An Army of Normal Folks - Orrin “Checkmate” Hudson: Teaching 100,000 Kids Chess (Pt 2)

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

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Hey everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks and we continue now with part two of our conversation with Orrin Hudson right after these brief messages from our generous sponsors. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the all-new podcast, There and Gone. It's a real-life story of two people who left a crowded Philadelphia bar, walked to their truck and vanished. Nobody hears anything. Nobody sees anything.

Did they run away? Was it an accident or were they murdered? A truck and two people just don't disappear. The FBI called it murder for hire. It was definitely murder for hire for Danielle, not for Richard. He's your son, and in your eyes he's innocent. But in my eyes he's just some guy my sister was with. In this series, I dig into my own investigation

to find answers for the families and get justice for Richard and Danielle. Listen to There and Gone South Street on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Do do do do do do do do. We all know what that music means. Is somebody getting coronated? No, it's time for the Olympics in Paris. The opening ceremony for the 2024 Paris Games is coming on July 26th.

Who are these athletes? When are the games they're playing? We may be looking for the sports experts to answer those questions, but we're not that. Well what are we? We're two guys. I'm Matt Rogers. And I'm Bowen Yang. And we're doing an Olympics podcast?

Uh yeah. We're hosting the Two Guys Five Rings podcast. You get the two guys, us, to start every podcast, then the five rings come after. Watch every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympics beginning July 26th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time, you can stream the 2024 Paris games on the iHeartRadio app. And listen to two guys, five rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, from Wunder Media Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, host of Womanica, a daily podcast that introduces you to the fascinating lives of women history has forgotten.

This month, we're bringing you the stories of athletes. There's the Italian race car driver who courted danger and became the first woman to compete in Formula One. The sprinter who set a world record and protested racism and discrimination in the US and around the world in the 1960s. The diver who was barred from swimming clubs due to her race and went on to become the first Asian-American woman to win an Olympic medal. She won gold twice.

The mountaineer known in the Chinese press as the tallest woman in the world. And the ancient Greek charioteer who exploited a loophole to become the first ever woman to compete at the Olympic Games. Listen to Wamanica on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. So you started be someone was the first group you worked with. They've got to be special to you. My first group I worked with was in the library in Birmingham, Alabama. OK. And I was teaching them there and having fun. So that was probably in 99.

Tell me what's happened since then. I've trained over a hundred thousand kids. My goal is a million. So I'm a long ways away and I've been to Dubai teaching kids. I've been to India, Philippines, Canada. I've been to Astrodome. I've been to India, Philippines, Canada. I've been to Amsterdam, I've been all over the place. Paris, teaching children how to wake up winning and how to choose peace instead of violence.

How to make that- Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. Say that again. How to choose peace instead of violence. Understand, the peace that he used is not just P E A C E. It's P I E C E. When he says choose peace over violence, he's talking about a chess piece,

but obviously metaphorically meaning peace. Peace, yeah. Just, just- That's a great saying. Just peace over violence. Yeah, because intellect, you know, the only way to fight is to use your intellect, your mind, your brain, use your, you know, the only way to fight is to use your intellect, your mind, your brain, use your, you know, use your head, get your head in the game.

Think it through. Is this true? Is this honest? Is this the absolute best I can do? You know, because the moves you make determine the path you take, you know, and you can make some moves and never recover from. I was telling some kids, unless if you put a gun on a police officer, your life is over, your girlfriend is gone,

your lab, what, my girlfriend gone? Yeah, your laptop, your drive, yeah, oh really? Oh, coach, thank you for telling me that, I get it now. And then, so I play what if game. Hey man, this cop pull you over, you gonna pull your gun out? No, so you gotta play what if games and give people scenarios on how to handle stuff.

I was telling some students the other day what to do if you get stopped And uh one of my students comes to coach I'd use what you said and it worked He let he gave me a break. I'm so glad you said that let me The perspective of you having been a police officer a trooper a police officer law enforcement Is so interesting. This touches on so much stuff. When I raised my kids and they got driving age, we got them their permit and drove with them for a year to teach them, you know, use your blinker,

turn into the corresponding lane. Don't go slow in the left lane. The basics. How to drive safely, don't tailgate. And then they got their license. And also during that time is if you're speeding or you do something stupid, make sure you pull over to the right, not the left. Sit in the car or your window down.

Wait on the officer. Don't get out of the car and the officer will take at you and it will suck, but that'll be the end of it. That's what we taught our train home alive. Yeah, that's what we taught our children. And to be honest with you, pretty simple. And when I grew up in, in, in my world, I couldn't understand why anybody would do anything different. It's dumb not to. This is my perspective.

