ANMA - Rules of Communication

Episode Date: January 1, 2024

Good morning, Gus! We check out Talisman Coffee right down the street from the studio and see it's also a BBQ spot. We'll definitely be coming back for that. Listen to Gus and Geoff discuss Gentrification, S.H. Donuts, Trucks, Passive aggressive communication, AP style guide, and Nostalgia for personality. Nice. Store.roosterteeth.com is where you can grab an ANMA shirt and support us and look great. Sponsored by BetterHelp http://betterhelp.com/anma and FIRST http://roosterteeth.com/signup subscribe to support us so we can keep doing this show with you Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, uh, this is episode 69. You really started it there for a second. I couldn't believe that we actually got to it. Good morning, Gus. Hey, how's it going? It's good, dude. You didn't even fucking need different, and the every other episode.

This is not our fucking episode. I don't know what it's talking about. It's just gonna be sex stories. It's gonna be sex. That's what everyone wants. Yeah. Last time we were at 5280 Burger Bar. We talked about Gus' license.

We talked about a burger break in. We talked about a part-time Malaysian restaurant. We talked about people's overall intelligence. And we talked about E3. I think we as cozy kitchen's gonna make it now that we mentioned in my part-time. Oh, see, that was the word we couldn't think of. We got we as the good thing. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, cozy kitchen. God, make it now that we mentioned that we got we got

we got it, but that was all last time. But now this is this time episode 69 of the end of a podcast. We got coffee not too far from the office. I think we actually got coffee from a place that we saw coming back from the last place. It's true. It's 280. I mean, we came back to the office and there was messed up traffic. So we kind of took a back way to come back to the office and we're driving down

Maynard. It does can take back ways when Jeff takes it back. It's all fucking. Yeah, but I called it. I said, look at that traffic. When we play in pool, you have to call our shots first. Just like you guys know in three blocks, I'm going to take a left. You know what? Didn't happen. I didn't look up shocked all of a sudden. And in jerked the steering wheel quickly, left and right, trying to make a decision of what to do. Speaking of which, you did that. Anyway, we stopped the show by-

I know why I do that, because I want you to be involved in my thought process. I want you to feel like you're there. I don't want that. I want you in the moment. We were driving down Maynard, and we drove by Talisman Coffee, and we thought it looked like a cool spot,

so we stopped by there to pick up coffee this morning. And Talisman's like, like I said, just east of the office. In like Maynard, I guess kind of stretches, coffee this morning. And talismans like like I said just east of the office in like Maynor I guess kind of stretches what from like 183 down and it kind of loops around the east side. It's gonna go past one a3 doesn't I don't know because the road continues That's like where the yeah, but no, no, may not it doesn't go past one. Yeah, so I've okay So go from one a three no no it ends at No, you're right. Yeah, it doesn't.

It stops. It goes a little further and then ends there. It converges with another road. Is it the Delco Center right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, back, back further there and everything. Yeah. Then it comes down all the way.

Where does Vayner end in your town? Do you have a Vayner stream? What are you called? And do you call it Vayner? Yeah, it's spelled Vayner by the way, M-A-N-L-R. And so we going over there. That's an area that has seen dramatic change, I think, over the last 10 years. And I feel like it's really accelerating.

And I think this talisman coffee place is part is really pushing that change along even more quickly. Yeah. It's like a cross from a dairy queen. It's a nice dairy queen. Yeah. It's a nice dairy queen. Yeah, it's a nice dairy queen. That is like the dairy queen that we eat at for face jam. That's a mayfield dairy.

Which is a cross from... It's really important to know for some reason. Yeah, you gotta put that dude's face everywhere. Yeah, what? Which is a cross from a small apartment complex that I swear every other time I go to that DQ is cordoned off filled with ambulances and police cars. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think it's vacant now. Ioned off filled with ambulances and police cars. Yeah, absolutely.

I think that I think it's vacant now. I think they're going to demolish that apartment complex. I think that it looks like it's fenced off now. Anyway, and just down the street from there is SH donuts or as Jeff affectionate calls it. Shhh, head donuts. Shhh, head donuts. Shhh, head donuts. Which is the closest, closest donut place to the studio.

It's s dot h donuts. There's a dot on the h. There's not? No, you're another nut. No, I never noticed that. It's s dot h donuts. There's not got on the eight. There's not? No, you ever notice that? I never notice that. It's not h donuts. And I go there because my now wife, Emily,

she lived over in this area really close to our tea for, I don't know, first couple years we dated. And so that was like her donut shop. And so we would go there. It's a good place. I still, I still, when I want collaches, if I'm not too busy in my day, I will drive over here to get the collaches from shithead. Just because I like this piece, they're so, so, so, so nice.

So nice. The, the lady and, and man that run the place. They're just the nicest. I think, uh, here in, you know, we're, we're recording in studio today. There was no, the talisman coffee had a lot of tables and seats, but it was very quiet in there. And I felt like we would be recording a podcast in the library.

Or inside, no shot. If they had a backyard or something cool, that is. That it is said. Yeah. It would have been the best smelling podcast we've had. I guess it's like a barbecue place too. So in a numb, mum, mum, mum, and then they have a so they have like Jewish deli

Barbecue yeah, they're like multiple yeah, lots of all suit. They have me hop a straw me But they also have brisket and turkey and everything else you just know that talisman coffee is within this place and You don't smell coffee anywhere. No, no, no. It only smells like barbecue. That is how strong the barbecue smell is.

That there is no coffee smell at the coffee shop. It was a phenomenally good smell. And I never heard of that place. It smelled so good. So we need to check it out because whenever there's a new barbecue shop that opens up, there's like a 50% chance it'll be gone in three weeks or a 50% chance it'll be, there'll be a line out down the block within three weeks.

And so when you find a place that's not too busy yet, you got to sneak in there and taste it to find out if it's going to be, which one it's going to be before you never allow to go back in. One way or another, it's just not going to happen. But that whole area, that stretch of the mainer, I think from, probably from airport out to 183, I feel like people would come in by and flip houses and then list them for way more,

trying to get out of state people or out of town people to buy them side unseen. Yes. And I feel like that happened for the last 10 years or so. And enough people bought those houses to where now, talisman coffee is sitting over there. Yes, I absolutely agree. And yeah, now that's like this acceleration.

Like if you, you know, we talk a lot in Austin happened this very hot topic, you know, gentrification. That is like, ground zero, it has been ground zero for it for a little while. I, I, yeah, no, I think that's definitely ground zero. I think you're dead on with that, yeah. It's, it's wild over there. Yeah, it's funny.

