two years,
is your personal relationship with Donald Glover.
They also do like a Florida Man episode.
It has never occurred to anyone else.
Florida Man.
Great pick, Shani.
Sean O'Connor, tell me your third pick.
Okay, here we go.
You know what?
I'm going to go over to movies.
Yeah.
And this one. Bohemian Rhapsody
oh how I wished
but it turned out to be
dog shit on dog shit toast
I sure find dog shit toast
my pick is
The Favorite
best movie of the year
oh I love The Favorite. Yes! Best movie of the year.
Oh, I love The Favorite. I haven't seen it.
Actually, this is part of my Killing Eve
pitch. It's very similar in appeal
in the sense of you are seeing women
in a world where men are irrelevant
and so women get to occupy the full
spectrum of emotion. They are calculating,
they are sexual, they are grotesque,
they are petty. Yes, can you do
a smart way
of saying
how the favorite
is great
okay
because I
I'm not smart
enough to do it
so
it's by this guy
Yorgos Lanthimos
also the most
insane fucking
part of this
is that he makes
like weird ass
like Greek art movies
and if you
if I had walked
out of the lobster
and someone had been
like that dude's
gonna have like
three best actress nominees in two years I I would be like, what the fuck?
Well, an interesting thing.
This is also his first movie that he didn't write.
Yes.
Which I think is good.
A lot of times his movies are almost incorrectly labeled comedic because he uses Google Translate on his script.
Oh, he does?
Yes.
That's why everyone talks like a robot. That's why everyone talks like a robot.
That's why everyone talks like a robot in The Lost Ark. That's pretty gnarly.
That's so Anne killing of a sacred deer.
He has a very, he uses a lot of
fisheye lenses. It's very directed,
but he didn't write the script, and the script
is about, technically,
it's about the court of Queen Anne in the early
18th century, but basically it's a lesbian love triangle
where Olivia Colman plays
a super mercurial queen.
Yeah, she has gout.
She has every illness.
Like there is literally a scene and she just gets to be like, she is the demanding, petty,
absolute monarch to whom everyone must like cater, to whose whims everyone must cater.
Like there's literally a scene where she stuffs her face with cake, stops to vomit, and then
immediately starts eating cake again.
It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
Really?
I laughed from beginning to end.
Rachel Wise plays her right-hand woman, who you find out pretty soon into the movie is
also basically her side piece girlfriend.
There's a lot of sex in the movie.
Another thing, like Killing Eve, they don't beat around the bush.
It's like, okay, they're not just close.
But they do beat around the bush.
Oh, they do.
I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it.
There are two straight up fingering scenes in the movie.
Wait, so there's a fingering scene, there's a handjob scene, there's a throwing fruit
at a naked fat guy scene.
Hell yeah.
It's so good.
Oh, I saw the screen grab of that.
She's going to play the queen in The Crown, too, right?
Yeah, in The Crown.
She's going to play her own queen.
Olivia Colman is wonderful.
She used to be on Look Around You.
She's in Fleabag.
Yeah, she's in Fleabag.
She was on Peep Show for many seasons.
Wonderful comedic actress.
But in this, she plays every emotion.
It's one of the best,
she should win Best Actress.
And it's also super interesting
that she gets to do the
fuck you, I'm Daniel Day-Lewis
slash Christian Bale thing
of she gained 35 pounds for the role,
but she's so good in it
that that's not part of the conversation,
unlike the conversation around Vice.
Right, where they're like,
can you believe I'm a lady love?
Yeah, no, she's like,
and she's disgusting at times like where like she
can't like open her eyes and see but it somehow does such a good job of like she is disgusting
and mean and whatever but they it's not making fun of her it's more like the system that makes
this person all powerful exactly yeah no they don't play that for jokes it It's like, that to me was like the most serious side of it.
I'm just going to take this opportunity to shit on Vox Lux,
but like Vox Lux is a movie about a pop star
that is kind of about something similar.
It's like a woman who's like cut off
from all like perspective and sense of normalcy.
But like in Vox Lux,
the script kind of treats her like this like pathetic baby
who even though like literally part of the story
is that she's a survivor of a mass shooting but it's still like oh like look at this like
grotesque like sad addict whatever and it's just so much more contemptuous and with the favorite
like it lets her be an idiot but it's not but she's also like not an idiot because she has one of the most cutting lines I've ever heard of.
I like the way she puts her tongue inside of me.
It is like such a fucking like mic drop.
Dude, I think my finger just broke.
That sounds awful.
It's so good.
And it's also really similar to Phantom Thread.
Yes.
Which was my favorite movie of last year.
My stupid blog.
Because it's just like they never leave the palace.
It's three people who like have this constantly shifting power relationship between the three of them.
Because Emma Stone is this cousin of Rachel Weisz's who shows up and is impoverished and slowly claws her way up the court.
And she lost her title.
She used to be a lady.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, so she starts as a maid and then becomes the favorite by working her way into the Queen's good graces.
