All Fantasy Everything - 2018 Pop Culture (w/ Sean O'Connor, Alison Herman, and Sean Jordan)

Episode Date: December 20, 2018

PEOPLE MADE STUFF THIS YEAR, WE'RE DRAFTING IT. THE RECAP IS BACK. With comedians Sean O'Connor, Sean Jordan and the amazing writer who you can read in The Ringer, Alison Herman! Support the ...show!Join the All Fantasy Everything Patreon for exclusive mailbag and movie watch-a-longs episodes. Check it all out at www.patreon.com/AllFantasy.Rate All Fantasy Everything 5-stars on Apple Podcasts.Decide the winner on the All Fantasy Everything Twitter poll @AllFantasyPodMerch!T-Shirts! Sweaters! Stickers! Mugs! Deck yourself out in some goods at www.teepublic.com/user/allfantasyeverythingEpisode Guests:Alison Herman @aherman2006 IG: @aherman2006Sean O'Connor @seanoconnz IG: @seanoconnzFollow the Good Vibes Gang on social media:Ian Karmel @IanKarmel IG: @IanKarmelSean Jordan @SeanSJordan IG: @SeancougarmelonJordanDavid Gborie @Thegissilent IG: @Coolguyjokes87Show Email: allfantasypodcast@gmail.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is a HeadGum Podcast. Welcome to another brand new episode of All Fantasy Everything. The podcast that ate about six packets of Sour Patch Kids downstairs. And is feeling kind of a weird sour buzz off of them. You're juiced. I'm juiced. I'm like a gusher. They have cold Sour Patch Kids now.
Starting point is 00:00:42 What are you talking about? They're called Sour Patch Freeze. And they have Sour Patch Hot, too. What is that? Wait, like they make you feel the sensation of coldness? The Freeze one, it tastes like you have Noxzema in the back of your throat, if that can happen. Oh, okay. So it's kind of like those mints that have the ice crystals. Yeah, I was about to be like, can't you just make mints and gushers?
Starting point is 00:01:01 They would be horrible. Or mint Sour Patch Kids. But the hot ones are like, ooh. Muy caliente. They're like warheads. They have a chili pepper with cute little googly eyes on it. Little Anthony Kiedis's. That's what they are.
Starting point is 00:01:13 So it's basically KY Sensations. Yeah. Yeah. But for Sour Patch Kids. A telling. I got those. I can't imagine going in there for a KY Sensation. No. You're a big KY Sensation guy, right? for a KY sensation. No.
Starting point is 00:01:25 You're a big KY sensation. I mean, yeah, you had to tell everyone. Yeah, I am. What's a KY sensation? I'll take the bait. It's amazing is what it is. We're drafting loops today. It's like lubricants, but they have like sensations.
Starting point is 00:01:39 But so they're like, it's like cold or it's like tingly, freezing, like Arctic blast. I'm not married, so I just masturbate with it but yeah one of these days I'll figure it out man masturbate that's a tough word
Starting point is 00:01:48 it sounds so gross it's gross I I mean it's a gross activity we should all be ashamed it is none of us
Starting point is 00:01:56 none of us all have fun in hell you know as a married man it would be very hard for me to just bring home lube to my wife
Starting point is 00:02:04 and be like we talked about it on a podcast. Now she's going to listen. She's going to find out that she's dry. I stopped at Ralph's, made a big scene. You know, like, where's the goddamn lube at? Right when I walked in the door. Aren't the KY sensations?
Starting point is 00:02:18 I want the Arctic Blast KY sensation. I went to a Duane Reade recently. And for some reason. It's like CVS. Oh, no, wait. It was Walgreens. It went to a Duane Reade recently and for some reason Oh no wait, it was Walgreens. It's not actually Duane Reade. I just am stuck in New York in my head. But I was shopping with my friend and we realized. Was it a Walgreens? Yeah, it was the giant one at Sunset and Vine
Starting point is 00:02:35 that like randomly has a really good smoothie bar in it. Oh really? Yes. Lunch tip if you're ever in the Hollywood area. Sushi, smoothies. Really? Yeah, that Walgreens is the dopest part of LA. It's a flagship, which I did not know Walgreens. I didn't know Walgreens either. Is that right by where What's Up Tiger Lily used to be?
Starting point is 00:02:53 Is that that one? A little bit. By the one Arby's in LA? Yeah, it's in the- Yeah, the Arby's is on the other side of the Ringer offices, and then the Walgreens is there, and then between those two things, we have all our needs.
Starting point is 00:03:04 For everyone else out there there's one Arby's in LA and it fucking there's one it's such a bummer I love Arby's it's a handsome Arby's though that's the only one
Starting point is 00:03:10 it's great great signage and also I've wanted to go to get their new duck they got ducks they got duck at Arby's absolutely not
Starting point is 00:03:19 man you don't know that's like they had a hero promotion like G-Y-R-O and I was like if you're in Los Angeles and getting your heroes from Arby's, you deserve the food poisoning. You can't do that. True, but Duck is different than a hero.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Gyro? Giro? Why do they feel like they buy their meat from contractors or something? Because all of a sudden they'll just have deer. Oh, yeah. No, it's totally mafia going like, yeah, I got eight ducks. And fell off the back of a sudden, they'll just have deer. Oh, yeah. No, it's totally mafia going like, yeah, yeah, I got eight ducks. Fell off the back of a truck. They're going to have cigarette carton sandwiches pretty soon.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Arby's just acquired a duck farm on a hostile takeover. The reason I brought this up was that Walgreens inexplicably, half the lube was in one of those like locked cases so it meant if you wanted to buy lube at the Walgreens you had to call over a sales attendant and be like I would like some lube I want camel's breath KY sensations you really ought to want the lube at that point
Starting point is 00:04:17 there's jokes about it but they hit like you know I went to a 7-Eleven one time in Port I hate buying condoms I'm thrilled that you can buy them now in the self checkout but they had them behind the counter at the 7-Eleven one time in Portland. It was such, I hate buying condoms. I'm thrilled that you can buy them now in the self checkout, but they had them behind the counter at the 7-Eleven. And I went up, I was like, can I get some condoms?
Starting point is 00:04:30 And the guy didn't hear me. And I was like, condoms, said it like three times. By the time I screamed it, there were like 10 people in line. And I'm like, give me the fucking condoms,
Starting point is 00:04:36 dude. I, you know, yeah. You gotta call them Jimmy hats. They should make it easy to get is the point. On the other hand, that is what every woman experiences when buying tampons at a bodega.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So welcome to the female experience. Why do they have them in the back i don't put them in the aisle they're also taxed like luxury items which really makes you that's i'm living the fancy life over here i'm gonna say it right now that's rude you're a great ally thank you so much that is gnarly uh shot that's what anyways that kind of podcast itly That kind of podcast Sean S. Jordan in the studio On Twitter, Sean Cougar Mel Jordan on Instagram Seen a lot of those A lot of those out there What's the latest? Nothing man, just hanging out
Starting point is 00:05:15 Went to a vegan dinner party last night I'm so sorry It was tight I normally put canned chili and things like that in my body So it was kind of, you know. Oh, you got your veggies for the year. Seriously. I bought some vitamins the other day.
Starting point is 00:05:30 I was worried. What were some of the dishes? I think Brussels sprouts and kale. They wouldn't tell me what one was. That actually doesn't sound appealing. They're not doing fascinating things. I had a vegan Big Mac once. Yeah, at least there's some greedy as Brussels sprouts, kale.
Starting point is 00:05:47 I contributed some mac and cheese to a Friendsgiving, and in the most L.A. move of my entire life, I had to label them specifically not the vegan version because there were, I think, multiple vegan mac and cheeses in play at the spotlight. I think it's because I just hang out with construction workers, but really, I've never been invited to a vegan. Well, you're the kind of guy who would eat duck in an RV. Exactly. I think the moment I say that out, they're like, we've lost him. He's a lost cause. Morrissey doesn't hear this.
Starting point is 00:06:16 You will. Yeah, they listen. Morrissey's a big... You said Morrissey? Yeah, Morrissey. Yeah, Morrissey's a big fan. Also Moby, owner of Little Pine, the vegan restaurant in Silver Lake. Moby, Morrissey. All the M celebs. Dwayne Reed actually listens to that.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Marilyn Manson. Wow, Dwayne Reed himself. Michael McDonald. These are the famous vegans. Michael Rappaport. Michael Rappaport. Yeah, I think that's it. I think those are all the vegans.
Starting point is 00:06:41 That's the five vegans. Gwyneth Paltrow invented veganism. Right, and then she backed off. Much like yoga. That was wild. Did think those are all the vegans. That's the five vegans. Gwyneth Paltrow invented veganism. Right. And then she backed off. Much like yoga. That was wild. Did you see that? She like, ugh. She said she invented yoga?
Starting point is 00:06:51 Yeah. Basically, she was like, oh, I went to a yoga studio and the 22-year-old receptionist who was clearly just being polite or like doing what her boss had ordered her to do for every customer was like, have you ever done yoga before? And then she was recounting it and Gwyneth Paltrow was like like, no offense, but the reason you do yoga is because I do yoga, which honestly is not wrong. I would say most white women know of yoga through Gwyneth Paltrow.
Starting point is 00:07:13 From her. And there is part of me, I truly believe this, that I was the first comedian to say butt stuff. And every time I hear someone say it, I want some money. Give me some money. I feel like I was the first person to call Beaverton, Oregon, the Tron.
Starting point is 00:07:30 And now that happens all over Portland. The first person I've ever heard called the Tron. See, everyone creates something, and Gwyneth Paltrow just created yoga for white women. We thought we invented skate, which is horse on a skateboard. When we, you know, in Sioux Falls, where I'm from, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, we thought we invented that, which is horse on a skateboard. When we, you know, in Sioux Falls, where I'm from,
Starting point is 00:07:45 Sioux Falls, South Dakota, we thought we invented that and then we found out as soon as we ventured out into the world that like, no, everybody had their version of skate.
Starting point is 00:07:52 It was like, yeah, horse on a skateboard. We'll call it skate. Same amount of letters. Cool story, huh? It's a good story. Yeah, yeah. Rev Hall in March in Portland
Starting point is 00:07:59 by tickets to the second stand-up show. All the other shows have sold out. Yeah, thank you, Portland. You'll be there, but maybe you'll have some fun people with you.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Maybe Sean Jordan will be there. Maybe David Borey will be on the show too. Might be. Hard to say. You'll be there that day earlier for the All Famous
Starting point is 00:08:14 Everything podcast. I will guarantee I'll be there that day earlier. It'd be weird. It'd be weird if I just didn't go. Yeah. But I might.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I'm an alcoholic. We'll see. It's not my fault. It's a disease. So I might just sit in the bar. Anything else to promote? No. Listen to this and be awesome everybody everybody thank you from the bottom of our hearts for joining the patreon and just supporting and just being awesome oh yeah i mean i hope that doesn't fall on deaf ears with anyone ever
Starting point is 00:08:38 seriously thank you yeah thank you yeah yeah i just you know i gotta get it out i'm speaking of which you can sign up for our patreon. All fans of the Amity Patreon. But seriously. Bonus episodes. Watch-alongs. Yeah. The Slack. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Sean O'Connor. Hey. In the studio at Sean O'Connor's on Twitter. It's so good to be back, guys. It's so good to have you back. I love being here. Last time I saw you, we were at the Roost. I was at the Roost.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Yeah. Oh, yeah. We were just there on a Wednesday night. I love that. I heard about that. I love that you're hanging out at the Roost now. I love the Roost. I will die for the Roost.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I will, too. It looks like you're inside a Christmas bulb in there. I do. Now, how do you feel about the owners potentially being Trump pets? Well, you've been talking to fucking Mike Malloy or something? He's the only person I've heard. We all have our lines in the same way. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:09:22 I still listen to Grimes. I've heard it. I said it. I was listening to Grimes today. There you go. Here's my thing about them being maybe Trump people. They're Vietnamese immigrants. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:09:31 Like in Los Angeles, they're in a giant blue bubble. Even if they are Trump people. They're not doing anything. They're not really doing anything. They haven't spilled over into my whiskey, so I'm not worried about it. It's like a symbolic middle finger. Yeah. It's like being a teenager.
Starting point is 00:09:43 You need to rebel. It's just being rude. But without real consequences. Yeah, exactly. I kept going but I also went to the Griffon like three days after they had
Starting point is 00:09:50 their little problem. Little problem moment, yeah. You know, to fight. No, just because it was completely empty and that's what I look for in a bar. You need to get a table.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Out there holding a chain and a spike bat. Get out of here, you cowards. Then they just told me to come in and take off my net hat. I have my supposed to take it off. Are you not allowed to wear hats in there? No. No team colors.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Oh, because of the Proud Boys? No! Before the Proud Boys, so it's even more confusing. Oh, right, because that was part of the, like, this is fucked up because, like, I'm not even allowed to wear my sports team hat, so, like, why are you letting white supremacists have white supremacist shit on in this bar? Yeah, that's real bad.
Starting point is 00:10:26 I've never been to the Griffin. It's pretty good. I haven't either. You've been there? No, I haven't. Oh, no. If I'm in that reach, TG or the Roost, usually. Local LA bar content.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Yeah. It's very relatable for everyone listening. The Roost fucking rules. However, the jukebox at the Griffin fucking rocks. Does it? Oh, my God. Rock rules. I've just put so much Misfits on, and I just watched the bar fucking rocks. Does it? Oh my God. Rock rules. I've just put so much misfits on and I just watched the bar clear out.
Starting point is 00:10:49 I got something to say. The all family everything people do love local The Roost content. I mean, it's fun. It's just like you have this picture in your mind of what you think The Roost is and like you're all right. Everybody got it. Cool. One of my draft picks is going to be Rustic then.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Hell yeah. We're just going to talk about your Rustic for 20 minutes. I love Rustic. We got Rustic takes. It's maybe the best chicken wing in LA. Yeah. I'm going to give them extra crispy. Their chicken wing's incredible.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Their burger's also great. Really? Wow. I'm in a burger club, and I brought everyone to you Rustic, and they were so disappointed. But I love it. Go dive into that a little bit. You're in a burger club, and you brought the club to Ye Rustic Inn. They were so disappointed, but I love it. Go dive into that a little bit.
Starting point is 00:11:26 You're in a burger club and you brought the club to Ye Rustic. Yeah, we were all voting on where we should take the next trip for our burger club. I was like, Ye Rustic Inn is close to me and their burger is amazing.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Everyone was like, this is just okay. Well, I'm in a duck club. You're the only one who believes in the burger. I'm in a duck club and I was wondering where to take them. Oh, Arby's, baby. We went to Duck House in the San Gabriel Valley.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Oh, I love Duck House. I went there on Christmas last year. I forced my friend who does not watch movies to go see Phantom Thread with me. And then I was like, I'm going to reward you with a good Chinese dinner. What a cute little Christmas. It was wonderful. Jewish Christmas. I bet it took like 10 minutes to get to there.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Oh, yeah. We also went to Giusta in Venice the day before, and Silver Lake to Venice took like 18 minutes. That's wild. It was beautiful. Woo! Love to drive. LA traffic content. Do you have anything coming up you want to direct people to?
