ANMA - Put the Bug Back in, Bungie

Episode Date: January 16, 2023

Good morning, Gus! From Littlefields on Winsted, it's a real flashback episode of ANMA. Join Gus and Geoff as they talk about Not visiting Puerto Rico Gus, Gift wrapped DVDs at the fulfillment house, How many DVDs we sold, Going to Seattle to meet Bungie, Storm of the Century, Important cities for a while, A Tucker line not by Tucker, Peeing off a roof, and Veracruz tacos. Check out the ANMA shirts at store.roosterteeth.com because we keep wearing them and they're nice. This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh http://hellofresh.com/anma22 and use code anma22 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You ever see that movie with Johnny Depp where he's like in the computer? Is that Johnny Depp? I mean, I haven't seen it, but I do know what you're talking about. Yeah, like that. I was in the computer. Good morning, Gus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good to see you. So what was the understanding that like you just didn't, like no one was going to port Rico and Gus. It's like we're not gonna, but no, everybody visited Gus with me. No, no, only a couple of people. Are you serious? Well, that was everybody. It was two people.

It was two people. We didn't have many friends. We were a four person group and two of them went to the list. You didn't go, everyone else went, you didn't go. Are you serious? I didn't know about this. The other one at once, it's fine. It's beautiful.

Have you ever been before or after? No, I know. But if I go, it's either with the bus. before after I know I know I go I'm with you are blessed Well, I don't know there's not much I didn't tell I go but I wanted to it just never worked out. Yeah. Do you regret it? Not going? Yeah No

He came back. He cheered you up for an opportunity to be like, you know what? It would have been great to spend time with my friend there while he moved away. You just went, that fuck that. What? Gus and I learned during his sojourn to Puerto Rico that our friendship exists just fine online and via text and video games. Text which really actually wasn't a thing, it was AOL, it's their message throughout the time.

AOL, yeah, yeah, different time. There was also year one of Rooster T, so you were working at the call center and also doing RVB stuff, so it's not like you had a bunch of free time. It was the way it worked at the way that arrow worked. I'll tell it briefly because I'm sure we've said it a million times, but I had to be at TNI at 7 a.m.

I worked from 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. I got off at four, I went home. I packaged DVDs until about 6.30, and then I went to Bernie's house. And then we made Red versus Blue until two in the morning, and then I drove the hour and a half home from Buda, or the 45 minutes home from Buda, to get the bed, to go to sleep, to get three hours of sleep, to get up, to be at work at 7 a.m.

You make it sound way worse because you work packaging DVDs the first nine months. No, they didn't do shirts. They didn't do the packaging. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't DVDs, it was shirts. Remember, your bedroom was just a shelves full of shirts. I'm trying to be contrary. I'm trying to be contrary. I'm trying to be an asshole. We can be a Scotch right as you are, but we both remember.

Man, I don't know if you remember this. We got kind of in trouble once. We, I think, I forget what it was. I forget if it was the season one or season two DVDs. Who do we get in trouble with? Bernie and our fulfillment house. Oh, okay. Do you remember this? No. or season two DVDs. Who do we get in trouble with? Bernie and our fulfillment house? Oh, okay. Do you remember this? No. I forget if it was season one or season two DVDs.

Did we say where we are, where it little feels? Did you say that? I don't remember. Okay. And this is my hangout spot. Me and all the little kids. In the name. They have a little bench up there

where you can sit and eat your tacos and work on your laptop. I felt like a creep. I walked in using my phone because I was trying to work on some scheduling stuff. I looked around, I didn't see Eric at first and work on your laptop. I felt like a creep. I walked in using my phone, like, because I was trying to work on some scheduling stuff. I looked around, I didn't see Eric at first glance. I was like, I look like a fucking creep and I walked out left.

Listen, I've never been here at 10 in the morning before. I usually get, like, I usually roll it around 2PM. That's a different scene. Our tacos are ready. You keep going. I'm gonna get tacos. You must have been the season two DVD, thinking about the time frame,

because we had a fulfillment house. What it had to have been season two. Yeah, thinking about the time frame, because we had a fulfillment house. What it had to have been season two. Yeah, and we were going to do a thing where we were going to autograph all of the first, I don't know, 2000 or 3000 DVDs, whatever it was, and then shipped them out. So instead of paying the fulfillment house for that, we decided just to ship those DVDs straight to your house

and we were gonna sign them. And then if either you or I let it slip to the fulfillment house that we were doing that, and they were annoyed because then that's money they're not getting. We're like kind of cutting them out and dealing this directly. And then so Bernie had to smooth things over with them. And then he was mad at us because we created this like weird awkward situation for him, where we put him in the middle between us and the fulfillment house. situation for him where we put him in the middle between us and the fulfillment house. I do not remember that. But he was very annoyed with us.

I do not remember that. Did we sign the DVDs? Yeah. I don't remember that process at all. But here's what I'll say. Don't care. Because they were making so many dumb mistakes at the same time. Like, you want to have a funny story?

Yes. Eric of our first Christmas with the fulfillment house? No, our second Christmas with the fulfillment house. So it might have been season three of RVB. They said, hey, we can offer gift wrapping if you guys want gift wrapping. Oh God, I forgot about this. And I, we said, yeah, that sounds like a great feature

because people are ordering stuff for Christmas, especially if the order late, if it already comes wrap, then it's just ready to throw into the trip. So we're like, yeah, please. So we offer that, they turn that on in the software, they offer that as an option. And then as we get closer to Christmas, we start getting complaints about package is not arriving, package is not arriving, package is not arriving. Eventually, I go down to the fulfillment house to meet with the guys to figure out what's going on And I walk in and I see a pile of Christmas presents

Rapped just in the corner like hundreds of RVB DVDs and t-shirts and stuff and I go oh There's our fucking that's people are looking for that. Why why haven't we shipped it yet? They go yeah, we've been meaning to we just we ran out of ribbon and I was like how long have you been out of ribbon? They're like it's been taken it's like it got delayed It's been out of ribbon? They're like, it's been taken, it's like, it got delayed, it's been like a week. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna Walmart and buy you ribbon. That's not an excuse. What the fuck?

And I had to apologize to all the customers. And because they just, they sat there for like two weeks because they were just waiting on ribbon. You either go to the store and buy ribbon or ship it without the fucking ribbon. Ship it without the ribbon. Yeah, how about that? Ship it without the ribbon.