Now as a 55 year old man and having worked with all kinds of people all over the place, I'm telling you, I could not understand. And so I had a, I still have a very, very good friend. He played in NFL and he and I coached little league teams together while I was coaching high school ball, which is nuts. And he's a black guy. And our kids played sports together. And so while my sons were getting to be 16 and driving, so were his. And this guy is now a professional, he makes great money, kids go to great private schools.

And then we had a conversation one day about how we teach our kids to handle an approach from a police officer. And boy, his perspective was completely different. But this is a man who's, who's upper middle class lives in a 5000 square foot home, all of his children are educated in the best private schools, his kids have amazing grades. These are kids that are just great kids. And so in my mind, we're from the same worlds. Until I learned that we're not. Because of his skin color as it related to law enforcement. It is so simple.

If you get lit up by the blue lights, simply pull over, stay in your car, rear your window down, things are going to be okay. There's a large segment of our population that that is very foreign to and really don't believe that and truly do run because they are petrified, scared, having really not done much anything wrong. Speak to that for me. Well, there are a few bad apples out there, and it's not really that many, but they move

around a lot. And so what we have to remember is that we have to make sure we don't do anything to trigger anything to go bad because the goal is to come home alive. And so you want to be kind, you want to be nice and respectful, and you want to make sure your hands are where he can see them at all times And don't make any fast moves So just just do your part control what you can control you can control being nice You can control making sure he sees your hands you can control that you are courtesy and respectful and you

Do not want to? Take him off because he it could be a bad apple and he could go south. So- But Orrin, white kids don't think that way. Let's just be candid. Yeah. White kids don't have to think that way. And I get that, and I get that.

But speak to that. Well, you got a few bad apples, and you got some people that are bad, but I tell people you still have to control what you control. You still have to do your part. I tell my children that you got to be kind, you got to be courtesy, and you got to be nice for officer.

Please forgive me for anything I may have done. I apologize in advance. Thank you for your services. Thank you for being out here, but please forgive me for anything I may have done. I apologize in advance. Now, you just disarmed him because you said, I apologize in advance. I'm sorry.

Please, whatever I may have done. Now, you ain't attacking. You being humble. So always be humble and kind and control what you can control. But why do why do you think black kids have to even go through that lesson? You got those few people that don't, don't, they don't get it. They don't understand that we all are one. And some people that you get it,

because I've seen you go to the guy house and you went above and beyond. When you do things you don't have to do, you understand the concept that we're all connected and that whatever I do is a ripple effect, consequences for your moves you make. And some people don't understand that. Some people have been trained to mistreat black people, but they don't understand whatever you do to somebody else you're doing to

yourself. See what I've learned is, and I can't believe I'm saying this cause 15, 20 years ago, I would not have even remotely understood this is that I do believe that in some situations that fear is warranted. Yeah. Fear from the black head.

It's definitely warranted because you can see, uh, people make mistakes and, and there are some video footage or some officer saying some things that was not appropriate. You white, you ain't gonna know about that was on video. So it's some stuff, but people that is, I mean, but that's, but that's a thing, dude. I mean, it is a thing. It's uncomfortable, but it's an uncomfortable truth. It's real, it's alive and well, but at the same time, I've had some white officers

who, I remember when I was a trooper, I had three or four cell phones, I was a trooper. That can't come. And they saw me leave the store and pull me over, and they was roughing me up a little bit, but I told them- And you were a trooper, I can't come. And they saw me leave the store and pull me over. And they was roughing me up a little bit when I told them. And you were a trooper? Yeah, and when they backed out, they're, oh, shit. Because they thought I was, you know,

because I had two or three cell phones. They thought you were dealing. Yeah, or something. But anyway, when they found out I was a trooper, they backed out, but they were white cops. And they, oh, shit. Good, so it was a different story. But yeah, so it's a few people

and they really didn't have no reason to pull me over because they thought a cell phone, that is not nothing. Yeah, you ain't breaking no law. You can't pull a cell phone. Yeah, they just thought I was a dealer. So how did that affect you? Well, when they saw my badge and my ID,

they backed off. But yeah, if I would have been a regular person, it would have been a different story. So yeah, it's like that. I had this guy when I was a trooper told me, he said, Orrin, one of your colleagues was roughing me up the other day. I said, he's a good guy.

He said, to you, he's a good guy, because you is equal, but I'm a regular guy. And he roughed me up a little bit. And so he had a point. So yeah. So I think when that goes on for three or four generations, you talk about home training.

You don't want your kids to get locked up or get beat up or hurt by the law enforcement. So after a few generations of that, part of home training is, don't trust the police, fear them. Well, I don't wanna portray that. I tell them to trust the police, do control what you can control.