Yeah, it's just this game of manipulation, but also a comedy
and also Nicholas Holt. And the costumes.
Nicholas Holt is so good.
Really? Oh my god. We gotta watch it.
I loved it. I think you're talking about
a night tonight. It's so good. That's an excellent pick.
I re-watched Barry Lyndon
as soon as I finished it.
Really wonderful.
Hard agree. Double feature.
Barry Nyland.
Allison, how about your third pick?
Staying in movies.
Cannot believe no one has done this yet.
Very different from the favorite, but I'm going to go with Black Panther.
Black Panther.
Which was this year.
Was on my list.
Which is crazy.
Well, it's on everyone's list.
What is the wildest thing that you can't believe was this year?
Because I've been thinking about it a lot.
For me, it's the Hawaii nuclear thing.
Oh, shit.
For me, it's this. The thing launched it in Hawaii, that was this year.
Because Hawaii had a huge hurricane thing happen after that.
Oh, my God.
God, what?
Black Panther, February.
I am not really a fan of Marvel stuff.
Me neither.
I feel very resentful that I have to go see it.
I fucking hated Infinity War.
I love it.
Give it to me all day.
I liked Infinity War a lot. Oh, so bad. I'm to go see it. I fucking hated Infinity War. I love it. Give it to me all day. I liked Infinity War a lot.
Oh, so did I.
I'm stoked for Avengers 4.
It was like Chinese water torture
scene for that movie.
I hate how forced it all feels
at this point.
I love them.
But like,
Yana Strangehead,
I'm a Dr. Strangehead.
Bennett, you're a Cumberbatch.
Yana Strangehead,
he's Derek of the Faber.
Sean O'Connor,
foremost Cumberbatch.
Yeah, it was just, I find superhero movies at this point are so burdensome and they feel so forced and they're so weighted down by the weight of their own mythology and storytelling.
And this was a 45-minute moving camera fight scene in all of them.
Yeah, and this was like, okay, let's actually build a completely separate world that requires us to do a lot of like fun innovative like production design and art like
all that part of the movie was absolutely incredible and then like the actual story of it
was like i felt things and it has lots of ideas and it's like wrestling with shit like yeah i
cannot believe that a disney finance movie includes the line like bury me at sea with my slave
ancestors because they knew that death was better than bondage yeah that isn't like a multi-billion dollar movie yeah no kugler fucks kugler
kugler rules i love ryan kugler and black panther is amazing the first time i watched it though i
was on a plane oh no and i got drunk and fell asleep and i missed 45 minutes of it so i woke
up and i was like,
I don't get the Black Panther thing.
This movie sucks.
Michael B. Jordan just shows up randomly in the middle.
Michael B. Jordan can show up randomly
to any fucking thing that I'm a part of.
The first time I watched it was on the flight to London.
Me too.
On the Xanax and drunk.
And then the flight back, I was like,
okay, I'll give it another chance.
On the flight back, on a Xanax and drunk.
Yeah.
And I don't know if that shaped my perception of it.
I just don't care.
I think there's like the movie where you go to like the Baldwin Hills AMC.
Like you need to pick like the right movie to go see that.
I've seen it four times and I don't think I like it.
We landed.
I bought it and I've watched it three times.
I really love it.
It's really great.
It was my second favorite superhero movie of this
year. It was the first one, Spider-Man
Into the Spider-Verse. I haven't seen it yet. No,
it was the Avengers Infinity War.
No! That would be fucking brutal. No.
It does fucking rule. You do not get to rip off the leftovers
and get any credit from yours
truly. That was a storyline way
before the leftovers. No, man. The leftovers
invented people disappearing. I don't know.
No one else has.
I just noticed Kirk Cameron in Left Behind.
It was cool.
I mean, like putting Chadwick Boseman's awesome.
Saw him outside of the public house.
Ran into him at Little Dom's once.
Did you really?
When I was interviewing John Mulaney.
Damn.
And was John Hamm there, too?
No, I just made a joke about it.
But we were like two over from the Hamm booth.
The Hamm booth.
Chadwick Boseman, great.
I love him.
Seriously.
It is weird to see him play a not famous person.
Yeah, this is the first time.
It's weird that he's 40.
He's 40?
He's 40?
Yes, he might be like 41.
He's 20 fucking two.
Yeah.
God, it's really disgusting.
But MBJ, love MBJ.
Fucking stoked on him. Michael B. Jordan, all fucking day. I love, see, I like enjoyed him. God, it's really disgusting. But MBJ, love MBJ. Fucking stoked on him.
Michael B. Jordan all fucking day.
I love, see, I like enjoyed him.
I enjoyed Forrest Whitaker.
Yes.
Guys, we got to talk about Letitia Wright
and like all the ladies in this movie.
Oh, they're awesome.
Yeah, even the ongoes are awesome.
Letitia Wright is.
Letitia Wright to me was like the breakout star.
Yeah, of course.
I'd seen her in like some British TV stuff.
