ANMA - Desnudo Re-Review: The Desnudo Chronicles

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

Good morning, Desnudo! Gus has the week off so Geoff and Eric revisit Denudo coffee under the guise of re-reviewing it but really they just wanted Desnudo coffee again. Listen as they get into the business of podcasting and the business of business. They don't really talk music because they haven't been listening to much. Sponsored by Beam http://shopbeam.com/ANMA and use code ANMA, BetterHelp http://betterhelp.com/anma and Henson Shaving https://hensonshaving.com and enter ANMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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where Jeff and Eric, in the by-weeks, go to all of Gus' favorite places and enjoy them without him. Uh, good morning Gus, wherever you are. with Adam. This is a good morning Gus, wherever you are. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ This is a really good idea. So we recorded one of these supplementals that eight weeks ago at RTS. So that one was done, but then we're like, oh, we got to do one more. Do you want to just do it remotely

and you're like, let's go to Des Nudot. And I went, absolutely, let's go to Des Nudot and I went absolutely, let's go to Des Nudot. So now we're here, we got the cold brew again. Just as good. Yeah, you want to give it a rating? I'm gonna give it a 10. Yeah, me. I don't ever look my rating was last time,

I think it was nine, something, but I was wrong, it's a 10. It is, this is, since we've been, this is the third or fourth time that I've been here. Yeah. It is so good. You can taste the subtle, like you were saying it's sweet, but you can also taste the, I call the FFGs, the free from gusses. They're like tannins that like, I don't know, they make everything just bright. Just a little bit tiniest bit.

Not even, I wouldn't use the word better, but sunnier. Sunnier is the way to do it. Yeah, a little tangier. Yeah, just a little bit. Less, less dour. Yeah, a little less, like you can taste like the, it's like, it's like, it's like in jazz where you pay attention to notes that don't play. It's like you can taste the lack of acrimony. Cramonies. Yeah. Acrimonies, Lord, I was looking for. Thank you. Um, so we were talking about before we started recording, like, oh, what are we going to talk about? You know, is there anything we kind of free will it with the show, which is nice. It's nice to have a podcast where you can prepare and have stuff, but it's nice to just kind of come and hang out or whatever. But I said, I didn't want to talk about so all right, which is your new show. That is not the show, it's you by yourself. Uninterrupted, I would say unfiltered,

but you do all the filtering when you do takes and cuts and cut out all the ums. Dude, God damn. The editing that you do for your own show and before you give it to the editor, huh? Yeah, man, it's a, you don't do it in casual conversation, but when you're trying to fill gaps by yourself, You don't do it in casual conversation, but when you're trying to fill gaps by yourself, I find that I say like and um a lot more than I realize.

So I have to do a like and um sweep. I do a full edit and then I do a like and um sweep after that and then I turn it in and then I get the edited version back with music and then I have to do a second like and um sweep because I realize I miss some. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's been, I'm getting it figured out.

It's kind of funny. I was thinking about this earlier, whenever you and I do these, I always assume it's gonna head to music at some point. Yeah. And I thought, great, Eric and I can just talk music. It's actually perfect timing because we released our summer of 98,

our ultimate 98 playlist. Yeah, the ultimate 98 playlist for f**king face face and I had forgotten that I'd created an ultimate 98 punk playlist as well that I didn't even release but they found oh they so I told you before I might they're gonna find it which is great so but I a lot of positive comments and people been asking for us to talk music more and say that they really enjoyed that so I very briefly in the car I never thought oh well Eric and I can just talk about all the new music we're listening us to talk music more and say that they really enjoyed that. So I very briefly in the car right over here thought, oh well, Eric and I can just talk about all the music

we're listening to. And then I thought, oh fuck, I don't really, I'm not really prepared because I haven't been listening to a ton of new music because this goddamn podcast I'm doing is eating up about, I try to work it out. I think about six hours of a week of listening time because I have to record it and then edit it and then edit it again and then listen back.

And by the time it's all said and done, I think somewhere between like five and six hours, a week my ears are dedicated to that, which is, you don't think about it, but music is what I take from. You know, music's what suffers there unfortunately. I'm glad that you said that because I have definitely not been listening

to a ton of new music either. I've been listening to some, but I've just been digging back into like a lot of my like older records and putting that stuff on Yeah And nothing super new or exciting or thrilling where it's like what about this or what about that? It's just kind of like I haven't listened to this B52's album in like a long time And so you just like listen to that and you go that was fun or like so Bob Marley like when they were like the whalers like Great like having fun making breakfast like listen to that and you go, that was fun. Or like, so Bob Marley, like when they were like the whalers, like, great, like having fun making breakfast and listening to that.