You control being nice, you control your part. Just do be kind, be nice, be respectful, because, and I tell people, like sometimes people came to me, hey, Orin, Frank, stop me, and I tell people, like sometimes people came to me, hey, Orin, Frank stopped me and I need some help on this. And I go, were you nice to Frank? And I said, were you nice to him? And they go, nah, I can't help you.

If you was nice to him, I could help you. I said, Frank, were they nice? I said, were you nice to Frank? And she said, no, I was mean to him. I can't help you. Because you violated if you, were you nice to Frank? And she said, no, I was mean to him. I can't help you. Cause see, you violated, you, man, if you nice to Frank, I can call him and go, hey Frank, you know, but if you were mean to him, mm-mm.

So, even in situations like this and police reform and getting pulled over, you're using chess to teach kids a different way to handle situations. A different way to think, a different way to solve problems, a different way to be kind and humble, and realize that what you sincerely desire for others will happen for you. Life is a paradox. It's the opposite of what you think. You think will happen for you.

Life is a paradox. It's the opposite of what you think. You think you give, you lose. No, you give, you win. Just serve people, be back, go. And likewise, if you treat people like crap, expect that to happen. It's gonna come, the karma, karma is real.

Karma is real. I've been stopped. I mean, since I've not been a trooper, I've been stopped and karma, they let me go cause karma, karma man. You let other folks. Yeah. Man, what you put, I remember one time this person stopped me and I went up to see the judge and the judge was singing my rap song. I was like, wow, today is the best day of my life. I go, he said, why?

I said, you know who I am. And he threw my case out, but the point is, the judge knew he was singing my rap song. I was like, and then one time they wrote me some tickets for, I was teaching kids at my training center and they was parking on the grass. Well, you're not allowed to park on the grass cause that's a code violation.

And the officer wrote me five tickets and I went to court, the judge threw them all out. The judge, the officer said, can he charge him with one dick note? Throwing them all out, just Orrin Henson. And then the guy who was in charge said, oh, we didn't know it was you, Orrin. We didn't know who it was.

But you're not allowed to park on the grass, even if you're teaching children for free. And so they parking on the grass, the parents parking on the, you can't do that. So they wrote me, but it just threw them all out We'll be right back I'm Andrea Gunning host of the all-new podcast there and gone It's a real-life story of two people who left a crowded Philadelphia bar, walked to their truck, and vanished.

Nobody hears anything. Nobody sees anything. Did they run away? Was it an accident, or were they murdered? A truck and two people just don't disappear. The FBI called it murder for hire. It was definitely murder for hire for Danielle, not for Richard. He's your son and in your eyes he's innocent but in my eyes he's just some guy my sister was with. In this series I dig into my own investigation to find answers for the families and get justice for Richard and Danielle.

Listen to There and Gone South Street on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We all know what that music means. Is somebody getting coronated? No, it's time for the Olympics in Paris. The opening ceremony for the 2024 Paris Games is coming on July 26th. Who are these athletes? When are the games they're playing? We may be looking for the sports experts to answer those questions, but we're not that. Well, what are we? We're two guys.

I'm Matt Rogers. And I'm Bowen Yang. And we're doing an Olympics podcast? Uh, yeah, we're hosting the Two Guys Five Rings podcast. You get the two guys, us, to start every podcast, then the five rings come after. Watch every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympics beginning July 26th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time, you can stream the 2024 Paris games on the iHeartRadio app and listen to two guys, five rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, from Wonder Media Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, host of Womanica, a daily podcast

that introduces you to the fascinating lives of women history has forgotten. This month, we're bringing you the stories of athletes. There's the Italian race car driver who courted danger and became the first woman to compete in Formula One. The sprinter who set a world record and protested racism and discrimination in the U.S. and around the world in the 1960s. The diver who was barred from swimming clubs due to her race and went on to become the first Asian-American woman to win an Olympic medal.

She won gold twice. The mountaineer known in the Chinese press as the tallest woman in the world. And the ancient Greek charioteer who exploited a loophole to become the first ever woman to compete at the Olympic Games. Listen to Wamanica on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Why'd you move from Birmingham to Atlanta? Because that's where you are now. This movie star called me and asked me would I be interested in moving to Atlanta teaching

children chess. What movie star? Her name was Jane Fonda. Her name was... Hold it, stop. You act like that ain't nothing. Yeah, she said, this is Jane Fonda. I said, if this Jane Fonda, I'm President Bush.

