anything goes with emma chamberlain - a talk with cody ko and kelsey kreppel [video]

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

[video available on spotify] this is a very full circle moment because today i'm bringing on the two people i spoke to when i went on my very first podcast, cody ko and kelsey kreppel. cody is the host of the podcast insanely chill, and kelsey hosts the podcast, circle time. they are truly some of my closest friends. cody and kelsey also happen to be married and they recently became parents for the first time. i’m excited to talk to them about parenting because i think a lot about having a child, and i have many questions. so let’s bring them in. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is a very full circle moment because the first podcast I ever went on was Cody Co's podcast Insanely Show. This was in probably 2017 and I was a really big fan of Cody. Let's just say I was an absolute menace on that podcast. I was so fucking annoying. I can't even watch it back now. But it's very full circle because today, I'm bringing on the two people that I spoke to when I did my very first podcast,

which was Insanely Chill. Cody Ko and Kelsey Krepple, they are a beautiful married couple with a newborn. They're also sort of my parents as well. And I can explain. I met them when I was like 17 and when I moved to LA they immediately became my parents in a way because you know, my mom didn't live in LA, my dad didn't live in LA. I was this young girl on my own and

there's certain things that you can't do when you're not 18 yet. For example, go to certain doctor's appointments. I had this doctor's appointment because I had a UTI. I didn't know I had to pee after sex. And you learn that the hard way, don't you? Kelsey took me to the doctor and got me the fucking meds I needed.

This was the worst UTI. I don't think you understand about this UTI. I was like, I was peeing like it was it was so bad. So Cody and Kelsey and I go way back and they've sort of been like my LA parents and I don't know. It's cool too because we all are in the same sort of space Cody and Kelsey are youtubers I'm a youtuber Cody and Kelsey are podcasters. I'm a podcaster. They are truly some of my closest friends.

And so I'm so excited to bring them onto the show. They're two very special people. And I haven't really gotten to speak to them since they've had their baby. So I'm very excited to pick their brains about that because I think about what it's going to be like to have a child all of the time. Because every day is one day closer to me

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be raising the child and have it be alive. I feel like when I think about me having a kid right now, I think of it like me holding it wrong and it hurting its neck or something. Like I feel like I'd fuck it up. We felt like that too in the beginning. Yeah, everyone felt like that. Actually still. I was gonna ask that.

Did you feel like, oh, we're not ready for this a little bit? No, we definitely felt ready. Not that we weren't ready, but that it was really terrifying. Well, you have so much experience felt ready. Yeah, not that we weren't ready, but that it was really terrifying. Well, you have so much experience with babies. Yeah. Yeah, but those are two-year-olds. Newborns, I was always kind of scared.

It's also one thing when it's like, you're working with kids that are not yours, and it's like they're being sent to you at a point when you still have to baby them, but not as much, it's not like a newborn baby. You're just not like as emotionally attached to them, I'm realizing. Well, like now, because I'm like,

like there are just certain things where like if a parent came in and said it to me when I was a teacher, I would have been like, that's not a big deal. But like now being a mom, I'm like, oh my God, I would be freaking out if this was my kid. Are you anxious parents? I feel like I'm gonna be an anxious parent. That's why I'm asking.

I feel like sometimes we're a little anxious with Chili. So I feel like maybe we'll end up being a little bit more on the anxious side. What do you mean? We're anxious with Chili. Like, I think we're like a little bit overly cautious with him. In terms of like... Well, he's like a precious baby.

For context, you guys, he's a dog. In case you don't know. That's our other son, Chili. Four and a half year old dog. Our human child we named Chili. Oh my god, when I was driving here, I actually freaked out because I get so spiritual about things. Car drives by, Otis.

Really? Wait, by, Otis. Really? Really? Wait, it said Otis on the car? Yep, as well as the truck. Was it from the elevator company? Oh, probably. Maybe.

Was it the same logo? It just says Otis. I don't remember, but it just said Otis really big. I think it is. I think one of those. To me, it was a sign. I think it was a sign. It was a moment.

In the elevator, on the parking garage right here, it said Otis in there. I think that's also a sign. Because was a sign. In the elevator, on the parking garage right here, it said Otis in there. That's also a sign. Because every fucking elevator. Every elevator says that, but when we did see that for the first time, when we noticed it for the first time, we were like, holy shit.

We've never noticed that every Otis, by the way, also has Otis in it. Oh! Another sign. Okay. Holy shit. But we never noticed that before, that every single elevator is made by the company Otis

And then we were like we should name our son Otis and I got an elevator one time and I said I was like, holy shit. What not because of that because you guys have We have beautiful passion We just hit like the emergency button, and we made a baby. No, it was a quickie, you know? From floor three to lobby. It was super efficient. Yeah.

Oh, Cody, that's really fast. We need to work on that. I don't know why he's bragging about that. I gave him the benefit of the job and said we had to stop it, but he's... Okay, so what were you expecting it was gonna be like to be a new parent and then what happened so far? I don't know. I don't really know what I was expecting

when it came to actually having him at home with us. But also actually I think that's by design. You never really know what I was expecting when it came to actually having him like at home with us. Mm-hmm. But also actually I think that's like by design. You never really know what to expect because I feel like every baby is different. Yeah. But also like that's the point of being a new parent is that you're just like flying by the seat of your pants and learning. You never know what to expect. You don't have and nobody has experience with a newborn except for brand new parents you know. That's true. And also single baby is different you can like read as much as you want or like take advice from people and whatnot but like there are just things that like he's gonna do that are not the same as every single other baby. Yeah. So it's like kind of tricky but I feel like he is a really good sleeper So we lucked out with that. Yeah. Yeah, he's a beast.

He's a savage? He's an absolute savage. Savage. That was actually our second name choice. Second on the list was Savage. Otis Savage? Yeah, we made it his middle name actually. We wanted to go classy, so we made it his middle name.

Yeah. Otis Savage. That sounds like a fragrance. That's a great fragrance. Otis Savage. Otis Savage. That's gorgeous. Oh, God.

So what has been like, I don't know, like a notable, like what's been like a rough moment, like paint a rough moment for me. I just think that like, there are just times when you're like, okay, you're fed, you're changed, you've napped, you should be so happy and you're like, okay, you're fed, you're changed, you've napped, you should be so happy, and you're like screaming, and I don't know what to do to make you stop. But like, I also think it's something with like hormones,

but like when the baby's screaming and crying, it like makes me like freak out. Of course, yes. I get like really like, I don't know, I don't know what to do. And then I've gotten like a little bit better, but like it like sends me. Spiral.

But there's like a certain tolerance. It's like 30 seconds or something. Yeah. That I feel like our brains have that you can deal with it. And then after that it's like, oh my God, I can't handle this anymore. Yeah.

And then like, you know, you pass it off. You have to like tag team. Yeah, exactly. It's weird how that works. I've seen that too on like TikTok or something like that. It's like, that's why I feel like having two people is so like important because the one person, like they're going insane, the other person is like,

oh, I can handle it for 30 seconds. Totally. Right, right, right, right, right. It's so helpful. Yeah. Are you good at changing a diaper? Cody is really good at changing diapers. I will say for Otis's like first, maybe week of life,

I didn't change a single diaper. That's amazing. I like after labor and everything, I was like kind of out for the count a little bit. And so Cody really stepped up with anything that he could possibly help with because I was like breastfeeding and stuff too. And he became the master diaper changer.

Master diaper bro? It's not really that hard. Well for someone who's never changed a diaper. Yeah, I did it for the first time in the hospital. The nurse had to show me how to do it. Well there's actually a proper hygiene regimen that must happen so that they don't get like a rash.

Like I actually wouldn't know what to do. In fact, I've held probably five babies in my whole life. That's a lot. Really? Yeah. Okay, here's one interesting thing about that is that same, I had only ever held like one or two, I think in my life. And I was always like very scared to do that.

And I was like, I wonder when we have our own, if that like go away, and I won't be scared and like it was like intuition I've always been like I don't know how to handle the head Yeah, so scared about like what are the rules about like dropping you know and then once we had our own baby It was like the first day. I just knew how to do it. It was weird. That's so crazy Yeah, I heard that I have heard that crazy. But I've heard that. I have heard that. Little chatters of that. Little murmurs of that. Little whispers you guys. And it just kind of does come naturally. Which is comforting for me. Because I am pregnant.

Oh my god! No, I would be so scared. When we would talk about that. Imagine if that was the announcement. Mid, Mid, like 20 minutes ago for my past, or 15 minutes or whatever. So I am. Just off-handed. By the way, I'm pregnant. That's why I have so many questions about this, by the way.

