ANMA - Q&A with Geoff

Episode Date: September 12, 2022

Good morning, You. Gus isn't here but Geoff & Eric don't believe in off weeks so they've brought you a very special Q&A episode of ANMA. Gus will say its non-canon and that's ok because you sent in great questions and Geoff gives some great answers. This episode is sponsored by Fum (https://www.breathefum.com/ANMA) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't see even, he's not in Austin, right? No, my understanding is that he's not in Austin. Okay, so he's, have you noticed, have you noticed that our friend and coworker Gus, he takes at least one vacation a month? He's a 12 vacation a year kind of guy. You know, I think if you start a company, you can do that. So I guess my advice to you is give it a shot. Okay, do you want me to be harder to schedule?

I can, I can go from taking one vacation a year to 12, but it's not gonna help any of our podcasts. None of our content's gonna get better for it. Yeah. I asked, because I don't know where he went, and I asked, I was working out with Blaine, and I asked Blaine, hey, where did, do you know where Gus went?

And he went, no, I don't think I do, and I went, oh, are we in a secret Gus situation? He's so secret, they don't even realize secret Gus exists. That's exactly, he's gotten even better at masking his identity. It's incredible. So we want to do a supplemental, just like a half hour thing

where we get together and give you content, even though Gus doesn't want you to have it. So he wants you to have it just occasionally. Just when it's convenient to him when he can fit it in amongst the vacation. And then he will definitely let you know that these are non-canon, any episode without him or non-canon episodes

and he'll be really loud about it on different slack channels in different threads. Like it's not performative or for anyone, it's simply for him. It's, yeah. Man, I love these podcasts, because they give you guys a little bit of, like a hint of the real personalities behind the company.

Man, I wish we could, I wish we could show even more who Gus is off-cam. Oh, it's great. It's awesome. Working with Gus, I really enjoy. It's very different from working with anyone else. I don't know that there's anyone I've ever worked with that is like Gus. I agree. The's very different from working with anyone else. I don't know that there's anyone I've ever worked with that is like Gus.

I agree. The thing that scares me about that and you intimidated this to me the other day. I don't know if it was on camera or just in person, but he, he, he's mentored you. He's, you've leaned in sites for. Oh, absolutely. And that scares me. Yeah. Oh, but, but they're great. And it helped a lot, especially with like Bernie and Gavin and stuff where he August told me like don't give him an inch because if they have wiggle room That's where extra medium becomes the biggest fucking thing like you can't give them anything You will never in you probably won't ever happen again because Bernie died or whatever but He's up living.

He retired up state to the farm. He's got lots of room to run. He's running around in fields with a contact creators. Yeah, it's like him and some pigs. And that's like 1984 actually. He's running the farm newsletter. No one can break us. Like I can get under his skin. I can needle him. But no one can like break us on a personality level. Yeah. And just shut him, turn him off

and shut him down faster than Michael Bernie Burns. It is a superpower that man had. I assume he still has it at the forum. Yeah. Upstate New York. Or what? Anytime somebody says upstate, I always think upstate New York. Yeah, I think it's just the term. I think that's why Gus has that notion of like,

can't give him an inch. Because he knows what happens when anyone gets an inch. Yeah. So don't give it to him. One inch of Bernie Indigust and that's fucking game over, dude. Just the tip, barely. Oh, man. So, I wanted to do a Q&A, just see what kind of you guys, what questions you had for Jeff,

while we do a little half hour supplemental. Before we do that, can I just say real fast? Yeah. This is one thing I love about you. I come, I sit down. Uh huh. I had an idea that didn't pan out. Okay.

But I knew that I was coming into today with an idea because I always, because I'm professional. You should. Most people aren't. You always come with ideas. It's what, you're always prepared. I was, I was trying to think of what we could do. And this is a great idea and I'm glad we're gonna do it.

I'm sorry. I apologize for sidelineing it for a second. No, that's fine. I decided, we talk about Austin, tell stories. What if I go get the paper, like the Austin American Statesman, and we just take a couple sections, we just go like, what's in the paper today? And we just do that thing. I went to two gas stations.

There was no paper. I don't think papers are anymore. Wow. Yeah, and they got me thinking, I, I think the off-synamerican statesman might be in a print, or an online only paper now. Wow. I don't know, but talk about changes in a lifetime.

