Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Chael Sonnen Exposes WWE’s Vince McMahon, Conor McGregor’s Legacy, & Anderson Silva Revenge

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

YERRR, we had to get the American Gangster himself on the pod to get hot takes about WWE's downfall, MMA's uprising, why Biden will win the US Presidential election, McGregor's headspace and much much more. INDULGE 00:00 Intro 00:59 We love the Worm Man + Lee Harvey Oswald had a great shot 4:36 Do you believe in aliens? 5:50 Fight v Anderson Silva was private + big pay day? 10:09 Don’t random test me + Silva saga finally over? 12:26 McGregor needs a win + Pacquiao owes $8m 16:31 Conor is simply a superstar 22:30 Andrew is vegan + bulking up has downsides 25:36 Chael’s wife is still so hot + family attending the fight 29:39 Ryan Garcia = unpredictable, Chinese steroids + Olympics 39:16 Deontay did DMT + Did Ryan Garcia really pop? 44:51 Usyk can bang, Fury’s tarnished legacy? Size is a disadvantage 51:21 Why are the judges so blind? Incentivising better performances 57:20 Stealing our jokes is infuriating + Chael used Aziz’s bit 1:02:17 Who does Chael hate? 1:05:56 Dana lets people TALK + incentivising the right fights 1:07:52 Trump/Dana ticket would dominate + Trump really supports 1:11:19 Chael’s safer boxing, most painful moment + UFC “brutality” 1:18:52 Insane Eastern European MMA + Chyna boxing 1:25:55 Vince McMahon is wrestling P Diddy? 1:31:22 Vince is the greatest heel + being a cool heel 1:39:47 WWE wrestlers have to create themselves 1:42:21 Vince ran Trump’s 2016 campaign + Chael considering WWE? 1:51:44 No-one stepping up for Brock Lesnar 1:58:50 Pooing on girl, WILD WWE culture + Triple H’s reign 2:10:55 Randy Orton is cool, GOAT Wrestler + paying for PPV 2:17:15 People asking to come on Flagrant + Vivek & RFK 2:21:58 Trump’s running mate + Biden will win 2:31:08 Media ready to bury 45 + G. Newsom is the best politician

I mean when Vince got Me Too out of the business, I did think it was a surprise But as good as he is, I would not completely count that he couldn't come back When the men start coming out, it will be a different story Wait, wait, he used to bang dudes a lot? Oh yeah But he would hold their careers over Just like he would the women It was the same thing, you get paid more, you get pushed more

This is not a secret in the industry There is a lot of homosexuals that Vince came across But there was also straight guys that just wanted to push in the business Where it like turned into prostitution That was very well known If your events who are you choosing? Hmm? I'm trying to how to think of it without sounding gay I don't like my stereo so you don't have to see his face Connors needs a win to prove that he deserves another fight and he could sell and he could still be a top draw

I don't know for how long without winning you could do that but my point is i mean connor really is fighting for a lot like possibly his career is on the line i'm sorry for the insensitivity we might have said with the word gay earlier i didn't see the fingernails i didn't that didn't so who are you voting for worm man yeah for what i'm sorry worm is that trump no who's worm man come on you don't you don't know worm rains Are you voting for Worm Man? Yeah. For, I'm sorry, Worm Man? Is that Trump? No. Who's Worm Man? Come on, dude.

You don't know Worm Man? No. You don't know Worm Man? I mean, I assume you're talking about RFK, because that's the only person we're not asking. No, what's a Worm Man? He said a worm ate part of his brain. Oh, my God. What happened there?

That was a week ago. That was like a week ago. Why did he say that? I don't know. He was doing great. Everybody's like, there's a week ago. That was like a week ago. Why did he say that? I don't know. He was doing great. Everybody's like there's a third option when he came out. He was doing great, right? Why did he do it? Because that wasn't to explain his voice. It had nothing to do with that.

If he said a worm ate my voice box, we'd be like, oh, that makes sense. Poor guy. But it was literally at the pinnacle, right? He's at the zenith of his popularity, and nobody supported Trump or Biden. And he comes up, he goes, by the way, a worm ate a piece of my brain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look at it, that's your voice, because none of it's something completely unrelated. Did he run that back, by the way? What happened after the worm brain incident? I think he's just kind of standing on it. Yeah. Oh, he is.

No, really, a worm has part of my brain. I think he said, three of standing on it yeah oh he is you know really a worm has part of my brain i think he said three arms to eat my brain and i'd still be smarter than either the candidates which is a fairly good response but you've seen men in black oh yeah it's basically that kind of situation he might be proof that politicians need to lie like you're really honest about everything and we're like chill dog yeah too much he went he went on the house i can't remember why they had him in there but he testified something in front of the House. And Nancy Pelosi, they destroyed him. It was honor of Joe Biden.

Like, Democrats will eat their own, and Republicans won't do that. But, I mean, they destroyed that poor guy. And a lot of it had to do with his beliefs on COVID, which turned out he was kind of ahead of the curve. But it also had to do with the CIA and the assassination of his family members. And I feel like that's a sensitive topic to tell him he's wrong. Yeah, can you blame him? No, can you blame him? How would you feel if your father and your uncle, my goodness.

By the way, have you ever gone to Dallas, the place where J.F. Kennedy was shot? If you stand there and you do that daily tour, you just look around to the prison and the suppository and the window, and you go, it is a lie. Lee Horner, the hospital, did not do, it is a lie. What were we going? Lee Horner, the hospital, did not do that. For sure, he did not do that. At least not alone.

That shot from that window. It's a good shot. It's a good shot. It's unreal. Which, by the way, why doesn't he take it when the car is coming straight? Makes no sense. He waits until the car. It's very relevant, though. And you've seen those pictures.

They're very graphic. But of JFK's head, it's like a waterman. It's so gross. But his brain is, you you know it's really bad yeah so i mean you can tell the exact angle that it's at you can tell it's like no there's no you're saying you couldn't make that shot no yeah well i would have taken it straight on you would have said that he was military trained but even a country boy like me you know we shot it you could take that straight but no you wait for it to turn then even if you took it though the point is he was clearly hitting the front based on the pit where the brain is leaving yeah and uh not the side and that kind of wraps the whole case right there like you don't have to know a lot about

ballistics you can just look at that photo look at the window it was that's an amazing story then jack ruby i mean that is an amazing story you know trump has that real story no trump has that real all the presidents do and trump promised he would release it, and he didn't. And he kept like every day. No. It was the time to release it. He wouldn't do it. And was it Alan Dershowitz?

It was a well-known lawyer. I don't think it was Alan, but had contacted him and said, why did you not release it? You promised. It was a big thing. I helped you campaign. I really wanted to know this. I'm curious. And Trump said, if you knew, if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't have released it either.

Oh, wow. And he's got all these aliens and stuff. The presidents know that, too. But Trump has really tried to let us know, yes, there is some aliens. I'm not going to be like these other presidents. I'm not going to tell you. But he has tried to let us know for when it does come out. Do you believe it?

I didn't lie. Aliens? Golly, what do you call them? Do you call them aliens? No, I don't think there's somebody from like Mars or something like that. But I got to tell you this. Everyone that I talk to, and I'm not any different, ghosts and aliens and God himself, it all come...

What did your mother tell you? Did your mother tell you there's no such thing as ghosts? All right, then you don't believe in ghosts. My mother told don't believe in ghosts my mother told me there was no ghost she told me there was no aliens a good friend of mine told me it's a very sound theory he said aliens are just asians and uh that's it i don't know how to respond do we laugh or is that i don't know either it's your theory i've never said that i never said that they look the most similar it was my theory my theories they look the most similar. That's all I said. That was my theory.

My theory is they look the most similar. They're the smartest. They probably are the aliens. See, I'm glad that happened because I don't want to laugh and then end up in HR. But now I know it's the HR department. No, ESPN or something. We have an HR department.

We have an HR department here as well. I got to tell you. Have we started the show? I don't know. This is what we do. When Chael is on, when the bad guy's on the couch, he does whatever the fuck he wants.

He came on 20 pounds heavier than last time. He's jacked the fuck up. Steroids in a little glass bottle. He's got a fight June 15th. Let's go. The guy's on it. Tell him. I'm just telling you.

Not only, I appreciate you saying that, there was no salesmanship. This fight, apparently, that I'm doing with Anderson, you can't get a ticket. It's a private event. There is a private, there is a multi-billionaire that is, it's like his company party. He owns a beer company. Wow.

And he's, this is a black tie event. He's not even at an arena. He has a place. He set up a ring. He called the Brazilian commission. You know, like sometimes you'll hear that Celine Dion went and sang for... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saudi Prince, yeah. I don't mean to compare ourselves to Celine.

But it's like that. So we're just going in this room. I was told there are 60 people. I read somewhere there could be up to 600. There was a zero added. I don't know which it is. I actually think it's going to be closer to 60. There is no distribution. There is no distribution.

There is no television. This will not, somebody will film it, but they're not like selling it or it's a live. What's the check? Yeah, when I tell you. That's what we will do. It's a corporate event. It's a pre-corporate. It's a corporate event.

I want to tell you so bad. Tell me so bad. Tell me so bad. Can I just give you a hint? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted this fight really bad. They wanted this fight really, really bad. Okay, okay, okay. Can you buy a house? Now, I know one thing about Chael Sonnen. they wanted this fight really bad they wanted this fight really really bad

okay okay now I know I know one thing about Chael Sonnen Chael Sonnen once made 18 million dollars on a fight

that's what I sorry 8 8 8 it went down it went down he said Dana White contacted me

after I told you that by the way oh what'd he say he's like there was a rounding error he said it is amazing how you do not let the truth get in the way of a story.

Just like that. And it was this great thing. But he was always irritated when I started blabbing those things. He was always irritated by it. Yeah, yeah. I think there was a part of him, to your point, that might have called the accounting department. Hey, guys, did you give that?

He's telling people he got 10. Did you give him? He does hate budget meetings. I heard him say that on a podcast. He's like, I never want to be in a budget meeting. So maybe he missed that one. He would not ask for it back, by the way. If there was a check that went out, he would never ask for it back. 8.8. So are we in that ballpark with this one? No.

No, we are not. But I was very surprised. Yeah, I mean, in some regards, I was surprised. I was flattered. But the thing is, is they were competing with the Middle East. Those guys are doing things right now. Yeah. That is like changing.

It's changing the game, at least for the short. I went to one, by the way. Where? I got invited to Riyadh. Yeah. It was PFL versus Bellator. I know they're owned by the same, but they still did a head-to-head duel. It was awesome, man.

Francis was there, and Mike Tyson was there, and Jon Jones came out in the garb. It was just great. It was just this killer event. They built the arena for this event. And I saw some of that. It took them two weeks to do it, and I was there about five days early. So I saw those. It was unbelievable.

Where you go one day, and then you go the next day, and there's carpeted, and there's bathrooms. I used to be in plumbing. You can't put a bathroom in overnight. It can't be. They did. They did. They put two in, in fact. One for the women as well.

Yeah. Oh, it was unbelievable what they could do. East African labor, by the way. If you're wondering where the labor force come from, a lot of it was- India and Pakistani. A lot of it was India and Pakistani. A lot of it was. A lot of Chinese in Abu Dhabi

when I went in 2001. A lot of Russian labor in 2001. What type of labor? East African. Everything. They come in and do it all. I mean,

they will put those carpets down. You get in an elevator in the Middle East, that, you know when you get in one in America? It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up. It goes up you know when you get one in America? It goes up.

It goes up. It goes straight into the sky. If you get one in America, there's a permit in the bottom of it. There's a fire code. There's like some stuff. There's none of that stuff. Are you saying you prefer the Middle East

to the United States of America? I'm just saying, man, they are building over there and they are not stopping and they're not getting held up by the bureaucracy. Sounds like they've offered you a fight. No, well, they were part of this. They were actually a part of why

the Anderson thing, I mean... Because there was bidding war going on. Yes. I'm not trying to brag on this, by the way. It was very exciting. You know, I'm sitting at home. I'm raising kids. I really wasn't. And all of a sudden, not only do you get paid and you get a chance at your biggest rival that, like, keeps you up at night, but it's an excuse to get in shape. Yeah.

I'm running out of steroids. I make a call. I'm back call i'm back but you gotta have a reason to get back on that stuff's not free are they drug testing at all or no drug testing at all well here's the thing i would have never failed a drug test they did a scumbag move on me called random testing that had never been done before pieces of those of shit. I was the first. Those scumbags. What the hell? If they would have explained the rules ahead of time, I would have manipulated them.

Yet, I didn't know them ahead of time. Thank you. That's the game, really. It's a whole thing. Yeah, so they can test all they want. Yeah. They can't random test. Now there's no way.

They can't come up with a set of playing graphs. That's entrapment. Yeah, that's entrapment. That would be a real dirty move. Okay, okay. It doesn't really matter. The fact is, you're going to get to go in there. You're going to get to beat Anderson Silva for the third time.

For the third time. How do you feel? Yeah, for the third time. Under any realistic rules. It is kind of bullying, dude. Do you feel bad about that? Well, I didn't know how to take it in this regard. Every little piece of my career does tie to him.

Whether it was a live gate or merchandise sales. I'm just trying to think. Maybe a press conference that somebody would join. But it all would tie to him. His career is not the same. He had a lot of other big matches. He had lots of title fights and pay-per-views. I don't remember.

Well, I appreciate that. Because I've always wondered, was I the special one? I wondered that. Was I special to him in his career? You were. Was I meaningful? Yes. He's not boxing anybody else.

You're in the documentary. That's right. And he asked me to do it. To watch it with him on the couch. Remember, you guys were watching the documentary. It was beautiful. And you faked those tears, those crocodile tears. I appreciate that you saw that. So you could sell this fight documentary. It was beautiful. And you fake those tears, those crocodile tears.

I appreciate that you saw that. So you can sell this fight. That's all true. Dude, look at that. It's all coming together. All right, guys. Life tour shows this summer. Porterville, California.

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throughout the country shit throughout the world appreciate you guys so much I will see you guys so much. I will see you guys out there. Peace. Conor is fighting or needs a win to prove that he deserves another fight. Like, it's going to be really hard.

And he could sell, and he could still be a top draw. I don't know for how long without winning you could do that. But my point is, I mean, Conor really is fighting for a lot. Like, if you look at it in that perspective that quite possibly it's his last fight, quite possibly his career is on the line. The stakes are bigger than people think. Big fight noviceice but if i'm thinking connor macroscopically it feels like he had his peak as a fighter and then it really kind of leveled off went downhill from there do you think he just wants to re-establish his legacy

as a man like even just one fight i'm gonna try to knock this guy out and you're gonna remember what i was and then i can be out i think to a degree i don't know if he's thought it through that clearly but i think to a degree like i think't know if he's thought it through that clearly, but I think to a degree, like I think he's very sincere when he said he wants to go to the Middle East and box with Manny Pacquiao for whatever reason. But they even have a lawsuit and Conor's got an $8 million judgment

against Manny and he's trying to collect them. There's actually a real story there. But yeah, to a degree I think he sees himself as a fighter not as an actor, not as a club owner. Like, I got all that, but now I remember, now that I have it and I'm still not full, what I am at the end of the day is a fucking fighter. You'll see it with like comedy. Jerry Seinfeld goes and does the biggest sitcom ever. And he's like, no, but I'm a comic, so I don't care about this. I'm walking away at the peak of this thing because I'm a comedian and I'm coming back to this.

Can you explain the $8 million thing with Manny Pacquiao? I didn't hear about that. Yeah, so Conor McGregor set up a sports company, I want to call it McGregor Inc. McGregor Sports Entertainment. So one of the first guys they signed, Conor and his partner, Audie, who happens to be a great manager and a lawyer, they signed Manny Pacquiao. So Manny Pacquiao did the deal. They paid him an upfront to get him. And Pacquiao went the deal they paid him an upfront fee and Pacquiao went and did a deal

with somebody else, burned them, didn't do the match and Pacquiao's actually known for that I think it was Sports Illustrated but there's a massive publication that said Manny Pacquiao has left roughly $50 million on the table for having multiple people speaking for him that don't talk who's the guy

who's his advisor? Some tall white guy. Really? He's a guy who kind of like operated in boxing circles for Michael Kahn. American guy? I don't know.

Manny is a congressman or something. Do you know the guy? Was I supposed to say his name? No, not at all. I just thought you might know. Michael Konks. Manny is a congressman or something over there. Do you know the guy? Was I supposed to say his name? No, not at all. Were you teaming me up there? No, I wasn't teaming you up at all. I just thought that you might know. Michael Conks. Michael Conks.

K-O-N-C-Z. Yeah, apparently he, like, this sometimes happens, I imagine, with fighters, where, like, you need someone who is your liaison to all the people that are trying to get things from you. Yep. And there are certain people who are very good at mingling and gaining people's trust. And then they gain people's trust. And then they became their, like, sole representative in the world. And you don't even really know.

So the question was, how much was he meddling? I think there was a contract disputes with Golden Boy at one time. Oh, yeah. You know, so I wonder how much of that is the Michael dude. Well, and that's one of the things, like, if you look at Manny, you go, what an un unhonorable guy how many times did you give your word and not honor i'm just not positive he knows yeah he might not even know yeah and i lived a little bit where you get multiple people hey can i manage you can i do this can i do that and and you want it you want to help you want to and so you tell them yes if you do that here's the thing yeah but then this other guy that thought he was your manager's like wait a minute i'm getting the calls from the same people and you've given this

guy the authority. And so what ends up happening is this person that finds out you have to just pulls out. And that was what the article on Pacquiao was talking about, that he had left, you know, roughly 50 million on the table just for sponsors like like PepsiCo, for example, that looked like we're out. We don't know who to talk to. That's going to be a problem. And so I only suggest that I'm not I'm not sure Manny is quite the disappointment for not being a man of his word. I do think there's possibly he's got some distractions and doesn't know. I think possibly.

But Conor and Audie, God bless them, said, look, we'll work it out. You owe us money and we will draw. We have a way to pursue you. We will drop it if. We fight. Yeah, let's just do the fight. And then he might need a big win in the UFC to propel him to that superstardom again in the fight game

to fight one of these boxing guys to make that $100 million. You talk about his superstardom. I don't know the exact stat, but I believe it's that Conor's not won a fight in five years. Whenever the Donald Cerrone fight was, is the one that he's won, or possibly he's only won one fight in five years, which is now six.

