All Fantasy Everything - 2024 Pop Culture (w/ Alison Herman)

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. Welcome to another brand new episode of All Fantasy Everything, the podcast that fantasy drafts anything and everything from the year 2024 in pop culture. This is it. This is the 2024 pop culture draft. Two weeks delayed, but no less enjoyed. Give us a little extra time. Everyone can talk. Oh, I guess today's Allison Herman.

I need no introduction. You can skip over me. Allison needs no introduction. Allison Herman is a television critic at Variety. Heard of it? It's true. Little industry paper here in the city of Los Angeles, which is LA Strong. What the hell are we supposed, what are we saying?

Is there an official hashtag? I don't know, man, I hate that, I don't know. I haven't seen one, hasn't happened yet. Allison, myself, and Isaac Lee are all here in Los Angeles doing okay. I guess we have to talk about it, but Allison's here. Yeah, you're LA Strong. We're LA, we're LA Strong, we're doing-

Could you say like still rolling, like some sort of film pun? I don't know. We are a, the fire was a royal pain. The outcome is still a complete unknown, but. I'm on the substance. We're gonna gather in a conclave, figure out what comes next.

There's a mysterious substance in the air. And, you know. We're wicked proud of all the first responders. You just said twisters, okay, okay. Twisters. LA twisters. Here we are. Sorry I was gone last week.

There was a fire. Yeah, man. It's kind of the best excuse to not be, there was a fire is like, you really can't, nobody can really say anything about that. It really trumps everything. Hey, I'm sorry, there was a fire. Trump, by the way, Sean, pre recording.

I'm not saying how much he loves him. Really. No, I don't, I don't like, you must've misunderstood me, David. He loves all the new material. I don't care for the guy. He said, I can't, I don't like, you must've misunderstood me, David. I said I don't care. He loves all the new material. I don't care for the guy. He said, I can't wait till he finishes the hour. Mm-hmm.

It's good. Yeah. Oh, it'd be a treat. I think he said the Greenland stuff has legs, is what he was saying, right? Yeah. I'm sure he thinks he's good at stand-up, so. The Gulf of America.

The Gulf of, the Gulf of America. That's a cartoon. I mean, eight years ago, I had a stand up bit that was, sorry to say, I had a stand up bit about this, but I just, I don't wanna like act like I just came up with this. He should be the king. Don't worry, nobody saw it.

He should, oh. Damn, sorry. Okay. Sorry. I thought I wasn't getting burnt during this fight, but I guess I did. No response to that, but it's fine did. Uh, no response to that. We all texted earlier. We're like, don't laugh at anything he says.

If he was the king of America, it would be a delight if he was like a completely powerless Monarch who just represented all of our most indulgent qualities, the way the British Monarchy does. That's what I want. Have him show up to games. Yeah. I'm going to say the only thing worse than I had a stand up bit, which is I saw a tweet once that was, it was like he did something insane in the like post January 6th time when

he was just kind of like knocking around Newsmax and someone was like, is there any way we can neutralize him as a threat to democracy and just keep him around as a permanent court jester? Because... It would be amazing. He just wants the respect and we should give him a yearly income and the title of King of America. And I think we'd all be better off for it.

Mm-hmm. I did see, I had a friend who was like, if we do the Canada merger, that's how, we can make him king, and then America can be a parliamentary system, and then we solve democracy. That would be great, that would be amazing. Also Tim Hortons. Tim Hortons?

Yeah, I can't be hung. Tim, that's huge. I go up to the Yukon territory and finish what I started. The Mississippi River is just maple syrup. Yeah. We have Woonies and Toonies. We have, but the Loonies are still in the, we have, but the loonies are still the hip hop group, but the toonies are the money.

Well, the toonies are actually a Warner brother merger. It's actually got the loony tunes on them. The toonies got toonies on them. Toony, toony, toonies. Is that anything? You got a song called no loot. Did anyone take the remaining two weeks or the two weeks that we bled over into 2025 to catch up on 2024 pop culture? Because I definitely did.

I took like, I did the general deep dive that I do when in doing these, not like too much extra, but the standard stuff. Notoriously, I'm bad at this, so I just kinda kept doing what I was doing. Well, it's gonna be huge geological events you can, or astronomical events you can draft this year. It's gonna come up, Carmel.

This is your first time joining us for a pop culture draft. Every year since the inception of AFE, Allison has joined us to draft the year in pop culture and that's what we're doing here today. It's a lot of fun. Sean took a few years ago. Every year I find out a little bit more about what pop culture actually is and it's good for me. I feel like you only had the one year that was that rough. Yeah, but I get scared every year. You know what I mean?

I'm already sweating. I'm sweating already. You play bad when you play scared. That's true. Your instincts are up. I cut the heels off my shoes so I got to stay on my toes. That's right. Can't back up.

Is that a saint? An alpha taught me that. I've been talking to a lot of alpha males. Alpha Romeo, right? Yeah. Bro, I got this alert because I'm following that LA scanner just to keep track with whatever's going on in LA. Oh yeah, dude.

Okay, yeah. I sent it to you guys. The tweet said, LAPD investigating an armed robbery. Victim was robbed of a Louis Vuitton coat iPhone 15 Pro Max key to an Alfa Romeo Louis Vuitton wallet and then Versace purse and a thousand dollars, but up until Versace purse I Thought Isaac got robbed at gunpoint. I think we're on a date You don't think I have a person

You don't think I'm Absolutely seen Isaac Lee wearing Versace branded clothing. That's true. I've seen it. My wallet is Versace. I don't think you would blend your Versace purse with your Louis Vuitton coat. That's all I'm saying. I think you would have a little bit more decorum than that. I appreciate that. Do you not do that? Is that like Nike and Adidas? I wrote a rap song about it. Isaac was ghost writing. Just to come on it too.

No you wrote it. I produced it. I don't know what rap terms. Isaac was ghost writing just to come on it to Those were your words I didn't write those words. I'm just a caveman But do you not cross do you not cross like Louie Versace all that stuff or you kind of got a blanket it? I don't know that's I'm a millennial in that I want to be a mono designer doubt at all times I think it's just our age It could be it could be goddamn Kirkland signature It doesn't matter what it is. Yeah, doesn't matter. Carhartt, Polo, whatever it is.

It could be goddamn Kirkland signature. I want it. I want to be drenched in it. I feel weird. Like, what do you stand for? You know, like people can't trust you if I'm out here in a Carhartt shirt and Levi's pants. And also, listen.

Also, Louis Versace is like French and Italian and like you can't have those two on the same team. That feels wrong. Well, Louis Versace is my bookie. That's who Louis Versace is he's cool we saw Napoleon Napoleon Bonaparte try to unite France and Italy and that didn't end up well yeah we all saw that movie Louis Versace is the guy who's gonna shoot the I'm gonna be on that extra Chinese app. Sean Jordan is here, Sean is short on Twitter,

Sean Cougar Melon Jordan on Instagram. Where can people see you? Apply your wares. I'll be in Fort Collins in March, and if I could have a second, I will find the date. I just remembered that as we were talking. Yeah. And other, it's gonna be, maybe it's not March. March 21st a second I will find the date. I just remembered that as we were talking.

Yeah. And other, it's gonna be, maybe it's not March, March 27th through March 29th, I'll be in Fort Collins. And if David Bowie's in town, maybe he comes up. Maybe he does some jokes, you know? He might do it. Maybe we talked about it, maybe we talked about it. While I'm thinking about it,

can I tell you a little story about lunch with Zach Tuscani yesterday? I would love if you did, yeah. Just while I'm thinking about it, can I tell you a little story about lunch with Zach Disconnie yesterday? I would love if you did, yeah. Just while I'm thinking about it, I know this is a plug section, but I don't wanna lose it. Plug the lunch. We went to Fire in the Mountain, it was great. I haven't been in a while, it was really good.

I haven't been in years. You still the voice? That was during COVID, so I don't know if I still know when you call. So we go in and I'm getting a soda and Zach goes to the bathroom and then he comes out and I was like, what's up dickhead? And I didn't really look at him

and then I turned around and I was going, where you wanna sit motherfucker? And I looked and who I was talking to wasn't Zach. And so, dude, some guy came out of the bathroom and I was like, what's up? I go, what's up dickhead? And I didn't look at him. And then when I turned around, he was just staring and I was like, what's up? I go, what's up dickhead? And I didn't look at him. And then he was, when I turned around,

he was just staring at me. Like we're gonna sit fucking. And then I was like, I'm my god. I almost like hit my knees. And I go, I am so sorry, I am so sorry. And then Zach walked by and he saw me apologizing to this guy and he thought that we were, that we were fighting or something.

I was like, I just called this guy dickhead and I thought he was you. And the guy's like, he goes, I talked to my buddies the same way, but I apologize pride 10 times. Did they got a lot of fun? Was he laughing? He laughed.

He was laughing a lot. To be fair, how many men with Jesus hair are there in the Portland metropolitan area? Getting wings in the daytime? Anyone could make that mistake. Getting wings in the daytime, it's a guarantee. There's a lot. A lot of rugby fans.

Zach has a unique aura. Were you even catching this guy outside of your, like in the corner of your eye, or were you just fully behind the back Steve Nash? I just saw just a guy who was as tall as me. It's full of him in there, but I really, and I'm not a big swear in public like that kind of person where it's like, where the fuck you wanna sit?

But I did for some reason and I don't really do that a lot. I think it's uncouth. You had wing madness. Yeah, I had the sickness. I cured it. What'd you get? What was your order? I, see this is where nobody wants to hear it.

I always get chicken tenders and I get like three sauces on the side plus ranch and blue cheese and fries. You're dipping those candies? But I don't get wings. Huh? You're dipping those tendies? Yeah, I dip them like crazy. The condiment is what I like about a wing spot.

It's for the best that you don't get wings. We've all seen you eat wings, man. You eat wings. It's upsetting. It's like a little, like a French poodle on a pillow. There's so much meat left on that thing. Yeah, there is. Last time we were Denver, Janay got mad at me. Especially on a pillow. There's so much meat left on that thing. Yeah, there is. Especially, especially on the flats. Yeah.

You just fight like the one side of the flat and then it's over. I don't like the chewy little nubules on the end. I don't care for them. Well, maybe you don't think of them as chewy little nubules. Rather, just as chicken wing, you'd be a happier camper. I've known people who don't like meat on the bone though So I get it me is it is too visceral. Yeah, bone me out. I'm a bone out always have been I don't know that's what that that's what you say when you go to prison Bone me out and then I'm a bone out That's your second single? Bone Me Out.

Bone Me Out? That's what you said, you said Bone Me Out. I did, I did. Bone Me Out. I don't know how well that would go over, man. We can put anything on Spotify, so let's write it. Bone Me Out from the north to the south. There he goes!

Yeah. Dude, pen name Louis Versace boned me out. Oh, man. Ay, ay, ay. David Borey is here, Coolguyjokes87 on Instagram. You can phone him out at the following locations. Guess where I'm going. I'm going to Sean Jordan's backyard.

I'm going to his hometown, his town of his birth. I'm gonna be in rapid, South Dakota City, whatever April 4th and 5th Are you gonna get arrested what are you doing there for two days? It's called the West River Comedy Club. West River ain't where it's at, baby. Oh no. Yeah. And also March 14th, I'm gonna be at the Commonwealth

in Kentucky, the Cincinnati area there, the Commonwealth Comedy Club, and trying to plan Minneapolis and Chicago for that same weekend. You're kinda widening up this tour a little bit, huh? You taking the hour on the road? Yeah, I think that it's at a point where it's like, okay, I gotta, I gotta take it out to get it as good as it's gonna be. You know what I mean? Like it's as good as it's gonna be having written it and kept it inside. Now I gotta like start taking it out.

So hopefully we'll have something, you know, that is an act at the end act by the end of the summer. Sean, what kind of lessons would you say that, what is it, Rapid City? Rapid City, South Dakota has to, what kind of lessons does Rapid City, South Dakota have to teach? Well, this isn't my first time in Rapid City, South Dakota. Oh, that's right.

I know. They had to close the club because someone got stabbed. Yeah, so they moved the club to the arcade. I would say brush up on your pawn shop terminology and learn about topaz and turquoise. Get more rings. I remember a lot of security guards being worried about knives.

OK, yeah. Right. You should watch Deadwood. Just get up on your South Dakota lore. Start talking like elsewhere engine. Only one cocksucker. I got to start, I started the hard parts. You know what I mean? I start this tour. I bone out. You gotta bone out.

I bone out. I bone out. On tour. Bone me out while you're at it. I tried to bone you out. I was like, could Sean open? They were like, fuck you. David, tell me that. And you're serious. Are you serious? I swear to God. They were like, you can.

The money is not going to be what you would like. OK. Oh, well, I thought you said they were going to. I thought you were going to tell me. They said no. And then I was just going to go. No, no. I was like, totally.

I was like, I would love for Sean. And they were like, I mean, yeah, if he wants to. But it's not like. Yeah, but I get to go see the city that killed my dad, so that's fine. Well, you have a vendetta, that's good. A vendetta. Use that on stage. I'm just gonna stand at the top of Honey Peak.

A vendetta. Bone me out at the top of Honey Peak, or whatever it's called now. There's been a vendetta breach. Or whatever it's called now. You think they renamed mountains? They changed the name, because he's a bad guy. Oh, so they do?

Oh, okay, my bad. They did, I forget what they changed it to, but then, oh no, who did I, I was back, oh, who was I talking to? It's January Jones, mountain man. They renamed it Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Mountain. Exactly. Mountain X.

Guy who doesn't suck mountain. Yeah. My stepdad's in the car, he doesn't know what a podcast is. Hold on, Mountain X was Guy who doesn't suck mountain. Yeah. My stepdad's in the car. He doesn't know what a podcast is. Hold on, Mountain X was very funny. And he deserves a moment. But they changed it. My stepdad's like,

so what are we gonna change them all now? I'm like, maybe, why not? And he's like, well then we gotta change the street names. And I'm like, it's fine. Fine. Who gives a shit? The mountain doesn't know. The mountain's name is probably like Earl or something. He has no idea people are calling him Haney Pig.

You're still not getting a stepfather's day card so don't worry about it. See, maybe that will fix it. Do they get a special day? He rules, I like him. He's a good dude. He's just, you know, Midwestern. Stepdad special day is when you're at

the other parents for Christmas. I was gonna say, I'm gone. Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! It's, ironically, it's the day they wanna not spend with you. Yeah. And he just settles into his easy recliner,

whatever, he's like, my house. Fiery, the living room's just for Roy. Gotta watch that new Matlock. Puts in a CD. It's really good. I The living room's just for Roy. You gotta watch that new Matlock. Puts in a CD. It's really good. I hear it's really good. Kathy Bates. To no one's surprise, my wife is enjoying it thoroughly

while I'm enjoying Landman. Well, hey. Oh, is that, I thought that just came out, sorry. No, no, that came out. That great segue indeed. Alison Herman is here. Hello. Aherman2006 on Twitter.

Across platforms. All across the platforms. What a weird. You can vote now. What's that? You can vote. I'm just saying if you were born in 2006, it fell flat and I shouldn't have forced it in.

Oh crazy, you can. No, I don't like that at all. Alison, we can vote. You can vote if you were born in 06? If you're a man born in 06. You're a property owner. Alison, you have a Substack. They can find you writing in Variety. What else? Well, it is true. I started Substack to talk about food stuff.

So that goes out on Sundays, ahermond2006.substack.com. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert.

I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I'm also a food expert. I started Substack to talk about food stuff. So that goes out on Sundays, aherman2006.substack.com.

I'm also on Letterboxd. That's a social platform. And for five more days, I guess I'm technically on TikTok although I don't post anything. No, what's gonna happen? Is it going away? Is it gonna happen? They either have to sell it or, Alice, you might know more than me.