I am so curious though, because I don't know, even though I have a long time, I don't know any new parents either. Like this is really the first, like where it's like in real time, I can witness and watch. Did you listen to any online advice? I feel like the parenting community online is fucking horrible. It's just wild.

It's like, it's crazy. There's like, I don't know, there's just so many like different, there's too many opinions, I think. And strong opinions. For sure. People are critical. For sure. Like if you're not doing something

that someone else is doing and they think it's the right thing, they'll let you know. Which I always have thought was so interesting because I'm like, once you're pregnant and you have a baby, you realize like how different everyone's experience is and like how emotional you are and all of those things.

And I feel like everybody would be like more sensitive to that, but then it, but it, but it turns people like into like animals. Yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of insane, but I haven't, I would say like little tips of like, put this thing like this when you want them to, like a toy, like stuff like that is helpful. But like, there's also stuff where it's like,

oh, your baby straightened his legs. Like he, something's wrong. Like there's like so many things where I'm like, oh my God, there was one night when he was like, maybe like two weeks old. And like, I just got on like the wrong side of TikTok and was just like diagnosing him with like six million things.

And I was like, I need to sleep. So he's not thinking ahead of by this point that he has this disease, like lifelong chronic condition. Yeah, so intense. It's like WebMD anxiety times five thousand. Right. Well, yeah, because they also can't obviously they can't talk to you. So you feel like, oh, it's your responsibility to touch everything. It is. Yeah. You feel like it's your responsibility, which it isn't.

Like he like literally didn't even tell me that like that was like hurting him. And it's like, fuck you. That's on him, honestly. I was like, fuck you. You're stupid. So you're really stupid. Also the online parenting community is very performative.

More so than I would say than like vlogging or like the typical vlogger stuff. Everyone like wants to make it seem like their life is perfect. But the parenting shit is like, it's on steroids. Everyone's like, because it's like, parenting is so hard that they want to make it seem like it's so easy for them. It's like an extra level of like, I'm fantastic

because I'm doing this thing that's so hard, so effortlessly. That's so fucking annoying. And I got like, I was, I got like tied up in that shit. Not like doing it, but I'm saying like on TikTok. I would find myself getting fucking depressed because I'm like, how is this person's baby not crying in the morning? I don't understand.

What are they doing that I'm not doing? And I was like, I just think that they're not showing it. What are you, what's your like boundaries with baby and internet? Do you have, you kind of decided that? We're gonna wait for Like the podcast for sure. Like with us posting him or him using it. Yeah, exactly. And then at 21, he can go on Joe Rogan.

Yeah, maybe. Maybe. We'll see. I think we're like we're pretty like no screen for as long as we can possibly do it. But I feel like now we've started this little thing where when we're burping him, because he fucking hates being burped. You have TikTok scrolling while you're burping. No, if the TV's playing, we'll just so happen to like spin him around a little bit. He gets a little cocoa melon a little in the bowl. He gets a little Summer House.

I've been watching Summer House and he's into it. A little bit too into it, honestly. He'll like arch his back and he'll freak out when he doesn't like to be burped. So he gets like super stiff, which makes it impossible for the burp to come out. He only burps when he like relaxes. But if also by the way, if he doesn't burp, he'll like projectile vomit everywhere.

So like he needs to let some air out. Yeah. So it's sort of like just accidentally kind of turn him around towards the screen. Then he's looking at the TV and then he gets distracted. He'll kind of like relax and then he'll burp and then it's, okay, and then he gets distracted. And then he'll like walk onto it, and he'll kind of like relax, and then he'll burp, and then it's, okay, sorry, that's it for screen time.

There you go, okay, that's great. Yeah, I think we'll use it strategically, but not like, hey, shut up for a little bit. Right, and he's just too young. And when we go for dinner, where he's not gonna have an iPad, you know? I was about to ask about iPad Baby at dinner. What were you thinking?

I feel like, okay, this is the only thing, is that like you really never know like what it's gonna be like until you're actually in it. Like who knows what kind of two year old. Like if you have an absolute wild child. Yeah that's a good point. Like you need to put that iPad. Yes and like if I'm if we're like with someone and they give their kid an iPad I would never be like wow. Low light yeah. Cool. Good parents like I don't care. If you if your kid needs an iPad so you can sit through dinner, like give him one. That's a great point.

I would like to try to not give him an iPad at dinner. I would like for him to learn how to sit at the table and like distract himself with like other toys or a book or something. Like we did. Because people resort to it too quickly. I agree. I don't want to resort to it.

I would like to not give him an iPad when we're sitting at the table eating a meal. If we're on like a long flight or something, maybe. Yeah, that's what I'm saying strategically. It depends. But like sitting at the dinner table and like I said this could change but the plan is like sitting at the dinner table like he would do like with his family I would like for him to sit and enjoy it color color yeah learn how to like have a conversation yeah can he talk yet yeah he's already like Bella no I'm just kidding no wait when do babies start talking I think around like like 10 to 12 months that's when they start like like he could say like mama or dada or something.

So does he have a personality right now or is it kind of like who is this guy? I think he does. Okay see do you have any predictions about what his vibe is gonna be? He's got great, he's got really good vibes as it is right now. He's a happy fucking guy. You know what's so interesting is that this is how I feel like he we I've been putting his hair in like a little mohawk after the baths and like nothing suits him better than a mohawk like every time his hair is like flat I'm like something's wrong. He's gonna be like machine gun Kelly Jobs. Maybe.

Oh shit okay so he's gonna be like um. I think he's just gonna be like fun and cool and like spunky. Totally. Like do you feel like he's gonna be like a like real estate guy or is just gonna be like fun and cool and like spunky. Totally. Like do you feel like he's gonna be like a real estate guy or is he gonna be like a rock star or is he gonna be... I think he's gonna do something musical. I'm thinking sensitive artist. Oh! But with a mohawk.

So machine gun Kelly. So literally machine gun Kelly. Wait maybe. No. No gun Kelly. Wait, maybe, no. No, come on. MGK. MGK, come on. MGK, come on. Machine gun Otis.

That's so cute. But also Otis is such a surfer name too. I feel like Otis is an artist name. Artist surfer. I don't wanna like, he can do whatever he wants and be happy, but. Yeah. But I can see him being a little outdoorsy.

He's definitely going to surf with me. Of course. If he doesn't like it, then he doesn't have to do it, but I'm going to take him surfing. Hopefully he'll like it, I hope, because I'd like to surf with him. I think a lot of times, I feel like no kid will hate surfing. Did you go surfing with your dad? I didn't start surfing until now, and I still still can't do it because my dad didn't start surfing till like now Yeah, he started so late. Like most people are starting when they're teenagers. He started when he was

50 that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. And he's so good. He shreds. I want to see you guys surf together. Oh God, my dad surfs Malibu all the time. Tell him to text me. Yeah, y'all can hit that. Yeah, because I need people to surf with too. Oh, he loves that. Yeah. Like he like makes friends in this way.

Yeah. And he's good and fun. He's the best. And we can sit on the side. Of course. With like a little, like I don't know, little chips and like crackers and stuff. Yeah. And we can eat with wine eat like wine yeah wine this is beautiful okay can't wait yeah okay that's gonna know it's gonna be so good he's with us um he could be

surfing with us Otis is baby surfing Otis is sitting with his mom and his aunt okay yeah obviously this is sister. Big sis, obviously. Obviously. Yeah, wait, what is happening? Don't age me. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. It's big sister. So let's do a parenting exercise.

Okay. Okay. Okay, I'm going to give you scenarios. Okay. And you have to tell me what you would do. What would you do if at five years old, baby, well not a baby anymore, young man takes mommy's phone and makes a TikTok account, okay, starts making TikToks, could be anything like a little cooking video like make my school lunch with me for kindergarten, something like that. Just starts

making little videos. You're unaware of this completely. Young man goes completely viral, okay? Three million followers in a month. Okay. Okay, he's five. And we still have no clue. You have no clue. Okay.

You find out because it's on your for you page one day. He's somehow smart enough to like be sweet. Okay, what do you do? Do you take the account away or do you say, all right, you know what, like you might have a career in this. Let's fucking. This is your calling. This is your calling.

Let's put our foot on the gas here. Do you take the social media away or do you say, you know what, I'm just gonna try to facilitate this in the best, healthiest way possible? What would you do? Okay, well first of all, I would have to really take a second and consider how in the world I have let my son take my phone, post a TikTok, go viral,

and I had simply no clue what kind of mom I was being. Yeah, you gotta check yourself first. He was being sneaky and he knew how to switch the account back so that you wouldn't find out. And then I'd be impressed, because he's like a genius. A genius, he's ultimately on his side. I don't even know how to like switch the account back so that you wouldn't find out. And then I'd be impressed, because he's like a genius. He's ultimately Einstein. I don't even know how to do that.