Starting point is 00:12:19 Well, I'll make the announcement here, although it's just only going to be a minor announcement. But Sean O'Connor is entering the podcast game. Oh, shit. Hey, my love. Welcome. Yeah, it's called Your Two Dads. It's me and Julian McCullough doing a what to expect while you're expecting for the boys. I love that.
Starting point is 00:12:39 I can't tell you who the company is yet, but there's going to be an announcement. Wow. It's Alex Jones, right? Yeah. You're doing it with InfoWars. Yeah, with InfoWars. It's really important to speak up for father's rights in this political climate. Yeah, father's right activists. Like, we're not men's right activists.
Starting point is 00:12:56 You're doing daddy's rights. Daddy's rights. Daddy's rights. Live pod from family court. That's a brilliant idea. Well, when can people look out for that? Coming in the new year. Coming in the new year.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Perfect. Allison Herman in the studio. Hello. A Herman 2006 on Twitter. Across all platforms. Across platforms. Synergy, baby. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:13:32 Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right because of the eclipse. So it counts. If we're going to fight, I'll put my shirt back on and we can all fight about the eclipse. We're going to fight. We're going to fight. Okay. Yeah. Are we really going to say that wasn't a pop culture? Now, Roy Moore, I get it. That wasn't pop culture.
Starting point is 00:13:53 That was just me like grasping at straws. Wait, you picked Roy Moore? Shut up, Sean. We're not talking about that. This is Allison's third appearance. We're talking about my other shitty pick. That's far worse than the eclipse. The eclipse was popular culture.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I mean, right? Loyal and crazy. It's not. It's a science story. I don't know. It was like a pop culture vibe, though, I got from it. I'm still, it's not happening, huh? I mean, it was popular.
Starting point is 00:14:20 I don't know if it was culture. I mean, you're more confident, and I still am buckling. I don't know what to say. We would have to go to the culture experts, Migos, for that. And they're not available right now. And Cardi B's baby. And Cardi B's baby. Culture, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Once culture's old enough to talk, we'll ask her if the eclipse counts. Why are we gendering her, though? Oh, good call. Very fair point. This is the perspective we need as a father. Yeah, as a father, as a woke dad. Woke dad. Woke dad 2018.
Starting point is 00:14:51 God. Yeah, it's the only time I'll get to do that this year. Yeah. I hated it, so I'm glad I'm going to retire it right now. This is the one time you're going to be more woke than everyone else in the room, so enjoy that. I'm really upset. But go true with a gay. I love them. R.I. True or the Gay. I love them.
Starting point is 00:15:07 R.I.P. Very good. I love that, too. Allison, do you have anything? What do you want to direct people? As you mentioned, I work for a fine website called The Ringer.
Starting point is 00:15:16 You can find all my writing there. It's the end of the year, so that means end of year content. So you can read my top 10 list. You can read my really long think piece about what it all means. And that's basically, oh, wait, actually, I interviewed Samin Nosrat, who is like the best human being ever. From Salt. Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Yeah, Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat. We just talked about food for an hour. Oh, I love that show. That's awesome. She's so likable. She is wonderful. How many languages does she speak? Because she's like in Italy speaking fluent Italian,
Starting point is 00:15:45 then she's in Mexico speaking Spanish. It's incredible to see someone that comfortable in every situation. Oh, and we found out that we went to the same high school and she grew up a 13-minute walk from me. Whoa, cool. Would you consider her like the yin to David Chang's yang? Absolutely. Yeah, because she's so much positivity. David Chang's yang. Absolutely. Yeah, because she's so much positivity.
Starting point is 00:16:05 David Chang is darkness. Wow. Hot take. Harsh take on David Chang. Woke dad over here. He's got it. He got it all figured out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:16 He seems to be woke dad David Chang. Yeah. Is his wife pregnant? Yeah, they're going to have a kid. Oh, got to get him on this pod. I'm Ian Carmel, at Ian Carmel on Twitter. Therean carmel on instagram jay date at keegan carmel on jay date jay swipe actually none of those now off the market but at ian carmel definitely on jewish zillow yeah yeah i'll tell you isn't jewish zillow just zillow it's zillow yeah i'm being carmel
Starting point is 00:16:43 i can say that I'm Jewish. By the way, that would- In before the comments. Just creating an app, like putting no work into it, but just making like Jewish Zillow, people would download it. People would download it. I would be equally popular among like nosy Jewish people and the alt-right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Because they're like your two demos. It does the doxing for you. What do I got coming up? Yeah, so we sold out in Portland in March. We sold out the two live podcasts at the Doug Firth. Thank you for buying tickets to that. Thank you so much. If you didn't get tickets, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Maybe we can add it. We'll look into it. Add another show. We probably can. Gnarly. All the real estate in portland is booked up what we did add on the night of the 8th another stand-up show so uh we sold out the first one at revolution hall we're doing another one because there was so much demand for the tickets so jump online like it's
Starting point is 00:17:38 on my twitter or go to revolution hall's website i'll be there doing my new hour i'm gonna have new stuff i'm none of it's written yet john will be there doing my new hour. I'm going to have new stuff. None of it's written yet. Sean will be there with some new stuff. David will be there. It's going to be really, really fun. Cop your tickets.
Starting point is 00:17:51 It's going to be an amazing weekend. And also you're going to be in Madison in January, right? Oh shit, yeah. And I'm going to be in Madison, Wisconsin
Starting point is 00:17:57 January 3rd, 4th, and 5th at Comedy on State. So come see that too. Me and my model. Can I make a prediction for 2019? No, not yet. No? Of course not. I just gonna say say it the next time all fantasy everything goes to portland
Starting point is 00:18:11 yeah you guys gonna be doing it where the trailblazers play what the modus yeah wow right right at half court line yep and i'm gonna be there i'm booking myself now the acoustics are going to be awful. It wouldn't be my first time on a basketball court as I did do a halftime show when I was in Taekwondo when I was 10 at the Sioux Falls Sky Force halftime show. Sure. I wouldn't be that nervous. Oh, wait.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Taekwondo? Taekwondo. Taekwondo. Oh, wow. Yeah. Black belt. Second degree playboy. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:18:41 It's his discipline. Watch your back. That's why you're wearing a black belt right now. And he also got a pink shirt. He also got a pink shirt. He also got a pink shirt. I'm marginally less confident in fighting you about eclipses. You should see him with nunchucks.
Starting point is 00:18:56 That's the one skill I held on to was nunchucks. You were at the New Year's party last year, right? Didn't you bust him out of the New Year's party? I did. Yeah, she was shocked. I came out with a straight face and just started nunchucking. Well, we'll see. We'll see.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Cop those. If you're in the Midwest, come see me at Comedy Downstate. Please do. If you're in Portland and either you want to see two shows or you haven't gotten tickets yet, cop those tickets
Starting point is 00:19:16 to the second Revolution Hall show because it's six. It's a little bit of a happy hour show. Yeah. We've got some happy hour surprises for you. So without further ado, let's get to the podcast. We are here doing our 2018 pop culture all fantasy everything fantasy
Starting point is 00:19:29 draft uh it's our third installment of it i'm very excited to get to it we have you're probably my two favorite pop culture people to talk to yeah and then sean's here too you must talk to so many pop culture people what an honor i do i'm. That's my line of work. I don't know why Marissa laughs so hard about it. I obsess over it. I thought you were going to say, I am it. Oh, no, no. I am culture.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Who do you think I am? 1981 Freddie Mercury? Wow. I'm nervous. I don't get nervous for any of these. I'm nervous for this one. You should be nervous. You played the closest last year.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Yeah, because he has a list of pedophiles and fires. I got my face ripped off last year. Who's this year's Roy Moore? Is he just trying to re-inherit the pedophile of the country title again? There was a Disney dad who just got fired from a show he was on last night, according to Deadline, for being a pedophile. Look who's up on pop culture. Breaking Deadline news.
Starting point is 00:20:24 I know all about the cast of Andy Mack on Disney. The way we determine the order of the draft is through a rollicking game of rock, paper, scissors. Play between the three of you. And we throw and shoot. Here we go. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, Sean wins.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Whoa. Decisive. This is the first time I've lost. Oh, yeah, that's right. I had a streak. Fuck. Shit. Well, This is the first time I've lost. Oh yeah, that's right. I had a streak. Fuck. Shit. Well, the other Sean ended it. At least it was by another Sean's hand. Yeah, yeah. What do you do?
Starting point is 00:20:53 I'll Sean everything. I'll Sean to see everything? Sure. I'll Sean to see everything. I'll Sean to go to high school with. Sean, it's incumbent upon you as the winner to determine the order of the draft. Before you do, I will remind you it's a serpentine draft. It is.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Now, what exactly is it? I'll answer my own question. I'll tell you this. Normally, David asks that, but David's not here. So for everybody wondering, a serpentine, it's like, let's say you're at a vegan dinner party. And you get a plate of kale. You get a plate of sprouts, right? So you take a bite of the kale.
Starting point is 00:21:24 It's pretty good. But I wonder how those sprouts are. So you take a plate of kale. You get a plate of sprouts, right? So you take a bite of the kale. It's pretty good. But I wonder how those sprouts are. So you take a bite of the sprouts. You're like, I don't know if I like, maybe the kale is better. But before you go back to the kale, you take another bite of the sprouts. And you're like, I kind of want to get down on the kale again because I don't know what that dressing was. So you go to the kale. Like, is that vegan dressing?
Starting point is 00:21:40 Were there just two dishes at the same time? Yeah, he's trying to be done, but he keeps saying. Basically what it means, if you pick fourth in the first round, you pick first in the second round. Every time you add more details or lack thereof, it sounds worse and worse than the dinner party. There were three dishes, and Miel wouldn't tell me what the third one was. It was good, but I was like, what is this? She goes, just eat it. Mung bean.
Starting point is 00:21:59 It was good. And then her dessert was off the chains. It was like this. An on-fire apple. It was good. And then her dessert was off the chains. It was like this. An on-fire apple.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Sean, what will the order of the draft be? I'm going to go first. All right, Sean. And then we're going to go Sean, Allison, Ian. Sean, Sean, Allison, Ian. Got the hot corner again. I know you like the hot corner. I try to do what I can. Sean, with the first pick in the All Fantasy Everything Pop Culture 2018 draft.
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Starting point is 00:29:08 Rules and restrictions may apply. And we're back. All right, Sean Jordan, it's time for your first pick. You're on the clock. I'm going to pick the eclipse from 2017.
Starting point is 00:29:17 You motherfucker. No, I'm not. I just watched it the other night. I'm going to pick A Star is Born. Wow. That was going to be
Starting point is 00:29:23 my first pick. I mean, I might have been my first pick i mean i might it might have been my first that's why i had to go first because i so are we obligated to have a group sing along to shallow is that what's about to happen just the whole part or what wait am i going to be the grinch about a star is born fuck you dude you didn't like it? The cinematic event of the year. Am I going to be the Illuminations' The Grinch? Is the... I liked A Star is Born. Is Lady Gaga the greatest actress of all time?
Starting point is 00:29:53 Yes. You love Lady Gaga. However... Why are you pointing a gun at me right now? Everyone's got their guns turned on you. Because it's like Tombstone in here. You know how I feel about Bradley Cooper. Cradley Bruple.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Cradley Bruple. Fuck Bradley Cooper. It's Jackson Maine who matters. Cradley Bruple. Crandley Bruple. Fuck Bradley Cooper. It's Jackson Maine who matters. Crandley Bruple. I don't agree on this. I saw it in New Orleans with a group of women. Oh. Only way to see it.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Woke to that. It was my wife and then just a bunch of people we didn't know in a theater in New Orleans. Everyone was crying and I started laughing. You second lined your way out of there. Of course. But I was laughing when he pissed his pants at the Grammy. I mean, that was kind of funny. I thought it was funny.
Starting point is 00:30:29 And he kept going, Bip, did you win? Bip, Bip, did you win? I'm like, oh, this is a secret comedy. So a lot of that stuff hit real home with my dad. Because my dad was like a crazy alcoholic like that kind of shit i know you feel like a prick sean o'connor no no no stop stop not at all but my dick's gonna be uh making amends well when so and i've told this before but my dad one time tried to pull out an inflated catheter when he when it was like inside so when he peed his pants
Starting point is 00:31:00 i just kept thinking about i know i'm sorry it's it is gnarly but uh when he did that did that, I had to get up and I walked around the living room because I was just like, holy buckets. But it's one of those movies where it's supposed to make you feel something. And I like that I felt that. I felt something about that movie. Also, we have to talk about the trailer, right? Oh, so good. But the trailer was so good because it looked so bad. I thought the movie was going to be this like,
Starting point is 00:31:25 I'm kind of with you on that, But hey, I just wanted to take another look at you meme. It's just so ridiculous. That was actually going to be my number one pick. I wasn't going to pick the movie. I was going to pick the meme. Well,
Starting point is 00:31:36 I mean, I saw it opening night at the Grove in a theater that I'm pretty sure was like 97% women and gay men. Sure. And, um, first of all, like the title card came up and gay men. Sure. And, um, first of all, like the title card came up like that totally silent. And then someone had the flash on their camera on and the sound.
Starting point is 00:31:52 And they just took a picture of the title. Hell yeah. Such an extreme version of people who record a conference. Like who's ever going to see this? But everyone else was completely silent. And then we just heard this. Oh, I'm sorry, Marcia. You didn't believe me?
Starting point is 00:32:09 I wasn't a star is born. Here's the fucking picture. I'll tell you that. But then I just need to take another look at you happen. And the entire theater broke out in rapturous applause because we were all there for that moment. I love that fucking line. But the trailer, I thought, just looked like i was very excited to see it but it was a very like ironic i was kind of expecting a good bad movie which the process that this most closely resembled for me was like i don't know if
Starting point is 00:32:36 you guys remember the young pope oh yeah but the young pope trailer looked terrible and then the young pope is legitimately amazing and it was a year, right? I think it was probably me. It was my number one show of last year. I loved it so much. But it was a similar like, oh, this is gonna be so shitty, and then it just blows you over with the... We can't trust a trailer. I've never trusted a trailer.