My understanding is like, it will not be in the app store and you can't update it, but it's not gonna like disappear from your phones. But the latest thing I saw is that all these like extremely online people are downloading Red Note, which is an actual Chinese app. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. And are just like, I'm just gonna go all in. Like if I can't subscribe to the American version

of a Chinese app, I'm just gonna go to the source. These are- Whoa. I've seen people say Red Note. We'll have Shane bring us back some Red Note. And I don't understand. Is this what my grandpa thought about DVDs? Is this where he was just like,

because I can't even wrap my head around all this stuff. He's like, we got a video closet in this house. We have a walk-in closet. Yeah. They take off a lot of room, and they have to be rewound. They're not just ready whenever. Yeah, you know Titanic. That's two tapes.

I used to think, like, it's so easy. Well, you just put it in, and you hit a button, and then it plays. What's so hard to understand about that? But, like, it's so easy what you just put it in and you hit a button and then it plays what's So hard to understand about that, but like it would be hard for older generations Sometimes like comprehend this stuff and that is how I feel about this stuff, but it does feel like a larger Gulf Well, this is a go-nowhere riff I don't It's social social theorizing, you know, yeah, it's not, yeah, quite like. It's social theorizing, you know? It's beyond comedy. It is, which is how I would describe

everything I've been up to for the last year. Do you feel like you care less? Because that's where I'm at, where I'm like, oh, I feel older, I focus on, like now I honestly just want to go walk around the neighborhood a little bit. And that's, you know, that's me getting older too, and I care less, and I'm more at ease with the fact that I care a little bit less. So maybe that's how they older too and I care less and I'm more at ease with the fact

that I care a little bit less. So maybe that's how they felt with DVD players too where they're like, that's for you, I don't really care. I'll stick to my VHSs or whatever. Shane Torres held my son yesterday. I don't care about anything anymore. Yeah, he held my daughter. Oh, okay, you want one out there?

Now they're bound, they're bound by Shane. All things are bound through the center of the universe, Shane Torres. He's done it. I felt so bad. My son did not stop crying the entire time Shane held him. Maxine, because when last time Shane was here, he looked like the Undertaker,

and she was like shy for a minute. You know what I mean? She came around though, she loves him, she's asking about him after he left. Check out Alison's sub stock. Artie's great, dude. Artie's got his own podcast, it's on the Rogan Network. It's great, dude, he's getting to the bottom of these fires.

You know what, I'm gonna do some public shaming. I've not met Artie yet. I've not delivered food to the Carmel Schwartz household as I've offered to do. You were temporarily dislocated. I don't know if something- You were temporarily dislocated. I don't know if something happened in your life recently that makes scheduling sort of difficult,

but I would love to come by sometime and meet your child. We're gonna remedy that this week. Alison Herman and Artie Link up, collab when? This week. Artie's having collabs already. Oh yeah, he's a guy, he's got a bunch of them. Him and Tinashe. You taking meetings. Yeah. I think I saw guy, he's got a bunch of them. Him and Tinashe. He's taking meetings.

Yeah. I think I saw him meeting with CAA over at the Grove. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was over there. He doesn't wanna go to their building because he's like, okay, that's designed to put you on your back foot. Let's get together at a back-around grill. Neutral territory.

Cut the heels off his shoes so he doesn't back up. It helps. Did you come up with that? You never really gave us that. And when I was in Taekwondo, they said that the warriors, as it were, used to cut the heels off their sandals so they wouldn't back up in battle,

so they were always on their toes. So no, I didn't come up with it. I bet that's not true. I bet it's not true. That feels wrong. I bet you Master Darren told us that. How big are the heels on the sandal? Master Darren may have thought of that.

I don't think that would keep you from backing up, because you still backing up, because you still back up on the front of your feet. Not if someone's coming at me with a sword, I'd find a way to back up. Yeah, I would turn around. Turn around and just go ahead and tiptoe out of there. Listen, he's a martial artist, he's not that historian.

Yeah, that's true. How many things are we going to ask of Master Darren? He's already a small business owner. Keeping two families afloat, like for God's sake. Yeah, yeah. One in Sioux Falls, one in Rapid. I am Ian Carmel, Ian Carmel across platform, except on YouTube where I am. I think IK cooled you.

You are. I am, yeah. Yeah. My special, Comfort Beyond God's Foresight, comes out on 800 Pound Gorilla on February 4th on the 800 Pound Gorilla website and then wide on February 18th. But check it out on the 800 Pound Gorilla website. I'm really proud of it.

I think it's really funny. I think you'll like it. And I'll like it if you like it. I was there, I loved it. I was there too. What else? That's it, my T-shirt it if you like it. I was there, I loved it. I was there too. What else? That's it, my t-shirt swim club, and be wonderful to each other.

I hope you enjoyed the Golden Globes. It was a blast to write for. That's all I got. You know what, I can say this, because I was not assigned to officially review the Golden Globes for my outlet. I thought it was great. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much. It was. Real dream team of writers room. To the point that I was concerned. I only saw the monologue, I'm sorry man. That's it, that's all we did. Yeah, that's what I watched, that's all I watched too. Wait, did you not do popular? Oh no, we did popular too.

We also did popular, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just didn't want David to feel bad about missing popular. Sorry, I missed popular. I mean, I watched the whole thing. Popular was great, I could tell you did it. Popular, could you actually? I didn't watch it, I was kidding. I mean, I watched the whole thing. Popular was great, I could tell you did it. Popular, could you actually? I didn't watch it, I was kidding. I only watched the monologue.

You motherfucker, JP McDade came up with popular. Shout out to JP McDade. The writers' room was so good. Where I was like, the picture was fun. How come it's so good? Why don't all of these people have jobs right now? But that's a story for another time. We are here to celebrate the best of pop culture.

Not the terrifying parts of the future We do we're gonna be doing that drafting Everybody ends bleeding out of his eyes. I it's been it's been quite a six weeks for all calm I can't imagine I really can't We're doing am the other things. 6 a.m. every day? Every day. Every day.

Even if he goes back to sleep, it's 6 a.m. and then I'm up. Can I tell you? Yeah. You will, okay. Is this gonna sound hokey? And maybe I'm using the word trite properly, but maybe trite, what does trite mean?

Does it just mean, what does it mean? Say what you're gonna say and we'll figure it out. Yeah. I don't like defining it by the, it means like using a sentence to define it like an example. It's overused, right? It's like cliche.

Yeah, and like kind of hollow. Would you, like we have a, Yes. The smartest person here, Allison, do you care to wait? Yeah, please don't put trite. I would not take that. Are you guys done throwing the poop around? And like, and like Pat, like kind of small.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So those, as soon as those days are done, which is, it sounds like a daunting, I'd say year to 18 months, you're gonna miss them like crazy. So try as your best to like enjoy every second of it.

Even when you're, I got mad last night when Maxine woke up, Lauren and I had to talk about it today because I was being very curt at four in the morning. You were trying to practice drums. And I was like, I can't raise you. Why'd you give me the silent drums if I can't practice at four in the morning? And yeah, it's a lit swisher in the house.

No, but I mean, it goes by so quick, man. So quick, it's the best. And you're gonna look back and you're gonna love it. That's not trite at all, and I'm happy to report that I currently love it every moment When he starts screaming at like I can't stop laughing every time he starts screaming because this is little it's like He looks so much like me that it looks like a tiny me Screaming his head off

You should put him in a tiny little Prius and put him in the driveway Yeah, take off the tiny little bumper. It's a tiny little key. Now my friends are right Oh that's right, that's right. You upgraded. Pushing a key. Couldn't afford the Alfa Romeo. Not yet. Okay, great. He's got eyes wide open. He's sitting in the car, he's going vroom.

You can definitely afford it. You don't know my friends. I mean, it's not that expensive of a vehicle. People think it's really like a lux vehicle. Dude, I put it on. But it's not. I'm so tied up in meme coin right now. I don't have to. Hawk coin. Well, all right.

When you keep saying pop culture stuff. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The way we determine the order of this raft is through a rollicking game of rock paper scissors played between the three of you and we throw on shoot. I might want to get involved in this one. Sorry, I was looking at the Alpha Romeo SUV website. I might know you know what I'm sitting out. I'm sitting it out. How would we even do that?

We couldn't even that's what I was thinking. We can't even do it. We don't have the infrastructure. We don't have the power. Rock paper scissors shoot. Oh We gotta do it again rock paper scissors shoot. Oh We gotta do it again. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh, Sean wins a rock against two scissors. Can I get in your kitchen real quick? Absolutely. So I heard on the radio today,

a rock, paper, scissors, there was somebody on TikTok. Remember that? They explained, I don't, they explained how to win rock, paper, scissors every time. And they're like, most people are gonna do the first or last word, and most people are never gonna do the middle thing. So they're like, most people don't open paper.

So like if you do rock, you're gonna win or tie. That's what they said on the radio. And so I just did rock twice and I won. Wow, look at that. And then you revealed your methods. Wow, I was gonna do it beforehand. You could have done it. Yeah, don't you guys do rock, paper, scissors every week?

I feel like you're really, you're messing with the formula here. Yeah, but here's what's really gonna cook your noodle. Would you have thrown rock if I didn't say that? How's the Matrix thing go? Would you have knocked the vase over if I didn't say watch out? Something like that.

I don't know, dude. Isaac, cut that out and end it with the rock, paper, scissors thing. What I do know is you're basically- I just looped it and repeated it twice. Thank you, Isaac. You are the Jonas Salk of rock, paper, scissors strategies. You just gave it out for free.

You could have become a rich man off that, dude. Man of the people. Sean, as the winner, it's incumbent upon you to determine the order of today's draft, but before you do that, I will remind you it's a serpentine draft. And what is that? It's a great question.

Like weave in a basket, so there it is. I guess it is. I guess it kinda is. Yeah, okay, great. Basically, if you pick fourth in the first round, you pick first in the second round. With that in mind, Sean, what will the order of today's draft be?

Why'd you say kinda? You weaving a lot of baskets on me? You don't know my life, dude. I used to, I feel like I used to. That six weeks ago, baby took it over, and now I lost my guy. Now he's basket weaving. Now I lost my guy.

He's cross-statching. French braid, basket weaving. If I'm gonna leave him He's cross stashing. French braid, basket weaving. If I'm gonna leave him down in the reeds by the Nile River, I gotta have something to put him in for God's sake. And the bull rushes. If you make it home, then we can, yeah, then we continue. Alison's going first.

Thank you. I'm gonna go second. Sean Jordan second. David, then Ian. Hot corner. I'm going last. Alison, Sean, David, Ian. Try to. I like that. Hot corner. I'm going last. Alice and Sean. Tri Tip. Tri, I like that.

Yes sir. I like that. New bit, 2025 new bits. Are we going new bits in 2025? We might have a new bit. All right, Tri Tip baby. Tri Tip. Sometimes it takes a while to come up with a bit.

You really meant that, Sean. Sean's my soul. Sometimes it takes a while. No, I'm sold, I'm saying it took eight years. We're gonna get to that first thing right after this short break. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Now it is a brand new year. Every time there's a new year,

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That's a re-rent. That shirt sucks. That's, that's, that shirt is ass. That's a, that's a, that's that shirt is ass. That's a bad shirt. That's a bad shirt. We are drafting pop culture from the year 2024. Varieties television critic at one of Varieties television. I don't mean to like place it all on your shoulders. Girl on Trees. Half of Varieties television critic.

Allison Herman, you have the first pick. Okay, I feel like in past years, I've tended to start with something like more intangible. And I'm gonna keep that going. My first pick is Brat Summer. Yeah, that's- Not Brat the album, that's part of it. But the overarching phenomenon that includes the Apple dance,

the Storm King Sculpture Park launch event for the Apple dance, the Storm King sculpture park launch event for the remix album, the various TikTok memes, Charlie tweeting, Kamala is brat, which somehow set off a new cycle. It also didn't work. No. You know, she tried. I thought that was going to lock it in.

She typed it into her phone, she gave it her best. She did. She did. Being president isn't brats, that was the problem. They didn't follow it to its logical conclusion. But I'm picking it because it's so rare for an album and not just like a song from an album to be such a like completely

inescapable phenomenon. Someone pointed out to me like a few months after the album came out that actually like none of the songs are really hit singles. There's no like one track that is like the brat breakout. It's just like the whole concept. And I will also be very obnoxious and say, I have been on the Charlie train since day one. I like even the albums of hers that she has since sort of disavowed. I love Sucker from 2014.

2014, damn. What do you mean by disavowed? Has she said like... She's kind of said like, it's very like pop punky. And she sort of said like, that's not really the direction. I mean, especially since Brat, she's been like, I think I was trying to do like a sort of like Brat in sootient, sassy posture with Sucker. And it didn't feel like totally me.

And like Brat is the version of that, that does feel like her. And it's so exciting for someone who's been known as kind of this, like. Pop star, like your favorite pop star's favorite pop star to steal a reference from someone else, I'm sure will come up on this, this draft. Yeah. Um, like she's been known as someone who's like, is really great at songwriting and is really like someone who loves being really great at songwriting and is really like someone who loves being in this world but isn't like a huge megastar.

And the fact that she's had this breakthrough moment around this album that is like so her, so like personal and vulnerable, but also just like filled with bangers. Again, like the Apple is a song about being like, oh, I'm fucked up because my parents are fucked up too. And that's the song of the summer in some circles. And it has this dance, which is so cutesy and like, it looks like something you would do in a PE class in grade school.

You know what I mean for calisthenics? It looks like a traffic guard showing off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The video of the, I mean, this had so many ripples that went out. The Apple dance of the woman who invented the Apple dance

at the Charlie XCX concert, who like that like fan jumps in and like takes the TikTok over. Even that had its own week of being like amazing. Where she comes in. Yeah, there's all these little like, I'm so Julia, like 365 party. There are all these like little like lines

that you would just sort of see around the internet. And it's just been so great to see Charlie XCX like break through on that level. Oh my, like the Lord remix. Like I have never seen like a song feel that personal, like a real conversation about what it's like to be in that position as a pop star, between two pop stars, like that was its own moment.

Yeah, Brat Summer. They had beef with each other, right? And they couldn't tell if it was real or manufactured by the industry or if they were both feeling that way. Is that accurate? I think it's like the original song Charlie wrote. It wasn't like beef, it was just kind of like,

yeah, I feel like we have this weird energy and maybe it's just me being insecure, but here's how I feel. And then I think she sent it to Lorde to kind of be like, hey, heads up. And then Lorde responded responded with her own like, actually I've been going through my own shit. Here's what's been going on there.

If they, two pop stars having beef during bratt summers called a bratwurst. Nice dude. I didn't love it. I did. And that's what's important. Why they call it a bratwurst? I had a good time.

When two brats have beef? Oh, cause the call the bratwurst? I had a good time. When two brats have beef. Oh, cause the word, a bratwurst is made out of beef. I think it's pork. It's not. I think it's a pork. Yeah, I think it's pork. But I was, you know, I figured we could bake the jump on the word play.

I figured that earned me the creative liberty. Hey, I'm looking here on Wikipedia. Bratwurst can be made out of beef. I'm being a brat. It was good, Sean. brat worse can be made out of beef. And I'm being a brat. It was good, Sean. Yeah, it is made out of beef. Let's bring out the worst here, dude. Hot dog, you nailed it.

Charlie XCX scares me. Really? Good, right? Yeah, I think that's kind of it. She's like so intimidating. She's so cool. Did you guys have that documentary? That's where I first, when she had that hulu documentary like four years

I feel like she'd hate me and she'd be mean to me And then I wouldn't know how to be like if we were in a room together. I'd be like, I don't know what to say We're probably that bratwurst thing Brad you can try that out. I should I will It'll happen. She's British That makes you scarier. I'd just talk about the Kingsman. Yeah.

Hey, Charlie XCX, have you seen the Kingsman? You're British. Which Kingsman is your favorite? People just discovered her letterbox, you know? You can keep it down in the archives. What did she rate the Kingsman? You know, I think she liked Golden Circle better than, oh my God, what was the follow-up? God damn it.

Well, there was, Circle was the friend. King's Man's first one, right? Yeah, King's Man. I watched it for the first time on a plane recently and was like, man. That's where you watched it. That's where you watched it. Sam Jackson is in this? Yeah, yeah.