How did you do this? But I feel, maybe I would be like, let's, clearly you're, you like making these videos and you like cooking or whatever it is that you're doing. Like let's, we can still make these videos, but let's or whatever it is that you're doing, we can still make these videos but let's do it in a different way and not do it online. Oh, okay, interesting.

So you'd be like, let's make these videos for family. Yeah, and we can send them to your grandma and grandpa, we can send them, you can choose whatever aunts and uncles you wanna send them to, whichever of your friends you wanna send them to, we can send them there but let's not post online. That's a really great answer. Thank you.

I was going to say like, we could make them with our supervision. Like you're not going to be on TikTok by yourself. Well, he was going to say turn on AdSense. But then he was like, why would we even, what'd you say? You're going to say turn on AdSense and then just sort of like. Yeah.

Yeah, we got to get you in the creator program. Why the fuck are you doing this without making money? You're just doing this shit for free? Son, wake up. The only issue here is that you haven't gotten into the creator program. You're a fucking idiot, son. Okay, so you would do it under supervision? Yeah, and like start making merch.

No, I just I just feel like if you like making these videos like just do it But yeah, there's no reason tick-tock has to be involved We can just like make the videos and we can make the videos and if he wants people to see them We can just send them people we know. Yeah, that's true But then you're not getting like the the proof that they're like good, you know know the social I don't but I don't have like a five-year-old like he's blowing up that kind of validation from like millions of people in the internet I totally agree with you I'm not saying he should be like feeding into the likes and comments I'm saying like what if this was like an illegitimate talent of his and it's like

well he can like this he could be a performer yeah like everyone makes videos but like like a dance class and like let him It'd be a star and we'll just like let him like do something creative. Yeah, but like doesn't need to be on the internet. Yeah Okay, I love that. Okay, you passed the first test. Thank God next sweating. Um Okay, he's a little older now. Okay, I love it. Super professional. It's cool. Okay, so he's 16 now Oh shit, and he's doing really well in school, which is great. Yeah, congratulations you guys. Thank you, but he decides School is not really for me. He's kind of like his older sister. Yeah, I mean he it's junior year and he's ready to go But he decides You know what? I want to move to Bali. Okay. Because I think that the vibe is better. Okay.

So he comes to you, he sits you both down, and he says, and he's doing well in school. So it's like, you know, and maybe he has some ideas like, well I could do homeschooling in Bali. Do you have to pay for him to move to Bali? Yes. But he says that the vibe is better and he thinks that he would have more fun and a better quality of life. No. It's his dream and he really wants to do it. He wants to surf there. there's hot babes.

Relax. Hold on, he's a hot babe. No, but you have to figure out how to pay for it. We're not paying for it. Okay, so you're not paying for it. No, I would say if you don't want to keep going to your school every day, something about that is making you not happy.

Super fringe. We can finish school at home. Once you get your degree, however that is, then we can discuss how you'll pay to go to Bali maybe once you're 18. I love that. So it's more about, we're creating a two year plan. Closer to 18.

He just needs to finish school, and if he has a plan of how he's gonna make money when he's there, how he's gonna be able to support himself, and that he actually has and like a big an idea of what he's gonna do in Bali, not just going to like go. Hot babes. I'd say look into crypto.

All right, start trading some shit coins. See if you can rack up some dough. Do a bit of like pump and dump, pump and dump. Do a couple pump and dumps. Yep, yep, yep. And then get out there. I'll get living up there. I hate that. No, but if he's if he's 16 he's like showing a ton of promise and something else like like you

were with YouTube then we'd be like yeah okay let's talk about it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But if he's like trying to make y'all pay for it. Yeah, and he's like I just want to drop out and move to Bali. I'd be like no. Yeah, well yeah that's kind of what I'm saying. I think we're in green. Yeah, we are we do agree. Okay. What if he starts coming into a lot? Sorry, you guys are not in sync. Yeah, that was embarrassing weird is happening, but imagine this okay, okay? Slightly different scenario he comes to both of, and he somehow shows you his bank account. It's his high school checking, okay? And he shows you he has $2 million, okay? And you're like, what the fuck?

You turned on AdSense, didn't you? Like I told you. And he's been banking the money since he was five. So he has made $2 million from selling, from doing pump and dumps games online. He's been doing crypto pump and dumps, and he's been scamming Americans everywhere. Actually, let's broaden it a little bit.

He's been scamming internationally online. Oh my God. But he's made $2 million on poop coin, and he's fucking loaded But he it's kind of iffy like whether or not he's safe in America. He wants to go to Bali He's 16. Okay. What do you do? I first of all, I would be horrible. I would be absolutely horrified I don't know what I would make it. No, I'd make him donate all of the money. Oh, that's great planned Parenthood I love that. That's beautiful. Okay, there you go.

Starts dating someone. Okay. Who has a sus vibe. This person just overall, you can tell is bad news. Bad news. Okay. Yeah. Probably a cheater too.

Yeah. Probably gonna break his heart. What do you do? Do you tell him? Remember that TikTok you saw of that dude that's like, will you tell your friends when you hate the guy she's dating or whatever? It's like, I think you should just play the field.

He's cool, but I think you should just like, play the field, it's summer, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we'd say to him. Really? Listen, she's dope, but like, Otis, you're a handsome guy, you're young, play the field a little bit get on the apps Yeah, we're gonna tell him to get on the apps probably

No, I feel like I feel like every parent has to deal with that at one point like seeing their kids like my parents have Yeah, mine have mine. You guys are my parents. Have you we have You guys are my parents, have you? We have. You've known everyone. You've been there when I've gone through a breakup and come over and laid on your couch. Weirdly that one time, do you remember? Like a long time ago. Oh yeah, in Eastwind?

Yeah, yeah. I do remember that. It was like not directly after it was too much when I was unhinged. But you know what? We got through it. We got fucking through it. No, I totally remember that. I totally remember that. I was unhinged. Yeah. But you know what? We got through it. We got fucking through it. And I, but I really think that's like, that's like a rite of passage as a parent. It is.

So like, I would be like, ugh, he found that one. I don't ever find out till after, like my parent, my other parents, because they have like, you know, two, two parents. Right. They don't tell me. They've never told me. And part of me feels betrayed if they like have opinions of like this is a huge Red flag. Yeah, like they won't tell me till later. It's like you have to figure it out yourself

Exactly, because you don't ultimately better. You don't want to like resent them for like not being supportive Mm-hmm, you know, it's kind of like if your friend is dating someone that like you don't love yeah, like you don't want to be like too someone that like you don't love. Like you don't want to be like too harsh about the person because like then they won't feel comfortable like bringing him around or telling you about their relationship or coming to you if something goes wrong. So like you have to be supportive,

but you can like be a little bit honest, but like you have to be supportive. Unless it's like really fucked up, you kind of just have to stay out of it I guess. Right. Okay. I like almost didn't go to College after I had gotten into Duke I almost didn't go because my high school girlfriend like didn't want me to go and

My parents had to sit there and be like like they knew that was the wrong decision, but they had to be like Okay, well, let's just like think it through and I look back and just like that must have been the hardest thing for them to see Yeah, it's me almost make like the worst mistake of my life. That's crazy. I know insane I was so close and then I was like no this is ridiculous And I think they like had faith that I would make the right decision But I know that had to have been so hard for them. Yeah, oh, I know That's gotta be crazy. Yeah, you just have to be like just keep thinking about it You can't say cuz like I cried my mom

I remember that it's like the one of the only times I've like actually broken down in tears and Cried to her about like how hard of a decision it was and she I know she was just like it's a fucking easy No, it's are we all go through this and blah blah blah I might. Have you been emotional recently? It really comes and goes in waves. I was thinking about this today, but because I've been pretty okay.

I mean, definitely more emotional, but sometimes I just wake up and I'm definitely feeling more than usual. Emo. Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like even even when I don't know like the the hormonal Yeah. Situation is I can't even imagine because already my like just a period I'm like crazy. No, I know. I also think I started my period today. I'm a woman. Is it so weird to have a period again? Um, no, it's just like back to the grind, you know?

Back to the grind. Yeah, so just like, damn, we're back. Would you want to get pregnant again? Like, are you excited about getting pregnant again? Or are you like, no? Um, I would say, like, I will want, I know I'll want to. Not yet, but like, I will. I will.

But like, there was a, like, when I was like giving birth, I will. But like there was a, like when I was like giving birth, I looked at Cody and I was like, this is the only time I'm ever doing this. Yeah, she's like, we're only having one kid. I was like, oh, that's fine, whatever. Okay. Yeah, but now I'm like, I could do that again. I feel like it's usually easier the second time.