I, I didn't realize this, but you can't, at least around my neighborhood, you can't go to a gas station and buy a newspaper. You can't get a newspaper. Buy a newspaper. When was the get a newspaper. Buy a newspaper. When was the last time you were reading a newspaper, though? Well, I will say Emily subscribes to the New York Times Sunday edition. Oh, really?

I have never touched it, but it is around. So, it's been many years for me. Many, many, many, many years for me. The answer doesn't change. Not in your fact, I didn't know. I didn't know why. Nothing you'd be able to know, but I don't know why I do that. The paper doesn't change. Not in your fact, I don't know why. Nothing you've been up, I don't know why I do that in. The paper is delivered to my home. I refuse to touch it.

Yeah, I guess it's to show my obstinance. Yeah, it's great, great work. Anyway, the Q&A. Okay, at Mooney Riot on Twitter says, do you have a favorite tattoo? Yeah, I do, really. Yeah, what is it? Oh, you want to know. Okay, shut up. Yeah, well, I do, really. Yeah, what is it? Oh, you wanna know.

Okay, shut up. Yeah, well, I mean, I love all of my tattoos. Of course. That's not true, I just like a lot of them. But. Do you really, because that's the next question. Somebody asked you have any tattoos that you don't like. I got a couple.

Okay, cool. This one right here, it's on the, what would you call this? The butt of your hand. The butt of my hand, like the softest part of your hand. Yeah. Is a little ghost and that's from a picture, Millie Drew, when she was three called Daddy and the Ghosts. And it was a picture of me in the middle of the paper

and a thousand ghosts around me. That's fucking scary dude. It felt like a threat. Yeah. Well, we lived in a haunted house whole thing going on there and Millie used to draw a lot of ghosts, but I picked one and I decided I was gonna do it. That's a good one.

I like it. So that's probably my favorite. That's really cool. That's a, uh, somebody else asked what you're, do you have a least favorite tattoo? Shit, yeah, probably. Uh, I get a couple that don't least ever. I have a tattoo of the Savage Dragon right here.

There's just a ugly mess of green. Oh, I think that's- And I don't really collect comic books anymore and I haven't for many, many years. So I'm not crazy about that one. I'm not jazzed if I have in Gavin's nose on my leg, but whatever I can live with it. Don't know that I need a bad religion tattoo anymore.

Yeah! But, you know, I was a kid. Here's one that's funny. I won't say I regret it yet, because it hasn't come up. But Emily and I were in Hawaii a couple of years ago for her birthday. And we get tattoos, vacation tattoos,

wherever we go. Like I got this in Amsterdam, got this in Australia. Where were we going? The first ones in the jar with the lighting. Oh yeah, jar with a palm tree. Pong tree is a good, a smoco. Yeah, I'm on smoco.

Yeah, I'm going to smoco. So we always get like done with tattoos wherever we go. While we were in Hawaii, we thought it'd be fun to get pineapple tattoos, because we had just toured the dull pineapple factory and had dull whip and did the corn maze and the whole thing, and just loved it. And a friend of hers who used to work at her salon

was Hawaiian and was like, I don't know if she was a receptionist or a hair stylist at the salon, but she worked at Emily Salon and then she moved back home to Hawaii, and her mother owns a tattoo parlor there in Honolulu, and she works at the tattoo parlor, so we had an instant hookup. Oh, that's killer.

Yeah, so we just went in one day, she got to hang out with her old friend. I got to get tattooed by this really cool old, like a lion's skater punk dude, who was really nice, and talking about music and stuff. And to commemorate our trip to Hawaii, we got these pineapple tattoos. Right side up pineapple tattoos.

I bring that up because I'm not aware. It's so you were made aware, got it. I have since been made aware that the pineapple is like the swinger logo upside down pineapple is the swinger logo. And so I just have to keep my foot on the ground at all times. And italy's is very visible like on our arm. And so I just have to keep my foot on the ground at all times. Yeah.

And it'll ease this very visible, like, on our arm. And it hasn't come up yet, maybe because it's right that up. But I've seen people look at it. And it's a little, and I feel like, keep your eye out when you're at the grocery store. And you might spot someone or a couple who are walking around the grocery store with a upside down pineapple in the top part of that cart. That's a real thing. Is that how shoppers or shoppers? Is that how swingers shopper sex? That's I think I don't know. It's that and then having, you know, how you

put like little flags in like your front yard and stuff like that upside down pineapple stuff it upside down pineapple and like a window stuff like, is it not fucking crazy? That's crazy and not what we were going to. Yeah. Addle. So I don't regret it. Uh-huh. But, you know, yeah, wow. Jazzed about the association.