But nothing really kind of like grabbing me that's like new or. Nothing new you're excited about. Yeah. The Hive's have a new album and I know that probably doesn't mean much to a lot of people, but they were a band that I really, really enjoy. And this is like their first release in like 10 years that I feel like has been something really strong and like a lot of fun. of funds like 30 minutes long and it just flies But that's really that and DJ Paul the guy who produced all of like three six mafia stuff It's all been listening to you. It's pretty good

So outside of music you've been doing your podcast you've been doing so all right, which you can subscribe to now I wish you would. It's Jeff's sort of deep dive. I don't, deep dive is the right term. Rabbit hole. You kind of just find a rabbit hole on new and interesting stuff. And the way I've been pitching it is, hey, here's some stuff that Jeff will tell you about. And then when you go to a party this weekend, you can go, hey, do you know about this and people go, what the fuck? And that's what the show's for. I hope that's a good thing. I hope people like it.

I've been having a lot of fun making it. So, so all right, where you're dedicating so much time and everything, you were saying that you have a weird side effect from that show. Yeah, just that I don't listen to music anymore. That's it, huh? Yeah, that's crazy.

You don't think about it, but like, but you add something into your life, you have to subtract in some area. And I didn't't I don't know why after 20 years of this career I didn't consider that do you think that the other additive in your life is that you are playing video games? Yeah, but I wasn't listening to music from 11 p.m. To 3 a.m. Every night. Oh really? Yeah, I just took away sleep To play video games. Oh That's fucked. Yeah, I'm pretty I don't know if you've noticed what I've been yawning for about I wasn't gonna say I just went oh, we'll just get you this coffee. You'll be right as rain now star field man

Oh, that's you're just thinking all your time into that. It's I mean, I'm trying to save a galaxy here Oh, is that what you're trying to do? I don't know. I'm about 40 hours into the game and I'm really not sure. I'm exactly. And on the second mission, I'm trying to find artifacts, but I don't know why. I really don't know why. Because they're out there, I think it's like,

why does anybody do anything? We were talking about it, and I think we're saying that it's like, it's pretty Skyrim where you're like, I'll start this, start with the main campaign and you start doing the main campaign and then you're like starting to get sidetracked with all these other missions and then you're 40 hours in, you go,

oh, I gotta get back to the main campaign and then that's when it reveals, like you have some kind of magic power and you go, I've been doing all this without my magic fucking power. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't get my first magic power until about hour 29 in the game.

Just been doing corporate espionage with no magic powers. And now I have in the last like hour I've gotten like six. Jesus Christ. Yeah, they just go mission after it. Like go over here and get this magic. And it's the same. It's not the most exciting part of the game. If I'm being honest with you, you go to a new planet

and then you find a temple that looks identical to the temple on the previous planet. And then you stand in front of a door till it opens. And then you go into a room, and then you float in the room, and a thing spins. And if you touch points of light in the room, it spins a bunch, and then it gives you a power. And then you just, and you fight one dude,

who's not particularly tough. And then you go do that again and again and again, and then you just get some dumb power. Like, you can create an oxygen field, or you can force a push. Huh, I know, it's fine. It's fine, but it's the least interesting part of the game. Yeah.

So far, to me. That's a heartbreaker. Like the main campaign where you go, this isn't really, but I guess that's Bethesda, right? Like, I mean, I am interested in who's behind it all. And what I think is I'm just not interested in hunting down these powers that aren't as cool as my shotgun. That's right.

I have a really good shotgun. It's hard. It does the job. It's hard getting something better than a shotgun. Yeah. You ever own a gun? In my life? Yeah.

No. No, I never have and I never will. Well, never say never. Right. I'm not a, who knows, you know, when the end times come and the world starts to rebuild, and it's like Thunder the Barbarian, the Poles shift, and 80% of the populations wiped out, I have to fight sandworms.

I'll probably have a gun. Do you think that there's a lot of egocentrism in that thinking? Not in, I'll have to get a gun. Do you think that there's a lot of egocentrism in that thinking? Not in, I'll have to get a gun, but to believe that in your lifetime all of that's going to happen. One of the most astute, it's funny you asked that. One of the most astute, I guess,

I don't say observations, but realizations that my friend Bernie Burns ever had that I thought like, you know, here's somebody say something and you go, wow, that's really smart. One time we were talking about this particular subject and he said, the thing that kills me is that people think that they're so significant. Uh-huh. That in the whole of recorded history, you're important enough to be here for that moment. Yep.