For some reason. Playing Russell Simmons. Yeah, speaking of creative liberties, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. It's the King's, hold on, the King's Man franchise. Oh, man. Don't act like there wasn't already a tab open. Yeah.

You're fake typing. Hold on. Click, click, click, click, click, click. Hold on, let me just pull this up. Oh, God. Oh, it's really heating my computer up. My shit, okay, my shit's buzzing every time I turn it on. Every time I open it up, it starts buzzing now. I don't get it. What about the update?

Oh, that helps, the software update? Give it a try. Golden Circle is the sequel. It goes The Kingsman, The Kingsman Golden Circle, and then The King's Man is the third one. Oh, that's the, okay. That's the prequel with like Rasputin in it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I liked. We'll have plenty to talk about, Charlie and I. Okay, great, yeah. I liked. We'll have plenty to talk about Charlie and I. Okay, great. Fantastic. She's, I honestly, I think only that iconopop song that she sings on is like the only Charlie XC song that I have like readily available. And she's still dominated like pop culture for the summer.

Even though like for me, it was like, I mean, I wasn't having a brat summer, but it was so ever present. It was, yeah. That that existed, independent of you knowing her music, you know? It bled over into everything, it felt like. I would have done so much begrudgingly given to me cocaine

if I were still in my wild man years during Brad Summer. Sure. It was. Not begrudgingly accepted though. No, no, no, happily welcome. How was Brad Summer? Well, snowed a lot during Brad Summer, I'll tell you that. I think that was part of it too.

It was like people having Brad Summers were like doing drugs and sleeping around. Was that kind of the idea? And then Barack Obama put the song on his year end playlist, the song that has the, should we do a little bump, should we do a little line? Like he could have picked any other track on that album, but he put the one with like very explicit drug use.

Hey, hey, he's not present anymore. Yeah, he did his nickel. Brat Summer, excellent pick. Excellent pick. Sean Jordan, time for your first pick. Hawk Toa, the Hawk tua girl? Oh really? Yeah.

Okay. I thought that was gonna get picked early too. Yeah, I mean, I try, like, this year in my mind, I wanted to not go music, movie, TV immediately. I wanted to pick something that like wasn't. So that was just, you guys remember when you guys had to explain to me what it was. I'm so out of the loop. We explained it to you?

Yeah, I had no idea. It happened, it went like a week. I had no clue what it was. And so I got to do all that digging when all, you know, there was already all this stuff, all kinds of videos and stuff, and she already had a personality. So it was fun.

I got to see it all in one day. When you said that, my life flashed before my eyes and I had that like, oh my God, all of that was this year. She just speed ran, she speed ran from viral moment to probably under SEC investigation. That's what I'm saying. It's an insane thing.

She did all the famous people shit. And like, that's pretty good. She got a podcast. She did all the famous people shit. She got that crazy podcast deal. I haven't listened to the podcast, to be fair. Has anyone? Have any of you dabbled? No, okay. I wonder what is there.

I don't even listen to this podcast all the time. That's different. You listen to other ones. I'm just saying, I want to know what is there. Because she seemed pretty funny to me. Yeah, sure. I thought she seemed very, like, funny, but then you wonder, you're like, is it that kind of one thing, or is there more there that just nobody ever discovered?

Because that interview was funny. It was very witty and very funny, and the way she, like, that was funny. A Star is Born 2025. Wait, the Hawk 2 interview was witty? In the moment it was funny, yeah. Funnier than anything I would have said. I mean, I wouldn't have said I was gonna spit on some dude's bad dude.

Shh, shh. Shh. You wouldn't have said that? She definitely like epitomizes something about like the attention economy. Like there's a really good defector piece after the whole, you know, cryptocurrency fiasco by I think it was Patrick Redford

about how she's like the epitome of bag culture of just like the second you get a little bit of clout you gotta like get your bag and monetize it as soon as possible. And she turned like being kind of funny in an extemporaneous way into like a weird scam empire, which has to be appreciated. Is she young? How old is she? Does anyone know? Yeah, she's like in her early 21, 22. They don't even know.

It'd be hard not to capitalize when someone's like, hey, we'll give you a ton of money. And you're like, sure. If I was 21. It's crazy that 10 years from now, she's just going to be like at work or something like, you know how I was a hop to a girl, right? Yeah. There was, there was that money.

Yeah, no, I got out and now I work here. David and the dentist is next door, like, yeah, I know. Like, yeah. I mean, I think in 10 years, she's gonna be like knocking around the reality TV, like sub-basement, right? Like that's for all the sleeds. And we don't know, yeah, that's true.

That is, yeah, that is true. It's that's where all this leads. And we don't know. And yeah, that's true. That is yeah, that is that is true. It's that weird lightning in the bottle thing where the traditional industries are trying to like follow this stuff down as far as it can go. Right. Like she signed with CAA, you know, the agency like pretty, pretty, fascinating. Yeah. Whitney Cummings was like on her podcast almost immediately. Like all these people who existed in this previous age, who were like trying to figure out what this next step is, are all like, it's not saying like,

if one person catches lightning in a bottle, the next day there's a thousand people outside, you know, with bottles. Yeah. Like running around. It's not just... That's that kind of thing where it's like, you can't, it's catching lightning in a bottle. You can't like, you can't run around trying to- It's not gonna, you're not gonna just do it again.

Yeah. But she was charming and she was like effervescent and I think like charmingly in an era when everything is like facing the camera, she was like talking to this guy. Like it didn't seem- Yeah, there's like a, there's an authenticity that these major influencers don't seem to have, right? You felt that she was being herself, for better or worse, and that's always fun to watch.

And that's what I wonder, is there more to, if she's given that podcast, is there more to that? Does she, is she funny, for real? Can she interview someone or whatever the podcast is about? Well, go listen to it, Sean. I'm not gonna do this, it's not about skateboarding. Unless someone could tell me it is. If it's about skateboarding, I'll go listen.

I'm just saying, that's how people get discovered these days. So maybe that's the equivalent of, I don't know, someone seeing a hot gas. I've talked about it on the street, nobody ever discovered me. Yeah, but she was talking to another person. You were just out there. Spit on it, bone me out.

Just behind the roost, smelling weed. Talking to door guy Anton Shiger. I like it dry. They... I don't know, have many people taken just like one of these moments and parlayed it into something that didn't immediately resemble desperation. Probably not a lot. It doesn't seem like it's built for that.

No. You know what I mean? It's like, it seems like it's kind of like you gotta get as much as you can while you got it and then. So I'd be hard to say no, but it's so easy to be like, God, what is she doing? But I would, you know, when I was 21 or 22. I never felt that way about her. No, no.

I never felt like, oh no, what else is she gonna do? You know what I mean? I just want some money off of it. The coin thing gets kinda... I don't know what you're talking about. What is that? Did she do something bad? Oh, she...

Yeah. Maybe. She came up with her own like cryptocurrency, you know, like Dogecoin or Bitcoin. I barely know. I am also not going to be great at explaining finance, but what happened next has been described to be as quote, a classic pump and dump scheme where basically like a bunch of people bought the coin for money and then the coin Became worthless like boiler room. I get it

Yeah, and now a bunch of people don't have money that they spent on the hot to a girl's novelty Cryptocurrency, she allegedly knew what she was doing. But obviously if you're buying a meme coin right now anyways Yeah, come on been pumping been dumping. It's not like, you know, I think it's mostly just funny in that this person who is like clearly very good at just sort of off the cuff and extemporaneous speaking now has to deliver very carefully worded statements that were clearly drafted by lawyers. Yeah. And the cognitive dissonance is really something to behold. Yeah.

You just gotta litigate on that. She can't do it. No, you gotta litigate on that thing. I don't think she can, she can't recapture it too. You gotta weigh well liability on that thing. Yeah. Best way to get out from a lawsuit is to get under another. I don't know, like.

She can't, she can't. I don't think you can be homespun and litigious in that way. No, it's, what probably happened was she was taken advantage of because there are, even though she was with an agency, you know, and I imagine she must have had a lawyer for the money she probably got for Talk To Her, her big podcast.

In that way, I guess, I don't know, maybe, like, she's 21 and probably had people being like, this is not an apple tree, this is an apple, and let's squeeze as much juice out of it as we can. And a lot of people who make money. Yeah. You know, I imagine something like that happened. I don't think she was like probably some sort of craven. Crypto genius, but we'll see.

She's on your team, Sean, not mine. Funny hammered person as far as I'm concerned. And I identify David Bori time for your first pick. I'm going back to January 20, 24, because it's like, you know how it's like you look back and it all seems so innocent now, but when this happened, we were all like, 2024 is crazy. Digging Cat Williams on Club Shaysay. Yes.

So, so innocent now compared to how this year started. But at the time, it also shows how much people really want like insider information cuz I watched He was out there like, proving it. And then, why is, where is he, where is he getting time for 40s at now? Which is also crazy. He was in pants, but no shirt. It was, there was a lot to it. There was a lot to it, but it was like, you know, people want, people kind of want, like, I feel like, especially within comedy, people really want, people really want to take down whatever the

establishment is, you know what I mean? So it was so much of people being like, Cat's talking that shit! And then he was just like, I read 5,000 books a day. Like, what the fuck? He really said he could read a book! He was on his Kim Jong Un shit so hard on that one! I read like three books a day. I can run a 4-3-4.

Everybody was catching strays. He said, fuck Steve Harvey. Yeah, earthquake can't read. Like, bro. And then Shannon Sharp is the perfect, any interview, he's so funny. He's like, come on, Kat. Yeah.

It was a lot of fun. It was really long though. Oh, that's really long. It was really. And you know, Kat is still hilarious. That wasn't my favorite special. That ain't going anywhere. I feel like saying a podcast is long

on this particular episode where we are 50 minutes in and have not completed a single round. Fair. Pot kettle like a pot kettle. Fair, fair, fair. But I'm also not making out Landish claims yet. Yeah, you were yet early. I did read three books today. Yeah, yeah, you'll get the other three after this.

There was still published fantasy smut on the Kindle, but you know. What's a book? I'm up to one book a year. I'm pretty happy about that. I'm pretty happy. Well, that was last year, my friend. You gotta start it over. Write another book then, asshole.

Yeah. I did my job. You're on Goodreads. You're on Goodreads setting your book goal one. Let me know when this prick writes another one. Yeah. Oh, you bet. It was amazing. It was so outlandish and beautiful. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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oh no, I declined that option. I will tell you everything. I'll tell you on mic. Right here on the mic. And also I'm gonna throw in a lot of stuff that isn't sourced. Yeah. Shannon Sharp is also the guy who like a few months later

ended up having sex on Instagram Live, right? Yeah, right. That's the very one. He also, did he almost get in a fight with John Marant's dad, courtside? Yeah, yeah, the very one yeah, is a he also Did he almost get in a fight with John Moran's dad court side was that what it was? I don't know my dad is kind of a wild guy. Yeah. He's also had some like court side exploits. He's amazing Yeah, it's pretty dope. He's perfect Great, I mean one of the best tight ends of all time to. Absolutely, on top of it all. Looks exactly like, has he gained a pound?

Has not gained a pound. He's going backwards. When you heard those sounds he made during his sex video, you're like, wow, he did sound. I can't even imagine that sound. He sounded like he was doing an interview interview Come on, don't you? I can't even saying a word

even like a beast with sleep apnea it's kind of the noise he made while he was fucking time for my first pick final pick, good lord buckle up, time for my first pick I can't believe it's still here I can't believe it's still here.

I can't believe it's still here. Drake versus Kendrick. That was last year? That was last year. Yeah, that was last year. You didn't mean that was last year. I thought it was. What did you think it was?

I don't know. I don't mean to laugh, I just, what? No, it's laugh, man. Did you think it was a long time ago? Really, it seems like it was longer ago to me. That song, like that, came out last year and that's not what kicked off the whole thing. The two of them have been.

It's been ruined for a long time. Yeah. But like that kind of escalated this. It took it from a Cold War to a Hot War. And then Drake did the two, right? He said, fuck the big three, it's just big me. Is that what Drake had like a problem with? Something like it, boy, this is good.

Listen, man, it goes so deep. That was what was so crazy about it though, is like it started in the most like messy, obscure, like not actually that confrontational way. And then like before you knew it, like half of LA was calling Drake a pedophile. It just escalated like so fast. Kids are yelling it.

Huh? Like you see kids, that song being huge is crazy. You're about to hear it at the Super Bowl. That's crazy. It got Kendrick the Super Bowl gig. It did. Drake fucked up so badly, he got the other person onto the Super Bowl.

Somebody pointed this out. Can you imagine hearing No Vaseline at the Super Bowl? No, it's crazy! That was the compared, that's so bucked to be like, he's saying some crazy shit in that song, and it's gonna be at the Super Bowl. That's tough. I mean, it got hot.

And then Drake got litigious, but then you also hear about that $400 million deal, and you're like, damn, I don't know, man, what's going on? What was the $400 million deal? Like Drake, there's deep internet rumors that this is more of a universal versus Drake thing than it is. And Kendrick is more of a pawn. Because Drake just got a $400 million.

He's been trying to take control of his own music and distribution for a long time. Oh, shit. There's like big money behind it, which I, who knows, but it feels like- Did anything happen to Drake because of this? Like has Drake lost a ton of popularity or anything? Or is he still doing all right?

It's hard to tell, man. I mean, culture, like, especially, it's like whatever with the culture, but I feel like the people who hate Drake are still, it was always that, you know what I mean? I don't think he like, but who knows, man. I think it probably dented him pretty bad, but it was such a, I mean, that especially,

makes it such a perfect encapsulation of the culture right now, where like, listen, Drake said some insane shit about Kendrick too. Like that's not your kid. You know, like your, your wife is sleeping with Dave East, all that. Just like Dave Free. Dave Free. Who's Dave East? He's a rapper, too. He's a rapper. Dave Free. My bad. Like, but like the whole painting, someone with a pedophile brush is also like,

that's just the Internet's tactic from the last like four or five years, or I mean like 20, but like it's really bubbled up in the last four or five. Where now if someone's bad, they're like, a pedophile, you're a ped, but then Drake has done weird shit like text messaging, you know, whatever, like the Millie Bobby Brown and all that. Right, like the fact that that was actually like

kind of based, I mean, for legal reasons, I am not accusing Drake of anything, but the fact that that was based on pre-existing rumors and news stories made it stick. It wasn't like, I'm just saying this because it's the worst thing you can say about somebody. Yeah. But then you, sorry, go ahead, David.

No, I was just gonna say, you also get the feeling that Drake has been kind of a tyrant and done a lot of stuff. Yeah. And that's sort of why, like, it feels like it's cumulative. Like, it's not just, it seems like a lot of people, he wasn't very liked because of his actions, and people were like, all right, yeah, fuck you then.

I feel like, you know that thing where you will type, like, if someone, this usually happens to me in like business circumstances, or where you'll like write if someone, this usually happens to me in business circumstances, where you'll write up an email full of vitriol and then like, I'm not gonna send that, and then you delete it, you know, like that kind of thing. Or you'll type up a text and you're like, you know what, it felt good just to put it down on paper,

I'm not gonna send it, I don't need to say it. I felt like Kendrick Lamar did the equivalent of that with going at Drake so many times and eventually, because I feel like he's just been fed up with him for years, not even on personal shit necessarily, but just on like, I can't believe this is the guy. It seems like it. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people

feel that way about him. Yeah. And he does seem to be, once again, all speculation. He does seem to do some things that make you feel like, oh, this guy is not in great character. Kind of a vulture a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, Kendrick is someone who, to my understanding,

very much sees himself as a representative of rap as a whole and someone who cares about not just my own personal relationship with someone, but if I perceive someone to be bad for rap, or a bad representative of rap, I'm going to take that personally, because I really care about this. Is that a correct read? Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I think he worries about the culture a lot. Yeah, me and Kendrick, for sure. Me and Kendrick. Shana Kendrick. Also, if you're going off the enemies of your enemies kind of thing, like Drake beefing with Kendrick Lamar and Pusha T, it's like, aw, that's lame.