You talk about that. You're on your way down. He's fighting Chandler for no reason. It's about a ranking it's not about a title international fight weekend which is historically Dana's biggest card of the year is always capped off with a world title fight not this time these two that's got no contendership nobody really knows the weight class we know it's not 155 and so the media is like said it's 170 but it's actually never been stated it could be 168 or 169 and the reason I bring that up, if you don't have a weight class, you have no point for fighting. They have no point for fighting. Now, before you think I just put the fight down, they already have the largest box office in the history of our industry.

Not just the UFC. $23 million, and it's not sold out. It's going to come in closer to $27 million. The UFC has never broken 20 million their highest gate at 17.2 was their first time at madison square garden which by the way held by conor mcgregor he's beating his own all top 10 records all top 10 pay-per-views are all mcgregor and i figured he could still come in at number seven number eight beat himself but his heydays nope he is he is at his height right now at least at

the box office wow ever what is it ever what's the formula i don't know what is the formula because he's just a superstar is it just that factor and there's some people who just have it what about that movie by the way he goes and does that movie at amazon prime but it was the most watched movie house whatever yeah um he's a star conor mcgraker's a star and that's aregor's a star. And that's a weird word. What does that mean? That's what I'm trying to break down. What does that mean? What is the formula? What is the concoction made out of? Mike Kogan, without the formula for

Conor, but Mike Kogan's definition. Mike Kogan is the Dana White of Bellator. But he said his definition of a star is somebody that regardless of opponents or what they're doing, they could box in this case or they could go to MMA. People are going to stop and they're going to watch.

And he said there's only been a couple. He put Kimbo Slice in that category. And he had Kimbo in her contract. He said, man, that guy was a massive star. So he couldn't walk down the street with Kimbo Slice, rest his soul. At any rate, and then you have McGregor and then you have everybody else. But I really didn't know that Conor, in this sport that sport that is driven I mean Conor and Chandler have a couple of things in common one they haven't fought in a meaningful period of time two they're not 170

pounders three uh they both lost their last fight as a matter of fact I think they lost their last couple of fights like there is nothing that a main event or a top draw or a box office hit ever in history has these ingredients that you talk about this is a very unique thing but in chandler talk about he might be my favorite fighter yeah i can't get enough michael chandler and now it turns out he's funny interesting yeah and then now it turns out he's fun he's prepared yeah he's popping it on wwe and he's holding his own with those chandler's great i'm glad he's back yeah's a, I wonder if an aspect of the stardom is, is never knowing what they're going to say.

So you're compelled to watch or listen because you truly cannot predict what's going to come out of their mouth. And then you couple that with concussive knockout power in your sport. And outside of that, you don't need the concussive knockout power. But Mike Tyson is another example of this.

You never know what Mike is going to say. He always surprises you. Sometimes he's like, I give all grace to God. I'm a Muslim now. You're like, wait, you were just eating kids? What the fuck is... You know what I mean? It's every day there's a new thing and you have no clue what's going to happen. You watch his podcast

and he's on mushrooms and he's, you know, Bill Burr is saying jokes to him and he has no clue. He's like straight facing him. you have no clue what's going to happen. You watch his podcast and he's on mushrooms and he's Bill Burr is saying jokes to him and he has no he's like straight facing him. He has no clue what the fuck is going on. So I think there is this aspect of what is he going to say next? And when you can also knock people out, why would I not just look at this dude?

Anthony Edwards. Ant Edwards. I think that's all superstars. I really think unpredictability. Like, Kanye is the same way. I think it's like a human nature thing. Like, the thing that you can't predict, you just keep your eye on. Yeah.

But with basketball, if you can't really, like, there's not excitement. Steph Curry pulling up from 40 feet out is exciting. Ant dunking on your head is exciting. Knockouts in UFC. Oh, I think what Al was saying is in interviews. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. To your point of coupling it with something. So you have to have an elite skill within the profession. I don't know if you even

need the elite skill. It's an exciting skill. Home run, you don't have to be a good baseball player, but you have to be able to jack home runs. To get into the league, sure. But I think even just on like a media level, with all due respect to like Charleston White, like he's just, you have no idea what he's going to do. He's so entertaining because there's something so mercurial about him. You just watch him.

Who knows? He's going to pepper spray someone. He's going to fight someone. He's going to get canceled. I would say that his skill is also being funny because he can say anything and be crazy, but he can also be funny and roast. But yeah, it is interesting how that works.

So it's that unpredictability. What the fuck are they going going to say i have no clue what they're going to say every single time they're in front of a camera close a skill yeah yeah and that that infuriates people yeah when when when a guy in his skills or his entertainment can propel his career like it infuriates but this isn't about who wins it's about who can sell the most tickets like no kidding yeah they say like they've just cracked the code. You know, you get these young fighters. Come on, do interviews. Man, Dana doesn't even care about it.

He wants to know how many people are interested in seeing you fight. Like he just revealed something terrible about the organization. Oh, Dana's a businessman. Yeah. What an asshole. Oh, Dana puts these on in events because he wants people to come.

Oh, he wants them to come. He wants them to come. Oh. Well, guys, show dates. First of all, thank y'all so much. We're selling it everywhere. It's fucking fantastic. And this June 21st and 22nd,

I'm going to be at Good Nights Comedy Club in Raleigh. I expect every Indian in Morristown or wherever that place is to come through. June 28th and 29th, Buffalo, New York. Then I'm off for a few weeks doing some private gigs July 26th and 27th, Jacksonville. And Hawaii, get your tickets. I'm coming end of August.

August 29th and August 30th. Honolulu, Hawaii. Blue No Comedy Club. Get your tickets for those shows and end of August, August 29th and August 30th. Honolulu, Hawaii, Blue No Comedy Club. Get your tickets for those shows and more at akashsingh.com. Now let's get back to the show. Are you vegan? No. Do I look it?

No, I was at a place across the street. And they have spaghetti squash. And they say, you go in and you get the spaghetti squash. And I was like, what a twerk. I was giggling. a twerk. What a twerk. He gets the spaghetti. I was giggling. I'm like, he does. Okay, this is why.

I'm gay. No, no. Wait a second. Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. Besides the gay part. Yeah. No, no.

Is that libel? Could you sue yourself for saying that? I could. That's very interesting. You know regular spaghetti is also vegan, right? No, I... That's a great point. That's a great fucking point.

Just eating vegetables doesn't make you vegan. Yeah. No, you got me. I'm trying to find out what that is. It's like... You can say sometimes that you take... You know, some hamburger in the sauce or something like that. I mean, yeah, don't you think sometimes that you can eat a hamburger in the sauce? Or something like that?

No, I'm trying to stay off the bread, man. That's what it is. Oh, it's a carb issue. Yeah, really? It's more game, which is why I didn't want to say it. Be vegan. At least there's something justifiable. Yeah.

Oh, my God. So they do a spaghetti squash pasta. They make pasta spaghetti. Did you fucking order it? No. Yes, you did. How would they tell you if you you fucking order it? No! Yes, you did! How would they tell you if you didn't order it? I'm trying to do this diet thing, okay? I got this

fight coming up. The testosterone put like 13 pounds on me in a week. You know how depressing that is, by the way? You know how depressing that is? To be working out, watching your weight and gain 13 pounds in seven days. That sounds like my life, dog. It's miserable. It literally will depress. You walk by the mirror life, don't it? It's miserable. It literally will deprive,

you walk by the mirror, you don't want to look, your belt doesn't fit. No, it's a whole thing, but it sucks. Part of it, you just said jack,

right? You can start putting on that one. It's so hard. Well, but I'm just saying, it's the opposite. I mean, practice is getting harder

because you're gaining weight. Your condition is getting worse. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He's bulking, and I think with the fat,

you still gain muscle. You still gain fat with muscle, I think is what he's sayingking and I think with the fat you still gain muscle you still gain fat with muscle I think is what he's saying but then the practice getting harder you're saying your cardio is worse it's just weight you're trying to bounce around and move around it's harder yeah slowing me down

I thought that your one recovery is way better and two the time in which you can work out is longer. For sure. Okay. For sure. Your timing is off in terms of your speed and your cardio. Yes.

But that is managed by the fact that you can work out twice as much to get it back to where it needs to be. I think it's worth it. Yes. I mean, like the pain that I would have without manipulating testosterone. It would be crazy. Yeah, really really i'm 47 and uh i mean i make fun of guys like that i make fun of guys that go and try to do a kid's sport when they're i tease guys like this right you know and my wife is like what are you doing is

it's a i i don't really know how to answer that question but there was one guy like i feel like i am very civilized and you know i would find somebody rude if they challenged me and then that's it i was what what a jerk i want to go ask you a quick question find somebody rude except him I feel like I can't find somebody rude yeah I feel like that's a rude thing to do but it wouldn't be like all right well I'll see you outside and and except with him how are things with your your wife she's so hot isn't she oh my god because you said that last time and out of respect I didn't look but you you were there was a moment in the of respect, I didn't look. But you, you were. There was a moment in the last one, and I was telling you how pretty she was.

I was doing some bit, and he and I got in a conversation, and her name is saved on my phone as Brittany Hoddy. Somewhere you saw it. She texted my phone. She texted you. And you said, oh, I have that same number, Brittany Hoddy. That was the funniest thing. I had thought about that after, and I don't even know that I laugh out loud.

I was like, that was so like that was so that was so I cannot wait till I can do that to someone else and then they'll think that I'm a comedic genius like the way I really like that joke

but she's good everything's good with wifey is she upset about you fighting has that ever been an issue or she supports that oh my god

are things good with her oh believe me every day have you seen this girl as a bomb rocket Oh, my God. Are things good with her? Oh, believe me. Every day. Have you seen this girl as a bomb rocket? Yes. Bomb rocket. She had a birthday not that long ago, and we celebrated. It was like 11 o'clock at night.

The kids were in bed. 11? She's 32 years old. I ran into the bedroom. I said, you are 32. I can't believe I was married to this old woman. I can't. And she's like, don't remind me. I don't know why, but in my mind,

she was still like 26 or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Has that happened to you yet? Hey, my dad, I used to ask him, hey, how old are you? And he'd have to stop and think. I'm like, what an act. What an act that you have to, oh, I gotta stop

and do the math, and I graduated. But you do, you forget this birthday. I thought I was 48. It turned out I was 47. It and do the math. I graduated. But you do. You forget. This birthday, I thought I was 48. It turned out I was 47. It was this great day. Yeah, it's awesome. You got to hear about it. Great day. He had the opposite.

I remember telling him. I aged two years in one day. What happened? I was 26 when I was 28. He was telling me he was 26. I was like, you're older than me. What the fuck are you talking about? On the birthday.

I thought, I was like, oh, I'm 26. And then on the birthday where I was going to turn 27, I turned 28. Oh! They were at the birthday party. They were saying happy birthday. What does it feel like to be 28? I was like, oh, I'm 26, and then on the birthday where I was going to turn 27, I turned 28. Oh! They were at the birthday party. They were saying happy birthday. What does it feel like to be 28? I was like, I'll tell you next year.

How would I know? Yeah. Oh my God. And 28, of course, feels so young now. Yes. Okay, but she's great. Britney's great.

She's wonderful. And she's upset you're fighting her now? No, no, she's going. She's going to go. You're going to let her go to the slums of... Sao Paulo, Brazil. Taking my kids and everything.

My son, eight years old, is cornering me. No way. Brittany's father will be the head corner man, but my son will like carry the bucket

and he's excited about it. Wait a minute. This is nuts to me. What if, what if, what if you really hurt Anderson? Yeah. Like your kid is going to see that.

You kill a guy. He wasn't alive when we fought the first time, but he's watched it a million times, and his classmates have watched it, and he's seen it on YouTube. It feels very new to him. He doesn't look at it and go, Hey, what are you guys doing?

This is weird. What are you guys doing? He doesn't look at it like that. He's like, yeah, we got Box Anderson. We got to get ready for him. You got to lead that hand, and you got a good uppercut. He dips right into it, and I don't know if any of those things are true,

but he's watched enough Rocky that he's saying those words. It's very fun. That's fun. There will be a day that we will look back on that. Yeah, if your kid loves what you do, that's got to be so awesome. Do you knock out Anderson Silva in your third fight? I would not predict that.

I am not going out there strategically to knock him out. We can't bet on this thing, right? It's not even really sanctioned. It is sanctioned. It's at some billionaire's house. They brought the commission in. Okay, so you can't bet on it. They got the commission.

And the commission operates, at least in America, off of 6% of the gate. So when you're not doing a gate, I don't quite know how that works. But no, they did not want the word exhibition tied to this. It was important. off of 6% of the gate. So when you're not doing a gate, I don't quite know how that works, but no, they did not want the word exhibition tied to this. It was important. Yeah, somewhere that, even for his own buddies, they just did not want that. Anyway, they brought, yeah, we got to weigh in and we got the whole bit.

But they didn't bring the drug commission in. They could test you there, but they have to test you there is my point. It's the random test that could get a guy in a jam. So it's the surprise test. Otherwise, if you know what you're doing, particularly if you're on pharmaceutical grade, you also have a pretty good idea when it's out of your system. The benefits will remain, but it's out of your system. Okay.

Has Ryan Garcia exposed that it doesn't really matter if you don't make weight. It doesn't really matter if you're on the juice. If you put on an amazing performance and you muddy the waters with enough unbelievably entertaining buildup. It was amazing. It was like. I mean, I am so fascinated. Yeah. This has never happened.

The public has loosened on marijuana never happened like like the public has not changed like the public has loosened on marijuana for example the public has loosened on straight street drugs for example they have not loosened on pd's on no not at all and particularly in combat where you can hurt somebody yeah particularly in that he is suffering and i mean nothing and one of the things that's unique is the commission in fact it was the new york commission has not suspended him generally every announcement that we get would come from the commission that says we have a negative assay here's this and it's put right in the press release the exact date yeah along with the address and the room number of where his arbitration will be held and until this is resolved uh his license is hereby suspended that has never happened this

was done by vada we found out from devin haney who would have been a sore loser that it happened we didn't even believe it it got confirmed by ryan garcia i mean like this it's never been done like this and the public when there was no suspension yeah they just seemed i also i don't even know if it was no suspension it was him leaning into everything and muddying the waters like there's never been clarity about what's happening in this fight he comes overweight and he was like i plan it the whole time hell yeah i'm overweight and i'm hydrating back up to whatever you're like wait is he overweight it was this plan did he try to make wait what is you didn't even know if he was going to show up on fight day it was so genius the way that every bit of information about this fight that was in the promo was either true

or false and you had no clue it was just entertaining so now every piece of information about the fight afterwards you're like is it true or false i don't care unpredictable and when you're unpredictable you can't keep your eyes off him yep I didn't know what to make of it either he's never been a great troll he's never been great

at media this is brand new going back this is all new yeah he tried to be a face I remember watching the Tank Showtime series and I was like

it just seems phony he's trying to be like this great guy praying at the and then it just completely 180'd and it was way more captivating

and he's got nobody helping him like he didn't get some Hollywood writer that he bumped into. That happened to me one time. I was at a Starbucks, and I met a guy that introduced himself and said, I used to write for the WWE.

And he started helping me with some bits of material. I mean, it's like one of these things. Garcia doesn't have that. He went out in business completely for himself. He looked like a total fool. It all worked out. I mean, it is so brilliant. I love what you said about muddying the waters.

I also don't know what the reality is. And I think we get this like exhaustion when we don't know what is, this is just with media in general. When we don't know what is true or false, we just kind of remove ourselves. Like that's the beauty of the fake news thing. Once you say fake news and it's confirmed, we're like, oh, so nothing's really real? I'm not going to read a whole fucking article if this is going to end up being fake and then you just kind of create a little bit of separation from it and now you don't care as much what is true or false did he use the uh osterine or

whatever did he not what is osterine even for yep what is it for because maybe it's the type of it's a chick steroid yeah basically i mean you you know yeah well the guys that test positive for uh there's another one uh nanderstein Yeah. Well, the guys that test positive for, there's another one, an Anderstein, by the way, but the guys that test positive for that generally are taking a banned substance that was tainted with that. Like they weren't actually set out to take that. I'll use John Jones just because it's a name that, you know,

not to pick on John, but when he got hit on the- Why would you do that? Why would you take it? To defend him. You would have to go to a museum to find what they found. Oh, really? There is no chance that he meant to take that.

He did a lie detector test. It's like, yeah, for sure. He could pass that. He did not mean to take that. Now, Victor Conte speculated on the Joe Rogan program that,

uh, that he was taking a banned substance, but it was tainted with, with that one. And sorry, just real quick. Does tainted mean that he's taking a conco, but it was tainted with that one. Sorry, just real quick. Does tainted mean that he's taking a concoction that has a piece of it in it? Yes. And this is quite common?

On accident, though. That's the tainted part. Okay, so when something comes from China, a lot of times they will reuse a used bottle. And so there's some that's in the... So they have a used bottle that once upon a time had Ostrich in it But it's empty, there's nothing in there But there actually is Yeah, that's right, so they come in and they insert the whatever

You're taking the whatever And most of the good stuff actually comes from China Like some of the great growth hormones and whatnot And by the way I kind of now want to disassociate John Like he didn't do that I was just using his name as an example Where that's one of the big guesses When you have some of those really weird ones want to disassociate john like he he didn't do that i was just using his name as an example where

that's one of the big guesses when you have some of those really weird ones then you get guys that are innocent yoel romero turned out was completely innocent actually sued uh the the company that sold him like his protein powder whatever that had a banned substance that they didn't put on the label won 40 million dollars wow i mean they went up but they did not pay he bankrupted a company though did they because he was so no no No, I couldn't even tell you the name of the company. They were gone. Does that do anything? Yes.

It would be bigger, stronger, faster. Just like all of it. It's just not a good one. The way that it was described to me was it basically gives you those positive effects, but then with the old steroids with those positive effects, but then with the old steroids, with those positive effects,

the bigger, faster, stronger, you would also have these negative physical characteristics. Aspidine, tits. Yeah, you'd get the tits, you'd get the gyno, you'd get the balls, whatever. So with Ostrine, my understanding was that it did something to offset the negative physical characteristics.