I mean, it's not gift wrapped, if it's not ribboned. I'm on. And I just remember thinking, like, how do grown? How about that other ribbon? I mean, it's not gift wrapped if it's not ribboned. I'm on. And I just remember thinking, like, how do grownups make these decisions? I don't know if you remember one time. It's more important that it has the ribbon that it arrives in poor for Christmas. We, one time, we all had to go up there.

I think they wanted us to go up there. They were going to show us something. Like some new thing, some new service they wanted to offer us. We went up there and they had like, we walked in and they had this big presentation ready for us. They had like these computers on a table. I hated this day so badly. They looked up to monitors and they're like,

look, we can offer gaming computers that you can sell on your online store. And we're like, well, one, we don't do that. Two, these look like shit. Oh, no. They had, no, and he was the design. They had one behind a piece of red fabric and one behind a piece of blue fabric.

And they were like, we're shh, and they're like, but we'll make the computer blue and this one will be red because it'll be like red versus blue and you can pick which one you want. No, no, no. And they looked, it looked like texture, some real auto texture going on. I'll pause for a second here. Oh my God.

That's maybe the most auto texture we've ever had. It looked like if you're 12 year old cousin built a computer for you, it just wasn't done well. And there was another time where it was like, oh, we can't, we can't. I mean, even if they looked amazing, it's like this doesn't, this isn't what we do. Well, we're not gonna get into selling computers online. And it's like, who's gonna support this when stuff breaks?

They're like, how will figure that out later? Don't worry about that. And people who couldn't find the ribbon. And listen, it sounds like we're beating up on these guys. And I don't want to because they were wonderful. They were really sweet. They helped us out in a very precarious time in our growth. We eventually had to move away to a larger fulfillment house

and then we eventually had to move away to a larger fulfillment house like we've keep growth as it goes with growth. But for those first three years, they were integral and they were really sweet people. And I haven't seen any of them in years, but I remember them fondly and I love them. But God damn, did it begin the process

of the audience thinking we fucked up and us having to take the blame for other people's fault problems and having to take it on the chin? And man, if that doesn't persist to this day, just because we complain about something or somebody doesn't mean that we hate them. We complain, we had a whole episode complaining about Frank. It was one of our dearest friends. That was Frank.

I mean, that's just, like, these are just the stories. These are just stories taken over years of, what's going on. Everything went fine. Story is not very interesting or compelling. Yeah, it's like, remember that March, then that next March when nothing bad happened? What's going on? The, everything went fine. Story is not very interesting or compelling. Yeah, it's like, remember that March, then that next March when nothing bad happened? Yeah.

I assume, I don't know. Yeah, there's no story there. There's nothing going on. How long were you guys with that fulfillment center? About three years. Yeah, they were at that first location, then they moved, and we moved with them over there. They rebranded, they had a different name.

Might have been longer than three years. We stayed with them about a year longer than we wanted to because we were scared they would go out of business if we left. And so it was one of those things where like it shouldn't have been our concern. They were a fulfillment house before us and I assumed they're a fulfillment house after us.

But it was one of those things where we really liked them and so we hung around a little longer than we should have. And then when we finally did leave, they had picked up some other contracts and we didn't feel like it was one of those things where we really liked them and so we hung around a little longer than we should have. And then when we finally did leave, they had picked up some other contracts and we didn't feel like it was gonna tank them. But yeah, still, it sucks to pull your business away. Especially when it's an appreciable part of somebody's bottom line. I mean, you had to though, right?

Like that was just a trajectory you were on as a business. And the fulfillment house we went to is when we talked about before, the people who fulfilled the Lance Armstrong wristband. So it's like we really had to step scale up. And in a big way, and they did, and they helped us get a couple of rungs up the ladder. And then eventually we had to move away

to another fulfillment house. Like Gus says, this business, growth in business, but nothing but farm memories of all those vendors that we worked with. Then, I mean, if you say vendor sounds even like too dispassionate, they're, these are like friendly friends,

you know, essentially. Yeah, it's like all the behind the curtain stuff, I think people don't see it, people don't think about, really, it's like you order something online, you know, nowadays you order something or like Amazon, you don't really think about how does it actually get to you something online. Nowadays, you order something like Amazon, you don't really think about how does it actually get to you.

Where was it? Who put it in the box, who printed the label? I'm sure a lot of that stuff's automated nowadays, but it's like very tedious things that need to get done and need to get done correctly with ribbon. I mean, it's a big part of, not just your business, but I would think like a lot of online businesses and what you guys sort of blaze the trail for, right?

Like becoming, you know, hey, we're this entertainment thing. And also, we sell merch and merch is a big part of what you do. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think even if you think about like musicians and tours, right, it's like the reason you're tours to sell merch. I mean, I thought that was strange.

I felt like it was the first hurdle we would run into. Anytime we met peers, like in the industry in those early days, was trying to explain to them how like they thought we were crazy for selling t-shirts and stuff, and trying to explain why it was such an important part of what we were doing. The internet definitely caught up,

and then blew past us, but there was a long time when I felt like we were the only people that were really us and maybe Penny arcade. Yeah, Home Star. Home Star, well, I modeled a lot of our stuff after Home Star. I think we, we told those stories. They used to have a store that would,

it would show the inventory. Like there are 335 strong bed t-shirts in stock. And so I would in the early days of, our review, when we were figuring this stuff out, I would go, as one of us all had a day job, I would go at work in the morning and I would print every morning the entirety of their store. And then I would go home at night after work

and I would decrement how many items they'd sold. So I could reverse engineer how much money they were making off merch a day. Oh my God! So then, and also to see what soul. To be like, okay, this kind of stuff sells, this kind of stuff sells doesn't sell. And I did that for a year, six months to a year. And then I would base our sales and stuff, like orders and stuff based purely off home start. Have you talked about

that before? Probably. That's maybe. I've never heard that. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, I would go in. It was like, it was antiquated, it was dumb, and it would be like 35 pages. I would just go page my page and print every page from the store, and then I'd go home, and I'd write the numbers down, and then I'd be like, oh shit, they sold nine of this action figure today.

That's good to know, good to know. They're like, they sold 70 shirts. All right, we need to make more shirts, yeah. It was, well there was no other way to get data. Other than that, it would be guessing, like the first run of DVDs that were printed, we didn't know how many to print. I mean, that was a long discussion,

because there was money coming out of pockets, like you had to pay for it upfront. You can't be like, we'll pay you once we sell them. That's why we do super sponsors, right? Right. And then we made 10,000 Blizzard initial run. I wouldn't have never talked about how many DVDs we've sold. Do you know, I have no idea.