Go fuck yourself. Yep, it's not happening. It's not happening. I mean, the thing is, I get it, guys, you're on Twitter and you're very excited to retweet an article that you read the headline of about how everything's falling apart and then you go to your friends, you go, oh, can you believe it? It's not happening in your lifetime, you fucking dunce.

Now, we're going through the fall of Rome. We're not going through the end of the world. Like, please get fucking real. And even if we were going through the biblical end of times, you're still such a minuscule end of times. You're still such a Miniscule portion of it. You know The idea that that the 60 or 70 or if you're incredibly healthy 100 years you get to live Yeah, is the hundred years in the whole of the billions of years of

You of the history of this planet. That's going to see the end or anything significant. Is just hubris. Yep, I agree. Me and Michael decided that we're gonna live for another hundred years. So in about 90 years, we're gonna look back and be like, hey, remember Face Jam in the year 2020, when it's 21-20, I think that's pretty exciting.

I'm gonna live, what age do you think you'll die? Well, 37 now, so like 45. Okay, I really didn't think I was gonna make it past 35, so I'm living on borrowed time, man. You sound like Gus 10 years ago. I think I'm gonna live to be 150. Wow, that's what I'm shooting for. I think that there will be enough advancements in health

that we will be able to realistically. And I want to pour all my money into living forever. I agree, I think there will be a lot of advancements in health that we won't have access to. We got a Garrett from Mega 64, he feels the same way. He's like, it's tough man, we're so close to like, synchronicity where we're like gonna be able to be inside robots.

And I went not, I'm like, just to be clear, not us. You just need to have the, like not. Megasense 64 was influential to the right engineer. I was like, I got you guys on robots. Oh dude, when you guys did the fucking Tetris video, I was like, I gotta make these guys live forever. It's too good. They just, we were talking about it on the way here. They just did a big stream called 64X. they asked Matt Johnson from Nirvana, Nirvana the Band, the show who directed Blackberry

to like, hey, you make a short video. I think it gave Rocco like 40 hours of footage to edit. And they went, here's a new episode of Nirvana the Band, the show fucking crazy. But we were talking about because like, that stuff's cool because people who are way more successful than you are fans of yours. And we were talking about like, Rue Sturth and just like, just thank me on a podium. Yeah. Just get a, if you're really, really successful, just get up there and say, thanks, Jeff. I'm never going to be on a podium.

Right. I recognize that. Like, it's never, I did some early podium stuff very early on in the history of your teeth. And most of it was just opportunities to embarrass Bernie on stage but I'm not going to get back up on a podium ever again. I'll never accept the lifetime achievement award. I'll never get an honorary doctorate. I'm certainly never going to win an award for film work or comedy work. Right. But if someday somebody gets up on stage to accept their golden globe or

they're I don't know, Friars Club Award or whatever it is and just goes, those are the same. I like the, I like this web series when I was a kid. I thought they were pretty funny. That would be nice. Shout out to those guys. You think everyone in the world, make sure you think researchy.

You think everybody, just, I just want to matter to one person who does well, you know? I mean, I want to matter to, I want to matter, but that sounds reductive to the people one person who does well. You know? I mean, I want to matter to... I want to matter, but that sounds reductive to the people who don't do well. I want to matter to everybody, but you know, you just like, I want to be thanked. You want to be like, yeah, not even so much.

Yeah, I guess. That sounds... I want it, but... Ego driven, but... Right, which it is. I just think it'd be cool. I was... I just think it'd be cool to be a success like an award-winning successful person's partial inspiration.

Does that make sense? Yes, I think that would be, I think that would be great. Yeah. I think that would be really fantastic. I don't know that it's going to happen for us, but it's never going to happen. I think that would be cool. That's what pipe dreams are for. That's true.

You got to keep dreaming in those pipes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna go back to Saul, right? How's that been going? Like, you feel like you have a pretty good handle on it or do you feel like you're trying to get a good handle on it? Or you like... Well, this guy looks like Russell Brand.

Well, I can't look at him. You just look at him. No, you can look. He turned away though. You can't see him, but he really does. The back of him looks like Russell Brand. Now the front of him even more. Everybody is here today.