I would really hope so. That's what everyone says. Right, because now you know, it's almost like when you drive somewhere for the first time and you've never been there And it feels like you're driving for six hours because you don't know where you're going and then after that it's like fast Yeah, and you get it. Yeah, hopefully hopefully that is the case because it wasn't like wasn't like super pleasant No, also to give up a lot. Yeah, no like you couldn't drink alcohol And you could you have? I could have like one

Like one little coffee. One little coffee. Oh, that's actually better than I thought. Yeah, you can have to poop. Sure. Yeah Yeah, but like enough to get the system going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, except like pooping When you're pregnant is like really really not easy. Oh my god. I can't imagine when you're pregnant is like really really not easy. Oh my god I can't imagine. It's like you're really you're like constipated. You're like I can just imagine you're sitting in the belly's like on the front of the fucking... I just thinking about the physics of it all. I never really thought too much about it. I'm just thinking about it. I'm genuinely curious about how that works. Yeah no chance you're seeing what's going on. Oh my god. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. god. It's kind of fuel. No bull check available. Oh my god bummer I look forward to those bull checks every morning. How are you supposed to know what you've made? It's exciting to see What was your weirdest food food combo when I was pregnant? Yeah, did you have any? I didn't really have any.

Was that kind of a myth? One time I was like, I really want Cheetos and then I want to get soft-serve vanilla ice cream and I want to take Cheetos and dip it into the soft-serve ice cream. Yum. And I was just explaining that to Cody, but it never happened.

But also that's like not, like that sounds good. It still sounds good to me. Like I think that sounds good to everyone. I think I'm onto something. No, that does sound good to me right now. Yeah. So how are you like, keeping up with your own,

you know, hobbies and interests with babies? It's just kind of like no way right now? I feel like, like Cody's back working and everything like normal. So yeah, I'm kind of like, I didn't really want to get back into it just yet. So I feel like I've just like recently started dabbling in things again. I don't know, but it's hard to like figure out.

It's just hard because like you can have a general idea of what every day is going to look like, but then like in the moment, like you could be like, okay, tomorrow we're going to go here, but then like six million things change. Like yesterday, I was gonna like, I had a whole plan for the day, but then like I had to give him a bath at like 11 a.m., which I wasn't planning on doing. And like there was just like,

and it just, everything kind of changed. So I feel like it's like hard to plan to do things sometimes, unless like I know Cody is gonna like watch him, then I can go, like tomorrow I'm going to get my haircut. Ooh. Big stuff. That's so exciting. It's because I have a huge knot. You should do a Karen Blonde hair just curls perfectly straight

Okay, please do that, okay Do you think you're gonna start like being like at a restaurant, like you guys are going to start being like, send it back. It's cool. And like shit like that, like just start being like a parent like that. I don't think so. Like I feel like it's a mindset. Like you choose how you.

Yeah, but some things are unavoidable. Like explain. Okay. So like, before we were parents, right? You know, it's just like you always see the new parents, especially the dads like on planes or in the airport They're always stressed. They're folding shit up taking shit out carrying 9,000 bags Yeah, that shit is unavoidable. You just become that and I've since become that where it's like folding up strollers Yeah, and worrying about like the transport of the child,

that's just the dad's job. So I am that in public now. It's like, that's me, I'm grabbing a bag. I'll get the thing and you get, you know? You're grunting in public. Yeah, exactly, and I'm bending over, my ass is hanging out. Plumbers back up. Puke all over my shirt all the time.

That is like, I feel like we're always kind of like a little bit of mess. Yeah, we're disheveled. That's how it has to be. Right. I feel like we're doing something right. Yes. That's like the perfect aesthetic. I love that.

Stinky, stinky spit up. Stinky pailants. Stinky mommy and daddy. Yes! I can't wait until he's like three. Yeah, I'm excited for when he's like a little toddler. Yeah, because it must be weird when it's full baby time, because you're really dealing with a lump and a half.

Yeah, I mean, he's gotten like a little bit more interactive and stuff now, so like it's fun. But I'm excited for him to just like be a little less fragile Yeah, I mean imagine all right isn't it weird to think about when he's 20 So weird super weird. I don't want to think about it like really freaks me out Yeah, like it freaks me out to think about like um Going on a weekend trip or like yes No, you're not

You're hanging out with us. I'm going to Joshua Tree with my boys. I did that. I know you know. Yeah. All right no shrooms son. Well I need to meet him. It's like hard for me to speak to him without meeting him. You have to meet him. I need to. It's weird that I haven't. I know. But you just live in another country ultimately. Yeah. That's actually a good point. That is a good point. But I mean no but no, but it's not that far. But like, you travel a lot. Like, you can just make the trip to... But I travel, I need to come. I know.

We do bring... So that's one of the things I was gonna say when you said like, how do you stick to your hobbies and stuff. Like, we liked to go out to eat a lot. We go out and do stuff a lot. So like, right from the get-go, we were like bringing him to shit. That's good, yeah. So we do...

We still do a lot of shit, we just bring him. Which is awesome. Yeah, it is. Like Like he's been to all of our favorite restaurants. Like we, we hang out with friends. We have like good friends in our neighborhood now, they have a child too, so we hang out with them. Huge. A lot. Like, yeah. We just go and do shit, which is cool. Like that's what we wanted, I feel like. For sure. Yeah, I don't know. And my parents are close too, so they come and hang out with him if we wanna go out or something. Oh, that's great. Yeah, we went on a date on Friday to our friend's restaurant.

Cute. It was fun. It was really good, actually. Where? You should come in Santa Monica. Yum. Bar Monette, it's called. And it's so good. Please, let's go.

And you actually, yeah, it was so good. It's the best. It's the best. Yeah, it was so good. That's okay, so I feel like, do the things that you enjoy feel the same as pre-child? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Like you have the same, it's almost like,

cause I feel like a lot of people talk about the sacrifice of like, well we don't get to do the stuff that we like to do. Right. You know, we don't get to do the stuff that we used to enjoy. Like we can't go to Las Vegas, no? Yeah. And we can't go to Tenants of the Trees in Silverlake.

And we can't, you know? Yeah. That is a lot of bars. Tenants? That bar, yeah, yeah. It's so funny. We've only been once. Oh my God, I kind of love it.

Wait, we should go back. We should go. I'm down, yeah. See, like we've had, but I think, I don't think that we've felt been once. Oh my God, I kind of love it. Wait, we should go back. Can we, we should go. I'm down. See, like we've had, like, but I think, I don't think that we've felt that way. Well, I feel like that's maybe, maybe because naturally you were like, the things that baby couldn't do,

I'm not really as into anymore anyway. Do you feel like that's kind of what happened? Yes. I think for sure. We were like down to party lesson shit anyways. Yes. And also like, we're very lucky that we do have like, family close that like watches him in case like there have been a couple times

Yeah, like should we just like go out with our friends and like my parents will come over and like yeah We go out. Yeah, you know, and it's just like fun or it's also nice because a lot of our friends are also in the same Like part of life as us now So like totally we'll go out or like we'll just have like drinks at home with the friends and our babies. And it's like our babies are asleep and we're drinking at home. It's like we, I feel like it has fit into our life pretty seamlessly.

Also I've always liked going to bed at nine. Now it's like a requirement. Yes. It's like the best. That's true. Are you putting Otis on like a peanut free vibe? Are you gonna be peanut-free, parents? No. No.

That would be a scary life to lead. Yeah, also that would suck for us. We can't have peanuts in the house. Yeah, because I know there's so many rules. A lot of times parents are like, no, my baby's gonna be fully raw. Just eat raw fruits and vegetables. No, my baby's carnivore diet for my baby.

I feel like he's just gonna have the umami. Just raw, just beef liver. Yeah. That's it, for Otis. He loves it. Yeah. He really loves it. No, I can't, I think he's just gonna have like regular,

regular, regular diet. Yeah, I don't know, we try to eat healthy for the most part. Yeah. So he, I'm sure we'll try and, we'll try and make him eat healthy. Yeah. When do you start feeding normal food? Like six months, I'm sure we'll try and make him eat healthy. Yeah, when do you start feeding normal food? Like six months I think.

I think at like four you can start with purees. Really? It depends on how they're able to sit and stuff. So you can make sure that they're able to swallow and whatnot. So like pretty soon. What's gonna be first meal? Chicken and waffles, I think.

Yum! Puree, of course. Of course. He's like, man, real food sucks. This is like chicken puree. His little gums are trying to chew on it. Aw, yeah, he doesn't have teeth. Maybe...