No. I know that I have, here's a way to, this is the best way I can put it in perspective. I have no idea on the hard data, but I know that that company, that we, the company that didn't have ribbon, and that tried to get us to sell computers and fucking high speed gaming mice, which we did self or high-speed gaming mouse pads

we did sell. Yeah, I didn't talk about that we should talk about that. That's fucking good. That initial company about this is unfortunate timing. About a month before we let them go or we switched vendors they gave us a framed plaque, they framed our hundred thousand order. And we still have that. You might see it around the office. You probably walk by it and don't pay attention to it. It's just like a red background or like a red matting with a blue framing around it. But somewhere, I don't know how much we've sold throughout the course of the history of the company, but I know that we had at least

a hundred thousand orders in the first four years, three years, something like that. Yeah. Wow. That was way too much for us to package. Yeah. The best was, I remember this a couple of times, like before we had the full-time lunch house,

when I was still living with Jeff, we'd get woken up early on the weekend. There'd be someone knocking on the door, ring the doorbell, persistently going away. Then we'd go out there and open it, and it'd be like a dude with a semi. And he'd be like, where do you want the DVDs? And he'd be like, what? He's like, I've got a couple pallets of DVDs here.

Where do you want them? Where's the doc? He's like, this is a house, dude. It's Jeff's house. I don't know. Drop them in the driveway, I guess. So he would just get his pallet jack and drop pallets of DVDs and Jeff's pallets of DVDs.

And we'd have to break the pallets down and carry all the DVDs into his garage, because that's where we were was staging to then package everything and ship it out. But yeah, these poor guys, driving a semi, a crowded residential street, and then expecting to find a loading dock somewhere And then just having to like drop all that shit off in just driveway.

I'm a shitty little driver. Those stories to think back on them now, it almost feels like it was different people. It was so long ago. It was like three lifetimes ago, it feels like, you know? It's hard to even, like I remember them as stories as if I watched it on TV. It's hard to connect with it, you know, and like feel like it was at us. That was you.

That was also that one time, and another time that 18-wheeler showed up at Jess House, where like he just unannounced some dude shows up and he's like, yeah, I've got like this giant box. I forgot who's addressed. It might have been addressed to you, Jeff. To address to Jeff Ramsey, he's like, okay, and he needs to do it.

It's not a palette, it's just like a big box. He just pulls it out from the semi, and it drops it on Jeff's driveway. I remember Jeff and I were standing out there, like we're not expecting any order, we didn't order anything, we're not expecting any merch. What the hell is it? We were both a little scared,

because we couldn't figure out who was from, based on the return address. So we gingerly opened it very carefully. And it was a giant Halo 2 master chief statue. Like, how tall was it? Like five feet tall or something? Five feet tall, yeah. Like a promotional thing that I guess,

bungee or Microsoft had sent us. And it was like, I mean, it's cool, but what do we do? It's another thing, you might see it around the office every now and then. We still have it somewhere. We're always around somewhere, yeah. But it was wild back then because I felt like

when Bungie was first acquired by Microsoft, you know, the Halo came out for the original Xbox and we really, you know, we weren't making Red versus Blue obviously before Halo came out, but after Halo came out before Halo 2 came out, it's when we started making Red vs Blue. And we got to know the people that bungee very well at that time. And we would go up there very frequently.

Wonderful people. Yeah, I remember specifically one time before Halo 2 would come out. Like I think they'd only shown the E3 teaser and like nobody had seen anything about the game and they invited us up to play it. And so yeah, we flew up to... We flew up to Seattle.

It was actually in Redmond. It was their first office. Like they had this really shitty office in Millennium Park when they were first acquired by Microsoft. Off of terrible. You'll see it in like, I think there's like making of Halo 2, Docs, where you see it all over the place in that.

Yeah, they moved out, after Halo 2 was shipped, they moved out to their other bigger office. Halo 2 was made in a very impressive office. Yeah, in Kirkland. I think more people are familiar with the Kirkland office. But anyway, we went up to the office in Redmond at Millennium Park and it was like, they set up a couple of TVs

in like a spare conference room and it was, I wanna say it was Jeff, Bernie, me, and maybe Jason? Yeah, maybe Jason. Yeah. I don't think it was Matt. I don't think it was Matt. I think it was like the four of us

and then like these two dudes from Norway, uh-huh, and it was just like, yeah, I don't know, I do not know who those dudes were. And it was just like, yeah, I don't know. I do the same. I don't know who those dudes were. And it was like, they locked the six of us in a room and then just watched us play Halo. They were like wanting us to play it. You want to feed back?

You want to feed back? You want to see what was. And then the four of us immediately stopped playing the game. We're just like trying to see if we can make a corner. Oh, yeah. Like sequestered ourselves. I started trying to see like if we we make order like sequestered ourselves and started trying to see like can we still make red versus blue in this and they're like what the hell are you guys doing?

It's like oh we're uh what you know we're just trying to see we still play and then he's like directing the scenes like all right you come in turn turn that 90 degrees okay hit this mark okay now can you lower the gun how do we lower you know yeah and there was uh there was uh and we're doing this and then like this one dude who walks in is like oh we fix that bug by the way. Also, by the way, every once in a while, Norway do, we're like, you stop, come here, try this over here.

Now get off. And these guys are like, whoa, we're trying to play Halo. We came across the fucking ocean to play. We were flooring the North Pole. I remember they said they flew over the North Pole to get there. You were like, well, do you play over there? You guys play, you shoot each other. And one of the dudes that bunchy walked is like, oh, that bug by the way like what are you talking about like you know

Who you look or you point your gun at your feet and your character looks back up at the last second? All right, we fix that you're like Can you put that back in? Well, they were like so if you can just give us a list of like things that you wouldn't mind seeing in the game They can make your job easier. We're like the list is just put that bug back in just put that back in They're like oh man, but they did How was Halo 2 not as good as For filming for filming filming. It was a great game

It was but I felt like that was the first time Where I was like holy shit like this is really big, despite all, you know, the screenings and sales and everything, I've always been like a big video game person. Like to finally get invited up, like this is the game everyone's waiting for, and like we got invited up to play it, like it was a really big fucking deal for me.

