ANMA - No Gus, Just Us

Episode Date: August 1, 2022

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Well, where to start? Where to begin? First off, let me say out the gate. Good morning, Eric. Good morning, Jeff. Wherever you are in the world, good morning, Gus. This is a Gustless episode, not by choice. No Gus, just us.

Yeah, there, oh, okay. All right, let me hang on. I gotta write that down because that's the title. No Gus, just us. That's great. Number two. Okay. Okay.

We have been in the middle of a bunch of different projects and a bunch of conventions and a lot going on. Number two. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I actually covered this in the main podcast I do, and we do, well, you do a million podcasts, but the main one that I do, f*** face. We did a, and if you've never listened to it, I highly recommend it, because I think it's a great,

one of my favorite things when people do is give you a peer behind the veil of how the sausage gets made. And I think it's while humorous, and it may even feel a little performative, it is a hundred percent honest peer behind the veil of what it's like for you behind the scenes. Oh yeah, it's a manage.

Yeah. And to produce. And I don't envy you because here we have a podcast that's gonna be, it's kind of set up to be a fan favorite because it's got two of the founding members of the company, the two that are still alive, kicking and doing fun stuff. And it's a nostalgia play.

So you want to tune in for that little dopamine hit of nostalgia each week, but it's also just quote unquote, it's featuring, I don't like the word starring, it's featuring probably two of the three most difficult people in the company to schedule. Absolutely. That's absolutely true. Like I would say Gus, Jeff and and Gavin are the three hardest people. And Gavin destroys Gus and I, by the way. I mean, it's, yes, you are all in the top three.

Yeah. The difference between first and second is. It's not a close race. No, it's a country mile. It's, it's a real tough. And I don't mind it by and large, because I feel like we're still, we'll come out and like, oh, we'll still like make something or do something or whatever. And I feel like the content when we all get together is fucking great.

If this show f**king face whatever, I really enjoyed it. If I didn't like it, then I would really hate my fucking job. But when the ask around the rest of the company is, Hey, we have some new ideas that we want. This will be Jeff and Gavin starring in and I went, oh yeah. Is that what you think? Oh, cool.

Oh man. I will say this, it's also, it's a testament to Gavin. But not, it's not meant to be a testament to Gavin although it is, it's more of an insult to Gus. But where's Ryan going with this? But if Gavin doesn't show up for f**k face, we can't film f**k face. Yes But if Gavin doesn't show up for f*** face, we can't film f*** face. Yes.

If Gus doesn't show up for Ann look, we're making Ann. Yeah, yeah, we're still making this show. Yeah. So here's the thing that I think we're going to get on this episode. Is people are going to be, oh man, this would have been a great first episode

to have a guest on. That's not what I don't think that should be the show. The show shouldn't be Jeff and Gus get together to talk about this thing. And then if Jeff isn't available, Gus and Gus and Jason. Or Brian Garver. It's not that.

Like that's not the show. The show is you two talking about this stuff and then I have to sub in when I'm flavor. I'll just pepper in and that, that's fine. But I feel like I really wanna save the guest for both of you guys. I agree. Because that's when we're gonna get the most out of it,

because the thing about you guys telling stories is that by and large, you're on the same page. But when you bring in a third person, sides will be taken, and I can't wait to see it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, man, I, well, I agree with you. I think that's some excellent producing there. I also think that when the diva, I'm not gonna name who it was,

who's the diva in this three-person podcast is, but when the diva decided that we were gonna go seasonally and you and I were like, you and I are not seasonal people. No, we're Howard Stern fans. We want to tune in three hundred and six five days a year. We're not three day a week Howard Stern fans. We're five day a week

Absolutely. Uh, that world doesn't exist anymore. That has a for a long time. Uh, but so, you know, the original plan was, well, you and I will film an episode to bridge the gap. And then I think you and Gus tried to, but it didn't work. Uh, and then some asshole, somebody somebody leaked the, uh, the live episode from from RTX. Uh, so my idea for that supplemental between you and I was, I'll just interview you about your life. some asshole, somebody, somebody leak the live episode from RTX. So my idea for that supplemental between you and I was I'll just interview you about your life. We've done that now, but here we are making the podcast, we gotta do it again.

And it's becoming clear to me that I am doing this podcast, and I don't mean this in any diminutive way, but I thought I was making a podcast with Gus. Now very clear to me that I'm making a podcast with Gus and Eric. It's now very clear to me that I'm making a podcast with Gus and Eric. That's you. And that's okay, too. But whatever this is is going to be like, and it's like a dog leg off the main podcast

definitely. That's going to show up probably more often than I, yeah, than either of us recognizes. Gus really wants to make this show. And he also really wants to do the other things that he's doing. Yeah. And we found where the priority is. But here's the thing. Here's what I like about this.

I come from that group, Mega 64, and I feel like it mirrors a lot of rooster teeth. And the thing that we did more than anything else was, if somebody's not here, fucking get him. They're not here, fucking get him. They're not here to defend themselves, they're fucking toast. We get after it. Yeah, they did. Yeah.

To that end, I know you had some questions you wanted to ask me. I had some stuff I wrote down. I do want to, because he's not here to defend himself. And the spirit of this podcast, this still supposed to be kind of rooted in the past of Rucer T and our friendship. I'd like to talk about, have we discussed yet? Secret Gus.

Secret Gus? Have we talked about Secret Gus yet on this podcast? Uh-huh. Okay. Well, podcast Gus isn't here. Uh-huh. A lot of know if we mentioned this yet at the outset, but going to be way more visual or audio texture than we've had visual. We're audio texture than we've had in the visual.

We were audio texture than we've had in a while. We're at Monkiness Coffee. Well, we're across street from Monkiness Coffee, which is a good choice on this one, because Gus would never. Never. So like good choice, but here's the thing. It's on Burnett, which is,

I mean, one of the busiest streets. Yeah. The one of the longest busiest streets in Austin. So if you hear a lot of cars, very sorry. But that's what it is. That's what it is. So tell me about secret guests. OK.