Starting point is 00:32:58 I liked the trailer. I liked the trailer too. I was very excited for it. Something you need to know, I am a Gaga stan. He's Google for Gaga. She is amazing I was very excited for it something you need to know I am a Gaga stan she is amazing I love her I've seen her in Costner three times she was a dick to me in New York what was that last part
Starting point is 00:33:14 she was a dick to me in New York she ran the burlesque show right after my stand up show at FIFA so you knew Stephanie she was Gaga at the time because it was lady starlight's review and gaga was like her second her right hand gal and okay and yeah but she how long ago was that 2007 2008 no yeah it's really cool i've loved her since then i had such a crush on her because she was like a cool burlesque girl.
Starting point is 00:33:48 And now she's like a fucking star. Even with that hideous nose. That essentially touches. And it's like, I'm going to be thinking about that nose for a long time. I didn't know this. I guess that happened to her. I didn't know that, right? You were telling me. She was told that she wasn't attractive conventionally or something. Which is astonishing
Starting point is 00:34:05 by the way this A Star Is Born is so much better than the Barbra Streisand Chris Christopherson I've never seen any of the other ones
Starting point is 00:34:12 for content purposes I actually had like a sneaky soft spot for the Barbra Streisand one even though she is the white woman in a trio called the Oreos
Starting point is 00:34:22 with two unnamed black women as her place is that the 70s one? It's pretty dark. With Chris Christopherson. It is like, it does try to make her more of like an independent, assertive person. And like, if anything, this A Star Is Born is kind of a step back in terms of that.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Really? Well, I don't know. What about the time where Alec Baldwin says, ladies and gentlemen, Ali. Well, i don't know i thought it was really baldwin says ladies and gentlemen well i don't know we should talk about the whole like poptimism thing probably like the way it presents her like sudden transformation into like 2007 kesha yeah to me like not only didn't make sense within the movie but also just like if you look at like the current pop landscape it's full of people like taylor swift who came up as like within country rock, who wrote their own songs.
Starting point is 00:35:09 And it doesn't make any sense that someone would like discover Ally as someone who writes her own songs in country rock and then be like, you should be Kesha. That's what I envision. That was the one beef. If I had to pick a beef, that was the one thing that I had.
Starting point is 00:35:21 I was like, I don't know if she would do that. Oh, sorry, go ahead, Sean. Oh, no, no. What you were going to say is very important. I know that. So you can say it. I don't think it is. I was like I don't know if she would do all that. Oh sorry go ahead Sean. Oh no no what you were going to say is very important I know that so you can say it. I don't think it is I was just going to say I think my problems with the movie were
Starting point is 00:35:32 Bradley Cooper sounded too much like my friend Dan. And Sam Elliott who literally is like you stole my voice in the movie. It just sounded like a northeast guy doing a southern accent. Arizona, apparently. And then the British manager
Starting point is 00:35:50 is such a piece of shit who doesn't get his comeuppance. That's just bad storytelling. I've got on socks, mate. They're sort of tucked down in there. He should at least step on a rake at some point. At least! Just like a picture of him, a shot of him driving, and know at least like oh just like a picture
Starting point is 00:36:05 of him like a shot of him driving and then it's like oh what's that over there and then you just hear an explosion the man needed to die
Starting point is 00:36:14 they feel like Poochie flew into the sun for him oh my god he went back to his home planet I love the movie my beefs for the
Starting point is 00:36:21 optimism thing and the fact that it was never clear where anything was happening at any point in time which which I actually thought was really interesting because there are certain earlier Star Is Born's where literally the opening credits is just a giant shot of Hollywood at night. Yeah. And this was a little more like- It took me forever to figure out it was LA. Well, because they mentioned a motorcycle ride to Arizona.
Starting point is 00:36:40 They're at the Virgil, one of those scenes. That's pretty cool. That was cool. I got it. Virgil's where- With Shangela. We've all been. It's in LA, but they do stand-up shows for everyone listening. They do stand-up shows, so it's fun to Arizona. They're at the Virgil one of those scenes. That's pretty cool. That was cool. I got it. Virgil's where we've all been. It's in L.A. but they do stand up shows
Starting point is 00:36:47 for everyone listening. They do stand up shows so it's fun to see. We're hot tubbers. Yeah. Now was she supposed to was Ali living in like Covina
Starting point is 00:36:55 because like he was doing like stagecoach. It looked like downtown L.A. And yeah it was either Coachella or stagecoach. The actual house was in Echo Park
Starting point is 00:37:03 but I think it was supposed to be either like the San Fernando or the San Gabriel Valley. The point being there were like hundreds of replies long, very contentious Twitter threads like dedicated to dissecting it. There was no conclusion. But the point is the movie leaves it very unclear. And there's a lot of room for debate. That's fine with me. Yeah, it wasn't even like a beef.
Starting point is 00:37:22 It was just like a fun thing to joke about because everyone saw that movie and so you could actually talk about it with everyone you knew, which was awesome. I didn't. It's one of those.
Starting point is 00:37:31 I didn't see it until like three nights ago and I was so excited that we because I think we're going to try to record this last week this this episode and I was just like,
Starting point is 00:37:39 God damn it. I want to pick that but I can't pick it without seeing it. And then Ian got the screeners. That would have been like when you
Starting point is 00:37:44 took weed. Oh, fuck that. When you did a weed. I had weed when you were fucking six, dude. Talk about this. I was fucking, that's different. David, you can fucking take a long walk up a short pier for griping at me about that one.
Starting point is 00:37:57 But this, I was like, I can't pick it and then not know what I'm talking about. So I was really excited that we delayed this and I got to see it. It was so good. Shallows is a great song. Amazing. It's incredible. Like all the songs are good except for the
Starting point is 00:38:07 SNL song that she sings. What do you do with that butt? The ass song? Yeah. There's that and hair, body, face. I actually like her pop songs. It was like the last ballad where she's like I'm Allie Mayne that I was not into. I was bawling at the end. Well, I wasn't because Zach was sitting right next to me. I was internally
Starting point is 00:38:23 bawling. I was bawling at the footage they show while she's singing it, like the way they cut to her and him at the piano. But the actual song was not great. But here's the thing. With the pop songs, she released this song that she debuted at Coachella, I think last year, called The Cure, which is a fucking banger and a half. And it's a pop song, and it's never been released on an album.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Just put that as the pop song. Right, why not? It's such a banger. You would sell more copies of the soundtrack. Well, it's just very unclear to me how the movie thinks we're supposed to feel about it, and I think because we don't see her thought process behind the change, and we
Starting point is 00:39:03 only see it through his eyes. I think we're supposed to judge her and be like, this music sucks and you're portraying her identity. I think we are, yeah. Which is not awesome. It's like, you need that guy. To tell you what to do. The closest parallel I could see was,
Starting point is 00:39:18 remember when Jewel was like, she did that one whole album that was like folksy kind of song? Or like Nelly Furtado going to like, oh my God, what's the man eater? With Timbaland. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Going from like, I'm like a bird and then being like, promiscuous. Is your game MPP like Steve Nash? Yeah. Which is a good,
Starting point is 00:39:38 wow, I can't believe you can quote Nelly Furtado. Game MPP like Steve Nash. I respect everything from Toronto. All right.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Shout out to the super producer, Marissa. I overstepped it when I said I was going to be a Grinch because I gave it three stars on Letterboxd. But I wanted to just be a foil and now I feel like a jerk. Well, it's time for your next pick to grow three sizes. Okay, here we go. And like the Grinch, I'm about to eat crow. My pick, first pick, is I'm going to pick Succession. Yes!
Starting point is 00:40:11 Oh, I'm so excited to fight about this with all of you. I love Succession. It's so good, dude. It is the best show on TV since Halt and Catch Fire. It's so fucking good. Okay, we can bond over Halt and Catch Fire. At the risk of being fired from the internet's foremost Succession fan site.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Dog. The river loves Succession. I really was dragging my feet. I do think it got a lot better by the end, but I think there are a lot of undeniable, very significant flaws with especially the first half of the season. The first episode was real tricky.
Starting point is 00:40:44 I remember thinking that this is going to gonna suck but i loved it after i yeah i agree i kind of hated the first episode yeah it was bad but that kieran culkin moment on the baseball field made me feel such disgust for a character i'm like this show is making me feel something yeah so i have to keep going yeah to me and this is still honestly my problem with the show like first of all i'm just gonna do a preemptive like fuck off to everyone who's gonna come at me and be like actually it's a comedy because here's the thing comedy is a genre that runs on timing and efficiency which means if every single one of your episodes is 65 goddamn minutes long, you have no excuse. Like, the one-liners are really good.
Starting point is 00:41:29 And a lot of the comedic scenarios it comes up with are super funny. But they're, like, floating in this soup of just distended. Yeah. Like, I feel like if you're trying to be, like, all these rich people are so excessive and they don't, like, check their own excesses. Like, you counter that by yourself being a very tight and incisive indictment of these people and like it should just be a half hour show that's just my it should be a half hour i think every show should be a half hour show agreed yeah i think every movie should be an hour and a half and every tv show should be a half hour however if there was
Starting point is 00:42:01 20 episodes of succession it would still be my number one pick. Give me the hours. That's your freaking rock. Give me the hours. I think season two is going to be really good because the way they wrapped up season one was basically like we've clarified all the character dynamics, which was another one of my beefs. It was very unclear what certain people's basic personality traits or relationships were to one another until literally three quarters of the way through the season. It takes a while, but it's fun. I like watching everyone
Starting point is 00:42:26 come to them. It establishes all of that. I think it like by the end has successfully given me to like quote unquote care in the sense of having
Starting point is 00:42:33 emotional investment in people and they tie off all the plots so I think now they can just like start wherever they want and add a bunch of new stuff. But that hostile
Starting point is 00:42:41 takeover episode was like an hour of tension. Yeah. It was fucking great. When they go to New Mexico too, that's like a good one. Yeah, for me, the turning point was also like, there's no suspense to the plot of like, oh, is Kendall or Logan going to take over? Because if Kendall deposes Logan, there's no show.
Starting point is 00:42:58 So they drag that out for six episodes. But the way they like, first of all, the fact that they resolve it is good. And then like the way they resolve it is amazing. So like once that happened, I was like, okay, like that scene is amazing. The therapy episode is where, again, they clarify all the family dynamics. Yeah. For once. That's the New Mexico episode.
Starting point is 00:43:15 And the bachelor party episode. And the bachelor party. Kendall falls off the wagon. Yeah, it's one of those guys who love wolves. Oh, they're all doing meth and shit. Yeah. What are we doing? Crank?
Starting point is 00:43:23 Yeah. I love Kendall just like, give it to me. Fuck it. I've been around the block. Let me have it. Oh my God. So good. And I mean, Tom and Greg the motherfucking egg.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Yeah. I love them so much. Like Tom is- Greg the motherfucking egg. Tom is a character that I want to see on television. Tom Shib's husband, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:42 I think Tom is also like the earliest glimpse of promise for that show for me because like my whole complaint was that like it made such a convincing case against its main characters, but it goes a step too far when it's like, and they're like uninteresting idiots and there's nothing to know about them. And it's like, well, okay, then why am I watching for 10 hours? And he's this like weird, like, what is up with this dude? And it's very specific. He's the funniest, easily the funniest part of the show, I i love all of his lines yeah oh yeah yeah yeah i mean all the
Starting point is 00:44:11 yeah him and him and greg i think are just so perfect cajun chicken linguine just the way i like it hell yeah i was trying to find we like i remember watching the first episode and then dming with you about it. Like, why is everyone going crazy about this show? Cause you were like the only other person who seemed like they weren't sold on it. Well,
Starting point is 00:44:31 it's really interesting because like, even now, like I know many TV critics who it was their number one show of the year. And I know some TV critics who were like, I hated this so fucking much that I didn't finish the season. Like, it's a really interesting, I probably wouldn't have finished the season if
Starting point is 00:44:45 everyone I work with were not walking the streets of Los Angeles with a megaphone preaching the gospel of this show. I stuck with it by the end. I loved it. I did. But after those first three episodes, I was like I felt like I was like, I'm not taking crazy pills. Why does everyone love this show?
Starting point is 00:45:02 It's interesting to see what the certain writing mistakes it made, like structurally. Yeah. Like taking Logan off the board, and immediately having them like, have a giant family tension fight in the hospital, when you don't know who any of these people are,
Starting point is 00:45:14 or what they want. That was a mistake, and I watched the first two episodes, and I was like, I don't think I'm going to continue this, and I took like, three weeks off, and then I just went back,
Starting point is 00:45:23 and I was like, that break was so necessary. Because doing an episode two as a bottle episode is a big swing. Yeah. Like so you got to kind of respect. Also like Peep Show is one of my favorite shows of all time. It's just like you eventually learn, for example, like Shiv, the daughter. Her whole thing is that she's trying to separate herself from a family by having a separate political career.
Starting point is 00:45:43 But she doesn't actually want to make the definitive break. So there's this like weird psychological conflict with her. But then like before you can see her like really care about not being a part of the family and who she is as an independent person, it's like, oh, let's trap her in a hospital room with everyone. So you don't really understand who she is outside of that. Here's something. But it's also really cool to watch a show like get better. Of course. Well, Ian and Zach are real quick with the trigger finger.
Starting point is 00:46:06 And so they'll just make quick decisions when we're all chilling, like what to watch. And Ian threw on Succession. He's like, that sucked, right? And we're all like, yeah, kind of. That was just a side note. Is Kieran Culkin's name Romulan or Romulus in the fucking show? It's Roman, right? It's Roman.
Starting point is 00:46:21 I swear to God, he calls him Romulus one day. Yeah, but that's not his name. Romulus and Remus were the two were they wolves? Like who founded Rome? This is Final Jeopardy the other day.
Starting point is 00:46:30 It was. I can't believe I didn't get it. It's the two babies who were raised by wolves. Raised by wolves. But his name in the show is Roman.
Starting point is 00:46:35 It's not Romulus right? Yeah his name is Roman but the dad like as a weird nickname slash demeaning thing. Called him Romulus. I was real when I was like
Starting point is 00:46:43 holy shit is his name Romulus? That's a fucking bold move. I mean, I love that they have a character whose full name is Siobhan, but she's just called Shiv. I know.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Yeah. It's fucking great. The names are good in that show. It's a big year for like, divisive TV shows. By the way, when you were saying that, is it,
Starting point is 00:46:59 now, one of my now worries about this show that I just keep telling how, people how much I love it. Is this a white male show only? Like,
Starting point is 00:47:08 is this like a show that like, I know a lot of women who like it. I mean, I think it's because there are other like bro-ier shows this year for sure. I think it's very much. We like them all. Because it's like, oh yeah,
Starting point is 00:47:22 we're going to just do like 30 minutes on Ozark later. I think it's like, oh yeah. We're going to just do like 30 minutes on Ozark later. I guarantee they're going to get it. I think it's like because it's a show like about the failures and ineptitude of like white men and like some white women. It's like there's a woke spin on it. It's not a white dude fandom. Okay, cool. I just don't want to be like walking into a Halloween party next year and everyone's Kendall and here I am as Roman and I'm like, ah, I fucked up. I don't get the show.