It was one of those things where like, we blew, like our personal bucket lists were so small. And we just blew through them every month with new opportunity. Is it same? Like it all started because we loved video games. Yeah. But suddenly we loved Halo. I mean, we were the people that were bringing our TVs and our Xbox is the Bernie's house for an entire weekend and setting up with Xbox connect and

going through all the rig and parole. And we were playing, uh, we were playing two hour long games, a CTF on Sidewinder down, and it all came from that. I mean, we were huge fans. So it was every opportunity we had, it was just like, we were gushing, you know? The idea that we would even meet the developers

while we were alone get to have conversations with them. And I'd always been, I think I told us in a previous ad map, so I'd always been a huge fan of Bungie's earlier games. I mentioned, you're like, emailing them when I was at high school and meeting the dude here in Austin who replied to my email.

But that trip, when we played Halo 2, that was my first time ever going to Seattle. I don't know if you'd been up there before. And I remember we landed at night at C-Tack. And if you've ever been a Seattle, like C-Tack is South of Seattle, right? And I remember we landed at the airport, there was a car that picked us up.

And it was like this weirdo eccentric driver, it was like a town car service or whatever. I remember getting in the back. And you know, when you'd leave C-Tack to go to Seattle, especially at night, you kind of drive through the middle of nowhere. There's like nothing for a while, especially back then, there's sort of been O4.

It's very dark, and I remember being in the back seat, and the driver just kept talking and talking. He kept talking about how he had Britney Spears in his car the week before us, and then like partway through the trip, he's like, oh, I'm almost out of gas. I need to stop and get gas. And then he like pulls off the highway,

and I'm like, this guy's gonna kill us. Like I was really worried that this guy was about to murder me. Like, we pulled up to some shell station off of the highway, he's putting gas in. Eventually, we drive up and then you don't even, since we're going to Redmond, you don't really even go into Seattle. Like, we stayed east,

we kind of passed through Bellevue and Bellevue was fucking tiny. Yeah, that was back then, yeah. And then go out to Redmond and I was like, I'm not a tiny, you can build it. Nothing back then. Yeah. And then go out to Redmond. And that was like, I'm not a praying man. But I was definitely praying in that back seat. Like, oh, please do not let this guy murder me. I think people are probably listening to this going, like, guess that's crazy. I don't think people understand the expansion

that Seattle's gone through in like the last 20 years. What it was 20 years ago now versus like what it is today is, I mean, it's boomed like crazy. You used to get into that air, you would, you would start driving into see, I don't even be like, a lot of trees. Yeah, there's nothing here. Nothing. Especially at night. That's dark. And there was no lights just trees. Yeah. Oh, it was a, I remember that guy to this day. And I fucking, my first experience a I remember that guy to this day and my fucking my first experience I remember you have that that's funny. That's one of the things I like about this podcast is between the two of us We have almost a memory

There's another time we were out there This would have been much later we were because this probably in the Halo 3 Eric We were staying in Kirkland just when Bunchy was in that Kirkland office. We were staying at a hotel there in Kirkland by the Burger Master. I want to say it was a Lakinta. Ah, the Burger Master. And, I don't know if you were on the trip or you remember this, but there was like, they called it like a once-in-a-century storm

blew through. Yeah. And it was like so windy and so stormy that all the power for the entire city got knocked out Oh my god, and like the hotel we were staying at since like you know use those electronic card readers. They didn't work anymore They gave us glow sticks to our hotel There's glow sticks and they put glow sticks down the hallway to illuminate the hallway because even the emergency lights weren't working because the power was off for so long I I presumed the the key locks on the door must have a battery in them as well

But it was like it was the power was off for so long nothing was working in that hotel I have two memories from that trip from that time One was we were eating lunch at a restaurant and a tree fell down and crushed ten cars It was a keg yeah the keg like a giant tree like if it hit the building We were like well, we would just died. We would have been dead. We would have just died And instead it destroyed like a row of cars in the parking lot like a big-ass tree and then later that night We were walking around Seattle Dicking around joking around about zombies for some reason

and I remember Matt kept leaning into the wind and it would like support him It was so windy. he could like lean forward like Michael Jackson, you know? But without that little nails to put your feet in. And in the process of doing that, the wind took his glasses and they just went up into the air and they were gone.

We never saw them. Gone. They were just, they were, and they were in Portland in four minutes. And Matt had to call on and be like, can you buy me new glasses? Like, there were four of us there. We couldn't find them like they didn't hit the ground They went it was like a cartoon. They went straight up into the sky. It was I think I beamed up

Did he just say My glasses Something like that I forgot about the glasses for the rest of the trip The glasses for the rest of the trip. Description. He was blind. I mean, the only reason, then the next morning, the power was still out. The power was out at the airport. We lucked out because I think I had booked us a weird route.

I think we were flying, normally we flew up there on American Airlines. We were flying Alaska this one time. And our flight was out of like that satellite gate, like the end terminal or whatever. Whatever, that, we were terminally. And that was the only part of the airport with power. and our flight was out of like that satellite gate, like the end terminal or whatever, whatever that we're terminals, and that was the only part of the airport with power. So because we were flying Alaska instead of American, which we were normally dead at the time,

and because our flight was originally out of that area, that was the only part of the airport with power, we were able to leave. Like everyone else was, their flights were all canceled because there was no power at the airport. I was actually, I spent the weekend with a friend

of Ruchteeth alum, Kent Nichols, who was one of the two creative minds behind Ask An Ninja, who were huge, huge and early. Yeah, those guys were one of the first big deals, and we worked with them a lot. We actually had a pilot with them for a little while, that didn't go anywhere, but we were really good friends with Kent and Doug

and that crew. And so I was hanging out with Kent over the weekend and we were talking about how in this like 20 year career, the different phases where you're talking about going to Seattle a bunch. There was a period where we went to Seattle eight times a year, probably between Pax and Emerald City Comic Con and then Bungie and then other Microsoft shit.

We were there like six set, like we were going to, we were going to, we were going to Bungie five times a year probably, but we were going up to Seattle probably like every month, every other month. And there was a period when I felt like we were in New York every other week, so a while. And then there was a period when I was in San Francisco during the Chima Hunter stuff, probably like six times a year.

And then I hadn't been to any of those places in forever. I don't know why I would go back. I don't know any reason to. And it's weird how the cycle that worked takes you through where it's like, all right, now you're gonna, New York is very important to you guys for the next two years. And then you won't ever go there again.