Oh, that's funny. Um, I'm so you started talking about the pineapple and I went, I wonder if this is going in the direction. Yeah. And then it did. Um, okay. Uh, another question from Atmerch Guy Steve, says, what would the title of your autobiography be?

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But the suicide note I've come up with, things go very badly, which I don't anticipate. I guess I'll use it. It was just, it's okay world. I didn't like you either. Oh, damn. That's a great title. So that's what my bottle biography would be called. It's okay world, I didn't like you either. The Jeff Ramsey story.

That's a great title for autobiography. Wow, that is not where I thought the beginning of that was different. Oh man, oh man,. Uh, not suicidal. Got it. A happy dude completely understand. Yeah. Happy dude. At moving on. Uh, a movie at Matthew Lewis one. Uh, is there a bar or restaurant that you really miss or one that you're glad is gone forever in Austin? one that you're glad has gone forever in Austin.

I wish Gus was here to help answer this because I feel like it's got the vitriol side. I feel like you're gonna go, oh, there's this one taco place. And then I feel like Gus would be like, this place wrong to me one time and I'm glad it's gone forever. I like the bar a lot on the east side called Peacock Lounge. Oh, yeah, okay.

That place was really, it was a tiny little bar at the end of six street. I think it's a place called St. Rox now or something like that, not the same. It was like a swanky little place and they had like, this back when I was drinking and drinking heavily, they had absence, but they had the full set up. Back before it was cool to have the full set up, you know, they came like in vogue for a little while after that. Kind of like who go went through the phase. There was a place, I probably talked about it on this podcast,

the Gus and I used to go called Shaggy's Boom Bastick, which where we'd get like these Jamaican jerk fries, they're really good. A lot of people talk about holiday house. I've never went there. Jack was talking to me about it last night. A lot of people around UT loved a place called Players. I was okay. As far as places that I don't miss, yeah, I really

really need Gus here for that. I mean, it's not like you go to a lot of bars anymore. So it's not like I go to a lot of bars anymore. Yeah, it's my, I'm out of touch with the bar scene, which is so funny to me because when you drink, maybe not everybody, but like drinking was a huge part of, it was my social life, right? Yeah. Like get off work, go straight to a bar for happy hour, six days a week. I used to read a book in there and drink and just spend time with myself or hang out with my friends. And when I quit drinking, I remember thinking like, I'm not going to be like, I'm determined. I'm not going to be one of those guys who never steps foot into a bar again. Yeah. Like just because I don't drink the alcohol doesn't mean I can't still enjoy the same

ambiance, the same environment, have conversations with the same people. And turns out that's utter bullshit. Bars are fucking gross. They smell like stale beer and ammonia and bleach and everybody is, everybody when they drink is annoying. And I, you just don't realize it because you're also annoying. Right. It was the fat, I never stopped.

It was the fastest thing I ever quit in my life was going to bite like instantly. I went, oh god, damn. It's like going to a strip club with the lights on for the first time. And you're like, this is where I've been, I touched that. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I don't really, I don't really, I'm so far away from bars. I don't really think about them.

And it's for, I think a lot of us now here are like, you know, a lot of people who I can, like, they're early 30s or whatever. I'm in like my mid late 30s now. And bars just aren't, I'll go to like a daytime kind of bar situation where it's like, oh, let's go get lunch. You know what I mean? There's always like a food thing that goes with it. I'm hardly going, I would love to go and just drink,

but there's no, it just doesn't happen. It's just like not a thing. You know, you get older and it just doesn't happen as much anymore. They're louder than you remember. Yeah, yeah. I like a good bar. I like a good,

divey kind of bar or whatever, but I think what happens is that people, you stop living in like scum zones with like shit people and dirt house places, and you start making your house a home, and you go, why would I want to go out and drink? I just be here and it's cozy.

