And That's Why We Drink - E392 Rat Girl Summer and Weepy Hollow

Episode Date: August 11, 2024

It's episode 392 and we're distracted by the stars in your eyes! First Em takes us to the Irma Hotel in Cody, Wyoming, but don't think they didn't do some deep dives on wild west ghosts in general and even potentially found their long-dead soul mate. Then Christine covers the frightening and infuriating case of the disappearance of Heather Teague. And do you know a dog named Noodle who went to Emerson College? ...and that's why we drink! Check out Christine's Etsy shop here!https://www.etsy.com/shop/TheXtineFilesWe're all so, so grateful to everyone who bought a bumper sticker (and so sorry for the folks who only got thank you notes - they should have all been fixed by now). Your purchases made a donation of $3500 to the Palestine Children's Relief Fund possible! https://www.pcrf.net

I just hear my nasally drone. I can't stand it. Welcome to 400 episodes. Well, I don't think I'm supposed to say that word in the first 10 seconds of the show, but too late. Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll talk to the higher-ups and see what they say. I spoke with them Is that's not the right company. What's the one is that do? Fcc Fcc is gonna pull our huge pull us from the huge game Big game it feels like the beginning of like a Disney movie in some way. That's the goal, yeah. Yeah.

That's what, we were so close to making it big. Yeah, that's okay. We'll do it again in the sequel, you'll see. They'll all see. They'll all see. Christine, your room looks a little more decorated. I don't know, for all I know, it could be like, like clutter is actually working for you, but it looks like you filled it out a little bit or you did

something different. I haven't touched it in like two months. Really? Yeah. I've just been just distracted by the stars in your eyes. Is it the box of cables? No I see the there's I think I just haven't noticed the plants up until now. Yeah those have been there before I even put wallpaper up. So those have been there a long time. Probably a year, actually. Are you sitting somewhere different? No.

Didn't you used to sit in the corner? I used to, I sometimes do like half half, but for the last like several up in here, I think, unless I'm wrong. I've just never paid attention. Thanks. It's new to me. I'm having a good time over here. Cool.

Well, I guess that's an ad for our YouTube channel. If you want to see how one box of cables has apparently changed the game. If you don't notice a change in my background in the next couple weeks, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, well, yours is just dark. Mine is clutter, as you said. So mine's a little easier to play I Spy with. That would be a fun little game, like hide little Easter eggs. Actually, don't look too closely, everybody. There's probably some,

if you zoom in, I feel like there's so much just crap back there that like, you don't know what you'll find. It really is like a mysterious I Spy game. As I started talking about the aesthetics of your room, you've put on your Marishka Hargitay investigation lamp. I have, because I don't know. Look, it literally looks like one, too. It's like, where were you the night of the big game? Why didn't we make it?

I was on the sidelines. Actually, I got lost. I couldn't find the field. That seems more likely. Why do you drink right now, Christine? I've done it again. I'm back on my bullshit. Wait, hang on. Let me guess.

What did you do? What did you do? Okay. So either you've drank recently, you did something with your little edible gummies, you shopped a little too close to the sun, you didn't sleep when you said you would and now you're sleeping when you shouldn't. You're four for four right now. You got lost for sure recently. Oh, now you're sleeping when you shouldn't. You're four for four right now. You got lost for sure recently. You dropped your social security card at like an airport.

And and then it was a credit card, but close. OK. And also you. Oh, I know. I don't know. But this is the most likely that you got a little too curious about like one little piece of wallpaper that was loose and then you tore apart your entire wall and now you're going digging through it and then you found treasure and now you're on a quest to find the original owners of the house. That's been since day one. That's like my never-ending quest. That's like the the quest that kind of supersedes all other quests. So you're not wrong. Like I am always

trying to find all the secrets of this home. What did this home. So I finally was able to put my Etsy shop on vacation. Everything's sent out. I do wanna apologize to the people who have received blank envelopes with nothing in it but a note from me. There were a couple of people who were like, and of course everyone's so kind about it, but they're like, hey, so I just got my envelope and I'm like, I already know where this is going. Apparently I did a couple of people who were like, hey, and of course, everyone's so kind about it, but they're like, hey, so I just got my envelope.

And I'm like, I already know where this is going. Apparently I did a batch of them and forgot to actually put the stickers into the envelopes and then I put like thank you notes in. So they were shipped like a $2 envelope with just like a thank you note. So I've. It's so almost condescending of like, thanks for your purchase. I actually couldn't get to it. Um, but thanks for the effort stamp I actually couldn't get to it,

but thanks for the effort. But here's a stamp on my signature. You can have it for free. And how lucky are you? A handwritten message from me. It's so embarrassing. And so I like went back and everybody who messaged me, I believe I have fixed their issues.

There were a couple hiccups because I had put like pre-order and I tried to make it very clear, but what I didn't know is that Etsy only lets you select like a couple of weeks as like your processing time. And so then at the end of those weeks, all of a sudden everyone started getting emails saying, your order should be there. And it was from Etsy.

And I was like, everyone's like, oh my God, Etsy says it should be here. And I'm like, no, I haven't even like started shipping stuff out. This is a while ago. So anyway, there was a lot of kerfuffle about that. I apologize. But what I will say is that yesterday,

I was able to donate $3,500 to the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund. I'm so proud of everybody. I'm just like, so it was, I started to cry. It was, I just felt so thankful. So thank you. 3,500, that's huge. That's huge.

I felt so delighted. It was like Rocket Money sent me a thing being like, have you been hacked? And I was like, no, I haven't. Thanks a lot, Rocket Money. Every time you get an alert like that, it's like, cause either something really cool just happened or something really bad is about to happen to you.

I'm so scared to open those emails cause usually it's something I'm like, I haven't spent anything and then I'll open it It'll be like eight hundred dollars on like some Airbnb thing and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess I did I guess I totally did and I forgot But anyway, I thank you to everybody who ordered stickers I'm like so pleased and honored that people were into it and I'm going to keep up the shop I actually am I made some new stickers while I was on vacation at Sesame Place.

Do you wanna see my newest one? Baby on board, that's amazing. Baby on board. It's a Moira Rose and I learned to draw. Well, I tried to anyway. I don't know if it looks like her. You drew her? Yeah.

Holy shit, where'd she learn to do that? It took me months. I took like classes online. That's amazing. I mean, the power of neurodivergence is incredible. Really, I fixated so hardcore that it took, I started in February, and what is it? That's amazing.

Fucking August. You should be really proud of yourself. Thank you, I actually put one on my car, which I've never, I haven't put any of them on my car yet, so this is the first one, but it says, bebe on board. Oh, can you send one to me? I'll send one to, well, I'll buy it

from your Etsy shop, I guess. I can just, I'll just send you a- I'm like, I've got an N, because I'm a knuckle baby or something. I'll send one to all buy it from your Etsy shop, I guess I've got an end because I'm a neck. Oh baby or something blank envelope with my Baby, you're a nepo baby. Oh, that's a good sticker idea. So I made these baby on board stickers of Moira Rose so if anyone wants to go buy those I'm gonna open the shop back up because Now I have smaller ones. They're easier to ship And I also made a bunch, you know, like, I've been really, this is what happens as you know, when I'm supposed to be working on other shit, and my brain is like, how about we do this instead?

That's the thing with ADHD is you're always, even if you're being productive, it's being productive by procrastinating from the thing you need to do. In the wrong direction, yeah, it's like, you're always, I've taken a wrong turn. Even when you look productive, you're always procrastinating on something.

For sure, like sometimes I'll be shopping online for something and it'll take me six hours. I'm like, well, I had to research the best bath mat. And Blaise is like, you literally didn't, but okay. Blaise is like, pay the bills. Blaise is like, I've been calling you for three hours. No, so I made those. And then you know that stickers that everyone has to say,

like OBX, like Outer Banks. So I made some of those that say OCD and ADHD instead. So they look like little travel stickers. And then I also made, oh, I made a party foul. It's a little chicken with a birthday hat. Nice. Anyway, if anyone's interested, I think I'm going to do,

the next month will be Proceeds to Rain, I think is what I've decided. The Rape and Incest Network. So if anybody is interested, go check it out. It's the X-Teen files, I think, on Etsy. I don't know, it'll be in the show notes. But I just wanna say thank you to everybody who ordered stickers.

It was like, it's so much fun. It's just like a nice little side hobby and I can learn to draw and color and anyway. Nice. I thought when you said, I've done it again, I thought what you were gonna say is, I realized that this is too overwhelming and I had to shut it down.

Not, oh, I'm doing it all over again. I'm doing it more. Yeah, okay. Well, great. That would have been the reasonable thing to say, but here I am not saying it. Well, I'm very proud of you. Thank you.

I'm just really thankful for everybody who played along and was patient as I mailed them empty envelopes with my signature. I'm never going to get over that. What a seriously unhinged thing to do. If I were Tana Mongeau, one of those creators, I feel like I could be like, what? That's not like, you don't want my signature?

Too bad. You don't get a refund. Yeah, I totally get it. I was just, I didn't do it on purpose. It was just, it was just wrong, very wrong. Uh-huh, well, I'm proud of you. I'm sure it's going great. Thank you. I'm gonna draw you next.

I can't decide what to put on it though. Oh God, well good luck. Thanks. Oh, I made also a They Be On Board. Oh shit, I was supposed to surprise you with that. Nevermind. They Bay On Board? I made a a they be on board. Oh shit. I was supposed to surprise you with that. Nevermind. They bae on board. I made a they be on board sticker too, but I'll show you that later because I haven't already. Precious. Precious.

That's for you and your car. Thank you. I still have, you know, I don't put many things on my car, but the one thing that I have on there is your follow me to Waffle House. Waffle House. I know. I love that you did that. That makes me so happy. I have quite a bit of, I get quite a bit of comments on that one. I mean do people really follow you? The police sometimes probably. Yeah this one's trouble they say.

So I don't like this southerner or whatever, what's going on in that car. And what do you drink? I got my THC seltzer, I haven't opened it yet, but I'm thinking I'm gonna drink one since we're recording a little. What flavor is she? Blackcurrant.

Ooh la la. I don't know how I feel about that. What are you up to, Em? How are you feeling? You know, I like to think I'm calm. I like to pretend that I'm calm, but really I'm, like, eating the walls, you know? What? Is that a thing? Just very, uh...

Is that a saying? I don't know. I just said it. Oh. I don't know. I'm not good at English, so I don't know. Um, I... Yeah. Just, I don't know. I'm not good at English, so I don't know. Yeah, just, I don't know. And I feel like I'm in chaos and also stuck all at the same time.

Same, oh same! It'll pass, it'll pass. Will it? I hope so. Okay. I don't have any update except that I just feel like I'm in a vortex or something. I am just drinking water, except that I just feel like I'm in a vortex or something.

I am just drinking water, but it does have the squeezy top. So that makes things better. Those are good. And I brought a second one because I feel like I'm in a chugging kind of mood. Speaking of which, tell my thirsty little rats, I haven't told you recently, but in case you forgot, you need to be drinking your water. It is hot, it is summer, it is, I don't know, rat girl summer, rat summer, whatever they're

saying. And you need to be drinking your water because I don't want to see it. I don't see any of my little dehydrated rats on the side of the road. You know what I'm saying? So gulp gulp. On the side of the road. Did I tell you I found a dead rat recently? It was horrible.

See, that was one of our followers who didn't drink enough water. It wasn't it was a dead rat. It was horrible It was like I almost stepped on it and it was like freshly dead Well, it was in a stairwell too. So it wasn't even like outside outside Yeah, it's always worse when it's always the worst when you see them like already kind of half deteriorated and you're like Oh, like now I have to this one looked like a live mouse and then we got closer and we were like, oh no He's dead which was like, I don't know. It was like alarming so like a rat and then we were like, oh, it's not moving But it's so alive looking that it probably just fucking died Yeah, that's awful. Yeah, it's also there There was, or on the road when you see like a squirrel

who just looks like he's taking a nap in the sun. Oh no, oh no. Yeah, ugh. It reminds me of the- Anyway, you wanna tell me a story? Okay. So this, hang on, let me get in the zone for a second. Auto zone?