She said, hello, George Bush. I said, whoops, how'd you get my cell phone number? My cell phone number's private. She said, I got connections. So, someone gave her my cell phone number. You drop it like it ain't nobody. This movie star, Jane Fonda, who happens to be married to Ted Turner,

who happens to be worth a billion dollars, just called me up one day, but that's what happened. That's what happened. And she said, you want to move to Atlanta? Yeah. And I trained about 300 kids for her in a couple of schools. And when I first started, the kids were, it was like maybe I had about 10 kids. And then some of the other kids saw these other kids playing and go, wait a minute, you can play chess, wait a minute. I didn't start, it went from like- Was it in a school?

Yeah, it was in a school. Actually doing it in two schools, yeah. So yeah, we won a couple of championships and James- What kind of championships? Citywide championships, citywide. We had this Atlanta public school championship. So I remember Jane Funner told me that she sent a guy over there and he told her those kids can learn cause they Latino kids.

Most of them are Latinos. And I said, I believe, I believe I can, they can learn. So I went over there and we did learn and they did win and they were very good. So after that experience, you stayed in Atlanta and opened up what you call your training center. Right. Am I following this? Yeah, you're following, right? I Opened up the train and converted my personal home into a training center because I'm committed and I'm all in and so we got Parking for 12 cars cuz memory parking on the grass. So we got parking with

I'll be honest with you when I when the news did a story on it I'll be honest with you, when the news did a story on it, Tyler Perry saw the news and paid for the parking lot. Are you kidding? Yeah. So God is good. My step to order from God. God, they called, Tyler probably recalled a minute ago, I said, day is the best day of my life.

Would you like to know why? They said, no, we know why. We bought the FedEx, you a check to pay for your parking lot. Oops. I said, the day is the, I answered the phone. This is B1 is Oran. day is the best day of my life. I said, would you like to know why?

They said, no, we know why. Give me your address. How about the FedEx, your check for your parking lot? We know why. That was so funny. And I thought they was just gonna mail me a regular. They FedExed it. I got it the next day.

I was like, wow, I don't know if they pay for it, but they Fed for it, they fed accident. So you turned your home into a quote, chess training center. Yeah, and I've trained over 100,000 kids. Tell me, and you don't charge the kids? I don't charge the kids to a point, but sometimes I charge a little something.

But those who can't pay, I try to work with them. I've never turned down anyone that needed my help. And over what period of time have you trained 100,000 kids in chess? I started in 2000, so about 24 years. That's 10, that's 5,000, that's 4,000 kids a year. Yeah. That's 4,000 kids a year. Yeah, and sometimes- That's four, that's 4000 kids a year. Yeah. And sometimes that's

four, that's 350 kids a month. Yeah, I love what I do. And it's not work is I had a lady called me at 130 in the morning. Her name was Deborah Curry. Her son was Robert Curry. And she was in and out. And when coming home in and out of jail, well just not coming home at night. I see. So he was not coming home. He was following the wrong crowd. And she had called every agency in Atlanta looking for help to help her son.

And so she called me 1.30 in the morning. I took the call and she said, listen, I'm in desperation. I need some help. I'm ordered by the court to find someone that can sign a court affidavit to help me with my son for a year. Or would you do that? I said, yes, I have to sign.

He graduated and reporter asked me, why would I take a phone call from a complete stranger in the middle of the night? I said, a full-time soldier sleeps with his boots on. It's not about me. It's about we, and it takes teamwork to make the dream work. So that's what I'm about. I'm about committed to doing everything in my God, giving power to teach our young people that you're better than that and that you can be a champion if you

make the right moves. Why are you doing this? Well, you had a successful car business making money. And even if you weren't doing this, you were leading a good life. You were behind, you were helping people. You did well as a, as a trooper. And then to flip a switch and do what you say is a boss move and shut it down and do this.

I just, why I think back to James Edge, who I feel like saved my life because a lot of people that was with me didn't make it. And so I feel like I'm just paying it forward like he paid it forward with me. And I just feel compelled to do this. I love it. I remember paying to be at an event one time and a lady called me to volunteer to help at a school.

I left an event that I had paid lots of money to be at to go volunteer. So I'm committed. I love it. And I don't do it for income. I do it for impact. You've got to have some cool stories of kids that showed up to you that the game of chess and the lessons that you taught them about life using chess as a metaphor have Turned the life around and done some amazing things. Give me a couple. Oh, man I got one student who's a lawyer in New York who I Remember picking her up at 5 a.m. In the morning. We've done stuff at 5 a.m She will she's wrong in Birmingham. I mean Atlanta. She's in Atlanta now

She stayed in Atlanta and she's a lawyer now in New York and I got a kid who's making all a Valedictorian I got a lot of kids who are doing good. I had one kid that they never hired They never hire interns. They never pay interns, but they say they pay him because he went above and beyond and go the extra mile. So I'm teaching children how to just navigate through. One kid almost went to jail for attempted murder on his own father.