I would drive down a, that stretcher, a mainer and I, you know, for a few years ago, you know, I would see those for sale signs and I would look it up on, you know, whatever, like a home buying app. And be like, man, that is a lot of money for that house. And, you know, within, you know, I would see those for sales signs and I would look it up on, you know, whatever, like a home buying app and be like, man, that is a lot of money for that house. And you know, within, you know, when the market was hot, you know, within a week or two, it would be like pending. I would be wary of all the new house construction that was built in Austin from like 2017 to 2022.

It was just so much going up so fast. And there was, uh, there was this huge run on building supplies for a couple of years, what became really hard to get, like two by fours and stuff in Austin because there's so much construction that a lot of corners got cut, a lot of corners get cut anyway. But I think even more so, I think there's going to be a lot of people in like eight to ten years that are going to start having some real odd problems with our new homes. I think there was a scare of that. I in like eight to 10 years that are gonna start having some real odd problems with their new homes. I think there was a scare of that. I don't remember, it's been a while now, maybe 10 years ago now,

where there was like counterfeit drywall. I would not maybe counterfeits the wrong word, but like drywall that wasn't up to code, it wasn't up to standards. Like it wasn't sheetrock, it was something else that was pressed to be. To look like drywall. I remember this and it was like,

it just didn't have like the same, not like you're leaning on your drywall for like structural integrity, but it didn't have like the same. Like it would get brittle. Yeah, like really, really brittle, really, really fast and just start falling apart. Wow.

Yeah, it was really weird. I mean, it's just, I guess it's by virtue of, someone's got to make this house and they don't care where this stuff is coming from and just get it. We, you know, we moved into the Rafaul Bonato office. There was a delay in that renovation because the air conditioners we had ordered were stuck in Mexico.

I don't know if you remember this, Jeff, because I guess the factory was down there and they were put onto a truck to come up to Austin to be, you know, installed in our studio, but the bridge that the truck needed to drive over got washed out. So the truck was stuck on the other side of the river, on the other side of A river, not the international river. In Mexico, it was stuck on the other side of a river and they had to figure out how to get these air conditioners across the river.

So delayed everything by a couple of weeks. How unfortunate is it that only a mere 11 years later, I'd be a snow runner pro. And I could have gotten there. I could have gotten there. I was telling Eric before you showed up the Gus last night, we had to go up into the Amandra, which is of Northeast Russia. Why is it always Russia, by the way? Because it's made by Russian developers.

A lot of Russia, a lot of Ukraine. I mean, there's other places that's the Ukraine. There's a lot of Ukraine, but you really do some crazy shit in there, man. It's not like the Ukraine. The first map of the game is Michigan. Small, though. Oh, okay. There's a lot of places.

A lot of Canada. Did you buy the support the war deal, see? You got a big Z on the side of your truck. Dude, it's funny. There are some Russian maps and Ukraine.K. maps and certain vehicles are no longer allowed to be used in certain maps. I guess licensing has gone away, so you can't use certain Russian maps or certain Russian vehicles on other maps because I guess we're probably

some sort of a side effect of what's going on in Russia and the U.K. You're going to keep the politics out of my truck game. I know, right? Anyway, we had to pull this, we had to pull this old World War Two ship, a plane that had busted up, and it followed into a frozen lake. We had to rescue that,

and we did it in four hours. If I can do that in four hours, I could have got our air conditioners known. What do you mean you had to rescue it? Did you have to actually like take it out of the lake and load it onto a truck, or do you just drop the truck? Yeah, so it broke up into three pieces.

One piece fell into the lake. So I had to and load it onto a truck or do you just drive the truck? Yeah, so it broke up into three pieces. One piece fell into the lake. Okay. So we had to go out there with a truck with a heavy crane and a long flatbed, double wide flatbed, and then pull it out of the ocean with the crane, pack it on the back of the flatbed and drive it out. But it's fucking Siberia, dude. When you say, you're on frozen ice and climbing mountain,

this is very difficult. And then it broke into three pieces. So there was the piece of the, that was the fuselage. The wing is hanging on the side of the mountain. So you got a scale up to the top of the mountain to get it. And then there was another piece that was just on, across the lake.

Whenever you kept saying trucks, I just imagined like cargo vehicles. I didn't think of like trucks with cranes and like other accessories on that you use. Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I thought it was like, in my mind, you drive a truck to a lake and then you use your mouse to like click on the plane and then it's in your truck.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Here, I actually have a photo, let me show you. I got stuck last night in a funny way. Can't wait, I can't wait to laugh. He loves trucks. Trucks, I hear about trucks all the time. Do you think, do you think, I mean, just based on everything he just described that he could have gotten your air conditioners?

It sounds like it. Sounds like he would have come up with the thing. Here's me pulling the fuselage out, and you can see my truck has T-bone. That's my nickname, by the way. And he got a ram scoop. The back of my truck and the top of my flatbed are in the lake right in front of the plane.

So I had to figure out how to get myself out of the water. Is that it? What is that? So that's just front of my truck. That's why I see. That's where it's connected. It's buried in the open of frozen ice, and that's the piece of fuselage.

I'm trying to rescue. That's a big piece. That's a big piece. That fuselage fit on that bed. That took me, yeah, eventually. Eventually, I couldn't get it to pack on the bed where like straps and stuff. So I was just able to lay it on the bed. And then I had to very carefully turn that motherfucker around and drive it back up and out. And then once I got

it up on flat land, I was eventually able to pack it. So now that you have some, what bear, by the way, you're took a picture of a picture. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's some boomer shit. No, no, to me, it's important, it's telling the story of, he wasn't just showing us a picture, he was pointing at parts of it. So that way we could see where his view so large was, that is how it was given to us.

So now that you're a truck expert, do you get mad when you see trucks and TV shows and movies, like the King of the Hill episode where Hank Hill has to drive the 18-wheeler with his mom stuff in it, or you're like, that would never have worked. Like when they had to go backwards down the mountain to like jumpstart the truck and put carousine in it.

Great episode. Great episode. No, but what I do, every time I see something, I think I can do that. I can do that. I watch I show a truck or something like that. It's the thing where the stuff I saw online a lot, like a few months ago or whatever was like,

having women ask their boyfriends or husbands, like do you months ago or whatever, was like having women ask their boyfriend's or her husband's like, do you think you could land a plane? Yeah. And it's like, I don't know about ice road trucking or whatever, could I do it? It would be incredibly difficult, but I think going like real slow, I could do it. Could I land a plane?

I could definitely land a plane. I don't know why I feel like I could definitely land a plane, but the truck is a little out of my scope, but it is. Because I know the shifting is really gonna be, you got like 18 gears on that summit. Same first. See the thing about the plane, put it in law and just give it.