And that's why I think it was safe for chicks to take it for competitions because they wouldn't grow shalongs or whatever. Tits, yeah. And hair and facial hair. And a lot of times that they find the ostrines, the drug collectors believe that, okay, we missed what you were really using, but you used this as a cover. We caught the cover. Which means you must have been doing something else even though we didn't find the something. Again, it's speculation, but Austrian pops up a lot. Yeah, it pops up quite often.

Okay, so is this the way? One, I mean, Ryan can sell any fight now. And he's, I wonder, what? What do you say? I mean, I think you only have one way to do this, what he did. Like, if he does this again and he's crazy again in a year, I think we're going to be like, all right. Okay, I wonder if he has become fluent in media attention.

Yeah, if you do it twice, then it's like, oh. Yeah. Sure. In other words, he's, you know, this happens with comedy, it happens with learning a language, it happens with fighting, I'm sure. It's like you eventually learn enough that you have a fluency in it. know you have you know when you do i know exactly turn it on whenever you want and or when you take and twist it to another direction yeah i know what you mean and i wonder if he's like oh now i know how to promote fights and it doesn't have to be done in this exact same

way maybe he could be sad boy next time guys i feel so sad i don't want to kill myself i don't even know if i'm going to make it there like And now we're just like, what the fuck is going on? What is he saying? Is he now fluent in media? And can he sell any fucking stuff? And that would go back to your point of being unpredictable. Once you have the audience, you have the audience. And the hardest thing is to get them.

You're going to stop what they're doing. Okay, something's happening here. But once you have them, and he does. I would imagine the Devin Haney rematch is the biggest fight, right? Isn't that likely? Yeah. Really? No? I think Tank, I'd be kind of interested in. I would imagine the Devin Haney rematch is the biggest fight, right? Isn't that likely? Yeah. Really? No?

I think Tank I'd be kind of interested in. I want to see Tank with no—and he has to lean into the rehydration clause. He has to make Tank's victory all about the fact that he was drained. Sure. And who am I to tell him what to do? Do whatever the fuck you want. But— In your opinion.

Yeah, because you could create this little seed of doubt in the audience's mind. Oh, maybe it was the rehydration when he came in three pounds overweight against Haney dominated. Holy shit. What if that same thing could happen with tank? And I think that's tank's biggest money fight. Like if I'm tank and I already beat this guy and you're telling me I can make

five X by fighting him again, even at a heavier weight. Yeah. No brainer. Yeah. I agree with that. Why was Tank not on an Olympic team? I mean, who kept him off?

Or Ryan Garcia? Why were they... I think Ryan tried, right? And then he decided to go pro. Okay. Did he lose the box off or he just decided to go pro? I'm not sure. Okay.

I'm not sure. But he had a big amateur career. And then I wonder if Tank was just scooped up by the Mayweathers and they were like yo why are you wasting your time why are you wasting like prime years

when you could be fighting for real money and that might be what I'm asking is that how boxers look at it do they not hold the Olympics

as coveted as they used to it used to be your best promotional tool remember when Floyd Roy Golden Boy all of them

Sugar Ray Leonard sure right like these guys would go and then yeah Roy Jones getting robbed in Korea. Robbed. They robbed.

The Korean apologized on the stand. Isn't that crazy? On the stand, he told them, I am sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think sports where you can make a lot of money here, we don't take the Olympics seriously.

As serious. Because even in basketball. That's a great point. But if over there, you can't really make that much money going pro. An American hasn't won a boxing gold since 76. Yeah. Especially once you can cast into doubt that it's going to be legit.

I'm going to beat this guy's ass and still maybe lose. Why am I putting my health on the line when I could just go make money? Yeah. I mean, what's it called? DeAndre. The bronze bomber. DeAndre. Oh, yeah.

Wilder. Wilder. He won bronze. And he still put it in his name yeah i was reading one weight class you're right actually there were more americans that have won more recently yeah uh deontay wilder apparently yeah deontay not down uh very wild very very like a kind of a frightening looking guy he's got that look you know kind of like a rough guy look apparently went and i think it's called dmt but it's something it's something that's out there and

it sends it kind of reprograms your mind he did that and is no longer the mean no longer has everything that made him yeah he went and did a boxing match in fact and it was it was it was bad yeah he fought uh joseph parker if i'm not mistaken yeah out of shape or maybe under motivation but joseph is also like a sharp guy. He's a good fighter. DMT is the opposite of whatever a steroid is. Yeah. It's the opposite of performance.

But I love that for a fighter once they made their money. I love that you had $8.8 million, allegedly, in a fight. Got out. You made your money. Now you're doing this. You're healthy. I love that for Deontay. I took enough brain punishment.

Now I'm on the DMT. But now he's going to fight. Better path. They can't let it go. They fucking need it. Any more, I lost. I thought maybe that one fight where he got his ass, he would be in wake-up call. I feel like they have to

suspend Garcia. Because if they don't and they let him fight again, now every fighter can be like, yo, he did it. Well, you only suspend him if he actually did violate it. And if the New York State Athletic Commission hasn't said anything, did he violate it? That's where it gets interesting and it was he popped under vada the voluntary voluntary anti-doping agency so these two guys agreed to subject themselves to something that they didn't need to but now but they don't have any uh adjudication power none

all you can do is just say he popped. But that's enough for other places. Like, if USADA would hit you and you fought Nevada, Nevada would bring you in and suspend you under. I mean, like, there was things that could happen, but it hasn't happened yet. And the week that this happened, I actually called the executive director, Kim

Sumler. Very, very good director, by the way. She resigned. No relation, but she was done. So then there wasn't even a new one in place to speak to. The one day that I pursued it, I dropped it. I mean, this is my own story, but New York hasn't suspended him. He technically could take a fight and might against Jake Paul in Texas. I mean, that comes about.

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Morgan & Morgan is going to take care of you. Now let's get back to the show. While we're unboxing, did you watch Fury Usyk? Yes. Thoughts? Well, I didn't know that Usyk was that good, quite frankly. I mean, I really thought some of that was for show, but the way he went out there and represented his country,

I had discussed and got a lot of heat for it. I had just discussed if these two guys, and I did 30 days before the fight, these two guys go the distance, the judges are going to give it to Usyk on the mere fact that his country is at war. You said that? I had a lot of trouble.

Yeah. Tyson said it. The moment the fight ended. The moment it ended, people were going to sign it. He watched his bad guy ink, man. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know if they were related, but he took a lot of heat for it. The moment it ended. He watched his bad guy ink, man. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know if they were related, but he took a lot of heat for it. And it's like, well, you could be mad at him

and it might be an insensitive statement. I think he's right. I really do. I think the judges are going to go, no, I didn't. I think he's right in that. Had they gone to decision, it's likely to go against him. But no, I thought he lost. Yeah, I thought he lost.

Yeah. I'm concerned. Like, I thought Tyson was. Yeah, I thought he lost. Yeah. I'm concerned. I thought Tyson was the greatest heavyweight boxer in history. Yeah. And I really follow boxing. I've tried to do the math of who could potentially beat him. And when he was in his heyday, I don't know. After the Ngannou fight and this fight,

I don't know if we're witnessing him not taking it seriously anymore or just the end of a very long career at the toughest division. Sure. Because Usyk just outboxed him. Like, usually Tyson, with a much smaller guy, can keep him at distance. He's bouncing around. He's hurting him when he needs to. He hurt Usyk maybe a couple times, but Usyk was relentless

and just outsmarted him in the ring he was hitting him with these straight lefts to the body and if you notice it would open up that looping left upstairs and that's what fucking dropped Fury saw it he started to kind of lock his right

hand by the jaw but the second he got lazy he gets clipped and I'm watching this and I'm like oh my god one i see how legacies die right because if you just watch these last two fights you'll go oh there was no way tyson was the greatest heavyweight box of all time but if you saw him at his fucking heyday you go there's no human being on planet earth that could ever beat this guy so is this what we remember him by and that was a great analysis by the way and i totally co-signed that like i also think of him that same way like okay who's gonna beat tyson somebody that can knock him out but when you see him sit up

and get up it's like no i'm not i don't believe that he tyson and some of these big punchers even george foreman who might be the hardest puncher could knock him out it is different by the way we're speaking of the Olympics. Didn't Usyk win the gold in 16? I think so. Wasn't he an Olympic champ for his country? I don't know. And I know Fury went down that path, didn't make the Olympic team.

But when you talk about he's not as sharp or maybe he's not taking these quite as serious, I would agree that that could be part of it. However, he is still hanging in there. 12 rounds, 36 minutes when you're getting beat up. Like, he has the heart. He has unbelievable heart. And to have that conditioning to be able to hold up, like, you had to have done that in the gym, and you can't.

If you're not still there and you're not still motivated, you're not the eye of the tiger, you can't put that time in the gym. Like, the two just don't work out. And I don't know. I just feel like Fury didn't get credit for the Francis fight. I mean, he found himself in a competition way harder than he thought it was going to be. And that is where guys unfold. And he stood in there for 30 minutes and tried to figure out a way to win.

He's unbelievably courageous. He is courageous. And he is tough. That guy is tough as fucking hell. Was it a strategic failure or was it a skill disparity? I thought it was a... it looked like age caught up a little. And you can mitigate age a little bit by like really training and really strategizing. Mitigate it a little bit.

But it felt like he was going out there doing what he's done for the last 30 years, probably boxing since he's six. But he was just a little slower. And he was going up against a guy who's also his age, by the way, that just hadn't really slowed him. Less miles for Ngannou? For, no, for Usyk. Yeah, I guess Ngannou too, but like, but yeah, it just felt like, yeah, it felt like, and keep in mind, like,

Usyk's been in there with guys and gotten hit. Like, Usyk was fighting in, what, cruiserweight before? Yep. So it's not like he was going against, like, slow plotting. Like, he was going against guys with a fucking crack. It's just kind of like a weird division. But, yeah, it just felt like he had slowed down a little bit. And in boxing, you always see these guys.

When they slow down a tiny bit, especially guys who are, like, evading punches with great head movement. tyson's one of those guys he's fucking six nine or whatever but he can move his head yeah second it takes a little bit longer yeah he uh we our whole life we've been told about size advantage but we've never really seen size be an advantage we've seen it be a disadvantage and so many times in the sport we see the guy move up uh muhammad ali in his prime and heavy was 198

pounds mike tyson in his prime was 220 pounds mike literally never had a longer arm they talk about reach of it never had a longer arm or a pound on an opponent just for example but roy jones moved up took on a guy named ruiz and even roy's dad didn't want it to happen i remember what he said he said it's a matchup yep i do not want my son to do that i watched that roy beat him every every which way. And then Evander Holyfield was a smaller guy, and he moved up. And I'm only sharing with you,

like these cruiserweights really do learn how to fight and really do learn how to move. And I just felt like Usyk, he doesn't have the body for it. I completely misjudged him. I made fun of his voice. I mean, I just, there was a lot of things where I didn't really see it.

And I go, man, that guy, what a fighter. What a fighter. He got cracked. Yes, it was a see it. And I go, man, that guy, what a fighter. What a fighter. He got cracked. Yes, it was a hard match. And he found a way. He got a big uppercut from, like, Fury caught him going in. And because he fights in that, like, traditional, like, Russian style, you know, where they, it's Soviets. I don't know what the fuck you would call it.

But there's just this, a lot of side-to-side head movement. But Fury tied him, caught him with his upper cut, and he like stepped back and he couldn't even hear him go, oof. It's never a great sound from back. Fury's great.

But he was able to hold it in. And Fury didn't go after him after that. I thought he didn't know that he hurt him. Or he was like tired and just maybe he was being more methodical. Yeah. He had him stunned. If he would have kept on him, I think he could have took him out.

And he says he wants the rematch, by the way. They signed it up, I thought. They're going to do it again. Oh, they've already signed it. I saw a flyer. Okay. He had the rematch clause, but they have those all the time and they don't activate them. Why?

In fight sports, I notice this a lot. There's always one ref that seems blind. the way they score yeah judge sorry the way they score it is just so completely all from everybody that happens well i do not know uh why that happens i will tell you my bigger frustration is why when that happens they don't there is never a discussion there is never a meeting like if a fighter does anything we get licensed by the same body the administrators are they get their licenses by the same body we get called in yeah we gotta call we gotta get lawyers and we gotta defend ourselves and we've got to explain and the commission is generally pretty open to hearing you the commission is generally pretty nice to to fighters but they still make them go through the

process yeah why would you not bring a judge in and say, you know, every judge had this unanimous. You had it vastly different. Can we look at round three? For example, what is it that you saw? And if that judge has an answer, I think we could all learn something and we could also live with it. But the mere fact that they are never questioned,

a fighter has to come in publicly, can have his whole career, but a judge, when you're getting a license from the same person i know i keep repeating that but it's very relevant the attorney general's the one giving everybody their license i mean it would seem as though you treated there's a fighter that came in and gave an absolutely horrible performance let's just say like awful couldn't keep their hands up looked like slow and blotting i would imagine that at least the promotion would do an investigation on them and be like hey are you okay sure you weren't performing like usually perform is there

something wrong are you unhealthy did the weight drain affect you there's not even any of that with the judges yeah when you have the fighter that won saying i did not i mean when that happens i think you have a real problem on it i'll'll give you a great example. Yeah, who's that? Well, what they were getting ready to do in Nevada, and it took no investigation, Floyd Mayweather versus Conor McGregor. Floyd, there was nine seconds left in the first round when he took a hand and moved it in a forward direction. Gave the round away.

But then he kept giving rounds away, and he explained it later. I was feeling him out. I was tiring him out. I had a strategy, so therefore I gave the rounds away. Well, not according to the judges. According to the judges, you won them all. I was turning them out. I had a strategy. So therefore, I gave the rounds away. Well, not according to the judges. According to the judges, you won them all. Oh, really? Floyd.

And those judges were getting ready to rob Conor. I watched that side by side with Teddy Atlas, one of the most respected ones. Yeah, of course. And Teddy had four rounds for McGregor when they were going into the 10th, which ended up being the final. Yeah. And everybody did. Some people had five for McGregor. And I'm just saying, not the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

I mean, they were getting ready to rob mcgregor and because it ended correctly with a tko and we never got there we therefore never went back and looked at those yeah but they're still turned in those sheets are still there's still public information wow yeah and on bob bennett's watch there was nothing to see here folks i can't i've never won outreach because there's like so many people bet on combat sports. There should be so much outrage about it. Afterwards, if you look at a tape, could you get an objective measure of what the scoring should have been? Or is it still

too nebulous just based off the way fighting goes? Is there an AI system? With baseball, for example, Miles and I were talking about this. Umpires will get awards and shit after seasons or after specific games if they have a perfect scoring game. They never missed a pitch pitch every single pitch that they called was exactly what it was strike ball and i wonder if you could do the same thing so so they do this with olympic

boxing where they've they've done two things they've tried to take like the brutality out of the sport a little bit and made it more of like a point system yeah and the problem is you get the same amount of points for hitting a guy hard and soft. And we know in judging around, hitting a guy hard once is probably better than hitting them soft 15 times. Like if I crack you once. Damage, right? Damage. So it's a very hard thing to do with a point system. But once you add the point system in, it changes the way the fighters fight.

There are a lot of guys who are like Olympic style fighters who are really good at that style and then they go into the pros and they don't have these great careers. Interesting. David Cuban's a three-time gold medalist in heavyweight. He is amazing and no, he's not might not even go into the pros

because that style doesn't train, just to your point. Yeah, a lot of the Cuban guys, they have this incredible, I mean, they're like some of the most beautiful boxers. Just the way that they move, it's incredible. But when they go in there with a tough, in-your-face Mexican brawler who's not going to let them dance around and not going to care if he gets kicked with a couple of little paw jabs. What if you put a device in the gloves?

I've talked about that. That's what they do, yeah. Do they do this? They've done it with some tech, but what they do is they have five judges and they count punches. And if three of them agree that it's a punch, it's a punch. Or if three or more.

So that's how they count if it's... But if you actually had a machine in the gloves that it would be like, oh, this strike was this many... But what happens if that hits the glove? That was the problem. They presented it, and they're like, it's a foreign object, it's a foreign... Like, we want to go with you, but that's a foreign object.

You know, what do we do about this? If it hits the other person's glove. But then if the two chips meet, then it doesn't count. And then what happens if you have a malfunction? Do you have to rely on it? Is it just a backup? Yeah, that's a different thing. You might remember in olympic

gloves uh the part of it is white yeah that part must touch a certain part of the body and if it does it's a punch right and so i i mean just andrew's point like damage in the pros is number one but in the amateur it does not matter how hard or if it's just a flick if it touches you it's supposed to get a point which could just confuse it where sometimes that doesn't carry over sometimes it doesn't translate sports but judges kind of bug me like you know what i mean you watch gymnastics or like something like that or figure skating or like this is an awesome sport but the fact that it's so subjective is bothersome most unfair thing in the world right and a lot of sports are subjective right like this calls in this calls out but like you see it like leave someone's fingers the clock is still running and it goes in the hoop that's i think we watch sports for conquest

and none more so than fighting so if you're taking the ultimate conquest sport and then you're putting judges in it where it suddenly becomes a great i think that's the most so objective and so subjective at the same time yeah somebody steals a, does that make you mad? They steal your joke? Yes. Really? Why is that? Why is that? All we have is our IP. Uh-huh. And, I mean, there's other things that make you a great comedian, but the foundation of everything is your brain coming up with that idea,

writing that idea. We don't like the ghost writing type shit with, like, rappers. For me, it's like, how do you ever forgive that? Because, to me, the foundational aspect of a comedian is his brain and his idea now it's not yours that's unanimous i've never heard anybody except what you said so now i will say there are times where somebody might have an idea that you've had yeah but they didn't steal it yes of course that is not i mean it's frustrating because you're like damn man like i worked on this joke for so long. And then this guy kind of has something similar to it.