I trained him, he became a state champion. I got a lot of kids who are just rocking it. One of my, one parent came up to me, she said, Orin, she said, I noticed that the kids that you teach in chess to are making the best grades in the school. So I have a lot of success stories. I have kids that are winning and that are just being humble and will not harm you because we creating a force for good, just be a good human being.

creating a force for good, just be a good human being. Dale Flickinger and Paul Link-Sweller, who was our other coach, convinced me that chess, I was always like, why are all the smart people playing chess? And he's like, it's the other way around. Chess makes you smarter. Do you agree with that? Yeah, it makes you smarter

because you delaying gratification and you don't do the first thing that pops up. See, the computer would say, make this move. And then a few minutes later, the computer said, no, don't make that move. I make that move, I lose 30 moves down the road. So the longer you can pause and ponder and reflect, the smarter your move's gonna be.

Because if you do the first thing that pops in your head, you're gonna be in jail. You can go to the jail and interview people, hey, what happened? I did the first thing, what about you? I did the first thing, what about, yeah, don't do that. You gotta pause, you gotta sit back. You got to read the fine print.

And I learned this the hard way. A friend of mine, her name is Fabie King, she called me. She said, Orin, I need you to rent me this car. It's only $8 a day. I said, okay, I'm doing it. But by the time I got through, it was $8 for the car. It was $8 extra if it had a steering wheel, or $8 if it had a wheels, or the $8 if it had a,

I paid like $96, like what? The fine print, you gotta, don't do the first thing that pops up. You gotta go, you gotta get the fine print. Man, Fabie King, I'm gonna call her, I was mad at her. It was $96, because it was, if it had ties on it, you had at her. It was $96, because if it had tides on it, you had to pay, if it had a radio, if it had a door on it.

That's what we call around here peas and cornbread. Back in the day, back where I lived, the gas stations were the corner store and they always had hot plates and they'd advertise 99 cent peas and cornbread, which when you didn't have no money, 99 cent peas and cornbread is pretty good. But when you got in there, you want 99 cent peas and cornbread, but that ham hot looked good.

And then you wanted some butter or some molasses or some honey for your cornbread. Well, that was 25 cents. And what you're going to wash it down with, you got to get some sweet tea. Well, that was a dollar 15. And by the time you made it out of the store, that 99 cent piece of cornbread cost you $6. Same exact idea. How many, how many moves if you're looking at a board let's say each players made their first 15 16 moves and you've made it through a classical opening let's say let's say we're playing e4 e5 and I play Roy Lopez and we're 14 moves down the board so we're out of the opening and in the mid game, literally how many moves ahead can you see?

And are you really thinking? Well, only one, let me tell you why. Because I don't, yeah, only one. No, let me tell you. You have to do another euphemism. You ain't no way. You're gonna love this. Only one move.

Because I only can control what I can control and I have no idea what my opponent can do. Now I have some plans that's eight moves deep if he go down a certain trap that I'm looking that I've already been through pattern recognition. But if he don't go that way, I have no, see what I teach young people is you have no control over what your opponent is gonna do.

But you do have control over adjusting your sails so no matter what the wind does, it benefits you. In karate, they teach you, if your opponent come at you, you step to the side and you throw him in the wall. I'm gonna use your strength to hurt you. So that's in chess. What I do, I'm gonna use whatever you say to benefit me, whatever you do to benefit me.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you. Or so what I do is I let them make their move because I have no control over them, what they're gonna do. But if they make certain moves, I take advantage of it. But here's the teachable moment. This is worth a million dollars. This is gold, what I'm about to say.

Anytime your opponent make a move, he create a weakness. And so I have to wait till he make the move so I can determine how I'm gonna exploit that weakness. I'm gonna look left and I'm gonna throw right. I'm gonna manipulate the defense. And when chess, a lot of times I make a move to have what I call a hidden agenda or a trap. For an example, I was playing kids at PURE Academy

and I said, that bishop is poison. It's free, but it's poison. And they took it and I checkmated them on the next move. They go, I told you it was poison. I did that twice, two or three times. And I said, I gave him, and what does poison mean? I said, if you take it, you're gonna die. And I-

That's interesting. Yeah, I had some poison, some traps and stuff like that. Bishop was correct. Yeah, Bishop was gangs. That Bishop was shooting, shooting at the police official was stealing ambition was taken. Always give people more than they give you in this then there's no, no robbery. What I'm saying, though, God, that's, that is so cool how you're relating it. But what I am saying is this,

you are looking at a board and saying, okay, if I move this piece, their best answer for that move is this. Right. And then you, you, you think down the road about it. Yeah. And then you got another piece in, like, if I move this piece, they're next. And so are you not looking at the catalog of options of moves that you have to make? And then reversing yourself and thinking, what would I do if that was moved was made to me? And then trying to come up with a catalog of options for the best move for them, and thinking what would I do if that was moved was made to me. And then trying to come up with the catalog of options for the best move for them based on your move.