The thing about the plane is you just have to go slow and then down. With the truck, you don't know where you're set. These are the way you're going to land. The way you can flip, the ground is not flat. The nice thing about, if you're landing in a proper airport, I assume you got a flat runway.

I've the only time I have flat land to drive on in trucks is when I'm driving over frozen ice, beg praying that it doesn't crack. That doesn't ever crack, Danny, you falling in? Oh yeah. What was happening there? Oh, that's, oh, I meant like, like 40% of my truck was in the fucking,

do you die in the game? No, no, you just have to recover back to the, get like another bigger truck with another crane to get your truck out. When, if you fuck your truck up an hour and a half into a mission and you have to recover, your soul dies. It's, cause you're like, oh, that's another hour and a half back out to where I was. a mission and you have to recover your soul dies. It's because you're like, oh, that's another hour and a half back out to where I was.

Just keeps describing this as fun. And I don't. It's so much fun. Listen, look at me, dude. Look at me. Look at me. I'm screaming at you. Look at me.

I started. We started a fun company where all people do is have fun all day long. We're the purveyors of fun. Gus and I are the epitome where the purveyors of fun Gus and I are the epitome the figures of fun Gus and I are are are are the like literal manifestations of the boys who never grew up right he's tinkerbell and I'm the other one and what's his name is tinkerbell a boy that didn't grow up Peter Pan Peter Pan I'm a penny stater bell you're a tinker tinker tinker peter pants best friend t tanker. Peter Pan's best friend.

You're Peter Pan's best friend. You're Peter Pan's best friend. I'm the supporting character in this. You're the second antagonist. That's the Grinch and you're the second antagonist. His dog. Here's the deal. You are the sidekick in my story.

Just like I'm the sidekick in your story. That's how that works. I'm telling my story. Now here's Edsel. You're the Batman for my raw dude. 21 years. That's right. I'm the sidekick in your story, that's how that works. I'm telling my story, not ears. And so, I'm going to be a part of it. You're the bad man for my raw dudes. 21 years, that's right. 21 years of making fun, I'm an expert in how to have fun.

So if I'm saying trucks is the most fun, it's gotta be. I would argue you're an expert in pretending to have fun. Hi, that's me. Well, there you have it. I do that too. I do that too. I do that too. Yeah. So you can have it as you make a Digimon reference

around it. It's a really hot and red classic. Fucking god. Oh man. Anyway, it's real fun. Okay, I'll take your word for it because I'm not trying it. It's so much fun.

Wait, you'll play this on Xbox, right? Yeah. Okay. It's on PC though. It just, it seems so stressful. It's not. I mean, there's some tight butthole moments, but then if something goes wrong, you just laugh about it.

It's fucking hilarious. You just said it was super stressful and then you're soldied. It's stressful, but. You said you're soldies and you laugh about it. He said sucks when you didn't have it both ways. Yeah, he said that it was. Yeah, I have it both ways every night. He said that it's like four hour. He's like starting at 10

He ends it two in the morning, and he's like a four hour mission where we're getting these parts and it's just like Uh, and then there's one guy on the team, and he's just like oh, I kept driving off the cliff and fucking up or whatever Two and a half hours in nobody better be fucking up. No, he better be doing it 12 30 a.m Did he used to have a fucking neck game that had you got a console this tall We had to push 87. Yeah, I was 22 right and now he flies a plane Get get inside it's the same thing and he has You a total crap Offie into a different hobby, but more active.

But that doesn't sound fun to me, but clearly it's fun. And I trust Gus that it's fun. Oh, I don't think it's fun, and I think he has engineer brain, and it's not fun at all. It's checking levels and knobs. I, I would agree with that. I definitely don't have engineer brain.

Yeah, me. I have hit baseball's Alabama dumb brain. So hit baseball's Alabama dumb brain. So hit baseball's Alabama dumb brain tells you something. It's fun. It's fun on a really dumb core basic. Like, baby didn't graduate high school level. He's got a great point here. I don't think I can argue with him anymore.

Yeah. Oh, that's great. Fuck. Fair enough. Wow. So we're, you know, we're pre-taping this obviously. We're still in 2023. This episode comes out like middle of January I think.

This will come out like the second, yeah, second week for second week in January. Damn, we're fucking, we're, we're just trying, just trying to be great. No, it's great, it's great. So this is the last episode we'll record this year. Yeah, I believe so. Cause I'm around after the 27th. Okay, maybe we'll record this year. Yeah, I believe so. Because I'm around after the 27th.

Okay, maybe we'll see what I have to do. No, but if we can go get lunch and make something out of it, then we can do it out here. Yeah, why not? We'll see. Uh, no. No, I want to. Yeah, from him.

I know, I know. We're in the middle of a recording. I'm going to bring my calendar out right now. You don't have to look at your calendar. You just be like, I can't. Yeah, let's do it, dude. I didn't sense it. Eric texted us yesterday to set up the coffee place for today. Doing this producing. Thank

you, Eric. I really do appreciate it. Yeah, we do appreciate it. And he sent the text and I was watching that reality show on Netflix. So that was playing on TV. I couldn't get to my phone right away. So like, when the episode ended, I finally went and looked at my phone and I was like, great. And then I think,

half an hour later. I responded immediately. I mean, not even, not even a minute later. Normally I respond immediately, but this show I'm watching, it's subtitled. So I can't look away, right? Like I have to like be fully engaged with it. I haven't thought about it.

You're right. Yeah, okay. And he can't pause. Right. Well, I'm not gonna pause. He's not gonna, Esther's watching. I'm not like you, Jeff. I don't walk into other customers at a coffee shop

because I'm looking down at something. What? I was back in, they fucking back. No, dude. No, no, no, no. Those dudes, those dudes, those dudes were like, when they turned around and walked right into the door. Those dudes, it's like when a deer, when you see a deer in the road and it starts running away from you

on the road and you're like I'm gonna still hit you turn left or right those dudes were doing the same fucking right they were standing there first you know I was standing there first they weren't even in the room you move they were standing you turned around and walked right into them it was really impressive how of all the directions you could have gone, you went the exact way that was just into both of them. Cause they moved into that direction. They watched that happen.

Anyway, the episode finally ended, I could distract my attention, I responded great. And I think Eric just replied like, I think you're mad at me. It took too long for you to respond, so I think you're mad at me. And Jeff immediately, yeah, I read that great is pretty hard sarcasm honestly. I think you're mad at me. It took too long for you to respond. So I think you're mad at me and Jeff Immediately, yeah, I read that great as pretty hard sarcasm honestly. I just

Well, I gave the thumbs up the thumbs up reaction onto that. I think you're mad at me Which is like one of the most passive aggressive things you can do so funny It made me laugh out loud It's a great text. It's funny how different communication mediums have different rules of engagement, right? Okay. Like, I think it's generally agreed that those reactions like that without any text,

that's like a conversation avoidor or a conversation enter, right? Yeah. There's, I get in trouble if I thumbs up my voice. Right. If you're gonna thumbs up something or you have to also, which to me, I'm like cool. Yeah. Like when I thumbs up something, it is genuinely a thumbs up my horse. Right. If you're gonna thumbs up something or you have to also... Which to me, I'm like cool. Yeah.