And then San Francisco is gonna be a big deal. Then you won't go there. I don't know if you remember, we used to, back when we were doing a lot of commercial work and going up to Portland at Wine Kennedy. Like we were going up there so frequently. I was in talks with corporate condo people to get us a place in Portland, yeah.

Because we were there so much, it's like we're spending so much money. We may as well just have a condo right by the ad agency because we're always there. Yeah, it was such a cool building that ad agency. And then we got fired. And then we didn't worry about anymore. Yeah, that's true.

You didn't need the condo. No, then we didn't need that condo. Probably, guys. We didn't get that condo. Good then we didn't have to worry about anymore. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you didn't need the condo. No, we didn't need that condo. Probably got a solid. We didn't get that condo. Good thing we didn't sign that paper. But that was another period. Because when we would go up to there, we'd go up sometimes two, three weeks at a time.

Yeah, there was one time where we banged out, you and I banged out a couple, what was me and Jason, we banged out a commercial. It was you and I. It was you and I. It was a commercial. It was a commercial they didn't care about. It was for arena football. It was arena football. We landed in Portland in the morning, filmed the commercial. They were happy with it.

And then we'd like booked a flight that night to come back to Austin. We just had to tackle some dude over like on the sidelines in the game. I assume it's same in a arena football. There was just a wall. Yeah. And you could, you could like tackle people over the wall. And I remember we just tackled a dude over the wall all morning and then when I was at, that's all I needed. And we're like, done. See ya.

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We actually did many screenings at the Lincoln Center. The Lincoln Center. Like, we talked about one when we screened season, the premiere season, all the season one and the premiere season two, and we met Gavin. Yeah. But we, you know, we were good friends with the guy who was the director of the Lincoln Center. And he loved programming internet content. Huh.

And so we were up there quite a bit, you know, doing screenings and various, I mean, we would make videos for other screenings he would have. Like that incredible, edible internet video was like promoting that other screening of his He eventually moved on to San Francisco and we would do some screenings out there with San Francisco film festival and whatnot He died of cancer. Yeah, then he passed away some time ago. That was really really really sad He was such a he was such a wonderful guy Jason ended up moving to New York for a while and worked for him really yeah Jason Had lived in San Antonio in Austin his entire life and wanted to get away.

So I think it was about six months or a year there around season two or three where he moved to New York City and the Nick his brother moved up with him and then he worked for Graham doing some stuff for a while. I don't know if you remember this but there was a power outage in New York back in 03 or 4 something like that where all in New York City lost power. That's Jason was living there at the time. And we needed him to do a Tucker line, but he couldn't because there was no power. So there's one Tucker line in season one that's voiced by his brother.

Nick, and you'd never done. Yeah, they sound so much alike. Yeah, so Nick does one line as Tucker in season one because Jason couldn't do it because there was no power in New York. I think it's just like Tucker said what? Or something like that. There's a Tucker line not by Tucker in the show. Oh, yeah, that's so crazy.

Oh, that's wild. You said you were going to see Francisco a lot for A.H. Is that the same thing? Is that Graham and the stuff you can see from Cisco? Well, we did, we did spend some time going to visit Graham and Sam Cisco and doing stuff out there, but I was referring more to like a period like, it's maybe four years ago when I was working pretty closely

with kind of funny, we act in the less play family, and then we did that documentary about standup. And so I was up there like, I don't know what like six times in a quarter for that. Yeah, and I just remember thinking like, I should just went like six times in a quarter for that. Yeah, and I just remember thinking, I should just move here because I'm here all the time. Yeah, independent of that. I felt like we also did a lot of work with Ubisoft for quite a while there. Yeah, the model of the Ubisoft offices.

Um, also, they were, they were like smaller ad agencies. We would do stuff within the San Francisco Bay area as well. There's a lot of like unsexy trips that are very forgettable where you go up and you get there on a Wednesday, and then you have dinner with the ad agency or whatever team of RT that's there. And then you get up the next morning and then you go to Ubisoft

and you sit in a conference room for two hours and you pitch a thing and then you leave and go home. Like there's countless trips like that. And you know, nine times out of 10, nothing comes out of it but then that 10th time you end up with a gig. And then you, yeah, there's like so, so, so, so, so many forgettable trips to New York and San Francisco and LA where we did that stuff.

There's one trip I took to San Francisco by myself. It was to do some ad agency work. It wasn't even video game related. It was for candy. I remember that. It was a really weird thing. Yeah, you Swedish fish, right? Yeah, you Swedish fish. And there was like this really small ad agency and you know we're working on all

this creative stuff and like the way the office structure is like you walked in it was like one big room. It was like very open office concept and you know there was like a receptionist. They were behind the receptionist was a bathroom. They were right behind that was just like this giant room. There were no doors or anything. And so we were all sitting around like doing like pitching all this creative stuff and coming up with all these ideas. And one day I really needed to take a dump. Like something was wrong.

And like I needed to run to the bathroom. But it was that one bathroom, like I said, it's all, it's all open office. It's like, oh man, it's gonna be terrible. So I go in there and like take this monster, nasty dump. And I go to flush it and the toilet just won't flush. And I was like, oh my god, there's no plunger, there's nothing in here. I'm gonna open this door and everyone's gonna be able to smell it and I can't do anything

about it. I had to like open the door very quickly come out and like ask the receptionist who's like sitting right there like, hey, do you have a plunger? She had to go get it for me and I had to go back in, close the door, and then fight with it for the next couple of minutes to try to get the toilet to flush. Were you, was this like a building, like with like a ground floor?

Were you like in like a high rise? I was on the ground floor. I would have probably jumped out of window. Yeah. I wanted to, I wanted to just walk out and leave and never go back. I wanted to like the earth to swallow me up. Hey, it's, It was so awful, Eric.

This is a tunnel aside. Just get the reception. But do you have a push? He's sitting at the front desk. Yeah, look at the front desk. Look at that. Yeah, I'll make it to the guest plunger. I had a hubcap tied to it for some reason. Oh

My god, dude. Oh, I'm dying. Oh, it's so funny. It was awful as bad as you think it is It was worse. It was worse because everyone watched me Like there's there's nothing else like you open the door. Everyone turns and looks, you know Terrible That reminds me I don't know why but you talked about jumping on the first floor. Do you remember when we were doing that press junket of interviews that Comic Con a few years ago we were interviewing people from like WB shows? Yeah.