Starting point is 00:47:47 I like that show. The suit wearing show. There's no one quicker to pull that card on me. I have pulled it in defensive. Is this a good segue? Can I do my first pick? That's one of my favorite things,
Starting point is 00:47:57 by the way. We're talking about TV, so my first pick is going to be the actual best television show of 2018, Killing Eve, baby! Oh, there we go. Yeah. Okay. It's by Phoebe Waller-Bridge, is going to be the actual best television show of 2018. Don't do it. Killing Eve, baby.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Oh, there we go. Yeah. Okay. It's by Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who you may know from Fleabag and also Dating the Three Billboards Guy, question mark. Oh, really? I don't know if that's still happening. She also created Crashing.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Yes. Not to be confused with the other Crashing. But she's a British playwright and TV writer who got known in the States because she wrote this series that she also stars in. And so most people got to know her as a performer. But this is a show that she mostly just wrote on. She's not in it at all. And it stars Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer as a British MI5 agent who randomly has an American accent that they like only half explain, and a Russian ex-con international assassin who get locked in this sort of international game of cat and mouse.
Starting point is 00:48:54 And it is just like sexy and smart and fun and intelligent and watchable. And like I just remember watching it and getting the same feeling when I like first watched my screeners for Atlanta where I was like oh I'm not looking up for the next like four hours also the episodes are it's technically an hour
Starting point is 00:49:11 but it's like a commercially hour so most episodes are like 42 minutes long oh perfect which is great it's on Hulu now you can all watch it okay I have not seen this
Starting point is 00:49:19 I haven't seen it either I'm willing I want to be I want to be sold but what you just described as like this sexy spy, is it like spy game starring Robert Redford and Brad Pitt? I have not seen that.
Starting point is 00:49:32 I mean, the thing I really like about it is that, first of all, it takes like a mostly dude genre and like not only are they women, but like her boss is like Eve's boss is a woman. The men on this show are all like kind of incompetent or marginal for the most part but it doesn't make a huge like point of it it's just like we're just going to show you a world where like most people who work for mi5 are women yeah and just take that for granted and then also something i really appreciate is like versus a british tv show like sherlock or whatever there's definitely homoerotic tones to it but instead of like beating around the bush
Starting point is 00:50:08 and never making it explicit like literally a line in the finale is like I like masturbate thinking about you all the time. Masturbate. It's a tough word there. Yep. Tough word but Jodie Comer can really sell it. It's just like a very explicit like oh yeah like they are actually attracted to one another. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:24 In addition to being like attracted to one another. Yeah. In addition to being, like, pulled towards one another psychologically. Instead of all these, like, sidelong glances that they usually do in British things. Yeah, it's not coded at all. And, like, that's really cool. And just, like, the way they wage this game is so, like, explicitly about how women relate to one another. Like, a thing that Villanelle does both to, like, unsettle and, like, pursue Eve is she goes clothes shopping for her. And she just drops off a case of clothes that all fit her perfectly. And they all look great.
Starting point is 00:50:54 And, like, one of the best, like, the best scene of the series is basically, like, Eve is to start alone at her house. She tries on the dress that Villanelle, like, bought for her. She's just, like, walking around her house alone. And then Villanelle, like, breaks into her house. And then Villanelle like breaks into her house. And then they have like a dinner over a microwave shepherd's pie. That is like the best 15 minutes of television I have seen this year. Because it's just like the power dynamic is constantly shifting.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Like Villanelle the assassin is this like psychopath. So she's totally unpredictable and like can model emotion but doesn't really feel them. And it's just such an interesting character. And I don't know. This show really suckered me in. I'm sold. I got two weeks coming up. I'm sold.
Starting point is 00:51:34 I'm going to watch Killing Eve. There you go. Okay, so this is just me talking at you. Fantastic. Created by Woke Droid from Solo. Socialist Droid, specifically. Rose Emoji Droid. Yeah, L337.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Yeah, and she's also, like, she's producing a show on HBO that has a similar, I think it's called, like, Run. And the premise is it's, like, two middle-aged women who are best friends. And they have this lifelong promise that if one of them texts the other, Run, with no questions asked, they have to drop everything and just, like, hit the road together. Really? So, like, this is kind of her theme. Like if any of you saw Fleabag, it's like women who kind of like self-destruct for reasons that like they don't totally understand. But like they are on some level unsatisfied. And so they just kind of like pick at whatever comes their way.
Starting point is 00:52:20 It's really interesting. It is not like a subject I've seen a lot of people explore that well. Yeah. But I would love to see her do something, you know, with like a Miles Teller. Like representation matters. Maybe a Timothee Chalamet. Yeah. Just kidding.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Oh, yeah. I mean, Timothee Chalamet. I'm just messing around. I'm just kidding. I wanted to. I get it. I feel bad because I didn't realize no one else had seen it. Don't feel bad.
Starting point is 00:52:49 That's great. That's amazing. Sometimes I pick things I haven't seen. It was originally on BBC America. And so literally for six months, I've been getting the like, oh, you really like this show. How do I watch it? And I have to be like, you have to either buy it on Amazon or like, I don't even know. But it's finally on streaming.
Starting point is 00:53:05 But see, what was so great is you sold the shit out of that show. And I know like three people have watched that show. And they were just like, yeah, man, just obsessed with Killing Eve. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to watch it. Like if all you're saying is, wow, man, obsessed. Watched another one. I mean, when I was staying with our mutual friend Zach Rice when I was in New York,, I literally sat him down on the couch and was like, we need to watch this pilot. I need to know that you have seen this.
Starting point is 00:53:29 And then he was like, yeah, bro. I was like, oh, kill a game. This is sick. Oh, my God. We're so tight. Exactly like that. Is he Jimmy Fallon? I think kind of.
Starting point is 00:53:39 He's like, you know, Bay Area Jimmy Fallon. Tight. I like it when people do that, too. When they just sit me down like, hey, you gotta watch this. We're watching it. I'm like, all right, I'm in. I did that with Zeitgeist, too, with you. Oh, dude, loose change?
Starting point is 00:53:51 Sorry, you tell me the explosion started at the top, all right? That's how I watched my cousin's murder. That's a four. Five seconds of silence. Yeah, everybody. That's a four segue. We all gotta go walk around a little bit it's time for my
Starting point is 00:54:05 first and second picks as it is a serpentine draft sure sure with my first pick I gotta take it no don't Red Dead Redemption 2
Starting point is 00:54:11 yeah okay now this is the thing that I have no experience of because I grew up in a liberal household where I was not allowed to play video games really
Starting point is 00:54:20 yeah I had a half hour of screen time a day that was it that wouldn't be enough for Red Dead that's enough to like get on your horse. Marissa said I look like one of the dudes with my weird handlebar mustache that I shaved
Starting point is 00:54:30 the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Micah a little bit. Yeah, right? Hell yeah. It's so good. It's so good that I enjoy watching you play it. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:38 That's all I've done so far because in our house, my wife plays it. Yeah. So I just watch her. Gender reversal. Gender reversal. I sit on the couch and she plays it and the only time I've ever touched the controller to play anything is in a poker game
Starting point is 00:54:55 because she didn't know the rules. Wow, I love that. It is so immersive. That's what partnership's all about. Here, babe. It looks amazing. The attention to detail is astonishing. It's so immersive. That's what partnership's all about. Yeah. Here, babe. It looks amazing. The attention to detail is astonishing. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:55:08 It was worth those 120-hour work weeks they made everyone do. It really was. If you're a developer at Rockstar, thank you very much for putting in those 120-hour. You hit it over the green monster with that one. You really did. Somebody had a tweet the other day that sums it up perfectly. It was like, if this was a movie, it would be terrible. Because it would just be like nine hours of like doing chores, riding a horse in a circle.
Starting point is 00:55:30 You know what I mean? And occasionally shooting like former Confederate soldiers. It is true. There actually is a movie that's very similar to what I, I think my wife's on like chapter three. Yeah. But if you have the chance, see McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Oh yeah. Have I seen McCabe and Mrs. Miller?
Starting point is 00:55:48 It's so similar to Red Dead Redemption. You are talking to the world's number one Warren Beatty, Stan. I do not miss. What is the name of your horse, Ian? I got one now called LeSabre. Oh,
Starting point is 00:56:01 very cool. Yeah. I went and tamed this. I was in the fucking living room when he tamed it. You gotta go up north to this very heavy snowed in area. I was in. Around a lake. So I'm stalking this rare white Arabian horse that lives up there in the Northlands.
Starting point is 00:56:14 It was so tight. And I tamed it. And I considered it a white Buick Le Sabre. So I named the horse Le Sabre. Miracle Whip. Miracle Whip. Previous horses I named... God, what was the one? It's from the Unforgivable video, Bovice.
Starting point is 00:56:29 Bovice, yeah, yeah. Very cool, very cool. Call it Bovice. Bovice. So I've had Bovice and LeSabre. Those are my two horses. Somebody asked the other day who's taking care of Chungus. Chungus from Stardew Valley.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Chungus is hanging in there. I begged my wife to name the horse Horse the Band the Horse and she refused. What'd she name it? I can't remember now. Something something lame. Like Demanda.
Starting point is 00:56:54 Demanda. Crephony. Chrysanthemum. It's just such it's just such a fun game. The storyline like they do the thing that Rockstar does
Starting point is 00:57:05 what is the storyline well I'll do it okay alright yeah like you don't play story mode you just do the expanse I do both
Starting point is 00:57:12 I do the story mode I go hunting all the time you can go fishing it sounds lame until you're playing it sounds meditative it's so meditative
Starting point is 00:57:21 it does not sound like something from the company that brought you Grand Theft Auto no I mean one part of it you can just be riding through like beautiful landscapes get off your horse go fishing It's so meditative. It's so meditative. It does not sound like something from the company that brought you Grand Theft Auto. No. I mean, one part of it, you can just be riding through beautiful landscapes, get off your horse, go fishing, make a fire, cook the fish, and you could do that for two hours. Yeah. There's a part where you could just write the next great American novel.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Yeah. You sit down with a quill and- I just saw a screenshot on Twitter that was like, there's some point where you have to beat up a Yale-trained art historian to authenticate a forge something. I just did it. I literally just did that. Really? Did you feel like Nanette?
Starting point is 00:57:53 I did. We're going to talk about that later. I love that you called it Nanette stuff. I did. I felt like Nanette. Yeah, it's just an amazing game. It's almost too big for me to talk about, but it is the kind of game where you can play for four hours,
Starting point is 00:58:11 not do any of the mission, and still have so much fun. And it's so beautiful, and it is very meditative. Yeah, Red Dead Redemption 2. For my second pick, I have to take the one thing that I earnestly enjoyed from uh the wyoming sessions daytona by push a t okay from kanye's uh wyoming yeah yeah yeah it's my that is the one thing that's the one thing yeah it's so good i've never heard it it's so good he he kind of pushed me out of his life this year and he pushed you out of his life no kanye did in a big way he pushed me out of his life this year. He pushed you out of his life? No, Kanye did in a big way.
Starting point is 00:58:46 He pushed me out. We had this great songwriting partnership, and we just grew apart this year. He had a weird year. He's having a weird year today. He's presently having a whole weird year. Yeah, this is a dark year in Kanye, but Pusha. Pusha, though. Also a wild year for Pusha.
Starting point is 00:59:07 You are hiding a child. It was the most invigorating. Gnarly. Like, I whooped out loud, like, alone in my apartment. You are hiding a child. I don't even think it rhymes with anything, right? He just, like, says it. It's just one of those things, like, he thought he was done, and he's like, you are hiding a child.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Damn, dude. It is the closest thing we have to, that's why one of those things, like, he thought he was done, and he's like, you were hiding a child. Yeah. Damn, dude. It is the, it's the closest thing we have to, that's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker. You know what I mean? But for, like, 2018, like, you were hiding a child. We're like, yeah. Which, by the way, that is progress. It is progress. It really is progress.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Oh, absolutely, yeah. You have a kid that you don't take care of. That's like. Yeah, you're a bad father. Biggie probably had that, too. You know what I mean? But, like, he wasn't even beefed that too. There was some great Jaboukie tweet that was like standard
Starting point is 00:59:47 rap diss, then like Pusha T, you're like perpetuating the cycle of fatherlessness. I do love, I didn't even piece that together. Like the 1990s were like kind of like the invention of the anti-hero. So yes, Tupac would fuck someone's wife. And that was like proof that he was a man.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Pusha T woke as fuck. He's like, we need to call this guy out with his big problem. Hey, your child support! I love that! He named the diss track The Tale of Adidon, which was going to be Drake's Adidas line or something like that.
Starting point is 01:00:21 So Drake had to stay. Now he's just stayed with Nike and didn't do it he really he really shut and we might i don't want to get too bold but like he shut him down and because it's crazy because like what are you gonna say they both like succeeded on their own terms like absolutely won that beef but i wouldn't say drake had a bad year no no no we might get into it more later i'm sure we will but no i think you had a great year. But as far as just Pusha T being like, don't fuck with me, man. Well, that had to be a tough pill to just be like, all right, fine.
Starting point is 01:00:54 I'll just sit back. Speaking of every TV show should be a half hour, every movie should be 90 minutes, every album should be 21 minutes long. Yes. Thank God. That was also the only good thing out of those sessions was the fact that every album was seven tracks yeah so gay was over with if you know you know is hard as fuck uh comeback baby is hard as fuck infrared the diss track is like hard as fuck hell yeah yeah it's just like man i push it he's my favorite rapper and this was like thick i and i always wanted ever since favorite rapper. And this was like thick. And I always wanted, ever since he joined Good Music, I was like, please let Kanye just produce a whole Pusha album.