And then doing the same thing and trying to count that down for five, six, seven, eight moves ahead. Yeah. But I, you can't get too caught up in that cause I don't know what he's going to do exactly, but I do have certain scenarios where he has to make these moves or it's over. And so in that case, you're right. I may have eight moves deep on a certain trap. Like I played a guy the other day and I gave away my Bishop and the game was

over. It was eight moves trap and it was boom, boom. And I already knew that it was in my homework. And I remember being playing in the world open. I'll never forget this. You played in the world open. And you tell me you ain't no good. You played in the world. Oh yeah. What is your USCF rating? I'm rated probably in speed. I'm probably about 1900 and in slow chess, I'm probably about 16, 1700, 1800, but been to speed. I'm pretty good. Those of you listening, United States Chess Federation, that's USCF Chess, that is the governing body over chess.

And it is a worldwide governing body, USCF is United States, but there's a chess federation over the world. VA. And they rate you. Right. And so the strongest chess player in the world is Magnus Carlsen. He's rated about 2860.

So that's the strongest in the world. He is not the world champion because he don't want to play in it anymore, but he's like the best, the best. He's really good. I met him a couple of times, met his daddy, and he and I are good friends and always associate with people who are better than you

so you can learn from them. So you were in the world open. Yeah, I was in the world open. And I've won, in the speed competition, I won like 80% of my game, and I won money in the world open. But what I do is really less about me, it's more about what can I do to save the least,

the last, and the loss, and teach young children that you win by adding value, you win by choosing peace instead of violence, you win by adding value, you win by choosing peace instead of violence, you win by doing no harm, you win by adding extraordinary value. And sometimes you got the gear of the get, and oftentimes you have to give to get. And they call me the 4X guy,

because I believe in the 80-20 rule, which is 20, you give me 20, I'm gonna give you 80, I'm gonna give you four times more, because the 80-20 rule means that is 20, you give me 20, I'm gonna give you 80, I'm gonna give you four times more because the 80-20 rule means that 80% of the things you do produce 20% of, 20% of the things you do produce 80% of results. So you gotta focus on what brings the most value to people and you do that by adding value, serving people,

and never be a taker. Takers are for losers and if you take, you go to jail. If you give you successful, we'll be right back. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the all new podcast, there and gone. It's a real life story of two people who left a crowded Philadelphia bar, walked to their truck and vanished. Nobody hears anything. Nobody sees anything. Did they run away? Was it an accident

or were they murdered? A truck and two people just don't disappear. The FBI called it murder for hire. It was definitely murder for hire for Danielle, not for Richard. He's your son, and in your eyes he's innocent, but in my eyes he's just some guy my sister was with. In this series, I dig into my own investigation to find answers for the families and get justice for Richard and Danielle. All that they know Richard and Danielle. Listen to There and Gone South Street on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We all know what that music means. Is somebody getting coronated? No! it's time for the Olympics in Paris. The opening ceremony for the 2024 Paris Games is coming on July 26th. Who are these athletes? When are the games they're playing? We may be looking for the

sports experts to answer those questions, but we're not that. Well what are we? We're two guys. I'm Matt Rogers. And I'm Bowen Yang. And we're doing an Olympics podcast? Uh, yeah. We're hosting the Two Guys Five Rings podcast. You get the two guys, us, to start every podcast,

then the five rings come after. Watch every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympics beginning July 26th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time, you can stream the 2024 Paris Olympics beginning July 26th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time, you can stream the 2024 Paris Games on the iHeartRadio app. And listen to Two Guys, Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello. From Wondermedia Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, host of Womanica, a daily podcast that introduces you to the fascinating lives of women history has forgotten. This month, we're bringing you the stories of athletes.

There's the Italian race car driver who courted danger and became the first woman to compete in Formula One. The sprinter who set a world record and protested racism and discrimination in the U.S. and around the world in the 1960s. The diver who was barred from swimming clubs due to her race and went on to become the first Asian-American woman to win an Olympic medal. She won gold twice. The mountaineer known in the Chinese press as the tallest woman in the world. And the ancient Greek charioteer who exploited a loophole to become the first ever woman to compete

at the Olympic Games. Listen to Wamanica on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. ["The Big Game"] You remember the movie Terminator? Mm-hmm. You remember when the perspective from the camera was his eyes and somebody would say something to him and on the left it would give them a catalog of responses and some like if the guy said stop yes