Like she's really.
She's in that Black Mirror episode.
Yeah, she's in a really good show called Cucumber Banana that's very niche and on Hulu.
I'm just chilling for Hulu today.
Is that a gay show?
I was going to say...
No, it's about gay shit.
It's literally named after dicks and a hardness scale that a sexologist came up with.
Oh, okay.
So, okay.
I get it.
But she plays a character's sister in a very small role.
And I remember being like, oh, she's great.
And it's really cool that now she's, like, super, super, super fucking famous.
Hell yeah.
Fuck yeah.
Do you want a cucumber or a banana?
Now I can't guess.
You want to be a cuke, right?
Yeah, you want to be a cucumber.
You want to be hard like a cuke.
Yeah, I mean, the softest one is tofu.
Oh, okay.
Because my worry is, like, I'm not the only one who you can peel their penis.
No.
I thought it was special.
My penis is like Venus where it is held together, but technically there's nothing.
You can just go right through it.
It does have a shape.
It does exist.
But it's a gaseous penis.
Gaseous entity.
Black panther.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
We could talk about it more
But we
Oh you know
We do go on
We do go on
Somebody put some
Nickels in us
Time for my third
And fourth pick
For my third pick
I'm taking very specifically
Okay
Well maybe actually
Okay I'll zoom it out
I'm gonna take Scorpion
By Drake too
Oh
There you go
Wow
Drake push it back to back
Whoa
There you go
Yeah
He lost the beef for sure
But like we were saying
But he won the war.
I feel like he lost the battle
but won the war.
That's all he's resting on.
He's Drake sitting back.
Well, look at the war in the sense of like,
I just think they want different things
and it's more like
Pusha cannot impede Drake
from being who he is.
No.
Drake is in this round of world.
Pusha can't do like In My Feelings,
you know?
No.
Pusha can't do,
how am I blanking on it?
Drake is going to be a movie star.
Yes. Nice for what? Drake is going to be a movie star uh yes nice for what drake is gonna be a movie star he's gonna be in romantic comedy i mean he's on a different path push is not
on that path pusha is an amazing rapper and that's just a great this was just like a great pop pop
album with pop songs in it you know huh no i mean it is one of those classic like spotify core like
17 tracks oh yeah you make your own. You make your own Scorpion playlist.
Where you're like, let me take seven of these songs.
I mean, that's every Drake project now.
It's like, he just gives you a sampler platter.
He literally put out a CPP.
He literally put out a playlist before Scorpion.
Oh, wait, was More Life also this year?
Yeah, I think so.
Oh, my God.
That's my...
He's a pop star.
There's nothing wrong with that
also I was
just trying to think
of a way to say
he lost the beef
like a different way
yeah
I came up with it
he's like
he's like a
butcher in a tornado
he lost the beef
he lost the beef
I love the way you
introduced that
I can see the gears
turning on that one
what butcher where
butcher where
really built the hype
but like I mean that God's plan was great non-stop I liked it 8 out of 10 I can see the gears turning on that one. What butcher where? Butcher where? Really built the hype.
But like, I mean, God's Plan was great, nonstop.
I liked 8 out of 10 quite a bit.
Sandra's Rose was good, I thought.
There were some good songs on here. It was probably my favorite Drake album.
Yeah?
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I know there's ones that are more...
Take care to not do it for you?
I don't know.
I'm not a sad boy so much.
Okay.
Yeah.
I like the party songs more. And I like when he pretends to be hard, because I'm like? I don't know. I'm not a sad boy so much. Okay. Yeah. I like the party songs more.
And I like when he pretends to be hard because I'm like, I don't have to believe it.
I will say, when I was in Canada for JFL, the DJ played literally only Drake for an hour.
Can you tell us a weekend song about it or anything?
Maybe.
I think we just didn't notice.
He was like, we only have Canadian rap.
Here comes Snow.
Snow.
So that would make... The In My Feelings video is maybe the thing I've watched the most this
year.
You probably want to say, I want to say a hundred times I've seen that this year.
And that opening is so funny.
So I'm blind as a bat.
I'm blind as a bat.
Yes, ma'am.
No, I know the whole neighborhood heard me.
So you had to have heard me, too.
I want you to leave.
And then at the end with that Shiggy, that Instagram guy, at the end of the video, he's hilarious, too.
It's like one of the funniest things I've seen all year.
Yeah.
It's just the end of that video.
And it can become a phenomenon.
I mean, at the end of that video, again, they show all the people ending with Will Smith.
Well, and in my feelings being this whole meme, I was literally just the other day watching that one that like Will Smith did
where he like flew a drone
up a bridge in Budapest
in Hungary
and was dancing to it.
Yeah,
I mean,
I think Drake is like
the best in the world
at what he does.
Yes,
he is amazing.
Stop being a former child actor
texting child actors,
Drake,
it's weird.
I think he is like
the single most successful
former child actor.
Like there are other
like success stories.
Him or Ron Howard, right?