But when you know someone like saw you and then they're going to do the joke, that can be. And we've all gotten sensitive and overreacted to somebody having. And then you have to sit back and go, you know what? There's more than one person is going to have this idea. What about you? You must get inspired by somebody. So then that does that is your inspiration like what's it what's the rule there what is the rule there where it's it's an idea but it's not the same words and i'm just wondering yeah i mean everybody can joke around about trump yeah somebody's saying something about trump

doesn't mean it's like their okay their thing okay i mean you can do a trump impression and there can be someone else who doesn't trump impression that doesn't mean there's like stealing but i think it's different with like, if you're talking about a specific thing about your life. Sure. Yeah. And jokes have also pieces. He was like set up punchline tags and then multiple set of punchline tags

will make a chunk. And if someone has a different, you know, set up, but maybe a similar kind of punchline, you're like, all right, it might be a different joke.

Or if it's a similar setup and different punchlines, you're like, all right, it's a different joke. Yeah. So you can hear someone do a set up and be like, oh, I might go someplace different with this. Marriage is hard. A million different ways to deal with it.

That's a theme, though. I was just like a straight inspiration. Like in fighting, I've never created a move. I've stolen them all from somebody else. Sorry to interrupt. I thought it was honorable. As an analyst, you have very unique takes. Your takes make you great

at this. Now, if you suddenly saw somebody absolutely believe it and, yeah, if you saw somebody suddenly using your takes and getting notoriety,

you'd be driven fucking crazy. Like, these are my takes. That's what makes me great at this. What if someone's out there calling themselves the bad guy?

Yeah. The bad man, Inc. I hear you on that. Yeah. Every week, the same take you had just a couple hours later. guy? The bad man, Inc. I hear you on that. Every week, the same take you had just a couple hours later. Well, that's a great point. I never thought about that. He's always fighting to carry it to a minivan or whatever. The internet's going crazy. Maybe he's not as handsome or not as strong, but

people still watch him. Maybe his wife's not as hot. Definitely. But what if that happened, and then I go, hey, wait a minute, that's my son. And I go look at the guy, and he's got like a homage paid to me on his Twitter page. Like, hey, this is my favorite fighter, and therefore I'm copying his ideas. That does change things a bit, yeah. Okay, and what if he got this idea, and you're like, hey, man, it's basically what you said, and I loved it.

I've changed it just a little bit. What if you call the guy? There's ways to do it that are like, we talk it out, there's honorable. A girl DM'd me recently, and I have to watch the bit, but she was like, hey, I put this bit up. You have a similar joke in your special. Do you want me to take take out the line there's one line that's exactly like your whatever i have to watch the bit but it's like oh i respect off rip that she hit me up and out of that respect i might say just leave it up dude i appreciate you reaching out i have to watch the thing it's a girl like yeah i used it on these joke one time. Yes. But to pay a respect. I love.

What was the joke? So funny. I watched all of his stuff. He was with this girl and the girl's like, oh, man, I love. It's like we teleported to something. And he's like, and by the way, teleportation doesn't exist yet. You must be kind of stupid. I mean, real simple joke.

But I loved. Oh, my God. That is so funny. You know, it was just as great. Then it's something to do with bed sheets and something else. But I did that with the teleportationation and it did get to him and he did respond to it and he did not like that he did not take it as a an homage thing but he also i also didn't have an ability to tell him i didn't have an ability to go no wait a minute i ripped that

off i admit i read that but i i was trying to pay respect for you like you're kind of upcoming i watch all of your stuff it It's a great bit. Did you say it while you were saying the joke? I did the joke. I took, I mean, it's a little bit different words, but I used the, teleportation hasn't been invented yet. You must be kind of stupid.

I used the punchline, and I never paid it off. Hey, by the way, that's Aziz. But he wasn't really known yet. I had discovered it. So then when I had to meet the opportunity, I thought, what a great way to make friends with a guy. That's what I thought. You were helping.

If you caught a Z's, massive a Z's, friends with Kanye, friends with Jay-Z, he might not care as much. But when it's like, dog, I'm trying to make it in this business. I don't, I have nothing right now. And you're getting notoriety for this thing that's mine. And people are going to think it's yours

if I do it quite possibly. And you're going to pay $12 million for a fight. It's a whole different thing. That would change things. Yeah. Yes. So it's all, you know,

you got to look at the actual situation in three dimensions. Who do you think takes your stuff when it comes to analysis of the fight game? Well,

I didn't have anybody take it. Who's influenced by you? Who do you hate? Poor your baby. No one. Yeah, let's start some beef.

I've always taken it as a compliment, but it's the pro wrestling world. Who's the worst at the fight game? What do you think? In terms of an analysis? Yeah a compliment. Who's the worst at the fight game? What do you think? In terms of an analysis? Yeah, yeah.

Who's just the worst? Oh, my goodness. The worst. I mean, I hear some very bad reviews out there. And if I was to be real fair on who the worst was, it's a drunk guy. He gets drunk during the show. He's got gray hair. He's in boxing.

And he just simply should not be there. I want to call him Harold Letterman but I don't know if that's right. I don't want to do that to Harold. Sure, Harold. Whoever this guy was, he was interviewing Floyd one day and said, if I were 30 years young, do you remember that guy? No, that's not Harold. Was that Jim Lampley?

No, no, no. It was... Oh, God. I can't believe I'm forgetting this. Oh, God, God, God, God, God. Jim got drunk into some beat a woman thing, and he was innocent, and he kept his mouth. I don't know Jim Lampley, but I'm going to tell you this one thing about people that know him,

say he is such an honorable guy. It was like an ex-wife did something to him. Turned out to be totally untrue, and be cutting the kids or whatever. And he, to this day, took it on the chin, and it was not true. Wow. Yes.

They kicked him off of HBO. I remember that coming out. And he took it. He still never told him about it. What I just told him, this is the first and it was not true. They kicked him off of HBO. I remember that coming out. He still never told them about it. What I just told them is the first time that'll come public. He's never defended himself and neither has anybody else. He's been boxing. Larry Merchant. Thank you.

Harold Letterman's a fun guy. Actually, he comes in and gives the scores between rounds. I've got it six rounds of four. He simply does not know what he's talking about who who larry merchant he's 93 but he does have a presence you're beefing with a 93 right did you see you didn't like what he said to floyd yeah i didn't like that he did i was 30 years younger i would have whooped your ass. Yeah. That wouldn't have... No, you just bought someone else's. You would have been 60. Also, yeah, you would have been 50.

Yeah, 10 years ago or whatever. Jim Gray made his come up in spite by asking athletes hard questions in the moment. Pete Rose and some other things that come to mind. And I have a real problem with that. Yeah, yeah. Because there was a trust. They had an absolute trust

and agreed to the interview and everything's cool in the gang. You know, all the, hey, man, it's so good to see you. The camera goes on, he pulls the double cross to put himself over. Yeah.

And I have a problem with that. If you light up the interview, go ahead. If you're working for ESPN and they light up the interview, they use their content, so you're now not getting burned. You're not burning your Rolodex.

Yeah. You're burning them to put yourself, I just, I thought it was underhanded. I really did. Yeah, Jim Gray always seemed annoying. That is an interesting take. He did that to Pete Rose.

Pete agrees to this interview, and then he turns it right into the gambling. Why couldn't you just say this, Pete? Why couldn't you just say you did it and you're sorry? But it was to put him—and Pete's kind of caught off guard. Whether he had an answer to that or not, that wasn't what this interview was about. They were supposed to discuss baseball. I'm just saying, that has always bothered me, me that Jim has done and then taken a pride in it it's a strange thing

I think I've heard not great things about Jim as well just like behind the camera I'm fairly certain it's a cutthroat business he's done some stuff but that is an interesting thing this person has trained 8 weeks for this fight minimum

maybe 10 weeks maybe they've trained their entire life for this title match they win brain damage probably yeah brain they win and then they're in their moment of peak celebration and then he asks you this question that's like this hard-hitting almost gotcha yeah yeah i can see that as being kind of fucked up it is i really think it is in that moment and then intent matters too. And I could be reading Jim wrong, but it sure appears to me that he's asking those questions.

He's got them back. And they are designed to make him look like the tough question, the challenging, this and that. There's a cool moment in the Dana Lex Friedman podcast where he brings up that exact Larry Merchant moment. And he's like, I make sure the UFC commentators will never do any shit like that ever. Ever. Dana

has even taken heat. I think it's leadership when he does it, quite frankly, but he won't tell guys what they can't say at a press conference. If you want to look bad, but I'm not going to tell you what to say. That's awesome. Yeah, but that's because if he tells them what not to say, he's telling them what to say, and now you have a scripted promo.

Now you're in the wwe it's the same thing and i mean it really is a bit of a leap by me but i think you can see in that direction people what not to say you are telling them to say and he's just not touching that and that is not a political thing like people try to make it it's not a mean thing or even a fight promotion you know it's authentic and this is what it is don't bring that crap in here don't bring your ideas in your flat in your anything their reward system like the ufc reward system is quite brilliant they give financial rewards to the type of fights that they like yes that doesn't really exist in boxing as far as i'm concerned it's just get the win by any means necessary but the ufc is like even if you lose exciting, you're going to be back.

And you're going to get a fight of the night bonus for losing exciting. Right? So we reward you for winning in side fashion. And then also the people that they end up giving fights to and continue promoting lead themselves in a certain way. So the other fighters don't need you to tell them what to do. Just watch. Look at the people you admire. Look you to tell them what to do. Just watch. Look at the people you admire. Look at how they dress.

Look at how they talk. Look at the promos they're cutting. What are they doing on their own social media? Who are they meeting up with? What podcast are they going on? It's so interesting. You don't really need to tell people to behave in any way. Just reward the behavior that you like.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's really clever. That's exactly right you want to know a ticket i'm switching out to politics but do you want to know a ticket that i think would be hard to beat talk to me trump dana white whoa yeah i think as they go out and do media i've never seen anybody where they've tried to get you in gotcha moments and there's nothing that like dana who's president who's vp well that that's a prize trump trump would be one and dana would yeah and that would be uh little dana would be he might be willing to be their homies well there's about two people in the world that he would admit that he and trump just happens to be one of them who's

the other one the other one is frank fortino who. Senior. He also likes Frank, the son. But Dana would have done what Frank Senior told him to do. And I think that he would show a lot of respect to Donald Trump. That'd be, yeah, yeah. What is, I'm trying to think. What about that ticket? And Dana also sees he and Trump as really good friends. And I believe Trump sees Dana more as like a son.

Trump was very proud of dana actual that's that's not a word you're gonna use very often he was actually proud of dana for standing his ground for coming up for making this company for coming and would stay in touch with him he would like write dana letter here really yeah dana made the front page of a article and trump took that this way back before he you know he's just builder here and gave him a fight at ufc before ufc was big and they couldn't really get sanctions fights anywhere yeah at the Taj Mahal and came decades 15 15 20 years ago whatever all six hours and the Trump kids do that same damn thing I don't know what that is I don't know if that's political or what but when they go to an event you know everybody comes in right at the last minute particularly the famous

people yeah the Trumps and this includes the kids come for the first fight and they do not leave that's classic yeah six and a half hours and they do not leave. That's classic. Six and a half hours and they do it all the time. I would absolutely come to the main event. Donald Trump came to the NCAA wrestling last year. I don't know what level of fan. And he came to the whole goddamn thing. Wow.

That's a long day. And he did not even look like he wanted to leave. It was just a nice thing to do, quite frankly. He got no press for that. Nobody even knew that he went there. The wrestlers. And I don't know what that is. I don't know if that's just a politeness or a fan. I'm just sharing that he does it when he comes to football games.

He does not leave. He stays until there's some etiquette. Yeah, UFC really locked in. Which is, if you go to boxing matches, and I'm a boxing guy. I come from a boxing background. But if you go to a boxing match, that place is empty until the headlining fight. UFC, you will go there. I try to get to every UFC event that I

go to for the entire main event, which is what, maybe like six cards sometimes, six fights? How many is the... The main card is five. Five, five. And then maybe three or four of the prelims. That's what I'm trying to get there.

That place is packed when I walk in every single time. Packed. Yeah, it's crazy. Packed. And I think it goes to unpredictability. Sure. It's the same thing we're talking about with the star power. Any UFC fight could go any different way.

And even if I don't know the guy's fucking names, it could go any way. You know on those prelims in a boxing card that there is a tomato can versus a rising star. Every single one of them is supposed to go one way. And it's going to be an absolute dominant performance. So why do I even need to watch this shit? I don't need to see a guy that I don't even know dominate some tomato can. Yeah, sure. Also, boxing, only two things can happen, three things.

It's either a knockout, it's either a TKO, it's either a decision, or it's like, that's basically it, right? Yeah. Whereas with, I don't know, UFC or MMA or anything else, you can have so many different ways that it could end. Yeah. Do you feel safer boxing?

Well, it's very... Kind of interesting, interesting right like yeah the gloves are bigger in some degree on the other side you're only allowed to bludgeon there's nothing else that will happen so even if maybe they're not as hard or at least in theory at least in theory there'd be more padding there's sure going to be a lot more of them that's the only thing that there's going to be um yes what's the answer to your question you do right like i do even in practice but but as i break it down in my head, it's like, I think I should have a little bit more of a fear. You should, but you're not going to get elbowed in your fucking head and cut your thing open. Right. Bleeding.

Or if you go down, he's not jumping on top of you. You give me just a second to, you know, configure. What is the most painful thing you've ever felt in your fight career? Oh, man. I had, and it's still out to this day, I had a rib that came out. figure so what is the most painful thing you've ever felt in your fight career oh man i had uh really and it's still out to this day i had a rib that came out and uh one of the more painful it hurt very bad but being at the doctor's i remember the doctor said there's no way to reset it there's no cast we can put it in and he said it's going to continue to hurt until your nerve

endings rub on each other and die and i said said, like, that statement is what hurt. Like, I was in the doctor. Wow. Fuck me. Yeah. Crazy. You can't breathe when the rib is out. And a guy landed on me.

I was in, I was wrestling for the Pac-10 championship against a guy named Rusty Cook. And we went to the mat when we went down. It went out. And right at the beginning of the match, I got him on his back. If I could have pinned him, like, pinned him, it wouldn't have mattered. But I didn't pin him. He, Rusty Cook, was tougher than hell.

I wonder sometimes what he is doing these days. But at any rate, that hurt really bad. Yeah, the rib hurt really bad. And then a broken nose hurt really bad. Broke my nose in practice. Seth Roy, my teammate, threw a punch and his elbow came through. Boy, when they reset it by the way it hasn't gotten any better than when our

grandparents did this, they put two rods up your nose and they start chopsticks but they're metal and they start twisting, oh my goodness that hurts when they reset it, oh they shove the oh golly, hurts this is a question I just had based on something you said

the part that's hardest for me to watch with UFC is when the guy is out, and which you brought up, the guy gets on top of him, and you have to knock out a guy that's already unconscious, most likely to win. Is there any chance you think there's like a count that UFC goes to where it's like, you got five seconds or six seconds or whatever, maybe not 10, seven seconds if you're down on the ground to get up or whatever? Because that seems unnecessary. Yes.

Well, they sure could if there was any kind of a safety. I fully agree with you. And those referees are so good. So fat. Yeah, sure. There's no way you can jump in there. I mean, I was so happy that Izzy beat Pereira,

but that punch when he's on the ground, unnecessary. Sure. The knockout, I was thrilled. This was just like, in general. It's just hard because if they're not clearly out, they can be taking guard and then you don't really know. The Dan Henderson bisping one,

is that the only thing? Dan came down and clobbered. You have to do it to win. It was fair and square. The ref hadn't stepped in. I've seen guys pull back. I've seen guys pull back. I've also seen guys pull back and then, by the way, not get the finish to your point.

And they go, oh, no. There was a fight recently. 300. Moikano. Yes. Moikano Jalen Turner. Yes. Turner thought he dropped him and it was going to be game over.

He doesn't game over him. Moikano ends up winning the fight. Turner walked away. That's what I'm saying. If there's a count or something that's in place where it's like, this is the rule, and this is going to piss off a lot of UFC fans, I admit I'm a big pussy.

I just don't like seeing that because you're watching, most likely, extra brain damage for no reason. That is a great point by you. I think that's very fair. Yeah, it's just rare. I would say that it's so rare. And also when you're in the heat of the moment,

like a lot of times this happens. I know you're probably talking about a standing knockout into a drop. Yeah, I mean, Stoutbender and Pereira is the fight that's coming to my mind. Pereira's out and Izzy has to to win. I remember Joe Rogan called it a hammer fist from the gods. But like this guy's unconscious and you have to.

Sure. If you're wondering for a real answer, like the only way they would change something if there was like some data from a medical perspective, and it's actually been the opposite on that. Now, they are comparing themselves to boxing, which is the most dangerous. Oh, yeah, the micro-concussions.

That's right. Like offensive linemen in the NFL. Yes, and they've actually proven that bringing those guys up and sending them back out there, as opposed to letting that finish, and it comes to a conclusion. So I'm going gonna guess not but i mean you make a fair point if it became a habit they would do something what happens in boxing

right is you get that huge shot that makes you it concusses you right and then they stand you back up if you can and then you get another huge shot not even 100 another big one oh yeah oh yeah you know and then you're concussed again whereas with the ufc you're gonna get hit again while you're on the ground but ideally it's not like that henderson bisping yeah some of those were fucking do you remember like ever crushing somebody's uh nose or like bones when you were hitting them does that go through your brain when you're fighting at all no not not in fighting where i felt it i did one time again go back to a wrestling match uh it was it was my own nose i i did the technique it's called a belly

back i did the move as my office but his body came down and it's a very unique sensation it's gross it's really gross like anybody that tells you that they liked her they enjoyed it or it's where i took his soul and i was like i'm like i'll see him doing i go okay now that's an interview right you're not actually a psychopath like i wonder that sometimes about fighters so i enjoyed it i loved everything man linda won the soccer kick and his wife having to console him like he is such a gritty competitor though like the harder the match the better for him like in the back he was he was getting excited hey there noodle dick i'm talking to you and And me.