Those are like two of the better dudes, like a rap and like putting out good music. Yeah, not a kind of thing, I can't believe he would willingly enter a beef again in a post like you are hiding a child world. Like when that happens to you once. But the thing is, he won that too. He did.

Because he was like, oh yeah, Degrassi reunion. Yeah. And then it was over. Like, I never forgot about it. That song hurt my feelings, but like, he didn't lose. Seeing, trying to see how he's going to try to bounce back from this is gonna be very interesting. Cause he kinda, like, push it,

he never quite put him in a body bag the way it feels like Kendrick kinda did. This just got a lot more traction than that did. And so the next thing. The pedophile shit is like, hey, you had a kid out of wedlock and you didn't tell people. That would hurt my feelings.

Where you're like, I'm not required to. It's not, I'm not breaking the law. I don't have to. He said a lot of other hurtful things on that song though. He did, yeah, that's true, he did. It was, it was just. So reasonable. I don't have he said a lot of other hurtful things on that song though His relationship with his mother and his father But this, I mean, all the ramifications aside, it produced Not Like Us. And Kendrick Lamar's year in general, like the GNX album,

not my favorite album of his, but it's really good. I like it. It's got really good songs. I like it a lot. Not Like Us is great. I did the thing where I listened to it only for a week, so that's these days, that's all I can really ask for an album. Same.

And there's like, I think two or three songs that'll work their way into gym playlists. It's crazy Jack Antonoff did production on that. Wild. I can't believe Jack Antonoff produced a Kendrick Lamar. Margaret Qualley's husband? Yes, Mr. Qualley. Mr. Qualley. Andy MacDonald's son-in-law produced Kendrick Lamar's. Margaret Qualley's husband? Yes, Mr. Qualley. Mr. Qualley, Andy McDowell's son-in-law

produced Kendrick Lamar's. He took the substance and then he stepped into the booth of Kendrick. But it was just a gigantic pop culture moment. And that's why I drafted it. With my second pick, I'm going to take, this is a person's entire year, not necessarily something they made specifically, but it all ties together. I'm staying in the music world and I'm taking Chapelrone.

That was my next one. Yeah. There's no way it was getting back to you. I thought it was going to go in the first round kind of. Yeah, this is one of those like 32 second pick of the NFL draft situations, right? Where it's first pick of the second round, 33rd? Anyway, I was going back preparing for this draft and I watched her performance of Pink Pony Club

on Saturday Night Live again. Dude. A place that is like really hard to succeed as a musician. Yeah. The sale quality is always terrible. Famously so, yeah. Like, it's a weird place to perform. Like, if you've seen it live too, you're like, oh, that's not like a great stage for a musician.

She fucking crushed it. Crushed it. Like, such an amazing live performer. The album songs are great. So catchy. Like earworms, but like earworms with substance, I also seems to be handling it on their own terms. Yeah. What's crazy and like the reason why you're picking her year and not like a specific thing is that album came out in September of 2023 that has like five world beating, absolutely epic, everyone in the arena screaming along songs on it. And it just kind of sat there for like six months.

And then I started hearing about her when she did her Coachella set. And people were like, holy shit, like she's such an amazing performer and I would see clips of it. And then I think that was like around the same time that she released Good Luck, Babe. And then like it just kind of took off from there, but it was that it wasn't even that was like around the same time that she released Good Luck Babe.

And then like, it just kind of took off from there, but it was that it wasn't even that she like came out with an album and it immediately hit. It was like something clicked later. Yeah. And then it was unstoppable. She got dropped by her label, right? And she had what, Good Luck Babe?

She had some of these songs and her label heard them and dropped her, right? Isn't that a thing that happened a few years ago? I think it was before her album, because I think Pink Pony Club came out like a while ago, and then that had some success, but not enough. But she works with the same producer as Olivia Rodrigo, and that, and he produced this album.

That's like, the best thing. I remember hearing Hot to Go, that was the first song I heard whenever last year and it's one of those where you're like, oh, I'll definitely know more about what's happening here. Like immediately it got in the ears and you're like, this fucking is dope. I had no idea who sang it or anything.

It's just, and then my daughter loved it. So that's one thing too, a 43 year old and a three year old both like, it's pretty ill, right? Just like looking at each other, like look at us hanging out. A lot of my friends with kids are like, the kid loves it, which is insane

because she writes about sex and stuff. Going down on you in the front seat of a car. But it's very catchy. It is. They're all, I mean, My Kink Is Karma, I still listen to probably once a day, I love that song. Pink Pony Club, I just started listening to that song, I don't know, a couple months ago.

She's so, so good. And they're all different, feel different too. She's just, like the way she will post about what the theme of her concerts are, like ahead of time, so her fans will dress up for if it's like Midwest Princess or whatever the thing is. So her concerts are themed. Her Statue of Liberty outfit at the Governor's Ball

was amazing. Every look is fucking amazing. Yeah. More than all the festival sets that were like, to my earlier point about it kicking later, there were all these sets at festivals that she booked when she was big enough to land it, but not big enough that she would be booked as a headliner.

And then you would see these crowds, shots of the crowd of like Lollapalooza. And it would be like the entire fairground is- It looks like the Obama inauguration in Chicago. Like the amount of people who are like packed into that small of a space, it's crazy. She's, yeah, she was just fucking awesome. I'm so glad this person is in our lives.

Hopefully for quite a while, putting out interesting music. Just weird, original, but the pop is like pure and catchy. I love it. Chapel Road. David, time for your second pick. I'm taking the 24 Paris games Yeah, that's great. Just in that this felt more than the other the Olympics. It was like a star fest from the opening ceremony all the way through I

Feel like I'd never had seen so many Celebrities being highlighted in an Olympics as they. You're talking about Colin Jost being in French Polynesia specifically, right? Yes, yeah. I'm also talking about Flavor Flav being everywhere. Everywhere! Also Snoop being everywhere. Snoop is everywhere.

All over it, all over the place. He just really felt, and I don't know if it's like, maybe that's what the games are becoming, but it never felt as like online and engaged in everything as this one did. They finally did like they covered it they used like streaming in such a great way where you could like you could watch at night for the four hours and like catch the highlights the old-school way or if you're sitting at home at one in the afternoon and you wanted to watch Ilana Mayer,

you know, and the women's rugby team, you can stream that live on that app. It was so great. You could go sport to sport. It was just- I watched like the diving quarter finals for like no reason except they happened to be on. But it made me, yeah, I feel like because

I did not properly appreciate just how much the Tokyo Olympics Even though they did happen eventually like weren't a real Olympics and then this happened and you were like, oh my god it's been eight years since we had like a Real fucking Olympics and really if they stepped up so accessible so easy the the Shooting woman was Yeah. Yeah. Oh the was she South Korea? Yeah, yeah, and then rate rate on and then there was the Turkish guy who looked like he should have a cigarette dangling Yeah, and then Simone it was just like it was just I know, to me it was everything I wanted out of an Olympics. Oh, do we have, I mean, LeBron and Steph,

and Paul Volter who caught his dick. Who is American! Yeah, hell yeah he is. You think that's what you wrote? He pulls for Sweden, but he's American! He pulls for Sweden! He pulls for Sweden! He pulls for himself, come on.

He bones out, what is he bones? He bones me out. His grandparents are Swedish, bone him out. He bones out for Swedish. He bones out for Sweden, but he's a man. He goes to LSU. That dude's got a hang down on him. Armand. Armand Duplantis. Acting like he's Swedish.

Ray Gun. Ray Gun was huge. Core went out for Ray Gun. That was... I was going to pick pick Reagan as a single, but yeah, like that whole, like the whole conspiracy, there was something about, what was it that she like got paid off or something, or that she paid off

the Olympic committee to let her in, there was some big conspiracy about it, and you're like, no, that's bad. I think it was that she like dick-chainied herself, where like she was part of the committee in Australia to figure out who from Australia would get to break dance at the Olympics and then that happened. It was interesting.

I nominate myself. You don't know much about break dancing and then you watch it and you're like, huh. Well not that. It doesn't look the same. Exactly how I thought. This can't be. I know it when I see it.

I have Instagram, I've seen like Korean children who are better than me. I've seen people in my eyes. In the foyer at Westview High School in 2002, there were people who were break dancing better than that. At any given time, there was someone in the Times Square subway station. Yeah, absolutely. And she was like a, what was she, a professor of it? Any given time, there is someone in the Times Square subway station who could outdo Rayden.

And she was like a, what was she, a professor of it? Like she was like an academic on break dancing. Yeah, I felt like a those who can't situation. I shouldn't be able to watch something in the Olympics and be like, I think so. And then just go in the garage and be like, yeah, I did that. Who's the American sprinter who won the 100 and then he had COVID and ran anyway? Noah Lyles? Noah Lyles. He also ran the 200, right? the 100 and then he had COVID and ran anyway? Noah Lyles? Noah Lyles.

Yeah. He also ran the 200, right? Yeah, and then lost the 200. Because he was a 200. He was, no, he was a 200 guy, and then he just started running the 100. Right. He's a whole, that's my little brother's favorite guy,

because he's a whole, he's the guy who ran with the Yu-Gi-Oh card and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He's a weeb, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's real interesting. Yeah, he won the 100 meter in Paris and got bronze in the 200.

And just yet. They were so close, the 100 and the 200, it just like delivered. The track was awesome, and then also Netflix had dropped that thing about the sprinters, like right at the same time. It just felt like there was so much, it just felt so big in the greatest way.

The opening ceremony. Awesome. With the severed head of Marie Antoinette. That French, Gojira, I think, the metal band, and Lady Gaga, like the opening ceremony was just, this is the most French shit ever, in like the best possible way. That character from Assassin's Creed. Yeah, yeah.

Running with the darkarts. So much. The horse on the river. Through the roof. Yeah. That was awesome. I was jacked up from that to the end. I was in the whole time. I loved it.

And they de-pooped the thing, or they tried to. They tried to. People still got sick, but they de-pooped it enough. Yeah. And I think it's murky water. Where are the Olympics in 2028? Hmm, I don't know. I don't know.

I haven't heard much about it. Man, that's not that far. No, it's not. It's closer every day. I don't know what's gonna happen. What a great pick. That was also just what a, it is, listen. It's nice when everybody's on the same page

for something that's not, it's it's nice when everybody's on the same page for something. That's not There's no negative. It's about it. You have that great joke about it, but it's just it's it's true It's that it's it's nice to feel united as a country and like hate Not hate like sports sports hate like the Belarusian water polo team. Yeah, it's Just a good way to put it sports hate where, where it's not, you're not invested, it's not raw hatred, you're just like, ah, I don't care for it. Yeah.

And I feel like culture's so fragmented right now that there's very few things that we all end up getting on board for, so that was, it was just a good time. Shout out to Alana Mayer, who apparently gets breakfast burritos and tacos at a place near my house. Hoping to run into her.

Dancing with the stars. That's right. She's awesome. Sean, time for your second pick. I'm gonna go to the television world. Ah. And I'm gonna pick the English teacher. Oh yeah.

It hit so bold. I hope this, it's not supposed to, it's not meant to sound bad, but watching it, I thought it was going to be something that I sort of liked because of really, you know, Sean is in it and he rules and Langston. Sean Paton. Sean Paton's in it.

Not Denver Broncos head coach. Sean Paton is in it. That would be cool. I said four three. Uh. Yeah. What are you guys? Our good friend Sean Payton.

Yeah. No, Sean, Pat, and Langston, they're both in it and I watched it and I expected it to be good, but it hit and when the reviews came in, that show surprised everybody. So to me, that's why it's such a phenomenon that everybody was like, I thought the show was gonna be okay,

and it's fantastic. Did you get, it's so good. They all, Sean, I haven't really seen Sean act before and granted every time I've seen him in real life he's being that coach, but he did, he was so, so good, so good. The teacher was so good, Langston was so good, the female teacher, sorry I don't know her name,

but she was fantastic, like the whole show was so, so good and it dealt with real stuff. It was just really good to me, the whole thing. I feel that same way you do about Sean Patton. Also about Sean Patton. About Sean Payton, right? About Sean Patton, about Shane, dude. Every time I see Shane I'm like,

put this dude in a TV show already. I know. Yeah, there's something with Sean, he definitely felt like a long time coming where you're like, put this dude in a TV show already. I know. I know. Yeah, there's something with Shawnee, it definitely felt like a long time coming where you're like, we always knew he could do that. It was perfect for him. You know, like, I always catch myself saying this

because I'm terrible whenever I get the chance to act. I'm like, man, if I could just act where I didn't have to change anything and I could just like exactly be me. That's what they did. It's like they wrote it for Shawn. And then, yeah, it was just so good. Yeah, there's a few comments. Sean Langstein, Carmen Christopher's in it.

Yeah. I saw, oh, Sophia Coppola and, Sophia Coppola's nepo baby is in the show. She's one of the kids. Oh really? So is Ivy Wolk. Yeah, one of ours. That's almost like a nepo grandchild, right?

At this point. Does it swing back around? That's just like a nepo entity. Like with the Coppola, it's been compounding for generations and generations. Yeah, it's multiplying and multiplying. I like to think there's another Nick, Nicholas Cage in there.

Just simmering. Eventually. One that's like a baby right now. The Coppola algorithm's gonna have to spin out another Nick Cage eventually. I think it has. Coppola algorithm's gonna have to spit out another Nick Cage eventually. I think it has. Coppola algorithm is my fourth studio album. I don't know, maybe it's like a monkeys

riding Shakespeare situation, like the DNA in the Coppola family can only, you know. Yeah, a thousand Coppolas have sex with a thousand, oh God, it would've been funny if I could remember. That's gonna be the opening for the LA Olympics. That's gonna be the opening ceremonies. They're gonna hold up the baby and be like another Nick Cage.

Who's the, what's the, who plays Rocky Balboa's wife? Who plays Adrian? Talia Shire. Talia Shire, yeah, the Copulas and the Shires. Cause they intermingled. The Shires are a crew? I didn't know that. Well, the Shires have intermingled with the Copulas.

Really? I can see it on their faces now that you say that. Well, the Shires have intermingled with the Copulas. Really? I could see it on their faces now that you say that. Is this so animatrically? Talia Shire is a Copula. That's what it is. Talia Shire is a Copula. Okay. She married Jack Schwartzman.

Jason Schwartzman is... She's in a Coppola Rocky movie, so I'll tell ya. Come on. That was the best one. Come on. That was the best one. If I could get it out of my dumb ugly face

without laughing, it would've been fun. It's also hilarious, I didn't know Schwartzman had Coppola in there. Oh yeah, oh yeah. A talent, a talent in that body. Anyway, the English teacher, man, I feel bad saying it surprised me, because that's not what I mean, but it just, it was so good.

It's okay, it could surprise you, man. I'm gonna have to be like a mild buzzkill and ask if any of you guys have read the New York Magazine expose about Brian Jordan Alvarez. We're working our way to it. I had heard that he's maybe not a great artist. I will say, I will separate the art from the artist in this instance.

And first say, everyone should read the piece by Alex Jung at New York Magazine. It's really well reported and really sensitive and smart. But in terms of the show, I totally agree that I've been watching Brian Giornavarez and Stephanie Koenig, who's the other teacher. They did the Seek Gay and Wonders Life of Caleb Gallo, which is a web series that they made in 2018 and is the center of the allegations against both of them. So again, I direct people to it. But that sense of humor, I've been aware of for a very long time.

And it was fascinating to see that, like, turn into a TV show and a TV show where I knew they could do, like, tongue-in-cheek comedy really well, but seeing, like, how the show picks its spots and, like, where it decides to be earnest and be like, yeah, this is a show about, like, a gay teacher in the time of, like, don't say gay. And, like, we have to acknowledge that. But also to be like, we're not going to be like an after school special. And it's going to be like, we're not gonna be like a afterschool special

and it's going to be, like I think it's in the finale where the gay kid like comes up to him and is like, I was just really looking for like a gay teacher. And then the character is like, I don't fucking come to me for that. Like I'm not interested. Felt very much like the mission statement of the show. And I was surprised and interested

with how they handled that. And then I just wanna say when I first came to LA and had nothing to do but go to random comedy shows on weeknights, I saw Sean Patton do a bit where he fit himself with a shot collar. And that is how long I've been on that train. So it's great to see him on show. Sean ever been on, we've had him, right?