Starting point is 01:01:31 And he did. And it was just fucking great. I saw him on stage with Kanye at Coachella when he was touring off My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Really? Oh, my God. It was him and the guy from Bon Iver were like the two big guest stars. Damn. Like the two opposite ends
Starting point is 01:01:45 of modern music Justin Vernon and Pusha T and a bunch of ballerinas I'm glad to see Pusha getting to shine finally like yeah I mean he's you know
Starting point is 01:01:52 people have known about him for years I'm sure he's not like missing meals but like to see him finally like everyone knows who Pusha T is he's a worker
Starting point is 01:01:58 yeah it's sick well and to see friends of mine who have always liked him like get that validation was really fun and they're like see I've been saying
Starting point is 01:02:04 you know you're like yeah I get it I get what you've been saying, you know, you're like, yeah, I get it. I get what you've been saying. It was also nice to see someone and I know we'll talk about Drake more later, but like,
Starting point is 01:02:10 Drake is such a like, he's like vacations and all these different genres. Right. Which is great for music, but he also like, it's nice to see someone like him try to like vacation
Starting point is 01:02:20 and being like tough guy rapper land and to have like somebody actually stand up and be like, nah, man. You know what I mean? It it's so it is so interesting though to just see like these two totally different models of like yeah like pusha absolutely won on his own standards and then drake basically just like removed himself and started and resumed playing his totally different game i'll be a pop star you know yeah i'll like have a bunch of Degrassi cameos in a music video. Everyone will like me
Starting point is 01:02:45 again. Let me do what I do now. Is it my turn? It is your turn. Alright, I sit in a room with three straight white male comedians. We're going to talk about Nanette. Alright, let's do it. I mean, honestly, it's a good pick. I honestly picked it less because
Starting point is 01:03:02 I feel really strongly, like, passionately in favor. It is just such a, like, it was such a conversation starter. Everyone I knew was kind of heated about it for, like, five solid months. It's a pop culture moment as well. Yeah. It's really, like. Of course.
Starting point is 01:03:17 There were so many comedy specials this year. I think on Netflix alone it was like 3 million. But like she like had a moment that everyone I know was talking about. Yeah, of course. It was incredible. It was also really interesting because I watched the wonderful sitcom Please Like Me also on Hulu. Please check it out. But she's just on it as like a supporting character. And I didn't really know her as like a stand-up or a performer.
Starting point is 01:03:43 And that was a really interesting way to get to know her. It was just, it was also really fun to just like argue with people about for like a long time. A hundred percent. I, here's, I've watched Nanette twice. Yeah. I genuinely don't know how I feel about it. That's good. That's fair.
Starting point is 01:03:58 I mean, I saw it once and actually didn't really like it. And then I went to Just for Laughs this year just to like cover it. And I ended up seeing what turned out to be like her last ever live performance of the set and that was fascinating because it had already gone live and already gone viral so everyone there knew what she was about to say
Starting point is 01:04:16 Were they like yelling stuff out? She had a standing ovation before she even started and then she was like oh like this should be a scene just like very self aware. Take down Van Gogh! Take down Van Gogh! It's Picasso. Van Gogh is the cool one.
Starting point is 01:04:32 He has a mental illness. We need to understand that. Picasso was a misogynist. Oh, sorry. Right, right, right. Yes. Ariana Grande would take down Van Gogh. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:41 It was really interesting to watch. Everyone knew what she was about to say which literally like ruins the effect because you're supposed to go in expecting a stand up set and then have her
Starting point is 01:04:50 kind of like confront you with like what you're expecting from a comedian and then like not only was that really fucked up
Starting point is 01:04:56 but then you could see that like she was really not happy with it and it was really interesting to watch her try to negotiate that as she's like trying to control the room.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Like at the very emotional end, someone in the front row yelled out like, do you want a hug? And she's like broke for a second and was like, no, like I'm fine. I would not be able to do this right now if I were not like fine. Yeah. Like this is not, this is very like calculated and controlled and like deeply felt. But like it's very intentional. Yes. Like. Yeah. I mean, like it's very intentional. Yes.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Yeah, I mean, Nanette was great. Maybe it shouldn't have been surprising to me, but it did surprise me how hard it kicked the hornet's nest. Like, how mad it made some people. Well, because truly, here's what I liked about Nanette. It's the most successful it's the first time I've ever seen a stand-up special actually nail what they're trying
Starting point is 01:05:50 to do where it did make white males feel like a minority. And I completely understand why it would make some white males in the comedy world feel insignificant. One of my least favorite responses to it
Starting point is 01:06:05 was actually from Defenders, who were sort of like, why are people so butthurt about this? Can't you see she's just talking about her own personal experience? And I was like, no. She deliberately framed the show to be extremely provocative.
Starting point is 01:06:17 There's a reason why she's not being like, in my personal experience, comedy hasn't been the best venue to express my trauma. No, she comes out and is like, comedy is broken and it sucks. And like, I'm leaving. Yeah, no, it's the whole point of the show is to make you feel small. And mad or uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:06:36 And that was really interesting to watch. And like, I think the initial kind of universal praise is almost bad for it because like, she wants you to argue. Like, that's the whole point. And a friend of mine pointed out, that's also the rhetorical mode of like all of standup. Like it's funnier to come out and be like absolutist about something. A hundred percent.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Then it is to be like, I don't know. That is like, that is like Bill Burr's entire thing is going out going like, we should still like, there's never a reason to hit a woman. Yeah. Right. And you're like, well, when that happens, a reason to hit a woman yeah right and you're like when that happens people are like fuck yeah and then they're like most guys are
Starting point is 01:07:11 shitty and then like they're like i also saw bill bernier said this year where he complained about like me too psychos destroying careers and i was like oh dude it's the same thing it basically comedy comedy has become trolling yeah Yeah, it kind of has. Yeah, it's a big part of it. But it's been for a while. Not when my good friend Buddy Hackett did it. So this is stuck, right? Yeah, I think this was a year with a lot of very fantastically executed, very traditionally done comedy specials. Like, Mulaney's is incredible.
Starting point is 01:07:42 Ali Wong's is incredible. But that was such a like formal break that I thought it deserved and I think it's the only one that worked that was
Starting point is 01:07:50 because I think there's one other well there was the one that Gerard directed where there's no audience and it's just him like monologuing I know both
Starting point is 01:07:57 I know both people involved but man it sucked it didn't work but it was an interesting swing but yeah i agree like it was a swing you swing a man i don't think it was an interesting swing harlan williams filmed a stand-up special on top of a mesa yeah with no audience and like nobody was like whoa the net
Starting point is 01:08:18 you know look at this you know it was just like a goofy idea and that's what i thought that special was the drew michael one who i'll think is a funny stand-up comedian but i was like sometimes you should have an audience but he's also a nightclub comic it's not like he says things that are like important to say like because no comedian really does no so like he's like going like 9-11 and you're like yeah man like you should have an audience yeah yeah come on don't just leave that hanging there it was yeah that was i didn't make it through that completely yeah anyway that's not what we're talking about great guy yeah yeah nanette yeah fantastic good pick hell yeah thank you guys sean o'connor time for your second pick okay i this is tough because a lot of the things that i want to pick are still on the board which is good so uh my second pick okay i this is tough because a lot of the things that i want to pick are still on the board which is good so uh my second pick is going to be mitski nice i feel like we had the year of
Starting point is 01:09:15 mitski in a big way i'm so glad that i've been a mitski head for the last three albums and she fucking did it she had an album and now people really care about her. People love her, yeah. This is the best. Like, either says a lot of good things about me, or it's like the most vicious cell phone that I could air, but I went to the Mitski show at the Wiltern and ran into, like, literally every single person I know in Los Angeles. Like, I am in the Mitski core demographic.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Oh, hell yeah. And so I've been on since Bury Me in Makeout Creek as well. Yes, of course. And this was of course it's and it's great it's such a good album it's my favorite album of the year uh and what i love about it is she has brought emo back like i know that there's so many other bands that are doing what was traditionally known as emo like uh kississippi released an album this year that's pretty good and modern baseball released an album this year that's pretty good and modern baseball
Starting point is 01:10:05 released an album this year that's pretty good but mitski has elevated emo well she's also like the figurehead of honestly i had this on my notes app of things to pick but i was gonna just call it sad girls with guitars yeah but literally like in that spotify rap thing my top five is like beach house whatever uh but it was like mitski lucacus Phoebe Bridgers and Courtney Barnett and I was literally listening to the Boy Genius EP on the way over
Starting point is 01:10:28 like that whole genre had a great year Courtney Barnett oh that fucking album I love so much and last year the album she did with Kurt Vile
Starting point is 01:10:36 I was like was that this year and then I couldn't pick it and that's the thing like there is this whole genre you just named five people and then like Swearing Reunited this year
Starting point is 01:10:43 and that's the bad album fucking rocks. And like Japanese Breakfast Rules. It's all good. J-Som. Yeah, J-Som. Sasami just signed with like this label. She rules.
Starting point is 01:10:57 We are living at the best time for female emo because they were completely cut out in the late 90s, early 2000s because boys will be boys and boys with broken hearts will be even worse boys. And then they become woke dads. Yeah, and then they become woke dads. I completely, I apologize for my brand new phase. I'm all about Mitski. Album of the year for me. That's something guys are so good I will honestly say
Starting point is 01:11:27 this is probably like of the three albums of hers that I really like it's probably like my quote unquote least favorite but like by Mitski standards it's just like I like the other two slightly ecstatically more I think my Mitski though like Townie is like I think
Starting point is 01:11:44 one of the best songs I've ever heard. And your best American girl. Yeah. It's like, I tear up just like on reflex. It's so good. However, the first time I heard Nobody,
Starting point is 01:11:53 I listened to it on repeat for two full days. And like, I was trying to like break it down. And what I love about it is it starts to sound like, uh, the Cardigan's first album. And so when you're i'm combining mitski and the cardigans oh baby daddy i'm in love hell yeah mitski mitski uh yeah that oh you don't start not that but the what are the the swedish what is the oh danish buried like uh
Starting point is 01:12:32 i'm definitely not gonna get there oh goodbye my danish sweetheart i knew it was somebody from scandinavia i love that song too oh. Oh, yeah. And I also like Our Bodies Are Crushed Little Stars. One fucking rock. And Pitchfork gave it Album of the Year, right? A lot of people gave it Album of the Year. Because it's Mitski's year. It's Mitski's world. We're just living in it.
Starting point is 01:12:55 20 Mitskin. Yeah, Mitski 2020. Yeah, Mitski 2020. Mitski Bando O'Rourke 2020. Sean Jordan, time for your second and third picks. Second pick's going to be the reboot of Queer Eye oh yeah I was going to take that too
Starting point is 01:13:08 I'm the ringer top 10 list going to plug that once again I cried dare I say we all cried every single episode I'm almost crying right now the way that it makes you feel and like how fucking cool they all are is just I'm serious I'm almost crying it's just so heartfelt and it makes you feel
Starting point is 01:13:25 so good it is so amazing it really is it's so good it's honestly like the best thing that happened in 2018 well it's also the best like thing that sounded like a terrible idea yes it could have been I heard it and was like what the fuck are they doing
Starting point is 01:13:42 like why are they doing this it was such a weird concept like at the time when it was 2006 and like they just they cast it so well and it's it's been crazy to watch all of them like really uh level up in terms of the spawn con i follow all of them on instagram i am but i did you guys know this that tan french French's brother was supposed to be part of the group, too? Oh. Pale German. Wait, he's a pale German brother?
Starting point is 01:14:10 Get the fucking... I'm calling bullshit. You dickhead. His name is Tan French. Pale German was his brother. Yeah, no, I get it. Pale Germany. Pale Germany.
Starting point is 01:14:24 I think Danish. Oh, my God. It. I think Danish. Isn't it Swedish? Oh, my God. It's pale Swedish Danish. It's the worst joke I have ever almost tweeted. And then you just dumped it in hour two of a podcast. In a safe space. When we drop this episode, will you promote it by telling that joke and then putting a link underneath it?
Starting point is 01:14:43 All right, thank you. Oh, thank you. Oh my god. I mean, it's been really interesting for me because one of my favorite TV shows, like, full stop is RuPaul's Drag Race. And, like, that is really interesting because it is, like, so gay, not just in its content, but, like, in its style.
Starting point is 01:15:00 Like, it fourth wall breaks all the time. It's very, like, sarcastic and ironic and campy and meta and, like, very, like, we don't, spiky, kind of. And then Queer Eye is sort of, like, we're going to take the most, like, legible, like, feel good. We're never going to break the fourth wall. Like, Bobby is going to remodel an entire fucking house every week and we're not going to see any contractors. I like how Bobby is so cashed because Bobby is the only one that has to do like real work work. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Bobby's in there sweating. What the fuck does Karamo do? Karamo is branding. He's like rebranding people who are like truck drivers. Dude. Karamo's just like He has one conversation
Starting point is 01:15:37 with the cop and then he solves police brutality. God, Karamo. That was upsetting. That episode was really bad. That was like a really interesting one though because you can kind of like see the limits
Starting point is 01:15:47 of their like, oh, like we're all just going to meet in the middle. Because like that was when they had like the Trump pen signs in the living room. And they just like instead of having the conversation of like, this is how this makes me feel as a person who like is gay and knows trans people. And then they were just like, nope, we're just gonna teach you how to make avocado toast. My favorite moment, when the fireman tried to fucking do
Starting point is 01:16:10 the knee slide with shorts on. Oh, yeah. When they were dancing. It was at the end and he fucking eats it. And he just eats shit. You're like, what on God's green earth
Starting point is 01:16:16 did you think was gonna happen, dog? It's one of those shows where the three of us are watching it together while I'll be crying separately. Yeah. In the room? Not like, dude, are you crying? But it's And like, yeah. Not, not, not like,
Starting point is 01:16:25 dude, are you crying? But it's just like, yeah, I'm crying a little bit. Well, it's such an interesting thing about like masculinity. Like it's explicitly about like,
Starting point is 01:16:34 Oh, we're going to like teach you how to like respect yourself. Yeah. Respect other people. So when it came out, there were people like who criticized it by saying, Oh great. Like a show where they go help straight white men fix themselves or whatever, even though it's not just white guys and it's not just straight guys.
Starting point is 01:16:49 Right. But it's really interesting to see like the one episode where they did a woman. She was like, I'm good. Just like, please remake my church. And it was all about her community. I might as well have been a big tear that whole episode. It was really beautiful. But I did think it was sort of like interesting slash telling that she was sort of like i have my shit together help my community and all the men are like please help
Starting point is 01:17:09 me i think the telling thing about like the fact like taking care of yourself as a man it's not like a skill that a lot of people i have a lot of crazy theories about this including that like a lot of the problems in our american society can be traced back to men not being taught to love themselves for who they are. And, like, the fact that the show even tries to do a little bit of that. Yeah. Like, even tries to, like, say, hey, like, it's okay for you to love yourself and to take care of yourself. And, like, there's nothing wrong with that.
Starting point is 01:17:35 Making a little effort is a good thing. You don't have to feel ridiculous if you put product in your hair or whatever. It's fine. And you don't have to be perfect to be better. And they do a really good job of, like, specifically taking, like, people's needs and styles. It's not, like, imposing anything on them. Yeah. Like, I actually had some problems with this episode, but, like, the father of six who, like, worked three jobs, they were like, we're going to go to Target and you're going to do your clothes shopping in this part of the store and your food shopping here.