That is the, it is the dirt bag maturation process. Yeah. Like we climb out of the dirt and then you don't want to go back into it. No, I totally right down with you. Like the old idea of going to like like fucking like a narco punk shows in a band and build warehouses and shit and fucking pass it around Who knows what it is you're drinking? Yeah, I don't miss that. No, like once you once you want you want you get a taste of anything nice It used to be all we knew and then it became I know more and then I go I don't want to

Why don't I do that anymore? Let me do this nice thing. That's, it's way better. I grew up in Alabama in the 80s, and everybody I knew from about the age of two on smoked cigarettes, little babies on the side of the road, puffin' away, but it's still in diapers, just puff, puff, puff. And then I joined the army and from 1993 to 1998, I was in the army and I was, I remember those days because during that time,

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Next gen gaming is built with Intel Core i9 processors. . Will you and Gus get an Anima tattoo together? It's a question from Echo Darkfire. You and Gus get an Anima tattoo. I would get a tattoo with Gus. Yeah. We already have it.

We got tattoos together. Do you really? Yeah. So Gus's got have it. We got tattoos together. Do you really? Yeah. So Gus's got to my knowledge three tattoos. I think that's right. He's got an e-on his finger for Esther. He's got an Atari logo on the small of his back, which I, it's great.

I supported because I thought it wouldn't be, I supported it because I thought it was a bad idea. I was like 100% want hell, uh, uh, wanted to make fun of it. Yeah. Uh, but the first tattoo Gus ever got, he wanted to, I don't know if you've heard this story. I don't know, I don't think I have.

Uh, he, uh, he, he was a real big fan of the movie Blade. We're both enjoyed the movie Blade. Hell yeah. Yeah, well, Wesley Snikes, man, and that movie's so fucking cool. A lot of logan's in it and he plays a good bag guy. Yeah. He's like, I got him with my big sticker. And, uh, and fucking, and then he's like in the Dallas TV and you're like, wow, I came to the same person. And then Wesley Snipes is like, some motherfuckers always trying to ice skate up

hill, which is still the coolest thing I've ever heard. He's a great movie. Uh, but anyway, all the dragon, like all the Renfield dragon clans, they brand their Renfields like in the back of their neck and Gus wanted to get one of those. Uh-huh. The Kobayashi, I remember it. Cool. Cool. The like the Asian samurai one thing at Vampire clan and he wanted to get it, but he was scared and I was like, I'll get one, just to fucking do it too. So I got the dragon Eddie and he got the Kobayashi, I think it is, on the back of our necks on the same day. You have a blade tattoo.

I got a first to show him, hey, it's not no big deal. And then he got it. Yeah, that's awesome. And then we ate it, not too long after that, we were eating at Warmthew, which is that, Chinese restaurant we talked about with the wet floors, and the bark and the waiter recognized it,

and was like blown away. He was like, is that a blade tattoo? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, it's from the Dragonity, right? And I went, yeah. And then I thought, I don't want other people to know about this. And I was a little, I was like, kind of dressed out. Like the dude was kind of weird.

And then I was like, oh, the people that recognize this, I don't, yeah. I don't want to have these conversations. And so I just prayed it never happened again. And it hasn't so far. Oh, that's good. Yeah. That's fucking awesome.

I didn't know that. Yeah, I had no idea. That's awesome. So I would definitely get another tattoo with Gus. I would like to know what the name of the show is before I get a tattoo. I agree. Yeah.

I agree. I can't believe we haven't guessed it yet. Well, I mean, I guess I can. I just can't believe I haven't guessed it yet because my guess was so good. But the fucker was on Twitter last night. Oh, well, maybe I've messed people up with the language thing. Fuck you.

What a prick. What a piece of shit. Go back into wherever the fuck hole you're hiding in this week and stay off social media. Fucking pop up out of the middle of nowhere just to annoy us and then go back down. It's not a bit. I like that he started saying like by the way these these guesses have started getting really bad. This is have started getting really bad. I thought that was great. It's such a turn. Nick Walter 23 says, when you retire, what do you think you'll do?

Nothing. I mean, like, is there a hobby you think you take out? How do you think you'll spend your time? Not like what are you gonna do for a job because you're fucking retired, dude. Well, so that's a good question. Uh-huh. There are a lot of people in my life,

uh, Bernie, uh, my family, uh, uh, all of my friends, most of my friends, uh, seem to think that I will, I will not be able to stop working. Okay. Like I will not be able to actually retire. Right, they're right, but okay. And that if I retire, I'll just create a new business to run.

That sounds like it. As a part of a retirement. I mean, it sounds right. How long ago did you start this company? Anyway, we just started. 19 and a half years. Yeah. I think I would like to think that I will ride my bicycle

and I will listen to fucking rock and roll records. Okay. And I will swim and jet ski and that's it. What I suspect I'll probably do is start some sort of a baseball card shop. I don't know, man. I feel like I'm collecting enough cards and I'll just start a shop and sell my shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just like nothing good once.