Once or twice? I can't remember. We gotta hit him up. It's been eight years. Hit the show. Well, Sean never been on, we've had him, right? Once or twice? I can't remember. We gotta hit him up. It's been eight years. Hit him up after this, man. Okay, anyway, yeah. Yeah, I love Sean because every time I see him, he looks completely different than the last time I saw him.

Yeah! In that while. He made a post with like a backwards. I probably see him, I probably see him, now I probably see him two, three times a year. Yeah. He had like a conductor hat on or something in his most recent post, and I was like, what? Or we saw him on the in New York and he was in a trench coat

You remember that Sean? Uh-huh. He just disappeared. Yep. Yeah, just walking down the street. I got a spot We're like, okay, dude, we just ran India He's the best is Alison time for your second third picks Okay for my second pick. I'm gonna stay in the world of television and go with John Mulaney, Everybody's in L.A., which I'll admit to bringing it up because I'm interested to talk about it with you guys, but it is so hard to take a format like the talk show that is so staid and so sentenced to tone

and really is having trouble updating itself to the present day. And to do it in a way that felt like both totally fresh and totally like of a piece with the past. Like the set is decorated like the Dick Cavett show. And I watched it with my partner who was like, this feels like the most mainstream possible format being used for like the most niche possible interest. Um, which I thought was like a great way

where you're like, yeah, like, clearly this guy's been fucking obsessed with O.J. Simpson for 30 years. So he's just gonna like make an episode of the show. And the fact that like, because it was only six days, it didn't have to be like, all right, well, we have a slate to fill for the 300th day this year. Let's just choose whoever's promoting whatever project. So everything from the choice of guests to the themes to the standalone filmed bits just felt totally reflective of like that person and their collaborators

interests and then just as someone who really loves LA, like I loved how much they leaned into not just like the stereotypes, but the things that feel like people who actually live in LA think about all the time, like stuff like palm trees and like where they come from, fuck car chases, and actually seemed to facilitate like interesting conversations, which I feel like I never see happen. Like he got Marcia Clark and Zoe Taur like on a couch talking about OJ Simpson who had just died.

Like I've never seen that before. So it was just so interesting and they're bringing it, I don't know if it's gonna be exactly the same, but they're turning it into a weekly show this year. And I'm very excited to see that. And I was just so impressed because it's so hard to come up with anything new and they did it. I'm gonna be so interested to see

what this new iteration of it is. Because like, yeah. As someone who worked in like the, perhaps the polar opposite end of the late night spectrum of what everybody's in LA was, like kind of a glossier and also highly, just like repetition, just like you have to crank out this many shows.

Even the Late Late Show, and this is true of every late night show, I think starts with the ambition of like, we're gonna be different, and we're gonna do things different. I remember like when we were first having our meetings about the Late Late Show, it was like, oh, we're not gonna do a monologue

and we're gonna have a time machine on the stage and we're gonna have a UCB comedian come out and pretend to be Ben Franklin and sit next to, like Christoph Waltz promoting a project. And we're gonna have to play a game where they have to spin a wheel to determine how much of their clip we show and all this stuff. And it's all fun.

And, you know, I wish we would have done more of it, but then you stare down the barrel of, okay, and there's four more this week, and then there's four more next week, and there's four more next week, and there's four more next week, and there's four more next week. And that time machine's gonna be there, yeah.

And in an era when, like, you know, when the late night show was like a prominent pop culture, like it really mattered in the culture, celebrity access was really hard to get. You know, these were some of the most private people, you know, on earth, even the ones who wanted attention. Like you got it on late night shows, or you got it in, I guess, like,

you know, the National Enquirer or anything like that. Now, celebrity access, we're drowning in it. Everybody's their own brand, it's all over Instagram, everything. So also the late night shows are where you would go for like, oh, this crazy thing happened in the news. I wanna see what Leno said about it or Carson or Conan or whoever, and now you go on Twitter

or whatever your preferred thing is and there's a million jokes there. So all the reasons for like late night to, for people to watch are gone, other than comfort, other than like, oh, this is a comforting thing for me. It's a regular, or I like the person who hosts it. And I think the Malaney show, I think they tapped into that in such a smart way.

Like it was like, okay, what are some other things we can offer in this format now that those other things are just don't matter as much anymore. And like interesting guest bookings and like insanely specific segments and all that stuff. It was like, oh, this is amazing. Now, if they have to do that every week, I'm gonna, I'm really, I'm, honestly,

I'm not saying that I don't think they're gonna do it. I think they are gonna do it. I'm just so interested to see what that actually looks like. I just remembered Wayne Grow from Heat doing stand-up. Yeah! Um, I also have, now that I've praised the actual product, I have my sort of sub-tweet-length tank on it,

which is that I think it is secretly kind of a more personal project of where John Mulaney is at right now than Baby J was, his post-suburbanity special, where I think Baby J... you know, kind of had to serve other purposes besides what is the most funny and interesting thing right now? And like had to just address a lot of elephants in the room and reset expectations and just, it had to like shoulder a lot.

And I feel like because Everybody's in LA wasn't explicitly doing anything like that, it sort of in like a subtextual way, it felt like it was about like, I am in a place physically, but also you could read into it like sort of emotionally and psychologically that like I did not expect to end up.

I don't really understand. I like it, but I have to kind of like lean into it and square with how strange it is and learn to embrace the sort of quirks and just kind of give myself over to it in a way that felt more like, here's where my head is actually at, than like, let me explain to you what my problems are. And I felt it, found it like very personally relatable in this weird way where I was watching it and I was like, oh, this guy did the same thing I did, where they moved to LA and were like,

what the fuck is this? And then they read Mike Davis's City of Quartz. You could like watch that show and be like, that guy read that book. And you know, you try to figure it out. And I really loved it as like a transplants, very loving point of view on LA. And again, like about that sort of,

not just the like, oh, everyone's in yoga pants, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, it actually- Right, it got to the, what it actually feels like to be here. I wonder how, yeah. I wonder how it felt to, I mean, they didn't watch it. I was gonna say like, you're a random person in like Omaha,

but they probably just didn't watch it. Yeah. And also the live part where he was literally like, they tried to do the thing where they had people around the world simulcasting it, and then in the middle of it, he was like, yeah, this isn't working, I don't like it, let's stop. Yeah.

Yeah. It was great, man. It's a bit like, the more Malayni we can get in those kind of formats, the better. He would have been, he's like the greatest born, you know, 10 years too late, would have been like a born, you know, 10 years too late, would have been like a dream late night host. 20 years too late maybe.

Right, yeah, yeah, 20 years too late. Yeah, if he wanted to do it, he would have been amazing. Could have took it from Johnny. He could, he could, right out of, Johnny would have given anything. But also what I loved about him, you know, Johnny, I don't think Johnny would give anything. Is like, you're like, I know this guy

is like the best in the world at standup, but also like in standup, it's just you and a microphone and you're on stage. And it's like, this is what this person can do when they are decorating a set and hiring a writer's room and choosing music. And like in, when you're in that kind of like curatorial position, like you can show lots of sides of yourself and lots of interests that you maybe wouldn't have if it's just like, okay, talk into a microphone for an hour.

Yeah. It's so, it's fucking, it's so funny. Like I had to watch it multiple times. Like the first time I watched it, my, they're like having made a late night show part of my brain is like, what the fuck are you doing? Nobody's going to, this isn isn't gonna travel on YouTube. Like, all this like production like fucking CBS brain shit. Like I watched it through that filter and I'd be like, wait, no, are you enjoying this?

You are, okay, good, then it's good. Excellent pick, and your third pick. I had a few contenders for like what movie I was gonna go for and I decided I'm gonna go with challengers Just because again like yeah, I love tennis It was a rat boyfriend or something rat boy summer But I just love that it's the kind of movie that feels like we would have had one of these a month

in like 1997, where it's an original idea that's not based on anything with big movie stars who got it made and a director with a real point of view and a vision, and it didn't make like a million, you know, it didn't make a billion dollars, but it made kind of enough. And also, it was everywhere on my particular bubble of social media. You know, like the score, you know, you would hear that when you were just like around.

And it just made me so happy that it was like a smart adult drama about like human beings and feelings that didn't feel like homework. You know, that felt like a big movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Just made me happy. The end.

Yeah, I did not see Challengers. You didn't see it? I didn't see it. Is it out of my alley? Oh, you would like it. Yeah, you would like it a lot, I think. You would like it a lot. It's right there.

It's like always next until goddamn Billy Bob took my treadmill over. Shut up! Shut up! I'm just saying, he's here, he's my coach. It's a whole, I wasn't even talking about it. I hired him. I loved Challengers except for the ending, which bugged me. That's the thing, it's like when I left the theater talking about I hired him the in I loved challenges except for the ending which bugged me

That's the thing is like when I left the theater I was like what was that and then I like read a bunch of explainers and thought about it and was like oh actually It's genius. So what yeah, what was it supposed to we can say what the ending is, right? Okay, spoiler spoiler alert for the next 20 seconds or no Yeah, whatever it's, skip ahead if you want. But basically, like, no one really wins, or like who wins doesn't matter. And I think what matters is like,

the whole movie, they're kind of trying to get back to where they are in the hotel room. So like Sean, like when they're kids, and they're like baby tennis people, they go to a hotel room and like like don't quite have a threesome but just sort of make out. And she also gets like the two boys to make out, which is great.

And I think like for the rest of the movie, they're trying to get to that moment of synergy again. And then like in the final tennis match of like she's sitting there and like the two guys, and like you get these amazing shots of her literally like looking looking at one looking at the other looking back um and they at the end they like come together and kind of like crash into each other physically and like collapse the net so like in a real tennis sense i i am not actually sure what happens there, but in a emotional sense, it's like they're finally coming together

and really playing tennis in this like instinctual way. And she's injured, so she can't play tennis. So she's like living vicariously through the two of them. And she's gotten both of them to like tap into some part of themselves that they've kind of stashed away for a long time. And it's really beautiful. And I like, again, like it's really nice to have a movie that I've kind of stashed away for a long time. And it's really beautiful.

And I like, again, like it's really nice to have a movie where like, you know, it's got an ambiguous ending and it's not just telling you like, this is what happens and you know, enough people bought into it that it wasn't considered a failure. I'm excited to watch, it's on the list. I will watch it. I just haven't played it.

Yeah, I think you would really enjoy it, man. I do too. I will watch it. I just haven't played it. Yeah, I think you would really enjoy it, man. I do too. I wanna know who won. I do wanna know who won just cause it's like, what does it mean for the other guy who was not successful, right? There were so many stakes. There was so much.

There was so much at stake. High stakes. High stakes. Just on the test. There was an interview where someone was talking to the director and was like, what happens next? And he's like, they all go back to the hotel room. They finish what they started.

Yeah, they're a throuple. Challenge accepted. Did he unfreeze? Yeah, he froze for a second and he froze in the, this is a good plate of spaghetti. Mucho bene. Yeah, I can't wait to see it. I've like, oh man. I'm like, oh man. I'm like, oh man. I'm like, oh man. I'm like, oh man. I'm like, oh man.

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Yeah, it's so intense. Oh, man. Min's got a good point. I'll just put the incline up, and I'll start running like Ivan Drago, and yeah, I'll do that open hand. Yeah, you can run up a hill to that movie for sure. The knife run.

But anyone ever run like that with their hands flat? It seems so crazy. When I was in track, they said you're supposed to have your wrist completely limp when you're running. Because if you're flexing, you're just using energy for no reason. So you just, but that's why good runners do it with the limp wrist,

like their broken wrist or something. Take that with you. Bone me up, dude. Sean, time for your third pick. I'm gonna keep it on the television screen as well. The small screen as they say. I'm gonna draft the Penduin. Okay. Oh yeah.

It was so good. Again, just one of those. I really, I'm a, I'm a simple, I'm a simple critic. And I realized that the older I go where I'm like, this is just dope. Those are my thoughts when I watched someone like, Oh, that was dope. This is dope. The penguin got me all the way. Colin Farrell killed it. Yeah. I weirdly couldn't get into it. We watched like the first three and I kept falling asleep. And then I just never went back.

He was so icy. But that's what everybody says. It was awesome. I just. I don't know. I never watched it. I watched one episode. So like a weird thing about my job that probably is not interesting to anyone. But it means that because there's two of us, like, I have watched all of the most, like, random bullshit TV that no one has, other than me, has laid eyes on,

let alone thought about, and then I haven't seen a lot of, like, actually important shows that people care about. Right, because it's not your assignment. Because it went to the other person. So I watched one episode of The Penguin, and I wasn't like, this is bad, and I love Kristen Milioti, and she's great in it. because it went to the other person. So I watched one episode of The Penguin and I wasn't like, this is bad.

And I love Kristen Milliotti and she's great in it. And I- She kills it. I just didn't progress from there. Do you enjoy that at work? Do you find that like it helps where, like do you enjoy maybe the lesser known shows and your coworker likes the more like,

like The Penguin for example, or do you just kind of like pick? I mean, we've divvied up pretty organically. We're not like fighting over anything, but I don't know, sometimes I'm like, I watch like a French language fashion show on Apple, which means like literally no one has ever watched it because no one watches anything on Apple TV Plus.

I watch a lot of it. Yeah, and I was like, this is great. And like, I'm glad my job forced me to. And then sometimes I'm like, oh yeah, everyone on Planet Earth, I haven't finished Squid Game Season 2 because it just was not on my desk. So it's kind of up and down. With The Penguin, I'm who they market towards.

I'm who they want to sell those things to. All the origin story stuff, all the nostalgia stuff. I'm the person that buys any new flavor of Mountain Dew, all the seasonal cereals. I'm that person. Have you watched all the Marvel shows and stuff like that? I'm pretty, I'm losing track only because I just can't justify sitting down and watching,

oh gosh, I can't even think of the newest one. I haven't seen. Agatha all along. Yeah, I haven't. Those are the treadmill shows, so I'll pick one every now and again. But I'm behind. But before Max, I was, every Marvel, all that stuff,

give me all of it, I don't care one bit. So, The Penguin, I was actually, shout out to Adam Neuroth, I wasn't sold and Adam kind of was like, dude, I think you'll really enjoy the Penguin. And then I was like, immediately I was hooked. It's like the Sopranos but Batman is real, right? That's what I'm saying. And he's like, he's just such a, I don't know,

like you don't feel bad for him, but you kind of, like everything, the odds are stacked up against him. And then through the story, you're like, oh, he's just like a raw, bad person. Yeah. Like he's all bad. There's nothing good in there. The panguagenic is cool.

I don't know, man. I can identify with that, dude. I mean, that's kind of like, you know, now that everything is IP, you know, when people are able to smuggle and they're like, okay, like maybe I really want to make like a mob show, but I can't get that green lit without something attached to it.

So like, fuck it, I'll make Colin Farrell, I'll put Colin Farrell in a fat suit and go from there. That's why I'm trying to smuggle my emotional family drama into the Geico universe. Geco? Caveman or Geco, yeah. About being a child of divorce, yeah. His parents are cavemen. It's gonna be good

Yeah, man, I think I loved it. All right Wrapped does he does he make any penguin noises in it? No, and that's he's funny. I do think it's Luke It's kind of cowardice to shorten Oswald Cobble pot to Oz Cobb. He walks, he waddles. His name's Oz Cobb? Yeah. His name's not Oswald Cobblepot? His mom, his name is that, but his mom calls him Oswald a lot,

but yeah, his name is Oswald Cobblepot. It's just, they call him Oz, right? Or am I, his name in the show really is, it's, that can't be. They say Cobb. I don't know if that was like he, it's like you show up at Ellis Island and you go from like, to Walskavitz to Lord Balfourian.