So Gus and I have been friends for a very, very long time. He moved to Austin. I want to say in 1997, and I moved in 1998, the tail in the 98. And so Gus is also, well, he's a what you see, what you get guy. He's a wizzy with guy. He doesn't make a lot of friends. He's not an extrovert, right?

So when I met Gus and we became friends, and by the way, I used to be an extrovert. This career has changed that. Yeah, I get that to the extent, this career has changed me in a lot of ways. That's definitely one of them. But we became fast friends because we had, I don't know, we just, we were aligned in a lot of ways, right?

And so we became, we developed a really deep, lifelong friendship. Like, I know no matter where I am in my life, no matter what's going on, when I'm 80 years old, Gus will still be a part of my life. Yeah. And I'll still be a part of my life. Yeah. And I'll still be a part of his life. When Rouser Teeth is long gone

and all of the friendships that we made along the way have burned to the ground, there are a few people I, without a doubt, I know will still be in each other's lives. And that's a, it's a special thing to find someone that you care that deeply about that quickly. And it's not just about caring, you're also just so, I don't know, politically creatively aligned, socially aligned.

We just, we fit really well together. And so pretty early on, I buy the house, my first house, we talk about that, I think already, Gus moves in, and he lives with me, and we become, so we're early on, I buy the house, my first house, we talk about that, I think, already. Gus moves in, and he lives with me, and we become, so we're living together, right? This fucking guy's secret Gus starts showing up. He actually started showing up before we live together when Gus was in an apartment.

And the reason I bring up all the other stuff about Gus is because Gus doesn't have a shitload of friends. I don't either, to be honest, or to be fair. Our social, like the Venn diagram of my friends and Gus' friends is a circle, right? We work at the same company, we met all the same people. Gus knew a sum total of two people that I didn't know before I moved to Austin, I think.

Frank and his friend Joe, who we lived with, right? And I incorporated both of those people into my friend group pretty quickly. Joe, he didn't make it along very far. I don't know what ever happened to Joe. But Frank became a very dear friend very quickly. And so, it's one of those situations where I'm like, I don't know everybody Gus knows,

but I know everybody Gus knows. And vice versa. Right. And this is a person who, you know, I don't know who your best friend in life growing up is. But it's like that person who you're like, oh, I'm gonna do X. And X could be anything. I called, you know, I'm gonna go eat lunch. I'm gonna you're like, oh, I'm gonna do X, and X could be anything. I called, you know, I'm gonna go eat lunch,

I'm gonna go to the grocery store, I'm gonna go watch a movie, I'm gonna go jet ski, I call X, Gus is my X, I'm Gus's X, right? There's gotta be an X, there's gotta be a good way to phrase that, all right. I feel like I'm being too verbose with this anyway, I'm just trying to pad. Anyway, so Gus is the person I spend all my time with, and vice versa, right?

Even though I'm married at the time, unhappy. And so it's weird when you call up Gus on a Tuesday and you say, hey, I was thinking about going to get some barbecue tonight, you wanna go and he goes, oh, I can't, I got plans. And you go, oh, okay, what are you doing? And he goes, I just have plans. Whoa.

And you go, are you hanging out with somebody? And he's like, I might see, I'm my hanging out with some people, I just, I just have plans. Whoa. And he goes, are you hanging out with somebody? And he's like, I might, I might see, I might hang out with some people. I just, I got a thing I'm doing. And you're like, oh, okay, well, and you keep waiting for him to, like extrapolate or explain, and you're like, okay, I guess I'll hang up now.

You know, I don't, I don't want the conversation to go from here, you know? And then you ask like the next day, you see him and you're like, I'm like, oh, you missed some good barbecue and he'll be like, oh, yeah, sorry, you know, maybe next time. I'm like, how was your thing? He's like, it's fine. And like, what'd you do?

And he's like, yeah, that's not, that's, I did some stuff. And you're like, I don't, I've been looking at my ex-wife, and you're like, what, am I crazy? Is he like, he's offered nothing, you know? And you're like, okay. And that started, maybe two of the friendship, secret Gus would emerge every once in a while. And that's what we called him, not just me,

like all of our friends called him secret Gus. He became a character, you know? It's awesome. Like when we used to call, we used to have this phrase and we all worked at Tell & Network, and Bernie was our boss. When somebody did something in a certain way, we'd call a pulling a Bernie.

It was very frustrating when somebody would pull a Bernie and it was definitely an insult. I think it was kind of like, I don't know if you ever watched cheers back in the day. And if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably pretty old, but if you're not, go back and listen, watch cheers

because it is one of the best television shows of all time and it holds up, I just did a full watch through again, like three years ago, holds up incredibly well, very well written. But there's an episode where a mailman comes in and Cliff Clayvin, who's the mailman who sits at the bar with Norm and he's like a cast regular is very self-aggrandizing, talks about

how great of a mailman he is and he's like very smart. And a mailman comes in and they find out through the course of this conversation that when somebody screws up at their mail office they call it pulling a Clayvin those last names clavin so we had pulling a Bernie right awesome. Oh maybe someday we'll explain what that is. That's a good story too.

So anyway secret Gus started to emerge and he would disappear for months at a time and then sometimes he'd be around three times in a week and so one day I'm talking to Frank and I'm like we have we get to the bottom of this secret Gus thing. Like I don't know what's going on here. And he agrees and so we just agree that we're just gonna like, you know, start sharing notes if you will. One time I get a secret Gus and I'm like,

it is actually on a Tuesday. I was using it as an example, but I call him on a Tuesday and I'm like, well, you wanna go out and do this thing and he's like, oh, I can't, I got a thing and I'm like, I have fucking secret Gus today. this thing? And he's like, oh, I can't, I got a thing. And I'm like, I fucking see your gust today. I guess I don't get my friend, you know? And also, to be honest with you, I have no problem at 47 saying, I can be real about this.

I'm jealous. I'm like, who's my friend hanging out with? It's the caginus of the whole thing. It makes me feel deprioritized and important. Yeah. Like, if he were just to tell you, I'm going to do this, then you'd be like, okay, whatever, I'm not invited, it's not a big deal.