No, even the good, I don't wanna fuck the like here. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Just keep my Margas smarts, everything else can go. That's good. It's getting untenable. Yeah.

My closet, I had to remove my hamper in my closet to make room for cards. Dude, what the fuck? I know, it's bad. That's crazy. It's so bad. That's maybe too many. It's so bad. Emily found out the other day she was like, somebody was talking about how you had like

a thousand Tom Brady cards or something on TV. And she was like, how many Marcus Smart cards do you have? I was like, like, unique. Uh huh. And she's like, total. And I go, I don't know. It's unique. I have probably 30, 200.

What? Yeah. What? And total, I've maybe probably 3200. What? Yeah. Yeah. What? And total, I've maybe 6000. What? Yeah, I have a lot. It's a, yeah, it's bad. Oh my God.

Yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to say 32 and then that was going to be the end of the year. 100, yeah. No, I didn't think the 100 was going on there. Oh my God. Yeah, I need to whittle down the, the ones I have two and three and 10 of.

What the fuck? I know, I know. Wow. Yeah. Dude, that's man. Maybe open a laundromat. There's money in the laundromat, right? That's what we determined.

Yep. Money laundering, I mean like literally. I do, I just fucking, I just see myself like in this nice old century home. Like we rented a house in Lockhart, which if you're not familiar with Austin, it is a town, 35 minutes southeast of Austin. It used to be the barbecue capital of the world.

It's still got all those great barbecue places, but there's just so much great barbecue everywhere now, even outside of Texas. Texas barbecue has kind of taken over, at least the United States. And there's a Texas barbecue place, almost as good as any Austin, Texas barbecue place,

pretty much every time you get, major time you go into. You there's a Texas barbecue place almost as good as any Austin, Texas, barbecue place, pretty much every time you get major time you go into. You get fucking phenomenal Texas barbecue in New York right now. I think I think that it's a thing that's just spread out. It's it's great. Lockhart. That was like the spot though. It was a spot. You'd always hear about it. It's a it's a place where they they film the movie waiting for Guthman. Oh, yeah, it's a it's a very charming place. And anyway, there's a house there that we rent sometimes. And it's like this three story. Anyway, there's a house there that we rent sometimes, and it's like this three story old century home with a pool in the back,

and it's like at this really well-manicured lawn with like bamboo, and it has like a speaker system outside. So you go and you just lay in the pool and turn on rockin' roll music, and drink a diet coke, and just be lazy in the sun. I would like to do that every day for the rest of my life.

I'd like to find a house like that somewhere more affordable than Texas. And just work on a tan. Yeah, really. And just listen to music. Like people, I was thinking about this the other day with like, you know, I don't play video games anymore. Yeah.

I started a company based around playing video games. Yeah, you got PS5 now, so it's fine. I got a PS5 now. I mean, I played this game called Gyms or I played it for an hour before I got here. Chips. But it's not because of anything other than it's just like an addiction and they name the achievement after me

that it's taking me a long time to get. And when I'm done with that, I think I'm probably done. Like, it just doesn't appeal to me anymore. Right. The thing that I still really love to do that I could easily spend like three or four hours without even realizing it is just listening to music. It has never gotten old to me.

At any point in my life, it's always been like the most entertaining thing I can do. It's what part of why I love to ride bikes is because you just listen to music in your headphones while you're at bikes. It's a great way to get exercise while listening to music So I think I could just very happily just listen to fucking bands. Yeah, yeah, man. That's great. See that that's a good answer Yeah, that that way you're not working. That's my day dream. Yeah. Yeah, that's good

I mean, that's what you could do in retirement. So sitting sitting in bamboo in a pool not bad. Yeah listen listen to I don't know. Dude, I listen, I fucking discovered this deal the other day. Uh huh. Have you ever heard of a guy, sorry, I'm gonna take a, this is a tangent, but. No, that's fine. Have you ever heard of a guy named,

fucking, why can't I find his name now? Yeah. Ty. I found this song called. Yeah. Old 70s rock song called Tiger Rock. Have you heard this song? By a guy named Tiger B Smith.

Never heard of him, never heard of before, and I saw it, I don't know where I saw it. And I got so into it, I've been listening to Tiger Rock constantly for like a week. And I could just like, I think that there's so much music out there that I've never heard of. You could just surf old...