Yeah. Everybody's here today. All the stars are here. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. How is it going? Oh, here comes Russell Brand. Not there he goes. God damn it, man.

You just missing him. I'm never gonna see Russell Brand. He looks like he's ran about vaccine, so it might really be him. I was wondering if you feel like you have a good handle, it does look like Russell Brand. If you have a good handle and so on, right? Or you feel like it's something where you're like, this was fun and I don't want to do it anymore.

Both. Yeah, I've definitely hit the part where this is why I recorded eight before I released one. Yeah. And I'm up to 10 now, I think, recorded because I wanted, I knew I would hit that point and I wanted to see if I could push through or not. Yeah, I didn't expect to hit it in week three just from having to make thumbnails But yeah, I kind of woke up this morning feeling that way That's okay though. You got to push through that. That's to be expected. That's gonna happen

You uh those moments exist no matter how much you like the production that you're working on. The thing about a podcast is everyone wants to start a podcast, but no one wants to do episode 50. Yeah, man, it's why when you have an idea, whatever your idea, your idea is about roofing, then to make a podcast about the ins and outs of roofing. And then you go and you come up with a clever name, and it's like slinging shingles or whatever, you know, very clever. Shingles slingers or what?

And it's like even more clever. And then you Google it and there's seven of that podcast with that name. And you're like, God, damn it. Somebody seven people had that idea before me. But then you look and they all uploaded one or two podcasts in 2018. And then never again. It's fun to do. I think if this wasn't my job, you know, it would be a thing that would be like

fun to do one or two times and then you go, all right, well, back to my regular job. Um, because it is as much as it doesn't feel like work because you're listening to it and you're like, this sounds fun. It is work to have to have to not just do this, but to find the time to do it, to find the time to turn it around and put it up and go, all right, we gotta keep going.

It's work to treat it, it's work to treat it with the respect it deserves. Yep. It's work to treat it like work. Yeah. And unfortunately, if you want it to be successful, you have to, it has to become work and you have to treat it like work. Yeah. And unfortunately, if you want it to be successful, you have to, it has to become work and you have to treat it like work.

It can still be fun. You know, we can have fun in our job, but these things can't be successful unless you give them the attention and the effort they deserve. Yeah, and I think that what we have the benefit of is diversification in what we make. Because if Anima was the only podcast we were doing, we would have to put a lot of focus a lot of energy and a lot of time into something like this.

It'd be a different podcast, though. Exactly. But because Anima is what it is, and it doesn't have to be the biggest fucking thing we do, because we have other things that are doing, that's a f*** face. Yeah, right? That's the strong, that's stinky dragon. Those things have legs that they stand on

that can support something small like this where we can go get a cup of coffee and shoot the shit and hang out because it's the only time you're gonna see Gus. And we have the ability to do something small and not have to put a ton of work into it, and that's nice. But that just means we have to put the work that small and not have to put a ton of work into it, and that's nice. But that just means we have to put the work that we would do here into another thing,

and that would be f*** face, and it's what I do for Face Jam. It's what Gus does for Stinky Dragon. It's the lift, it's the elevation for like, the bigger shows to support something smaller like this, where it's like, we were talking about this last week, like, I don't know what we want to do with Anima. Like, we want to keep doing it, and not like change it.

But it's like, I don't know, we take it on the road. Like we've talked about that for a bit. Right. Sorry that we keep bringing it up. But it's like, I think that's the inevitability of like what we have to do here. Yeah, I'm with you there. Anima's an interesting one because it's a,

if Anima had ended in 10 episodes that I would have been, that would have made sense. Just a quick little walk down memory lane. Now I didn't want it to end in 10 episodes and I don't want it to end in 10 episodes, but we are on episode what? Fifth? Yes, I'm gonna go on for about a year.

Going for about a year, and I would like to get to episode 100, but at some point, you just have to visualize what that is. Yeah. You know what you're working towards. Yeah. And I guess the answer could be as simple as Anma at episode 100. Looks exactly like episode Anma at episode 50.

Uh-huh. But I don't think so. I don't think so either. I don't think that we would be satisfied with that. There has to be some sort of evolution or reason to continue, because Gus and I will run out of stories. Yeah. And that's okay.