sir was one no sir was two and then all the way down to kiss my butt right do you remember that scene? Do you remember that catch? All right. To me, that's chess because you have this catalog of options based on moves, but that's life. Right. And if you learn to catalog your options and think deeply enough before you make your next move anticipating what's gonna happen when you make that move. I think that's how the best leaders lead. I think that's how the best managers manage. I think that's how the best parents parent. I think that's how I think people who learn that discipline and that

skill set and approach life that way are the most successful and the most happy. Right. And I think you've learned that from a thing like chess. Right. And it's I tell students to don't play, don't joke, cause whatever you state, you create. And so always put out positivity, always put out what you, always state what you want, never say nothing negative, not even jokingly, just the good you do comes back, multiply to you. Whatever you state, you create.

And so if I state something, it's gonna be uplifting, it's gonna be uplifting, inspiring, speak love, speak hope, speak life, always. No joking around with nothing, oh, I'm just joking, none of that. We gonna always speak love, we gonna speak hope, we gonna speak light, because whatever you say, let me give you an example.

God said, let there be light, and God had said it, and it was too late. So he said, God looked and saw what he created. He go, oh, I'm okay. He said, he saw that light was good. Cause he said it was too late. Cause once you stated, you created. God said, let there be light.

And God paused and wait a minute. He looked and okay, I'm good. He said, light, you know, he saw that light was good. And he said, oh, I'm okay. Cause he said it. So what I tell people, when you stated, you know, he, he, he started light was good. And he thought, well, I'm okay. Cause he said it. So what I tell people, when you stated you created, we all are a masterpiece because we are a piece of the master. Dude, Orin, I, I could literally talk to you for five hours.

I, I am so inspired by you and the work you've done. And we are kindred spirits in a lot of ways, but we're connected by, you know, a black and white sixty four square piece of of wood, which, you know, we can get into more metaphors if anybody wants to. But I think it's so ironic that, you know, we can get into more metaphors if anybody wants to. But I think it's so ironic that, you know, the most beautiful game in the world is a collection of black and white pieces on a black and white board. Let me give you six more magic words.

James Edge taught me this. Take time to think things through sixties 66 magic words take time to think things through that is this life that's everything the computer does it everybody does it and That's what that that way you win that way you get the most for your you get the biggest bang for your buck Because when you building a house you have to take the biggest bang for your buck. Because when you're building a house, you have to take the thoughts out of your head,

you have to put them on paper, and then work from the paper. If you don't, you won't have no restroom, because you're gonna have only a game room and all the fun stuff, and you won't think about the grant work and the foundation that's critical. How does be someone,

I mean, do you have donors, your 501c3? I have donors, I have donors, but I'm always looking for more donors. We always can do more. But we playin' the game with not enough pieces. We need more pieces. We lookin' for more people to support our work. But I promise you, whatever you do to us I received everything I get I put it back

in the program I take no money out of it I just pay my bills and I put everything back I don't do it for income and do it for impact and I've trained more kids and people to get millions of dollars I do more work than everybody else cause I'm gonna always outwork you I'm always beat the competition because the person who outworks the competition beats the competition. The person who outgives the competition beats the competition. I just teach people there are four types of people. There are people that subtract, there are people that divide. By the way, when you subtract the value, you go to jail.

When you add, you're successful. And when you're super successful, when you multiply, you're super successful. That's why God first instructions to the first couple on earth was be fruitful and multiply. And if you multiply value to people, you win every time. And that's what I'm all about. Be someone is about teaching people how to do more with less, how to be a giver, not a taker, how to be a force for guilt because the moves you make determine the path you take.

force for good because the moves you make determine the path you take. I love it on Orrin Hudson, everybody on if somebody wants to get in touch with you because they want to talk about how you do what you do in chess and they want to do the same thing in Topeka or Albuquerque or pick a city. Um, someone in the Georgia area that desperately needs their children to learn some chess and get some of those oran lessons which reach far more chess or hopefully somebody listens and also says, my gosh, he's changing kids' lives through chess and I just want to support be someone. How do people find you?

How do they get in touch with you? Be someone.org. I'm on a lot of social media. I'm Orrin Checkmate Hudson on Facebook. Be someone online on Instagram. And my email is orrin at be someone.org. O-r-r-i-n at be someone.org. You can be someone, be someone.

Let me hear you say yeah. Yeah. And I'm the only chess player in the world that checkmated someone on national TV in two moves. Magnus Carlsen never done that. No one has never done that. In two moves. In two moves.

How do you do it in two moves? And some people don't know that. People been playing 50 years. ID 45. No, no, no, no, no. and two moves. And two moves. How do you do it? Two moves. And some people don't know that. People been playing 50 years. D4, E5. No, no, no, no, no. It's F4. I play E6.