There's something that it's like he doesn't want. Attentively. Do I, is it something I would want to do and he doesn't want me there? What, there's too many questions and it gets you spinning too much. Does he have friends that don't like me? Exactly.

Or is it our friends that want to hang out together and they don't want me there because I'm annoying or the mind, it's too self-spirals. Quick, you just like the shot to your self-confidence when you don't know, but you just have to spin up ideas. That's not good. That's bad. And for people that work in a creative industry

where your job is to spin your thoughts and be creative, you just go down dangerous rabbit holes, where you're like, oh my God, Gus is gonna break up our friendship, all of a sudden, just cause he didn't wanna hang out on a Tuesday. And I'm also like 24 at this point, so I'm a kid, and so I'm just pouty, and I'm talking to Frank about it one time and he's like,

oh, when did you have a secret Gus? And I'm like, fucking last Tuesday, I got secret gust. And he was like, what was the date? And I tell him that he goes, he goes, dude, I went by his place because I needed to pick something up that I'd left there. I went by unannounced. He was just folding clothes. I go, what? He goes, yeah, he was just doing laundry. I asked him what he was doing.

And he was like, he was just at home doing laundry. And we realized that secret Gus was just, when Gus didn't wanna hang out with anybody, he would pretend to have plans. And then he would just do laundry or watch Mad Men or whatever it is the Gus does. What? And I was like, why did you invent a thing?

Just tell us, I just gotta do laundry tonight. That's so- But he loved the mystery. He wanted, it was an ego thing with him, I think. He wanted to be mysterious. He wanted us to be like, Frank and I to be like, Racken or Brains going like, who does Gus like more than us?

Is Ruben in town? This is from Ruben from grade school? Like, who is it? This is crazy. Yeah, and it was years. And so, I bring this up because as you and I are sitting here at a park bench right now, I assume secret gusts

is doing laundry in this fucking house right now. He's definitely folding clothes at 10.30 AM on a Tuesday. This motherfucker. It's funny to have the idea that you would create a scenario where somebody would be like, I gotta get to the bottom of this and all you're doing is not wanting to hang out. Yeah, what the He didn't have anywhere to go. There were no secret friends. It was not it was nothing

It was just that like he just didn't feel like hanging out sometimes, which I totally respect. No, he's an introvert Yeah, just so you don't want to hang out. It's fine. I tell you another good. Okay, continue down the Wish he was here for this one. Continue down the secret Gus. Uh, uh, rabbit hole. Rabbit hole. I walk it, Gus and I live together. Yeah. I can't believe I'm saying this.

I've said this on podcasts before, I'm sure. But I just, I'm thinking about it and I still just can't believe how ludicrous it is. I walk into my house one day, four in the afternoon. In my living room is Gus and a girl. They're not doing anything. They're just hanging out. And I go, hey man, how's it going? He goes good, good. And I go, hi, I'm Jeff. And the person introduced themselves, I'm not gonna out who it was. It may have been Gus's current wife. It might have been an ex-girlfriend or whatever. It's not important to this.

It's just a girl he's staying there with. And I go, oh hey, I'm Jeff, nice to meet you. And then I go, this is quiet, just awkward, you know. Guss awkward anyway, but it's just awkward. And I go, and I'm in my living room feeling awkward. So I go like, how do you guys know each other? And she goes, we're dating, I'm Guss' girlfriend. And I went, oh, congratulations, that's great. How long have you guys been dating? Would you like to guess the number I got? Three weeks.

Eight months! Oh my god, God says about eight months. We lived together in a 1200 square foot house. He dated somebody without telling me under my nose for eight months. Eight! That's the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard. I'm a different kind of lunatic, right? I'm a different kind of fucked up.

I acknowledge that. I met my first wife and with the eight months we were married. That's wrong. We shouldn't have done that. That was stupid. That was juvenile. That was wrong in a million different ways for a 21 year old to get married to somebody he'd known for eight months. But not to

acknowledge the existence to the person your best friend and roommate. Your roommate. Eight months. That's, that's insane. So, but like you guys work together and had and would go out and hang out and he just never No, my girl told me if you sent me pictures tomorrow Uh-huh of Gus in Alaska with an entire like Eskimo family that he that with like seven kids I would be like I Yeah, I guess that yeah, do you think that's where he is now? I don't know dude. He's either doing laundry or he's in the middle of like some 17-year-long relationship with somebody a friend or she might have a hole

He might be Eric. He might be his other crew. He's got his other job. He seems to just be heating up over the accounting firm Where he's so much he's so he's the cause of your god damn So uh that's crazy the call of the God damn. So that's crazy. Yeah, man. How is he? How was Gus's a roommate? Like how long did you guys live together? Uh, we live together multiple times.

Uh, okay. So how was he progressively as a roommate? Did you see changes? No, no. Gus is a surprise man. Gus cleans up after himself. He's, uh, I wouldn't say fisterious, but he's very orderly. He doesn't make a mess to begin with.

Right. He doesn't really cook. He orders out, so there's not a lot of kitchen mess. And he sticks to himself most of the time. He only comes out to play video games. Otherwise, he's in his room. He was a perfect roommate. It was a perfect friendship.

Because if Gus didn't want to hang out or if I didn't want to hang out, we could easily be around each other without being around each other or ignoring each other, which is why Seeker Gus was such a suprifluous character who was just completely unnecessary. That's crazy. Yeah, that's so crazy.

Yeah, to what a life, what a way to live where you just, yeah, just eight months. What a what a way to live where you just yeah just eight months what what eight months Wow eight months that is incredible Yeah, man What would you do if you had the freedom to be anyone or to go anywhere without limitations? Start your journey and experience for yourself the feeling of total freedom when you game with Alienware Alienware is your portal to new worlds where limits don't exist and the only rules

are the ones you decide to make. Defy boundaries and start gaming now at alienware.com. Next-gen gaming is built with Intel Core i9 processors. Wow, how many times did you live with Gus? Two or three. It was always in that same house. What, what, what, I think we covered this. Wait, wait, it was always in that same house like he would move out and then I think we covered this. Wait, wait, it was always in that same house,

like he would move out and then move back in. Yeah, yeah, like I think he lived twice. We moved in together and then he moved to Puerto Rico. Oh, right, right. And then when he came back, he lived with me again for a little while until he got a place. Okay, okay.