What's the other one? Oh Riley's Oh Riley's Wrecker and Burger What now? I'm just singing local ones now. Oh, I thought you were going to say auto parts and then I was going to go OWW!

OWW! Perfect. Honestly Got it in one take. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad we did too, just in case. Also, yes to all of you. I hear your cries about O'Reilly's auto parts

and how if you type in 1.21 or whatever, you get a flux capacitor as one of the products they sell. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. Obviously, I'm nose, obviously. Yeah, it's like- It would be wild if you didn't know. It's one of those products they sell. I know. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. Obviously, I'm nose. Obviously. It would be wild if you didn't know. It's one of those things I get a DM, I think, at least once a week. At least once a week. And every single time I'm like, do you think I don't know this? It's nice people are thinking of you, but yeah, they should have more faith that you

are new about it. That's how it feels. It's like, I'm grateful that you thought of me. I'm grateful You thought of me, but also it's like almost a little condescending that you think I wouldn't know this already, right? You know, yes, it's such a weird fine balance cuz I'm like Thank you, I do appreciate it. But also I'm like you can't possibly think I didn't know, you know Yeah, and then it's awkward cuz you're like, yeah, duh, but it's like you don't want to be an asshole, right? So you're like, yeah, duh. But it's like, you don't want to be an asshole, right? So you're like, I know, thanks. And there's no good response. It's like the time Eva told us about a dog

she had heard of called Noodle. And we were like, the one with like 40 million followers on TikTok. And she goes, my friend has this dog. And we were like, or my friend, I don't know. It was like in the alumni thing. And I felt so bad because I went, yeah. Like I felt like such a bitch after that. I was like, or my friend, I don't know. It was like in the alumni thing. And I felt so bad because I went, yeah. Like I felt like such a bitch after that.

I was like, I reacted so strangely because I was like. Well, for a con, yeah, Eva was telling us, had no awareness that this dog was actually famous and was just saying like, oh, I have a friend. And she was saying, she didn't really say, I have a friend who has this dog. It was phrased like, oh, there's this dog named Noodle. And we thought she was talking about the fact that it's a famous dog,

but she was just trying to say like, I have a friend who has this dog named Noodle. So then it got, it got complicated. So Ray apparently knew the owner or something. It was like, cause the dog went to Emerson. Well, the dog didn't go to Emerson. The dog's owner went to Emerson. And Eva was like, Oh, it was at the Emerson newsletter. And we were like, well, probably cause it has 40 million followers on TikTok. But we were like, Oh, it was at the Emerson newsletter and we were like, well probably because it has 40 million followers on TikTok. But we were like, oh, Eva said the dog went to Emerson. I think so.

I'm pretty sure. Yeah. We all ended up teaching each other something in the crossfires. What do I fucking know? I know nothing. I know Brat Summer. That's as far as my like current knowledge goes. And it's already August.

We're already late on that. So anyway, I, I apologize to Eva for that. And also I apologize to everyone who's getting a response from Em that's just an eye roll emoji. It's not an eye roll. There's only so many times I can heart the same link. You know what I'm saying?

I'm shocked you even, I open messages. I don't even open anything. I get too overwhelmed. I open some. I have to be in a certain mood. And then there's times where I don't and I go I just need a break anyway Over at the auto parts. Why were we talking about that? Hmm. We weren't we just were singing it Hmm. What was the other one you sang the?

record and burger the comfort Okay, hold on that's to so off-key. Yeah, make it sound good Burger Comfort zone. Oh. I love that. You hit that, that was nice. Zone. We have in Fredericksburg, this man, I've never met him, but I've always wanted to shake his hand.

His name's Robert B. Payne. And he is an HVAC guy because in the car, I don't know what kind of million dollars he's got for marketing, but my entire childhood This song comes on at least ten thousand times every time I'm in the car and it's for heat and air There's just one name Robert B Payne and I for my entire life. That makes me so mad. It's not even a rhyme It's a slime rhyme. I know I know but you know what Robert B Payne got his fucking message across He got his bag. You know what I mean? Yeah he sure did

Anyway, if anyone happens to know Robert B Payne of Fredericksburg, Virginia you shake his hand for me. Tell him his rhyme fucking sucks Well yeah give him like the good let's do the sandwich thing where you compliment make it an open-faced sandwich where it's just an insult at the end Shake his hand a wire shaking his hand, let him know that his name does not rhyme with the word name. Perfect. And then just let him react to that however he needs to. Actually don't even let him, just leave. Okay, actually how about everyone in Fredericksburg

let's get together and make a billboard for Robert B. Payne where we're giving him marketing, but really it's where we just write, your name doesn't even rhyme with name, so what are you doing? That way everyone gets what they need. I'm just gonna make a limerick. There once was a, what's his name?

Robert B. Payne. There once was a Robert B. Payne who thought his name rhymed with... Name. A name. There once was a Robert D. Payne. Would you be Payne? There once was a Robert B. Payne

who gave my ass a pain. Well, that doesn't sound right. Oh, hello. Would you be pain there once was a Robert B pain who? Gave my ass a pain well that doesn't sound oh There once is a Robert B pain Who thought he was rhyming his name, but instead of a rhyme it was slant the whole time and now? My brain I am that a lot of pain. Yeah, let me finish you always cut off my limerick at the end You're the bane of my existence. You're the pain of my existence. I feel like you could say Robert B pain No, you're mad that you cut off my limerick now. Nobody even heard the ending. It was good guys Oh, you know had to have the last word

Now nobody even heard the ending. It was good, guys. I'll email that, though. You just had to have the last word. I'm about to have a lot more words, because I do have a story for you, and I think you're gonna like it a lot. This is the Irma Hotel. Ooh, okay.

It sounds like a trendy boutique hotel nowadays, like The Lyle or like the Emma, you know, they all have these like fancy names Yeah, I I Feel like only certain names can do that though. I feel like the Christine makes sense I feel like I mean, no, but that's also like Eva hotel Eva Eva hotel totally works and Eva boutique M But I know a Emma Hotel. Okay.

Yeah, I don't think I'm getting a hotel named after me. Maybe like a bitch. A Schultz Hotel? A Schultz Hotel, maybe. Okay, this is an old West story, so I'm gonna need you to get really excited. I am. Okay, this is, it starts in 1895,

and before we get into it, I need to tell you that about a half of this story is me just doing deep dives on the old West. So you're gonna have to really commit to the joy. Because I really don't talk about the Irma Hotel all that much. I really just talk about people. So Irma, who tell me about the Wild West. So in 1895, Cody, Wyoming is founded, which is where Irma Hotel is.

Cody, Wyoming is founded by William F. Cody, AKA Buffalo Bill. Oh, hell yeah. And he's the one who built the Irma Hotel. So he's the CEO of Irma. I'm sure that's what he was called, yeah. And so this is now where I go into a deep dive about Buffalo Bill.

And by deep dive, I mean- I was like, how deep? Deep enough that it is definitely a section of this story, but not deep enough that like anyone who's a true Buffalo Bill fanatic is gonna be impressed. But anyone who doesn't know about Buffalo Bill is gonna have a good time. Just don't show your step-dads

because I'm sure there's plenty of Nova PBS specials that have covered this extensively. Yeah, a reminder that whenever I do a 101 or a deep dive, this is, I've never once claimed to be like, working for the Smithsonian. It's a temporary deep dive. We're just, except for that time you claimed to be working for the Smithsonian, but that was different.

When I say deep dive, I mean, this is as far as my hyperfixation allowed me to go, and you can either continue the ride yourself with further investigation away from the podcast, or you can really just enjoy the specific things that I decided were very interesting. That's right. And I promise that's going to be a good time. Now sit down and shut up and listen. Sit down, shut up.

You're going to love it. I promise. I'm going to love it. And if you have any more questions, I'm sure you have an uncle somewhere, so. You probably do, and you probably don't wanna ask him, because he's gonna never stop talking. I guess this is what I'll say, these are the log lines,

these are the beats that will get you interested in Buffalo Bill for you to do your own investigation. It's like a supplement to a Nova special. Mm-hmm. OK. Yes, OK. Do you know anything about Buffalo Bill, by the way? Because I feel like I'm about to teach the teacher.

Well, yeah, because I haven't covered Buffalo Bill, have I? Or did I? No, I covered, what's his face? Oh, Christine, come on. Not Buffalo Bill, the other one. Kid, Billy the Kid. Kid, Billy the Kid. I covered Billy the Kid, so I feel like... That was a good one.

I feel like I learned peripherally about Buffalo Bill during that research, but I really don't know much. So I thought this was as far as you were gonna go. He's a trapper, frontiersman, and that's as far as I was willing to go. And then I thought, you know what, we were gonna go. He's a trapper, frontiersman, and that's as far as I was willing to go. And then I thought, you know what? Someone's gonna have something to say that I'm just blowing past Buffalo Bill.

And he's like the main character anyway, so he deserves a little screen time. He gets a little context. So then I ended up deep diving in wow, obsessed with his story. Not, I don't know if I'm obsessed with him as a person, but I am, like I would like a life as interesting as his. Let's put it that way.

Sure. So he's a trapper. That's how he starts out. Then he gets involved in the gold rush. Okay. He's a child, let's be clear. Yeah. Then by 14, he retires his time in the gold Rush. He's a CEO now and he's retired.

He's the CEO of Gold. It's giving Hamilton where it's like our founding fathers like signed like they made a country at 18 years old. They're like also five feet tall and everyone's like, oh, we thought you're so much taller and older. Nope. My favorite part has been people like, I don't know, like my father and they're like, oh yeah, well, our founding fathers, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, would you listen to a single thing an 18 year old had to say to you right now if they- Right? Like if your teenager was like, look at what I did, I'd be like, please sit down.

If an 18 year old said, these are the rules that you must follow, this is how you have to live for the rest of your life. Would you fucking listen for a second? No, okay. Anyway, so he's a trapper, gets involved in the gold rush. I really don't know how involved he is in the gold rush. I didn't even have the time to get into that. But fun fact, I think that's how he gets to California.

That's probably how he got all that money. Well, no, no, you'll see. Let's put it this way, he's a real mover and shaker. He's got a little toe dipped in everything. Okay, all right. When he is a part of the Gold Rush, this is at the same time, this is around 1860, when California, maybe because of the Gold Rush,

I don't know, what the hell was going on, it was a busy era that the 1800s. Yeah, 1849, dude. 49ers. Yeah, and so I'm assuming the Gold Rush is somehow involved in this, but about 10 years later is 1860, which is when California decides that they need

a newer, hotter, fresher, brat summer version of the mail system. They're like, things are just moving too fucking slow. Like postal mail? Postal mail. Oh, okay. They're like, things are just moving too fucking slow. Like postal mail? Like mail? Postal mail. Oh, okay. They're like, we need a new mail route.

We need a new way of getting things there that's faster than what we've currently been doing. Aha, let's create the Pony Express. I see. And I always heard the phrase Pony Express only until yesterday did I realize it's literally expressed by pony where people are riding ponies.

What did you think it was? I don't know. I just never, I didn't know anything about it. I just heard the phrase. I didn't assume it was ponies. I didn't even know it was like. I thought you were about to tell me, I had no idea until now that there were no ponies involved

and I was gonna be like, man. No, I really, I just heard pony express and I just thought like, oh, that's a type of male. I don't know. Like I knew it was like a historical thing, but I never thought about it. I never spent time looking into it. I just heard Pony Express and thought it was like a phrasing or something. Never occurred to me a horse was involved. So here I am at 32, admitting that out loud. So before you think I'm stupid, I know I'm here. I mean, I don't know that anybody knows that. I just was really bummed because I thought you were going to tell me there were no ponies. So now I'm excited that

there are that I was right about that. No, actually now I'm an expert on ponies. It took a day and now I know what's going on. So 1860 California, they create the Pony Express. Basically what they decide to do is that they create these post stations every 10 to 15 miles. It's essentially U-Hull but ponies. And every 10 to 15 miles is what one horse is allowed to do in your traveling.