Ron Howard.
I mean, no, no, no.
Ron Howard directed Solo.
He directed Solo, a Star Wars story.
He got that performance out of Alden Aaron, right?
Ron Howard directed Solo?
Yeah, he rescued it after they fired Lord and Miller.
Now, my question, what is the deal with Drake and Eleven from Stranger Things?
Millie Bobby Brown?
We're just not going to think about that.
I like to think that it's somebody who was a child star being like, hey, I know what it was like to navigate that.
But I'm also terrified.
Here's my Drake theory.
It's a real soft science theory he talks
a lot in songs like it was in uh in that oh fuck what's the one that was like the
james torrell light installation video that was hotline bling uh and then also in it's when we
get to talk in in my feelings he's seems to be obsessed a lot with women growing sexually
since the last time he's had sex with them.
So like when we get to the top and I see that
you've been learning, you know, and
ever since I left the city, you...
Yeah, that whole song is like, how dare you
have sex with other people after we're no longer in a
relationship. He seems to be really obsessed
with like, or not obsessed,
but like there's a lot of lines that tip the hand
where it's like, he wants unexperienced women. Yeah, it's like, I want someone who's hot, but like not someone who's like, or not obsessed, but like there's a lot of lines that tip the hand where it's like, he wants unexperienced
women. Yeah, it's like, I want someone who's
hot, but like not someone who's like quote unquote
ruined. Like there's a lot of bad ideas.
I honestly think there's like nothing
untoward in that relationship. It's just like one more
step in the like, Millie Bobby Brown
definitely does not have the protections
that you want around a child star.
Like I think her parents are definitely
like stage parents. It's a little sad. A little I think her parents are definitely, like, stage parents.
It's a little sad.
A little sad.
A little sad.
Keep your heart, Millie Bobby Brown.
Well, I sure hope it doesn't turn out that Drake is a pedophile.
I hope so, too.
Oh, gosh. I will go on the record.
My second theory is that he is,
and that Sean Jordan's going to pick him next year.
My second idea is
the Roy Moore of Canada.
I think we should have
other people record
R. Kelly songs
so we can still party to them.
Hell yeah.
That's a great idea.
I think we need a remix
and I believe I can fly.
Only ignition.
Oh yeah.
I believe I can fly.
Party over here.
We just have other people
record them.
Okay, so my fourth pick,
Jesus, we need to
speed through these next ones.
Last round's gonna be light.
We'll do,
this is completely, what is the word?
I'm patting myself on the back here, even though I didn't really work on it too much.
Oh, no, man.
I'm taking the Paul McCartney carpool.
That literally was my next pick.
That was my next pick, too.
That was my next pick.
It is the best in the four years we've been doing it, almost four years we've been doing
the Late Late Show.
It is by far the best thing we've ever done.
It's the only thing that's ever made me cry.
I cried. I cried not on a plane.
Not the birth of my child.
It's the only thing that's ever moved me.
We did it on our show.
We filmed it in Liverpool.
It made me cry a couple times.
It was amazing.
It was such a fun way to learn more about Paul McCartney
and to get to see Paul McCartney's personality.
Well, the impact that he's had on the world
is just astonishing.
It's wild.
I keep saying astonishing.
It's crazy.
He definitely had an interesting year.
I don't think the album itself was that great,
but the stuff he did to promote it,
like the GQ profile was really interesting.
The press stuff that he was doing around it.
He was very willing to talk about stories
that he's never revealed before.
And then also, I mean, just hearing him and watching him sing those songs in Liverpool, it was like kind of like it was breathtaking because I have been watching a lot of old movies recently.
Yeah.
And like a lot of the time I'm like, wow, this is like 1955.
They didn't even know about the Beatles yet.
The Beatles really did just dictate everything that happened from like 1964
on. Oh, of course. I mean, also, I don't know if you
this is another thing that happened this year, but the
the Jan Wenner biography
is so interesting because
no one gives less of a fuck
than old, rich rock stars.
And they're all old enough now
that they're just like saying everything.
He was the Rolling Stone publisher.
It's basically just like a biography of the Rolling Stone publisher and It's so great. Yeah, it's basically just like a biography
of the Rolling Stone publisher.
And so like in the process of it,
he just talks to like every famous person
in the 60s and 70s.
And they all shit talk about Jan,
but they also shit talk about everyone else.
Yeah.
It's a good year for-
I ate George Michael's horse.
We were all doing it.
It was before I met Linda.
George Harrison had taken quite a bit of peyote.
Quite a bit.
No homo.
But it was just fucking awesome, man.
It was like, on a personal level,
I was so proud to be associated with it
and to get an associate producer credit on it
and series chumming in.
Wow, we get it.
You work on the way to the late show, Ian.
They gave me a producer credit.
Shout out to Lauren Greenberg.
It was fucking awesome,
but no, it was just like really, really cool
to see, man.
It was fun to see.