Oh, big time. Like old genres. Yep. And never, never get close to tired of it. What? Tiger B Smith. Tiger Rock. Is, just like 70s guitar rock.

It is. Is it German? I don't know. Is he? Band founded in 1972 in Frankfurt. Oh, I guess so. Holger Schmidt. Yeah, this German.

Anyway, the fucking song is great. Wow, that's really cool. All right, well, there you go. Something to listen to. Yeah. Another question we got a couple left. I mean, there's a lot of questions, but we have a couple of minutes left.

Zenefie, EXE. What's your favorite? What's your ideal baked treat? But there's another question, but it doesn't make the end do the baked treat. I want to get that one in there. You're like a cookie guy, a cake guy. I guess I don't give a shit.

Wow, really? Oh, I'll take an apple pie over to just about anything. Oh, crazy. I like apple pie. You do with piece cheese or no? No, just like a very, it's a very lame twin pizza answer, but coffee and apple pie. We should get it with cheese.

Never tried. Really? It's very good. What kind of cheese? A cheddar? Okay. A slice of cheddar cheese. He eats it in taxi driver.

That's why I tried it. He eats it in taxi driver. If you look back and you say taxi driver's like your favorite movie in your 20s, maybe at the time, it's probably like, okay, but you look back at it now and you go, oh, maybe you're like, a fucking little weirdo, you'll freak. Yeah, well, you know, the range of acceptable has changed over the years. I will say that like, I don't know if it's the case for 20 year olds now, but in our era, that reminds a little before years, but they overlap.

Taxi driver was a very cool movie, very cool people loved, you know? Everybody loved it, it was awesome. You look at it now and you're like, it's wrong in a million, in a million different ways. It's a million different ways. I'm embarrassed that it was my favorite movie in the same way that I'm embarrassed that I went to film school and embarrassed that I listened to Weezer.

You know what I mean? Like, does that make sense? Like, does that? You know what I mean? Like, I'll think, like, if there is... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha. It's, no, I totally get it. Like if there is It's no I totally got all of those things kind of live in like a circle. Yeah, yeah for me it was

Taxi-divers in that but also clockwork oranges in that. Yeah, I love this movie and then you're like What did I love? Yeah, what was it about? What about? What about I think I think it's it's when you learn empathy and introspection, when you take a step back and you go, so what was wrong with me at the time that I found this appealing? Like, what the fuck? Oh, next part of this question, the reason that I asked it was best early office pranks, or who was the best

kind of office prankster. Oh man, this is another one where it'd be great to have guests here. Of course. I don't know, it's hard to even identify an office prank because it was like, they were like three or four a day. Like it was constantly, we were talking about or four days. You know, like it was constantly, we were talking about this the other day,

like all of our friendship was derived on being really cruel and mean to each other. Like the thing with Jason and the Islam airport ticket. There were so, so, so many of those things. I will say, just kind of jumps to mind and something that I had kind of forgotten about, but popped into my head the other day. My favorite thing used to be,

and I don't know if this counts as an office prank, but we used to, especially in the early days, before YouTube took off, when machinimo was considered an art form and therefore in our early successes, we were doing a lot of like college talks and going to film festivals. And you know, it morphed into anime and video games

and comic book conventions pretty quickly. But there was about a three year period there. That was the time when we were like on the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and all that stuff. When we were an emerging technology and an interesting filmmaking tool that like James Cameron had used to help design the Titanic and shit like that, you know, it was a little high-minded at the time. It didn't last, it didn't last long enough. So, or maybe it did continue to last, but people realized that we were dick and fart jokes and we didn't fit in with that. But in that period,

we won some awards and we would end up on stage a lot. And my favorite fucking thing on Earth to do was to go up on stage with Bernie, watch him get into his groove, and then embarrass him. And I did it to him over and over and over again. Every opportunity I got. Anytime Bernie and I appeared on a stage

or on camera together, I found a way either by saying something so outlandish or outrageous that it shut him down, or that he had to recover from, or doing something physical to him or behind him, so he didn't know why people were laughing at him, just the most juvenile shit. And I did it 100% of the time. That's fantastic.

Like one time, we had to go up and give a speech. And it was right after Kanye, doing the George Bush doesn't care about black people thing. We gave a speech in New York City for winning an award. And Matt had a whole thing, and then I think Bernie or somebody said something.