Do you remember that dude? I don't remember what show he was on, but he kept trying to convince us we needed a pee out of the second floor of a window. Did you ever do that? No, no, I remember that. I still don't need to do that. I still don't need to do that. We need to find a second floor.

We can do that. He was just like, kept going on about it. It's an amazing feeling. It's just out of a window someday. Just try it. You'll get it. All right. I guess we'll try it. But that he was on TV. Yeah, he's successful. Yeah

Do you you peed off of a roof of a building once? I was wondering we were gonna get to the story. Oh awesome, okay We went to we were in LA. Do you know why I don't remember? It's E3 E3 2003 I think you and Jason? I don't remember. It was E3. E3. Is E3 2003, I think? You and Jason and I got so incredibly drunk. We were staying at a nice hotel. Yeah, I have no memory of where it was. Now is at this, I could not tell you. And we decided we wanted to go get in the hot tub,

but it was like midnight and it was closed. And we figured out how to get in the hot tub, but it was like midnight and it was closed. And we figured out how to break into the hot tub and we did. And then we just, we didn't have swim trunks or anything. So we went in the hot tub in our underwear. And we were just like, all the lights were off. We were trying not to get noticed. And then we were just kept getting drunker and drunker. And then we just-

Because being drunk and getting in the hot tub is a great idea. Yeah. So smart. This is so smart. By the way, I'll be sober for six years and more. So some of these some of these memories are why. And we dared each other to pee off of the roof. And I don't remember if I was the only one to brave enough to do it or not, but it was you and Jason were there as well. And we peed off the roof of that hotel.

But there was no week, by the way, onto all the cars below. And then we eventually got kicked out. No. And then I don't remember what happened after that, but I woke up in front of our door at like five in the morning in my underwear, sleeping in front of the front door. We had a photo for a long time,

it's back before a digital camera. We had taken a photo of him laying their face down in the hallway. Just in my tiny way, it was underwear. Just wet from the thoughts of, I just decided to sleep in front of the room. It's like dude, the room's right. Is all right, there's no room. And then I don't have to talk on the door,

they let me in. That photograph followed me for years. I'm glad that one disappeared. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, that's so funny. I don't know, we're at about 35, 36 minutes. We haven't talked about this place at all. These have been very good stories.

I don't want to like cut this off. These have been great stories. I've enjoyed them a lot. So I drive by this place a lot. What is this? And I always see like kids. I always thought it was a playground here. This is called Little Fields.

Yeah. That coffee place is called Fleet. Yeah, Fleet Coffee's good. You ever been to Fleet Coffee on Weberville? It's the best coffee shop in Austin. Okay, we should probably go there for the show where we drink coffee. Let's do it.

Okay, let me keep going here. The Taco Place is called Veracruz. Yeah. Best talk is in Austin. There's a snow cone place. Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah. What the fuck is Littlefields?

I don't know. No, no, no. There's a bunch of buildings around here too. Yes. We're like in the parking lot. Those are homes. Those are homes? Yeah.

Well, the parking lot also says parking for Littlefields. And I went, oh, maybe, okay, I mean, I know Littlefields is this, but maybe Littlefields is that building. It's not that building. It's kind of what Eric was here first. He saw me walk in and walk out. Because I was confused.

Like you said, nothing says little fields. Like maybe this is a right place. Nothing in here is a right place. Little fields. I guess it's just like the area was called Little Fields. The area's called Terry Challenge. The corner that we're on is called Little Fields. Well, you don't want to call it like clearly

somebody owns this property and then has least space to the coffee and the taco place. They are genius for having done that by the way. But genius. Yeah. But I guess they call it Little Fields so that like a Veracruz moves out and somebody moves in. They don't change the name.

They don't change the name. It's a park, it's like a park with artificial turf. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I think we were a park with artificial turf. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I think we were talking about it when we were deciding to come here that this is a place for like nannies to bring like the kids they're watching.

Yeah. That is how this feels. They need way more parking. The parking here's the trophy. It is gnarly and we all could have taken one car. Something to think about. You should feature reference. Yeah, just, I mean, we're just sort of

spitballing here, but. The coffee is really good. Yeah, so we also got tacos, because I wanted to review the tacos also. So let me get these tacos out. Oh, this could be a whole thing. I was wondering why we were needing them. Nothing like some cold tacos.

They're warmish. What the, what is going on? I don't know. Okay, so we also got tacos because I wanted to see what these tacos were because you guys wouldn't shut up about Veracruz. Have you never eaten Veracruz? Nope.

Oh man. Oh beautiful. Never had it. So this is a spot everyone seems thrilled. This is a spot where they have coffee right next to the taco truck. The coffee thing very fast. Could not believe how fast we got server coffee.

Mark, I don't know if it came out like in 22nd. It was, I mean, they told us like, oh, you pick it up and the woman went, just hang out for like 20 seconds, I'll just, I got it. And it was like, damn, all right. Then you go over to Veracruz, you don't have to talk to anyone. It's all on their like iPad in the front. Like a touchscreen ordering system.

And then Gus hacked it so that way a keyboard came up in the middle of ordering, it was pretty cool. I just said, kill him the, it was like, oh, cool. Cool. This is a very cool, if I could ride my bike here, I'd ride my bike here. You know what I mean? Like it's that, because I wouldn't have to deal with parking,

I wouldn't be like a headache. I would like bring my wife here and it would be like, let's get a cup of coffee and a couple tacos and let's chill for half an hour and then be on our way. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have done so much face work here. Is that right?

Yeah, this is where I like, like, I'm riding the cookbook right now. Uh-huh. And I say riding the cookbook is it is turned into a lot of work and it is writing. Who could have seen that coming? I don't know. Trying to get nothing to Eric and know your Eric. No, if it's a Gavin and an Andrew, but they're not super helpful with the rest of these.

I've been nothing but helpful. I don't know why I'm 10 with them. And it's also supposed to be funny. So I'm actually like trying to write it as a funny thing. And I've done a lot of the work here. He told Tony who runs a lot of our merchant design and everything. Just like, I used to do layouts and stuff.

So I think I can lay out a bunch of this stuff. I got it. I got it. I figured out. And then I heard a conversation that went, hey, so it's been a little while since I've done this. And I'm going to need some help. Well, no, so it's been a little while since I've done this, and I'm gonna need some help. Well, no, you just start to realize,

like, all right, because you listen, I went to journalism school and the Army. Journalism Army. I went to journalism Army. I ran, I was a section editor at a newspaper. I did, I laid out the entertainment section of the fourth-hood Sentinel every day, for every week, for years.