Like when I thumbs up something, it is genuinely a thumbs up. Yeah, cool. World. I'm with you. You and I are old. Yeah. The other thing that people find like passive aggressive, I learned this hard way again because I'm old is like putting a period at the end of words or at the end of sentences.

I get in trouble when I use punctuation. I get in trouble. What do you matter about? I got in trouble as a kid for not using punctuation. I know, dude. So it's ingrained in me. To this day, when I type, if I don't use proper punctuation or grammar, I think, at the back of my head, my mom is yelling at me.

We have gone around the world, like we're old enough to where we've been online for so long that the rules of communication have gone in the complete other direction, because what everyone used to hammer everyone, any typo or spelling mistake or punctuation fuck up or whatever, and you're in an argument, blood water. And you're not. Actually, according to the AP style, you're right.

It really just get them. And now it is like, you better type in all lower case, and no punctuation. If you type ha ha, you better be ready to fix that friendship. Yeah. It's just different. It's just a different style of communication.

And it's, yeah, you have to be, I'm mindful of the thumbs up at work because to me it is that conversation under whatever. But also I think some people think it is like, it is like that hard stamp of like passive aggressiveness or like a fuck you or whatever. And I'm just going, well yeah, I don't want to continue this conversation.

So this is over. There you go. It's my out. I mean, that to continue this conversation. So this is over. There you go. It's my out. I mean, that's why it's there. Yes, that's what you think. Yeah. Has anybody ever given you a thumbs up in the real world and you went, you motherfucker?

Like maybe on a very rare occasion. Just driving. It is like when you fuck up and they go, yeah, thumbs up. Thumbs up. And then you just go, I'll kill you, I'll kill you. Yeah. You know, I'm deep in uncharted territory with the Simpsons.

I'm in season 29 currently. What year did season 29 come in? I believe it's 20, the episodes I'm watching right now, I believe are mid-2017. Okay. And there's a joke that Flanders makes in an episode I just saw the other day where, you know, he's at the fence in his backyard and Homer's on the other side and Homer does something to make Flanders angry and Rod and Todd are out there and Flanders tells his kids,

cover your eyes, boys. I'm gonna give Mr. Simpson the Flanders finger a thumbs up with no friendly wink. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. And that's, I feel like that's very much in line with that same kind of reaction when you're texting someone. You know, it's really helped me with work is not using a thumbs up to respond to stuff,

but picking a different emoji that I use all the time and it's cat with sunglasses and I just respond to when I wanted to be a conversation under I just send cat with sunglasses as like a response to like their thing. Can't be mad, it's not a thumbs up. I'm not being passive aggressive. I put that into it. It is there's there's there's it's the conversation

under or whatever, but it is not what it can be interpreted as like a oh well fuck this guy. It's cat with sunglasses. Yeah. How can you be mad at co-song? No, you got it. You have to pick what I actually taught Jillian who was on Redweb. She started doing the same thing with a cat that is called Herglit, and it looks like a little freak. And she's just like, I respond with that all the time. I don't know how to do it. Fucking great.

It's great. That's what you have to pick something like that, and don't use punctuation. Start writing. Start writing you are right in the lead speak, like Megatokio, and get what? And then get crazy crazy and you're good You're you're learning all your communication skills from admaw here

That's what this podcast is for wins the last time you you said something that that may be curious Jeff Do you still own an ap style guide wins the last time you opened and looked at an ap style guide And do you think anyone listening to this podcast knows what an ap style guide is I Well first off an ap style guide. It's, well, first off, an AP style guide. It's AP stands for the Associated Press. The Associated Press is a media outlet, and they historically published their style guide. I think there's probably a Reuters style guide. There might be an AFP style guide.

I don't know. There's probably a New York Times style guide, but the Associated Press one became kind of the industry standard in journalism, at least when I was a journalist. And so I do, I believe, still have my AP style guide from 1994. I'm going to assume it's updated since then, but I think I have it. I'll look for it. No thumbs-ups, that's in the new update of the style guide. I think that's around the same time,

the last time I bought a style guide. I believe I have one from, I wanna say 95, maybe not 94, because it was like making that transition from high school to college, like writing letters and all of that stuff. It was important back then, because it was like, it would tell you how what the proper formatting for typing things out was like it would you know, it would tell you how you know what the proper formatting for

Typing things out like sentences send structure if you're gonna bowl something or how many like what at what at like how what number Do you stop writing the number out and truncate it to the to the to the numerical one? Yeah, well anything over 10. I think you was I thought it was 100 I think one through nine you ride out and then you just hit him with a well If you were if he was wearing glasses, he'd be pushing those up real hard right now Um, so like for just to try to explain to people what was in that book and as a journalist It was like my Bible like I kept it with me and I used it even I was a journalist for five years. I probably used it a Daily for the first three years. I feel like, I don't know if they ever,

I only got that one one time, the AP Style Guide. And I remember that fucking cover of that book so well. It was like all gray and had like a vertical rainbow stripe on the left side near the spine, going from the top down to the bottom. Did you have a spine? Mine was spiral bound. Oh, mine was, and it was blue.

I was an enthusiast. I wasn't a professional style guide user. I didn't have the spine. Mine was spiral bounds. Oh, mine was blue. I was a I was an enthusiast. I was an professional style guy. I didn't have the spot. They issued me when the army. They're like, here's your style guy. I assume they they know you're gonna open them close that one a lot more. Yeah, probably. They're on the 35th edition and it is still spiral bound. Oh, the one I had. I feel like the one I had was not spiral. Can I see had one, but can I see one? Are you looking at them right now? I was, yeah, I'll pick it back up.

Thank you so much. I'm just curious. There was that book, there were two books that I was issued in journalism school that were just invaluable. There was that one, and there was a book called the Photographer's Guide to Photojournalism. There you go, it's like purple now.

The classic. Let me see it. The classic practical. Yeah, mine looks not too dissimilar from that but but blue and no circle the the thing that they have now is I mean you can get they still manufacture and Sell the spiral bound edition but the AP style book online is the thing they're really pushing like you get it online They also have oh is it a subscription now you pay and then every year the update automatically

So there's a subscription on the spiral brand print where if you buy it you can check a box and then save 20% for when they print the next one. They also have online AP style checking tools to put into word or outlook or whatever. So it does all the That's great. It does the checking for you. Could you imagine having that when you were doing that? No, I did that shit with a typewriter. Dude, It does the checking for you. Fucking smart. Could you imagine having that when you were doing that? No. I did that shit with a typewriter. Dude, what an hell. You wanted to help.