Starting point is 01:17:57 And it's specifically, like, about you being cheap and efficient. Yeah. And, like, I think that episode was also kind of a case study in the limitations because it's like these people's problems are not that they don't take care of themselves it's that they live under capitalism of course but it is a great show for our current times because it's so
Starting point is 01:18:16 full of empathy which like doesn't happen anywhere and they're also so likable like to the point where like Jonathan Van Ness does Stand Up if anyone else did that I'd be like gross the point where like Jonathan Van Ness does stand up if anyone else did that I'd be like gross
Starting point is 01:18:27 but I'm like hell yeah you're so bad I can't look away has anyone seen him before I want to see him so bad
Starting point is 01:18:33 I know that he did sets around LA and now he's like doing a straight up tour which I would love to see that's great that's fantastic I actually
Starting point is 01:18:39 this might be like I should try to cover this for 2019 this is a good story idea I'm going to put this in a notes app one second Sean time for your third pick
Starting point is 01:18:48 alright getting my TV shows out of the way picking season two of Atlanta aha Robin season yeah it was
Starting point is 01:18:54 Teddy Perkins so good I just I knew I was gonna pick two TV shows so why not do it back to back but it was just it was just amazing
Starting point is 01:19:01 every episode they were all so different and like when he gets lost in the woods get the fuck out of here that was such a crazy episode I thought it was really it was just amazing every episode they were all so different and like when he gets lost in the woods get the fuck out of here that was such a crazy episode they managed to like tell a very complete unified story like i thought it was really interesting that season one was very like it's just totally separate and the fact that like the finale of season one was almost like fuck you for expecting this to be a big episode like nothing big is gonna happen and this one was like no we're gonna tell like a very concise
Starting point is 01:19:26 and complete story about like Earn and Al's relationship. Yeah. But like we're going to do it by like having five random bottle episodes and Donald Glover
Starting point is 01:19:34 isn't even in half the season. Like it's really incredible. Yeah. I mean, there's the whole episode, the piano episode, just insane. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:43 Teddy Perkins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Teddy Perkins. yeah yeah Teddy Perkins yeah so it's so good it's crazy
Starting point is 01:19:47 it's scary introduced me to a Stevie Wonder song I'd never heard before I was just I just loved the whole season the opening with the Cat Williams episode was first right
Starting point is 01:19:54 of the season yeah yeah Alligator Man Alligator Man amazing never saw an episode you didn't
Starting point is 01:20:02 and I'll never will oh my god you hate Donald Glover I have a I'll never will oh my god you hate Donald Glover I have a I have a issue oh yes okay
Starting point is 01:20:10 personal issue with Donald Glover we can send you all the episodes he's not in that sounds great there are a bunch there are many of those
Starting point is 01:20:17 there's a whole maybe slash back episode cause I've moved on so much that you won't watch his TV show I saw Solo did you? okay well there you go I didn't see any of Because I've moved on. So much that you won't watch his TV show. I saw Solo. Did you?
Starting point is 01:20:28 Okay, well, there you go. I didn't see any of, I just, I watched the first season of Atlanta this year as well. Oh, wow. Oh, really? Yeah, I never saw one again. Brian Tyree Henry and Lakeith Stanfield are so good. Tyree Henry's having an incredible year. He's in Widows and Beale Street, right? And Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse.
Starting point is 01:20:43 Oh, is he in that? He's so good in that. I do love Lakeith Stanfield as well. I find him so interesting. You will get him when you watch the show. It is such a... He's so good in it. He's the one that pops. And that's one of the best parts of the show.
Starting point is 01:20:58 It is theoretically the Donald Glover production, but Lakeith Stanfield is going to be a huge star because of it. Brian Tyree Henry is going to be huge. Zazie Beetz. Zazie Beetz. Yeah, Zazie Beetz.
Starting point is 01:21:09 She's in Deadpool 2. There's an episode where Michael Vick is street racing people in a strip club parking lot. Yeah. It's a good show. Oh, I should watch it. Yeah. But it's hard for me to separate the art from the artist 10 years ago. That is definitely the most pressing example of that
Starting point is 01:21:26 in the last two years, is your personal relationship with Donald Glover. They also do like a Florida Man episode. It has never occurred to anyone else. Florida Man. Great pick, Shani. Sean O'Connor, tell me your third pick. Okay, here we go.
Starting point is 01:21:41 You know what? I'm going to go over to movies. Yeah. And this one. Bohemian Rhapsody oh how I wished but it turned out to be dog shit on dog shit toast I sure find dog shit toast
Starting point is 01:21:59 my pick is The Favorite best movie of the year oh I love The Favorite. Yes! Best movie of the year. Oh, I love The Favorite. I haven't seen it. Actually, this is part of my Killing Eve pitch. It's very similar in appeal in the sense of you are seeing women
Starting point is 01:22:14 in a world where men are irrelevant and so women get to occupy the full spectrum of emotion. They are calculating, they are sexual, they are grotesque, they are petty. Yes, can you do a smart way of saying how the favorite
Starting point is 01:22:27 is great okay because I I'm not smart enough to do it so it's by this guy Yorgos Lanthimos
Starting point is 01:22:35 also the most insane fucking part of this is that he makes like weird ass like Greek art movies and if you if I had walked
Starting point is 01:22:41 out of the lobster and someone had been like that dude's gonna have like three best actress nominees in two years I I would be like, what the fuck? Well, an interesting thing. This is also his first movie that he didn't write. Yes.
Starting point is 01:22:53 Which I think is good. A lot of times his movies are almost incorrectly labeled comedic because he uses Google Translate on his script. Oh, he does? Yes. That's why everyone talks like a robot. That's why everyone talks like a robot. That's why everyone talks like a robot in The Lost Ark. That's pretty gnarly. That's so Anne killing of a sacred deer. He has a very, he uses a lot of
Starting point is 01:23:11 fisheye lenses. It's very directed, but he didn't write the script, and the script is about, technically, it's about the court of Queen Anne in the early 18th century, but basically it's a lesbian love triangle where Olivia Colman plays a super mercurial queen. Yeah, she has gout.
Starting point is 01:23:28 She has every illness. Like there is literally a scene and she just gets to be like, she is the demanding, petty, absolute monarch to whom everyone must like cater, to whose whims everyone must cater. Like there's literally a scene where she stuffs her face with cake, stops to vomit, and then immediately starts eating cake again. It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Really? I laughed from beginning to end.
Starting point is 01:23:53 Rachel Wise plays her right-hand woman, who you find out pretty soon into the movie is also basically her side piece girlfriend. There's a lot of sex in the movie. Another thing, like Killing Eve, they don't beat around the bush. It's like, okay, they're not just close. But they do beat around the bush. Oh, they do. I haven't seen it.
Starting point is 01:24:12 I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. There are two straight up fingering scenes in the movie. Wait, so there's a fingering scene, there's a handjob scene, there's a throwing fruit at a naked fat guy scene. Hell yeah. It's so good.
Starting point is 01:24:26 Oh, I saw the screen grab of that. She's going to play the queen in The Crown, too, right? Yeah, in The Crown. She's going to play her own queen. Olivia Colman is wonderful. She used to be on Look Around You. She's in Fleabag. Yeah, she's in Fleabag.
Starting point is 01:24:39 She was on Peep Show for many seasons. Wonderful comedic actress. But in this, she plays every emotion. It's one of the best, she should win Best Actress. And it's also super interesting that she gets to do the fuck you, I'm Daniel Day-Lewis
Starting point is 01:24:53 slash Christian Bale thing of she gained 35 pounds for the role, but she's so good in it that that's not part of the conversation, unlike the conversation around Vice. Right, where they're like, can you believe I'm a lady love? Yeah, no, she's like,
Starting point is 01:25:04 and she's disgusting at times like where like she can't like open her eyes and see but it somehow does such a good job of like she is disgusting and mean and whatever but they it's not making fun of her it's more like the system that makes this person all powerful exactly yeah no they don't play that for jokes it It's like, that to me was like the most serious side of it. I'm just going to take this opportunity to shit on Vox Lux, but like Vox Lux is a movie about a pop star that is kind of about something similar. It's like a woman who's like cut off
Starting point is 01:25:35 from all like perspective and sense of normalcy. But like in Vox Lux, the script kind of treats her like this like pathetic baby who even though like literally part of the story is that she's a survivor of a mass shooting but it's still like oh like look at this like grotesque like sad addict whatever and it's just so much more contemptuous and with the favorite like it lets her be an idiot but it's not but she's also like not an idiot because she has one of the most cutting lines I've ever heard of. I like the way she puts her tongue inside of me.
Starting point is 01:26:11 It is like such a fucking like mic drop. Dude, I think my finger just broke. That sounds awful. It's so good. And it's also really similar to Phantom Thread. Yes. Which was my favorite movie of last year. My stupid blog.
Starting point is 01:26:22 Because it's just like they never leave the palace. It's three people who like have this constantly shifting power relationship between the three of them. Because Emma Stone is this cousin of Rachel Weisz's who shows up and is impoverished and slowly claws her way up the court. And she lost her title. She used to be a lady. Oh, okay. Yeah, so she starts as a maid and then becomes the favorite by working her way into the Queen's good graces. Yeah, it's just this game of manipulation, but also a comedy
Starting point is 01:26:45 and also Nicholas Holt. And the costumes. Nicholas Holt is so good. Really? Oh my god. We gotta watch it. I loved it. I think you're talking about a night tonight. It's so good. That's an excellent pick. I re-watched Barry Lyndon as soon as I finished it. Really wonderful.
Starting point is 01:27:02 Hard agree. Double feature. Barry Nyland. Allison, how about your third pick? Staying in movies. Cannot believe no one has done this yet. Very different from the favorite, but I'm going to go with Black Panther. Black Panther. Which was this year.
Starting point is 01:27:14 Was on my list. Which is crazy. Well, it's on everyone's list. What is the wildest thing that you can't believe was this year? Because I've been thinking about it a lot. For me, it's the Hawaii nuclear thing. Oh, shit. For me, it's this. The thing launched it in Hawaii, that was this year.
Starting point is 01:27:28 Because Hawaii had a huge hurricane thing happen after that. Oh, my God. God, what? Black Panther, February. I am not really a fan of Marvel stuff. Me neither. I feel very resentful that I have to go see it. I fucking hated Infinity War.
Starting point is 01:27:43 I love it. Give it to me all day. I liked Infinity War a lot. Oh, so bad. I'm to go see it. I fucking hated Infinity War. I love it. Give it to me all day. I liked Infinity War a lot. Oh, so did I. I'm stoked for Avengers 4. It was like Chinese water torture scene for that movie. I hate how forced it all feels
Starting point is 01:27:53 at this point. I love them. But like, Yana Strangehead, I'm a Dr. Strangehead. Bennett, you're a Cumberbatch. Yana Strangehead, he's Derek of the Faber.
Starting point is 01:28:01 Sean O'Connor, foremost Cumberbatch. Yeah, it was just, I find superhero movies at this point are so burdensome and they feel so forced and they're so weighted down by the weight of their own mythology and storytelling. And this was a 45-minute moving camera fight scene in all of them. Yeah, and this was like, okay, let's actually build a completely separate world that requires us to do a lot of like fun innovative like production design and art like all that part of the movie was absolutely incredible and then like the actual story of it was like i felt things and it has lots of ideas and it's like wrestling with shit like yeah i cannot believe that a disney finance movie includes the line like bury me at sea with my slave
Starting point is 01:28:42 ancestors because they knew that death was better than bondage yeah that isn't like a multi-billion dollar movie yeah no kugler fucks kugler kugler rules i love ryan kugler and black panther is amazing the first time i watched it though i was on a plane oh no and i got drunk and fell asleep and i missed 45 minutes of it so i woke up and i was like, I don't get the Black Panther thing. This movie sucks. Michael B. Jordan just shows up randomly in the middle. Michael B. Jordan can show up randomly
Starting point is 01:29:14 to any fucking thing that I'm a part of. The first time I watched it was on the flight to London. Me too. On the Xanax and drunk. And then the flight back, I was like, okay, I'll give it another chance. On the flight back, on a Xanax and drunk. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:25 And I don't know if that shaped my perception of it. I just don't care. I think there's like the movie where you go to like the Baldwin Hills AMC. Like you need to pick like the right movie to go see that. I've seen it four times and I don't think I like it. We landed. I bought it and I've watched it three times. I really love it.
Starting point is 01:29:42 It's really great. It was my second favorite superhero movie of this year. It was the first one, Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. I haven't seen it yet. No, it was the Avengers Infinity War. No! That would be fucking brutal. No. It does fucking rule. You do not get to rip off the leftovers and get any credit from yours
Starting point is 01:29:58 truly. That was a storyline way before the leftovers. No, man. The leftovers invented people disappearing. I don't know. No one else has. I just noticed Kirk Cameron in Left Behind. It was cool. I mean, like putting Chadwick Boseman's awesome. Saw him outside of the public house.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Ran into him at Little Dom's once. Did you really? When I was interviewing John Mulaney. Damn. And was John Hamm there, too? No, I just made a joke about it. But we were like two over from the Hamm booth. The Hamm booth.
Starting point is 01:30:27 Chadwick Boseman, great. I love him. Seriously. It is weird to see him play a not famous person. Yeah, this is the first time. It's weird that he's 40. He's 40? He's 40?
Starting point is 01:30:38 Yes, he might be like 41. He's 20 fucking two. Yeah. God, it's really disgusting. But MBJ, love MBJ. Fucking stoked on him. Michael B. Jordan, all fucking day. I love, see, I like enjoyed him. God, it's really disgusting. But MBJ, love MBJ. Fucking stoked on him. Michael B. Jordan all fucking day. I love, see, I like enjoyed him.
Starting point is 01:30:48 I enjoyed Forrest Whitaker. Yes. Guys, we got to talk about Letitia Wright and like all the ladies in this movie. Oh, they're awesome. Yeah, even the ongoes are awesome. Letitia Wright is. Letitia Wright to me was like the breakout star.
Starting point is 01:30:59 Yeah, of course. I'd seen her in like some British TV stuff. Like she's really. She's in that Black Mirror episode. Yeah, she's in a really good show called Cucumber Banana that's very niche and on Hulu. I'm just chilling for Hulu today. Is that a gay show? I was going to say...
Starting point is 01:31:12 No, it's about gay shit. It's literally named after dicks and a hardness scale that a sexologist came up with. Oh, okay. So, okay. I get it. But she plays a character's sister in a very small role. And I remember being like, oh, she's great. And it's really cool that now she's, like, super, super, super fucking famous.
Starting point is 01:31:31 Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. Do you want a cucumber or a banana? Now I can't guess. You want to be a cuke, right? Yeah, you want to be a cucumber. You want to be hard like a cuke. Yeah, I mean, the softest one is tofu.