I did the layout, the initial layout, and I personally made the first two RT comic books. I think Griffin and Luke took over after that, and they did a much better job. But I have that ability. I just hadn't used it in 15 years. And when I sent down to do it, and I was like, does in design still exist?

Oh, fuck. And then I started looking and I'm like, this is not who I am anymore. I think that's a problem that you and I both have. And I think, I don't know about you, I don't wanna speak for you. It's a problem that has plagued me for years, even before Rupert Keith, like professionally,

that's a problem where I think I can do something, I bought up more than I can chew, and then get in over my head and realize, oh crap. I can kind of do this, but really, I need to bring someone in who knows more to either really help me or to just do the entire thing. Or I could do it and spend 10 times the amount of, like, man hours to make it look 80% as good,

when I could just have the professional people that are right there, yeah. I don't know, it's been a while since he's done it, and you've probably never seen this Eric. But it used to be back when we would share that big living room office at the beauty apartment. Anytime I would fire up Photoshop, Jeff would start laughing and come running over

to watch me use Photoshop. He said it was like watching a monkey rubbing two sticks together trying to make fire. He's like, he would watch me try to edit an image in the most round about stupid way possible. He decided it was the funniest thing in the world. That's another one. I used to be so good at Photoshop and so adept with Photoshop. Now I'll go in, my daughter will be working on something for school and she'll have Photoshop on, but let me see what's going on. I'll watch some of the

it's like she's speaking a different language. I don't know how to do also be like, I, it's like she's speaking a different language. She's like, I don't know how to do any of that. But also everything that she's doing would have made my life so much easier. Was that always there? Yeah, yeah. But professionally, I mean, I guess that's, again, talking about outroeing the fulfillment centers and everything, you outgrew that work.

Like, you had other stuff to do. You couldn't be bogged down doing all of those things all the time. You'd never get anything else done. You'd never get anything else done. We had someone visit us once at the Congress office. Like someone from another internet company who wanted to come down and see how we worked, because he was working with some other content creators online. So I had to see what our work process was and, however,

I'm communicated and he sat in our office in Congress for a week and watched us work, watched how we made stuff and how everything got done. And remember on Friday, he was getting ready to leave, he was going to pack into stuff up to go to the airport to get on his flight. He packed all this stuff up and before he left, before he walked out, he was like, before I leave, I just want to say one thing. I don't know how anything gets done here. He's like, this was baffled, this entire week has been baffling to me to watch how you all do not communicate. There's no hierarchy I can tell, but still somehow

everything gets released and everything gets done. He's like, this is this makes no sense to me. And then he walked out and went to the airport. I don't know if you remember that. I don't remember who it was. But I think that's part of the strength of, well, I mean, researches with so much about right place, right time, right people, right? But I think that was the strength of,

and there are many weaknesses to starting a business with your friends, and I would not recommend it. However, one of the strengths is we had such a short hand with each other, and because we worked together already, we were all working at the call center together, and that Bernie and Matt and Joel had made movies together, so we all had experience working together, and we all had just like, I think the real secret sauce

that we all just had a very similar drive, you know. But like, that's one of the beauties of doing something like this with people that you're so intimately familiar with is that you just kind of work in tandem without having to over communicate. It was, it's like a hydra in a weird way. Yeah, where it's like all, but all of the heads are being, are working together without any spoken communication,

getting stuff done. There was a question that I do want to hit, because it can be answered quickly if you want to answer it. What was the name of the band you toured with? Because you talked about touring with a band and coming to Austin. Oh, the band was called Catcher's Queen, too. Okay.

Yeah, they were a victory records band. Very cool. Maybe they still are. Okay, so let's talk about little fields. Veracruz has a very good green sauce, and the red sauce is so hot, and I was not expecting that. It's usually backwards here, where green is the really, really hot one, and red is the mild one.

Not a Veracruz. Veracruz red is the hot one. And I wish you could see Eric's face. I used the whole container. I used the whole container on one bite. Oh no dude. Because I thought it was like like every other red sauce here. I thought it was nothing. Good talk on the right. It was nothing. That's it. Good taco though, right? Oh, that's the flavor. That's good.

That's it. There's a very good taco. Be careful with the rest. The coffee was also excellent. That's fleet, man. I will say the coffee was good. I really liked it. Then I had the taco and it made the coffee 10 times better.

I don't know what happened. That is a fantastic cup of coffee with that taco. This might be the best cup of coffee we've had recording, Anima. We need to go record it fleet. It is a whole-of-the-wall coffee shop on Weberville. It's across from where Garmons used to be. It's next to the, what's that place called?

Shit. There's a heavy metal bar over there that has shows. What does that mean? The, what is it? Sahara or something? The Lost Well. Is that what it's called? I have no idea.

Unweberville? Oh! Around the corner from Kitty Coens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Lost Well. And I bring that up, it's connected to. The Lost Well. And I bring that up. It's connected to the Lost Well Gus. And I bring that up to you because the Lost Well

is the bar that the people who ran, that other bar that escapes me that we used to go to all the time in Sixth Street that Adam Thompson loved. Oh, love Joyce. Love Joyce. It's there. It's what they all love after love Joyce. Yeah.

Okay, so we'll go, maybe we'll do that next time. We'll go to fleet on the next one. Yeah. So if you had to rate,'ll do that next time. We'll go to fleet on the next one. Yeah. So if you had to rate, I mean, 10. I think I agree. Yeah. Yeah. This is perfect.

Here's the thing. If I'm rating fleet coffee by itself, I think it's up there. I think it's really good for rating the little fields as the spot. My mouth is fire. I am dying. That's good.

You're alive. If I'm rating the whole thing, the taco with the coffee, it's like that's unbeatable. I'm gonna have to drive all the way across town and come over here again. Here's why I'm happy to hear you say that. I thought it was a bit of a risk to recommend this place to y'all, one because I come here all the time

and I really like it, and I would hurt my feelings if you guys didn't like it. But two, it's 90% like nannies with kids running around, and I thought that this could be a recipe for just you guys mostly. I mercilessly screwed. I have been hit by rolling balls. I think about 10 times during this recording

because we're at the bottom of a sloped hill and little kids lose their grip on balls and they come down here and hit me. I don't care, it's that good. It is like, and it's even better at the top of the hill when you sit on that little bar and just kind of look at over it. And it's just, I don't know, man,

the vibe here is just awesome. It's weird how, it's very nabber thing. It's useful, it is. The neighborhood it is considering, it's, I can see MoPak. It's like right off the map. And we heard the loudest audio texture we've ever had from that fire truck.