You're a mailman on a horse, you get 10 to 15 miles, and then the horse may get tired. So you have to switch out the horse. So at every post, youman on a horse. You get 10 to 15 miles and then the horse may get tired. So you have to switch out the horse. So at every post, you get a new horse. I see. Oh, you're like switching them out. Okay. Yes.

And this, I don't remember how far it extended, but it was to Montana, Missouri. It was an M state in the middle. It was an M state, but that's as far as the Pony Express would go. And so at your longest trek, if you were starting from one end to the other, it would take 75 horses to get you

to get your mail across. And I don't know if that was, apparently, I saw two different sources. I'm guessing both are kind of true. I really, I should have looked up a third one, but either you're a postmaster for that 10 to 15 miles and your whole job is to get it to this place and then someone takes a new horse and goes this way.

Some people would literally just take the whole route themselves. They would hop from horse to horse and get you there. So I'd get your mail there. As you know how now it's like, oh, my mail gets to this packaging center, then this packaging center, and they're all different people who get my mail to me.

Right, so this would be some people. Sometimes people would just take the entire trail themselves and get your mail to them. It's quite a journey. All right. Well, that happened in Bill Cody, Buffalo Bill's situation, because he becomes a writer for the Pony Express, and one of the first times that he is given

some sort of specific notoriety as a frontiersman and he like really makes his name, is a day where he is working for the Pony Express and his relay stations have been burned down by indigenous people apparently. I don't know the actual history to this but that is the story that's being told. They all get burned down,

and he had to keep moving without switching horses, without someone else maybe tag-teaming in and taking the rest of the mail with them. He was like, nope, that's just me and my pony. We have nothing to do with the mail. Don't mind me, just passing through. Just passing through. So yeah, for all I know, he was supposed to just stop there, and We have nothing to do with the mail. Don't mind me. Just passing through. Yeah, just passing through. So yeah, for all I know, he was supposed to just stop there

and then someone else was gonna grab the mail and keep it moving. But it was up to him because all the stations had burned down. So he was like, I gotta get this. How important was that mail? Like, what did he think was in there? I mean, he probably wanted to get out of there.

That's fair. So the thing that makes him like so quick to fame in this era of his life is Because there was nobody else and there were no other horses. He rode 330 miles in under 22 hours. So in less than a day. Holy shit Oh, this is one of the things that made him like known as a frontiersman So I did the math he was moving 15 miles an hour the entire time. I did more math and the average horse can move 30 miles an hour, so the horse was going about half its speed.

So it's not like they were guessing the whole way. I feel like this is a question that might be very dumb on my part, but are all ponies horses, but not all horses are ponies? Like what, how do you know a pony is different from a horse? Are they different? I might, I don't know how true this is. I feel like a pony would be slower than a horse,

but I could be wrong, I don't know. I also kind of think that maybe the pony express is just a cute way of saying horses are involved. Oh, okay. You did say you were gonna be today's expert on ponies, so I feel like you should at least know if it's a different animal than a horse, but I'll Google it.

Is a pony a horse? Pony is a small breed of horse, okay. So it's a type of horse. Interesting. Let's see. The Pony Express used regular horses, not ponies. See, okay, so that's silly that they would even call it that, but whatever. I don't know, if I had like a dog company, I would use the word puppy, but mean dogs.

The Puppy Express. Oh, God. If there was a Puppy Express, that to me means someone's mailing me a puppy dog, and I would like to sign up on that list right now. Right, but don't put it in the mail. That seems like a bad idea. means someone's mailing me a puppy dog and I would like to sign up on that on that list right now. Right, but don't put it in the mail. That seems like a bad idea. It's like the mail but with holes in the box.

Nope. Don't do that. I feel like if there's something called the puppy express, they're different than the regular mail and they know what they're doing. Yeah, I thought it was dogs delivering your mail, which I was very excited about. If you happen to have one of those dogs, if you have lucked out and you're one of God's favorites and you have a dog who brings you the newspaper every morning, you are part of the puppy express.

You are, and you have to be paid. Your dog is in a union, so you do have to pay the dog. The cheese tax. Right, of course. So, okay, he's part of the Pony Express. He ends up doing this big long run. Also, like, claps to the, like, fucking ponies or horses who did all 330 miles without a break. Yeah, what the fuck? That's not fair. They're not supposed to be doing that. And I guarantee you they just got, like, an extra carrot for dinner and that was it. Oh, God. So anyway, that's how he makes his, like, first big, you know, splash. Then, at 21, he works for the Kansas Pacific Railroad, where his whole job is to be a buffalo hunter.

So that way he can feed the construction crews of the railroad. Oh. It's one of those jobs that you don't even think about the company where like it branches off and there's so many other people involved. So he was essentially the person providing food for the crews. Wow, because yeah, you're right. Somebody had to feed them. That's a good point.

So Cody, in 18 months, sorry to all the animal lovers out there, but he killed over almost 6,600 buffalo in 18 months. But that's apparently how many people he needed to feed. And because of this stat, I'm guessing he killed more than any other buffalo hunter in the game. And that's why he became known as Buffalo Bill. Makes perfect sense. Later, he ends up working for the government as a rider between different forts.

And then he does some other like incredibly long distance horse run apparently. He's a guide for important people traveling through the West during this time is when he becomes really good friends with Theodore Roosevelt. He also serves as a chief scout for the Fifth Cavalry. He is appointed, or he's elected to the Nebraska State Senate. He's awarded a Medal of Honor at one point. He becomes a colonel in the National Guard and he's all about that Wild West life at the same time. So he at this point, he's so well known that people literally are writing books about him,

or even if they're not real. I think they're writing like fake stories and he's the main character, like original fan fiction. Yeah, he's like, he's like creating a name for himself. That's interesting. And so like that's he finds out that other people are profiting off of like stories or fake stories about him, probably both. He finds out that one of the books about him turns into a play that's out in New York City. What? He goes to New York City, I'm imagining on his like very fast pony and he gets there in a day.

Yeah. He gets to New York, he goes to the play, they find out that Buffalo Bill is literally in the audience and so he stands up and gets a standing ovation for attending. And then the manager- They should just always have a guy in the audience and be like, Buffalo Bill's here tonight. Like, nobody knows what he looks like.

There's no fucking like social media, like just have somebody stand up. Truly, I wonder there had to be somebody who faked it after that, for sure. Well, because of the, you know, the rave reviews from the audience members and the entire cast that Buffalo Bill actually came to see the show, the manager, or like one of the stage managers said like, would you ever want to actually come back to New York City and play yourself in the play about you? And he goes, ding, ding, ding, and he smells more money

and he goes a run in. So this begins his entertainment career. See, I didn't know any of this. He was apparently a natural on stage. But that's also apparently he was was always kind of schmoozy and charismatic and he knew what the people wanted. He was friends with the Roosevelts already. Yeah, exactly.

And plus I imagine, especially at that time when information is so limited compared to today, he must just have looked like such a crazy other person. In New York City, and there's a literal cowboy on stage telling you about the Wild West, and he's acting in his own show. And nobody's really been there, and nobody knows much about it.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, and because he'd already gotten so much notoriety from other people when he was on stage, and because he's like a cowboy, and he's like, I'm fucking Buffalo Bill, I can do what I want, it's a show about me. He would just ad-lib his own lines, but he would name drop celebrities

that he's friends with and shit. Like just to, so people were like desperate to keep seeing the show. And so it becomes a thing where he has almost a double life where in the summer he's in the Wild West and he's like being a like a frontiersman or real and then in New York and the he'd be in New York in the winter on tour. What? This is wild. Get it? Yeah.

Uh-huh. Yes, it's very wild. He continues to act in plays starring himself, including plays that are now based on newer adventures of him. So now that they know he's acting, they're writing new plays for him to be in based on the updated things he's been doing. So like there was, oh, he was friends with General Custer. And then when General Custer died, this is a legend.

Nobody knows how true this is, but he heard that General Custer died from indigenous people. He apparently avenged General Custer by then killing a famous native warrior. And then someone wrote a play about that and then he started it like six months later. So it's very topical. He's almost like writing his own adventures or like creating his own adventures that will be. That's kind of what I'm wondering

because I don't know how much of that story is true. Apparently, nobody knows for sure. There's different camps on that. But he could just say whatever he wanted and just hope that they'd write a play about it probably. Yeah. So the next summer, he leans more into his cowboy lifestyle when he's not on tour, and this gives him a new idea

to merge his cowboy life with his stage life. And this results in him creating Buffalo Bill's Wild West show. Yay! And it was essentially the blueprint for future rodeos because he spent the next several years touring the country with trick writers and sharpshooters, and he would have other famous people in that lifestyle

out on the road with him. He had Annie Oakley out there. Wow. And it was so successful that he took the show to the UK for years and he ended up building out a team, because this is another thing where you like, don't think about all the people branched out at the end that make something possible. Right.

He had a team of 600 people he was touring with. Shut the fuck up. And hundreds of animals. Holy shit. There was, I didn't write it down, but there was some newspaper article Shut the fuck up. And hundreds of animals. Holy shit. I didn't write it down, but there was some newspaper article. Imagine that godforsaken boat ride to England

with all those people and animals. Oh my Lord, I would die. Apparently his team was feeding like 640 people on the road or something. And during his tour, his UK tour, he even performed for the royal family. And I guess because they were the royal family, he was like, come on down and be a part of the show. And he in the show drove a stagecoach, which at one time all held Buffalo Bill, the Prince of Wales, the King of Belgium, the King of Saxony, the King of Denmark and the King of Greece all at once.

They were all in a car together hanging out. Like a clown car for clowns. Like a clown car. Like a clown car. And on another future European tour, he even performed for the Pope at the Vatican. After that, Buffalo Bill brings the show to the Chicago World Fair. He partners with Bailey of Barnum and Bailey Circus.

And eventually, he is, quote, the most well-known American in the world. That is, the bananagrams. I had no idea about any of this. So, apparently when he was in the West, whenever he was staying in the West,

he really loved the town that would become Cody, Wyoming, after him. And he loved the area so much that he even made development deals and investment deals with people who were trying to grow the area. And he made kind of a, I'm assuming this was just a promise and not an official contract deal. But he said, wherever I go when I'm on tour,

I'm gonna talk about how great this place is and hopefully it brings people here and builds revenue and then the town will really grow. So while he was on tour, I'm gonna talk about how great this place is, and hopefully it brings people here and builds revenue, and then the town will really grow. So while he was on tour, all he did, it was basically like his hello fresh. He would just be like, oh, and by the way, check out Cody, Wyoming. And then it apparently worked. And so trusting that the tourism would continue,

he was like, I'm gonna profit on this too, and I'm going to help build one of the first hotels here. And people will come to a town town which is now named after me. And people can can come hang out and see how I live in the West. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. And in the town that you hang out in when you're not on tour and live like you, you know, amongst the stars. Amongst the stars. they're really real.

So that's my deep dive of Buffalo Bill. And because he's trusting in the tourism and he builds his hotel, he had several children. I think he had multiple daughters, but at this point, a bunch of them had already passed away. He only had one daughter still living. Her name was Irma. And so in 1902, he built the Irma Hotel in Cody, Wyoming.

That's cute. So he spent $80,000 on the hotel, which today would be $3 million. Oh, okay. And he afforded it with the money he made from his Wild West shows and all of his little hands in pots. So it was called by some, the Grand Old Lady of Cody, the hotel, the grand old lady. It's a weird thing to say. Yeah. And I wonder if back then it was just the grand lady and

now it's the grand old lady. And it immediately became like a social center of the town, probably because the town itself was still being built up. And so the town doesn't even exist before now. So I think he turned the hotel into basically just like a marketplace for everybody. Epicenter, that's a great word. Many who came to Cody were either Buffalo Bill fanatics, they were summer tourists who wanted to check out Yellowstone National Park, they were big game hunters, or they were businessmen in mining and ranching.

Think about like if that started now, it would be like a Great Wolf Lodge or something. And people would be like, oh, I want to go to this celebrity. I don't know why I'm throwing all these influencers. Like I know anything. Like I said, Tana Mongeur earlier, I'm like, I don't know anything about her.