And he could have lived with me for the rest of his life. Yeah. Oh, I understand that. I have friends like that. Can I tell you, and I would have been fond of that. Can I tell you how he moved out? Oh, I have a police. The last time he moved out.

It was after he came back from Puerto Rico. So at this point, I had been divorced for my first wife. I had met, fallen in love with, and gotten married, or actually we weren't married yet. Had gotten, was living with and dating my second, who became my second wife. Uh huh. And we found out we were pregnant,

which was very welcome. Yeah, we weren't planning on it in that moment, but we had already decided we were gonna have kids together and I had kind of gotten out of my first marriage because I didn't wanna have kids with that person, but I desperately wanted to have kids. And so we, anyway, that's how it really happened. My now 17 year old daughter, almost 17 year old daughter.

So we found out the next day Gus came home we were in the living room. I sat him down. I said I have some news to share to you Oh, he goes You know Gus gets his hackles up immediately. He's like what's going on? You know what you're both staring and so he sits down in chair And I go I just want to share some news. It's kind of a big deal to us. I'm really excited about it But we're pregnant. We're gonna have a baby. Uh-huh and Gus. This is I'm just gonna give you Gus like I just said We're pregnant. We're gonna have a baby. And Gus, I'm just gonna give you Gus. Like I just said, we're pregnant. We're gonna have a baby.

I'm moving out. And then he turned around and went to his room. The pause, the breathing, the disappointed look, and then just, I'm moving, matter of fact, I'm moving out, and that's why Gus and I, that's when we stop living together. Once again, totally get it, but, so Gus. That's phenomenal.

How long did it take for him to move out? Like three weeks, he was out pretty good. He was out of there, he meant it. So you guys have lived together a bunch of times. Yeah. It'd known each other for a long time. Since starting the company, how would you say that your friendship

has changed with Gus? It has. I couldn't imagine that it did. Yeah, it hasn't changed in any way whatsoever. I would imagine with other people, the other guys, like from this company, it probably has in other ways. With Gus, I can't imagine that it would like route in any because it's Gus.

Yeah, it's weird, man. Gus and I never, never, there were, you know, especially for the first, let's say, let's just say the first 10 years. It was a much, you know, it was a three to four to five to 30 person company in that period. But for the first seven years, it was about six of us, you know, realistically seven. It was very intense. We talked about how the trouble we had with work life, home life balance, and how much we poured into the company. It was a labor of love. We used to very rarely would I argue with Matt. Right. More often would we argue with Bernie.

Uh, or vice versa. I don't know. I don't know that Gus and I have ever really argued about anything. Right. I mean, argue in the way that friends argue because they want to get each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're fucking around with each other. But actually, we've never fought about work really. Yeah. We've never, and to be totally honest with you, like, like I was thinking about this earlier, I've, the people that I have, like, really deep friendships with currently, and I was thinking about Jack.

Our friendship, Jack's the guy I started to achieve my hunter with. Our friendship was formed through the creation of achievement hunter, right? My friendship with Gus was cemented before, and then we created Rooster Teeth, but they really, the two have nothing to do with each other. And it's weird because they should,

it should be more intermingled. I don't know how to describe it, then just like, it doesn't matter. Rooster Teeth doesn't matter to my friendship with Gus, and I don't think. And I would say he'd probably feel the same way. If anything, the friendship has grown in the way that we have both allowed ourselves to become,

I don't know, the people that were moving on to be, which is not the people that we were when we met and that can create wedges and distance. And there's something about the more distance you put between Gus and I, the stronger the friendship is. Oh wow. Which is a weird thing to say, but I think part of the way that we were able to bond over the years is by is. Oh wow. Which is a weird thing to say. But like, I think part of the way that we were able to bond over the years

is by giving each other space. Like Gus is a very, very solitary, but you know this, you've done him for a very long time. Oh yeah. And you, honestly, you probably know him now socially more than I do. Yes, yeah. I haven't hung out with Gus.

And it sounds weird. Say this is one of my two best friends in the world. Yeah. But I haven't hung out with Gus socially in years. Gus doesn't hear but I haven't hung out with Gus socially in years. Gus doesn't, here, haven't got a meal with Gus in probably seven years. I had lunch with him on Friday.

There you go. But Gus doesn't like hang out. Guy, you know, like, I can call Blaine or someone we work with. And like, hey, I'm gonna do this, you know, hang out. And it's like, yeah, you have people that you hang out with. There's other people where you just like, oh, that's my great friend, we never hang out.

And there's just, it's just like a certain kind of person that's just like that. And it's sort of like, you kind of say it, like we picked up what we left off and we haven't seen each other for years kind of thing. But with Gus, it's like, there's no leaving off. It's like, this is just the friendship. You know, I know he's out there would die for me,

and vice versa, and I'm so comfortable in our friendship that I don't feel the need to see him or reach out to him or be around. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. I don't know, it's just, my friendship with Gus is breathing. It just is. It exists.

Yeah, right. And I will say also too, a lot of people might find that weird and might find it weird, the Gus and I don't really spend a lot of time together. I think it's, I think you would be lucky if you don't have a friend like that in your life, you would be lucky to find one. I agree.

And I do think that it's a certain kind of person that you hang out with or don't hang out with, I guess, and so I have like that friendship, but I also think it's an age thing, right? Like, I'm 36 and I don't hang out the way that I used to with the amount of people and doing the amount of things that I did when I was 26. Of course.

When I'm 46, it's going to dwindle even more. But I also have the core sort of like friendships that I have and that kind of stuff. And I think that's important, and I think it's also important to know when, when depressed and when not to press for like we really got to hang out like hey I haven't seen you in forever there's certain friends haven't seen you forever we guy hang out and other friends where you shoot a text and you go

you see this bullshit and they go fucking crazy and that's I think that's just the way that is like you guys started a company together your friendship hasn't changed if anything it's become stronger we also spit 15 16 hours a day together every day and then we go home and live together. And that's where I was gonna get at. Like, to start a company is one thing and to like put so much into it, but then to be like, all right, see you at home.