And then as they were walking off, I just yelled, George Bush doesn't care about black people, but the mic cut out. And so they just heard me scream black people. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh fuck. What are you doing? And then I was, I was hilarious.

It didn't bother me, but it really, really tainted the evening for everybody else. Really, really soured the mood. Really, really, yeah. Phenomenal. Yeah. That's fucking great. I don't regret doing those things,

but I don't, I don't miss doing them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would do this on the last question here from Austin Ease on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. around 2010. So anything, was there something that you were like, we should go this way instead of that way or something that you want it like, were you, were you really banking on strangerhood to go like 20 seasons or what? That's really interesting. I think that we tried to go in those directions and it became pretty clear. Like that we, we took the paths that worked. You know, so it's a lot of times it wasn't a decision as much as we tested the fence and then we just kind of went where we could make traction

and so like we tried with strangerhood and it became almost immediately. And we tried to like, we're gonna get a license and we're gonna do it right from the way we started a partnership with EA, we did this whole thing. And then it became very quickly, very difficult to film. Like we, is one of those things where we had a lot of confidence in what we were doing, we made one episode,

it wasn't terrible. And then you realize how much harder it's gonna be to make the next 11 or 12. I soured on machinima pretty quickly in that process because it realized, I think we could have gone around where we did more machinima pretty quickly in that process because I realized I think we could have gone around where we did more machinima, but I think Bernie really correctly identified this and it made a lot of sense and I'm glad we did.

Which is that like all the games that were best suited for what we were doing were FPS's. And pretty quickly you discover when you try to do a new series in college duty or whatever You're just making a rip off of the thing you've already done like you were just making a lot of red versus blue clones Right, we didn't want to do that So we we tried to be really selective about those about those productions like 1,800 magic was in a game called Shadowrun and we did it because we could lean into the magic and had this whole fantastical world I was like Joel headed that up and he got that in a great job with it, and then we did a series called panics in fear

And we just leaned into the horror comedy and that was I think honestly that's about as far as we could go right in that direction There was always a lot of internal struggle and and debate over whether we should continue to do the commercial work we were doing. And ultimately we stopped. It was tough because it was really good money and consistent work, but it was also, and there's another moment where I thought Bernie was really insightful, every time we were working on a maddened commercial, we weren't working on our thing. It was 100%. It was somebody else's IP.

And it was ultimately a little short-sighted. So I really do feel like we took the right paths. There were a couple of moments, I guess, where we could have explored partnerships. But I really do feel like we made a lot of the right decisions at the right times early on. And so, that's my happy different answer, but nothing really jumps to mind other than,

I guess we could have gone further down the machine and the rabbit hole and I'm glad we didn't. Yeah, that's great, good answer. It also forces to come up with other lines of business, right? That's how this happened, that's how broadcast happened. It's how events happened, it's how broadcast happened. It's how events happened. It's how animation happened. And so I'm really glad.

It's kind of like he's asking about, what do you, what route would you've taken whatever? We weren't a podcast company. We had the Ristik podcast, we had off topic. We had always opened, I guess, kind of a podcast. There were like shows, those were shows. I wouldn't classify those as even the Rooster podcast podcast name Those were shows they were on a stage. Yeah, they were shows We didn't do audio only stuff and then it was through like

Working with broadcast and these guys like Nick Schwartz is one of the guys who like led that charge hard to like get Podcasts going and you don't realize until you're like on the other side of it, how fruitful it could potentially be. But it's what you're saying, of like testing the fence and seeing like where you can make traction. We found that we can make traction with podcasts. And like you don't know that stuff until you sort of, you know, put everything into it.

But like, we wouldn't be here doing this if it wasn't for good morning from hell, black box down. Like those to me are like the first two podcast audio only shows that led this way of us going like, oh, we should like really explore this. And I think that's just the way the stuff works. Good morning from hell will not, and I don't know why, maybe it will.

I'm gonna say right now, good morning from hell deserves all the credit in the world for where to say right now, good morning from Hell deserves all the credit in the world for where we are right now. And I really owe a lot to Blaining Chris and those guys because I had an office that was next to where they recorded. And I remember it was you being there. Right before I took over as the creative director

in the period that I was. And which I would like to say, I'm glad I oversaw a lot of the podcast growth. You said yes. You said yes. And I'm very proud of that. But a lot of that was informed by sitting in a room next to Blaine and Chris and hearing how funny

they were off the cuff and how inventive and how creative they were. And I was just like, I was seeing this life in them as they were, as they were kind of exploding creatively in this little world they were building. And world building was always like my favorite thing we did. And that really, really, I wanted to be a part of it. So I kept, I made sure I was around every time they did an episode so I could have a minimum listen in. I asked to be in it. I sat in behind.