Beets or carrots or something. Maybe some sort of sweet potato. Sweet potato would be great. Like a banana vibe. Oh, or sweet potato would be great. It's like a banana. Oh delicious Yeah, that would be delicious. Yeah, no, you should eat it with him. So whatever it is I challenge you to eat it with him. I think you're supposed to like you're supposed to like show them like mmm Yeah They like want it. They know how to eat. Okay, but if it's just if like I'm making it

I'm just making sweet potato puree. Yeah, like's just sweet potato Yeah, that's actually yummy. Yeah Yeah, we're only feeding him Thanksgiving foods. That's the day he's on the Thanksgiving We're gonna try cranberry sauce now. Okay, here's blended stuffing. He's like, what is this? It's like the worst blandest food ever. Blended stuffing. It's not. Thanksgiving food is. No, it's the best. It can be really good. You're right. It can it's the best. Phenomenal. It can be really good. You're right, it can be good. It can also be not good.

Some people think it's bullshit. Like Thanksgiving food. It's so good. I don't f- But it's also because I've never tried my stuffing. And a picky eater. So like, oh my God, I was such a picky eater. When you were a kid.

If he has my jeans, he's gonna be a picky eater. Uh oh. Uh oh. No, I feel like, have you gotten better? Uh, yes. Yes. Yes! But like there's still certain things I won't try. Like I'm not gonna eat escargot. Oh my god, I would never.

Exactly. I'm not, like I don't like wilted spinach. Like I can't do that. I don't like mushrooms. Have you tried them? Yes, and actually on pizza when they're really caramelized and like soft, soft, soft. That's de at the right I actually really like mushrooms like a lot. I know and as a vegetarian I'm supposed to like them and they have a great flavor, but they're too bouncy for me in my mouth

Okay, the bouncy. Yeah. Oh, no. See what I can't do is like yogurt. Oh Really anything that's like too creamy like my yogurt has have like cottage cheese in a video I swear to God I have this vivid memory and I've thought about it twice today while we were talking of you eating cottage cheese once. Yeah, I'm actually cottage cheese girl now. But like, I've tried it. I'm cottage cheese head for sure.

But like you can pay me, Cody eats it with a spoon out of the tub. No. You can pay me to do that. Remember the other day you were like, here, just have a bite. And I was like, I'm not taking a bite of that. It's like people who eat avocado like that.

I just can't do it like that. I cannot do that. Cream cheese, if my bagel has too much cream cheese on it. I eat cream cheese right out of the tub. What? It actually makes me wanna throw up. No, but I would. You'd be great at eating it.

He takes my excellent cream cheese and like, yeah, you'd be amazing at keto. I just wanna throw up. No, but like you be great at Keto. I actually put like this much. He takes my excellent cream cheese and like, yeah, you'd be amazing at Keto. Yeah, I really would. But like, I don't know. Cottage cheese I have really been enjoying. Good culture cottage cheese. Only good culture cottage cheese. That fucking brand is like nothing else.

Really? It's actually really good. We tried buying normal cottage cheese because you can only get good culture at like Whole Foods or something. Yeah. So other grocery stores don't have it near us. So I tried, I thought they were like all the same.

And we bought like normal cottage cheese like I used to eat as a kid and it's fucking disgusting. Yeah. Good culture is incredible. I'm gonna try it. What does it taste like? Can you compare it to something? It's kind of just cheese. I really can't compare it to anything. Also, you know what I've been doing? What? Making egg salad.

Okay. Putting it in the egg salad. Okay. Putting it in the egg salad instead of like mayo. Oh! So it's like extra protein. Yes, high protein. Yeah, and it is good. Whoa!

Yeah. I do love egg salad. That's been a while to love. We should have brought you some eggs. Oh my god. We have so many eggs in our place from our chickens. You have chickens? Yeah.

How's that? Messy or no? It's fine, they're in their coop. They're fine, yeah. Well they roam around occasionally. But we, like, so we had chickens, right? And then I go outside one day with Chili to take him for a walk and I look over at the chicken coop and it's like the door's open and there's feathers everywhere.

I'm like, what the fuck? That does not look right. And I walk over and it's just carnage. And a coyote had gotten in. No But we're not sure actually I think it had to have been some other ranch hands And they said that it could have been a snake. It could have been a skunk It could have been an owl Did you like love these chickens too? No. Well, yes, first of all, yeah them they were part of our they lived in our home

On our home. Yeah, we loved the the eggs that they made I did I just I was also Extremely pregnant when this happened. Oh, no, probably like I came in I was like and Cody came in so casually one more good chickens are all fucking dead like literally No, we're in was like a big deal of giggling of giggling and he was like, I think a coyote got the chickens. Like, I was going to be like, wait, what? Like, he thought I was going to like laugh.

I don't even know. He goes, I think a coyote got the chicken. It's like a bloodbath out there. And I was like, what do you mean? Like literally started crying, cried about it all day. Every time I tried to bring it up, I would cry. I feel terrible. They thought they were safe and tried to bring it up, I would cry. Oh! I feel terrible. They thought they were safe and they weren't

and it just breaks my heart. It's nature. Yeah, it's the way the world. At least it's nature, you know what I mean? Yeah, but it's sad. So wait, so we got new chickens. Oh yes, okay, yes. So we're like, we got new chickens.

Against my will. Because I wanted eggs again. Yeah. And we got, you can't just like buy chickens that are already laying eggs. You gotta like buy chickens and then it's like, okay, by the spring, they'll start laying eggs. Yep.

And then our neighbor was like, I'm moving. We have chickens. Do you want the chickens? We were like, okay, they're already laying eggs. We were like, okay. So we put more chickens in the thing. So now we're getting eggs and now it's springtime. The other chickens have started laying eggs.

We get about like 20 a day or something. We have so many eggs. So many fucking eggs. Wait. Wait when I come I'm gonna take eggs. Yes Well, okay, we'll just give cartons away to people. That's amazing. It's really nice But it's kind of stressful. No, it is. You're producing a lot. We're a legit like factory. Yeah, this is a small business Yeah, we should you guys are really like really doing farm life. We're just like farmers kind of. You need to start filling your own flower and stuff. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

Maybe we should start making things from scratch. Exactly. It is kind of a trend to be cowboy-coded. Cottagecore, that's what it's called. Cottagecore is so trendy. Yes, we're like big time cottagecore people now. Cowboycore is really trendy. You know, you go to Silver Lake

and everyone's wearing fucking cowboy boots, like a cowboy hat, and I'm wearing old jeans. Right, I know, like you go to Silver Lake and everyone's wearing fucking cowboy boots, like a cowboy hat, and like, and wearing old jeans. Right, I bought cowboy boots when I was 16 to impress this guy that, like, listened to cow, like almost like cowboy music. Country music, that has a word, and I feel like I was way ahead of the trend. Got rid of them.

You fully were, why did you do that? And you know what? That was one of those things where my parents were probably like, you're so stupid. Like they like wanted to get me an Easter present and they were like, we'll take you shopping. Like that could be your Easter present. We'll get you a few things.

And I was like, I don't want like three shirts. I just want one pair of cowboy boots. And my mom was like, are you ever gonna wear these? And I was like, yes. And she was like, is this just to impress that guy? And I was like, no, oh my God. I actually love cowboy boots and cowboy hats and they were all like, cool.

And Kenny Chesney. I just love Kingman and the Huff. And my parents were probably like, God, she's so lame. Like just trying to impress this boy who just doesn't care. We've all done, I used to wear... I had one pair of Roxy brand, like little capris. And I had a crush on this surfer boy in, I don't know, second grade. And I used to be like, these are Roxy.

To him, and he'd be like, what is that? It's like Quicksilver. You're wearing Quicksilver. He's like, I don't... What? We're five years old. What are you talking about? No brand? Yeah It's like I just fucking know the swell and like what's fucking happening Fucking no um what have you done to impress a girl? We exposed almost didn't go to college

That's actually true. That's the biggest one. That's catastrophic. Have you ever done anything little? Anything you've worn or cut your hair a certain way? Like you heard a girl that you liked something and then you wore it the next day to school? No. You're just yourself and you let the ladies come to you. Stay true to himself. Just let the ladies walk.

Exactly. This happens to himself. Yeah, just like exactly. Yeah, this happens pretty naturally. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, speak to that. Yeah. No, I mean, I couldn't agree more. I forgot.

It's like authentic. I'm just like 100% me. You know, like girls will do little things like wear cowboy boots or Roxy and boys decide if they want to go to college or not. One extreme or the other. I actually do have a bad habit though where like I unfortunately accidentally like start like catering to the vibe of the boy I'm dating. Like always. Like on accident.