Yeah. Yeah. And to like not fucking kill each other. Uh-huh. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Like as Rooster Teeth sort of grew, I assume you guys work together like less?

Oh yeah, yeah. That's just sort of like how that split happens, right? Yeah, it's like, I always think about well like when bands break up and they always cite creative differences. And it's like, I imagine that would have happened to Roostery at some point if we hadn't positioned ourselves as a production company where when we had creative quote unquote differences or not even really differences, but just desires, we could support each other and give each other space to go do those things.

Like, when I was creating Achievemohunter, like we were all in on Red versus Blue for a very long time. And that was very intense. Then as I started peeling off to create a Chief Mahunner and create a little, I don't know, my own slice in the company, Gus was doing the same thing with the broadcast, well, became the broadcast problem with podcasting with this. He really spearheaded and took that on.

And so that started to send us and all of us in different directions. In the company, we all ended up in charge of different arms of the company and at the ends of different spokes on a wheel. And our interactions became less and less and less because of that. And it was a shame because I got to spend time

with those people less and less. But it was also a wonderful feeling because I knew that I had the space to do it and I had the support and that I had the trust. And I could trust that I didn't know what Gus was doing, but whenever he was doing, he was kicking ass for the company. And I was doing the same thing. And I think that that trust only comes from the repetition of working together and developing

that shorthand and becoming so aligned. And it was that intense six, seven years that we all spent together in the same room trying not to kill each other, that allowed us to trust each other, to go off and grow the company in different directions. And the reality is, once those directions start to take off, it becomes very difficult,

nigh impossible to get back together. Yeah. Like there was never a way that Bernie and Gus and Matt and Jeff were all gonna end up working on the same thing again. Not because they didn't want to, not because they had creative differences, not because they were no longer aligned, but just because they all had different things to work,

different passions and different parts of the company to grow and support. Yeah, you put a lot on your back doing that stuff and I think there's always, I think that's why starting this podcast is really cool. Because I, like, you keep saying that, you know, the only way that you get to hang out with your friends now is if you have a podcast with them

at which you are doing successfully, many different ways. But I think it's also just nice to be able to work cohesively on something and not worry about the burden of like, well, I have to do this, I have this huge thing over here, I have this huge thing over here. You guys can just sort of like,

well, for an hour, we can fuck off and do this thing. Yeah, I think that one of the reasons that Ruchteeth was able to be successful, and a million reasons, talent, right place, right time, hyper-supportive community, a lot of luck, but we were able to develop a trust that is unbreakable. Yeah, for sure. I like, I cannot, like I don't trust anybody on Earth as much as I trust us. Yeah, for sure. I like, I cannot, like, I don't trust anybody

on earth as much as I trust us. Yeah, no, I get it. I get that. And, uh, and Bernie for that matter. And that, that, that trust allows a lot of, I don't know, allows a lot of freedom, you know? Yeah, and, and I think it lets you, uh, it lets you go out and do this stuff,

like start things like achievement hunter and do like those other things and know whatever you're kind of working on or whatever, they're still like the core of what you guys were doing. And that's what, like, just like keep coming back to like the friendship thing with Gus or whatever, because it's not like, I don't see you guys ever fucking work together on it for as long as I've been here. I've never seen you guys work together on anything. Anything. The most you'll ever see, well, before this podcast, is I would very, very rarely get invited

to the RT podcast. Yeah, the RT podcast. Usually when somebody cancels the last minute. Yeah. And it would, because it's always a thing where it's like, well, we'll try to get Jeff on, but we can't have Jeff on too much because Jeff has other shit to do.

So we can try to have Jeff, well, let's see what we can sort of, it's just that, because like you're saying, you have other shit going on. In the company, there's a lot of other stuff going on. And it's just that, because like you're saying, you have other shit going on. In the company, there's a lot of other stuff going on. And it's like, yeah, I would love to get together and work and fuck off and hang out and all that stuff, but it's just, you're in different arms, different branches, like the stuff or whatever.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. A few years ago, well, I don't remember when we did it, but it was years and years ago, we did a, I think it was probably for extra life, we did a drunken red versus blue commentary or something. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a mess. Uh huh. Like, we had fun and it was great.

We had a lovely time and we all got together and had a great night together and it was, we had a lot of fun and it was a huge mess. But I remember about that time, I had, I got super nostalgic and I went to Bernie and Matt and Gus and I was like, wouldn't it be fun? I flooded I went to Bernie and Matt and Gus, and I was like, wouldn't it be fun? I flooded this idea to him. I was like, wouldn't it be fun if we got some old Xboxes? And we put them together, and we just made,

the four of us just made one episode of Red Vs. Blue together, the old way. That would be in season one. Season one. And I was like, we could just, like, just a three minute video, you know? And there was zero desire from anyone other than Jeff to do that. And I was like, they let me like, I was a fucking asshole.

I was like, all right, well, I thought it would be fun. Yeah, nobody else wanted to do that. I think a great way to scratch that nostalgia. I think that's great. I think that's such a good idea. I wish you guys would have done that. That would have been hilarious. I think it would have been fun.

At Mega 64, every time we would release like a DVD or a Blue Rye or whatever, it's like, oh, we're putting this thing out Oh, we're repressing it. We're doing it again We would record new commentary for the episodes and it would just be like It would scratch that it's just enough of like Being able to watch the thing that you did forever ago was like making it again But you didn't have to go through

any of the hard work and you can just go, who want a piece of shit? And then just move on. So I really recommend revisiting commentary and doing new commentary on very old stuff. I like that idea. Yeah. Like, if you took old achievement under videos and you just did commentary over five of them and then you went, that was great, done with this. Yeah.

No more. So friendship with Gus, largely not influenced by like your work and everything here. You know, I would be interested to see to hear his opinion on that. That's my take on it. He might feel differently, but I don't think so either. I think he's probably, but I guess what I was gonna ask is you're talking about starting a cheap 100 with Jack.