And if he played G4, I play my queen to Henry five, Henry four, that's checkmate. I guess it is. Yeah, I know it is. I'm like a billion percent sure. Not a hundred. No, no, I'm hundred is garbage. I'm a billion position.

But two moves. Because there's no, you can't block and there's nothing to get away. Yeah, it's game over. That diagonal. Right, it's game over. And yeah, it's called Fools' Mate. And why is it Fools' Mate?

Because you gotta be a fool to lose a game with two moves. Ha ha ha. That's crazy. So be someone.org. Be someone.org. I came up with the name Be Someone because Abraham Lincoln, his mother, her last words on the planet, Abraham Lincoln was be someone.org. Be someone.org. I came up with the name Be Someone because Abraham Lincoln, his mother, her last words on the planet, Abraham Lincoln,

was be someone. And even though Abraham Lincoln had failed many, many times running for public office, he took those two words, be someone, all the way to the White House. My sign. And changed our country. And changed our country. My sign in life is empower young people to be someone.

Get your head up. Get your pants up. Get your grades up. And the big one, never give up. Why? Your mind is a pearl. You can change the world. You have everything you need to be someone.

There's another thing with the be someone thing that I think our listeners need to know. Schools across the country can invite you in and you will come to them Speak to their kids talk to them. Let their kids get all this this this on wisdom and teach them a little chess So how does that work? I have a book coming out called 60 65 moves to inspire Hold on it 65 moves to inspire 365

See I missed it. Now I got a book coming out called 365 moves to inspire and they can, they can bring me in to speak. I work with administrators. I work with teachers. I work with parents. I work with students. I come in and I teach them how to wake up winning.

I teach them how to make the next move. That best move. I teach them how to manage resources because the opposite of wealth is not poor and the opposite of wealth is mismanagement of resources. Poor is just a reflection of how you manage the resources. I'm telling you. So I'm showing these children how to do more with less. So everybody you got his email address. You got his website. If you want a little Orrin Hudson wisdom imparted on your administration, your kids, reach out. Orrin Hudson wisdom imparted on your administration, your kids, reach out.

Orrin, O-R-R-I-N at BeSomeone.org. Orrin C. Hudson, the seats for Checkmate. Checkmate means you win, it's not over until you win. And, and don't celebrate until the referee's driving off in his car. Don't celebrate until the referee's driving off in his car and if the referee car doesn't start, keep your helmet on until the wrecker get there.

Because the referee has power to put more time back on the clock. Let me tell you, Detroit, Detroit lines celebrated cause the clock went zero zero. Well the guy took his helmet off, the referee threw a flag, the referee threw a flag, we're gonna play one more down,

Aaron Rodgers threw the ball 74 yards, they lost the game with no time on the clock. So it can happen. So wait till the referee's in the car, you follow him to his car. You fight, and if the car doesn't start, keep your helmet on till the record get there. Follow the referee to his car.

Go through the tunnel, go through everything. I love it. Everybody, a rapping, Kahliliqui driven, amazing guy named Orrin Hudson who is taking the gifts offered to him in high school one day to get him on track through the game of chess and spreading it to literally tens of thousands, a hundred thousand kids so far and counting. Be someone.org. Y'all check it out. Warren,

thanks for coming to Memphis and spending a morning with me. Oh, Bill, you're awesome. I just love your spirit. And anytime you can go to a kid house who storms out of your classroom, they just never give up on a kid. You are, you are the real deal. Holy field. I like me when I'm listening to Bill. Orin, that is awesome. Thank you.

And my youngest son lives in Atlanta. And so the next time I go over to visit him, I would like to get in touch with you. And I want to come over and watch you teach some kids chess. Can we do that? Yeah, be happy to. And then you can stomp my brains in. We'll play one. Yeah, we'll play a game.

That's awesome. Thanks, buddy. Thank you. And thank you for joining us this week. If Orin Checkmate Hudson or other guests have inspired you in general, or better yet, inspired you to take action by bringing Orin to your school or community, donating to be someone or something else entirely, please let me know. I really do want to hear about it.

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We all know what that music means. It's time for the Olympics in Paris. I'm Matt Rogers. And I'm Bo and Yang. And we're doing an Olympics podcast? Uh, yeah. We're hosting the Two Guys Five Rings podcast. Watch every moment of the 2024 Paris Olympics beginning July 26th on NBC and Peacock. And for the first time, you can stream the 2024 Paris Games on the iHeartRadio app. And listen to Two Guys, Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last season, millions tuned into the Betrayal podcast to hear a shocking story of deception. I'm Andrea Gunning, and now we're sharing an all new story of betrayal.

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