Even I might agree that was probably too much. That was a lot of audio tech. Like, there were kids, all the kids here were watching and plugging their ears. If you're looking to come visit Austin and you want to go to a, like a hip cool coffee place that we talk about, this is not it. No, you're gonna be like, this is a bunch of families

watching their kids play, but it is just something it's good, awesome. Good food, good coffee. But if you and your girlfriend live around the corner from this place and want to ride your bikes over here, this is a great spot for a little Saturday, Sunday, like breakfast- If you live around the corner from here,

you're probably living in a $3 million house, too. So I just wanna throw that out. There's a house, Emily and I were here not too long ago, and we partner next to a house that was for lease. And so we looked it up, the lease price on the house, $20,000 a month. This is a very expensive part of town. $20,000 a can you imagine paying over $2,000 a year

to rent a house? Any house? That's like how much my house costs. Yeah, and it's not, I mean, it was a fancy house, but it wasn't, it wasn't that. And also this area is not like, wow, it's just the west side of town sort of. It gets pretty wow when you go closer to the river.

When you go in, it's definitely like scenic drive and that stuff. But this is right off the freeway. Yeah, yeah. I mean Gus is right, I'm watching MoPak right now. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. I mean, this is a great episode.

I like the stories and my mouth is finally cooling off and the tacos were good. We'll have to do, we're gonna have to do the other varicories. There's a bunch of them. There's one over there in Mueller. Like you were talking about the Winiflite Cove. There's one over there in Mueller. Yeah, you could probably pick up the varicose in that Mueller and then head down to Fleet. The original, well Fleet has tacos too.

They're good. Yeah, they're good. They're not from varicose. They're from a different taco truck that's also very good, and I can't remember what it's called. But also, I think the original Veracruz is like on East 7th or it's over Caesar Shavas somewhere, I think that's still around too.

There's a bunch of trailers. It's the only, like, as I know, the entire nation has had it now. I feel like Austin kind of led the charge in the trailer park eatery thing early on. Definitely. And I'm so over it. It's gonna have been for many years.

This is the only trailer park through that I get excited or I would ever make a trip just for. Verkis opened a brick and mortar for a while, but then that building got torn down because they're building condos. Yeah. Well, let's get to some name guesses. Oh, God.

Put it out there to say, hey, should we just say the name? People want to really. And lots and a lot of people said say it. And then somebody said, and now here's where I'm going to say the other side. Somebody said, please, please, for the love of God, just say the fucking name. The bit was good 20 episodes ago.

I need to be clear that this isn't a bit. Yeah, it was also never good. And so I want, I don't want you to say the name. OK. It's genuinely not a bit. Hey, I don't know where that this isn't a bit. We don't know the name. It was also never good. And so I want you to say the name. Okay. It's genuinely not a bit. I don't know where that's come from, where it's like this isn't funny anymore. It was never funny.

It was never funny to begin with. You dunce. It's not funny. It wasn't funny. We're trying to guess the name. We're trying to see if you can guess the name. No one's gotten it. What's the bit?

My wife asked me the other day what it stood for. And I told her, and it was my first time seeing it out loud and I hate it. I was like, oh, it's only existed in my head up until this moment and I said it and it was like, I'm like, ugh, I hate it. You texted that and my first question, I wanted to ask it in person,

so I'm glad you bought it up. Is what was Esther's response? Like what was her, when you said it out loud, what was her face? What did she say? Oh. Oh. I was hoping to get something out of that. No, no.

Let me see if we have any guesses. It's mostly people saying say the name. Again, I'm on the other side where I don't think you should ever say the name, but. And Eric's our boss. He's a producer. Yeah, that's right. I'm, that's right. You guys started the company.

You just told stories about getting flown out to play. I look to, I'm the boss. I have, I have like three levels of boss above me. We also, I have so many bosses. Eric, we've, we also talked pretty heavily about how we, we realized that we were okay at stuff, but not great. Yeah. And we've turned it over to the professional. We're the professional. We've turned this over to you.

Oh no, here's some guesses. Here's, this is Brad, his name on Twitter, I am not Brad. Whoa, confusing. Another meta. No. Yeah. That sounds familiar. Yeah, it probably is.

Another meandering anecdote, analyzing memories and arguments, ancillary material. Nope, nope, nope, nope. I don't care. That's a spirit. Another morning activity. Another morning arrives. I'm so defeated by Nolan, we had,

we were nine and I'm suddenly there. And then you and I put all that word. Yeah, and then we didn't, it wasn't even, yeah, nothing. Hang on one more guess. Mike says, Aenus, man. If that's not it, I don't know one more guest. Um, Mike says ainess man. That's not it. I don't know what it is. No. Well, there you have it. Have I ever guessed animation, man, animation? I don't think you have, but that's not it. Oh, I'm not, I'm, I'm not ideas, gang. That's, that sucks. Yeah.

This picture, this cat with gross feet. Well, that'll do it for Anma. Good stories. Rough ending. Still not getting the name. Yeah, it'll eventually happen. It'll, you need to refocus. You all were so close. You had like all this work done. I was like, this is it. And then a couple weeks are going to get it, and you have gone so far off the end. Help us refocus, please help us refocus. You can tweet at us at Animal Podcast. Follow us on Instagram. That's some really close guesses online. Let's come up guys, let's keep this bit going.

Yeah, it's fun. We're gonna make it funny again. This funny, funny, funny bit at Animal Podcasts on Instagram, our slash Animal Podcasts, where there's like a lot of good guesses, a lot of activity on the subreddit. I like that subreddit. Me too, because it's mostly guesses,

and then people doing a lot of the leg work on guesses. Yeah, no. It's mostly that. And then people saying, here's why the golden goal is no longer a thing. And it's like, it makes sense. Yeah, and it's like, oh, that's cool. Never needed to know that.

It's not a thing anymore, I don't care. Yeah. And that's it. Any parting words, final thoughts for the folks out? Give me a way for these kids. Hey. Hey. Hey.

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