I just was trying- I was impressed by that. I let it slide. I wasn't going to say anything, but I was impressed. Well, I just, I feel like, and then I like slandered her. I was not trying to do that. I was just saying, if I were some big name, I could send out my signature, but I'm not at that level that. I was just saying, if I were some like big name, I could send out my signature,

but I'm not at that level is what I was trying to say. But imagine if like Logan Paul started the Paul Hotel and everybody else was like, I roll like, but then in 200 years, someone's covering it like, and Logan Paul was an entrepreneur and businessman and he had a line of drinks called Prime Energy and he opened this hotel and it became a sensation. And now we're all like, how tacky, you know?

But in 200 years, it'll be like, wow, a piece of history. You know, I'm sure someone back then was like, this guy's running a fucking hotel. Like, you hear your neighbors are summering in Cody, Wyoming, and you're like, ugh, God, they're such followers, you know? They're like, Cody, Wyoming, I grew up with the actual Cody, and he wasn't all that. Yeah for real. I know it's like a big whoop this guy I feel like he's like a celebrity of his day. Anyway, although I have heard from well the Internet

I've heard from people. You've heard I've heard from the Internet and these keep in mind These are people who are incredibly biased and really like him But they all said that he is apparently such a nice person, where even his own manager, when he was doing the Wild West show, would get so mad at him because he would stop the show to help people,

or he would give the proceeds to certain areas. Tell people that he ran over with his big car clowns. Maybe, with his 80 buffalo that followed him, yeah. But it sounded like he was an inconvenient person to be representing because he would go out of his way for other people. Although I don't know what that means. I'm sure historically there are many sides to Buffalo Bill.

That's what I've heard about Logan Paul also. All right, maybe I'm wrong. Well, so he ended up- I was making a joke, but never mind, it didn't land. I got it, but joke landed for sure. He ended up staying here at the hotel whenever he was in town because he would whenever he wasn't on tour, basically. So he built it almost for himself as like an apartment when he was in town.

And he had two suites and an office that were reserved for him. I think you're around. You couldn't go in unless you were him. And he even held tryouts for his Wild West shows near the hotel. So people could also come in and stay there while auditioning for him. It was actually a really smart business move. Fun fact, the bar that is still in this hotel,

the hotel still exists, and the bar is made of cherry, and it is a gift from Queen Victoria when he was on his UK tour. Oh my gosh. And the dining room was originally the hotel's saloon. Love that there used to be a saloon. And here's my favorite fun fact, which I think you'll get a real kick out of, is that there's apparently a buffalo head in like the lobby or something that it was it was like a carving like a statue I guess it was hand carved by a man who had never seen a buffalo shut up shut the fuck up that's amazing so you go in there you kind of go huh like what is that something weird about this buffalo apparently it kind of looks like

a sheep but I guess that like I guess it does have that furry. Somebody could be confused by that, like a little furry collar. But I love, like I want to know how, so the other parts of the story is apparently he like carried it like across the ocean. He like wouldn't let go of it. He held onto it until he could finally mount it in this building. But like, I like, what's the story? Like how did, who saw that? And? And did you feel bad for the guy?

Did you commission the guy? Yeah, was it like... Like, did you already pay for it? Yeah. Did he, like, was he like Leonardo da Vinci? Like, you just swung into him while you were at the Vatican? Like, what was your story, what was there me cute and why was it so significant that no matter how ugly this thing was, you said, thank you, I'm going to hang it up in the fucking lobby. Or is that why you love, like how I get attached to things that are missing an eye or something? You know what I mean?

Like, is that what it was? Or imagine if Buffalo Bill really thought that this guy was going to carve him a real fucking buffalo head, and then he saw it and he went, thanks. You know, like. Thanks so much. And then people kept trying to do something with it, and he's like, no, I think I'll just hang onto it for now

and not display it. It was, yeah, I don't know the story there, but apparently the band had never seen a fucking buffalo, which I love that. I mean, proof that like how powerful the internet is and how like unlimited our resources are now. You're an artist literally doing a piece on Buffalo and you just get to fucking guess what that looks like.

No, and like we, I feel like we take it for granted that like we've seen a Buffalo, because like in what other universe would we see a Buffalo if we were living in the 18 whatever in a big city? When would you ever see a fucking Buffalo? And you're just like, I just gotta hope that I'm right. Like what do other people say? And then just kind of pull the group think together.

Yeah, or like on a drawing from someone else's drawing. I don't know. It just seems like there's no good way to do it. Like an uncanny valley buffalo. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to see that. So in 1913, which the place only opened in 1902. So this wasn't very long after it was open.

Buffalo Bill, he signed the hotel over to his ex-wife. I think there was like some sort of divorce settlement situation going on. And then four years later, he died. The hotel was foreclosed on, but then it was sold on an auction to someone who sold it back to Buffalo Bill's ex-wife so she could live there until she died. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Then new owners took it over until the 60s and then by the 70s, new owners made sure that it was added to the National Register of Historic Places and any restorations or renovations that they've done, they've tried to keep it within preservation guidelines

and so it may look antique or it may may be modern, but it looks antique. That way it still looks as it did. My dream, my dream aesthetic. Your dream aesthetic is modern antiques. And today the hotel is still a hotel. It's also a restaurant in the dining room. And it offers weird experiences. It's got a Mother's Day horse auction every summer.

Oh. Uh, or every spring. And they also have, a lot of sources said this was nightly, as in year round 365 days a year. The Wild Bunch Gunfighters Wild West Show, where- Shut up. Right outside where he used to audition people

for the Wild West Show, you can now see a reenactment of a gunslinger fight Stop it. Although a lot of people did not promote that well because there were some sites I was looking at where they said like you can watch a gunfight for free and I was like, uh, I could Yeah, I've been there done that thanks a lot But they were just framing it weird and I was like, what the fuck is this show? And then I had to find, I think it was like, it's like a cowboy run after the situation. So in the Irma Hotel, there's four main ghosts

that people experience. One is Buffalo Bill himself. People say that they see him wandering the halls. He's standing on a balcony a lot of times. He'll be checking on the staff. People will sense him around when they're working by themselves. People will hear knocking on the walls,

footsteps in the hallways near his old room and staff will see him drinking at the bar. So. Mm, love that. I would like to know what his drink was and I hope there's like a discount or a special for that. Scabby whiskey or something. Right, just like warm.

I feel like it was always whiskey back then. Just a bunch of, just like a boring drink. No flair. Probably not. But then part of me is like I wish they would make a fun flair drink for them. I'm sure they do, right? You don't think so? I don't know.

I'd like to think it's like one of those fun drinks that has like sparks. Like you sprinkle something and then it like flames, you know? Yeah, maybe. I don't think they do, but I'd like it to be fun. That's something dazzling. I'd like it to taste good, but you and I have different priorities. Have you never had a drink that looked cool and tasted good?

Oh no, it did, but I just know you don't drink alcohol. So I'm like, for me, I'm like, I just want the alcohol that tastes the best. You want the fun showy one. Maybe we can do both. I feel like his personality was showy and he had a whole like big- Yeah, he was a showman.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like there should be something, at least come with a sparkler. That would probably blow his fucking mind, but yeah. A sparkler would absolutely blow his mind. If he could have incorporated pyrotechnics into that. Pyrotechnics, yeah. Like as a cowboy who probably didn't experience a lot

of that, imagine if that man saw what fireworks can do. Seriously, wow. His brain would melt. I think so. So yeah, staff see him walking around. They see him drinking at the bar. People also hear his spurs as if he's moving past them in empty rooms.

Cool. And if you stay in his room, but you look like his ex-wife, apparently he will knock drinks out of your hand. What? What does his ex-wife look like? Yeah, see, that's another thing that they should warn you about, but that's the fun mystery of the internet.

No one will tell me what his wife looked like. I wonder if he also had a portrait done of her by someone who'd never seen her before, and it also kind of looks like a sheep. I wonder if someone just carved her head and she looks like, I don't know, a dog. I don't know. A sheep. Yeah, so apparently women who have gone into his room that look like his ex-wife, they feel like someone touching their arm, like smacking their arm.

They've felt their drinks get knocked out of their hands. Things have happened and they only get stopped once, like their husband, Yuck, tells the ghost to respect their wife while they're staying in the room and that they'll be gone shortly. And then all of a sudden the activity will stop. Some staff have even seen him in the reflections of mirrors in the dining room, which he really seems

to like the dining room. That's also where the bar is, remember? Or the saloon was. That was the saloon, right? Yeah. So a lot of experiences happened there. He's also apparently known to knock on the door in the morning, knock on your door,

as if he is doing the old school version of like a wake-up call before the alarm clocks. Oh, like doing his morning rounds, like everybody up. Yeah, so it sounds like he was, he's residually still doing wake-up calls for people. Wow. In room 16, this is another ghost. People say that his daughter Irma haunts this room. This was actually her old room in the hotel and the room is named after her now. It's called the Irma suite I think. And she I think died in this room. She definitely died in the hotel,

but I'm thinking it's in this room. Do you know if she was older or was she? No, she was 35. Oh, shit. It was during the flu epidemic. And then days later, her husband, who fun fact was the hotel manager at the time, also died there of the flu epidemic. I think it was a pneumonia that they got from the flu. People in this room sense a very warm, friendly presence. Sometimes they see her rocking in her rocking chair.

That's kind of it. People just say that they know she's around, but they don't really feel anything bad. And they just kind of sense someone watching them. I can get down with that. Yeah, of the ghosts, give me the one who, she just wants her rocking chair and I'm not trying to mess with that. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not gonna mess with that. Yeah, of the ghosts, give me the one who, she just wants her rocking chair and I'm not trying to mess with that.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm not gonna sit in that thing. I do wonder, is the rocking chair in the room or is she appearing with the rocking chair? Oh, I hadn't even thought of that. I was gonna say it's a hotel's fault for putting a rocking chair in there, but you're right. It could be a ghostly rocking chair.

It's like she's going to the function and bringing her own lawn chair cause she just doesn't trust what's going on there. E-Y-O-R-C. Mm-hmm. Bjhmm. You get it. That's what Bjork stands for. Oh, okay. Good. I was always kind of wondering.

Bring your own rocking chair. So, another spirit here is said to be more intimidating. This is probably the darker spirit in this hotel. Apparently, it likes to make people have that sense of, like, doom or, like, it's an ominous kind of feeling. It's never hurt anybody, but it freaks people out. He said to harass, he was said to harass people in life. So once we know who it is, you know, there was no name.

This is, this is one of those things where I'm like, I think just the game of telephone has bastardized whatever's going on because I also don't know if this is like just part of like a scary story, but they say that this this entity, when alive, would harass people and was probably an old outlaw because he was known for hanging people out of the window by belts, but they don't have his name. Hanging people like by their neck? Like hanging them? Hanging them? I don't know, probably no, it's like just holding them over the like to like threaten them and like holding them, hanging them? I don't know. For all I know, it's like just holding them over the, like to like threaten them and like holding them Oh God.

by their belt. I don't know. It could also mean hanging them by their belt, but who knows? It could. It feels like a difference you would want to clarify people, but I guess not. It's all bad and vague.

Just like he used to hang people over the window by their belt. Nothing good, yeah. Apparently one team, one investigative team came in and they tried to talk to this spirit and asked if all this was true. And they apparently got a bunch of like confirmation responses to that.

But I mean, it's still like, why is no one asking what this guy's name is? So. Yeah. Or if they did, I certainly didn't see it. I did, I was looking around for quite some time, didn't see it. So the final ghost here is the most famous one

and it's in the most haunted room of the hotel, which is room 35. So room 35 is the most haunted room. There is a soldier that's said to be seen here and he likes to prank people that are sitting here. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He has appeared to people in this room only from the waist down.

So you just see a pair of legs walking around, pair of gams. Hope he's wearing pants. He is wearing pants and people can tell that he's a soldier because of the pants and his sword. Oh, sword, wink. Wink. Yeah. What's scarier is that it's just like a pair of moving.

It's just a moving sword. It's just a sword flying through the air. Yeah. Excellent. One guy saying here heard a crash in his room and he saw a sign had fallen off the wall, so when he hung it back up, it then flew 20 feet across the room.