It's not on purpose at all. But like that just happens when you start hanging out with someone though. It's true. But like there was like, you know, my first boyfriend like loved watches and suddenly I was like, me too. No, I like needed was like, you know, my first boyfriend like loved watches and suddenly I was like, me too. And I like needed to get a watch. I don't give a fuck. Actually I do, he did kind of make me appreciate watches.

But now I'm like, I kind of get the lore of the watch. What did my second boyfriend, he didn't really have that profound of an impact on me. Oh my God, another one, like different like clothes like I was like oh we're gonna you know like I'm copying like the brands that he was wearing and stuff and he wanted to kill me. Like I would like buy something that was similar to what he was wearing and he was like this is fucking annoying. Wait really? It's so fun. I thought it was fun too. I was like you don don't want to match? It's like cute. Yeah, wait.

I kind of like matching with Bae a little. I think matching- You guys are somewhat matching in this year. We are. We are. I think that's cute. You know what I mean? Sometimes like-

You guys are fighting, but- No, but I think it's cute. I think it's cute. Like I feel like if you were like all the time going out and you're both wearing like a white top and black jeans- The exact same thing. No. That's weird. I feel like if you were like all the time going out and you're both wearing like a white top and black jeans Like that's a little weird But like I think if like you both walk out and you're kind of wearing something similar like it's like kind of fun

We should as a family match. I think when you have kids crazy Cody, then it becomes weird cool I think it's kind of all wear the same shit like cute Your kid is what it is. It's like he was also wearing a separate color of these shoes. It can't be too close Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, like if we're all wearing like green shoes, everyone would be like, what are they doing? Yeah Yeah, the greenies are here. Yeah, it's like are they doing a photo shoot later? But like if we're both kind of just all in the same vibe then I think it's like yeah Yeah, like a happy accident even though it's like has I feel like accident even though it's like has

I feel like it all being in the same like color scheme like in the same palette yeah yeah it should it's like the pieces should be all a little different right but it should look kind of somewhat style I I agree I well I think that makes sense yeah I do that with friends too though like whenever I'm going out in a group like I kind of want the vibe to be consistent. So like if everyone's wearing sneakers, I'm kind of, yeah, I'm creative directing the fashion of the group. So what happens if someone pulls up

to the pregame with like the worst fit? Oh, it's happened. And so what do you do? And my lips are fucking sealed. Yeah, come on. You're not gonna change that for me? Yeah, what are we gonna do, right? Are you gonna like hang out with them?

I mean, for fuck's sake, they're far away from home, but I mean, when, you know, depending on who's walking in to the to the club. Yeah I don't even go to the club like we should go to a club. You mean tennis of the trees. Yeah Is there a tree what is there is a tree? Okay? Yeah, I've been there in its base. No, I know Apparently we've been in there there. Yeah. Oh my god. That was a long time ago. Yeah, wait Is that the where you smoked a cigarette? You did that to try and impress me, right? So you smoked a cigarette to impress him? I didn't I don't even know that it was to like necessarily

Impress him. I will say like in this when I drink I like to smoke I get it and so I Think it's fun. I think it's funny. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I haven't even offered a cigarette. You would smoke one right now? I think if I was drunk and someone offered me a cigarette, I'd probably smoke it. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Oh wow. Oh wow. Okay. We just talked about this on your podcast, I don't know, but we were not boyfriend and girlfriend yet. And he was like You were kind of trying to impress me. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah Cuz I'm like, I don't know how she feels about it

a lot of that time Rhythm darts. Yeah, so Cody's friends like let's go get cigarettes and Cody was like, no, it was Sam. No, bro, that shit's lame! Yeah. Yeah. Who's like, ew! Cigarettes, bleh! And so, I think we never do that, bro. Bro, I don't smoke those, dude. You cut it out. I don't smoke those, dude. And then so Sam, but then I like either overheard them

or like Sam asked me, I can see Sam being like, oh, you don't wanna smoke because she, I'm just gonna ask her if she smokes. Right, right. Like I can see him like doing something like that. So he was like, do you wanna go get cigarettes? And I was like, yes, let's do it. Like, okay, fuck it, yeah.

Yeah, bro. This is the coolest girl of all time. Okay, wait, she's chill. So we went outside and we smoked like a pack of cigarettes. That's honestly fun. And we were trying to impress each other with how many we could smoke. And I also was probably taking like one puff and then putting it out like no idea what I'm doing.

Sure, yeah, I want another one. I don't know how to smoke a cigarette, which is like great. Yeah, it's better. But like when somebody like I have smoked a cigarette to impress like I've dated guys who like smoke a lot of cigarettes. Yeah, Cody's the first guy I've ever dated that doesn't smoke like cigarettes. Oh, like consistently. Yeah. Yeah, I've only had one but I was like, cigarettes. Oh, like consistently. Yeah.

Yeah, I've only had one, but I was really like, I'm gonna smoke cigarettes to impress him. Right. Or try, and I like would be holding it like fucking pinching it, like I'm pinching like fucking, I don't even know, like a knob to like turn it, like I'm like, you know. Like a joint? I'm like, yeah, I'm smoking it like a joint. I also don't know how to like smoke a joint.

Like I just can't, this is not my world, okay? I don't do this to like smoke a joint like I just can't this is not my world Okay, I don't know in the age of technology. I I'm in the age of the vape Yeah, I like I cannot look cool with a cigarette at all And I also don't like a cigarette like yeah, gross it is Which like just so everyone's clear like cigarettes are gross. No you guys don't smoke a cigarette However, I did smoke a cigarette probably two days ago I was out I was at dinner with somebody and we smelled a cigarette and we were both like... We must have this. This kind of smells good.

And then we were like, what is happening? Like, why does it smell so good? And then we went to go buy menthol cigarettes. Don't exist, they don't sell them in California. Apparently they're like really bad. That's why, like they're way more unhealthy. Anyway, two puffs off the cigarette I was like I'm good for the next two years. Yeah, I mean you know it is kind of the worst like you wake up the next

Day and like your hands smell. Oh, yeah, yeah like the aftermath. I like I like smoking one. It is fun Yeah, and it feels good, and I think it tastes good when you're doing it. What are you a ripping cigs? I was pregnant Italy for a friend's wedding and Cody was smoking cigarettes. Yeah, the little thin ones. Something about being in Europe where you just wanna smoke a cigarette. I have a picture of him like DJing at our friend's wedding and there's like a cigarette hanging out of his mouth

and he's like sweating and he's just like DJing and I was like, that is, it's perfect. Maybe one of my favorite pictures with you. You have to DJ Otis's birthday every year. Oh my God, he will. He's gonna make it about him. It's gonna, maybe one of my favorite pictures with you. You have to DJ Otis's birthday every year. Oh my God, he will. He's gonna make it about him. It's gonna, you have to. No, I won't.

You will probably end up DJing. No. Like for fun though, like not like, you're not gonna be like, guys, I'm DJing, that like you'll be like fucking around. You'll be chill in the corner vibes. Not unless like, okay, if we have like a kid's birthday party during the day, it'll be like that, right?

Then the kids go to bed. Cody, I was having the exact same thought. I was literally having the exact same thought like two days ago. Then maybe I'll get one of the decks. I was like, I want to throw a huge party for Otis's birthday for him. And then when he goes to sleep and all of his friends go to sleep, we stay up with our friends and like really party. Oh my God. You'll be invited. We set up like a crib room and it's like all- friends go to sleep we stay up with our friends and like really party yeah

you'll be invited we set up like a crib room and it's like all the cribs in the room yeah and then we just like are like all setting each other off every time one of them we have all the minutes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah wait I love that hmm you'll be invited that's why I need to get pregnant No, no, I'll have a baby by then It'll be really cool if I could also put my we need we need you need to be like bring the youth Yeah, okay. I'll bring the youth. Yeah bring the youth. Okay, I can do that Okay, we need someone to like encourage us to stay up. Yes, because otherwise like I'll go to bed when Otis goes to bed

Yes, yeah, I can do that and then the turntables will go unspun right which would be God Absolutely, I mean God forbid we had a really funny moment I said this on my podcast already, but whatever I think is a funny story it was like one of the first times that we went out the two of us because I got invited to something and After having the baby after having the baby. He, because I got invited to something. After having the baby. After having the baby. Not like ever. He was like two months old or something.

Yeah, yeah. And I got invited to this event. I thought it was like a dinner. Yeah. Like a networking, kind of like a cool meet people. Meet people, sort of. Like business kind of thing. Yeah, I wore a blazer.