You wanted to help. I was thinking about this the other day. So when I was in the army, I learned digital photography because the army switched to digital photography in 1996 about early adopters. Yeah, our digital cameras were actually Nikon F4 cameras, which was the fuck, there were two cameras you wanted. You wanted at the time you wanted a Canon F100,

Canon F1, whatever it was, or a Nikon F4. And the Nikon F4 was just like a fucking beast. It was what I would take to co-weight with me all the time because it was really sturdy. And you would, Kodak made this back called a DCS, I don't know, 400 or something, and you would put thatodak made this back called a DCS, I don't know, 400 or something, and you would put that back onto the existing

not gonna for and turn it into a digital camera. So it was like a camera body that you put a digital back on. A digital back on, right? And those were the first digital cameras that we would have in the army. That digital back was like 16 grand. Damn, and I bet.

At the time, it was like Super low resolution compared to it was good Not compared to what we have now, but it was good enough the journalism and stuff like it was still pretty high res Like I it might have been full frame. I don't remember it was so long ago But I I was so old that when I went through journalism school We learned how to lay out and design newspapers They were still teaching the way manual so you So you didn't use computers to lay out newspapers. You would write your article or whatever, and you would print it out,

and then you would run it through this machine that would wax it. And then you would cut it, and then you had this giant board with all of the different elements, like your headline, your mast head, photos, photo credits, and you would physically lay them out on the, on the fucking,

on the giant board and get everything with a ruler, get everything like, Pike of Perfect. And then, uh, and then you would turn that sheet in to the printer. And then they would make the newspaper off of that. And that's how I learned journalism. So, so when you, about a year after I learned that, I started doing it. And they were like, why did they teach you that? We use computers now. Uh, and it was, it was wild. But I was like one of the last groups that learned that, I started doing it and they were like, why did they teach you that? We used computers now. And it was wild, but I was like one of the last groups that learned that old ass way.

So when you printed it out, you printed like one column with, is that what you're saying? And you're like, however you wanted, how do you arrange those columns? Yeah, it would be however you'd want to print it. If you wanted to print out three columns with you could, but it was like this giant printer and then it would go through this huge machine

that was like a double roller, just like this. And it would just go through and then it would just pick up an amount of wax that made it flat and stick down and then you could move it around and stuff. It was fucking cool. It was also very old and very manual and a lot of like just staring over with like a ruler trying to figure out how to get stuff perfect and then like I don't know they flushed all of that probably the class after the class I went through the army. It was one of the very last people

who learned it that way. I mean, isn't that crazy though, that like, and I was in the 90s, by the way, that's how they made newspapers in the 90s. I was gonna say, like, that's a long time ago in terms of a regular person's lifespan. In terms of how long we've had a printing press and like the ability to create these kinds of things,

you would never have anyone doing that kind of thing unless it was a super specialized thing now, just because of computers and that's within 40 years. Yeah, I want my use papers, artisanal hand made. Oh, you love it. I'm sure somewhere in Austin, you can get that. It was fucking artisanal for sure, man. It was a whole different world back then. That was definitely an art to it. That's crazy. You put the art in artisanal. Mm-hmm.

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It's a great deal. Help kick off the new year. What's your first year off of your first year off? Do you miss that? Like having like the hands-on of that kind of thing? Or is it more of a looking back what an experience, but if I had to do it again, I think I'd jump out of window.

I don't miss it because I got to fuck around with it enough throughout my career. Like I did that for five years and I was burned out by the time I did it. I got, you know, the last, not the last year I was in the army, but before my second to last job in the army, I was the, it was perfect for me. I was the entertainment section editor

of the Fort Hood Sentinel, which is the largest newspaper in the military. Next to the Army Times, which is a weekly, it's the largest, which is, it was the, I don't know. It was the very largest newspaper of the time. I don't remember exactly how it breaks down, but it's one of the largest newspapers in the army. Circulation was like 80,000.

And so I was the entertainment section editor for that. And so for like two years, all I did, I was a one-man operation for that. Everybody had their own section. And so I would go to Austin and take photos and write stories about visiting the Capitol or go into chicken chip bingo or whatever it was. And then I would manually lay out the newspaper myself

and do all of that. And I got really good at it. And I really loved it. It was very creative and artistic. What's the focus on things that were drivable and things that presumably people at the base could do in a weekend? In a weekend.

I don't think there were ever any guidelines necessarily, but I kept it within like two hours. So it's like, I would do a lot of motorcycle rallies, honestly, a lot of shit that soldiers were into. A lot of stuff up in Waco. I spent more time in Waco than Austin, because it was a little bit closer. And a lot of soldiers lived in Waco

and would commute into a clean. Would you ever go to Dallas? I feel like San Antonio a few times, but mostly not no further than that It was a lot of like go to the topsy animal ranch in topsy Texas or go up to Gatesville and do an article on the A drive in theater they have up there or you know that kind of shit But I got really good at it and and really, and I really did enjoy it. And so years later, when we did Artie Comics, I decided to publish a book.

We made five volumes of it, five Artie Comics. And Luke McKay was the artist, and then my ex-wife was the author, she wrote it. But I created the first three books. And so I got to use all my layout and design skills, and Adobe InDesign, and redo it. And then they took over after that and made the rest of them. And so I got to circle back and do it again just enough to enjoy it and get a taste of it. And then when we came back around to do the face book, not to hear.

Exactly what I was going to ask about. I told Tony I was like, I'm going to lay it out. I'm going to do the whole thing. I got this. Don't worry about it. And then after about three months of Tony going, Hey man, we really got to get going on this book. I went, okay, you do it. I don't want anything to do with it. I'll write this stuff. And so I wrote everything for the, I wrote most of the recipes, but I wrote all of the jokes and all of the, there's a lot of text in the book actually. And then he did all of the layout. And I realized in 2023 that I have no desire to do that anymore. In design still exist?

I think so. Yeah, it's an Adobe product. It used to be Aldous PageMaker. Oh, yeah. Then Adobe bought Aldous and then merged PageMaker and InDesign and then it became InDesign. I believe that's how that went. Luckily Adobe's, so like their standard of quality is so high that what great software they're putting out year after year. Thank you so much. Thank you Adobe for becoming a subscription model. Yeah, keep it up. Thank you so much.