Starting point is 01:31:41 Oh, okay. Because my worry is, like, I'm not the only one who you can peel their penis. No. I thought it was special. My penis is like Venus where it is held together, but technically there's nothing. You can just go right through it. It does have a shape. It does exist.
Starting point is 01:31:58 But it's a gaseous penis. Gaseous entity. Black panther. Hell yeah. Yeah. We could talk about it more But we Oh you know
Starting point is 01:32:06 We do go on We do go on Somebody put some Nickels in us Time for my third And fourth pick For my third pick I'm taking very specifically
Starting point is 01:32:13 Okay Well maybe actually Okay I'll zoom it out I'm gonna take Scorpion By Drake too Oh There you go Wow
Starting point is 01:32:19 Drake push it back to back Whoa There you go Yeah He lost the beef for sure But like we were saying But he won the war. I feel like he lost the battle
Starting point is 01:32:27 but won the war. That's all he's resting on. He's Drake sitting back. Well, look at the war in the sense of like, I just think they want different things and it's more like Pusha cannot impede Drake from being who he is.
Starting point is 01:32:36 No. Drake is in this round of world. Pusha can't do like In My Feelings, you know? No. Pusha can't do, how am I blanking on it? Drake is going to be a movie star.
Starting point is 01:32:46 Yes. Nice for what? Drake is going to be a movie star uh yes nice for what drake is gonna be a movie star he's gonna be in romantic comedy i mean he's on a different path push is not on that path pusha is an amazing rapper and that's just a great this was just like a great pop pop album with pop songs in it you know huh no i mean it is one of those classic like spotify core like 17 tracks oh yeah you make your own. You make your own Scorpion playlist. Where you're like, let me take seven of these songs. I mean, that's every Drake project now. It's like, he just gives you a sampler platter. He literally put out a CPP.
Starting point is 01:33:15 He literally put out a playlist before Scorpion. Oh, wait, was More Life also this year? Yeah, I think so. Oh, my God. That's my... He's a pop star. There's nothing wrong with that also I was
Starting point is 01:33:25 just trying to think of a way to say he lost the beef like a different way yeah I came up with it he's like he's like a
Starting point is 01:33:33 butcher in a tornado he lost the beef he lost the beef I love the way you introduced that I can see the gears turning on that one what butcher where
Starting point is 01:33:43 butcher where really built the hype but like I mean that God's plan was great non-stop I liked it 8 out of 10 I can see the gears turning on that one. What butcher where? Butcher where? Really built the hype. But like, I mean, God's Plan was great, nonstop. I liked 8 out of 10 quite a bit. Sandra's Rose was good, I thought. There were some good songs on here. It was probably my favorite Drake album. Yeah?
Starting point is 01:33:57 Oh, wow. Yeah, I know there's ones that are more... Take care to not do it for you? I don't know. I'm not a sad boy so much. Okay. Yeah. I like the party songs more. And I like when he pretends to be hard, because I'm like? I don't know. I'm not a sad boy so much. Okay. Yeah. I like the party songs more.
Starting point is 01:34:06 And I like when he pretends to be hard because I'm like, I don't have to believe it. I will say, when I was in Canada for JFL, the DJ played literally only Drake for an hour. Can you tell us a weekend song about it or anything? Maybe. I think we just didn't notice. He was like, we only have Canadian rap. Here comes Snow. Snow.
Starting point is 01:34:25 So that would make... The In My Feelings video is maybe the thing I've watched the most this year. You probably want to say, I want to say a hundred times I've seen that this year. And that opening is so funny. So I'm blind as a bat. I'm blind as a bat. Yes, ma'am. No, I know the whole neighborhood heard me.
Starting point is 01:34:44 So you had to have heard me, too. I want you to leave. And then at the end with that Shiggy, that Instagram guy, at the end of the video, he's hilarious, too. It's like one of the funniest things I've seen all year. Yeah. It's just the end of that video. And it can become a phenomenon. I mean, at the end of that video, again, they show all the people ending with Will Smith.
Starting point is 01:35:01 Well, and in my feelings being this whole meme, I was literally just the other day watching that one that like Will Smith did where he like flew a drone up a bridge in Budapest in Hungary and was dancing to it. Yeah, I mean, I think Drake is like
Starting point is 01:35:13 the best in the world at what he does. Yes, he is amazing. Stop being a former child actor texting child actors, Drake, it's weird.
Starting point is 01:35:20 I think he is like the single most successful former child actor. Like there are other like success stories. Him or Ron Howard, right? Ron Howard. I mean, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:35:30 Ron Howard directed Solo. He directed Solo, a Star Wars story. He got that performance out of Alden Aaron, right? Ron Howard directed Solo? Yeah, he rescued it after they fired Lord and Miller. Now, my question, what is the deal with Drake and Eleven from Stranger Things? Millie Bobby Brown? We're just not going to think about that.
Starting point is 01:35:52 I like to think that it's somebody who was a child star being like, hey, I know what it was like to navigate that. But I'm also terrified. Here's my Drake theory. It's a real soft science theory he talks a lot in songs like it was in uh in that oh fuck what's the one that was like the james torrell light installation video that was hotline bling uh and then also in it's when we get to talk in in my feelings he's seems to be obsessed a lot with women growing sexually since the last time he's had sex with them.
Starting point is 01:36:28 So like when we get to the top and I see that you've been learning, you know, and ever since I left the city, you... Yeah, that whole song is like, how dare you have sex with other people after we're no longer in a relationship. He seems to be really obsessed with like, or not obsessed, but like there's a lot of lines that tip the hand
Starting point is 01:36:43 where it's like, he wants unexperienced women. Yeah, it's like, I want someone who's hot, but like not someone who's like, or not obsessed, but like there's a lot of lines that tip the hand where it's like, he wants unexperienced women. Yeah, it's like, I want someone who's hot, but like not someone who's like quote unquote ruined. Like there's a lot of bad ideas. I honestly think there's like nothing untoward in that relationship. It's just like one more step in the like, Millie Bobby Brown definitely does not have the protections
Starting point is 01:37:00 that you want around a child star. Like I think her parents are definitely like stage parents. It's a little sad. A little I think her parents are definitely, like, stage parents. It's a little sad. A little sad. A little sad. Keep your heart, Millie Bobby Brown. Well, I sure hope it doesn't turn out that Drake is a pedophile.
Starting point is 01:37:14 I hope so, too. Oh, gosh. I will go on the record. My second theory is that he is, and that Sean Jordan's going to pick him next year. My second idea is the Roy Moore of Canada. I think we should have other people record
Starting point is 01:37:28 R. Kelly songs so we can still party to them. Hell yeah. That's a great idea. I think we need a remix and I believe I can fly. Only ignition. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:34 I believe I can fly. Party over here. We just have other people record them. Okay, so my fourth pick, Jesus, we need to speed through these next ones. Last round's gonna be light.
Starting point is 01:37:42 We'll do, this is completely, what is the word? I'm patting myself on the back here, even though I didn't really work on it too much. Oh, no, man. I'm taking the Paul McCartney carpool. That literally was my next pick. That was my next pick, too. That was my next pick.
Starting point is 01:37:56 It is the best in the four years we've been doing it, almost four years we've been doing the Late Late Show. It is by far the best thing we've ever done. It's the only thing that's ever made me cry. I cried. I cried not on a plane. Not the birth of my child. It's the only thing that's ever moved me. We did it on our show.
Starting point is 01:38:14 We filmed it in Liverpool. It made me cry a couple times. It was amazing. It was such a fun way to learn more about Paul McCartney and to get to see Paul McCartney's personality. Well, the impact that he's had on the world is just astonishing. It's wild.
Starting point is 01:38:28 I keep saying astonishing. It's crazy. He definitely had an interesting year. I don't think the album itself was that great, but the stuff he did to promote it, like the GQ profile was really interesting. The press stuff that he was doing around it. He was very willing to talk about stories
Starting point is 01:38:42 that he's never revealed before. And then also, I mean, just hearing him and watching him sing those songs in Liverpool, it was like kind of like it was breathtaking because I have been watching a lot of old movies recently. Yeah. And like a lot of the time I'm like, wow, this is like 1955. They didn't even know about the Beatles yet. The Beatles really did just dictate everything that happened from like 1964 on. Oh, of course. I mean, also, I don't know if you this is another thing that happened this year, but the
Starting point is 01:39:10 the Jan Wenner biography is so interesting because no one gives less of a fuck than old, rich rock stars. And they're all old enough now that they're just like saying everything. He was the Rolling Stone publisher. It's basically just like a biography of the Rolling Stone publisher and It's so great. Yeah, it's basically just like a biography
Starting point is 01:39:25 of the Rolling Stone publisher. And so like in the process of it, he just talks to like every famous person in the 60s and 70s. And they all shit talk about Jan, but they also shit talk about everyone else. Yeah. It's a good year for-
Starting point is 01:39:36 I ate George Michael's horse. We were all doing it. It was before I met Linda. George Harrison had taken quite a bit of peyote. Quite a bit. No homo. But it was just fucking awesome, man. It was like, on a personal level,
Starting point is 01:39:57 I was so proud to be associated with it and to get an associate producer credit on it and series chumming in. Wow, we get it. You work on the way to the late show, Ian. They gave me a producer credit. Shout out to Lauren Greenberg. It was fucking awesome,
Starting point is 01:40:10 but no, it was just like really, really cool to see, man. It was fun to see. And like, I mean, in an era where we have very little monoculture, you know, to see McCartney in Liverpool and like having like all these different generations of people like almost weeping because they got to like be in a pub with fucking Paul McCartney in Liverpool and having all these different generations of people almost weeping because they got to be in a pub with fucking Paul McCartney.
Starting point is 01:40:29 Yeah, dude. It was just cool. It was just good TV. Also, when we showed it, we did the London shows at that, it's like a church. It's like a Methodist church. Yeah, it's a Methodist church. But it also used to hold League of Nations meetings. It's right next to, what's that big cathedral? It's right next to Parliament. It's right next to what's that big
Starting point is 01:40:46 cathedral? It's right next to Parliament. It's right next to Westminster Abbey. Westminster Abbey. Yeah, and basically it's so old, they don't have air conditioning. Yeah, which sucks because we're there in July. It was very annoying working in there. But after it was over,
Starting point is 01:41:02 they go out on Hey Jude, the na-na. And the whole room, all these Londoners were singing the na-na part from Hey Jude and just kept doing it for five minutes afterwards. Like after the first time I'd seen it, not in an edit room. It was just a real cool moment. So I'm taking that. Done. Allison, time for your fourth pick.
Starting point is 01:41:22 Okay, I'm going to stay in music and I'm gonna do Ariana Grande hell yeah so not just her album but just like her whole thing this year she had a fucking year she had a crazy year and it's so insane to me that like at the same time that she's gone through like a lot of personal stuff she has also
Starting point is 01:41:38 like managed it so well in her career she just projects this like level of health and stability. I'm so unneced to see from famous people. Yes. Like, thank you.
Starting point is 01:41:49 Next. Literally. Someone was like, made a joke on Twitter about like someone give me Ariana's therapist number. And then she quote tweeted it and was like, this is funny, but like therapy helped me a lot. And like all of my fans should consider it if it is within your means.
Starting point is 01:42:02 And I was like, holy shit. She's awesome. It makes me feel really good. The teenagers are like, well, that's why Fox looks missed the mic your means. And I was like, holy shit. She's awesome. It makes me feel really good that teenagers are like in. Well, that's why Vox Lux missed the mark so much, right? I mean, like all the female pop stars that we have right now. Tweeting about like Vox Lux is so, it's like basically stuck in like a Britney Spears level of pop star.
Starting point is 01:42:17 And like all the major female pop stars we have right now, I feel like make a very big deal about being like, I make the decisions. Like whatever else you think of Taylor Swift, that is like her big thing. She's in charge. I love Taylor Swift. She is in charge.
Starting point is 01:42:28 Like she's in charge. Beyonce's in charge. Lorde is in charge. Like Lorde got famous at 16 and still managed to be in charge. Rihanna's in charge of a lot of shit. Rihanna's in charge of a lot of shit. I love Rihanna so much. Right.
Starting point is 01:42:41 Yeah. Like I think Ariana just had of those, of all the biggest stars. First of all, I think she like joined that pantheon this year. But, like, I think Ariana just had, of those, of all the biggest stars, first of all, I think she, like, joined that pantheon this year. Yes, no, this was her step. Like, she made the step to. Like, now she's Ariana.
Starting point is 01:42:51 Yeah. She's not just Ariana Grande. And, like, it is so crazy that she could go through something as, like, you know, breakdown year contentious as, like, oh, I had, like, a three-month summer fling slash engagement with, like, a minor SNL player. Yeah. like, a three-month summer fling slash engagement with, like, a minor SNL player. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:10 And, like, she somehow managed to, like, that whole time be like, this is, you know, this is me. Like, please don't think I'm, like, going through anything. Like, I kind of am, but, like, I'm on it. It was just really nice. Yeah. Be like, I'm fucking 25. Like, let me, like, have a stupid ill-advised day. For her to bounce out of, and it is interesting, I mean, to go from, to go from like like a quote failed very public relationship and then have the person she was romantically
Starting point is 01:43:29 linked to before that you know to you know die away pass away and then to like come out of that and be like still like mentally stable and not like you know getting chased around by tmz and like succumbing to those pressures and stuff like that. A shooting at her show. A shooting in Manchester? Yeah. Oh my God. She's going back. Yeah. She's going to do a big concert there.
Starting point is 01:43:49 Fucking gangster. I never had an opinion either way about Ariana Grande. It's not like I, you know, I always enjoyed the music. I like pop music. But this year I'm like,
Starting point is 01:43:56 I like her. She's dope. And I was never like, I don't like her. She manages to come across like an individual, level-headed, like really strong-willed person.
Starting point is 01:44:06 I just got so much respect for her this year. I'm like genuinely rooting for her. Yeah, she's killed it. Yeah, it's really great. It's been a great year for her and like also a tough year. But that kind of just makes it even better. It also makes it killer fucking music. Yes.
Starting point is 01:44:19 That just means it was her year. What? It was her year. Yeah. That just means it. Sorry. I What? It was her year. Yeah. That just means it. Sorry. I was just doing a. So much gravity on that one.
Starting point is 01:44:28 Yeah. I put so much. I put a little bit of steak on it. I don't know why we did that. We already said that like five times. Everybody. One thing's for sure. It is her year.