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and you get a free gift with your Journey Pack if you order today. Now let's get back to the show. Have you seen any of these Russian or Romanian UFC? It's not UFC, but they're MMA fights that have different kinds of matchups. Four on four, boys against girls. Guys in a car. Yes. Jiu-Jitsu in a car is crazy. Wait, that's a real thing?

Car jiu-jitsu. Yes. It's like a fight. I don't know why they call it jiu-jitsu. I mean, they're fighting. And then the one that's crazy is there was a dude that fought two chicks. Yep. And he's just this fat, pot-bellied...

Look at this guy. Hold on, let me pull this up. This is wild. This is in romania with their version of the ufc i don't even want to say ufc because i don't know if they want yeah mma their version of their version of it and uh this guy takes on two girls i don't know anything about who these people are now you're first i'm going to tell you what you're thinking right now you're thinking over there is this wrestling is this? And we've all asked ourselves this, and we've all watched it repeatedly.

No. No, it's not. This is crazy. He goes up, under. He is trying to hurt them. How do you get a guy to agree to do that? What kind of a man would go in there and do that? I think it's easier to convince him.

I think there's a lot of guys. Convincing the girls is the hard part. Yeah, I would imagine they're right. You know, you give them the head here and the whatnot, but I mean, what guy wants to go? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, he wanted more.

Look at him now. It would seem like you're preying upon somebody that's maybe not in a full capacity, which is a pretty slimy move. So that's the question. Event promoter to do. Is this inevitable? Is this like an indication of the end of an empire? maybe not in a full capacity, which is a pretty slimy move. That's the question. Is this inevitable? Is this an indication of the end of an empire?

What's happening here? It's the opposite. They used to do stuff like this, and then commissions stepped in. It was small stuff. You couldn't get on TV with things like that, but it was small shows would do that or a man against woman fight. Then commissions kind of balled. It was one of the absolute first things they stopped there would be no such thing as a two-on-one you

wouldn't even ask a commission it wouldn't be gender-based but there would also not be you know man versus woman or heavyweight that guy was clearly heavyweight versus you know some 35 pounders i'm just sharing that no i don't think this is the direction we're going it's it's actually it's very funny how history repeats itself. I mean, this is where we started and came out of that, at least in civilized territory. Oh yeah, here's the car jujitsu thing. That's crazy.

Okay, so this is what I assume it is. That's just roughhousing with your friend. Yeah. Is that how you do it? Give me my phone back. Come on. I think this is what happens when when like, for example,

comedy is huge right now. So there's all these different versions of comedy that are like comedy adjacent that can pop up. And they can be popular to a certain extent as well. And fighting, I think, is huge right now. So these are other people trying to drift off of fighting.

Sure. That's what I assume. Not drift, drift. Drift, yeah. So it's like... If you can't be better, be different, right? Exactly. But because there is a lust to see fight sports right now,

it's like, okay, well, what can we do that's kind of like that? If fighting was way less popular, the UFC is not as big as it is, Bellator, PFO, all these different things aren't out there, I don't think you're seeing these iterations. You're still trying to make kickboxing a thing. You're still trying to make Muay Thai a thing. But the fact that it's so massive. I mean, even kickboxers are making money now.

Kickboxers weren't making money. It's true. These Muay Thai guys, they weren't making money. Sure. Andrew Tate, we talked about that. Three grand was his, I money. It's true. Like these Muay Thai guys, they weren't making money. Sure. Andrew Tate, we talked about that, three grand was his, I think his biggest pay

to be a champion four times. I just wonder if the human brain gets so used to stimulus that you just need another version of it. And someone will bring up kind of like a morally justifiable version of this,

whether it's not men versus women specifically, but like if it's like, yeah, these two women want to fight in America and you can listen to them and they're like, I want to beat this guy up and it's somewhat of a level matchup where it's like, you know, two women want to fight in America and you can listen to them and they're like, I want to beat this guy up.

And it's somewhat of a level matchup where it's like a flyweight dude and two women. We did it with the guy, the wrestler's name was Chyna. Chyna fought. The pro wrestler Chyna? Yeah, the female. She fought the husband of the lady

that was shot in Long Island or something? Yes, she did. Joey Bonifuco. Holy shit. Oh my God. Great recall. Yes. She fought Joey Bonifuco?

I'm almost positive. Didn't he get shot in the head or something like that? No. The mistress shot the wife in the head. And Joey knew nothing about it. He actually stayed with the wife. He didn't know who the mistress was. I mean, that was his story. He didn't know who the mistress was. I mean, that was his story.

He didn't know who she was. And Joey had owned an auto body shop. And he had a shirt made for his auto body, a Bonifuco body shop. But the wife had like made it. She only made one or two. It was like, you know, let's start. And the mistress had the shirt.

So Joey didn't even know her. I mean, he went that far. I was like, oh my God, I've known her. But this didn't... He didn't even know her. And the wife's like... She stood by him. So Joey didn't even know her. He went that far. I was like, oh my God, I've known her. But this didn't happen. He didn't even know her. And the wife's like, she stood by him. And she didn't turn him in. But the wife's like, she has that shirt.

She has that shirt. She goes, I only have one of those, man. That's actually from a miniseries movie. So I added that from the movie. But they said that that actually happened. Wow. All right, so this is Botafogo. But that's not China, is it?

Yeah. Andrew, is that China? Yeah, I remember China being way bigger. Amazing to remember that. I didn't even know this happened. Yeah. Look at him. Yo, that's how much steroids has improved.

Have we confirmed that's Joni? China used to be huge in my head, but if that's how she's... I think she was huge compared to girls. Yeah, Joni, Buttafuoco. I don't know. And why did they agree to it? Like, who wanted to see it?

That is her, brother. I mean, this was during the celebrity boxing thing. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, this was a celebrity boxing match? Yeah.

Okay. So celebrity boxing kind of popped out. It wasn't commissioned by the Nevada State. I don't know. Because she was a real deal, not a boxer. No, celeb boxing popped for a second, It wasn't commissioned by the Nevada State. I don't know. Because she was real deep.

Not a boxer. No, celeb boxing popped for a second, but it didn't have the influencer draw. Yeah. And the influencer draw is interesting because you know exactly how many people more or less care about the individuals. They had to guess. They're like, will people care about Chyna and Joey Buttafuoco? And they did for this one, but other ones I don't think.

I care and we're 10 years later. This has been 20 years later. Yeah, it's crazy. What year is this from, but other ones I don't think. I care and we're 10 years later. This has been 20 years later. Yeah, it's crazy. What year is this from, Mark? 2003. Oh, so she was already big at this point. She had done the WWE thing, yeah. She had a book.

Okay, what celebrity are you getting? Trips used to tag that. Trips was into a girl that looked like a boy. Who's Trips? Triple H is his name. Oh, yeah, Triple H. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were together. They were engaged,

and Stephanie, yeah, Farran Square, became the other woman. Yeah. Farran Square? Well, it's Farran Square, but, you know, when Trips goes and does it with Stephanie... I've never heard of it's just taking a man and being described as Farran Square. Stephanie doesn't, like, get to become... She did that to somebody else, and then she's upset

that... The possession's nine-tenths of the law. That's right. Not for nothing. Did he cheat on her as well? Many times. He stopped fishing off the company pier. I mean, it's what they do over there. What do you think

what happened to Vince? I went on the Jim Rome show and this was over a year ago. Vince just got hit. It was like six months ago. I'm making up a number, but it kind of feels like about six months ago. And I told Jim Rome and, but it kind of feels like about six months ago.

And I told Jim Roman, it was the middle of a smack-off where he talked trash anyway, but I said, I never met Vince and I know 11 people that he slept with, eight of them men all consent, or eight of them women all consenting adults,

which is the implication to Vince. But that's true. That wasn't the joke. And Jim wouldn't run it. It was too hot. He said, man, we can't do it. Like, oh, Jim, I wasn't joking. I was talking trash, but I wasn't joking.

Yeah. And anyway, I mean, when Vince got Me Too out of the business, I did think it was a surprise. But as good as he is, I would not completely count that he couldn't come back. When the men start coming out, it will be a different story. Wait, wait, he used to bang dudes a lot? Oh, yeah. But he would hold their careers over them, just like he would the women. It was the same thing.

You get paid more, you get pushed more. This is not a secret in the industry. Like, I'm not talking trash right now. Yeah, not at all am I talking trash. This was very well known. Sure. Yeah, V. Diddy. Sure.

But, I mean, Shawn Michaels, like, guys that you would know. There was things that had to be done. Wait, he was banging Shawn Michaels? Well, or whatever it is that they, but yes, they had their, they had their relationship. Shawn Michaels was pretty good. Because you're wondering if I'm like, he looks like he's doing a bit. Long hair.

Yeah, long hair. It's cute. What about ravishing Rick Rude or whatever? I don't remember him. Yeah, Razor Ramon. If you had a bad one, who would it be? He was...

China? Are you saying like if you had that perhaps Michaels was the right choice? If you're Vince, who are you choosing okay well wow that's always boxing mma whatever you know community i'm trying to how to think of anth without sounding gay but it's it's almost like i don't want to do that yeah i'm trying to think of how to do that i don't like ray mysterio so you don't have to see his face. Now that's a stud answer right there. I was trying to process something.

But then that's one of the things. There is a lot of homosexuals that Vince came across. But there was also straight guys that just wanted to push in the business. It turned into prostitution. That was very well known. And not just Vince. Pat Patterson and some other executives. And the world was different.

Even Harvey Weinstein talked about that on Howard Stern. Like, hey, it's a different world. I liked it more when it was back then. What I'm saying is, I'm trying to illustrate that that is not a secret. Harvey Weinstein said that. Yeah, Harvey. Oh, okay. Harvey even said that.

He's like, well, you know, it was a better way like that back then. Back when we could give him a job. He openly spoke about it. So Vince was clapping. Hold this is let me understand so vince was clapping dude cheeks and girl cheeks yes for pushes though see that pushes that also didn't used to be illegal but but now yes if you somebody's career dangles on that and he would tell i mean everybody would know this girl turned me down she's pulled off tv so then he goes to the next one yeah but it is everything or it's it's i think it's just power like i want to lord this power over you i'm going to make you do things you don't want to do as a dude especially he probably got off more on

that just off of look the power he felt no i get it but none of that is out there was there was people speculate that psychology yeah there's things that you can't buy when you're a billionaire so then you start seeing how far can I go with things that I can buy and that sociopathy often like pushes people who are also talented

to the top but it's just say allegedly around all that yeah allegedly yeah allegedly I've talked to some people

in wrestling and they were like those texts are we all 100% believe it's real because I was like what eight year old text I mean what a grown man texts like that

it's an eight year old texting with a U for Y like instead of Y-year-old text, I mean, what a grown man texts like that. It's an eight-year-old texting with a U for Y, like instead of Y-U, U capitalizations off. He's like the big, everybody knows it's real because that's exactly how. Sure, sure. And yeah, it really wasn't, yeah, I mean, that was internal. That was his own kids. They knew that that

was happening. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not a secret. Like the woman in the office is doing the least and we all park in the same lot and she's the one that pulls into the nicest car like there was ones before her but they got old and they lost it and now she's the one and then you know she got a little bit older and and so he started bringing in other ones and so then she started to run out of money like this wasn't this wasn't something that was uh uncommon over there vince talk about this he had told razor ramon uh rest his soul, in my first homosexual experience. And he went from there.

Razor said, I didn't know. That's how he revealed it to me. Vince has spoke about this a number of times. And people have always thought that he was joking. He was never trying to joke. He was just telling the story. Wait, what is it? Okay, so basically he says, this is Vince speaking.

He goes, let me tell you about my first homosexual experience. I sitting me and kevin were both sitting in vince's office at tv i looked at kevin my first thought was as opposed to your most recent one like you and warrior on the bearskin rug he was talking about when he was living in north carolina he was hitchhiking one time and i don't know anything about vince's past but i'm thinking hitchhiking from where the pool to the country club like what he said some guy picked him up and was like rubbing his hand on his leg i'm thinking okay now you told me what does this have to do with wrestling but i remember being really resistant to it this wasn't the way we were doing business yeah yeah no that it's a it's a well-known story and i i only say that vince is so good and he's so clever i mean he got in really big trouble i threw him out of

the company he found a way back in yeah how did grew a mustache not completely unlike but then there was a new guy but anyway he was a new guy might be something out there he changed his name

you know now he's Uncle Vinny I can't remember what he said but he changed his name and then he would even talk about that guy a year ago that Vince McMahon yeah what a scumbag he is gone now

I am here what is he the greatest of all time character builder Vince is the greatest heel of all that wrestling's ever seen okay and why why he's outside of all the fucked up shit he is uh alleged to have done explains me just why at his job he's the greatest heel and why do people look at him revere him and so much in terms of building he just understood a psychology i mean

he could create so much heat he he versus hogan was like the biggest wrestlemania of all time and vince wasn't even a wrestler but you know there was something about boss for him versus stone cold was these great angles but he would come out and walk in certain ways he would brag about being a billionaire i mean guys with money mint romney ran for president and tried to downplay himself like all right let's go to nascar and i eat kfc like you never do that this was one of the first billionaires to say, I have more than you and I am better than you because of it. I will buy you and you will do what I say. He came

out and did that. He said, don't call me Vince. You call me Mr. McMahon. Then he has his own walk. It was just one of these things where you hated this guy. This guy was awful. He would blur the lines where he would come out and say things on TV as part of that character that he actually did to people behind the scenes. He would come out and say things on TV as part of that character that he actually did to people behind the scenes.

He would come out and say, you're going to do this. I'm going to pull your push. I'll take you off TV. I'll put you over here. I decide who makes it in this business. And it was all real things. But he played into it. He turned himself up.

And he was just a great heel. Another one you might remember, but Ted DiBiase. Yeah. The Million Dollar Man. Yeah. But he would do this. Ted DiBiase's character as the million dollar man largely is what Vince actually

was. Vince just made himself the billion dollar man. Ted DiBiase was hated. He would pay you to, you know, went to a hospital his fingers cut. So there's a line of kids in this vignette. This is such a great vignette. And they're like broken arms and stuff. Kids in wheelchairs. Kids that need to

get to the emergency room. Vince cuts the line. They won't let him. Ted or Vince? I'm sorry, Ted. He gives them $1 million. Then he gives them $200, $300, $400. Until they finally let him cut in front of all these people so he can get a Band-Aid.

And he turns into a line of kids that look like an orphan. Everybody has a price for the million-dollar man. And it was the... Oh, my God. Perfect file. That's the problem? Yeah. That's it. He cut the line. He has is virgil he's paying the money it really was unbelievable at what age do you realize the importance of the heel yeah because as a kid i think we would look at these heels and we're unaware that they're we know that they're fake but we truly don't like them yep and now i

feel like the heel we like to not like, we enjoy to boo them. We're in on the game, but it's still a game. There's a transition that happens. For you, is it young? Are you watching these guys and going, well, I know they're the bad guy, but I kind of like them? No, no, I didn't get it. I didn't get it until college age. When I came back, now I had left wrestling and I left it in middle school. I didn't get it until, you know, college age. Oh, wow. When I came back. Now, I had left wrestling. I left it in middle school. I didn't do it in high school. But when I came back in college, and that was the Attitude Era. That's when Austin had gotten fired.

Yeah. Came over to the band. When The Rock, you know, went from being a football player whose grandparents used to wrestle to The Rock. The Rock. You know, they had to rebuild. Hogan and everybody had left. It was a really interesting time. WCW versus WWE.

Like, that was a really, talk about an industry to study. But that's when I came back and yeah, that's when I started to get it and enjoy it. When I was a younger kid, I thought, yeah, I believed it. I believed it. I thought it was real. I remember The Rock being the person that made me be like, oh, the heel is fire.

It was so funny. A cool heel is the most monetizable thing in the industry, in any sporting industry. It's very rare, but if you have a cool heel, that's money. The Rock would go into that category. Austin would go into that category. So you have the bad guy,

but he still looks cooler. Why was Austin a bad guy? I remember when Rock was a bad guy. I don't remember Austin as a bad guy. Austin? Oh, yes. Austin, oh yes. Austin, they were going to throw him on TV. Yeah, he said ass. Yep. He loves ass.

I remember the turning point. He used the middle finger. The turning point was right when my brother started watching wrestling, so I started, was he fought Triple H in a submission match, and then they had him turn face because he just wouldn't quit. Like he's bleeding from the head, refuses to tap out, and that's when everybody, they start celebrating and building him up as a face. But he still keeps this.

Yeah, remember that blood? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible. So cool heel. And can you manufacture cool heel? Or is that you just are cool and you end up being a heel? I would think McGregor would go into cool. 1,000%.

Yeah, by the way. I would ride into your favel yeah by the way um i would ride into you i would ride into your favela on horseback yeah and cut off the head of any man not fit to work yeah wow yeah what a what a oh my god take the women and children and cut off the head if this was back in the day yeah the mcgregor clan would ride into your favela on horseback yeah claim not only would he do it that his ancestors did do it. That's a heel move. The Irish ancestors went to Brazil,

immediately got skin cancer. Well, you were asking about Austin. Austin had come out and said the word ass, and that had never been done. Oh, my God. They thought they were

going to have to pull him off TV. This was on a pay-per-view on a Sunday. Vince was irate. So he looks rebellious he's fighting against the company and it actually was oh he wouldn't it's called going to business for yourself where there is a script and you're live on tv and he did not follow the script he

knew i could be fired or i'm gonna make it but i'm going to business i'm taking a chance here i'm against you but i think i'm right i think i know this audience and then vince knows heat yes so he sees the heat that comes off of it. And instead of firing, he goes, give them the fucking reins. It was on a Sunday at a pay-per-view. They got to catch a plane. They're live in a town for Monday night, raw the next night. And Vince was going to pull him.

And when he said the word ass, he also said, well, he said, Austin 316 says, I just whipped your ass. When they got to the arena the next night, they had 316 signs everywhere. And Vince was like, you. Yeah, he was going to keep them in the back. He's like, you. But when he saw the signs. Yep, he realized this worked. And then he kept doing it.

And then there was even this weird time where every wrestler started saying ass. It's like, no, guys, stop. That's his thing. But at that point, there was good guys and bad guys. Oh, for sure. He, you didn't know where he was. He hated the good guys.