I wanted to write jokes for it. Like I just wanted to be around it. And I, and that really informed like, when I became creative director, like where I kind of wanted to take things because I was just like, I was kind of so blown away by what I saw from them. And then, you know, like, the easiest thing in the world

was say yes to black box down. And at that point, I was already a fan of that kind of podcast. So I thought it was a great way for us to stretch. But immediately right after that face jam happened and it was like, it was such affirmation. Like what y'all did was even so new and fresh and different from what Good Morning from Hell was doing. And I was just like, it was watching Flowers Bloom,

you know, and so it was so fucking exciting and I'm so thankful. Yeah, Good Morning from Hell happened and that they went through and created that because if they hadn't, I don't know, I don't know that we would have a face or 30 more than minutes, or red web, or any of that stuff.

Yeah, there's no way. But again, that's, you know, again, what he's asking of like what project or direction it's really, those things are just lighting in a bottle sometimes and you kind of, you get it when you get it, that's the way that it is. It also helped me realize,

I can give you a very long rambling answer if you'd like, but it also helped me realize, I can give you a very long rambling answer if you'd like, but it also helped me understand a lot about what I want to do as an entertainer. Yeah. Like I always wanted to be Howard Stern and I kind of lost sight of that in the weeds in the achievement of a hundred days. Video games were like, were this amazing for many years, were this amazing tool that allowed me to create a group of people and coalesce around and kind of create my own Howard Stern

show. Yeah, maybe without even consciously realizing it, but with having the video game to focus on, and to be a visual element, to kind of tie us all together. And then help us learn to be entertainers because you had this amazing crutch where if you ran out of things to say, you just play the game from in it. And wait for something to happen. And then slowly, I started to realize

that video games were really nothing more than what I was doing with Let's Play was really nothing more than Mystery Science Theater, which is something that I'd always wanted to do as well. Which I was a huge fan of. When I was in the Army, for the first two years I was in the Army, I was dirt broke. I cleared $600 a month, and so I could afford ramen noodles. And so I would come home from work.

I had lunch from 11, 30 to one every day. I could come home. I would make ramen noodles in a little tea kettle that I had, and I would watch Mystery Sounds Theater for about 48 minutes until it was time to go back. I never saw the end of anything, but I got to see most. And that was a really formative time in my life, and just cementing the kind of comedy I identified with.

But over time, the video games kind of became, I said the word earlier in a positive way But I learned to mean it very negatively. They became a crutch to me Yeah, it became I went from a tool to a crutch where then I felt really trapped by gaming and as I as I got more confident Having the conversation and telling stories and and trying to create something Conversationally the video games just kept getting in the way. You know, it kept getting in the way. And it became so frustrating for me to be like, to want to go down a rabbit hole or to talk about a thing and have to keep coming back to the visual element

and coming back to the thing that was, we were all coalesced around. And it really kind of became like an abatross around my neck. And it was, you know, once again partially because of good morning from hell, in those moments that I started to realize that I didn't like, we could break away from the video game and just be entertaining.

Like the video game wasn't the entertaining thing, it was us, or it could be us. And Haunter helped with that. There's Arizona Circle last laugh, like those shows were creating, those broadcast shows were creating, helped a lot too to break out of that. But then, podcasts are when it finally clicked

and when I realized, oh, this is all I've been trying to do was get to this and I didn't know it until episode four of F*** face. When I hit and I went like, oh, this is all I've ever wanted to do. And, God, I just, you know, I don't know that I don't know how long I would have taken me to get there if I had to been for. Yep. Getting the stuff started and finding that avenue.

Yeah, it's where you get traction. So cool. Well, that was great. I guess the last question is, what is Ann Mustann for? A nautical military assault. Okay. And that's the name of the show. Great.

Fantastic. Thank you guys for listening. You can follow us at andmapodcast on Twitter and on Instagram. Stay up to date with what we have going on. And we'll have another supplemental episode, I think, for you next week, another short thing that we just kind of get together on.

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Thank you guys so much. Feel free to ask them again when Gus is around to get his perspective. Yeah, we'll, I mean, I don't know how we can do that with, I mean, there's no problem at all. It's not, yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It won't happen.

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