I will say the subscription model, fucking sucks. But the one bright spot is I always felt like trying to buy creative suite was so prohibitively expensive. Yeah. You know, it was like $1,300 or whatever the fuck it was. It was like, or I could pay him $20 a month forever. Yeah, I guess. I just don't think that like,

I don't know that I owned a legal copy until I worked here. Mm. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's sort of like the way that that really operates. Well, and that really, I don't, you know, now with the subscription that really clamps down on policy. And I think that's just online.

That's constantly. That's the only reason. To me, that's the only reason that they went to the subscription and all they went, oh, we figured out how to make sure these kids don't have to swap a DVD around with that and a final draft. So, get them. School kids, get them.

Yeah, don't do it wrong. I'm not saying they did it for all true is to reasons to make the software more accessible. Now, there's definitely something on the back in for them too. Plus, I mean, God, that stuff was so fucking expensive. It was like a $1,000 to buy Photoshop back in the day. Yeah, I remember like, I had it when I was younger, but I would ask, like, you teased to,

and so you teased to get it at a discount, at the store here. You have like 50 bucks, and so you teased in the, yeah, and I'd be like, hey, can you, you know, if I give you 50 bucks, can you go buy me a copy of Photoshop like, hey, can you, you know, if I give you 50 bucks, can you go buy me a copy of Photoshop or whatever the fuck I needed, you know, and it was, it was still a lot of money back then, but at least it wasn't 600 or $1,000 or whatever the fuck it cost

normally. Yep. I don't mind the subscription service at all when Rooster Teeth pays for my subscription. Exactly what I was going to say. All I have to do is like every once in a while, I'll have to do some sort of slow ass update when I try to open Photoshop that I don't understand, but I was gonna say. All I have to do is like every once in a while, I'll have to do some sort of slow ass update when I try to open Photoshop that I don't understand, but I just feel guilty. I feel like I should be using the software more.

Oh, I use Photoshop and audition more than anything else in my professional career. I record every podcast through Adobe audition because Audacity didn't work with my version of Mac for a long time. I think it's still my not. I just got used to using audition and became happy with it again.

And then, yeah, I don't ever do video editing anymore. I feel weird about that, but I also don't miss it. No, I hate video editing. When I have to do something, we upload a lot of our own stuff or whatever, and when I have to edit something, it is pulling teeth to get me right there, I just do it. I normally don't either anymore, but who is it?

A couple months ago, maybe earlier this year, it's at one point, Chris Demeris was working on a project and he could not, he sits right next to me, we're in our office, he could not get multi-cam editing tour. And I was like, step aside Chris, this is the one thing I remember in Premiere. Let me set up this project for you.

I actually like, I use, let me show you these shortcuts I can't forget. I use Photoshop more than anything probably because I do all the f*** face thumbnails now, you know, I've been doing this for a while. And I actually look forward to it every week. I'm excited to, it's so much fun to do that. It's always exciting to see what you pick for the thumbnail.

It's not always, well, it's a marriage of what makes a good image and what was a funny moment from the show. So it's not always the funniest or the best image, even sometimes it's just like what I can make work, but I really enjoy doing it. Sometimes they're bangers. It's like a little puzzle. It is great. We're just about 40 minutes in, well, nearing 40 minutes. And we should talk about talisman a little bit. So talismans a small coffee shop within this mum foods place. Kind of like, I kind of has an all gimmicks vibe. Very much. And walk into the right. There's like a little, a tiny little area where you can get coffee and clearly in a much larger space that's used for something else. All of the benches and tables in there look like they're from an old coffee shop.

They are just like these old benches that, I don't know, it just looks interesting. And so what I knew Talisman for was at the farmers market in the Mueller area, they were the only place that sold coffee. Which funny is, before I came in to get you guys, I put talisman in the GPS in my card, it tried to take me over to Mueller and it was like,

Talisman will be closed when you get there, what? That's the spot that they set up for the farmers market. They're inside, you know where Kirby Lane is and they have like the big, I don't even know what that is. I think it is the open air facility. Yeah, I don't know what that is, but that's part of the farmer's market.

They're in there and the line is huge to get the coffee, and that's where I knew talisman from. I've had that, I've had this coffee five or six times. Just go to the farmer's market and kind of like hop in around, and you're like, I will get, it gets really busy there on Aldrich Street with the farmer's market. It's awesome, it's crazy.

You gotta go early, get a couple of tamales and a cup of coffee and walk around and pet a dog. It's great. They'll go in July or August couple of tamales and then a cup of coffee and walk around and pet a dog. It's great. Don't go in July or August. Brutal. Sucks, so bad. Brutal brutal.

But that's what I always knew it from. And then I heard that they were opening a spot but hadn't seen where it was opening. We drove by it and it's like, oh fuck. You got a cool logo. They have a cool, it's like this sloth thing and he's very cool and they have a great, I took a picture of it.

They have like this mural, like airbrushed on like the, I took a picture of it, they have this mural, like airbrushed on the outside, Jeff touched all of it and then, this is a cardigan in that house, I went, I'll have to have a break. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cork in, meal fun. So that's sort of like the vibe that this place has.

It feels very, be really honest, feels very gentrifying for that area. Yeah. Across from the Mayfield Dairy Queen next to, what's the market? Like, it used to be a lot of meat chocana. I don't know what it is now. Yeah, like an pasta.

So, have you ever been to a la canasta? Is it different? It's a chain, I would assume, right? I don't know, I do. Okay. It's more of a JD market guy. So, there's like a bunch of Mercados and sort of corner stores and everything.

Just an area where you wouldn't expect something like this, but now it's there and you see that it's like, oh, they are the first to me in that fit. Like that's gonna be the thing that is gonna get other stuff in around there if it can last. Yeah. I got the regular drip coffee,

guess got the Americano. I got the Americano. And Jeff got the cold brew. Jeff's cold brew was... It was an interesting color. It settled to a global color. Was it just like bubbles or something? I guess so.

It was maybe on my trail. Yeah. Yeah. But what did you guys think of the coffee? This was not my favorite cup of coffee with the Americano. I just wasn't digging it. I don't know if it's me. Maybe kind of burned.

I don't know. It just didn't taste right. I can't quite put my finger on it. It's not again, not at the level of that place down south. Whose name I can't remember, but definitely not. It's on par with what's that place we went to in Naushenbevy? Dog day. Yeah, it's about on par with dog day. What do I give that like a six and a half? Six somewhere. It's somewhere on there. What do you think of your culprits?

My culprits was good. It was different. It tasted a little unique. I don't know why or how. My cup was good. It was different. Tastes a little unique. I don't know why or how. But I would give it a 8.1. Ooh, interesting. I liked it. I would drink it again.