Yeah, it was like supposed to be like, you know. So you know it was business, okay? Yeah, exactly. Mama put her blazer on. Mama put the blazer on. So we get there, we thought it was like supposed to be like, you know, it was business. Okay. Yeah, exactly Mama put her blazer on Mama put the blazer on So we get there we thought it was gonna be this like quaint like intimate event And we were like in the elevator like kind of nervous like buzzing because like we're being social for the first time Yeah, it was our first time we're so so And like the elevator doors open it just becomes like it goes from you know, the quiet elevator silence to like brrrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lrr-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir-chun-lir- I definitely can't do this. And he's like, let's just try to walk around once. And like, if it like, if we maybe see someone

talk to someone like, so we walk around, we like both order like diet cokes at the bar because we're like so freaked out. And like, we're like both just like looking around. And then I was like, I don't want to do this. And he was like, I don't want to do this either. And like, we maybe lasted seven minutes in the room. We went, we didn't talk to a single person. We went down to the valley so many times the valley was like already

Yeah, he basically parked the car walked around went back and got the car Yeah, you just had a little like took it for a spin. Yeah So then we're like, okay, let's go to it was so funny. We're like all right, so Sunset Tower is right down the way, let's just go there and we'll get a nice dinner. It reminded me of you, actually. Oh, I love Suspies Winter. Yeah, and we're like, we'll make a night out of it. We got a sitter, you know?

Yeah, yeah, we got a sitter. We got to take, you know, we got a sitter. We got a sitter, come on. The sitter, that's the most parent phrase of all time. Yeah, we got a sitter, it's also my parents. Yeah, yeah. My parents came over. Yeah, and so we go to Sunset Tower.

We walk in. We're like, hey, can we get a table? It's Tuesday, by the way. It's Tuesday night. Like, listen, we got a sitter. Can we get a table? Because we got a sitter. And we want some nice dinner.

She's like, it's like the bar. It's like, you can try the bar, but it's two hour wait for a table. We're like, what? So we go back out to the valet. The valet's like, already? I'm like, yep. Get the car from the valet.

We're like, okay, where can we go? Like, let's try and salvage this night. Go bricks across the street. That's what we should have done. Two hour line there too. Saddle ranch across the street. We went to Craig's. Oh, Craig's.

We're like, Craig's is good, Tuesday night, maybe not busy, valet the car, get out. No, no, no, we actually told the valet, we were like, just stay right here. Stay right here. We've been having- We're gonna go check and see if we could get a table. Yeah. Bad luck night.

We opened the door and it's like not even, I opened the door and closed it, I was like, there's no fucking way. No way. Packed, filled to the brim. To the gills. This is why in LA you do have to have a plan. It's just weird.

It's like, what is everyone doing on a Tuesday night? Oh, it never ends. It's crazy. It's Monday through Sunday, baby. I guess I didn't realize. It really is. It just felt like we were getting shit on. We were so lame.

We were feeling good on the way there. Like our first night out, and we're just getting shit on. And then everyone's like, no, sorry, we're all packed. We were so lame. We were feeling good on the way there. Like our first night out and we're just getting shit on. And then everyone's like, no, sorry, we're all packed. We're all packed, yeah. If only, what was that fucking place called? One Oak, if only One Oak didn't close the club. You know what, you're so right. You guys could have hit One Oak.

I never got to go to that club before it closed. Is One Oak the one in Hollywood? It's the one- West Hollywood. West Hollywood. I went there with Germaine Dupree. What? Yeah. When was that?

This was back in 2013, no, like 2014 or something like that. Oh. Like before I even lived in LA, I came here to interview for a job, this young guy with his parents parents money or something like that started some stupid like app and hit me up on LinkedIn. And I like flew here and I went to his, I went straight from LAX to this kid's house in Bel Air,

it was a massive house. You know, it was like straight from a movie. And he was like interviewing me for this job at the same time it's a party at this Bel Air place. He's shirtless drinking. So I just start partying with him because I'm the same age, and he's like, yo, Jermaine Dupree is coming over.

I was like, what, really, the rapper? He's like, yeah. All these kids are like 20, Jermaine Dupree is like 45 or something at this time. I'm like, there's no way that Jermaine Dupree is gonna walk in the front door. Sure enough, Jermaine Dupree walks in the front door. By himself.

Or maybe he had a couple guys with him, I'm not sure. Right. He's so sad. He's had headphones in. He puts a birthday gift on the table. Yeah, it happens. He's like, is this a birthday party or no? He came, he played beer pong with us, flip cop.

He had headphones in the whole time. What? On the phone the whole time. That's fucking sick. I have no idea with who. That is crazy. He was on the phone the whole time. And then he's like, we're going to One Oak.

And we're all like, OK, cool. And we went in the back of One Oak with Jermaine Dupree. And he had headphones in the entire night. Was it fun? Yeah, it was fucking sick for like a 23 year old. I was like, this is like entourage. I feel like I'm on entourage. Like I'm like going to this exclusive club with a rapper.

We went in the back, like the bouncer like dapped us all up and led us in the back. There's like basketball players there, it was fucking crazy. We were at his table all night. Wow. That's sick. And I left being like, LA is the place for me. I never got to go to One Oak. It was like this weird thing happened where it was like,

I was too young. Yeah. And so I like didn't really go. Like I maybe went a few times. To the club. And then, yeah, like to the club, like with, you know, like whatever and just got stuck like with you know like whatever and got stuck in you know yeah and then it like i just in the news covid and then i came out of covid and all of my friends have grown out of it right they don't want to do it anymore because all my

friends are like five years plus older than me right so then i never got to do it i don't really think i want to do it this is the don't really think I wanna do it. This is the thing. But it's fascinating that I just skipped it. You should come when he's DJing at the club in Vegas. That's great. And that would be, I think, a good way to do the club. Did you go to Coachella?

I was gonna ask how weekend two was. Did you like it? Oh my God. I literally, well, I wasn't gonna go at all. But then what happened was, it was Thursday, the day before, weekend two started. And Jared calls me about something else and I was like, what's up? He's like, oh yeah, I'm going to Coachella last minute,

like I have to style a client, she's performing on Friday, like it's super last minute. And then he was like, do you wanna come? And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's Thursday at 2.30 p.m. Like what are you talking about? And I was like, yeah, I actually will. So then I picked up Owen, his boyfriend for context,

and we just went to Coachella on just Friday. And it was so random. And then drove back? We drove back Friday night. So we got there Thursday night, went to dinner at a steakhouse that had a very strict dress code and we were wearing pajamas. And we felt very bad about it, but they let us in. Ultimately, the food was really actually bad.

So I kind of felt less bad when I was eating it. I was like, I've had better food at quite literally like, I don't know, McDonald's. So like it's all good. Yeah. And that's ultimately $4, right? Right. For a whole meal. So anyway, then I felt as bad then. Yeah, it was like, it was so weird to not go though.

And I actually did have FOMO a little. Really? Yeah. That happens. Like I kind of did too. Like there were a couple moments where I was like, we have to go. Yeah. I also thought Taylor Swift was There were a couple moments where I was like, we have to go. Yeah. I also thought Taylor Swift was gonna show up

and therefore I had to be there. Are you Swiftie? You're a Swiftie. Yes, I know. It's like not something we connect on. Well, listen, it's not that I'm not a Swiftie. But I also know that Owen likes Taylor Swift. Yes, Owen, see I'm just like,

Owen made me listen to- No? Owen- Encouraged you to listen to, no, Owen. Encouraged you to listen to you? Encouraged me. Owen gracefully had me listen to Tortured Poets, Department with Him. We were analyzing the lyrics together.

It's not that I'm not there. Did you like it? Yeah, I'm not gonna listen to it in my free time. Okay. Yeah, you're, and you know what? Like I, cause I, you have taste. Not, sorry, I have taste as well, and I think TORTURE PRODUCE Department is wonderful.

I have a very specific taste. But you have a very specific taste. Yes. That is really, you have really good taste in music. Thank you. So I, You trust me. I do.

And like, I understand, your taste just differs a little bit than maybe what's on that album. I'm also all over the place. I don't think there's one right and I don't think there's one wrong. No, it is so, like the album, it was a controversial album. People have been really...

Some people, yeah. What did you think of it? I like it actually. I like it. And that's also what I would say I've done to impress a girl. Like music for her? Yeah, like, and I'm not saying I listen to Taylor Swift just to impress Kelsey because I end up enjoying it.

But like that's something that I've done for sure. I would never listen to Taylor Swift if I wasn't dating you. I have like, I'm kind of a butterfly. Really? Dating you by the way I just said? Married to you, sorry. No, but like it's kinda sweet.