We're, that's like, that's inevitable, but I don't necessarily want that to mean the end of the show. No. Because I think you and I, you and I were talking about this privately last week after recording an episode. We both agree that once Amos over,

we'll never see Gus again. we'll never see Gus again. Yeah, and I've, Gus has been my friend now since 1998, and I would like him, I'd like a few more years with him, you know. I'd like at least another two years with him before he disappears from my life forever. Yeah. So yeah, but it's hard to visualize, it can be hard to visualize, spend with a project like this, yeah, but it's hard to visualize. It can be hard to visualize, spent with a project like this, what, it's hard to draw the line out and see where it's going. But I agree with you, I think that touring probably makes sense in some kind of way. Yeah.

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month. You know what's funny about ANMA is if you look at this in the sort of business model of podcasts, ANMA is the behind the paywall bonus one that you pay for, because it is for their, it's fan service, and it's for like really like hardcore fans, but we are putting it out for everyone. I know, the business model of ANMA seems like it would be the ancillary thing for,

you know, face or whatever other podcast where it is a little bit more niche I'm just doing it. Anma is a hundred percent a first only podcast that we didn't make first only I think that's a great way to put it and I see the comments all the time from people I saw one the other day that said I had to stop listening to anma I appreciate the old stories, but I just don't give a shit about Austin Yeah, and I feel like they talk about Austin more than old stories sometimes. And it definitely goes, you know,

there's pips and valleys with that. And I totally get that. And I don't begrudge that person. I get it. And it makes me think about it. Why would somebody who isn't interested in Austin or interested in our old stories, or probably both, wanna listen to this podcast?

Yeah, I'm not okay, because it wasn't designed. No, this is a selfishly designed podcast to hang out with Gus and get coffee. Yeah. It's my favorite podcast to record because I get a free cup of coffee on Mondays. A very good free cup of coffee. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Like, that's new to, 10 out of 10. But that's what this is. And I think that's how you have to look at like the business of podcasting is like, okay, what's your offering outward and then what is behind the paywall? And then because you have ads, but the ads don't support everything.

So like, what's behind the paywall stuff? We have some stuff that'll be coming down the line for not Animo, but just sort of everything for like Ristrathe or whatever behind this first stuff and everything. Right. Which I'm really excited about because to me, it gives us more room to play where, again, Anma doesn't get made if people don't support first.

And I know that sounds kind of backwards because this isn't like a first product, but that's how it works, right? Like, we're able to do it because of that. Right. This is, like Anma's not a project that's ever going to make money. No. We can't come up with a bunch of dumb inventions to sell like in face or clever kitchen gadgets like in face jam or gavils or

we're not gonna sell a ton of t-shirts. Like we're gonna sell some coffee mugs and we might sell some coffee at some point. Right. But yeah, this is definitely, Anma is a deep cut. Anma's a B side, you know? It's that, it's that Led Zeppelin song that only you like.

Yeah and I don't think there's anything wrong with that but I think we have to be really honest about it and we have to be really honest with you guys about it about what the show is and it's, it is a way for us to get together and it is fan service and that's fine but also you have to see that like, the growth capability of something like that is not very big. Yeah.

And again, if this was the only show that we were doing, it would probably lean more like something like how RTP or Drunk Tank was where you'd have to find new stuff and get guests and at more current events or whatever. Yeah. And this is like, we ate the hamburger from Hilberts and we like the hamburger from Hilberts. And I think that's totally fine for a show like this. Yeah.

I wish Gus was around more. Yeah. Oh yeah, just in general, that would be great. But like, that's, but I respect that Gus says no. Now, you gotta love and respect Gus. This is one thing I learned in therapy over the last couple years is about setting and then adhering to boundaries and how, while it can come across as cold,

it's super healthy and necessary for both sides of the relationship. Gus is just, he's not the best at communicating them, but he's very, very good at creating boundaries for himself. I really appreciate that about him. I think you have to consider if it's up to you to disappoint others or disappoint yourself, you should disappoint others. You shouldn't, if you have the ability, you shouldn't disappoint yourself. Yeah, I'm not as good about that as Gus is.

I know. Working with both of you, I'm very aware of that. Incredibly aware of that. But there's a lot of stuff coming for face that I'm really excited about, that I'm thinking about when this comes out, and I think we can talk about it, but we'll wait. And there's a lot of stuff coming for like first and everything that I'm really excited about,

that we're gonna be able to do, but hopefully ANMA is something that we can continue to do, but also if it ends, it ends, I just don't want it to, but here's the thing, when you said like, oh, if we just did 10 episodes, here's why I couldn't do that. If we just did 10 episodes, then this is the new RT at home fucking four episode thing that we recorded or whatever, and the people tweeted me

and just go like, you should do more of that. Man, I wanted to do more of that by the way. I think I was the only one though. Yeah, yeah, I don't care to do more of, it was like, it's fine, but I think just to do that thing there and people need to just be fine with like, this is like a short run thing. And it's like, we're either going to do this really, really, really limited run or we're going to do it in perpetuity.