Yeah, I would give this coffee probably an 8. This is, I've had it a few times. So I knew what I was getting. I suspected I knew what I was getting. And it is exactly what I thought it was. It's a little bit of a darker roast than I typically like. There's not like a sourness or like a fruitiness to it. It is very, almost chocolatey without being,

when I drink like really dark roast coffee, like you know, like an Italian roast or like a French roast kind of coffee, it gives me almost like a headache. I don't like the taste and it's just very, it's almost like acrid. This walks that line where you're like, oh, is it gonna, and it doesn't?

Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. That's why I think that's what I was getting at, is it's not, you expect it to be at, like it promises acrid and then doesn't go the other way. Yeah, it's good way. I've threatened that. It delivered it over here. I got the shipment you guys missed.

It's definitely, and I think talisman like leans on this, which is a darker roast coffee. Okay, when you get in a coffee, you kind of pick your favorites and you find the things that you like. And I love a light, light, light, light roast. I want something where like the bean just cracked, I want it to be grassy, I want it to be fruity and sour. I like those notes.

This isn't typically a cup of coffee that I wouldn't make this at home. There's a reason I haven't bought the beans from talisman to make it home because I know I wouldn't enjoy it at home. But when I'm out and I get this, I think it's a fine cup of coffee and I do enjoy what they're doing there.

I got a new coffee maker a few months ago, and I've been really... Yeah, we talked about this all day, right? Yeah, I've been enjoying making coffee at home quite a bit. So I drink way more coffee now in the morning than I used to, and it's funny, there's like so many different options you can get with a coffee maker, like so many fancy things

you can get into it. All I wanted was a coffee maker with a timer, so I could like put my coffee in it the night before, sit the timer for when my alarm goes off, I wake up, smell coffee, go to my kitchen, and the coffee's ready, and just pour it. And it's been like, just that simple, that's all I need. Like you can buy a fucking coffee maker with Wi-Fi

or an app or all that shit, I don't want that. Right. Dude, I don't need any of that stuff. My refrigerator can connect to Wi-Fi? Why? Or a washing machine. Buy a coffee maker that doesn't connect to Wi-Fi. Yeah. Like, you know, I had a renovation done several years ago

and my place had to buy a new oven and they were like, there was like one I wanted and then there was like another one that was very comparable, it was like a few hundred dollars more. I was like, what's the difference? And they were like, oh, this one, the cost more has Wi-Fi. So you can turn it on from an app. Like, why the fuck would I ever want to turn on my oven

from an app? Well, honey, we're driving home, get the oven started. That sounds like a fucking nightmare to me. My dickhead fridge is Wi-Fi capable as well. I had to, but it didn't ship with the little Wi-Fi, I don't know, antenna or whatever it is, like a little module. And so they had to ship it to me and I had to install it. And then I did and I thought, why didn't I do that? I never, never gonna use this. And then I haven't even, since that day,

I haven't even thought about it till this moment. Yeah, turn it on. What the fuck I would use Wi-Fi on my project? I'm plugged for. That's so fucking dope. You don't have a screen on your fridge, right? No. I don't, I was, I think it's a like,

changed temperature or something. So there's Wi-Fi in my fridge too. And I connected it because I thought like you, you could change temperature or something. What do you do with it? You could put it in vacation mode from the Wi-Fi in my fridge too. And I connected it because I thought like you, you could change temperature or something. What do you do with it? You can put it in vacation mode from the Wi-Fi. And you know what vacation mode is? It turns the fridge off.

Why would you ever? Right, I was like, why would anyone want this? It's like, the only reason I could think of doing it is if you're like, it's in a home, you don't spend very much time. We're like, I'm gonna be gone for months. If you're a flight attendant. Right, I'm gonna be gone for a month. If you're a flight attendant. Right, I'm gonna be gone for a couple of months.

I'm gonna throw everything in my fridge away. Leave it empty and turn it off. You know what you don't want? A musty fridge that's sat, clothes, off. Like you're gonna gotta walk home to a really terrible smell. Yeah, health smell. So yeah, I, even if it's empty, it's just gonna smell gross.

I just disabled the wifi on my fridge. There's no point. I don't fucking want that. I would only do even if it's empty, it's just going to smell gross. I just disabled the Wi-Fi on my fridge. There's no point. I don't fucking want that. I would only do it if I had a screen on I'm so I was so anti screen on a fridge for a long time. And then I had a friend they got one and it's like, Oh, it's great. You ever watched the shittiest YouTube videos you've ever seen, but on a refrigerator. And I went, that sounds amazing. I have that little, uh, little Alexa that has a screen right next to my fridge

So I get the same effect. Yeah, no I've been in your house where we've been in the kitchen and talking and then you say something like and it just turns and looks at you Yeah, that's a fucking terrible It's the worst it's the it follows you around the way really like you say something that sounds like Alexa and it goes BEEH and looks at you and you go Fuck you rain It's creepy dystopian future. Big time. Yeah.

I really recommend if you are just a person who wants coffee, do a guest and go to Walmart or Target and get one that has no connection to anything but an alarm, a timer that you can set and alarm because man, when you, I love the ritual of making coffee in the morning, it's very nice. I like, I really enjoy it, choosing what I'm gonna make and doing all that stuff. If I just wanted coffee and I could set the alarm and then I wake up and go downstairs and it is being brewed as I walk downstairs

and it smells like coffee. Perfect. Yeah, I get down and just finish brewing, drink fucking half a pot of coffee every morning. Yeah, it is. The literally the last thing Emily or I do. We go to bed when we like close the house down for the night. Set the coffee. Is set the coffee up.

Yeah. Damn. It's great. Right. Yep. Well, that's Talisman coffee and this is episode 69. Talisman, I recommend as just a little spot to check out. But we should go there for lunch. Yeah, we need to get that barbecue. We should make that. I don't try that. and talisman I recommend as just a little spot to check out,

but we should go there for lunch. Yeah, we need to get that barbecue. We should make that. I don't try that pistol. I'm gonna have a brisket. Okay, I'll even open for whatever. We'll figure it out. Well, I'll figure it out right as soon as we're done with this.

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Yeah. This is from Instagram for the show. Thumbs up. Uh-huh. Thank you. This is for Mr. Odin. What's a piece of Austin of Femura that people say they miss that in your piece that in your opinion never existed. He says, for example, in my city, people in my generation talk about missing the varied nightlife being out until the wee hours hanging out. But really, it's only ever been a couple of bars and clubs open past midnight. So something that people sort of lament for, like nostalgia for an age that never existed type of stuff. Is there stuff there for you? We've kind of touched on this in the past.

It's like I think people have an nostalgia for, like what were considered some personalities in Austin years ago, like people always talk about Leslie fondly, you know, being downtown. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. Really, I don't have as many fond memories as a lot of other people do. Of who Leslie?