And like, I mean,
in an era where we have very little monoculture,
you know, to see McCartney in Liverpool
and like having like all these different generations
of people like almost weeping because they got to like be in a pub with fucking Paul McCartney in Liverpool and having all these different generations of people almost weeping because they got to be in a pub with fucking Paul McCartney.
Yeah, dude.
It was just cool.
It was just good TV.
Also, when we showed it, we did the London shows at that, it's like a church.
It's like a Methodist church.
Yeah, it's a Methodist church.
But it also used to hold League of Nations meetings.
It's right next to, what's that big cathedral? It's right next to Parliament. It's right next to what's that big
cathedral? It's right next to Parliament. It's right next to
Westminster Abbey. Westminster Abbey.
Yeah, and basically it's so
old, they don't have air conditioning.
Yeah, which sucks because we're there
in July.
It was very annoying working in there.
But after it was over,
they go out on
Hey Jude, the na-na.
And the whole room, all these Londoners were singing the na-na part from Hey Jude and just kept doing it for five minutes afterwards.
Like after the first time I'd seen it, not in an edit room.
It was just a real cool moment.
So I'm taking that.
Done.
Allison, time for your fourth pick.
Okay, I'm going to stay in music and I'm gonna do Ariana Grande
hell yeah
so not just her album but just like her whole
thing this year
she had a fucking year
she had a crazy year and it's so insane to me
that like at the same time that she's gone through
like a lot of personal stuff she has also
like managed it so well
in her career she just projects
this like level of health
and stability.
I'm so unneced to see from famous people.
Yes.
Like,
thank you.
Next.
Literally.
Someone was like,
made a joke on Twitter about like someone give me Ariana's therapist number.
And then she quote tweeted it and was like,
this is funny,
but like therapy helped me a lot.
And like all of my fans should consider it if it is within your means.
And I was like,
holy shit.
She's awesome.
It makes me feel really good. The teenagers are like, well, that's why Fox looks missed the mic your means. And I was like, holy shit. She's awesome. It makes me feel really good that teenagers are like in.
Well, that's why Vox Lux missed the mark so much, right?
I mean, like all the female pop stars that we have right now.
Tweeting about like Vox Lux is so,
it's like basically stuck in like a Britney Spears level of pop star.
And like all the major female pop stars we have right now,
I feel like make a very big deal about being like,
I make the decisions.
Like whatever else you think of Taylor Swift,
that is like her big thing.
She's in charge.
I love Taylor Swift.
She is in charge.
Like she's in charge.
Beyonce's in charge.
Lorde is in charge.
Like Lorde got famous at 16 and still managed to be in charge.
Rihanna's in charge of a lot of shit.
Rihanna's in charge of a lot of shit.
I love Rihanna so much.
Right.
Yeah.
Like I think Ariana just had of those,
of all the biggest stars.
First of all, I think she like joined that pantheon this year. But, like, I think Ariana just had, of those, of all the biggest stars, first of all, I
think she, like, joined that pantheon this year.
Yes, no, this was her step.
Like, she made the step to.
Like, now she's Ariana.
Yeah.
She's not just Ariana Grande.
And, like, it is so crazy that she could go through something as, like, you know, breakdown
year contentious as, like, oh, I had, like, a three-month summer fling slash engagement
with, like, a minor SNL player.
Yeah.
like, a three-month summer fling slash engagement with, like, a minor SNL player.
Yeah.
And, like, she somehow managed to, like, that whole time be like, this is, you know, this is me.
Like, please don't think I'm, like, going through anything.
Like, I kind of am, but, like, I'm on it.
It was just really nice.
Yeah.
Be like, I'm fucking 25.
Like, let me, like, have a stupid ill-advised day.
For her to bounce out of, and it is interesting, I mean, to go from, to go from like like a quote failed very public relationship and then have the person she was romantically
linked to before that you know to you know die away pass away and then to like come out of that
and be like still like mentally stable and not like you know getting chased around by tmz and
like succumbing to those pressures and stuff like that. A shooting at her show. A shooting in Manchester?
Yeah.
Oh my God.
She's going back.
Yeah.
She's going to do a big concert there.
Fucking gangster.
I never had an opinion either way
about Ariana Grande.
It's not like I,
you know,
I always enjoyed the music.
I like pop music.
But this year I'm like,
I like her.
She's dope.
And I was never like,
I don't like her.
She manages to come across
like an individual,
level-headed,
like really strong-willed person.
I just got so much respect for her this year.
I'm like genuinely rooting for her.
Yeah, she's killed it.
Yeah, it's really great.
It's been a great year for her and like also a tough year.
But that kind of just makes it even better.
It also makes it killer fucking music.
Yes.
That just means it was her year.
What?
It was her year.
Yeah.
That just means it. Sorry. I What? It was her year. Yeah.
That just means it. Sorry.
I was just doing a.
So much gravity on that one.
Yeah.
I put so much.
I put a little bit of steak on it.
I don't know why we did that.
We already said that like five times.
Everybody.
One thing's for sure.