How has that been different? Like how's that friendship different from where that started? Well, it's a very, very different kind of friendship. Right. And our friendship is very much tied to work. And I don't mean that in a negative way at all, but our friendship is tied to work. And I don't mean that in a negative way at all, but our friendship is tied to creativity.

In a good way, I would say that Jack is probably like the sweetest, most supportive friendship I have. I just like, during the pandemic, I would consider Gus Gavin and Jack my three best friends on earth. And during the pandemic, Jack is the one I saw the most by far. Oh, wow. Yeah, I saw Gus, like, Gus and I saw each other for coffee, maybe three times. Mm-hmm.

Jack and I saw each other for coffee, maybe 15 times. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's just we see each other every week. Come rain or shine. I think we were definitely more, our, our friendship is more emotionally supportive, you know. We share feelings a lot. I answer feelings with Gus. No, Gus and I don't share a lot of feelings.

Very, very rarely. We talk through stuff, Jack and I. Yeah. Yeah, but it is interesting, because you bring that up, because I was thinking about it, I was thinking about a bed. My friendship with Jack happened

as we were making Achievement Hunter together. Right. And it is very much tied to Achievement Hunter. with Jack happened as we were making Achievement Hunter together. Right. And it is very much tied to Achievement Hunter. I mean, if Achievement Hunter died tomorrow, my friendship with Jack wouldn't die. He'll be friends with him. Of course. Of course.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, he's a wildly different person. Yeah. He annoys me in totally different ways than Gus annoys me. But just as much. You know, the only person, the only person who never annoys me, and when they do, it's very rare, and when they do, it's purely scheduled wise time, I get it.

The only person on earth who doesn't annoy me is Gavin. So I was going to ask next, how's that been with Gavin? Because that, so you talk about starting a company with Gus, and starting a chief hunter with Jack. Gavin was a fan that became, I mean, a cornerstone, a keystone to like, Rister Teeth, a chief and hunter and all that stuff. What is that?

How does that develop? And it's just like he lived with you and that's, I mean Gavin is wildly successful and it's like what a completely different friendship from the other two. I think, I mean, I think it boils down to the fact that, because it does seem weird, right? We met a British kid online.

You gotta be less ridiculous. Who was 14 and we called him to wish him happy birthday on his 15th birthday. It's only sounding worse as you can explain And then on the summers, we'd convince his parents to fly into America to spend 90 days with a stranger in his house. You've got it. I know.

It sounds so fucking weird. That's insane. Other than Gavin didn't come visit us till he was 19. I think. And at that point, he was like a part of the company. Right. I don't know how to describe it other than just like, if you've met Gavin, you understand.

Oh, yeah. He is his grandfather, who I love dearly, told me one time, we, you might hear his jug about this from time to time, he told me that Gavin is the boy with the golden hands. The boy with the golden hands. He's got the golden hands. Everything he touches, it's gold. It's a pure heart.

He touches hard, it's gold. That's talented., it's gold, it's a pure heart, he touches hard, it's gold, it's that's talented. And it's true. Like you spend a day with Gavin and then you get that Gavin is a special person. Yeah, just a rare, unique, one of the kind human beings that most people won't be lucky enough to meet. Someone like that in their life.

He's a one and a million. And he has that kind of natural charisma where you just want to be around him all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Really creatively driven too. Oh my god. I think of everyone that I've ever, probably ever worked with. He's the guy who, he's down for whatever, but if he's not getting creative fulfillment out of it,

it's definitely just like, what are we doing? And I really like that. I appreciate that, dude. I really like that. There's so many people that'll just start to like, yeah, come in and like check the box, whatever. But he feels like, we fucking did, I could tell you now, we have the Tuxedo from the Tuxedo.

We got it. I have it at the office. And I told him yesterday just before the podcast, and it was like his face like lit out. He was excited, and then it just, it really is that kind of thing where he sees the fun and stuff. Yeah.

And as long as he has that, and there's something creative, there's something fun, he's getting something out of it, he's all in. And he makes everything he touches better. Oh, 100%. And not a little better.

No. Markedly better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he is like, Carnation Nondairy Creamer. He makes everything a little sweeter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. And that's like, I think it's so interesting when you look at

where you're at like in the company starting the company and everything. And then the people that you consider your three best friends are so those are like so wildly different. Yeah. Like people. But that's so cool that you get as much as little as you get to. You don't work with your best friends. Well, I think the'm, I think I'm, I was gonna make a really, I was gonna make a really grandizing joke about how, about how, well, luckily I am a complicated and complex enough person that I can manage three disparate friendships. You know, it says a lot about me and the kind of person I am.

But, I'm just, I'm just very lucky. Yeah. To have met such wonder to have got my hooks into some really beautiful people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's exciting. It's fun. I've you know, I've only been here for like a couple of years, but like working with all those people individually is always really fun too. It is. It's just a good time. It's I don't hate any of them. So that's where. Well, they're all talented in their own way. This is probably the most, the thing that's the best about the positions that I've been in or the thing that I've been able to do is like, is getting the mo, trying to figure out ways to get the most out of people, right? And this is gonna sound rude,

but I don't mean it to be managing egos. And I don't know, I don't think people are gonna take that negatively. I don't think it's a negative thing. It I don't think people are gonna take that negatively. I don't think it's a negative thing. It's not at all. Totally understand what you mean. It's not at all. It's all about figuring out how to deal with the insecurities

and the strengths and the weaknesses and the proclivities of all of these talented people and then trying to find the connective tissue and draw the lines between these people and to discover kind of like in Ratatouille when Remy gets struck by lightning at the beginning and then he tastes the Cook Cheese and it's like this is totally different.

I have these two ingredients and now this has made something totally new. That's kind of what I viewed Rucherti the way how I've always viewed Rupert Heath is, you combine these different parts and you get this totally different meal that you've never, that's fresh and different and so much more than the sum of its parts, obviously.