He hated the bad guys. He was the first guy ever. He hated them all. He stood by himself. Awesome. Yes. Against the bad guys, the good guys, everybody got the middle finger. And that had never been done.

Didn't he do that on USA? Yeah. That's crazy. Remember they blurred out? Yeah. Yeah, you couldn't do that. So funny. Drinking beer and stuff. I mean, now these are crazy. Remember they blurred out? Yeah, you couldn't do that. Drinking beer and stuff. I mean, now these normal things. But if you had to liken

yourself and your character, if you will, as you played throughout your career, who would it be most similar to? Definitely a collection of a number of people, but I would definitely ask myself, what would Stone cold do in like this

situation i would sometimes even call stone cold and say oh really situation how would you handle this like the character specifically your character how would that happen so but any advice he gave you that was great and he well he he gave me a couple of promos uh for john jones um yeah he did which It was more ideas. In fact, I ended up not even using it. I called him and he answered the phone. And I told him, hey, man, I got to take on this guy. He's a lot younger and he's bigger.

And he says, you know, I'm driving down the road right now. There's a two-lane road with a yellow stripe in the middle. Reminds me of Jon Jones. Got that yellow stripe right down his back. And he just starts cutting a promo, but it's like what's actually happening. He's just thinking as he's talking and taking the time to give this to me. But it was more to just kind of turn my

brain on to what a promo was. To what people wanted to hear so that it didn't sound like a... I don't see a lot of fighters that will have one line, and they'll drop that one line and the crowd does nothing, and then they're not ready for the follow-up question and so then they drop the energy and the character and they just go back to themselves and it's just

this awkward but I wish the person interviewing would have just dropped the mic and go it's worse when they hit that line and then they come out of it you know the other side we were talking about interviews earlier but the UFC everybody gets the same

amount of time after after the main event you win and i do think connor should get triple the time or or rampage who had something that should have got triple the time and i've never understood that why are you cutting his mic we're all here to hear this moment everyone else gets 30 seconds he doesn't he gets five minutes give him the mic back yeah they don't do that rampage another one by the way. Rampage is great. But, like, you never know what he's going to say. How sharp are the WWE guys in terms of developing their character?

Is a lot of it sort of prescribed by Vince or by, like, Upper Brass? Or is it them actually developing the actual ins and outs? They are expected to do it. And it's one thing the guys that go into that business do not know. Like, you could be a huge star. And Vince might give you something. Like, Vince wants a guy that does X, Y, or Z. Vince likes to take real-life characters,

and then the IRS. Everybody's scared of the IRS, so Vince creates a guy called Irvin R. Scheister, IRS. It was just smart things like this. People hate the rich guy and the million-dollar man. I mean, Vince was very good at that, and he would tell you, but it was very limited, and then there would be, as they said it, there'd be a wardrobe guy there, then the the sound guy would be there so then you go

talk with wardrobe about what you need and you and the sound guy try to figure out how to do that and that's it and it even works or it doesn't if you do a great job at it and it's Vince's idea and it doesn't get over you're out I mean it's it's a really big deal but the wrestlers a lot of times don't know that they don't know the psychology they don't know you know when I show up I'm in charge of this Hacksaw Jim D duggan had to go to the two by four and make sure he had you know these gimmicks or guys that were changed they they had to bring that themselves and if they forgot it and didn't have their gimmick that night they're not going to get over and they could be out the door so it is very incumbent on upon them to take you whether it's

acting classes or whatever it might be and And ripping guys off in WWE is encouraged. Like, hey, go take a movie and find a character and then just come out and be that guy. Razor Ramon, who I mentioned earlier, but he had watched Scarface. He was Cuban and say hello to the bad guys. It was very simple, but he stole that from the movie and didn't hide that fact.

Interesting. Do you feel like there's an interplay with UFC or actual mixed martial arts guys and WWE guys in terms of respect? hide that fact. Interesting. Do you feel like there's like an interplay with like UFC or like actual mixed martial arts guys and WWE guys in terms of respect? Like do WWE guys see them and be like,

yeah, but you're a real fighter. Yes. And then do the fighters look at them and be like, yeah, but you can sell anything. You're the best. Yes. Yes.

And I think it's more us. I think fighters, if they got a chance to go to WWE would, I don't think WWE would come over and fighters watch WWE and appreciate it.

And not everybody in WWE does. That includes Vince. Vince was so locked on his product. He legitimately did not know other sports and who is who, whether that's for better or worse. He was an animal, by the way. I wasn't trying to tease him or anything, but when you talk about could Vince come back,

he's come back from everything. And I think he's trying to come back now. I think he's still trying to work in. You know, Ronda Rousey and other people in that company say he's still the one calling Bruce Prichard. He's still calling the shots. Really? And, you know, whether that's true or Trips has, you know, put his foot down, but I don't know. I don't know.

I think that Vince is trying to come back. Would you be involved in wrestling? How is that not? I would be involved to a degree. Do you see what Pat McAfee is doing? Amazing. Yeah, it is amazing. What a growth by Pat McAfee. That guy came out of nowhere.

Yeah. At least for me. They said he used to kick. I can't tell you what team. Yeah, NFL player. Yeah, no, no. Works his ass off, though. But I don't know.

He's a kicker. I don't know what team. Maybe I'm being naive, but I'm just saying I don't know he's a kicker I don't know maybe I'm being naive but I'm just saying I don't know a lot about him but I sure know about him now I mean he got like a hundred million dollar deal at ESPN

he's doing the WWE thing I'm sorry to interrupt greatest likable heel we've ever seen Donald Trump fucking president of the United States likable heel

cool heel I mean cool heel yeah you will not convince me that Vince McMahon did not run that campaign in 2016. I was just going to ask you, do you think Trump learned from Vince anything? I believe Vince ran that.

I believe Vince was the greatest influence. Vince's number one thing, I mean, yes, it is business and entertainment, but it's psychology. Vince is taking a product that he's telling you is fake and then making you cry when your guy doesn't win because you forgot that it's fake and buy a t-shirt on your way out.

I mean, his ability to understand psychology, you might remember when Trump had the tape came out with Billy Bush and he was going to grab him. And then the three chicks showed up. That was 11 days before the campaign. Just to remind you, it was over. I remember where I was when I got the phone call. It was over.

Everyone pulled out. Guys that had put money in didn't send the checks. They canceled the check. It was over. Vince McMahon put $8 million in. Whoa. With 11 days left, Vince sent him $8 million. Vince is the only person to send him.

And why, why, why? What was his, was he like, I think. Vince said, we're not losing. He said, we're not losing. This is, this is not, we're not losing. It's not over yet. Not, not even, not even close. And, and, and when Trump This is, we're not losing. It's not over yet. Not even close. And when Trump got in, there was no mention of this,

but I mean, you know, he had catchphrases. Yeah, he had lock them up. He started giving them nicknames. He started having, you know, the same songs. It was like walkout music. And, you know, he's having chants from the crowd. It was, his campaign was exactly the way Vince promotes a WrestleMania.

And I do mean exactly. And then as soon as Trump got hired, it was on the first Vince promotes a WrestleMania. And I do mean exactly. And then as soon as Trump got hired, it was on the first day, which is not literal, but it was one of his first assignments, was Linda. She got appointed small business, which is what Vince, Vince just wants her gone. He just wants her out of the house, right?

He got the boys and girls could just get her to DC. Oh, Linda's his wife. Yeah. Oh, he hires her. Oh. Yeah, right away. away i mean and i mean like that just pointed yeah which by the way was a good was a good appointment yeah she's she's solid she's real no it's it's very interesting and one of the reasons i keep bringing fence up because i felt like we were talking about psychology or like connor you know we started

with that why does that formula work yeah and it And it's like, well, this is the master. This is the, Vince is truly, he can evoke that emotion. He can sell out arenas. It's a stunning thing. So that's the thing that impresses me about Vince and other people that can curate this type of promotion. There are certain people who are superstars and that's not to say that they don't know it

and they can lean into it and create these moments. But there are some people that can't help themselves, right? They're just saying outlandish things all the time. They just have no filter. We don't really know how in control of Tyson's celebrity he is. I have great admiration for what he's achieved. But there might be things that he says that he is not trying to be entertaining to become the most entertaining things. Everything Vince has done is curated.

That, to me, is the most impressive. When you are making the things that we usually only like when they're authentic. Up to a year in advance. I mean... Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. It truly is a stunning thing. And then adapting through different times. I mean, Vince had to appeal to junior high kids. Since we're kids. And now it's not junior high kids. And now you're carrying them. Yeah.

So, I mean, different markets and different times. I waited online to buy a book for The Rock where he was doing a signing, a tower book. Do you remember Tower? Yeah. And I remember just sitting there. I wait online. I've seen this massive line around the block book for the rock where he was doing a signing a tower books remember tower yeah and i remember just saying there i wait online i've seen this massive line around the block where they're like kids that are buying books this is before the harry potter era where like reading was like cool

this is during the era where like oh reading for nerd like you were like almost rejecting anything that had like an intellectual like a spin to it we. We're on lines by this fucking The Rock book. And I'm sitting there and I'm like a kid. So you're not really reflecting on it that much. But I'm like, what the fuck is going on? On the line, people are practicing their rock impressions. Because they're going to do it. When they get to him?

It doesn't matter. And I'm looking at this and this is all. Now, obviously tons of credit to The Rock for this. But there's also credit for the boss of recognizing what he has and leaning into it he i i obviously the guys i don't know has he been booked for the shit that he did you know is the is he uh did he go to jail for any of the things he did no no no nothing no not even facing that it's not even facing okay so but you'd still want to sit down you want to have one of these combos where it's just like break down what you know

about human beings. The first time you sat down here, that was the first thing I asked. I was like, you get something. You get something about human beings that gives you a huge advantage in this game that these other guys try to create. And you called it out about the post-fight conference. They're like, okay, if I have my one witty line, I'm good. I don't see you break character during that, during the post fights. Right.

Like I'll look at your post fights, Joe will ask you a question, it don't matter what he asks you. You're going to say what the fuck you're going to say. That's right. And I appreciate that, yeah. And I tell people,

don't answer, you're not here to answer questions, you're here to handle questions. Like let him ask the question, and then here's, here's what you, you know, go right into.

And you're right, I never broke character because I was always ready for it. But I wanted more. I was disappointed when Rogan would bring the mic down. I was like, no, more. Like, this is fun. The fight's not fun. That's the scary part.

This is the fun. I got the crowd. Like, this is my moment. When they ended, I mean, that's when you feel, OK, it's over. And now I got to redo this whole thing just to get those 90 seconds the only part of this i enjoyed was those 90 seconds and and now they're gone so why don't you be part of wrestling in some way to me it's just such a no-brainer you understand psychology of it you already have the mic skills you have the athleticism if you need to do it but you could also do something to what like vince and now I guess what Triple H are doing where it's not as much active actual wrestling and it's more

character building I I had uh tried to pursue that at one time I was still in college uh WCW yeah and they had something called a power plant and they would advertise it right during wrestling and you you went out there for a tryout and if they accepted you you know then you paid them it was kind of like this business and marketing thing i didn't know that i was a sophomore i called the number i got my tryout date and i went out there and i made it only me and one other guy made it it was hard oh my goodness it was i was an ncaa all-american so i was in really good shape i barely got through this thing this would require such mental toughness it was so hard we had to do three things guys and this was for three days, two full days, and then the Sunday was a half day.

But there was a bucket, five-gallon bucket. You put it upside down. And when you do your squat, you got to come up on your toes. You got to throw your hands up. And you don't stop until you sit down on the bucket. And the reason I remember that is the bucket had a little lip. And we did so many of these damn squats. You can't see the bucket.

So it was cutting into all of our legs uh you did 50 of those uh i apologize you did you did 25 of those 25 push-ups 50 sit-ups and you got up and you did it again and you got up and did it again when you've had enough go home and you don't don't come back it was like it was like navy seal-esque and i mean guys were out of there early it's great big steroid guy. I mean, really early. And we just did sit-ups and squats and push-ups. We got 30 minutes for lunch, and we went back and did sit-ups.

And that is all that we did. And we did it the next day. And the third day, it's all we did. And then they took us to the parking lot, and we did some sprints as well. But by then, everybody was gone. It was just me and the other guy. We were the only ones that showed up on the third day. We made it through.

They're like, you two were invited back, which invited back, man. Now you pay us money. It was a business ploy, but it was really, really difficult. And that was my only foray. When I came out of college, the internet was just coming around. There was no social media. And people didn't have phones. My point is, contacting someone was hard back then but what

about now you would have really known somebody why not i got espn i got my thing with uh with usc and and i'm not against it but by the way i i guess maybe a more candid answer is i don't know how i don't know who to contact his own body yeah do it do i go to Triple H that guy that I just told you was banging China the boy do I go to him or do I call Stephanie who I said was the other woman

and then shouldn't be upset when there became another woman are they I feel like they're okay they should know

character building I think at a certain position owner of the Dallas Cowboys somewhat similar Jerry Jones whatever you say

about him he doesn't care because he knows it's all good in the end. Sure. Everything is good for me. I think Vince is more so even probably, and then he probably passed that on to the kids. Whatever they say about you, it's okay. It's good. Good, bad, ugly, it's good. I agree.

And a lot of guys say that, but they don't mean it. Yeah, most of us don't. No, most of us don't mean it. But you are correct. Can I just say one more thing? I mean, if we're going to do that Vince thing, we're going to talk about everything that he went through. And I'm glad that we did because nobody else is.

Nobody has spoken up for Brock Lesnar. Well, but you know, he went through it. He lost his company. Wait, what happened to Brock? They have canceled Brock. Brock is alleged, not from the person, by the way. We've heard somebody else say that the person said, which quite frankly, I don't doubt, but it's still hearsay, that Brock sent naughty text messages.

Nothing more. Not confirmed. As a matter of fact, it is confirmed that Brock has never met this human being. As a matter of fact, it's confirmed that Brock has never spoke to this human being. It is believed that a naughty text came from a number that is believed to be brock's they canceled him and i mean out he will never come back he went down with vince so he got he's tied to vince everything that vince has done brock is now tied nobody has spoken up for him nobody's defended him now brock doesn't have a friend in the media because

brock's never done a damn thing for anybody else but nobody has been me too'd and to think that he doesn't have one friend that will speak up and just say hey by the way you don't even know it's him you haven't even asked him if it's him he hasn't even commented the person in question didn't complain about it she allegedly told someone else who wrote about it on a phone number that has never been tied to brock how does this even enter allegedly and by the way they were so i don't know if you guys know the story, but allegedly they were planning to meet. And Brock was doing he was being, whoever this person

was, they were being like a normal guy would, hey, send me a pay. And then upping it. Now send this and send that. What if I did this? Is this a ledge woman? Let's get the killer and kill the homeless person. Wait, who says that? I'm sorry. I was performing. I know, you was on a run.

That's Aziz. I took that's Aziz's picture. I killed him. You wanted to kill all this guy? And a great job, Aziz. Oh, wow. Now, I'm just curious. Is the alleged woman maybe the wife of somebody very important?

No. She worked in the office. She was a gal. She was in on it. She's actually not mad about it or claiming like from from a sexual forced like there's no there's no crime other than she had an NDA she was owed two million dollars she got one million of it the other million didn't come and she's like you owe me a million dollars which by the way she's right it is very clear that she is owed a million dollars it's not clear why

that money was pulled like what this has cost Vince when he could have just that's a little bit unclear but that is what happened no she is not going to the police and saying I was forced into why that money was pulled. Like, what this has cost Vince when he could have just... That's a little bit unclear, but that is what happened. No, she is not going to the police and saying, I was forced into anything. Nope. What was he... In what capacity

was he involved before? Like, before he got canceled? And is that Vince? Brock. What was Brock doing? Because my... Oh, for them, he was their top draw.

No, no, no, no, no. When he got canceled, he was their top draw? Oh, yeah. You could argue it was Roman no, no, no, no, no. When he got canceled, he was their top draw? Oh, yeah. I mean, you could argue it was Roman Reigns, but I think it was Brock. You couldn't argue it was anybody other than Brock or Roman. No, he was the biggest thing.

And he finally found a gimmick that he liked. He was playing like cowboy slash butcher Brock. He was cutting up meat in the back. But you could see his face. He was genuinely, for the first time, having fun. You know, Brock, as much as people would look at brock's life and go i want that he really didn't have fun you know he doesn't travel well he gets he's very uncomfortable and he gets pulled a lot of directions he's got a social anxiety

he told people even people that were close to him i don't have a cell phone but that was he just didn't want you to call him and other people close to him like people really believed he didn't have a sense he's got it right in his pocket but uh it was one of those things where he just he's like moved out in the middle of essentially nowhere and that was just the life that he wanted i only say that because you know what people looked at and go what a superstar that's he didn't want to be in the lines he didn't want people patting him on the back and surround him he didn't want anything more than to walk into those arena and walk out i mean he'd wave to everybody and be nice but it was one

of those things. He's actually done a lot for people that no one knows about. He's very loyal to the college that he graduated. He gave massive amounts of money and donations, which really helped people that he'll never get credit for. He doesn't want the credit. I'm just saying, to imagine that nobody

spoke up for him in all this time. What does that say? He should be the one suing them for breach of comment. He should be going after them. The defamation of characters. Everything. How are you possibly... They've taken him off the website. When I talk about canceled, it's not that we don't assign him and put him back to work.

They've taken... He doesn't exist. He was never... He's pulling off the video games. The DVDs that are out there. Things are online. He is... His matches are gone.

Is he the sacrificial lamb so you don't go as hard at Vince and they can save some face and not have to oust their own father? Do you think it could be something? I just think they've got to oust the reputation. So anything that falls in line with workplace harassment or abuse,

you've got to get that out of there. I imagine. Or you're just doing like a... Yeah, you could be killing a story with another story. Right. Because I believe it's the same woman that's also accusing Vince. Yeah. It's the same woman. Yes.

But she has not come out. She has not spoken up and said, Brock Lesnar did these things. She allegedly had told someone else and then someone else had reported this to the media. And it was just a phone number. In fact, just to finish the story the way that it went but you know brock was escalating the text messages and uh they had planned to meet there was a hotel and there's a whole thing was planned and and covet hit and the travel never happened they just they never met he's never met her he's never facetimed he's never spoke she has nothing to tie this to Brock. By the way, sure it could have been Brock.