It is her year.
Damn, son.
Yeah, and the album goes really hard.
And I also cannot believe that Thank U, Next like I'm sure
it was probably
like a pre-existing
song that they
adjusted the lyrics
to but like
the fact that
she presented it
like oh I just
fired this off
like in response
to what I'm feeling
right now
and it is a
gigantic
pop smash
earworm
like I
she's not like
a super
because she's so
R&B
a lot of her songs
aren't like
the most single
slash chorus
sing-along friendly and then she just like turned around and like dumped this which isn't even part of her songs aren't the most single slash chorus sing-along friendly.
And then she just turned around and dumped this, which isn't even part of her album.
And it's dominating.
Wild, right?
Yeah.
This is how big she became this year. I watched this Mickey Mouse's 90th birthday thing on ABC.
And now there are people who are ripping off Ariana Grande
and it was like this
16 year old girl who was doing like that kind of
breathy singing that Ariana Grande
does but she was like having
an orgasm to a
Little Mermaid song and it's like
what are
these feet
like
what
these are really not the thing you want to mention These feet.
Feet is really not the thing you want to mention when you're sounding really sexual.
Feet.
Oh, what are they called?
Feet.
I remember when everyone was like,
oh, she's just like a B-less Mariah.
And no one would accuse her of that now.
Which is fine.
Yeah, I mean, also,
that means her voice is fucking amazing.
Seriously.
We could only compare her to
the woman with the greatest voice of all time.
Also, speaking of former child stars,
someone who has managed that very well.
Okon, start for you with fourth pick.
Okay, fourth pick.
Honestly, it brought me a lot of joy this year
It's the
The running joke in eighth grade
Of someone just going
LeBron James
I just loved it
You know who was having a big year this year?
That meme
It got into a movie
I loved it
And you mentioned earlier
Queer Eye is something
where it's like you're all
sitting next to each other crying.
That happened.
I saw it with my friend
who is like also my age,
also a woman.
And like at that point
where they're around the campfire
and she just says like,
do I make you sad?
Because, oh my God,
I'm literally choking up right now.
Like if I had a kid
who was like me,
like that would make me sad.
And just, you could literally hear
both of us just go like,
and then for like five minutes,
we just had tears like streaming down our faces
and just like weren't looking at each other
because we were both in our like private,
just like sob moments.
You don't want to look at someone when you're crying.
It was really tough.
But yeah, I thought that movie was incredible.
I just wish I was there to see you guys crying so then I could put my head in between your heads and go, LeBron James.
The kid who did the LeBron James also did a DeMarcus Cousins one.
That might be even better.
What?
Yeah.
DeMarcus Cousins.
DeMarcus Cousins.
DeMarcus Cousins.
I didn't know that.
It's so good. I love it. Spoiler alert. DeMarcus Cousins shows DeMarcus Cousins. DeMarcus Cousins. I didn't know that. It's so good.
I love it.
Spoiler alert.
DeMarcus Cousins shows up in the last one.
It was really crazy.
I cannot believe a dude made that movie.
Like it is so, as someone who also like.
I think Bo Burnham.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bo Burnham did an amazing job.
And also like specifically, I obviously like didn't have Snapchat when I was that age,
but I feel like when I was that age, that was when like AIM was a thing.
And then like Facebook became a thing
literally going into ninth grade.
So you are younger than us.
I'm so old.
I'm back to that age.
Yeah, we used to call it AOL Instant Messenger, AIM.
Oh my God.
So different.
You dumb child.
You're a baby.
So different.
But yeah, I remember that feeling of like, oh, we're gonna get really into different. But yeah, like I remember
that feeling of like,
oh,
like we're going to
get really into this.
Our parents don't
understand what it is
so they're not going
to tell us that we
can't do it.
And then also like
we're too young
and too insecure
to like have a handle
on it so it feels
super important.
Like I remember
people going into
school the next day
and like talking
about their AIM
conversations.
Yeah.
And it was like
AIM drama.
First time I hooked up was via an AIM hell yeah you cybered i did well this year you did
set up a uh irl cool what was it i did cool g86 sticky mcjill i did lose my virginity
through an aim conversation like yeah oh wow that's crazy a.m see it was called aim people were fucking
sean jordan tell me your fourth and final picks all right uh imagine we're gonna rip through these
so um i'm gonna pick uh for my fourth pick it was gonna be paul mccartney you shithead i'm kidding
you're my best friend i love you um i'm gonna pick uh travis scott sicko mode man yeah i never
really again never gave a fuck about Travis Scott before
that, and I was like... A lot of people didn't. I remember
David came over to the crib, and he
put it on, and he's like, this dude can
fucking rap. Yeah. And I listened to it, and I was like,
holy fuck, it's this dude can't fucking
rap. Also, his, uh,
those baby blue sneakers he released this
year. Ooh, the Cactus Jacks? Yeah. Yeah, the
Cactus Jacks. He put out some fucking Dove Jordans.