Faucets will turn on and off by themselves, toilets will flush on their own, items will move or rearrange themselves. People have woken up to their clothes in a pyramid at the foot of their bed. Ew! And people will wake up to something cold touching them. Whoa, stop, it's a sword.

One time someone saw the soldier actually walking around the room and then leaving the room through the closed door. So walked right through the closed door. And it's always just the pants? Always just the pants apparently. Throughout the hotel, this is just general ghosts. Now people claim that their items disappear and reappear.

Electronics die or temporarily die. And then as soon as like you try to recharge them, they're at full battery. People hear voices. People have also said that they see people who aren't there in the dining room. So it looks more full than it is. Shining. Staff have actually said that they've seen guests people who aren't there in the dining room. So it looks more full than it is.

Shining. Staff have actually said that they've seen guests sitting at the booth getting like ready to order. And then when they approach the table, they vanish. The people vanish in front of them. Ooh, that's cause you and I went and there was not a tasty drink that had a firecracker in it. And we said, fuck this, I'm out.

I'm like, I'm like, I just get what water? Yuck. I'm dining and dashing, die. And then there is a photo, I think still hanging I'm like, I just get what water? Yuck. I'm dining and dashing, die. And then there is a photo, I think still hanging in the lobby, probably under this like fugly buffalo head. And this, it's an early picture of the hotel and only sometimes is there a shadowy figure seen in the corner of the photo.

So that's giving goosebumps or something because like there's like only sometimes there's this thing in the corner of the photo. So that's giving goosebumps or something because like there's like only sometimes there's this thing in the picture. It's like a disappearing reappearing character in the photo. Does it have like a face or is it just like a shadow? Just a shadowy figure in the corner. I wonder who that is. They think it's Buffalo Bill, that's what they say.

But is he in the photo? He's not in the original photo? I haven't seen the photo. I don't know. But they're like, maybe it's Buffalo Bill. But like, it could be anything. But I do think that's like very Twilight Zone or Are You Afraid of the Dark or something.

Some hokey horror thing that you've seen as a kid. It feels like a little cliche, yeah. Yeah, like disappearing in the picture and showing up sometimes. Anyway, so those are the main ghosts at this hotel. They have made efforts to cleanse the hotel from the spirits and it apparently has not worked. So I don't know what that means.

Anyway, here's where I, that's the ghost. This is where the story could end, but I need to finish on, I need to finish on this deep dive that I did. Please, no one's stopping you. There's, so of the 15 original rooms of the hotel from the 1900s, I think all 15 still exist. They are known as like the original rooms

and to mark them as original rooms, they are named after wild west icons of the time and local pioneers of the area. Got it. So there's your classic Annie Oakley, Calamity Jane. There's Buffalo Bill. So you got your famous cowboy situation. Then there's some other rooms that

are named after local frontiersmen and trappers who are really good friends with Buffalo Bill. Boring. Nothing interesting about them. Nothing to see here. Then you got some people who have like a fun fact about them. So room 14 is a is dedicated to Agnes Chamberlain, who is the wife of the town's first dentist. Okay. Then there's room 16, who is named after Irma Nepo baby. It's just the daughter of the

Buffalo, a daughter of Buffalo Bill, and it was her room. So they didn't have to daughter of Buffalo Bill You know what? Um, you sit down They didn't even have to think about that one. They just went that one fills itself in then there's then there's room 31 Who is named after Henry Dahlem who is the first County Sheriff of the area, which I thought was boring But apparently his wife Bertha was a fantastic whistler which I thought was boring, but apparently his wife, Bertha, was a fantastic whistler. Okay. Ah!

She's the town whistler. That is literally in his bio when they were describing this room. They're literally like, Bertha was an accomplished whistler. Wow. They should have named it the Bertha Room, but whatever.

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, so what? He gets, for what? Like, she's clearly interesting enough that she is taking space in his bio. So let's just. Let's give her some credit. Then these were my top three favorites.

I have to give you my top threes. There is room 19 named after Jakey Schwub who feels like not a real person. Jakey Schwub was the manager of the town general store. He was the mayor of Cody and he was a town councilman. Apparently he was the nicest person ever. Like the sweetest nicest person ever. He was apparently given this one award at one point

where basically you have to be voted as like the number one person in Wyoming to just have this award. Like a good person award. Like a good person award. Like a good person award, basically. He ran the general store. He would leave dinner parties just to go like take care of a customer if they needed something

when the store was closed. I don't know how he had access to that without like a fucking phone, but okay. He fought to establish- It was just like his wife made another pot roast and he was like, oh, sorry. Actually somebody said the general store. I'm gonna not go there and eat a bunch of beef jerky

while you're not looking. He fought to establish the first state highway because he saw the significance of automobiles one day. Hey, we got a memory shaker over here. And he said, for tourism, we have to be on board with the highway so people will come in one day to hang out here. He's on it.

Fun fact, he was so big into, he was the original like car stepdad, you know what I mean? Oh no, not the original. He owned the very first automobile in town and he would give all the kids rides and take them to school on winter days. Cool.

He also drove the first car. He has, this is like a real title that he has. He was the first person to ever drive a car in Yellowstone Park. Wow. And fun fact, his, so the town of Cody was incorporated and immediately after his son was born,

so his kid is the first- No way. Cody, Cody born resident. Wow. Did they name him Cody? I hope so. And then in 1901, there was an effort to start a town band to bring people in. And Jakey joined even though he

doesn't know how to play an instrument. He just wanted to be in the band. Oh, Jakey is the person this room is named after. I forgot the name already. Okay. Oh, oh, did we did he did he just get birthed at a whistle for him? He probably just like mouthed his mouth and she whistled behind him. That's what I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's like a two man show. He probably got jealous that Bertha was probably invited to the band and he went, wait a minute, now I want him. If Bertha wants to go, I get to go. So anyway, yeah, I loved that the town decided, you know what's really going to get things kicking, like without any social media or any other marketing,

we're going to have a band and they'll hear us from across the mountain. This feels like a Christopher Guest movie, the town decided, you know what's really gonna get things kickin' like without any social media or any other marketing, we're gonna have a band and they'll hear us from across the mountain. This feels like a Christopher Guest movie, like Spinal Tap or Waiting for the Wolfman. I don't know. Well, so anyway, that's Jakey Schwub. That's one of the rooms you can get. Another room that you can get is room 27,

which is named after Vern Spencer. He was one of the last great frontiersmen. He owned the local taxidermy shop, and he was apparently such an impressive marksman by 13 that Buffalo Bill already had his eyes on him for a Wild West show. He's a star. He's a star like me.

He was apparently one of the nature guides in the area for President Hoover, Ernest Hemingway, the Wrigleys, MGM executives, and several movie stars of the time. He once was wounded by an 1100 pound grizzly bear, which turned on him and slashed his chest open. And then he survived. Another time he broke his ankle at a 15,000 foot high elevation and he used his own rifles

as crutches. This is what my dad thinks he is. Yeah. And then he was a lifelong friend and neighbor to Caroline Lockhart saying that she was quite the character. Now who was Caroline Lockhart? Who was she? I gotta tell ya, she is literally the woman of my dreams. Tell me more.

Because I saw in his bio, lifelong friend and neighbor of 60 years, a Caroline Lockhart. And all he had to say was, she was quite a character. And I went, now Vern, she must've been quite a character because she's getting mentioned here

as if I'm supposed to know who she is. Yeah. I scrolled down a little bit. Room 37 is dedicated to Caroline Lockhart. Oh, thank God, okay. Who was quite the character. Now, when I hear quite the character, I think I could guess kind of what you mean. Like, oh, she had like a fun personality.

She like quilted for fun and made silly designs. She's quirky. And also like quirky for like the mid 1800s. Like how quirky can you be? Yeah. I... I... for like the mid 1800s, like how quirky can you be? Yeah. I, I, I literally could not,

I could not love a person more than this person. Her, I'm just gonna say it. Her novels and her columns rang with sharp wit, humor, and bright hopes for the underdog. She was called one of the four best humorists in America. Hey! She was Boston's first female newspaper reporter, went under the pen name Suzette,

and covered featured assignments such as walking on the bottom of the Boston Harbor for a half an hour in early day and 250 pound diving gear, entering a circus cage with a lion who had killed his trainer the day before. Oh, sure. Interviewing a convicted murderer and testing out the Boston Fire Department's first fire nets

by jumping out of a fourth store hotel window. She's a fucking delight. Lockhart was able to close down an illicit home for wayward women after she stayed there in disguise and investigated the atrocities. She once joined a circus and vaudeville act and traveled with them. She also went to work cooking

for the Osage indigenous people. And apparently no one could get in for a story about them, but only she did. And when her story came out, that week's issue sold out in less than 30 minutes. Caroline was a close friend of Anna Jarvis, the woman who has been given credit for starting Mother's Day.

However, Ms. Jarvis always held that it was really Caroline who deserved the credit due to all of her coverage of Mother's Day. Oh! She purchased and edited the Cody Enterprise, which is Cody's weekly newspaper, and worked against Pro prohibition's dry laws in her column called As Seen From the Water Wagon.

Yes! She founded the Cody Stampede Rodeo, which is Cody's two-day Fourth of July celebration. She has been inducted into the Cowgirl Hall of Fame. She published many novels, three of which became movies. They were comedies. And she kept pets such as wildcats, bears, eagles, and snakes. And after having seen performers writing bucking broncos multiple times,

she insisted on trying it for herself against the urgent warning from Buffalo Bill himself. Her ultimate success in writing the bronco was met with a public congratulations from Buffalo Bill and a gift of one of his ponies. Her last notable achievement was at 79 when her and her boyfriend, former rodeo clown Pinky Gist, bought one of the first television sets in Cody, Wyoming and would regularly host viewing parties for the neighborhood children so they could watch Hop Along Cassidy. Her Wikipedia picture is her holding a grizzly bear. Okay, I was gonna say, is it the one of a bear? Cause I just Googled her and there's literally a bear

in the picture. I'm in love with her. Wow. Wow. I'm in love with her. And all of her pictures, she's smiling real big. She knows who she is. I love this picture of her with a bar, like at a bar

and she's behind the bar and the sign says, Men Will Fit Outside. Yes! with a bar, like at a bar, and she's behind the bar and the sign says, men will fit outside. Yes. Also, one of her books, like all of her books apparently, I don't know if all of them were, but most of them were comedies. Apparently they were like really, really funny. And then one of them was like,

it felt like it was like almost a time travel book where it was before, it was during the Old West and after the Old West where like the the first half starts with this group of people and the second half of the book is 20 years later and where these people are now that the Old West is changing. That's cool. And so it was a narrative on like how the Old West is is moving and changing. What's your guys name? Pinky Gist? Pinky, yeah Gist or Gist. He was a rodeo clown. Oh my gosh And they were boyfriend and girlfriend in their 70s. I love that so She was like, I'm not marrying a single person

Wow, and she died in only 1962. So it feels like weirdly I know far away. I Am like so fascinated M. I'm so glad that you discovered this information I am like so fascinated, Em. I'm so glad that you discovered this information. Anyway, if I'm ever going to this hotel, if I'm ever at the Irma, I am getting Caroline Lockhart's room. Yeah, you got it. No questions asked.

You got it, you got it, you got it, you got it. If I didn't get that room, I would just cancel my whole reservation. I'm so... That's the only time Em ever gets like, what do you call it? Like, um, A-list like snotty, like cancel the whole thing.

Do you know who I am? I am Caroline Lockhart's biggest fan. Put me in her room. I am Caroline Lockhart's boyfriend. I'm Pinkie Kiss. I'm Pinkie. Anyway, that's the Irma Hotel. Wow, and that was quite a story.

I'm still reeling a little bit from that. I feel like that could have been half the length, but between my deep dive, deep-ish dive on Buffalo Bill and Caroline, I literally, there was one website that kind of had like some of the meat and potatoes of Caroline Lockhart, and then I just kept looking up more things about her. I couldn't stop.

Of course. I was up until the wee hours just learning more and more about her. Did you have weird dreams? Hmm. I know, but I kind of, I wish I summoned some of those. There's still time.