Yeah. And has its own flavor. And like getting to be like, getting to be, that was the best part about Achievement Hunter for the 12, 11, however long, many years I ran it, 10 years I ran it, was just getting to mix those things up and figure out how to get the most out of people.

Yeah, and I think it's fun when new ingredients are coming in like, man, I can't say and enough good stuff about like Kai and BK and Joe, like, man, so cool to watch them like come in and like develop and, oh God, it's so fun. It's so funny too because there's so much, and this is not a slight, and people are gonna, people are gonna disagree with me.

All I can offer you is my firsthand experience as the person who made all this happen. Oh, is that a hit? Yeah. All I can offer you is my perspective as the person who ultimately engineered all of it. Very, with much intention. Is that Joe, BK and Kai came into Rooster Teeth

and came into Achievement Hunter further along as performers, more confident and better than Gavin, Ray, Mike, any of those other guys. 100% agree with you. There's so much, like from day one, and I think the difference there is, you know, I was thinking about this a little bit today too. I don't wanna go off in a whole achievement

on a rant, because that's not really what this podcast is. But Rich Dith has the, it's fucking awesome, that we have 19 and a half years of a back catalog. We have generations, you could slice Rich Dith up into like about four different generations of iterations of content, and that's cool. So much baggage, right? Oh, all it is is baggage.

People want to compare the new cast to the old cast and the old cast they compared to the older cast, you know? The reason that it's kind of unfair is that like the gavans and the rays and the Michaels and the jacks and the chefs and those people of the world, there was nothing to compare us to. Yeah. We were making it up, we were inventing it as we went

and so you couldn't look at it and go, yeah, but that's different than the way it used to be. Or that's different than these other guys because we also were doing it almost in a vacuum where we were at it, we were so far ahead of the game on making gameplay content on YouTube that we had almost no competition. We were almost, we were, but we were almost the only game in town.

So not only could you not compare us against ourselves, you couldn't compare us against anybody else in the market because we were really the only game in town. And so it's like, I don't know, just, I think it just creates unrealistic comparisons and expectations. It does, but you get that, like, you can't, I think this is really hard when you're younger and you don't quite understand that, is that no matter what, you're going to have comparisons as it progresses,

the same way that you have, well, as LeBron James, the greatest player of all time, what about Kobe? What about Michael Jordan? It greatest player of all time, what about Kobe? What about Michael Jordan? It's like, what about Wilk Chamber? You go back and back and back and back and back. And everybody knows the answer is Bill Russell. He's like, see, 11 championships.

There's all this baggage that has, with all this comparison and everything. The thing I think that this is what I try to keep in mind, is that I try not to take that stuff to heart. I try not to get upset about the speculative comments or comparative nature of fans for researches or whatever I'm doing, because I'm a fan of pro wrestling and that's all we fucking do all day long

is just compare this guy to that guy and this thing to that thing and remember the 90s and remember that, this was better and that's not as good and this is everything that's happening now is not as good as it was five years ago and then five years on, you're like, God, they were so good in 2022. Like it's collectively that's how it goes.

So you can't let it eat you alive, but man, you just wanna go, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut the volume up. I will say, and that has been my, that was certainly early on that was my take on it. It has a chilling effect over time. Oh yeah. It just like it chips away at you.

Oh it does definitely. Especially going on 20 years, you know. But it's also the thing that frustrates me about that. It's like you have the benefit when you're comparing the past to the present of cherry picking past you compare to. People live in highlight Reels and they go it was like this all the time. Yeah, and it's like you're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, that was one out of like every

They'll bring up your favorite videos and you're like yeah, that was one out of like 80 videos. You don't remember it happens All the time with mega 64 where people are like oh this this podcast set and I like when they did it like this and remember that and then like They'll show clips and I'm, I remember those because I was there. Do you remember the hours and hours of all the other stuff that didn't make the highlight real? Like that's what guys, like, but again, you can't, you at least have to keep in mind. It can chip away at you and it can really eat you up,

but you have to keep in mind that that's just what people do. I know. All the time. It's how people communicate. It is. It definitely time. It's how it's how people communicate. It is. It definitely is. And it's all and I also know that, you know, it's also not often nearly as negative as it comes across.

No, it's not. People aren't aware of how they speak. Right. And certainly on the line. Yeah, definitely. Like when Dremont Green said that the the Golden State Warriors could be any 90's bull team, he would mop the floor with any 90s bulls team. Are you, Dremont, Green, are you out of your fucking mind?

Dennis Rodman. I'd listen. I, everybody hates Dremont. Dremont's one of those guys where you hate him. Yeah. Like 29, 29 fandoms hate him in the NBA and one loves him. Oh yeah. And that changes no matter what he's talking about.

Whatever team he's talking about, if he was a Salt Lake, I'd love him tomorrow. 100%. Dennis Rodman would tie him up the NBA and loves him. And that changes no matter what he's doing. Whatever team he's in, if he was a shelter, I'd love him tomorrow. 100% Dennis Rodman would tie him up and up fucking knocks. Which he and Blake, I mean, like, Dremel is a physical guy now. Dude, that, the NBA was a different place. And then, well, it was a different place

than the 70s, than the 80s, and the 90s. But even then, like, dude, I was watching fucking, I was watching these videos of Dennis Robbins and Shaq going at it the other night. And Dennis Robin and Kurt Rambs going at it. And it's like, dude, so physical. It's like how are, like how are people not in jail? For some of the shit they were in.

Just the nastiest, just knuckles and slams. Guys beat each other. I watched the highlight the other day of Shaq and Dwight Howard squaring up at like the three point line. And Dwight Howard's like the all-star game and Dwight Howard's like yeah all right let's do this and he's like ready to guard shack and shack just nutmegs him like just passes the ball between his legs and Dwight Howard goes what it is. Each shack runs down and gets passed back to him and he dunks and just runs off and I just went this is the best. That's the best. But that's but that's again

what we're doing is just what everyone online is doing all the time with this stuff that we do and it's like, you just can't let it eat you up. It's the hypocrisy, I know. It's 100%. And the, also the other thing is, and this is just gonna be, if you haven't figured this out yet, you will, I think,

I think this, I would say this is universal truth. Feel free to disagree with me, but I think you'd be wrong. Speaking of the audience are not you. The Golden Era, the Golden Age of Any Production, comic book, movie, book series, online production company, whatever it is, the Golden Era of Anything is the day you found it. Oh yeah.