Yeah. Yeah. They are one of my favorite sneakers.
Yeah.
Just that song just knocks.
We put it on at the office Christmas party?
Yeah.
Big time.
Big time.
Every Uber you call between the hours of 6 p.m. and 2 a.m.
Friday and Saturday in Los Angeles.
We'll have to Uber around tonight.
If they're not playing it, I'll tell you who's playing it.
Your boy with their aux cord, you know?
I love how Drake on there, let's go back to Drake.
He's in a hugely popular rap song.
He's mostly just talking about sleeping on a flight.
13 hours till I land, like bragging about taking a long flight.
Oh, that does sound cool.
I also got a sciatic nerve condition from the exact same thing, Greg.
Back problems, Aubrey.
Some of us over here with real life back problems, Graham.
Doctor says I need to bachyotomy.
Pulmonary embolism from not getting up and stretching my legs. I thought that's what I had!
And then it turned out to be a sciatic nerve thing.
And then your fifth pick?
And we'll make this a speed round.
Now this is unfortunate because I haven't
seen it, but I feel like I can pick it anyways.
I'm picking mid-90s. It's crazy
that I haven't seen it. It's crazy
that I haven't seen it. That is crazy that you haven't seen it. We saw a better skateboard thing this year. It's crazy that i haven't seen it it's crazy that i haven't seen it but that is
crazy you haven't seen it it is a better skateboard thing this crazy that i haven't seen i mean no oh
minding the gap yeah that's what i was talking about we did watch it's amazing it is hard to
watch i'm just picking mid 90s because i just know that it's spot on culturally for escape it's the
only good skateboard movie there's ever been gle Gleaming the Cube wasn't actually a good movie.
Grind fucking sucked.
Street Dreams was ridiculous.
And I, again, I haven't seen it, but I just, I know.
You should go ask someone who has seen the movie of which we are talking.
I've heard the language is very problematic, but.
Well, it's more, like, it's this weird thing where it's kind of trying to straddle the line
between being nostalgic and being, and being critical of the culture.
And it's trying to do a good thing.
I just think he's a first-time writer-director.
He just doesn't have that nuance yet.
So I really remember someone saying this in a podcast about that Steve Jobs movie.
But they were saying, I feel like I just watched a really damning case for the prosecution.
And then at the very end, the dude was like,
and the defense rests.
Well,
it's not like skateboarders are,
they're not good people.
All of them,
you know what I mean?
I was a shitty kid just like that.
It's basically telling like a really sad story about like a lost kid who kind of finds some like shitty role models.
And like,
it's very self-aware about like one of them wants to be more professional,
but then like the others are kind of like wasting their time.
There's a lot of like not good family stuff kind of around the edges yeah and it's like weirdly sad in some
ways but then at the very end it literally ends with just like a skate montage that the tone of
which reads very like look at all the fun times we just had oh yeah and it's a little like there's
a great skateboarding movie that came out this year as well called Skate Kitchen about a female skate group. Yeah. Super fun.
It has this awful
family plot line
that fucking takes you out of it.
Well,
Minding the Gap
is incredible
because it's about,
so it's literally about
skateboarding,
like capitalism,
the erosion of the rust belt,
like abuse,
trauma.
It's just,
it wraps up
all these big ideas
just by like following
a few people's lives
and then the filmmaker himself
you find out is like a survivor
of like physical abuse in his home.
It's just, it's incredible.
Definitely recommend it.
Shanzo Kanz, yeah.
Okay, quick, last pick.
The favorite's my second favorite
movie of the year.
My first favorite movie
is a movie called Thunder Road.
Everyone should watch it.
It's fucking incredible.
It's about an hour and a half.
It's just about a cop.
Right, you like them right around an hour and a half.
Right around 90.
It's about a cop whose life is destroyed
based on the eulogy he gives at his mom's funeral.
Really?
Oh, so it's like BoJack Horseman the movie.
I guess so.
It's super funny.
It's truly the only time I've ever seen a character like this.
And the guy who wrote, directed, and starred in it,
it's so charismatic.
It felt like seeing Danny McBride the first time.
Oh, really?
Oh, wow.
It's a character who the whole movie
you're just waiting for him
to fully explode.
And it just builds tension that way.
It's amazing.
Nice.
I've heard good things.
It's just never,
never got around to it.
I haven't seen it.
Yeah, I haven't either.
That's what this round is for.
Hard recommend.
Yeah.
Allison,
do you have your final pick?
All right.
We briefly touched on this earlier, but I'm going to go with Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat.
Hell yeah.
So Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat was a cookbook or like it's kind of a cookbook, but it's mostly like trying to teach you how to cook so you don't need cookbooks.