Starting point is 01:44:40 Damn, son. Yeah, and the album goes really hard. And I also cannot believe that Thank U, Next like I'm sure it was probably like a pre-existing song that they adjusted the lyrics to but like
Starting point is 01:44:49 the fact that she presented it like oh I just fired this off like in response to what I'm feeling right now and it is a
Starting point is 01:44:53 gigantic pop smash earworm like I she's not like a super because she's so R&B
Starting point is 01:45:00 a lot of her songs aren't like the most single slash chorus sing-along friendly and then she just like turned around and like dumped this which isn't even part of her songs aren't the most single slash chorus sing-along friendly. And then she just turned around and dumped this, which isn't even part of her album. And it's dominating. Wild, right?
Starting point is 01:45:10 Yeah. This is how big she became this year. I watched this Mickey Mouse's 90th birthday thing on ABC. And now there are people who are ripping off Ariana Grande and it was like this 16 year old girl who was doing like that kind of breathy singing that Ariana Grande does but she was like having an orgasm to a
Starting point is 01:45:36 Little Mermaid song and it's like what are these feet like what these are really not the thing you want to mention These feet. Feet is really not the thing you want to mention when you're sounding really sexual. Feet.
Starting point is 01:45:51 Oh, what are they called? Feet. I remember when everyone was like, oh, she's just like a B-less Mariah. And no one would accuse her of that now. Which is fine. Yeah, I mean, also, that means her voice is fucking amazing.
Starting point is 01:46:07 Seriously. We could only compare her to the woman with the greatest voice of all time. Also, speaking of former child stars, someone who has managed that very well. Okon, start for you with fourth pick. Okay, fourth pick. Honestly, it brought me a lot of joy this year
Starting point is 01:46:26 It's the The running joke in eighth grade Of someone just going LeBron James I just loved it You know who was having a big year this year? That meme It got into a movie
Starting point is 01:46:40 I loved it And you mentioned earlier Queer Eye is something where it's like you're all sitting next to each other crying. That happened. I saw it with my friend who is like also my age,
Starting point is 01:46:51 also a woman. And like at that point where they're around the campfire and she just says like, do I make you sad? Because, oh my God, I'm literally choking up right now. Like if I had a kid
Starting point is 01:47:02 who was like me, like that would make me sad. And just, you could literally hear both of us just go like, and then for like five minutes, we just had tears like streaming down our faces and just like weren't looking at each other because we were both in our like private,
Starting point is 01:47:18 just like sob moments. You don't want to look at someone when you're crying. It was really tough. But yeah, I thought that movie was incredible. I just wish I was there to see you guys crying so then I could put my head in between your heads and go, LeBron James. The kid who did the LeBron James also did a DeMarcus Cousins one. That might be even better. What?
Starting point is 01:47:39 Yeah. DeMarcus Cousins. DeMarcus Cousins. DeMarcus Cousins. I didn't know that. It's so good. I love it. Spoiler alert. DeMarcus Cousins shows DeMarcus Cousins. DeMarcus Cousins. I didn't know that. It's so good. I love it. Spoiler alert.
Starting point is 01:47:47 DeMarcus Cousins shows up in the last one. It was really crazy. I cannot believe a dude made that movie. Like it is so, as someone who also like. I think Bo Burnham. Yeah. Yeah. Bo Burnham did an amazing job.
Starting point is 01:47:57 And also like specifically, I obviously like didn't have Snapchat when I was that age, but I feel like when I was that age, that was when like AIM was a thing. And then like Facebook became a thing literally going into ninth grade. So you are younger than us. I'm so old. I'm back to that age. Yeah, we used to call it AOL Instant Messenger, AIM.
Starting point is 01:48:17 Oh my God. So different. You dumb child. You're a baby. So different. But yeah, I remember that feeling of like, oh, we're gonna get really into different. But yeah, like I remember that feeling of like, oh,
Starting point is 01:48:27 like we're going to get really into this. Our parents don't understand what it is so they're not going to tell us that we can't do it. And then also like
Starting point is 01:48:32 we're too young and too insecure to like have a handle on it so it feels super important. Like I remember people going into school the next day
Starting point is 01:48:40 and like talking about their AIM conversations. Yeah. And it was like AIM drama. First time I hooked up was via an AIM hell yeah you cybered i did well this year you did set up a uh irl cool what was it i did cool g86 sticky mcjill i did lose my virginity
Starting point is 01:48:59 through an aim conversation like yeah oh wow that's crazy a.m see it was called aim people were fucking sean jordan tell me your fourth and final picks all right uh imagine we're gonna rip through these so um i'm gonna pick uh for my fourth pick it was gonna be paul mccartney you shithead i'm kidding you're my best friend i love you um i'm gonna pick uh travis scott sicko mode man yeah i never really again never gave a fuck about Travis Scott before that, and I was like... A lot of people didn't. I remember David came over to the crib, and he put it on, and he's like, this dude can
Starting point is 01:49:31 fucking rap. Yeah. And I listened to it, and I was like, holy fuck, it's this dude can't fucking rap. Also, his, uh, those baby blue sneakers he released this year. Ooh, the Cactus Jacks? Yeah. Yeah, the Cactus Jacks. He put out some fucking Dove Jordans. Yeah. Yeah. They are one of my favorite sneakers. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:46 Just that song just knocks. We put it on at the office Christmas party? Yeah. Big time. Big time. Every Uber you call between the hours of 6 p.m. and 2 a.m. Friday and Saturday in Los Angeles. We'll have to Uber around tonight.
Starting point is 01:50:00 If they're not playing it, I'll tell you who's playing it. Your boy with their aux cord, you know? I love how Drake on there, let's go back to Drake. He's in a hugely popular rap song. He's mostly just talking about sleeping on a flight. 13 hours till I land, like bragging about taking a long flight. Oh, that does sound cool. I also got a sciatic nerve condition from the exact same thing, Greg.
Starting point is 01:50:19 Back problems, Aubrey. Some of us over here with real life back problems, Graham. Doctor says I need to bachyotomy. Pulmonary embolism from not getting up and stretching my legs. I thought that's what I had! And then it turned out to be a sciatic nerve thing. And then your fifth pick? And we'll make this a speed round. Now this is unfortunate because I haven't
Starting point is 01:50:38 seen it, but I feel like I can pick it anyways. I'm picking mid-90s. It's crazy that I haven't seen it. It's crazy that I haven't seen it. That is crazy that you haven't seen it. We saw a better skateboard thing this year. It's crazy that i haven't seen it it's crazy that i haven't seen it but that is crazy you haven't seen it it is a better skateboard thing this crazy that i haven't seen i mean no oh minding the gap yeah that's what i was talking about we did watch it's amazing it is hard to watch i'm just picking mid 90s because i just know that it's spot on culturally for escape it's the only good skateboard movie there's ever been gle Gleaming the Cube wasn't actually a good movie.
Starting point is 01:51:06 Grind fucking sucked. Street Dreams was ridiculous. And I, again, I haven't seen it, but I just, I know. You should go ask someone who has seen the movie of which we are talking. I've heard the language is very problematic, but. Well, it's more, like, it's this weird thing where it's kind of trying to straddle the line between being nostalgic and being, and being critical of the culture. And it's trying to do a good thing.
Starting point is 01:51:29 I just think he's a first-time writer-director. He just doesn't have that nuance yet. So I really remember someone saying this in a podcast about that Steve Jobs movie. But they were saying, I feel like I just watched a really damning case for the prosecution. And then at the very end, the dude was like, and the defense rests. Well, it's not like skateboarders are,
Starting point is 01:51:48 they're not good people. All of them, you know what I mean? I was a shitty kid just like that. It's basically telling like a really sad story about like a lost kid who kind of finds some like shitty role models. And like, it's very self-aware about like one of them wants to be more professional, but then like the others are kind of like wasting their time.
Starting point is 01:52:02 There's a lot of like not good family stuff kind of around the edges yeah and it's like weirdly sad in some ways but then at the very end it literally ends with just like a skate montage that the tone of which reads very like look at all the fun times we just had oh yeah and it's a little like there's a great skateboarding movie that came out this year as well called Skate Kitchen about a female skate group. Yeah. Super fun. It has this awful family plot line that fucking takes you out of it. Well,
Starting point is 01:52:30 Minding the Gap is incredible because it's about, so it's literally about skateboarding, like capitalism, the erosion of the rust belt, like abuse,
Starting point is 01:52:42 trauma. It's just, it wraps up all these big ideas just by like following a few people's lives and then the filmmaker himself you find out is like a survivor
Starting point is 01:52:52 of like physical abuse in his home. It's just, it's incredible. Definitely recommend it. Shanzo Kanz, yeah. Okay, quick, last pick. The favorite's my second favorite movie of the year. My first favorite movie
Starting point is 01:53:04 is a movie called Thunder Road. Everyone should watch it. It's fucking incredible. It's about an hour and a half. It's just about a cop. Right, you like them right around an hour and a half. Right around 90. It's about a cop whose life is destroyed
Starting point is 01:53:20 based on the eulogy he gives at his mom's funeral. Really? Oh, so it's like BoJack Horseman the movie. I guess so. It's super funny. It's truly the only time I've ever seen a character like this. And the guy who wrote, directed, and starred in it, it's so charismatic.
Starting point is 01:53:39 It felt like seeing Danny McBride the first time. Oh, really? Oh, wow. It's a character who the whole movie you're just waiting for him to fully explode. And it just builds tension that way. It's amazing.
Starting point is 01:53:53 Nice. I've heard good things. It's just never, never got around to it. I haven't seen it. Yeah, I haven't either. That's what this round is for. Hard recommend.
Starting point is 01:54:00 Yeah. Allison, do you have your final pick? All right. We briefly touched on this earlier, but I'm going to go with Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat. Hell yeah. So Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat was a cookbook or like it's kind of a cookbook, but it's mostly like trying to teach you how to cook so you don't need cookbooks. It's basically just like it's sort of like the food lab and there is a lot of science in it, but it's also very like warm and conversational because she is this like Bay Area guru who trained at Chez Panisse and so it's very like affable and conversational and like
Starting point is 01:54:30 very focused and patient like it just broadcast patience even though it's a book and so the book became like this huge cult classic among home cooks but then they turned it into a Netflix show and I feel like there's not like an immediate, you don't quite, like you don't read the book and are like, I want to see a TV version of this. It's just kind of like, oh, that's interesting. I'll watch that. And then it turns out, you know, she's also an incredibly charismatic on-camera presence. Yeah, she's so likable. Which is so rare. Like, I mean, I work with a few people who fit under this category, but it is insane to me that writing and performing are two totally separate skills. And it's really crazy that someone happens to have both of them.
Starting point is 01:55:12 But yeah, like she's amazing. And basically every episode is dedicated to one of the four building blocks. And then she just goes to a country and like illustrates how the principles of cooking are universal. And so like you can go to Italy and like the, the main fat there is, like, pork fat. And, like, you eat gelato. But you could also – Or olive oil. Yeah, and olive oil.
Starting point is 01:55:31 And, like, focaccia. Like, you could just – but you could just as easily, like, go to France and do it about butter or, like, whatever. And then, like, the salt episode is in Japan. And then the heat episode is just her, like, cooking in Berkeley. And it's a really interesting hybrid of like that Anthony Bourdain style. I'm just like going to go to cool places around the world. But then also like that Ina Garten, I'm going to like welcome my friends into my kitchen and like just talk you through as I make things and host a really nice looking dinner party. And yeah, she's wonderful.
Starting point is 01:56:02 Fantastic. It's really good. Netflix nails those food shows. And that was really good. You're out of breath. What are we talking about? I'm out of breath. You're out of breath. Salt, fat, acid's wonderful. Fantastic. It's really good. Netflix nails those food shows, and that was really good. You're out of breath. What are we talking about? I'm out of breath. You're out of breath. Salt, fat ass, and heat, baby.
Starting point is 01:56:09 I'm going to make my final pick now, and I'm going to take the Mac Miller Tiny Desk Concert. Oh, that was this year, huh? It was this year. Yeah, it was this summer. Oh, God. Before his final album. It's so good. Thundercat said that he's got Thundercat like playing bass and then just the
Starting point is 01:56:25 triangle on one of the songs. It's just like, if you want to realize who we're missing out on, cause he had, you know, he started out as like YouTube rap and like backpacking. People had some opinions about him that were just fucking crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:38 I mean, you can't be wrong with an opinion, but this guy, dude, you should watch the Mac Miller time. Yeah. It was weird. Like I didn't really engage with his work, and then after
Starting point is 01:56:45 he passed, people were sharing stuff, and I was like, oh, man. He seems like a great guy. Some of the people in our comedy community knew him. He was right there. He was right there. He was fucking right there. It's really sad. I'm glad that I finally got to know his work, but it sucks to
Starting point is 01:57:02 go into that knowing you're not going to see any more from him. But yeah, check that out. It's one of my favorite things this year. Hell yeah. So just to recap, Sean Jordan, 2018, you went first. You took A Star is Born, the Queer Eye reboot, Atlantis, Robin's season, Sicko Mode, and then Mid-90s.
Starting point is 01:57:19 Strong lineup. You've got to get around to seeing it. You've got to get around to seeing it. I know. Sean O'Connor, you went Succession, Mitski, The Favorite, LeBron James, and then Thunder Road. Allison Herman, you took Killing Eve, Nanette, Black Panther, Ariana Grande,
Starting point is 01:57:34 and Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat. I got the order right, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went last. I took Red Dead Redemption 2, Daytona, Scorpion, the Paul McCartney carpool, and the Mac Miller tiny desk. You got the most grab bag you ever did.
Starting point is 01:57:48 I really did. I think I might have the least fun one. Mine is obviously watching things while my kid goes to sleep. Sean Jordan and I, I think you two have the best ones. Thank you. But mine is very honest to who I am.
Starting point is 01:58:04 Deeply, deeply. And mine very honest to who I am. Deeply, deeply. And mine is honest to who I am which is just a faux intellectual. Just a piece of shit. We left some great stuff on the board. Billions, season two. Season three. Gritty, the big cow.
Starting point is 01:58:20 Oh, Gritty's good. Big cow. That's pop culture. Minding the Gap was so good. Oh, Gritty's good. The Big Cow. The Big Cow. That's pop culture. Minding the Gap was so good. God, we watched that. Won't You Be My Neighbor? And The Man Who Sold the World in Back to Back. That's an old skateboard documentary, but there. Damn, yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:33 Detroiters. Detroiters, RIP. The Finesse with Cardi B and Bruno Mars. Oh, that's a long one. That song, dude. I'm trying to think of what else was on our list that I didn't, on my TV list that I didn't mention. Oh, the good fight on CBS All Access. No one on earth has seen it, but it is so fucking good.
Starting point is 01:58:50 I heard it's so good. Oh, I had Twitter meltdowns on my list, but I just didn't take it. That's good. We shouldn't talk about Twitter when we're celebrating things. We want to hear your, yeah, my comedy special on Netflix. Thank you, Sean. 15 minutes of fire. We want to hear yours.
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