To Cobb, it's me, Ozz Cobb. Italian Inamogur. What are you talking about? Oh, his last name is Cobb, C-O-B-B, Oswald Ozz Cobb. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's weak. Does he eat a salad of the rest of the season There it is Oz iceberg

They show him waddle and they show his foot like it's you know, there's little little nods to it, but he's not You know, I did like in the Batman universe in in like Tim Burton and was Joel Schumacher like they're it they're like circusy This is a set in a little more realistic type so he can't be like eating pigeons, you know No one's gonna take you seriously David your third pick. I'm taking the true decider of the election. I'm taking mood dang. Oh, because how fun was that?

I was right. Then she voted wrong. But whatever. Is that what happened? You don't remember that? No, I miss that part. They gave like the two things and she went to the Trump one or whatever. Oh, moodang. Oh, no, I didn't know they did. What did things and she went to the Trump one or whatever. Oh, mudang.

Oh, no. I didn't know they did, what did they do? They're just like, walked to one? Yeah, it was like. They put Trump on like a carrot, cause it's orange? Four more years of winter. It was like a little, like almost like a parfait

looking thing, I don't know. But yeah, I wanted to eat that little hippo so bad. She was so pissed. You spray it with a hose, you got so mad, she took the water. It was, with a hose, you got so mad. She took the water. It's like, I mean, man. Were you in for Fiona the baby hippo a few years back too? No.

Dude, I just got into animals in general. I don't remember Fiona. Oh yeah, every year there's a new, every few years there's another baby hippo, and it's great. I would be fine with that. Like, it should be, every year there's a winter Olympics where you should get a baby hippo. Every year there's another baby hippo, and it's great. I would be fine with that. It should be, every year there's a winter Olympics, we should get a baby hippo.

Every year. It could be every year. Oh man, look at that, she is cute. Yeah, has Mudang outgrown her cutesiness now? Is she just a regular hippo yet? I feel like I stopped seeing her around- She's a whole awkward and gawky teenage hippo. I stopped seeing her around the election,

after that happened. Trump ate her. It's like if everyone stopped watching MSNBCs. Yeah. Trump ate Moodang and absorbed her power. That's what happened. You know I don't care for that guy. Don Trump?

Yeah, I don't care. I don't care for him. Taking a stand. Standing on business. Yeah, Moodang. But yeah, it was just fun and there was nothing to it, and it felt like everybody was there for a little bit. Mudang was one of the most Googled things of this year. Trying to find any updates, there's nothing after November!

What did I say, man? What did they do to her? After that happened, everybody was out. And you still think we landed on the moon. Okay. And have that conversation offline, dude. All right? No, you can't.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. They're everywhere. Everything's online, bro. Mudang, excellent pick. With my third pick, I'm going to take the TV show. I didn't watch a ton of new TV this year, and for that I apologize, but I did watch a new limited docu-series,

which took me, my household, and dare I say the country by storm. Taking chimp crazy. Man, that shit was awesome. Me and Alana, we were just talking about how we wish it had been more time since it happened so we could go back and watch it again. Yeah, yeah.

It was, from what I hear, it's a brutal rewind. It was crazy. It's crazy! And it has legit, I can't believe the fucking Tiger King team did it again, because this has legit, how could they do it again? On camera revelation. I don't even wanna say.

I don't even wanna say one in case you haven't seen it. But like, how could you even do it again? I can't believe it was able. They were able to do it again? Then it was like, the whole time we were watching, I was just like, animal people are nuts. That's what happened. It's also in Florida, right?

No. No, it's like in Ohio, right? It's Missouri? It's deep Midwest somewhere. Yeah. Okay, she's just spiritually a Florida woman. Absolutely. Not, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It draws on the power emanating from Florida. Also an athleisure queen. Oh, big time athleisure queen. That woman did not wear a hard pant the entire series. Not once. Not once. That's it. I do have some friends who did a couple's costume

where one was the chimp and one was the woman. One was Tonka? Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, it was pretty good. No, that shit had me gripped. It's so good, it pays off. Gorilla gripped, would you say? I would say, I would say I was gorilla gripped

over chimp crazy. Chimp gripped. If you haven't seen it, just watch it. It's one of those, if you like Tiger King, or you like any of those like, where you're watching and you're like, shut the fuck up, like in the middle of an episode, this one does it for you. It's brutal at times, for sure,

because it's about the ownership of chimpanzees. That's what's kept me away, was the brutal aspect. You should watch it anyway. Yeah, if you watched the movie, nope, and you were like, owning a chimp seems like a great idea. That was my takeaway from that story. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just, it's just great. It's just great. I really, really enjoyed it. So I'm taking that with my third pick. And with my fourth pick, we've talked around it, and I gotta take it right now too, because I think I can get my, if I want any more music,

oh, I already have two music picks, nevermind. I'm staying in the TV world. I have, outside of his movies, I have never really interacted with a Taylor Sheridan body of work before. Body. And I started this in 2025, but the show itself premiered November 17th, 2024.

I am taking, and not, but retweets do not equal endorsements here. I just wanna say that. I am taking Landman. Star, go on, please. I can't wait to hear it. I was gonna say, as a coastal elite TV critic who was once aggregated by Fox News

for calling a Taylor Sheridan show shameless military propaganda. Yeah. Which one, all of them? Did he do Homeland? Especially Lioness. Yeah. Okay.

Which Nicole Kidman is in. People forget that. And Morgan Freeman. She's in a lot. But I gave Landman a positive review. Did you really? I should have looked that up before we started. It's winning us over.

And I will say anecdotally, it's like the one Taylor Sheridan show that like people in my like Twitter universe of guys in Brooklyn, like they seem into it. Billy, it's... Can I read how you described it to me and Shane? How I described it to you guys, yes please. Can I read what- Texted Sean and Shane about it. David it to you guys, yes please. Yeah, can I read what-

I texted Sean and Shane about it. David, I think you might like it too, but I know Sean and Shane would like it. He goes, tell me you guys are watching Land Man, and then we add a little dialogue, and then he goes, the vibe is like, dumber, raunchier, way more crime, Friday Night Lights. And I honestly, I was like,

you played me like a fiddle, my friend. Yeah, yeah. And I turned it on. I think I'm right. Maybe 45 minutes later, I'm on the treadmill being like this fucking guy knows how to describe a show Kind of thinks it's Friday night lights in that it plays like light sensitive guitar music Oil derricks everywhere. But the actual content of the show is like completely at odds with the tone. It is like those blue Takis.

You know what I mean? You know you go to the convenience store and they have those like electric blue Taki chips and you're like, oh, they're not even trying to like tell us that it's anything other than what it is. It's so purely what, and and it's got great at like Billy Bob Thornton is Wonderful in it. He's it's such a good performance from him John Hamm is in it. Although mostly via while he's on the phone getting on and off

Private jets or at a country club or at a Texas Christian University track meet. It is hilarious. I just watched the track meet. Demi Moore's barely in it. Allie Larder is in it. Right. Why is Demi Moore in it? Why? Why not? Stand there. She plays Johnny Ham's wife. She's barely in it.

None of these are spoilers. It is such pure unfiltered oil industry propaganda that... That's so funny. If you watch it on Paramount Plus, there are literal ads for the oil industry that like introduced the show because they clearly were like, this is a great propaganda opportunity. Yeah, like I'm watching it being like, oh, oil. There's an anti-vax character who is not ridiculed for it. There is like just pure, they're like dressing downs

about how green, the green New Deal and green energy is stupid because it takes up more, it has a bigger carbon footprint than it erases, comes out of a character's mouth and nobody, and like people say this shit, and in a show that was interested in drama there would be a counterpoint. There isn't in landmine.

No, Billy Bob convinced me that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. I'm like, why haven't they thought about it that way? That's a legit thing that happens. There's a running date on this show where his character's an alcoholic so he doesn't drink except for Michelob Ultra. And his point, so the guy goes,

you know there's alcohol in there, he's like, give me six whiskeys and six Michelob Ultra. I mean, but then his point, so the guy goes, you know there's alcohol in there, he's like, give me six whiskeys and six Michelob Ultras and see which one, and I'm like, that's a good point, it's barely drinking, doesn't count. Also the show, I don't know why, like I should be the most like, you know, as like a priggish feminist, I should be so offended by how weirdly obsessed the show is

by Billy Bob's teenage daughter having sex. All of his, all of his 70 year old, I should be so offended by how weirdly obsessed the show is by Billy Bob's teenage daughter having sex. But I'm just like. All of his 70 year old, his like, I'm 75 year old roommate is like, I'm being a Christian man and I'm not facing the pool looking at your daughter. And like, bro, she's 55 years younger than you are.

I was talking to our friend Jason Concepcion about this. And he brought up a great point, which is that every woman in the show is either like a sex-obsessed, like vapid, like, I don't know, like, Harpy, kind of, they're all various degrees of Harpy. There's like the sex-obsessed, vapid kind, and then there's the lawyer is the other kind,

which is like- She's just a bitch. She went to school in Chicago and she's just a vindictive bitch. That's all she is. And then there's like the Mexican mother who I won't say anything else, but she was like a saint.

So there's no, that's you. They're either a saint or just a complete fucking idiot bitch or a smart bitch. And those are the two kinds of women in the idiot bitch or a smart bitch and those are the two kinds of women in the show. Also, speaking of people who are randomly on the show and you're like, why are you here? Jerry Jones comes in.

Jerry Jones is in it? From both teams? The Jerry Jones I'm thinking of? I can't imagine a way he wouldn't be in it. And I haven't even met him yet in the show. He delivers a completely improvised speech that has nothing to do with the plot of Land Man. If I get to vote again on next year's Emmys

and he's up for best guest appearance, I would vote for it. He nails it. He's 100, I am not even kidding. I am in slack rooms of people who know about this shit. That guy is 100% getting an Emmy nomination. He should. And he should. Jerry Jones?

And he should. God, dude. I swear to God. He really could do it all. David just goes, God damn. It's the best non-actor monologue I've seen. It's crazy. But the speech he delivers is all about, like,

how important it is to, to like work with your kids. And then John Ham's daughters are just like track runners at Texas Christian University. Like that's not even a relevant concern for him. They're going right down Main Street with this show. Maybe I'm only two episodes in. Maybe there's some twists. Oh, you're only two episodes in? Yeah.

To me, I'm just like, OK, I'd, and trust me, we'll be in touch about it. OK, good. But it is everything where I'm like, oh, yeah, huh, huh, huh. It gets worse. I'll say that. I don't care. This is what I was saying earlier.

Like, I'll drink a cotton candy Mountain Dew while I watch it. I don't care. Because Taylor Sheridan is just cranking out like 17 shows a year and he refuses to have a writer's room, like you can tell it's like a first draft. Like when I'm looking at it from like a structural and story point of view, I'm like, where is this going? What is the point of these scenes?

Why is Allie Larder's character, sorry, spoiler, randomly in a nursing home? And like, that's her calling. Just cause you thought that would be fun. And how does she know, how does she get access to the nursing home and like that's her calling. Just cause you thought that would be fun. And how does she know? How does she get access to the nursing home? She sees one.

There's a whole conversation where they're talking about coming like sexually and then seamlessly they changed to saying like, well, no, you really should come though. And then they're talking about like getting to where they're at. And you're like, you just, you just, you didn't, you just went from one definition to the other and we're just supposed to get it. And you're not laughing you just went from one definition

to the other and we're just supposed to get it and you're not laughing, it's crazy writing. And I'm a bad writer. I have one episode left and I'm like, I have no idea what needs to be resolved in the finale. I have no sense of suspense or investment. Anything could happen, nothing could happen. I'd be like, sure, that's a normal way

to wrap up a season of television. Sean, you're in episode two, where this ends up in but five or six short episodes is going to fucking, you're not gonna, you're gonna be like what? I'll let you know in about two miles, so it's about two miles of show, roughly. Two and a half, and yeah, so I'll let you know

in about 12 miles where we're at. It's nuts. And there's really good performances in it. Yeah, and Billy Bob's doing like, if you could just turn up Roadhouse. He's just doing all that stuff where you're like, okay, all right. He's so charming. He's just so charming.

But he's such a prick. And he's still somehow, I'm like, I would let that guy talk to me like that. He didn't tip the bartender. Charming's not the right word, charisma. He has such a charisma that just pours through him. I'm like, I would let that guy talk to me like that. He didn't tip the bartender. Charming's not the right word, charisma. He has such a charisma that just pours through him. It's like, I forgot, I forgot that about Billy Bob Thorne

because I can't remember the last time I really watched something he was in. It's great. He's oozing, yeah. But again, it's not a endorsement of any of the philosophies espoused by Taylor's sharing of that show. I gotta get into the show. You gotta get into it.

Laura keeps that, she's like, is it a show for guys? I go, yeah, it's one of those. Dana's that bad by me and watched every episode up until the last two. It's again, like it's so entertaining that it like overrides my powers of like, like there's a whole plot line where like all the guys, before they go to work on the rig, they all go to the same coffee shop

that's just staffed by women in bikinis. It's like the first scene. Those are real. They are, we have them in Portland. Bikinis and brews it's called on that show, and it's the first scene. That's why I was telling Lauren, she's like, yep. David, time for your fourth pick.

Oh man. I want to pick. Oh man. So it's like, there's two movies that I want to pick. There's one that I really liked, but then there's the other one that was like the bigger movie of the year. And the rollout was so huge that I feel like I wicked. Sure. Massive.

That rollout, it was like, they were, those two were, everywhere was insane. The Arc de Triomphe was green because of it. You don't think of it, that seems like American shit. You don't think about someone else doing it where you're like, oh. Oh yeah, they spend money in France. They'll do it over there too. They'll do anything, any monument.

This shit went hard. This is a great movie. I mean, you also could have just picked the holding space interview, which was like, Oh my God. Yeah, that's it. A moment, a moment in time. What's that? I don't know what that is. So they did a press junket interview

that like, you can kind of tell was one of those. So apparently they also recorded it the day after the election, which like explains a lot. You can also tell it's like these two women, they've been trapped in that room for four days. Like all they've been doing is press for this movie. Yeah. Same questions over and over.

And they're being interviewed by this woman who like who's from some like queer media outlet. I don't know if it's like out or the Advocate or something like that. And she's talking about the election and she's like, yeah, I've seen that, you know, a lot of people right now are taking the space, the lyrics of Defying Gravity and really holding space with that and feeling power in that.

What does that mean? I couldn't tell you. But then, but she says this and Cynthia Revo is like, immediately just like overcome with emotion. And she's like, I Cynthia Erivo is like immediately just like overcome with emotion. And she's like, I didn't know that was happening. Again, what is that? I don't know.

That's so awesome. I don't know what you're saying, and I didn't know. And then Ariana Grande takes her hand and clutches just Cynthia Erivo's finger, which has like a super long nail on it. And it's just holding her finger instead of holding her hand. And they're just like gushing and emoting. And it just, it was like, oh, that interview alone,

probably as many people saw it, I saw the movie Wicked. Pure emotion devoid of any real meaning. It was, it was crazy. And Cynthia Revo was like, that's what I wanted. That's what I wanted. That's what I wanted. My fingers cold.

She didn't write the lyrics of Define Gravity. That was another level. Like it's like, you didn't write the, also the lyrics of Define Gravity aren't that deep too. It just works on every level. Yeah, I gotta say, I like spent a lot of time with the W wicked original cast recording as like a kid when it first came out.

And like, I have never revisited it in any way. I did not like go back and brush up before the movie came out. And the second the soundtrack hit, I was like, I know every single word to every single song. I can like nod my head. Like it just hit imprinted on me and I'd like forgotten. I mean, I'd forgotten all the story.

I was like, what? Like there's talking animals? Like that's happening. But you know, just all the songs I was like popular. What is this feeling? Obviously Defying Gravity. Like that show has bangers and they really hit in a theatrical context.

Defying Gravity that at the end, like I got full blown goosebumps sitting in that theater. And I was not a wicked kid at all. That was my first interaction with it other than hearing Dana talk about it. Same, yeah, except for my girl saw it like four times. But she saw a bunch of it. But yeah, I love a big movie too.