And I just want to be left alone mostly. So I just want, I don't want people to go, just do more that. You know, I feel like we should, now that we've been talking about this for a while now, we should preface this conversation, we should post preface this conversation by saying that, and that's not on the chopping block, or this isn't even a discussion. This is you and I, we're just,

yeah, we're just talking, this is what we would be talking about otherwise. We have this conversation constantly. We talked about how, we talked like this on Friday. Yeah, and we don't, we don't have this conversation with Gus. Yeah. Because he doesn't want to be a part of it.

Well, yeah, guess just this one. I'm just like, well, I mean, they're going to do it. I'm just not going to do it. And it's like, well, all right. But Eric, you and I are in a lot of ways business partners. Absolutely. And we kind of run the face show together. And we run the Ann Misho.

And now we run my so-all-right show. Like basically everything that I'm a part of, the break show you would have kind of become like, I don't know, a little team, which is great. I love it. And I'm happy with it. But because of that, all of our interactions tend to go in this direction. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I just think that I learned we work very similarly.

So I think I know how to spin you up in the right direction. And it's not to give you a blank piece of paper and say, hey, right down this thing, if I give you 10 things that are already written, you go. That's it. If I can give you something to, if I can like, lob you the ball, you'll lock it out of the park. And that's the way that you go. That's it. If I can give you something to, if I can like lob you, the ball, you'll lock it out of the park. And that's the way that you operate. Like with Michael, we can just sit down in a room and he'll just, what about this? What about that? What about this? What about that? And he'll just go blank. Doesn't matter. Gus, you kind of have to like ease and

find like the route until it's something that he wants to do. And I just think people work differently. You just have to know how to navigate Gus from day to day. Uh huh. And I don't mean that. Oh, that's not negative. Negatively at all. It's just like, Gus is just one of those people.

Yeah. And I think that's fine. Again, it's just the way different people operate. I know how I am. I'm naturally very, I'm not in motion. I like, I like to like sit and wait. And I'm a little bit lazy by nature. And so when I have other people that I know I can spin up.

So I like producing and I don't need to host. Because I like helping other people get going. Yeah, because I'm never going to motivate myself. I had a, when I was in my early 20s, this is one of the strengths of Gus. Oh, nice. I had a 1965 Ford Mustang for just about a year. That I bought, I had always wanted one. My entire life, I had a little bit of money, and so I went and I bought one for like four grand,

and I got a $4,000, 1965 Mustang. It was an utter piece of shit, but it did one thing very well. It went forward fast. Like if you turned it on and hit the gas, it wanted to go in a straight line as fast as it could, and that's all that wanted to do. If it turned, it would start to fall, it would break apart, you know?

But I always feel like I'm kind of, like looking back at it now, I'm kind of like that car. I just want to go forward as fast as possible. Yeah, at all times. I get it. I don't know how to do any other. Yeah, yeah, you just need, it's maneuvering and finding that other stuff.

And I don't know. I think that's just what, that's likeing and finding that other stuff. And I don't know. I think that's just what, that's like the business of show business, right? Like finding the people that work well together and then keeping to me, and we've talked about this, keeping it small and keeping it very like, keeping it very tight with the people that you know

you can be tight with to do the stuff that you want to do. And when you look at things like face or face shape, like these are like small teams, even like you look like red web, stinky dragon, like this kind of stuff, everyone's in like their own like little pocket. And that's just how people they operate well. And then it's part of a larger system that allows them to continue and do this stuff because if it was just us, we're so, it's such small fish stuff, you know what I mean? That you need the help of taking all of these little groups, teaming them together and having the larger push. And that's, so you can be successful. So I podcast right, it's where you see like your mom's house

and all like this other stuff, like these podcast networks and like groups and teams and everything, that's why they work, that's why they operate. Bundles, yeah, yeah, everyone wants bundles. And it makes sense, I mean that's fine. But, you know, podcasts are kind of like, we're, I had this thought earlier when we were talking about

how everybody wants to make one podcast. Yeah, I feel like podcasts in the 2020s thought earlier when we were talking about how everybody wants to make one podcast. Yeah. I feel like podcasts in the 2020s are what independent film was in the 80s and the 90s. OK. Like everybody thought they had one independent movie. Like everybody woke up one day when they were 20 and thought, I can make a movie.