I fortunately know. Yeah, there's still time. Wow, what a story, Em. Thank you for sharing with me. And now I'd like to go there. So, let's do it. I now I'd like to go there. So let's do it. I guess we'll have to go at different times so we can both stay in Caroline's locker room.

Or if you'll let me, I'll stay with you. But I could imagine us going ghost hunting just in Caroline's room. We just bring her like a grizzly bear as a gift. You know? Yeah. You know how you can just bring one. Yeah, I think or at least at least watch her own movies in her room. That'd be fun. Yeah, that know how you can just bring one. Yeah, I think, or at least watch her own movies in her room. That'd be fun.

Yeah, that would be fun. All right, so this is the story of Heather Teague. And I want to say this is not a local story, it's a Kentucky story, but it's the far reaches of Kentucky. So we're going back to the 1990s. So it's August 24th, 1995 in a town called Spotsville, Kentucky, which made me think of your Spotsylvania. Sorry, what's it called again?

Spotsville. Spotsville. Okay, that's who I think, oh no, Spotswood is who we're named after, nevermind. Spotsville is part of Webster County, which is all the way on the Western side of Kentucky and borders Indiana. So not quite in my neck of the woods.

So we're talking about Heather Teague today. She was at her mom's house. I think sources say she was living with her dad at the time, but was stopping by at her mom's house. And her mom woke up, saw her in the house, said hi to her. She was sleeping on the couch and her mom said, oh, you know what, I'm gonna go and get you some groceries. She went to the store and bought her, literally it's so funny,

because the mom, her name's Sarah, and she's like a huge character in this. And when she was interviewed for the documentary I watched, she was like, I went and bought some grapes and a sausage pizza. I was like, wow, this is all very detailed, but I love it. I need the details.

So. But I feel like she was kind of like one of us where it's like, I'm going to have my alibi fucking ready. Don't even worry about it. It's not quite so much the alibi part. It's more just, I think that she remembers the day very vividly, if that makes sense. Yikes.

Yes. So Sarah goes and buys some, she says, I remember it, clear as day, bought some grapes and a sausage pizza. And she said, Heather loved sausage pizza, but would pick the sausages off. So I was like, that's very charming and sweet. All right, she's liked it in the sauce, sausage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she watched out the window as Heather left the house, not realizing she would never see her daughter again. Now to clarify, which I realize I haven't even said yet, Heather is in her early 20s at this point. She is a young woman, she's very well liked in town. She was junior Miss 1990 runner, sorry, first runner up, junior Miss 1990.

And they have these like home videos of her in the Kentucky. I mean, think about like a pageant, right, from the 90s, like a beauty pageant. Then think about a beauty pageant in Western Kentucky in the 1990s, and boy howdy, did I have a fun time watching that. I can't imagine, just like debutante galore. Delightful, and like the sleeves,

I mean, the sleeves alone could overtake the world, I think, I think. Oh, and then the polka dots, so many polka dots, man. I was like, this is such a little trip in time. There's gotta be a headpiece at some point. For sure, some head pieces for sure. And so it was just killing me that they have this footage, but she looked just so happy, friendly, bubbly.

She was a little bit shy, but she was just one of those people where everybody adored her. She was homecoming queen, even though she was a little bit more reserved, and she had plans to go to Western Kentucky University and become a psychologist. So she started college around 18, and she didn't realize how much of a challenge college would be for her. She fell into kind of a not so great crowd, started skipping school, partying, and fell into drugs for a bit. And because of that, she dropped out of school and moved home and couldn't really figure out what to do. So she found kind of a menial job at a factory.

And her boyfriend at the time has been interviewed and he said basically she was just so sad and lost because she had these big plans to go to college, study psychology, and then, you know, before you know it, she's made a few decisions and is back home working this job in like no future insight that she had hoped for. So she really was struggling at this point. And we're now fast forward to August 26, 1995. This, to be clear, is two days after she left her mom's house,

which is why I specified, and so she's in her early 20s at this point, I specify this because the event I'm about to share with you happened two days later after she left her mom's. And that's why I said that she lived with her dad because to clarify why her mom never saw her again, it wasn't like she vanished that day and she just went off and her mom didn't realize she'd never get a chance to see her again. Yeah. So we're on August 26th, 1995. This is two days later and we're at Newburgh Beach. And in the documentary, which I'll mention a few times, it's on Paramount Plus, or it's a documentary, I'm sorry.

It's an episode and it's called Never Seen Again is the name of the series, but it's on Paramount Plus. And the quote about Newburgh Beach was, "'The first thing you need to know is that Newburgh Beach isn't in Newburgh.'" And I was like, oh, that's the first thing? That's the first thing that you need to know. You have very little news if that's what I need to know.

And by the way, there was like no other things to know. It was just like the one and only thing you need to know is that it's not in Newburgh. Okay, thank you. Thank you for that. Now we know Sure, it is apparently in on the Henderson County, Kentucky side. It's so silly. Okay. It's just basically a state border So on the one side is Newburgh, Indiana On the other side is the beach in Kentucky like on the banks of the river. Sure Okay, they call it Newburgh Beach even though Newburgh is across the river

Even though apparently a lot of people are fucking fuming about it. Apparently people will never let it die, never let it live it down. They're like, she doesn't even go here, it's just a beach. The beach doesn't even go here. Yeah, so Newburgh, Indiana is across

and that comes into play when people call authorities and state lines get involved, if that makes sense, like state police versus another state's police. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I kind of, I don't, is there a word for it? I just mean, so what I'm saying is it's relevant because when people call the authorities, it's like, oh, that's not my jurisdiction. It's someone else's, you know, because of the state differences.

So yeah, it is. Well, I'm just going to ask you, is there a word for that? Because I've never really known how to or saying like, oh, well, that's not in my like, I feel like that would be there'd be a name for that of I don't know. I guess I don't know what I'm really saying. But yes, I've seen law and Order and they say it all the time or it's like oh well they're like oh well that happened in Jersey it didn't happen in New York so we can't do anything about it. Yeah it doesn't matter yeah so this beach that's not in Newburgh but is called Newburgh is an active beach and river they're outdoor activities people like to take their four

wheelers here they go boating, sunbathing, et cetera. And so there's this guy, and his name is Tim Walphall. And he is at home around lunchtime on this date, August 26, 95. And his wife is preparing his meal, and he decides to sit down and do what you do, take a look through his telescope, and see what he could see at the beach that day. So he was friends with Buffalo Bill and car people. Got it. Yeah, exactly. He's like such a dad. He has his little telescope set up and you know, I don't want to slander this person. I don't know what he was looking for, but you know,

this is a beach where people are sunbathing and stuff. So I'm like, was he like bird watching, you know, as I say, or was he like actually just doing what my actual stepdad would do, which is like, let me see what kind of boats are on the river today, you know? It's like, I don't know what kind of dad he was if he was kind of a pervy dad or like a not pervy dad. I don't know. He could have just wanted to look and skulk

that people were calling it Newberg, you know? Oh my God, you're right. It was all part of his petition to change the name. Yeah. I don't know, couldn't be anything. Yeah. So I don't know, could be anything. Yeah. So I don't know what he was hoping to see or what he usually saw,

but today he just happened to see a little more than he bargained for because he's looking through the telescope and he's looking at the beach and he sees this young woman and she's sunbathing on her stomach and she's topless. And so, you know, for whatever reason, he lingers on this site for a few moments.

And he's watching this woman laying on her stomach. And then he realizes, oh, hang on, she's not alone. There's a man approaching rapidly. Oh shit, he is like witnessing it in real time. Oh fuck. He is witnessing it in real time. Which is why my guess is maybe he was like eyeing her for a while.

Cause like the odds of just, I mean, maybe he just so happened to glance at her and this happened, but it seems like maybe you're watching for a little bit if you happen to catch this event. But either way, he's watching and he realizes this woman is not alone. All of a sudden there is this man racing toward her and he's approaching rapidly.

He, this woman can't see anything and this guy can't do anything because he's so far away. So he does nothing, but he can do nothing but watch. It happened and unfold in shock. He watches as this man rushes toward the young woman who's none the wiser. And at first he's like, oh, hopefully it's just like a friend or a boyfriend or something.

But as the man gets closer, it's very clear that he is not someone friendly to this woman. Mm-hmm. I could see like you're like watching a guy creep up on somebody, you're like, oh, it's like obviously her friend, he's gonna like jump scare her. He's gonna just like dump sand on her or something or like spray her with water. Yeah. And that's what of course he's hoping. But then really quickly he realizes, no, when the man grabs the woman by the hair and yanks her up with a gun to her head. Oh, shit, okay.

So Tim at this point freezes. He is completely shocked by what he's seeing. He watches as this man with a gun drags the woman by her hair into the woods and then they're gone. Don't even know what to do. Holy shit. I wouldn't even know. Holy shit. Well, I'll tell you, you call 911 is what what to do. Holy shit. I wouldn't even know.

Holy shit. Well, I'll tell you, you call 911 is what you should do. So he does do that. He calls 911, but he's in Indiana and he watched it take place on the beach in Kentucky. So he tells Indiana police and they hang up and 25 minutes go by and he's keeping an eye on his telescope, like, are the police coming or not?

And nothing happens because apparently that is not their jurisdiction, right? It's Kentucky. And as he's watching through the telescope, her stuff is still laying there on the beach. Like it's completely untouched. And he's just, I feel like you'd almost be second guessing yourself.

Like, did I even just see that? Like it just feels so outrageous. And so after 25 minutes and he's antsy and he's nervous and he's like, what more can I do? So he decides to call Kentucky authorities, even though his call was routed to Indiana 911 because that's where he's located. So he decides to call Kentucky authorities and he tells the whole story again. And this time a Kentucky state police trooper is dispatched. And as they're looking around the area, they find this woman's bikini bottoms and towel in the woods. And there is a sign of a struggle.

Turns out Tim on his telescope also was not the only witness because a local farmer hired by a guy named Jim Boy Allen, which really does sound like an Irma hotel suite. This is the Irma room, this is the Jim Boy Allen, which really does sound like an Irma hotel suite. This is the Irma room, this is the Jim Boy Allen room. He sounds like he was friends with Pinky Guest. He sure does. So this local farmer had hired Jim Boy Allen to shoot a video of any cars driving through

because he was getting mad, this farmer was getting mad that people were trampling his crops and like driving through his land to get to the beach, all these youngins, you know, like ruining my livelihood. So he hires this Jim Boy Allen to take like a handy cam, like a camcorder and film which cars were driving past, so they could like write it down and I don't know,

come after him, however you do. So they go through his fucking footage and they find footage of not only Heather's car near where she was sunbathing, but also this red Bronco with a man speeding away in the driver's seat. So this show that I mentioned earlier, Never Seen Again on Paramount+,

it appears to be only a couple of years old. It's basically just like any other, I mean, I don't mean this in a bad way,. It's basically just like any other, I mean, I don't mean this in a bad way, but it's basically just like any of the other like investigation discovery, you know, shows or things where it's kind of like- We've seen it before. You've seen the story, right?

You've seen the talking head interviews and stuff. And the reason I kind of liked the way they did it though is that they went by theory. So they were like theory one. And I thought, oh, that's kind of a unique take, right? So the first theory is it's a local predator. Also, I want to clarify, cause I don't think I've even said it yet

that that was Heather Teague to be clear. Yes. Very quickly people saw her car. They knew that she was the one who had been taken from the beach. They called her mom. She came straight over and they could find nothing but her had been taken from the beach. They called her mom, she came straight over and they could find nothing

but her bikini bottoms and the towel. Her mom confirmed, yes, that's hers. And after that, essentially, they had no more clues. So we go straight into the theories. The first theory is that it is a local guy who's known to be a predator. So based on what Tim saw through his telescope, and this becomes a very contentious point,

based on what Tim sees through his telescope, they create a composite sketch of the man who had abducted Heather. It's a white male, average build, bushy hair with a pot belly. And interestingly, as they were simultaneously researching It's a white male, average build, bushy hair with a pot belly. And interestingly, as they were simultaneously researching this red bronco they saw in the footage, they found this guy named Marvin Ray, also known as Marty Dill.