I'm just talking about when you cancel a guy and you go against a contract, you take a multi-million dollar contract aside from destroying a guy's reputation, and you did it on that? You did it on hearsay that is that weak? That's never happened. That's all I'm suggesting. And for one person until right now to not come to the media and speak up on Brock's behalf, not one single friend he made in 20 years.

Maybe it was Vince. Come on. Maybe it was Vince. Like, yo, you talking to my girl? Yeah. I wonder if it's Vince trying to poison the authority that's accusing him. Sure. And saying, like, look, this girl's accusing a lot of people.

She's calling everyone out. She's obviously not a trustworthy story. Sorry, Tanner. I don't know if that's the case, obviously, but I case obviously but i'm wondering if the fact that they're connected seems suspicious to me why doesn't or sorry to interrupt yeah if she's fucking everybody he she's not being abused by vince it's the same thing she said yeah yep she has not claimed there was a crime yeah so she yeah it wasn't because there is some there there was some crime even if even if nobody knew one was being committed there is some crime that you actually could tie Vince to and federal

prosecutors allegedly looked at it decided not to but when Brock was getting re-signed Vince had got a Vince's text to this girl then they have these alleged texts from Brock the Vince's are Vince and the girl is the girl. And Vince was saying to her, hey, I'm doing a new deal with Brock. You're part of the deal. I have promised Brock you, you need to reach out to him now. Wow.

And that did happen. And there was a renegotiate in the timeline. And then all of a sudden you have this random, unconfirmed number sending some naughty messages. Allegedly. Allegedly to go. S sending some naughty messages. Allegedly.

Allegedly to go. Sending some naughty messages. Allegedly. Oh, yeah, he didn't hide it. Vince took a crap on her head. Allegedly. Yeah, well, allegedly but not denied. I'm sorry, that makes sense.

It was like a group of guys. There was like a group of guys There was like a group of guys In a hotel And it's unclear She shit on her head Yes What do you think that's about? And I think he should only

Call her that for a minute When he refers to her He should refer to her That's all he should ever Refer to her as Yes But here's what's unclear Was it an accident?

Probably Shitting on her head Probably Yeah Don't you hate that? Got in a weird position A thousand years old yeah

oh oh you're saying it was like 69 but he was on top maybe something like there was a group there was a group that went after

this had happened I don't know if they used a towel or like they didn't make it clear she ate prunes or something yeah who knows and they didn't make it clear I really wish you would clear that up

do you think he was like loosened up by somebody first gross yeah I'm just like you think he was loosened up by somebody first? Gross. Yeah. I'm just like, you know, this was very normal culture in that. Shitting on women's medicine. Yeah. I mean, the culture, though, that's going on.

Yeah. Like, the guys that are coming out and covering this and help to set Vince up, they're still there. They were part of the culture. Like, there's still leadership. It's one of these interesting things where you put Brock down and you took the owner of the company. This is what you left. Yeah, it's one way or the other, though.

I mean, are we cleaning house or are we not? Apparently Brock's text messages, I don't want to out this too much, but this is from a website that I found on an obscure website. The wrestler asked her to send a video of herself urinating. Yep. That's not even sex.

Which, how embarrassing. That's not even sex. Yeah. And how embarrassing if you're Brock and that's like the thing that, I mean, how embarrassing? It's just a bodily function. It's not even. Yeah.

Yeah. That's straight up. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then after she did, allegedly, he called her a bitch. That makes my foot fetish less weird. Oh, really? That's what this claims from the Wall Street Journal, I believe.

So she does send the video. And he goes, you bitch. Something like that. Wow. That's what this is alleging, which is the funniest way to respond. It's a rough world. She's like, fine, I'll do it for you, bitch. I mean, that's too good.

If you're AEW, why don't you just sign Brock? He's a massive draw. Yeah. That's why it's good there's a second wrestling federation league or whatever it is. But yeah, why doesn't AEW

just scoop up Brock and really help the something out? I had never even thought of that. And yeah, there would be an extent to that for sure. And you can get Brock for enough dates,

four or five, something like that. He's probably not going to do many more than that. But I also wonder that with the WWE. They have canceled them, but are they still sending him money? Is that why he's not going with AEW?

But it's a public company, and we could find that out. I wish we could ask him. He just doesn't have a cell phone. Yeah, that's exactly right. Unless you're a girl peeing, apparently you can't. And then all of a sudden, there's a cell phone show. You can't get a hold of Brock. peeing and apparently you can't. And then all of a sudden there's a cell phone.

You can't get a hold of Brock. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a it's a little bit of an unbelievable story. Whether you think that was Brock or not, I actually don't choose to wait on that. I tend to think it was. You're sharing that. What kind of evidence is that?

It's not cancelable. With WWE, it's like there are all these storylines that happen with the characters and you're like, these storylines that happen with the characters and you're like these storylines are just unbelievable and then you find out what's happening behind the scenes

and it makes what's happening in front of the cameras so believable yeah well these guys like each other one guy hit another guy

with a chair that's what you do you don't like a girl and then shit on her head that actually does if that happened in an episode of Raw, first of all. There was another guy, John Laurinaitis.

Very high-ranking guy. His son played in the NFL, I think, right? That's exactly right. I think it might have been a nephew. Okay, but they were the, what are they, the Road Warriors or something? They had the spiked shoulder fans? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Road Warrior Animal is his brother.

Okay. Road Warriors they had the spike shoulder fans oh yeah Road Warrior Animal is his brother Road Warrior Animal's son I believe played for the Rams might even still play very good player yeah yeah but I'm just sharing and Lorne Ice has been he goes back to the 70s

he's been around forever when his career was over he went into the office and he was part of like Vince really like during office hours for him and Lorne Ice to go into the

the woman's office everybody's out here working. Like this is a normal, shut the door. Everybody, I mean, I'm just sharing that it was a cultural thing. So Laurinaitis gets hit in this. And Laurinaitis took a very interesting defense. He lawyered up and he said, I am a victim.

I too was paid by Vince. And I too, if I did not show up for these acts, whether I was the one doing this or the one doing that, I did not want to see more. Yeah, he said, I don't want to do this. It's kind of believable.

I'm also going to be fired. It's kind of believable. I didn't want to fuck this hot girl we hired to fuck. Yeah, but I like to dance every time. That's funny. I'm doing it on my own accord. There's twins.

The Bella twins. Oh, yes. Okay. Lord Nynas is the stepfather to the Bella twins. Oh, wow. He's very tied to this. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Lord Nidus is the stepfather to the Bella Twins. He's very tied to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he has it denied. I mean, it was right during office hours.

Linda's walked in when Vince is, you know, and finished. She's like finished when she went to the filing cabinet and got it out as he's got. This is, I'm going back to the 80s, and I don't even know the dude. And I'm telling you stories. Shout out to Linda, yo. I'd put her on

my president's cabinet to keep a secret. You know what I mean? Get some files out of it while I'm doing what I gotta do. Now, this is wild. I will say that WWE female wrestlers, if you're judging by

then and now, China versus what they got now, these beautiful girls. Sure. It would let you believe that, you know. What? That Vince is out. There's some extracurricular activities happening. Sure.

That's all I'm trying to say. Damn, you didn't want to crack China's shit? Well, no. The trips was getting that. No, it makes me believe Vince is out because now they look much less like dudes. So if you're fucking them, you know what I mean? You want to fuck them.

Sure. Well, we got to know what this girl who's alleging looks like. That's a good ass point, though. She's 40, by the way. It only surprised me. You know, he's a much younger one. You know, that's the most disgusting part

of this whole thing. That's surprising, at least. It's at least a little bit surprising when you find that part of it out. But, uh... I lost my train of thought. I think maybe even 42. I remember saying, what?

You remember that? My father-in-law, Steve and I, we're watching this. You know, he took a dump on her head and we're giggling to each other. And we're trying to speak in code because my eight-year-old son's in the back. And we're like trying to have this,

and yeah, and then we find out she's 42. And we're like, oh, it's typo. You mean 24. Quite frankly, but you know, I think she looks closer to 24. And that's new Vince. See, that's not the dirtbag. The dirtbag's over here.

The new Vince with the mustache. See, he did not do anything wrong. He looks so much creepier. No, this guy's innocent. In fact, he looked back at that Vincent K. McMahon and thinks, what a dirt bike. This is somebody else, though. Yeah.

He did this in front of the world. He came out with a new look and a new catchphrase. What was the new catchphrase? I don't even know what it was, but he did it. He actually took on Pat McAfee at WrestleMania. I've never seen Vince look so bad. He actually took on Pat McAfee at WrestleMania. I've never seen Vince look so bad. He ruined the show.

And Pat McAfee, who had never done it before, made the match work. Like, if you ever want to see Pat's true wow skill, it was him versus Vince. Vince couldn't move. There was a time when Andre the Giant had to hold the rope because he'd fall down. So he couldn't wrestle him, but they had to come over to him, and he couldn't let go of the rope. Vince wasn't far off. It was bad. It was bad.

Pat carried him. Pat's got no experience and Pat carried him and made the match work. Wait, but that was this past WrestleMania? Yeah, that was two. Vince is out for this one. This was the first one with Trips. Gotcha. I think I saw a couple people on Twitter.

I was looking at wrestling Twitter randomly, I think, to research a story or something. But they seemed to really like Triple H. They said, Vince, it's better off without Vince. A lot of people seem to like him. Oh, so people like the new management. They see Trips as a great executive. Yeah.

That he's there, he's available, he understands things. If he gives you an answer, you can count on it. They came out to Portland just recently. I worked with the commission, so we were there before anybody else. And Trips was there. I mean, when the guys were in the ring early and kind of going over their spots, and they have a meal before they change, and there was no other executives there. And there's Trips.

He's with the boys. He traveled out to, yeah, I think that Tri the trips i think he really likes what he does and uh i think he must be pretty damn good because that's a competitive business yeah you know it takes a lot like the the idea of replacing dana is not something i haven't met the person yeah i haven't met the person because they can't put in the time they're not going to go seven days a week 18 hours a day they're not they're going to require as humans more sleep than dana does and the same could really be said for vince vince vince would fire somebody if they yawned he couldn't understand he couldn't understand why somebody needed sleep he didn't know why he needed sleep it infuriated him why why would god make why do we need to sleep And if somebody would yawn in a meeting that's at like 3 a.m.,

he'd say, you tired of making money? Yeah, he'd turn on him. Really? Yeah. It was legit. He didn't understand. It does make sense, though, that he took a popular figure from wrestling to replace him. Yeah.

Because as the owner of the business, you also need to be a personality that represents the business. And I think that's something that people probably underestimate with Dana. It's like, Dana is a personality. He can be the face of the business. He is the celebrity CEO, if you will, right? And he needs to be able to do a podcast with people for hours and answer questions and be entertaining and go up and talk to media. Triple H can do that because he spent decades in the spotlight honing that skill and that craft. If you just hire some geek,

someone who would run a basketball team or something like that, yeah, they can do it behind the scenes. They can look at the X against his nose and they can look at the numbers, but they can't be that personality. 100%. Yeah.

100%. There's other guys that can do the paperwork, yeah, but to come out and be a promoter it's a rare thing that shit is hard i mean even don king i was about to say he was being silly you know he's out there with the fucking flags and it was short he couldn't sit down in a podcast for me you know it was silly he had a quick thing and it worked for many years you know and people don't take a long time bob arum never got it uh day lahoy never got eddie hearn does to a degree i feel like there's still day lahoy is like flirting with it now yeah like he's he's like realizes how people see him

and he's like kind of talking about his past and kind of talking about like what he went through i feel like he's not trying to uphold the golden boy image like he's like okay that's done now everybody knows that i was a degenerate cocaine addict that loved fucking and i could also beat people up all right yep now like i feel like he's almost like he had a moment with canelo in promoting canelo's last fight i guess he was also the promoter of the guy who was fighting canelo where canelo started cursing at him and stuff like that and i was like oh are you getting this yep nobody knows who this fighter that you represent is but Canelo's now fighting with you so I wonder if Oscar is and Ryan Garcia has also turned on Oscar you saw that miniseries they met on Oscar it was it was a true story like Oscar helped him with it but

we were so close we're like so close to getting there he revealed to the world what a scumbag he is which can be a really good counseling session. And like, we were so close to this actually helping. And right at the end, one of the last things he says is he goes, you know, I looked back, all the bad things, terrible father, didn't see his kids. I mean, the worst things you could do. And says, you know, but I wonder if it was wrong. Maybe it was all worth it to get us here because we're all so happy and successful. Whatever it was, like right at the end, he didn't take any responsibility. All he had to do was out himself, tell the truth, and then take responsibility. Almost learned a lesson. He was this close.

He's a heel. Have you ever met Vince or any of these big wrestlers? No. Stone Cold comes to some of the events. The Rock comes to the events. I've actually never met him. I've walked past him. He's been at our fights.

I've walked past him. I've never met him. I got to go to a WrestleMania after party once. And so I met, just real quickly, but Bret Hart was there. Roman Reigns was there. John Cena was there. Randy Orton was the nicest guy. Randy Orton was the cool guy.

He was on the dance floor, man. He was cutting a rug all night. Orton was great. But Pastor Kishi and some other, they don't know us, though. He was cutting a rug all night. Orton was great. Pastor Kishi and some other... They don't know us, though. It's not the same thing. I knew each and every one of these guys and remember them to this day.

Remember the brief interaction I had, even if it was just hello. It's not the same. Who's the greatest of all time? Professional wrestler? Yeah. Well, I believe in professional wrestling, whoever made the most money is the best.

Because it, yeah. And that's Hulk Hogan. And they said that he didn't know the difference between a wrist lock and a wrist watch, that he was going to hit you with the right hand and drop that leg. You know, he was never going to hit actual wrestling moves or anything hard.

That's what they said. But I like the guys that brawled. I like wrestling back when it looked like a competition. Now it looks like a performance. It looks like a cooperation that brawled. I like wrestling back when it looked like a competition. Now it looks like a performance. It looks like a cooperation that's a performance. I don't like that. I don't like triple backflips into the tables and things like this. I think it's weird.

I liked it back when it was a fight. I liked that Hogan threw right hands and moves that if you were in a fight, you would actually use. Pick a guy up and throw him down and then kick him while he's down. I like those things. So I say Hogan, if you want to know the absolute best technician, boy, they got a guy right now named Seth Rollins.

For Seth to be number one, he's got to be better than Bret Hart. He's got to be better than Shawn Michaels, which he might not be. Those guys were good. But he also might be. Seth might be number one. He is an incredible athlete.

He could have gone into anything and done very well. He just somehow found wrestling. But I think that it's important that you look at it from that perspective. And that might sound silly, the guy that made the most money. No, it's not real. It's true in everything. That's also a great point. Wouldn't it be The Rock?

Wouldn't it be The Rock that made the most? Well, and now, yeah, that's right. great point it'd be the rock yeah wouldn't it be the rock that made the most well and now yeah that's right like i would imagine the rocks come on they say stone cold just on his merchandise you know they say that cena must be close yeah and hogan didn't really have a chance by the way like not everything was pay-per-view they had close caption and the events was the first one with the wrestlemania to bring that out so i'm just saying like like his whole era uh muhammad ali by example has no records well they also didn't have pay-per-view back then like it's not as though pay-per-view beat him it didn't exist back yeah you watched a muhammad ali fight by by gathering around a transistor radio it's just a very different time so um yeah you you could be right that the rock has has passed him up i I would think that that is correct. I wonder how that worked out.

Like, when they did those fights abroad, the gate can't be worth much, right? Because you're fighting in the third world country. You can't charge that much money for tickets or else who's going to show up. And the exchange rate is dog shit. Yeah. So, like, I guess, what was it?

It must have been TV rights that paid the fighters? Had to have been. Had to be. Yeah, it like, I guess, what was it? It must have been TV rights that paid the fighters? Had to have been. Had to be. Yeah, it had to be. So it's distribution, and everybody's just watching on NBC or wherever the hell they're watching it. Got it. And I'm sure there were some sponsors for the events.

And then the fighters, I imagine, just weren't making the type of money that the fighters were making. Yeah, I don't think they understood. Again, bringing it to NFL, which is what I know. The NFL just had a deal with CBS to broadcast the games. And then Jerry Jones actually was the guy that was like, no, we can shop this around and make a lot more money. And that's how the money has gotten crazy in NFL and NBA. TV rights, let's shop it. This is a bidding war now.

Distribution's a very hard business to know. There's not a lot of people. There's not even a lot of books on it. But even the UFC that sold ESPN for $1.5 billion, that all got announced and was public. But if you look a little closer, that was a North American deal. If ESPN in Mexico wants to show, it's a whole other feat. Oh, wow.

Or if Dana wants to take it and sell it to somebody that isn't ESPN, he wants to do that in Germany or Switzerland. So he maintained the international rights for it. Yeah. So all of a sudden, you get these places that come out and brag. PFL and Don Davis were very excited. They're like, we're in 68 different countries. But that's a really big deal because it's 68 different deals. Yeah, that makes sense.

And I don't know a lot about that. And I don't know anybody I can call and ask. I don't have any friends. I don't have any family. There's not really anybody out there where you can learn about that. That's where the real competitive part of the business comes. Then if you're in pay-per-view, the theft rate right now is so high. You really can't do a pay-per-view.

People downloading illegally. Showing it on TikTok. Having certain websites you can go to. And so Dana's got this infrastructure. Just outing myself. I don't pay for pay-per-view. Hey, you know, it's one of those things. If we've met a fighter, I'll pay.

And if we haven't, eh. No, I have to every single time. It's much they go through too much man that shit is too great I was in France for what do you think we I know right what a performance thank you for calling it out on that thank you for calling it out

he saw the warning by the FBI at the end of the show for 250,000 let me try again. Let me try again. Let me try again. Do you know what those guys go through in there? They go through. Hold on.

Let me get both lines out. Let me try again. Yeah. I just can't. I can't steal it. I mean, those guys. Yeah. They're getting punched and kicked and choked.