It's basically just like it's sort of like the food lab and there is a lot of science in it, but it's also very like warm and conversational because she is this like Bay Area guru who trained at Chez Panisse and so it's very like affable and conversational and like
very focused and patient like it just broadcast patience even though it's a book and so the book
became like this huge cult classic among home cooks but then they turned it into a Netflix show
and I feel like there's not like an immediate, you don't quite, like you don't
read the book and are like, I want to see a TV version of this. It's just kind of like, oh,
that's interesting. I'll watch that. And then it turns out, you know, she's also an incredibly
charismatic on-camera presence. Yeah, she's so likable. Which is so rare. Like, I mean,
I work with a few people who fit under this category, but it is insane to me that writing and performing are two totally separate skills.
And it's really crazy that someone happens to have both of them.
But yeah, like she's amazing.
And basically every episode is dedicated to one of the four building blocks.
And then she just goes to a country and like illustrates how the principles of cooking are universal.
And so like you can go to Italy and like the, the main fat there is, like, pork fat.
And, like, you eat gelato.
But you could also –
Or olive oil.
Yeah, and olive oil.
And, like, focaccia.
Like, you could just – but you could just as easily, like, go to France and do it about butter or, like, whatever.
And then, like, the salt episode is in Japan.
And then the heat episode is just her, like, cooking in Berkeley.
And it's a really interesting hybrid of like that Anthony Bourdain style.
I'm just like going to go to cool places around the world.
But then also like that Ina Garten, I'm going to like welcome my friends into my kitchen and like just talk you through as I make things and host a really nice looking dinner party.
And yeah, she's wonderful.
Fantastic.
It's really good.
Netflix nails those food shows.
And that was really good. You're out of breath. What are we talking about? I'm out of breath. You're out of breath. Salt, fat, acid's wonderful. Fantastic. It's really good. Netflix nails those food shows, and that was really good. You're out of breath.
What are we talking about?
I'm out of breath.
You're out of breath.
Salt, fat ass, and heat, baby.
I'm going to make my final pick now, and I'm going to take the Mac Miller Tiny Desk Concert.
Oh, that was this year, huh?
It was this year.
Yeah, it was this summer.
Oh, God.
Before his final album.
It's so good.
Thundercat said that he's got Thundercat like playing bass and then just the
triangle on one of the songs.
It's just like,
if you want to realize who we're missing out on,
cause he had,
you know,
he started out as like YouTube rap and like backpacking.
People had some opinions about him that were just fucking crazy.
Yeah.
I mean,
you can't be wrong with an opinion,
but this guy,
dude,
you should watch the Mac Miller time.
Yeah.
It was weird.
Like I didn't really engage with his work, and then after
he passed, people were sharing stuff, and I was
like, oh, man. He seems
like a great guy. Some of the people in our
comedy community knew him. He was right
there. He was right there.
He was fucking right there.
It's really sad. I'm glad
that I finally got to know his work, but it sucks to
go into that knowing you're not
going to see any more from him.
But yeah, check that out.
It's one of my favorite things this year.
Hell yeah.
So just to recap, Sean Jordan, 2018, you went first.
You took A Star is Born, the Queer Eye reboot, Atlantis, Robin's season, Sicko Mode, and
then Mid-90s.
Strong lineup.
You've got to get around to seeing it.
You've got to get around to seeing it.
I know.
Sean O'Connor, you went Succession, Mitski, The Favorite, LeBron James,
and then Thunder Road.
Allison Herman, you took Killing Eve, Nanette,
Black Panther, Ariana Grande,
and Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat.
I got the order right, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went last.
I took Red Dead Redemption 2, Daytona, Scorpion,
the Paul McCartney carpool,
and the Mac Miller tiny desk.
You got the most grab bag you ever did.
I really did.
I think I might have the least fun one.
Mine is obviously watching things
while my kid goes to sleep.
Sean Jordan and I,
I think you two have the best ones.
Thank you.
But mine is very honest to who I am.
Deeply, deeply. And mine very honest to who I am. Deeply, deeply.
And mine is honest to who I am
which is just a faux intellectual.
Just a piece of shit.
We left some great stuff on the board.
Billions, season two.
Season three.
Gritty, the big cow.
Oh, Gritty's good.
Big cow.
That's pop culture. Minding the Gap was so good. Oh, Gritty's good. The Big Cow. The Big Cow. That's pop culture.
Minding the Gap was so good.
God, we watched that. Won't You Be My Neighbor?
And The Man Who Sold the World in Back to Back.
That's an old skateboard documentary, but there.
Damn, yeah.
Detroiters.
Detroiters, RIP.
The Finesse with Cardi B and Bruno Mars.
Oh, that's a long one.
That song, dude.
I'm trying to think of what else was on our list that I didn't, on my TV list that I didn't mention.
Oh, the good fight on CBS All Access.
No one on earth has seen it, but it is so fucking good.
I heard it's so good.
Oh, I had Twitter meltdowns on my list, but I just didn't take it.
That's good.
We shouldn't talk about Twitter when we're celebrating things.
We want to hear your, yeah, my comedy special on Netflix.
Thank you, Sean.
15 minutes of fire.
We want to hear yours.
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There she goes.
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Clackity.
Yeah, dog. that was a hate gun podcast