And wouldn't you know it, he owns this red bronco and he looks an awful lot like the composite sketch. So I'm going to send you a picture of the two. So I just fair warning, I have several of these where I'm going to show you the composite sketch. So I'm gonna send you a picture of the two. So I, just fair warning, I have several of these where I'm gonna show you the composite sketch next to somebody. So even though, cause my first reaction is, oh my God, it does look like him.

But then like the third time you're like, okay, they all seem to look like the picture, if that makes sense. Yes, that makes sense. So here's a picture. This is Marty Dill on the right. That's his mugshot. And then that is the composite sketch on the left.

Okay. Do you see it? Mm-hmm, yes. What are your thoughts? Or are you not sharing your, you don't wanna get any theories out yet. I see why people think they look similar, but it's just shaggy beard, shaggy hair.

Shaggy beard, curly hair, yeah. And so this guy has a record and he's known to police. And so they release these photos, this composite sketch and the bug shot to the public. And they also release information about the red Ford Bronco. Now, not long after this, and I will say too, I didn't realize what his record entailed,

like what contained, but I listened to Crime Junkie cover this. And apparently one of the crimes he had committed was he had been harassing this woman and calling her and saying, like, can I talk to your husband? And he had just died. Like, so the guy, like just, this Marty Dill just kept calling her and saying like, can I speak to your husband and he had just died. Like, so the guy like just,

this Marty Dill just kept calling her and saying like, can I speak to your dead husband? Like over and over and just harassed the shit out of her. And so just some weird, weird stuff that this guy did. Like a dehumanizing or degrading. Like degrading a little bit like pervy. Like he would kind of just harass people, women he didn't know, you know,

just very like bizarre calls into your character, that kind of thing. And so they post this stuff publicly and they post about his Redford Bronco. And not long after police received an anonymous call about Marty saying he'd been acting very strangely. And the police were like, oh really, tell us what he's been up to.

And apparently when Marty Dill had found out that the police had stopped by and were looking into him, he screamed at his wife and everyone in the house to get out. He wanted them to be out of there, wanted nothing to do with this, didn't wanna talk about it. And so the police get this call,

like he's acting really like defensive and strange and they get a search warrant. Problematically his lawyer had actually reached out to police and said, please do not, do not, I repeat, do not go to this guy's house because if you just show up, he is going to die by suicide. Oh, wow, okay. The lawyer was like, I know him very well. I know his intentions. If you just come hot at him like that, he's going to die.

And police put that aside. They show up. They actually send a friend of his in to talk to him. And the friend, they hear a gunshot, the friend comes running out and says, Marty's dead. Oh, shit. So either he was hiding something, he didn't want to go back to jail for other unrelated charges,

but now that becomes literally a dead end. This one, this one lead. Even if, so yeah, even if he did, I will just never know. Yeah, it's, unless there's some other very clear clue pointing to him, yeah, it's more just conjecture now. So they were sure that this was their guy, right? And he dies, he shoots himself and they're like, oh, well, you know, he's guilty, obviously, case closed.

First of all, they don't even know where the hell Heather is, right? Like question number one, where the hell is Heather? And disturbingly, soon after this kind of showdown, Heather's mom started getting some information from people that made her second guess this theory. And the information, which by the way, police knew when they had stopped by the first time and he wasn't home,

they talked to his wife and she said, oh no, Marty, he's bald. Oh, okay. This photo was like 15 years old or something. Like it was like an old ass photo. And now he's completely bald or at least had shaved his head. He didn't have the hair. And multiple people confirmed that within, since at least had shaved his head. He didn't have the hair.

And multiple people confirmed that within, ever since he got out of prison, he has not had long curly hair, nothing shaggy, no shaggy, weird, clean shaven. So it couldn't be him either way. So they're thinking, so well, so police are like case closed, and Sarah, Heather's mom is like, wait a minute,

I'm getting intel from several reliable sources saying he didn't have scraggly hair. So she's like, hang on, this doesn't add up. Like this does not sound like you got the guy and case closed. So she is getting a little bit antsy and now not only is her daughter not home, but she thinks that she can't even trust

that they found the guy who took her. So now we get into theory two. And most people believe, which I tend to as well, not knowing as much as actual investigators on this obviously, but most people believe that Heather was targeted and not just a random girl on the beach that somebody attacked. Like most people believe something happened

or she was involved in something or knew some shady characters that targeted her intentionally that it wasn't just a random act of violence. So there was this drug ring crime syndicate throughout the area that she could have been caught up in. And we kind of know that she had gotten caught up in drugs during her college, brief college stint.

And so it's not far fetched to think maybe she had some connections in a crime ring or group that got her into hot water. However, the flip side of that is that when Sarah finally got the documents from the FBI, she's been submitting for decades now, she's been submitting FOIA requests to access all the paperwork. When she finally got the heavily redacted FBI paperwork, she saw, which she was crying as she said this because it hurt her so badly. The paperwork from the FBI said that the abduction was probably strongly related to drug use strip clubs and quote prostitution and When her mom got this like decades later, she's like you're fucking kidding me, right? Like yeah that first of all very

Very likely to be untrue. Right very second of all victim blaming and like so what right and it's like Yeah, third of all so dismissive of like what the fuck is? Right, and it's like, okay, yeah. Third of all, so dismissive of like, what the fuck is actually going on? Exactly, and like, if that actually played into it, then like, how, why, tell us more. Like, you know, it's just weird to say that and then be like, anyway, we don't know. It's like, well then, you can't claim that that's the reason

if you don't even know who did it, you know? It's just so weird, so weird. And it like really hurt her deeply. And so even though she was into some like shadier quote unquote circles or like crime rings, so what? Like even if she was, that doesn't mean like, you just fucking dismiss it as like,

man, probably prostitution. Why are we not on the case because someone you deem as like not enough is the one who got attacked. Is like labeled in some way as the victim, exactly. And so just a little bit, all over the place. And when investigators zoomed in on the Bronco, so now they're looking into this as like

she's been targeted by somebody, right? So they zoom in on the footage of the Bronco and they can confirm, wait a minute, the guy driving this Bronco, which belongs to Marty, is bald in the footage. So they're like, wait, so he was there. Oh my God, so, okay. Isn't that, it's like so trippy.

I hate this. It's so trippy. Okay, so now is he back in as a suspect, even though he's dead now, right? Well no, so the police are convinced it's him. Like the police are like, it's him for sure, case closed. And as they're kind of like trying to close the, whatever you call it, like tie up the loose ends,

so to speak, they look into the footage and they're like, wait, so that guy in the car, in the truck, yes, is Marty. And he is bald, just like everyone's saying. So that really was Marty driving at the beach that day. But obviously then what about the guy Tim saw on the telescope with bushy hair and scraggly beard? Like we're just totally ignoring that fucking guy. It's just so weird.

So people were like, we don't know what to make of this. Like perhaps there was an accomplice, like maybe Marty was driving and he had an accomplice who got involved and he was just the getaway driver. You know, who knows? And maybe that's why he ended his own life because he knew he was being cornered and he'd been caught. Oh, that feels like such like a really long winded

complicated version of this where like it could just be one guy. Wait, what? What do you mean? Like, are you saying that it feels like they could have been in cahoots with each other and it was actually two bad people and one that was- Yeah, that's what they're trying to figure out is like

if Marty was actually driving that day, but then Tim saw somebody different on the telescope, like maybe there were two guys, like maybe he had an accomplice. I feel like that's, I feel like that's over complicating things. I feel like that's over-complicating things. I feel like it's a coincidence that that guy was driving, and I think this other guy was like a standalone person. Interesting.

That you think that Marty Dill just happened to be there? Yeah, I think he just happened to be there. I have no evidence for that, but I feel like there's... I feel like for some reason, maybe they were in cahoots and one person's over here and one person's over. I feel like that's too much. I feel like There I feel like this one guy is just getting away with it and we're blaming it on someone who else Well interesting, okay, so hold that thought because like to be clear it's pretty obvious No, it's pretty obvious. We don't know what happened. So, you know, just to hold that thought, like if that's your theory.

And so one of their thoughts was maybe, you know, if there is an accomplice, like he could be in the back holding her down while Marty drove, who knows. And then theory three, which kind of, it goes back to what you were just saying, is the theory that this was a serial killer. Now it sounds far-fetched because like,

it just, it sounds far-fetched. It sounds like, okay. It always sounds far-fetched. Right, that it's a serial killer. Like it sounds, but hear me out. So July of 2002 in Medina, Ohio, police called the investigators on the Heather Teague case. They were investigating a killer named Christopher Beelow

and they were investigating him for the murder of his ex-girlfriend, Kathy Fetzer. And this police officer had tracked the guy down to Evansville, Indiana area. And that's why he was calling and saying, hey, can you keep an eye on this guy? He's in your neck of the woods and we're looking at him as the murderer of this young woman.

So he calls just to give the police a heads up and they're like, oh, can you tell us more about this guy? And he says, yeah, we are keeping an eye on him for the murder of, or we're trying to pin him for the murder of Kathy Fetzer. We've never been able to find her body. But as we followed him around in his past, Christopher Bielow, we found a suspicious pattern

of missing women cropping up anywhere he spent a lengthy period of time. So including, I think there were five, five missing women that they were. That's not just a pattern anymore. No, that's like very onto something. So this included St. Cloud, Florida, Hilton Head Island, like all over the place. And so they said, hey, on the off chance, any young women in your area go missing recently?

And like they're basically asking just to be like, well, we have to ask. And they're like, yeah, there was. It's like, that's why we're on the phone with you almost sexually. Literally, exactly, exactly. And so they're like, oh shit, like maybe these are connected, obviously. So he looks at the photo of Catherine,

this is the police who were on the Heather T case. They sent over a photo of Catherine who they're trying to find and trying to solve her murder or her disappearance at least. And he looks at the photo of Catherine and goes, holy shit, this could be Heather's sister. Like they look so similar. They're both under five.

So now he's got a type. Exactly. They're both five foot to five, two inches, like very short, petite, very dark, long hair. And so that pattern fit all of the people that had gone missing, all the women that had gone missing on his little travel spree. And therefore they're thinking,

well, clearly this is his victim type, you know? And that made it more alarming, like maybe Heather was involved in this somehow. And what's more, they could confirm he was living in the area during the time of the abduction. So it's looking a lot like this guy. I feel like it's kind of amazing this whole story is only coming together because of a lot like this guy. I feel like it's kind of amazing. This whole story is only coming together

because of a lot of happenstance. Yeah. Like how lucky, how lucky is she? Yuck. But to have been just been looked at through a telescope at the right fucking moment for someone to ID her. And like, what are the odds? It's that the other town's police station

is the one who called them and gave them the lead of this new person. Like, it's just weird that it's, if none of these things happened, then she would just be a missing person and they don't know her. However, devil's advocate, she is still just a missing person

and there are no answers, as I said, that's still unsolved. So even though all this- I keep thinking you're gonna have an answer at the end. Did happen. There's really, I mean, and I will also add that Sarah, Heather's mom believes some of those like big pieces, like just complicated the search and added inaccuracies or added, like she does not believe that this call from Tim had, she thinks

that call like completely derailed the investigation. Oh, okay. But I will also say she's gone up and down through this roller coasters decades. So, you know, take everything with a grain of salt, but she does not believe that it sort of happened the way that police tried to make it happen. They think, she thinks they were kind of like what you said. She thinks they were trying to maybe pin it on this guy, Marty. But she, she's also, she's, we'll get to it. We'll get to it.

But I'm going to send you a photo now of the sketch, the composite sketch next to Christopher Belo, this suspected serial killer guy. Okay. He looks less like the guy than the first guy. Yeah, I think so, but I can still see it. Like the nose and the eyebrows, I don't know, something about it. I think if his hair was like shorter and like more frayed or something, like his, the hair on his head is throwing me off,

but the rest of him does look like the composite sketch. I agree with you. And like I said, he is big time trouble, right? Because the FBI is now involved. He suspected in the disappearance of five women. He lived in the area. She fit his victim profile and the composite sketch fits. And I want to add one more picture, M, because if that one didn't shock you, this one might. Oh, God.