Something would happen at a WWE office. I mean. those guys, they're getting punched and kicked and choked. Something would happen at a WWE office. What does one cost? What pay-per-view? The ones that you buy every time. I think they're about $25 now. They're about $25. I buy every single one. I feel like we got one more.

Let's take one more on it. Can you do that on a.com, or can you do that through your remote control? I do it right through the remote. You do? Yeah. Because I can watch it on my Nintendo Switch. Everyone else has to go to the.com. Yeah, I don't.

Special remote? Yeah, it's a special remote. I feel like when a guy's willing to sacrifice that much and be in that thing like that, and if you don't, you're taking money. He's giving up his life. The least you can do is give him a few dollars. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And if you do get it wrong wrong you get a teleportation device you go back in time and if you believe that you must be kind of stupid by the way I was going to ask you one simple question

are you getting to the position with this show where people are beginning to kiss the ring and I'm talking about to use Rogan but politicians aspiring politicians are calling and trying to get on the Joe Rogan show are you having to deal with that are beginning to kiss the ring and i'm talking about to use rogan but politicians aspiring

politicians are calling and trying to get on the joe rogan show are you having to deal with that and if so okay do you have a policy you're supposed to wear no we're not doing this or i'm not doing that if i have this one then i'll have this one are we it's just am i interested who do i think is interesting yeah who's interesting who's like because there's no other way to have a conversation right right? Yeah. For me, I think it's interesting. We had a couple guys that ran. We had RFK, and then we had Vivek.

And I was interested in both of them. Vivek had withdrawn by the time we had him on, I believe. We were at least in conversation while he was still going. I think we were the first interview after he withdrew. But I was like, I want to know what it's like what why would you make the decision to run for president yeah like i want to know what's going on in your head you don't have to you have all the money in the world you have a family like your family's gonna go through hell why do you think this needs to happen by the way um he he truly believes that he can make a difference he can by the way he has he actually can yeah

fucking unbelievable. I just think he cannot communicate to people that... He tries to dumb it down, and he dumbs it down too much. And then I think we're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, he'd be somebody that... I also think that there are some extreme things in his beliefs that he's willing to pay the price for. I don't know if Americans are.

Sure. He was bringing up something, I think, I don't know if it was Jefferson said about, like, the people deserve a country. No, no, no. Democracy ensures that people get a country they deserve. Yep. And I'm probably butchering that quote. But by deserve, meaning, like, if we get rid of a lot of fucked up shit and people's lives are impacted negatively because of that. If we get rid of these government programs that we think are bloated and they probably are.

But people's lives are impacted negatively. He's like, we deserve that. And I don't know if the average American is willing to take that on. Maybe they are. Sure. Maybe they're not. Sure. But I thought he had a unique way of looking through things and i thought it was kind of cool and then rfk i thought was great like he really impressed me yeah and by the way i i feel as though he's going to pull out because he will be the decision maker one way or the other i feel like he's going

to pull it do you believe after meeting him that he is the resolve to stay because both sides are trying to make deals right now. Right now these deals are coming in, and they're big ones too. What do you mean by resolve? What does that mean? Like to stay in? Like is it the integrity? I'll give you an example.

We just saw this with Kerry Lake. But the people that are supporting Biden and think that he's going to be harmful, those donors, they're already calling and offering RFK a seat on the board, which is no different than Hunter Biden selling a painting for $10 million. It's the exact same thing, but I'm just sharing with you. Does he have the resolve to stay in this to the bitter end, or is he going to jump and exchange for the buyout?

I don't think that you can influence him as easily with money. Like, this guy's a Kennedy. He's been around money his entire life. Money is not impressive to him. Like it was funny when he was talking about hanging out with Epstein. I was like, how's the jet? And he was like, eh, it was all right.

But like he didn't say it as a joke. He objectively judged the jet. Enough jets. Which to us is like, what? There's more than one? I thought it was just Delta and then private plane. There's a lot of them apparently. So I don't think you can bribe him with money i think that he i mean look maybe everybody has a price a billion dollars i don't know but his price is obviously going to be much higher sure and i think he really kind of likes nature like he

that's his thing a little bit and maybe that identity is curated by like you know working for these environmental agencies or whatever he's done. But, like, so I think it's going to be, what are you going to give him that he really wants? Yeah, what can you offer him? When he came and saw you guys, did he have security? Are you planning something? Let's go back to the beginning of this episode.

If I was to shoot, I would go. You can't wait until the car turns. I thought that was very low that they didn't give him secrets. Yeah, it is low. That was very low. And when I talk about, well, he had the resolve to stay in, it's like, well, he just might because they've done so many terrible things to him. From what Nancy Pelosi did to him, to the demissal by Joe Biden,

to putting his security in harm by not giving him secrets. That alone could piss him aloft. But now he has the money. Sure. I think the girl that's running with him I think is the wife of the founder of Google or something like that.

Oh, I didn't know he had a running mate. Yeah, he's picked a running mate, huh? Yeah, so she's got deep pockets and like, you know, I don't know if that's strategic

but like, he's good for security. They're playing this game by the way of who's going to be Trump's running mate. Do you guys want me to ruin this for you?

Yes. Mike Pompeo. So this is what's fascinating. If he chooses Mike Pompeo. I know nothing about Mike Pompeo. Mike Pompeo was the, what's it called? Secretary of State, right? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yes. If he chooses Mike Pompeo, I think that all of the drain the swamp Republicans, the right wing drain the swamp guys that are like, oh, Trump's going to come here and change everything. If you choose a true establishment politician figure like Mike Pompeo, I think you break the hearts of all the fringe groups. Now, they might not vote for Biden, but I don't know if they'll support Trump. fringe groups. Now, they might not vote for Biden, but I don't know if they'll support Trump. But what I think it does is by choosing Pompeo, I think it brings over neutral Democrats. I think it's like, it's basically Trump going, hey guys, I'm not going to shake shit up. I'm going to do the same thing I did last time, where I hire all the establishment people to be in my cabinet and

in the positions of power. And I do things a little different. I say things a little wild, and maybe other countries aren't as comfortable bombing because they think that I'm a loose cannon, but I'm still going. I'm towing a company. Do you think that's what that is?

I mean, Mike Pompeo is as establishment as it gets. I can tell you this. When Trump had made a statement, they asked him, do you know who your VP is going to be? And he's now playing the game, but he didn't play it at first. Which, no, I don't know. And see who can go out there and work the hardest and get all these things.

He didn't do that. He said, yeah, I do. And then he kind of corrected himself and said, 30% I do. I can tell you in that moment when he said 30%, he was referring to Mike Pompeo. How do you know that? How do I know that? He's the fucking bad guy. How do I not?

How do I not? I'm sharing something with you guys. I'm sharing some insight. Oh, wow. You want to kiss and tell? Okay, keep going. No, that's not like some glamorous that Mike Pompeo. Dana White would have been a hot spot.

I'm just getting in front of it. Just so you know, if you're wondering why Pompeo pulled out of the race when Trump got in, it wasn't just respect and honor. He does very much. But yeah, if you wonder why Pompeo has been so quiet, it's not because he's out of the race when Trump got in. It wasn't just respect and honor. He does very much. But, yeah, if you wonder why Pompeo's been so quiet, it's not because he's out of the game. He's coming back. I'm letting you know, when he made the statement of 30%,

he was referring to Mike Pompeo. That's what I'm telling you. I really thought it was going to be Nikki Haley, because she kind of pulled back her words of... Interesting. She said, like, he would be irresponsible. I mean, to get the other half of the party that was anybody

but Trump. The Republicans fall in line. Wow. You just need everybody. That's what I was thinking about, fringe groups. What about Tulsi Gabbard? I like her. I don't like Nikki Haley. Yeah. Don't forget that. Tulsi Gabbard a better Indian than Nikki Haley. Ain't that crazy? Yeah. Not even Indian.

Yeah. Is Nikki Haley Indian? Nikki is, but I'm saying Tulsi Gabbard is a better Indian than Nikki Haley. Ain't that crazy? She comes around. Not even Indian. Yeah. Is Nikki Haley his? Nikki is, but I'm saying Tulsi Gabbard is a better Indian than Nikki Haley. She's Hawaiian. She's Hawaiian. Yeah, I'm trying to think. What do we got here? Who else is there?

I just don't know that Nikki would offer them. There was a poll that came out yesterday. 54% of Democrats would rather somebody else other than Biden. But that's just something they say. If that was sincere at all, ask them one follow-up question. Who? When you meet one of those Dems that blows in the wind and makes a statement, who?

If they say Gretchen, if they say Gavin or something, okay, then they do mean it. But they're just saying, they're just words. What about pulling? There's reason to believe that Biden will be pulled. Yeah. What do you think? He most definitely will not be and i'm not sure why play that game but but it is a game i mean the democrats are the ones allowing that story to be out there and it just seems like they're not piling up and putting everything on biden they're throwing just enough on newsome i feel like the republicans are

falling for it oh so it's a a tactic oh yes yes it's very much they're throwing just enough behind wow we can't have that kamal harris and wow that gretchen that gretchen she had a michigan she stood in a bad job the republicans are falling for what they want to do like what does that do sorry what does that tactic do well it would just take your focus off of biden it would just take off your negative campaign and all the negative things that you come out there and say which is a miss in politics anyway. If you're Team Trump, you should never say Joe Biden's

name, which is, there's not a politician out there that would agree with me, and I do mean zero, but they should never say Joe's name. They should only tell you what's great about Trump. They should never talk about what's bad. What about Crooked Joe? What about, like, was it Crooked Hillary? All the sayings that he... Sleepy Joe. Yeah hillary like yeah all the the sayings that he

yeah sleepy joe all the sayings that he curated were like fantastic and those some of that's fun i'm just sharing with you like it's a really big mistake when they go out there and they've got tv time to put trump over and they spend 80 of it talking about biden they're doing it from a negative standpoint which they think builds trump up you guys got this wrong you're not talking about trump himself right like should Trump himself talk about? Well, he can and deal with the issues, but no, no, not the way that he does. I mean, it's a broad stroke when I say never, but no. Really?

No, he should not. No. Nobody else does. I mean, you as a comedian or something, you're trying to get in front of somebody else, you would never start talking about, well, this guy's also coming to Madison Square Garden and start putting him down. Like, nobody would do that. No actor that ever made it to the top.

No singer that made it to the top. Nobody comes out and does that. It's being debunked a bit. Even in comedy, Cat Williams went on Shannon Sharpe's podcast, trashed so many other comedians. God, that was fun. That was fun.

I mean, it was riveting, but it also kind of revived things for Cat. Yes, it sure did. And then the entire Democratic ticket in 2020 was we can't have trump we can't have trump that's all they have even now we just can't have trump so who do you think wins well you're gonna have a very hard time beating biden you're gonna have very time yeah he's he's a very uh he's a very good politician and i've never seen anything like it you know i was telling you earlier that i was so surprised to see my own colleague,

Stephen A, wilt so quickly and openly admit I am wilting because of your comments on social media. Like he was the tough guy in the room and he wilted. I was just surprised. Joe Biden is the only politician I've seen that will come out and say, I don't believe in this.

My convictions are a different way. I'm not going to bring my beliefs and my convictions. Here's what I will vote when it's time to vote because I know that's what the majority of you want. And he'll even go that way

until it's not popular. And then he'll do an interview and he'll say, hey, listen, this is no longer popular. You guys want to see this and it will increase my chances to get elected. And he will openly say it

and he'll say, and I'll make you a deal. I will. For 50 years, I've done this one thing, but I'm telling you now. And he honors it. That's actually kind of awesome. He's a very honest guy about it. To me, it's not a bad thing. But isn't that what you want a democratically elected leader to do, is to represent the populace?

Well, I will share with you this. I don't think you could give me another example where it's been done i mean i started this by saying he's a very good politician yeah yeah but but he is very interesting i'll just give you a great example gay marriage yeah obama gay marriage both of them he and joe they were on that together absolutely not and after the second election yeah we we've evolved and and they changed their minds but i'm but i'm sharing with and those things are okay by the way i'm not i'm not questioning a flip-flopper. Anytime you're confronted with evidence

you hadn't previously considered, you're right to change your mind. You don't have to lock in and be stubborn to something you believed 40 years ago. That's not what I'm suggesting. What I'm telling you is, Joe Biden, I can't think of another politician, will openly tell you,

I don't believe in this. I do not believe in this. But because you are more likely to vote for, I will change. And that hasn't been done like for example he has been very uh instrumental in in the pro-choice movement but he is a catholic and says i believe it's murder and i believe you shouldn't do it and i do believe you will be judged someday but i as a politician will not enforce and when he had the chance to he kept his word and that's a great thing. That's a great thing.

And you're saying people like that, and that's what makes him a good politician. No, I'm just saying it's very unique. I can't think of anybody else that when you vote for a man to be your leader, it's because you like his convictions. He has convinced you, I know a better way. I've led a better life. I can bring this to you. Yeah. That's what a leader is.

But we're also a country i've never seen anybody uh against uh church and state so it's like you don't want his religious beliefs to impose on somebody who doesn't believe in that same religion that's what he said yeah it is a unique tactic i think is his point it now i understand how to me it makes me trust him more yeah you're being completely open and honest with me every other politician lies and even if you don't seem as convicted as them i trust you more for giving me that honesty and maybe that's why it wins but i think his point is just not good or bad i've just never seen that done before and it works and he didn't think it would work because if i don't that's very well and that might be to trump's detriment yeah it could be i mean it is it is it is one of those

very it's a very unique thing. Yeah. If you look at border crossings just by example, whether you agree with it or you don't, but if you look at it, Biden before the election will come out and say, you've got to have a secure border, and you've got to keep it tight, and I'm the one to do it. And I mean, just like, deny this

piece of reality. It will happen. He's already doing it with inflation. Those are just some of the things the Republicans aren't ready for. The Republicans are all going to have their jaw dropped. Make no mistake, the plan is already in place. They're going to find a woman roughly 30 days before the election that Trump sexually abused outside of the China Club in 1988. She didn't tell anybody, and there's no witnesses,

but by God, you have to believe her. Really? And it's like, for sure, for sure this will come out. And it's one of those things, know and and the republicans won't do that not only will the republicans not do it they won't be ready for it when it happens they stand and go i watched the debate between ron desantis and gavin newsom and ron desantis who was very ready for debates and a very educated man was not ready for for Gavin Newsom to flat out deny reality, to flat out say, I've never done that, or to flat out take something

that he did and turn it around from the live TV and go, and I can't believe you, and there's really not a way out of that if you're wrong, to go, wait a minute, that's your record, that's not mine. It's like, no, that's not how it works. Nobody's paying attention except you two. There's just a crowd that is judging this moment yeah and and gavin came out there and ran the state gavin will run them all out of

pound nobody can touch gavin wait really no no there's nobody why no no current politician can touch him he is the best politician in the country why well he was raised from day one i mean they had him to be you know at eight years old old is when they started training him to be president. And is he the nephew of Nancy Pelosi? He is the nephew of Nancy Pelosi. And I'll just share with you, like, there's a very likely scenario down the road where it's Gavin Newsom versus Don Jr. In the finals, in the general. I don't think Don Jr.

got it like his dad yeah well and maybe not but I I think he does I think I think that he's really got it I thought he was the breakthrough star

in fact of 16 if you remember in 2004 Barack Obama was the breakthrough star nobody even heard of him he was a first term senator and he was the one

that was really running and lit it up and sure enough took out Hillary and got elected the next two terms. But I'm just sharing that I could see Junior and Newsom in the finals. And Junior's current wife used to be married to Newsom.

It would be an interesting piece of the story. For drama. You're set on this WWE story right here. It would be fun. Wow. Junior's a shark, though though I think he surprised everybody Do you want to know a funny Kill Flo story? Yeah I do

Is it polite? This is Junior's wife we're talking about This is very polite This is self-admitted from her I had a bit back in the day About Trump Grabbing the girl by the pussy.

It's a funny bit. You can go look it up online. I'll have to redo the bit here. But it was in his defense, obviously. And I noticed once, this is a bit I did a long time ago, and I'm on Instagram and I notice Kimberly Guilfoyle likes

the bit. I get notified, right? And I'm like, oh, shit, Kimberly Guilfoyle likes the bit. I get notified, right? And I'm like, oh, shit, Kimberly Guilfoyle. Oh my God, that's Trump Jr.'s son. That's funny. And then it said, Kimberly Guilfoyle followed you from that joke. And I was like, wow, what a woman to see the joke defending Trump, grabbing women by the pussy and be like, I need to follow this guy. I need to see what else this guy's got.

She's locked it. She's 100% committed to the Trump family. I like that story. I'm glad that you told that story. That had me a little nervous at first. I mean, doesn't she have the dirt on Newsom, though? Yeah, you would sure think. I can't imagine that she would

bring that out. And I wouldn't respect it if they did. Have you ever been around the guys, and then the guys start showing you a text message of some girl, and she sent them a dirty text, and then he's showing it to you? I don't like that guy. That was a private thing that she said.

I don't know. It's just one of those things. And if she did bring up the dirt on Newsom, I actually wouldn't want to hear it. Really? That's unsportsmanlike. That is private. That would be a dirty

thing to do and I would be disappointed. I realize that's funny. It feels like out of bounds. You're going to say honeypots if a hot girl tries to seduce a guy to get secrets. Yes. I would think that that would be... Unless it's an intentional ruse. honeypots like if a hot girl tries to seduce a guy to get secrets yes oh yeah yeah i would yes i would think that that would be unless it's an intentional ruse if it's intentional as a

gamesmanship or is it still i guess i'll need some time to think about that they don't do that back in westland i don't know i don't know the prettiest girls in the world are in westland i don't know about the girls out here the desperate girls in new york i don't know about the girls out here, the desperate girls in New York. Nuclear secrets got taken by a honeybee. Sure. An Israeli woman, actually. I'm sorry for the insensitivity we might have said with the word gay earlier. I didn't see the fingernails. I didn't.

That didn't. Yeah, now you've got to be the best to roast it by fingernails. I respect that. I respect that one. You guys have been trying to get rid of me for 20 minutes. Can you wrap it, or what do we do here? How do we, you know? Jail Sondon, everybody!