Yeah. You know, it's just a hell of a lot easier to make a podcast than it is to make that movie. It is. The barrier of entry is so low, which is, you know, good and definitely bad. But it's not about finding the stuff that you don't like, it's about finding the stuff you like, gravitating towards that and elevating it,

the best that you can. Because why would you spend your time on stuff you don't like, make any sense? What the fuck are you doing? Can I tell you a funny story that just popped into my head that I haven't thought about since probably 1999? Oh, that's exciting, yeah. So I was talking about that car that Mustang I had. I ended up selling it. I don't remember who I sold it to, but I, there is one dude I didn't sell it to. My neighbor at this, in this old neighborhood, I guess, and I lived in, was a sweet old retired couple that always had

internet problems. So I was always going over to reboot their router and help them fix their internet, right? and they had a son who was in his 20s Who would come by sometimes time to time kind of like a red-necked dude and he came every one day and Asked me about my car and I was like I'm actually trying to sell it. Are you interested? He was like, yeah, I'm interested. And he drove it. And then he, it died on him. And then he put a backwards and backwards and fried my car a little bit.

Oh my God. And he tried to jump it off wrong. And he fried my battery. And then he was just like, you know, I'm not interested. And I was like, dude, I got it. And I had this whole awkward thing where like he fucking, he did some damage to my car, and then he just kind of left,

and I had to figure out how to get my car home and fix it, and I was neighbors with his parents, and they were kind of, it was a whole weird thing for a while, and I think he was maybe a bit of a disappointment to the family. No, but I was over there a couple months later, helping his mom fix her internet, and we got to talk in and I was

just I was just kind of fishing around about like you know what's up with your son. And she was like, yeah, he's had a really hard time, you know, he was married and and then it didn't go well. And then his wife, she left them and moved to LA or she moved to California to do the porno and you know, and now he just he wants her back but she's doing the porno and that's just like really hard on him. And I looked her up and his wife had become a very famous porn star. A very dirty famous porn star.

No way. I don't remember her name now, this is 20 years ago but I remember being like, oh Lord, like clutch my pearls. Oh Lord. Wow. Oh Lord. That's awesome. Yeah, just as an aside, that just Lord, like clutch my pearls, oh Lord. Wow. Oh Lord. That's awesome. Yeah, just as an aside, that just popped into my head.

That's so cool. And I remember thinking like, oh that needs, that needs going through some stuff. I'll buy a new battery, it's fine. That rules. Yeah. You ever see him again? Uh, probably once or twice, they ended up moving away

and he probably helped him move or something, but. Damn, that's awesome. I don't really know the dude, I wasn't friends with him. that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that.

I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able out the VHS. You know what's, there's, be the last thing. What kills me right now is that people call VCR's VHS players because we've been so removed from that technology that no one remembers in a VCR. Yeah, that's all. It's just something weird that I noticed.

And it's not younger people too. It's everyone, it's people like my age. And I'm like, you're 39 and you're saying like VHS, but VCR dude, VCR, the fuck the fuck you talking about yeah what the fuck yeah I don't know and I haven't noticed that but now I will yeah that is all I'll retake talk you'll see I'm already angry Yeah, you're not pre-angry. Don't worry about it. Was this any good? I think he's good enough That's the story of Rooster King. Yeah, sorry. We didn't talk enough. Sorry we didn't talk about a Black Flag album or whatever. Hey, if you want to follow us, you can add anamopodcast.

Hopefully you like this and hopefully you like the thing that we recorded at RTX eight weeks ago. We will be back with new episodes next week where hopefully we will have some more guests on it. I want to get some more guests and do a bunch of that stuff. Who's your favorite Black Flag singer? It's, you got to go between Keith Morris,

Deskidena, Chavo, or Henry Rollins. I guess you could add like all the post break up, like, like, Mike Voleli's or whatever, but... Uh, it's Henry Rollins. It's... When I put on TV party, it's not... It's not supposed to be an anthem, it's making fun of people who are watching TV.