This is another picture of his, this is like a whole body comparison of his actual self. Oh damn, that's pretty spot on then. The sketch, is that not freaky? Yeah, so from his neck to his belly button, they are identical. Yeah, and he had a limp and like that matched the description. He also had this genetic thing where his thumbs turned

inward and that was reflected in the drawing. It's like very, very, but then, you know, people argue like, well, maybe they were influenced to, who knows, but it is a very like unsettling, uncanny likeness. It's weird. It is weird. It's weird.

So we'll share all this on socials as well, if anybody wants to see specifically. So now, police are like, well, shit, Christopher Bielo is on our radar. We gotta check into this guy because he very well could have had something to do with this. And hey, wouldn't you know it, Amethy? Tell me.

Christopher Bielo and remember Marty Dillon, the red bronco? Are they friends? They've been friends since grade school. That's why I said hold that thought because you could be right, but there's also more to it. But also I don't think I'm right anymore. I don't know. And it's like, who the fuck knows?

I mean, people have also said Marty was very mentally unstable and mentally ill and just didn't want to go back to prison. And that's why he used the gun. So it's like, you know, it's... Or he could have known what his friend was up to and like had information, you know? Or that. And anyway, there's no way to know. It's just really frustrating. So the theory is that perhaps Belo stalked Heather. This one theory is that Belo stalked Heather, went down to the beach, violently abducted her, Marty was waiting in the Bronco, and they kind of jumped in the back and drove off. And, um, his exes, this Christopher Bello, when they interviewed people who knew him,

basically any woman he had been with said he was a very sexually violent man. So, even on top of, like, of course, these horrible crimes, like, abducting women, um, the-the sexual violence aspect of it also seemed horrible crimes, like abducting women. The sexual violence aspect of it also seemed to fit that she was abducted and they found her, you know, bathing suit in the woods. And so unfortunately, they actually never found Kathy Fetzer's body,

the Medina police were looking for. But in 2004, Bello pleaded guilty to attempted involuntary manslaughter in her disappearance. And there's some weird shit, like the detective who interviewed him during interrogations said on the Paramount Plus show, he basically said that Bilo was saying all this very shady shit like, I doubt there's much left to find if you do find her. And apparently he also said, if I told you what I did with her body,

you'd think I was a horrible person. Like weird commentary like that. But then sometimes I'm like, I don't know. Sometimes creeps just talk like that to, I don't know. It doesn't prove anything, right? But it's not a good look. So he's actually never been charged in the disappearances of the other women

that he's accused of, or suspected of, abducting and killing. And so even though he's like this potential serial killer, it's all alleged because he's not been tried with the other cases. Just the girlfriend and it was only manslaughter, which makes me very sad. What's your take, do you think think that even if he hasn't been officially

tried, do you feel like this is the right answer? Oh, for, for, for this story, particularly, I don't know, I'm like so mixed up. I don't know. I mean, I don't, I think it's, do you think so? That's like my gut too. And I think I got thrown just because I listened to several podcasts about it, watched several shows. And I felt like it's such a convoluted case because, well, it's obvious, like convoluted in that,

like just weird events, like you said, like a guy just happened to look through a telescope and like there just happened to be two people who looked identical to the sketch. Just then that guy just happened to be bald and just weird stuff that keeps cropping up, that is throwing me for a loop every time where I go, that's for sure him. And then they're like, but it couldn't be. It's very frustrating. And then of course, you know, I want to respect Sarah, but also part of me is like, you know,

she doesn't know, you know, what happened either. So it's very frustrating. It's very frustrating. I can only imagine what it's like to actually be involved, but the story itself is very frustrating. So this month, August, 2024 marks 29 years since Heather's disappearance and her mother still has Zippo, like just no answers.

I know you said that we didn't get an answer at the end of this, but I still keep not believing you. It's because like, once you hear so much information, you're like, oh, well surely this led to something and then to hear like nothing. It's like, how could it be? And I will say there's a lot still kind of happening. Like Sarah is still actively working the case.

She apparently has worked it harder than anybody else, which is understandable being the mother, and trying to find answers and saying, I gotta do this myself if I can't get answers any other way. And so despite the detectives urging that it was Christopher Bielow and Marty Dill, she believes either she she said a few things and I don't wanna put words in her mouth

because I've heard this from different sources. Like on Crime Junkie, they mentioned that Sarah believed that or had said she believed that the 911 call that Tim called in was faked. But then she also said she didn't trust or like trust his account of what he saw in the telescope too, right? So I kind of hinted at that, but basically what I meant when I sort of hinted at that was that she doesn't even think the call is real.

Oh, she thinks the whole thing was just not even true. And I also don't want to just blatantly say that. That's my understanding of what she thinks. And it feels like a lot of telephone, you know? Like I don't want to say she thinks this, that. From what I heard, it seems like she thinks there was some shady shit going on on the investigator side. And there's a lot of drama, a lot of drama with her,

with the court system, with police department. There's a lot going on there. And I don't know enough to like make a judgment call. But she, you know, it is her, also her right to hope that her daughter's still alive. And so she hopes, you know, if Marty and Christopher Below didn't kill her and perhaps something else happened, perhaps she was human trafficked,

she just wants people to know like, kill her and perhaps something else happened. Perhaps she was human trafficked. She just wants people to know, like, I don't care. If something did happen to her and she was taken somewhere else and is still alive, it just always breaks my heart when people at the end of every one of these shows have to leave a message, like in case you happen to see this. Yeah.

Like she basically said, if you somehow, on the off chance you see this, I don't give a shit where you've been, what you've been doing, I just want to hold you again. And it was like, fuck my life. Just to watch that, and you know she has to say that every show she does, every appearance, every interview, just to hold out hope.

Yeah, a constant, I don't know, just feeling like you're in to a constant dead end and having a constantly... And the pain is like just brought up over and over, but you do it because you're like, maybe this time I'll get something, you know, find something out. It's amazing how much hope a person can have. I know, I know. And then, yeah, yeah, I agree.

And it can also be so debilitating, right? Because she's almost like paralyzed. Like she just wants to know because otherwise you're sort of stuck. Like not knowing where to turn. Well, I mean to live without any closure for like, what'd you say? Like 30 years, 20 years now? 29, yeah.

That's wild. She said, so this episode came out and it was 26 and a half years when the episode came out. And she said, that's longer than I had her. And it's like, oh my God, that's so sad. It's so fucking tragic. And so she hopes against hope, she knows it's a slim chance, but she hopes against hope her daughter is still alive. But if not, she would also of course want closure, want answers, be able to lay her

to rest properly, give her a proper send off. And through Tear, this part also got me and I think it'll get you too. Like I feel like sometimes I tell like a little side story that makes it so much more human and relatable and grounded. But she says, she started crying. She basically said, every time I get a phone call from an unknown number and I answer if there's a beat of silence, like before she said, it's usually social security or a telemarketer. She says she always answers. And if there's a beat of silence. Like before she said it's usually social security or a telemarketer. She says she always answers. And if there's that like beat before the recording starts,

she's like, I can't even stop myself. I hear myself go, Heather. And then it's inevitably social security, some scam, telemarketers, what have you. But she said every time she just has that like hope, that like tiny flicker of hope. And interestingly, I just happened to look into this case because I was looking up a bunch of Kentucky cases

and I found this one. And incidentally, five days ago, a headline was released in the Courier Press that read Heather Teague's mother sues Kentucky State Police and FBI for civil rights violations. And so this is a very developing story. Within the last week as we record this, she's suing for $29 million, claiming that the state police of Kentucky and the FBI mishandled the investigation into Heather's disappearance. I will say it's also not the first lawsuit

she's put forward. There have been several that have been dismissed or like... Throughout the years, I imagine you've got a lot of information you have to weave through and find... Yeah, exactly. And so that's kind of what's been happening. And so the newest update is that as of, I think now six days ago, that she's suing for 29 million. And this is the article itself in the Courier Press said, she said, the lawsuit

comes after law enforcement spent almost three decades ignoring evidence she's collected that goes against the narrative investigators settled on from the beginning, that a man named Marvin Ray Marty Dill appeared from a line of trees along the beach and hauled the sunbathing Heather away. On top of the damages, she wants explanations and accountability. I have a piece that I've presented all I need to." She said, it's their turn now to explain to me why they've done this. So she really is hoping she can get some clarity. She also, I will add to, I think part of the complication is that she's made some accusations that police are not thrilled with. Like she said with the 911 call, she was able to listen to it years ago.

Then a few years later, they let her listen to it again. And she claimed it was a different recording. And so everyone said, well, holy shit, like, you know, maybe they forged it. Maybe they made it up. But then- Or maybe like she's, oh, what? Ashley from Crime Junkie made a good point

that like he probably made, he made two different calls. He called Indiana and he called Kentucky. Oh, right. So he told the story twice over the phone. So like it could be that she's just hearing two versions of him telling the same story because she's never clarified why they sounded different. It just sounded different.

So, or it could be for example, like somebody playing a recording on a CD versus like a tape recorder, you know, or it could be, for example, like somebody playing a recording on a CD versus like a tape recorder, you know, or who knows, but she's made some claims that have like caused upset. There's been a lot of like conflict between her and the police and trying to get information and get to the bottom of things. She's claimed that like the police are framing Margie because you know, it's kind of an easy get like sort of what you said and that's what we know which isn't a whole lot and it's really

tragic and frustrating and you know I'm hoping that Sarah like through this poor case or through some other means is able to like finally get the closure. We can hope, you know, it happens. So that's what that's what I hope, but that is a story of Heather Teague and like like I said I didn't know about this lawsuit until I was researching it and now I'm like man maybe I should have waited to see like what comes of it but I'll keep an eye on it either way as the lawsuit progresses. But in the meantime if you do have any information her name is Heather Danielle Teague her date of birth April 25th 1972 she's been missing since August 26 1995 if you have any information you can call 270836 7643 or visit find Heather Teague calm and that's the story

you know I Someone just asked us recently, what my favorite stories that you cover are, and I feel like, um, usually I would say the unsolved mysteries, because I like to dip my toe into that and see, like, but I, I always get frustrated at the end when I realize that I'm actually not going to crack the case. Right? It's like, how come? Weren't they just waiting for us? Right. Yeah. Yeah.

I this is very frustrating, though, because I feel like of the theories you put forward, each of them were believable. Yeah, they really were. I don't I I feel like sometimes there's like an out one outlandish one. I'm like, OK, but aliens. Yeah, there you go. That's the alienish ones. Man, yeah, I already said it, but it really is amazing how much hope a person can have just waiting. Just there. I don't know if it's even hope or just desperation for closure. Like, it's just because I'd have both.

I think it's both. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Do you? How how did you hear about this one? I was just researching Kentucky stories because search is out for a little bit. So I was like, oh, back on my research game and I forgot what I Googled usually. So I was like, crimes in Kentucky? I don't know.

I was like, man, it's been a while since I've had to like pull a topic from thin air, you know? Yeah, yeah. No, that's what I did with mine. I was like, what's a state I'd never ever cover? Yeah, that's smart. I like, what's my state? I can't do that with LA. There's too many. I think I've really covered the main ones anyway too, like Cecil But no that was I mean well done on your on your research since this was You it was really chaotic. I felt it happening. I was like, oh by the way, did I say it was Heather? Like I'm I knew I was all over the place. I apologize Things have been a

You know a little bit of upheaval behind the scenes, not in a bad way, folks, with us, but just a lot happening, a lot of moving parts. Everything's kind of happening. It feels like when it rains, it pours. Everything's happening at once. And so we're trying to- Everything comes in threes, and I think we've hit our three,

so I think we're good now. I think we've hit 33. Anyway, so we've been doing our own research for a second. And but anyway, it gave me the ability to find Caroline Lockhart. So there you go. And honestly, you're better for it, I would say, with that new discovery of your soulmate. So 1000%. Okay, cool. Well, next time you hear from us, Next time you hear from us, we'll be coming up on our tour. So please go and buy tickets. Thank you so much. Especially if you are in the New Jersey area,

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