That day you discover something you love, if you discover the Simpsons in season four, it's the golden age. If you discover the Simpsons in season 14, that's the golden age. If you discover it in season 22, that's the golden age for you. I think that, and your golden age is different

that everybody else is golden age. I think it's definitely a rose color glasses thing because you're looking at the time in your life also or you're like, yeah, I love getting home from school and watching. Yeah. Ray do this achievement hunter stuff. And now I don't like it as much because when I get home from work, all right, let's stop right there. Stop right there. You're like, you're you're you're you're you're you just described how you've spent the last 12 years becoming a completely different person. Yeah. But you want the person that you watched on YouTube

to say identical. And again, I don't respect that opinion, but I also like, I'm not gonna eat you alive for it. Sure. Just because I don't think you know what you're saying. Yeah. But you say that. And that's fine.

That's okay. I loved all, like pro wrestling at 13 is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my entire life where Stone Cold Steve Austin would drink beer and then like beat everyone up and I'd be like, this is, I'm in heaven. This is awesome. And then since then, it's been dissecting and going like, this guy does this arm ringer this way and watch the way he steps forward to this left foot.

And now it's like, it's too, you know, you get too ingrained and you don't enjoy it the same way. But I think you can still enjoy it. You just have to take that step back and be like, what was it that I liked? Oh, got it. Okay. Yeah.

You don't have to dive deep so far into it. And it can be frustrating as a content creator. Yeah. Maybe a contract creator, I don't know what that is. I guess a lawyer. It can be funny. It can be frustrating as a content creator. But it's, you know, and this is something I tried,

I think you're being very cognizant of this, and it's something that I try to be aware of too. It's like, but we all, it is, I still, I do it too. I do it constantly. Oh, 100%. Yeah, I do it. I don't do it. I don't do it publicly.

I'm doing it for sure. Right, right, right. Although I guess I probably do it on Mike and they'll realize it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I made a tweet last night about, I think I'm gonna be a big NBA guy this year because Dremel and Green's always saying loopy shit, Pat Beves like the ultimate hater and watching Yeah, exactly. I mean, I made a tweet last night about I think I'm going to be a big NBA guy this year because

Dremel and Green's always saying loopy shit pat beves like the ultimate hater and watching like Katie try to figure out tiktok is been the best like There's something about the NBA this year where I'm like I'm all like I'm ready to go all in but I'm making a decision yeah to do that and to like step away from other things to go higher, like to go more into like the NBA. And I'm not letting it eat me alive. And like me, I'm consuming it. It's not consuming me. I think that's the important thing.

That's very wise. Yeah. And I also, I'd rather be doing this job than working at a electric, like an electrician like I used to or an IT company like I used to or a zoo like I used to or Pierrot and imports like I use like I'd rather be doing this than anything else. So like ultimately you just kind of like you watch the comments and you go, it's alright, whatever. Also just make good stuff and I think that's what we've been doing with the spot gas so. Thanks man. I guess so too. No, it's a good one too. So we can't really guess the name for the show.

Oh yeah. It's Gus Wal-Bill. Yeah, Gus Yeah, yeah, Gus isn't here, but also I just, I got, I got nothing in terms of guesses. I came up with a bunch last night. Oh yeah? I don't remember what they are up to right now. Oh cool. I could get back to them, but I will say, my girlfriend was asking me over the weekend.

She was like, what do you, do you have any idea what the name is? And I was like, not only do I not know what the name is, I really don't give a shit. Oh, no, it doesn't it doesn't matter when When it's revealed it's gonna be so a development fireworks are not going off We're not getting party poppers in a cake got to know it is not going to dilute no, we're just gonna go What what and he's gonna go. Yeah, dream logic. So Here's what I'll say about that. And we'll continue to try to guess it. Some day maybe it'll happen. When David Lynch created Twin Peaks for ABC, the intention was never to solve the murder

of Laura Palmer. It was meant to be this, I don't know, this fulcrum in the background that all things kind of gravitated around, but that was an unsolvable mystery that would just spin off these different stories and worlds. And there would never be a resolution there, which I thought was a brilliant idea.

ABC disagreed. Yeah, no kidding. And they forced David Lynch to solve the murder ABC disagreed. Yeah, no, no. And they forced David Lynch to solve the murder of Laura Palmer. Yeah. And so he did. And then it was even cut into a two-hour movie in Germany. And that was really weird, with like, slightly different scenes. But season two of Twin Peaks is, even though Twin Peaks is, you know, my favorite show of

all time and I'd worship the ground David Lynch walks on, I would say like 80% of season two of Twin Peaks is unwatchable. Un Lynch walks on. I would say like 80% of season two of Twin Pieces unwatchable. Unwatchable, I would say unwatchable. At this point, and just useless. Yeah, I would say it's some inland empire level in insanity where I'm just like, I'm not on board for this.

There's like elements of episodes that are phenomenal, and there's probably four episodes in there that are maybe the four best as they wrap stuff up. Are they the ones that he directed and not somebody else? Those are the four that he directed. Yeah. Or I think he may have only directed two of those four, but anyway, they're like, it's like,

it's the thing that you used to piss me off about the X-Files, is you really wanted to know what was going on in the X-Files, and then you would get like 10 stories that had nothing to do. I think you get one story about plot, and then five more stories, and then they would tease something with the cigarette smoking man for 30 seconds, and then they wouldn't address it again till the season finale. And you're like, I'm watching 22 episodes to get two episodes worth of content over here.

So I don't know, with that said, I kind of hope we never solve the mystery of who killed Annem. Yeah. I'm a big fan. I love it. And if you love it, please let your friends know that this is a podcast because we probably don't do that enough. Tell people, yeah, Rishdie is good at a lot of shit. We're not good at getting you a stranger to watch our stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I will say that's on us.

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