I don't give a fuck. I love TV party. You gotta love TV party. It's a supposed to be an anthem. It's making fun of people who are watching TV. I don't give a fuck. I love TV party You got to love TV party. It's a fantastic song. Uh-huh from a fantastic era There's no it's like saying what's your favorite flavor of ice cream? There's no wrong answer It's hard to beat well. Hinnerone's definitely not my favorite, but He was very good that first damaged album is so good. Uh-huh. Uh-uh, like Chavo. He was, he was like raw. Yeah, rough.

I get it. There you go. He talked about music. That's pretty good. Henry Rollins in an interview said that Black Flag wasn't a thing that he enjoyed. It was a thing he survived. And I went, that's pretty cool. That's a great way to put it.

That's a great way to put it. If you've never read Get in the Van, it is a fun man. I feel like I say the word phenomenal too much. That's my new thing. I'm gonna stop saying phenomenal It's a fantastic book. You can say a lot. I worked at a razor and that's what our CEO said all the time He would call things phenomenal. So I'm basically like a CEO. You're just like major peripheral company. Yeah, get a rainbow keyboard Bro guys, thanks for listening to follow us at anima podcast Instagram on Twitter Our slash anva podcast is the subreddit that we do not run.

You can check us out there. Hey, go subscribe to first and let them know what do I listen to and you listen to this because that's important and it helps us. And people go, hey, the fucking ANIMA is on the, this is on your semen, people listen to this. That's great, that helps. Also, please listen to my so-all-right podcast.

If you're listening to this, then it sounds like you're already receptive to the idea of listening to a podcast. If you are listening to this and you haven't listened to So All Right, you're the fucking craziest person I know. That's insane to listen to this and go, nah, I don't need So All Right. You're a fucking psycho. Go listen to So All Right.

If you listen, if you're this far into this, really, legitimately, if you're this far into this and you haven't checked out so all right, what the fuck are you doing? It's really easy, it's short. It is. It's short, well, some of them are shorter than others. First one, about 15 minutes.

Second one, there's someone in the 30-minute range now. Yeah, right around there. But the recordings are much longer, and sometimes, breathe recorded. So check us out there, go follow us so all right. Listen to a face, listen to face jam. Listen to stinky dragon. Stinky dragon tearing it up right now, by the way.

God damn man. They're not crazy. They deserve every bit of success that they're having. And they are having, I don't know, I don't know if the audience gets to see it. They don't get to see the macro, level view. They just get to enjoy the content. They get to see the other people around them

enjoying it and having a moment and the fervent positivity around it. But I'm able to see it from a 10,000 foot view, and it is doing so incredibly historically well. Like it's really impressive. If you subscribe to first go, they're gonna have a bunch of stuff coming out on first pretty soon.

I think they just started putting out like a post show called like second wind or something. Check that out too. Check out stinky dragon. It helps us out and that's important to us. It's the only production, and I mean this with 100% honesty, where I've walked in to rooster teeth,

walked onto a set and Benjello, so I wasn't a part of it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, the stuff they're doing right now that we can't talk about is like, so fucking cool. A little bit of text, audio text for that. We got planes trains and automobiles, so we're good. Yeah, I didn't wanna leave their room the other day.

Is there a goal? It was so impressive and so cool. And like you know, when you walk into a, if you work in production or if you work in production, you can tell in three seconds how good the show is based on the vibe in the room. It's very good. And it is like, I didn't want to leave that vibe.

It's super positive and they want to show you every part of it. Yeah. They want to just keep showing you. Because it's fucking awesome and it's good. Because there's awesome stuff to show you. Yeah. Barbara sat there with me and was like, watch this clip.

Now watch this clip. And I wanted to watch, I saw that she had like 80 clips on her phone. I wanted to watch every single one of them. They're very cool. They're very cool. Well, thanks for listening. You have any final thoughts?

Parting words for anyone? Desinito 10 out of 10? No. Desinito 10 out of 10. Hope you enjoyed the Desinito Chronicles episode one. Looking forward to doing episode two here in about nine weeks or so. Yeah.

Let us know what you would like to see from Ann, what you think we could do with it or where to go. If we went on the road with it, where should we go? What would we talk about? What would that look like? Any old stories you've heard, Gus and I reference on podcasts or do you hurt us tell in the first 200 episodes of the podcast that you'd like to hear us retell with a little,

maybe a little bit more flair, but probably less accuracy, 20 years on. And that's really all we're doing here, so it's fine. Yeah, just, just miss remember in our past. All right, thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye.

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