I love a big movie, I love big sets. I love a big, beautiful thing to watch for two and a half hours. Ariana Grande was funny, she was great. Yeah, she nailed it. They both nailed it. It was pretty. After seeing her on SNL, she just seems like

she's really just talented in all, in you know, just in a bunch of ways. Like not just an amazing singer. She was very funny on SNL. I mean she came up on a Nickelodeon sitcom. Like she's always had to like act comedically. I didn't know that. This was the year of like Nick, I mean, many years are,

but of Nickelodeon and Disney Kids in such a big way between Zendaya and Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez, like crazy. Still, the Elphaba dancing silently in that club went on so long, right? It was so hard to watch. I was like, where is this going? Oh man, it was brutal.

And like the whole Elphaba thing where you're just like, of course she became the Wicked Witch. You gave her no choice. You gave her no choice, you backed her into a corner. Come on. Yeah. That dancing was hard to watch too. It was so hard to watch.

And I'm like, is it supposed to be? Is there something in the musical or the book that like would have made me understand this a little bit more? I have to like, did that movie need to be two and a half hours? Probably not. When I was listening to the soundtrack, I was also like, did that movie need to be two and a half hours? Probably not. When I was listening to the soundtrack,

I was also like, oh my God, yeah, like they're taking all of these songs that were like three minutes and they're like eight and a half minutes long, the movie version. I gotta say, like, I thought the movie making was not my favorite aspect of it, but just like how good the performances are

and how good the songs are meant that like, you know, no matter what, they could have been in like a black box theater and it would have been like a worthwhile experience. The lighting, and listen, I know that's like a huge topic on like social media and everything, but deservedly so. Why? Why was it lit so weird?

Why would you have a window with natural light in the back of every shot? Why would you do that? It was like everything was backlit. You're like, I wouldn't post a picture of my mom I took that was that backlit. And that's the whole movie? Not the whole movie, but like many crucial scenes?

That was weird. Shockingly large portions of the movie or just like the way like the dancers were framed where I was like watching it the whole time. many crucial scenes, that was weird. Shockingly large portions of the movie, or just like the way like the dancers were framed, where I was like watching it the whole time and I was like, remember Barbie? Like remember the musical numbers in Barbie? That's not actually technically a musical

that somehow felt like a better made musical than this, but like having, you know, having spent a lot of time with the original show, I thought Ariana, like, totally nailed Glinda and added kind of some extra layers on top, and then the way Cynthia, I was like, it's a completely different, like, kind of character. Like, she's not, like, because it's a movie and you can just watch her kind of, like,

subtly make a face and you get the emotion she's feeling. Like she obviously can belt, but she also makes Elphaba this like very quiet, you know, wounded person. I hope they're definitely both gonna get Oscar nominations, but they're great. Yeah. So good. Excellent pick.

With Ariana supporting Cynthia Leigh? Probably, right? I mean, they're submitting that way, but this is so funny to me. At the same time, they are like, we are co-stars of Wicked. We were paid equally. Yeah.

Cynthia Riva was not paid less because she's less famous. We negotiated together. We are partners. And then when it comes time to submit for the awards, they're like, but Ariana's supporting and Cynthia's lead. Actually, that's the music's part of the story. And they're like, okay. We're basically partners, but we're not gonna ruin it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Ariana probably has a better chance to win because of that. It's probably a less competitive category. That's why they do category fraud. Sean Jordan, time for your fourth. That's a studio album, dude, category fraud. Yeah. Uh, I got Sean Jordan. Sean Jordan, time for your fourth. That's a good album, dude. Category fraud. Yeah.

Uh. Yeah. I got a lot. The, uh, the, the, Ares tour coming out on Disney. That was, uh. Oh, okay. That was a big one for me.

I wanted to spend like $500 on a ticket. Couldn't, couldn't swing that with, uh, with the partner. So that was very fun. I enjoyed. Yeah. Flipped it on its head. You would want to go to Taylor. And the wife did.

She would like to go for, you know, 40 bucks. Is she a Taylor Swift fan? Oh boy. Yeah, yeah. Not like you though. I mean, she's pretty, she definitely likes Taylor Swift. Not, I mean, I could sit unless I love, I love it. I mean, I could listen to that as easily as I could sit and listen, I love it.

I could listen to that as easily as I could listen to All Eyes on Me, which defined my middle school. But yeah, I don't know, it was just so cool. It was so fun to see the actual, the whole concert, watch the whole thing. I don't know, it was great. It was very fun. I had the exact same experience where I was like,

I like Taylor Swift, but not enough to pay $500 and my firstborn child to go see her. And so when it was in theaters, I was like, okay, sure. Like, I'll go see this. And it was really cute. Like my theater had a bunch of like kids who had their own glowy bracelets and were like dancing in the aisles

and were, you know, having a good time. And I was like, yeah, I feel like I got to be a part of this cultural moment, even though I wasn't physically in the stadium. Also, I think someone chose the Aras Tour last year, and they could have chosen it this year because Jesus Christ, that tour went on so long. I think I did pick it last year.

But yeah. Didn't you go, did you go or you did not go? Dana went, I didn't go. Dana went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dana went like night one, and now you guys have a baby. That's how long it's been. Yeah, that's crazy. For real, she was not pregnant when she went.

She went to the Vegas shows, yeah. She bought, we got, I got through MasterCard, the pre-order, the, or not MasterCard, American Express, the LA tickets. She flipped those and got the Vegas tickets. She loved it, she had the best time. Yeah, I would've, I wonder what I would be like at the show.

I get, the older I get, I don't wanna stand and watch a four, I just don't wanna be at a four hour show. Yeah. No matter who it is. She's got so many bangers though. I know, I still, I still. She's got so many bangers.

Or I get to drop the broke. Well, they're like the evermore portions, you could like lie down, take a nap. Yeah. Yeah. There's downbeats drop the broke. Well, during like the evermore portions, you could like lie down, take a nap. Yeah. Yeah. There's down beats in the program. Yeah, it's for a reason, dude. There's the part of me where I'm like,

nah, I did the right thing by watching it on the couch. But it was just really fun to see the whole, like the whole actual show, even though I guess they did cut some stuff out and chop it a little bit. The chopped and screwed Taylor's. Chopped and screwed Taylor's. Don't say that.

Allison, time for your fourth and then your final picks. Okay, for my fourth pick, I'm actually gonna go in a more like, David-y direction and do more of a viral moment. And I'm gonna pick Conan on Hot Ones. Oh yeah. I didn't watch it. I remember everybody talking about it.

I did not watch it. He got himself a gig hosting the Oscars because he burned himself with hot sauce. That is how committed that guy is. And he did like, he like brought in actors to like assist him. Like he had like a quote unquote doctor who was like on staff that was like one of his longtime writers in a white coat. Like, he showed up and he committed and he came with, like, a pre-existing, like, arc

in mind and also was, like, rubbing the hot sauce all over himself and just was, like, physically committed. But also, like, the appearance is great, but it meant, like, it was, like, a very positive version of what happens after someone dies. It was like, he didn't even have to die. And then everyone was just coming out and would work with stories of like, Conan was so nice to me when I was an intern on his show,

or like, I've always loved Conan so much. Here are my favorite bits from when he was on TBS. Like, it just was this like outpouring of positive sentiment around Conan O'Brien. And he didn't even have to like lose a leg or something. He just was really good at his job and also feels very like 2020 whatever that it was his appearance on the Chicken Wing Hot Show

that led the producers of the Oscars to be like, yeah, like this is a good idea. Yeah, fuck, he was so good. It is like a, it is, the Hot Ones is like the brass ring of promotion now. Like, Charlize, not Charlize, who played Tar? What's her name, forgot to say. Cate Blanchett.

Cate Blanchett. You're like, okay, Blanchett will go on Hot Ones. It's nuts. The level of actor who goes on that hot chicken wind show. Imagine that thoughPlan Chat. You're like, okay, Plan Chat will go on Hot Ones. It's nuts. The level of actor who goes on that Hot Chicken Wood show. Imagine that though, if they're like, okay, you can sit in new press junkets for four days, now you get to go on Hot Ones and you can have a little fun. You can bounce around a little bit.

That would be a nice little break. And I've always been interested if I could handle, you know, it'd be fun to go on there and see what actually happens, because I can handle some hot stuff. So it'd be fun to be like there and see what actually happens because I can handle some hot stuff. So it'd be fun to be like, where am I gonna break? Because everyone's got that point. They turned down Kamala, which is so crazy.

That is right. That is how powerful they are, that a presidential candidate wanted to come on and they were like, nah, we don't need that. Yeah, it's honestly smart to not get dragged into that. They're Switzerland of American politics. They're just staying out of it. Would you get tenders on there, Sean?

No, I don't. That's a good question. They don't eat the whole wing. They just take a couple bites. So they're doing it. You're talking about getting boned out. That's a bad one. Yeah.

That's a bad one. Has anyone gone on Hot Ones and just cleaned the bones? Cause I would have done that. Nope. Well, good for you. Well, I'm trying to think of like, who are the people who famously just like handled it and like barely batted an eye. I think Lord was one.

Yeah. My nephew right now, he's in that state. It just reminded me Ian, cause like, I'll bring something up and he'll be like, I'm so good at that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like we brought him with a BOSU ball the other day and he's like, I can balance so good.

And I'm like, are you sure you can? Oh, that was funny. I'm so good at that. Has anyone cleaned the wings? Cause I would. That was great. I wouldn't have said I wouldn't. I know you would. I know. I can know, I don't have it in me.

I'm sorry. I'm looking at a list, apparently Jenna Ortega handled them really well, Padma Lakshmi, Elizabeth Olsen, Charlize, somebody named Coach Brad Underwood, anyway. Coach Brad. That would make sense. Conan's gonna do so great with the Oscars.

Yeah. He's never done it before, isn't that crazy? That's why, well, it. Conan's gonna do so great with the Oscars. Yeah. He's never done it before. Isn't that crazy? Why, well, it is crazy. At the same time, I kinda get it. I thought I remembered him doing it. And then I was like, oh yeah, that was the Emmys where I remember he did a bit about like locking

Bob Newhart in like a glass cage and they like wheeled him out on stage. It's gonna be great. The Oscars has lost enough prestige now It sort of met him where he's at cuz like I bet they would have been squeamish in the past Yeah about it. Let's see what you mean. That's yeah, that's a good point about do it like You know humoring his silliest ideas, but I think now Fucking go off your Go off, King.

Your final draft. Okay, my final draft pick, I'm gonna go back to TV, my comfort zone, and I'm gonna pick the third season of HBO's Industry. Because they literally programmed it in the succession slot on Sunday at 9 p.m. And it was like... I really appreciate that it is so rare in TV these days to give shows time to grow.

And I have loved that show. So for those of you who are unfamiliar, it is a British, like, BBC HBO co-production. That's kind of like, what if, if like skins or euphoria were also billions? Like it's it starts with a bunch of like 22 year old sociopaths who start as grunts at a London investment bank and follows them from there. And the co-creators used to work in finance, so they kind of know what they're talking about. And like sort of similar to Charlie XCX, it's a British pop cultural object that I have been The co-creators used to work in finance, so they kind of know what they're talking about.

And sort of similar to Charlie XCX, it's a British pop cultural object that I have been invested in from day one. But it felt like it really paid off this season because not only... So HBO was also like, we're out of stuff because of the strikes, so let's tap in the British show. So they programmed it on Sundays at 9 p.m., which is like the big HBO slot, because I think it had been airing on Fridays before. That's where Entourage used to be. Yeah, the Entourage Memorial Aquaman slot. But they both gave it more of a spotlight

in their own promotion, but also the show has really grown into something where you really feel the characters, they start them when they're 22-year-old shitheads and they're just doing cocaine all the time and making terrible decisions. Nice, nice. And now they're still making terrible decisions,

but they have much bigger consequences and they're getting making terrible decisions, but they have like much bigger consequences and they're, you know, getting married and buying houses and promoted into jobs with actual power to like ruin people's lives. And I love when you're like, oh, all of the time that the show has been able to spend like building these characters and relationships really pays off. And so like my Hala is the star of the show, and she's, like, this American girl in London Finance who has always been great, but this season,

they really turned Marisa Abella, who plays, like, this, uh, publishing heiress who's on the outs of their family. Like, they made her a real co-lead of the show, and it's like, oh, she's also great. And like having two people kind of shoulder the weight of the show is amazing. And I was just so happy to see like a show get success

like that because stuff gets canceled so quickly now. Right. So that's my spiel, industry is great. Everyone should watch it. I'm excited to watch it. Again, I haven't started it. Is it, am I crazy? I watched the first season. Industry is great. Everyone should watch it. I'm excited to watch it. Again, I haven't started it. Is it, am I crazy? I watched the first season. It is intense.

Yeah, great treadmill show. Is the first two seasons older and then there's a new one or are they all like consecutively new? First season was a few years ago, right? I think the first one came out in like 2020, which I think is also part of it, where it was like, some stuff got a boost from the pandemic and some stuff was like not right now.

And I think they kind of got affected by that. But it's just like quietly been appreciated. And this was the time where like every Sunday night at 9pm I would see people tweeting about it. I'm convinced. I'm going to check it out. May time be in. Yeah, during those 2 a.m. feedings.

Don't watch, don't watch. Sean, your final pick. Shaboosie. He got in my kitchen. All right. Oh yeah, Tipsy. It was so good. I don't know.

I loved it. It was everywhere immediately. It was catchy. Just one of those songs of the summer for me. So, Shaboosie. I still don't think I've heard it all the way through. How do you know that? I don't know. I'm not sure. It was everywhere immediately. It was catchy. Just one of those songs of the summer for me. So, Shaboosie. I still don't think I've heard it all the way through.

I would eat the chicken wings and I wouldn't leave any skin on there at all. Yeah, dude, you can do double jumps and I do singles. I get it. But it's like... Does he have another song? It's just the one song, right? I don't know, I don't care.

Well, he was on the Beyonce album, which like was the first time I'd heard of him, and then all of a sudden he was everywhere. I felt like he really leveraged that in a good way. It helps that he's doing tipsy from Jaquan's tipsy. That really helped me. If you Google Shibuzy, the screen tips back and forth. I'm serious.

What? Yes, Google Shibuzy. Don't make me feel stupid. Swear to God. That's that Universal music group, Dark Money. I don't even know if he's assigned to that. What the fuck? It did do that.

Am I, is that happening because you said it because it really happened? Because I said? What do you think, I'm a sorcerer? What'd you do to my eyes? That's crazy. It did happen. And if you ever stop podcasting,

I'll come steal your daughter. I love doing this. That was crazy. It really does happen. Everybody try it. Oh man, there's the breakout. I don't want to know. Shaboosie.

There you go. Yeah, tepid response, but I'll take it. That's all right. No, shaboozy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tepid response, but I'll take it. That's all right. No, it was huge. There's people at home nodding. You know, home at home getting tipsy. My Google screen. David, it's really the internet's really smart, man. Sure. Yeah. And all at the same time. We don't have to harp on it, but it was just, has been a major part of the year. I'm taking the Diddy stuff. That shit's nuts.

That shit's wild. It's bald. Fuck. Wild. Fuck. It's, it is like fucking wild. It's crazy. Yeah, it's major.

Cause then you start going and looking back and you're like dressed like the Joker. And then he was mean. He was so mean when he was dressed like the Joker. He was really leaning into that character. Maybe that's why he changes names so many times. Just trying to evade the law. Maybe.

No one will ever figure it out. If I go from puff daddy to diddy The disconnect is huge. It's just one of those perfect stories about like money and power and yeah in like a thinly like a thinly like a loosely kept secret like where it's like everybody's Like no, we've always known for it. It's just really wild. The magnitude of it. Like, they rated it, it's really real fun. And it's where, like, in the first quarter of that story, I feel like.