Yeah, interactions with Leslie. Dude, he was a dickhead. Yeah. I'm sorry. I love to Leslie, like everybody else did, but I would always get tattooed over on South Side tattoo and he would always come in and he would just expect you to give him shit.

He'd be like, hey, let me get $5 from you. And he'd be like, I don't really wanna give you $5. I know. And he'd be like, fuck you. And he'd be like, really mean. Sometimes he could be really affable and nice and sweet. He could just be really like, he was, I mean, he was clearly not there.

There was something going on there, or yeah, there was something going on there. And so he would flip. And you didn't know like which Leslie we're getting. So the problem would avoid him by the end. Some people only got the really affable side. Yeah. That was the one interaction ever. I think they maybe didn't see all of it.

That's kind of one of the ones I would think about. Like something that people remember differently or that miss but really wasn't there. Also to a lesser extent, safety on six street or downtown, it's always been kind of not like this. Dangerous, it is worse now. There was a fucking shooting Saturday night on six street. There was a shooting at the mall too, by the way.

Two shootings to the same fucking day. Yeah, there was shooting at some of the cheesecake factory. Yeah, where it's the entrance we walked into when we went over there. But it was always rough. You, 50% chance you were to get your ass kicked going down. Maybe I used to always say if you stick around, it dirtiesix until 2 a.m. when the bars closed,

you've got like a 25% chance of getting into a fight on the water your car. So are people making eye contact looking for trouble for people who, for some reason make eye contact with the people who are looking for every aggressive drunken, angry dude who didn't find somebody to go home with looking, I mean, they're gonna fuck her fight. Yep.

Is how they, is how, is what six street is like at 2 a.m. And there's a lot of fighting. I think there is a lot of nostalgia for like, oh, how six street used to be, there's a lot of that same year with like Pacific beach and stuff, but it's like, it was never good, so I don't really know.

It's sort of always what it has been, and just sort of the end point of what it was going to be anyway. I, people used to always talk about, maybe you know about this a little bit, but I always feel like people always talk about how, there was a place called Holiday House everybody loved, everybody talks about how much they missed Holiday House.

I have no idea what that is. I went there a couple of times. Apparently, I think it closed shortly after I got here like in the late 90s or early 2000s. I went to one over in Terry Town. There's like off of exposition, kind of where beer plant is. And I asked if Petzalavi was over there.

I think it was like a, became a bank or something. It's something else now. Who knows what it is. It was always fine. Yeah. It was a restaurant. Yeah, it was a restaurant. How about a dog and duck pub?

Dog and duck pub, I went there a few times. Everybody loved dog and duck pub. I never got it. Yeah, it was fine. So it was like over there kind of a North campus, like down off a Guadalupe, I think. It moved actually over to Weberville, but it wasn't there for very long.

Yeah. Again, fine. I think we moved actually over to Weberville, but it wasn't there for very long. Yeah. Again, fine. I think we may have had like a Rooster Teeth or an RVB event there once like in 0405 Fine, that missing really anything. Yeah, I can't really think of it. You know, you know what I do kind of miss is I don't know if you ever went there. Players? I don't miss players. I miss players. It was like a little shitty, greasy restaurant ride by campus, like off of MLK and Guadalupe,

I think there's like a top building there now. They was just like, they had good onion rings. They had good malls. They had shakes and malls. There was a big thing was they had malls and their malls were pretty good. That was one of those places where it was in danger of closing, it was like a U.T., a beloved U.T. thing.

Everybody was upset and up in arms about it. Save players, the whole thing. And then it eventually closed and I don't think anybody remembers or gives a shit, you know. That's what's going to, I ate at Dirty Martin yesterday and last night for dinner and I think that place is about to go away as well. There's like a save Dirty Martin's campaign right now and I wonder if it'll be a similar thing where it's like it's a big deal until it's gone and then just like a year later everybody forgets about it. Which is sad because the place has been around since like 1926.

But what about the live music capital whatever that Austin used to be? It's not anymore. It never was. That's how that is how how I do. I don't know, man. In the early 90s, I do feel like you would open up the Chronicle and there would be four bands you've heard of playing every week, almost every night. And it definitely was closer to that in the 90s and it is now. It's been, Austin's been riding that theme for a long fucking time and it hasn't been anywhere close to that all the time.

But there was a period in time when it was- If it was the live music capital of the world, I feel like we'd have more known bands coming out from here. Or originating here. I think that's the live music capital. If you are on Sixth Street and want to hear a guy play as some lime cover, I think then it's the live music capital of the world.

But in terms of You like bands that are coming from here and everything. I it's just fewer and far between I think Yeah, I don't know there's been a billion bands that have come from Austin Maybe I'm just unaware. It's a lot of stuff. You don't like yeah, you know music You don't care anything about that scene. You do, I. Right in that wave. Yeah. Yeah. Contemporary artists. You don't let all those fucking... What does Newest Racker?

All those like 20 tens indie bands you don't like. Like Vox Trot or Ghost Land Observatory. That kind of shit. Spoon from here? Spoon's from here. Yeah, Spoon is Austin looking. Dangerous toys. What about them?

I just think a... Heavy Metal band. I definitely think that writing that about them? I just think, Heavy Metal Band. I definitely think that writing that wave of the live music capital, and it's like, oh, you mean Nashville? You mean Nashville? Yeah, I would definitely. It's definitely not what it was. And it's also not weird.

Like keep Austin weird and live music capital in the world are monitors that don't apply anymore but that we fucking hold on to. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely believed Austin was live music capital the world more until I went to Nashville. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely believed Austin was like me as a capital of the world more until I went to Nashville. Yeah.

I was like, oh shit. Oh, this is a wet. It's not just the quantity that's different. It is the quality. The people and you just go into a bar and you're like, wow, this band might be pretty good. And then you go like, I swear you go, fuck, this band might be pretty good. And then you're on 6th Street, you go, man, they're playing sublime again. Huh?

I may get to just work different. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, so that I think that does it for Anima. Of course, I don't know. Maybe we'll record one more. Maybe we'll go get lunch and make it happen. I have a final burger episode for the end of the year.

Yeah, maybe we'll record one and then it'll come out mid-January. Guys, what a great 20, 20, three, it's fucking three weeks into 20, 24. But this was great. Episode 69 in the books, Talisman Coffee. If you want to contact us at Anima Podcast, Twitter and on Instagram, our slashing Anima Podcast, the subreddit, we do not run, but that does it for Anima. Any party thoughts, final words for the folks at home. Stored out receipt.om, by shirt.

There you go. See you next year, which is, you're already there. That's probably now. Hey, welcome to 2024. It's gonna be a great year.