That's what it feels like, too. That's what it's like. But yeah, because just the depth of it, where you're just like, this guy was just a terrorist for 20 years. Yeah. And another thing that plays perfectly into this American sense of paranoia

and conspiracy right now too, cause they're like, once the ditty, like the names leak, like once that comes out, like it's gonna upend American culture forever. I mean, the number of times I've seen some version of like Jeffrey Epstein is probably gonna run up, you know, it's gonna run it back. Not that, you know that I wish that on anyone

or am responsible for that if that happens. Shout out to my future lawyer. But yeah, like just the, oh, like there are lots of people who might have their dirty laundry aired who don't want it aired as a result of this. Yeah, completely. It's that, it's the, I mean,

yeah, it's again, it's one of those things where you're like, well, that. It's happened before, I guess, with Epstein. It's it's what people suspect it confer. It plays into your darkest suspicions. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, that's what it is. It plays in the entertainment industry of all those things. Yeah. Power of politics, of money,

of like all that stuff. And it's just like, you're like, fuck, it's enough breadcrumbs that you're like, maybe there are these vast conspiracies and all that stuff, you know? Also, I feel like with Weinstein and R. Kelly, I feel like I kind of had this like, oh, if people were like that egregious,

we must have already gotten them, right? Like if anyone was doing anything that crazy, this like, oh, if people were like that egregious, we must have already gotten them, right? Like if anyone was doing anything that crazy, we would have found out about it in the whole like 2018, 2017 era. And to be like, oh no, there are people who were like just as bad, who just happened to like dodge that bullet, but are still, you know, walking around is wild.

Yeah. Fucking wild. I'm going to take, with my final pick, I'm gonna take a real pain. Ah. The Jesse Eisenberg, Kieran Culkin movie about going back to Poland to visit, kind of like a, their ancestry tour,

and like to visit like a concentration camp and all that stuff. Just probably the movie I enjoyed the most this year so far. And there's a couple I haven't seen, but two great, great, great performances. Kieran Culkin, just amazing, man. He's just such a good actor. Come up for that, dude.

I mean, just to- Think about it every time I watch Home Alone. Every time? For real? Because, like, I watched Home Alone and this within, like, a week of each other, and I was like, huh, that kid? All right. I think he always had it. I'm just gonna do a plug. Have you guys seen the variety, Actors on Actors, presented by PBS,

um, Kieran and Coleman Domingo? Oh, it's so good. Oh, man,ieran and Coleman Domingo. Oh, it's so good. Oh man, I love Coleman Domingo. They vibe so well. It's incredible. That's what I love. When they're talking about the morning routines, they're like oil and water,

but they're more like oil and vinegar, where you're like, this is delicious together. Yeah, that's a nice little hot sauce they made made it where they're like, like Coleman Domingos, like gets up at five because he doesn't like to feel rushed in the morning. And he's like, I like having some space to myself when I wake up and Karen Colkin's like, if my car is at nine, I wake up at nine.

Like that's, but it's so, yeah, they're awesome together. But yeah, I just really, really enjoyed that movie. I thought Jennifer Grey was great in it. Kind of a late career, great role for Jennifer Grey. Will Sharp, shout out to the White Lotus. Will Sharp playing like a completely different dude than he did in the White Lotus.

Which one is Will Sharp in White Lotus? He's Aubrey Plaza's husband who's newly rich from tech. Which one is Will Sharp in White Lotus? Is he the hotel? He's Aubrey Plaza's husband who's newly rich from tech. Oh yeah, yeah, he's funny. It's just a really, really, pleasant is kind of the wrong word because then it's anxious and there's a lot of difficult stuff in it, but it's, I don't know, I just really loved it. I thought it was great.

Judging from the trailer, it looks as pleasant as that scenario could be, you know? Like as lighthearted as you could make it, I guess. I don't know. It might connect more for like other Jews of Polish extraction, you know what I mean? Who are like. Yeah. Like, but I don't know, it was right down,

right down Main Street for me. For the listeners at home, I just raised my hand and wiggled my fingers because that also describes me. I was going to ask, have you seen The Brutalist? Not yet. Speaking of two week holocaust stuff. I know it has an intermission, but I'm struggling to find the time with the newborn

where I can like, all right, I'm really blocking out this three hours. Bring him, you know? I guess I'll bring him to the theater. Just come over and I'll teach him. A baby friendly showing of The Brutalist. Everybody loves babies in movies. Yeah, dude. And on planes, I can't wait for that.

No, I really wanna see The Brutalist. I suspect I'm going to love it. Yeah, it's weird, it's weird cause it's like a very, it is a flawed movie. Like I can look back on it and be like, yeah, like I don't think this works. And like this decision I'm not on board with, but then like as a whole,

I'm like, I cannot stop thinking about this movie. It's like, so yeah. The only thing I'm upset about Kieran Culkin, like almost definitely winning an Oscar is that Guy Pearce probably won't. And that performance is like astonishing. It's so good. I just went back and watched The Count of Monte Cristo from 2002 with Guy Pearce in it.

Fucking Guy Pearce rules. Really? I never saw that movie. He's so good. That movie's great. I just saw the new one, the like French one. I hear that. That's supposed to be amazing. It's really fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, shout shout to Guy. Guy Pearce in a complete unknown this year too.

I haven't, dude, I feel so old. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm thinking of somebody. I'm thinking of Scoot McNary. Yeah. Double duty this year. That's my man right there. Scoot, dude, Scoot is a double duty. What was, what's Guy Pearce in this year?

He's in the, he's in the brutalist. Oh he's in the brutalist, okay, okay. Yeah, I didn't just bring him up randomly in our conversation, but he's- You've been trying for two hours to get Guy Pearce into this conversation. You're Guy Pearce agenda. Every, every one of these drafts,

I've been trying to wedge him in and I finally found my excuse. But yeah, he's, so like Adrian Brody plays this architect who's a Jewish Holocaust survivor, and then Guy Pearce plays the like patron who kind of like takes him under his wing and says he'll finance this project. And obviously things complicate from there,

but it's just like the two of them together are just incredible performances. I can't wait to see it. The brutal, yeah, I don't know anything about these Oscar movies coming out. I gotta, I maybe haven't seen any. Well, they're Golden Globes movies. Oh, you know what you should watch?

Sorry. Because, well, the other half of Popular, you gotta watch Conclave, it's on Peacock. I almost took it. It's on Peacock now? Same, yes, I watched it on Peacock. It was like a coin flip between Conclave and Real Pain for me. I fucking loved Conclave.

Can we talk about Conclave now? Yeah, I was in a coin flip for that in Challengers, and now I feel like I should have picked it because, you know, I'm getting a more enthusiastic response here. All right. No, don't let that sway you. Stay true. Was it the boat movie? Yeah, I might have actually enjoyed that more than Real Pain.

I just saw Real Pain more recently. I mean have actually enjoyed that more than a real pain. I just saw a real pain more recently. I mean, a real pain is not like a barrel of laughs. No, not at all. It's a barrel of anxiety. And Conclave has a Cardinal sucking on a vape. Like, come on. It rules. What?

Oh yeah, dude. David, John Lithgow operates an espresso in full Cardinal gear. It's so good. What's the vaping pope's name again? Tedesco. Tedesco, yeah dude. He's this Italian, like this Italian far right pope

ripping vapes. He's awesome. Or not Pope Cardinal. Does the pope have an iPhone or a smartphone? In this movie they sure as shit do. The Cardinals got him, right? Yeah. I actually don't know how that works

in sequestration though. Do they have to like put them in the yonder bags like they're at a standup show? In my house. In sequestration, is that what they do? That's what they do to a bull? All right. Come on.

All right. Come on, high brow, high brow. No brow, dude. That's some fucking meagol shit. I'm sorry for being dumb. You're just like dumb, bro. You're all dumb, dude. That's some fucking Mia Golf shit. I'm sorry for being dumb. You're all dumb, bro. You're all dumb, bro. It's in there. It's like in the challenger's lane of like,

if we lived in a just and moral society, we would have like one of these every week of just like middle brow novel adaptation with like four different Oscar winners, all just like. Ray Fiennes and Tucci just being, you know, novel adaptation with like four different Oscar winners, all just like. Ray Fiennes and Tucci just being, you know, men of a certain age together. It's so good, it's so good.

Is Bella Rossellini's in there throwing heaters? Also like weirdly, this was the year that I saw like the Sistine Chapel in real life, where they're having their little meetings. And in real life, the Sistine Chapel is a fucking cattle call, where the entire time you are in one of the holiest, most beautiful sites of religion and Western art, there's a swervy Italian security guard

who's like, move along. Get out of here. Yep, no phones, move along, no phones, move along. And so I was like, it's actually kind of a better experience to be watching Conclave and to be like, oh, it's so quiet. That was me with the Eris tour. 16 chapels.

Yeah, that was 16 candles and 16 chapel. Isaac, do you have a pick? Yeah, I can't believe none of you took Sabrina Carpenter. She was on my list. I was close. She was on the pop star. I mean, I thought that record, I don't know, maybe I'm a normie. I thought that record had more penetration than Chapelrone's record.

But I also don't really like Chapelrone and that's a very controversial thing to say. Not really drafting off penetration here, bro. Yeah. You don't like me? The fact you worked that into your two minutes on mine. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Man, that red leather talks. I can't believe you don't like Chappellrone. Yeah, I just don't like her music. You don't like Pink Pony Club? No, that's all right. They're equal but different to me. Like, Sabrina Carpenter, every song is fantastic. I feel the same about Chaperone.

To me, they're on the same level as far as like how pop, like good pop music. They're very different genres. I think Espresso was definitely like probably the most ubiquitous like individual song. I just think the insane thing about Chaperone is that there's like seven songs on that album that had some moment. My wife was telling me that there was an interview with Sabrina Carpenter

where she was saying about how like she wrote that song with a bunch of people, like a bunch of friends or whatever. And the interviewer asked who came up with the actual line, Miaspresso. And she's like, I don't know. You're like, you know damn well who came up with that last.

Don't you don't you lie about that? She knows she knows. I don't know. You're like, you know damn well who came up with that last. Yeah. Don't you lie about that. She knows, she knows. I couldn't tell you, someone in the room. Somebody, some Swedish guy. Although I will say having been in studios where songs get written, it's often not the most sober environment, I would say. So it is possible to forget about.

Oh, you mean a not sober person came up with that's that Honestly, I feel like if you gave me enough time and booze I could have come up with that yeah Yeah, I could see you saying that to me wake up you need some of that me espresso, let's go Let's hit the slots. She did a tiny desk and for her she called her her regular desk regular desk hit the slots. She did a tiny desk and for her she called it her regular desk. Regular desk, that was.

Well she's funny, like that's what I like about her and also the fact that she is that blonde girl from Driver's License and now she has her revenge. They're both doing all right. Oh yeah. They're both doing great. She's not still with that dude, right? The guy that was Driver's License was about? No, she was with Barry Kuhn.

Kuhn, who did embarrass her, motherfucker. He embarrassed, embarrassed him. He embarrassed, we gotta wrap this up. You got it? Isaac, great pick. To recap, Alison, you went first. We drafted Pop Culture 2024, you took Bratz Summer, John Mulaney's Everybody's in LA,

Challenger's Conan on Hot Ones, and season three of Industry. Sean, you went second. You took Hawk Tuah, the English teacher, the Penguin, the ERAs tour on Disney, and Shaboosie. David, you went third. You took Cat Williams on Club Shashee, the 24 Paris games, Moudang, Wicked, and the Diddy fallout. I went last, I took Drake versus Kendrick,

Chapel Rhone, Chimp Crazy, Landman, and a real pain. Landman, I was shocked that Landman made it. That's so cool. We left some great stuff on the board. Rebel Ridge, I loved this year, the movie. So bad. Dune II, this year? Bad Monkey was really good. I think they drafted Dune in a previous draft,

so I decided to keep it on there, but so good. I loved it. I've had a few people hit me up and ask if I was gonna draft this year's Eclipse. It was not that big of a deal to me, so I did not. The previous one was a huge deal to me, so I did. But I'm aware that it was on there, and I'm not scared to pick it,

so just so we're clear on this. Sounds good. Would it have been allowed? Sounds good. I guess we'll never know. It ain't on my list. The new Vampire Weekend album was great. The new Waxahatchee album was great.

The new MJ Lenderman was great. Father John Misty. Sorry for being a white dude at the age of 40. The new Father John Misty is excellent. Yeah, absolutely. Excellent. New Bony Bear. Amazing. That new Snoop is pretty fun.

If anyone's looking around, that new Snoop, it feels a little more like Doggie style and less like the Dogfather. It's pretty interesting. Last season, a curb was this year. That was great. I have a Shogun written down. Shogun.

Yeah. I'm hearing good things about Shogun. Couldn't finish it either. I started it and then I just couldn't get into it. I was excited too. I hate to admit that I need to look at my phone more often than you're allowed to during Shogun. I'm sorry.

Subtitles are a deal breaker. Yeah, I just ended up watching the same scenes over and over and over again. Cause I'm also kind of dumb. I don't know, I'm not dumb, but I do have trouble following a show sometimes. Uh... Yeah, when they're doing the first four episodes, it's always tough for me. They wrote Landman.

Landman was right. Might as well have written that. I could have been performing open heart surgery on somebody and watched Landman and understood it. I think they wrote those scripts in crayon. I mean, I would not be surprised. Excellent picks all around. Hit us up with yours.

We want to hear all your picks. We want to hear all your picks. We want to hear all your picks. We want to hear all your picks. We want to hear all your picks. We want to hear all your picks. We want to hear all your picks. I think they wrote those scripts in crayon. I mean, I would not be surprised. Excellent picks all around. Hit us up with yours. We want to hear them. All fantasy pod on Twitter, all fantasy podcast at gmail.com. Oh, before we go, I wanted to send a special shout out to, it's not really a shout out.

This guy, Cam, at cam the person on Twitter hit me up to let me know that his friend, who was an all family member, Scott Rubens, This guy Cam, at Cam the person on Twitter hit me up to let me know that his friend, who was an all family member, Scott Rubens, passed away and sent me a really fun video, Scott at one of our live shows. And I just wanna send a shout out to Cam, let us let you know we're thinking of you, man,

and we're so sorry. And to Scott, wherever you are in all of this stuff, man, thank you for spending time that you had with us and we're sorry that your wonderful energy has gone from this universe, man. Hug your people. Just sorry to everyone who loved him and knew him. Really sorry to hear that.

Also, if you have any extra money, give it to me. I want it. No, there's so many good charities in LA right now, you know, like Isaac and I and Halison, you know, luckily we're safe, but I think all of us, one degree separated from people who lost absolutely everything. I mean, Sean and David too,

one degree from people who lost like everything. And if you can find some charities, if you have a little extra money lying around, you know, I know it'd be appreciated. There's Ippos to GoFundMes and charities. Not hard to find. A lot of people think the Palisades are, let me cut you off.

A lot of people think the Palisades were like just full of rich, well-to-do people. And like there were some, but a lot of the Palisades also, it's like people that have lived there since 1960 or whatever. And they're teachers and, you know, just people who- There's a trailer park there. Like a trailer park burned down. And also, even if your home wasn't in the Palisades,

there are lots of businesses that burn down. And if you're a working class person who was working there, your livelihood is gone. I've just, there's a lot of that, well, so-and-so is gonna be okay. And you're like, yes, maybe. It's a tragedy all around. It doesn't matter who you are.

It's still memories and it's still your house. Doesn't matter if you're a millionaire or a hundredaire, but you know, it's not, it's normal people. Right. That's the place where people like, I know like a person who was like a segment producer on the Late Late Show who lost her house. You know, it's like, that's where people,

working class people could buy houses in LA. You know, if you were a writer on like a couple seasons or something, that's like, and also like one of the, like a non-redlined area in Los Angeles where like black people could buy homes and was like generations of that in Los Angeles. So, you know, it's not just multi-multi-millionaires who can just now go to, you know, Jackson Hole

for a few months. It's everybody. So anyway, a somber. Jackson Hole, huh? Jackson Hole, bro. My uncle house sat the Mack truck owner's house one time. Jackson Hole? How do you make that connect?

He'd let you know about it. Well, too bad he's gone, because he'd have a beer and tell you. I bet there were some stuffed bear heads on the wall in that house. I went in there, and I was at this point in my life where everything was stupid except me trying to go skate. So I was in Jackson Hole and I didn't even care.

I was like, this is stupid. And then I went and skated in my uncle's garage instead of being like, this is the fucking owner of Mack Truck right here. Amazing. I would love to go in there now. Me too. My garage.

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