Yeah, no, I would never. But now I get it, I understand. And also, okay, I've been thinking about this for a second. I wanna just drop like a crazy ass take. Yeah, I'm sure. I think Taylor Swift is like the perfect example of like compounding interest in human form. In the sense where I remember like in college,

there was a girl on my team that like, on my diving team that like was obsessed with Taylor Swift and was a massive Swiftie. Same thing, would analyze all the lyrics and like would wait the day before an album came out. Or like that would be like her day, you know, she's obsessed. And like Taylor has been doing that for so long

and she just keeps leaning. She's like changed her so long, and she just keeps leaning, she's like changed her music style, but she just keeps leaning into like what's working. She's built an insane lore. Yeah, that's what happens when you just, actually just like trust the process. Yeah. And like compounding interest is like one of the,

it's like the eighth wonder of the world. It really is. So yeah, there's a crazy ass take for the world. It really is. I mean, cool. So yeah, there's a crazy ass take for you. That was crazy. There's a lesson there, you know? People are like, she's too famous, but it's like, she's just been,

she's been doing this for fucking ever. Yeah. Yeah. She's good at it. She's good at it, and she knows what she's good at, she just keeps doing it, and that's what happens when you just don't give up and keep doing things that you're good at. Like I have a lot of empathy for Taylor Swift.

I like think she has a challenging life, which is also a challenging life. I tell you though hot take she does not get to experience So many small joys Like I like for example tenants of the trees like for example tenants of the tree Exactly, she would have gotten a table at Sunset Tower That's true or like meeting a guy like I was thinking about like her dating, her dating can't be fun.

Like if she wants to, I don't know, like if she meets a random guy at a bar, like it's not a random girl at the bar for him. Right. Like she. I think, but I feel like she's like talked, like she like has lyrics that like. Talk about that?

Yeah, and we'll say like, I know it like kind of sucks dating me, like why would anyone want to date me when this, and we'll say like, I know it kind of sucks dating me. Like, why would anyone want to date me when this is my life? And like, it just sucks. Because you're like in the spotlight and a lot of people don't want to be. But I want to have like love. And it's like, you deserve it. But I think she's found someone who like...

Who's also in the spotlight, so it's good. And also is like, that's who you are and that's fine. But we can go do fun things and we can be in the spotlight together and I'll be there with you. I was thinking about this the other day. Like, will I ever have a public relationship again? Actually, maybe I would. Maybe I would. Yeah. But I don't know.

Like, it's a tough thing. Yeah. Like, a little bit. It's a little weird. I think you have to be... It has to be kind of like the one vibes. That's kind of what I was just thinking. Yeah. Like, it's hard when you don't kind of what I was just thinking. Yeah.

Like it's hard when you don't know if it's gonna last. Totally. I feel like it's, it worked for us because like we were both pretty certain that it was gonna last. Yeah. And so it was like just became like just showing our life in a sense.

But we also like are, also are very much in agreeance on what we're gonna show and what we're not gonna show, and that if it all went away tomorrow, it really doesn't matter, because we actually are in love and happy with each other. You're aligned. Yeah.

So our relationship doesn't depend on the public. Whereas I feel like a lot of public relationships do. Whereas for us, it's more just sharing parts of our life that we think are nice. Or just real, I guess. I mean, the lore of the breakup people love. Which I think is why if you're like, okay, we're probably gonna get married,

this is serious, and we live together, and we're like, you know what I mean? It's like, then it's less turbulent. Right, and it's less people like speculating on what's going on. Like if I'm not in one of, it's like if I'm not in a video of Cody's for a while or something, people aren't like, did they break up?

Is everything like, people are just like, they're just married. Like you know what I mean? Whereas like when you're in a public relationship and it's not forever, people are constantly wondering what's going on and like needing more and wanting to make sure that you're still with that person I get so I like I'm obsessed with celebrity couples like in a weird way not in a weird way But like I also am like curious like when I see on my explore page something about any celebrity couple. Yeah, I'm locked in

It's inch like romantic relationships are so interesting But and everybody is interested in them. I'm saving in. It's interesting. Romantic relationships are so interesting. So interesting. And everybody is interested in them. I'm saving hard launch for marriage, no. Really? Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Just the wedding day? Yeah.

I'm like, Loki got married. Everyone's like, who the fuck is that? We've never seen that guy in our life. No. Well, I think, maybe not for marriage, but maybe for like, I think once maybe I would be engaged to somebody, then I would show them. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't know. Maybe not. Depends. It's also hard because like your job is like kind of sharing your life. So fucking tough.

And so it's like you want to protect the things that are important, but like you also want to share things. But also I want Bae to be silly in the vlog. You want Bae to be silly in the vlog for once. What if Bae can come be silly on the podcast? That's fun. It's fun. Yeah, that's how we started. Totally. We podcasted our, like, one of our first dates, right? No.

Not dates, but one of the first times you came over. Yeah, that's true. And I was talking about how I wanted to be on the radio. And I was like, here, take this mic. And he was like, just try true, and I was talking about how I wanted to be on the radio And I was like here to do it and he was like just try try and talk and we like talk to each other I'm on mics. Did you post it? No? No? We just off the grid potted We off the grid potted which is so insane But it's also really sweet cuz I was like I would love to like go be on the radio or like do something like that

Like that would be so cool But like I don't know and he was like just try it. I was like, you know, you have a podcast I know do we love what's your relationship to pod? This is my final question and then I'll let you guys go I don't know wipe your baby's butt or whatever You Tesla dog-moded him? I had someone recommend me, like I brought Chilly to a restaurant once and she was like, you cannot have that dog here. And I was like, okay, what am I supposed to do with him? And she was like, I don't know, go put him in your car if you have dog mode.

And I was like, I don't. No one has dog mode. I don't just have dog mode on my car. That's so niche and weird. I was like, why? It's so rude. Don't assume that I have dog mode. No, to assume that you have dog mode is like rude.

It's actually rude. It's like saying, it was rude. Oh my god, you're expecting. It's like, no, I'm not. Why would you say that? It's the same vibe. It was. I was pissed.

It's rude. It was rude. Anyway. Yeah, do you like, what's your relationship to podcasting? You love it? Do you hate it? I love talking about podcasting with other podcasters is why I ask. That's a really tough question for me at the moment I feel.

Yeah. It's a challenging space. Yeah. I mean I just feel like I'm getting, I've been doing it for a long ass time now. Yeah. Like I do have fun like when we plan great like cold opens for our show and so yeah, I have a lot of fun doing those and stuff but like I just feel like sharing my opinions on stuff is just getting a little bit like I Would rather not do that anymore. I know not cuz my opinions are it's just like I just I

Don't like know anything else that people don't you know? I don't have any like real hot takes or anything else that people don't, you know, I don't have any like real hot takes or anything like that. Yeah. And I also just feel like I'm not as eloquent as I once may have been and I don't know. I think but also like you could, but like you, people like to just hear people like... Shoot the shit. Yeah, chat and like just talk about experiences and stuff because like it's people like to see that they're not alone in their experiences and I feel like it's fun to do that. Yeah, but I agree, I totally agree. But for me, it's like if I'm,

I just wanna do something that's different or something like that, I don't know. So I try, it's exhausting for me. I think that's what it is. I'm more of an introvert than I really ever thought I was. The older I get, the more introverted I become. And so sitting down for like an hour or two and talking, I'm physically fucking exhausted afterwards.

Even a YouTube video, I'm exhausted afterwards. So I'm starting to be like, maybe I should shoot, I shoot every single day now. Maybe I should shoot less. You should. It's sucking the energy out of my life. I'm like maybe I should shoot less. You should. It's sucking the energy out of my life. I think you should. You shoot a video every day or a podcast,

you're shooting something every day. Five days a week or seven days a week. Five to six. Yeah, no, I couldn't do it. I think, but I think recognizing that and now seeing that it's exhausting to do that, you can change your schedule to make it so that you should give yourself time off.

Because you're not gonna get back. I know, but I will eventually. Now is not the time, but I will eventually. I actually really enjoy podcasting. I'm gonna leave here and be like, that was so much fun. Because I just love talking. By the way, I've had a fucking blast. Today?

Oh, yeah, no, this is different. Today's a hang. Today's a hang. In general general, in general, yeah. But like when I, I think when I do my podcast by myself, I leave feeling like really doubtful that I did a good job. I understand that. But when I do it with someone else, I'm like, I'm good at this.

I like this. But it's hard. And I also, I recorded episodes until May in November. I recorded enough episodes to have until May. That's amazing. So that I could go on maternity leave. Oh my God, that's amazing. So I could give myself maternity leave.

That's amazing. And that's like ending. Yeah. And I'm like freaking out. Oh, totally. Because I'm like, I'm not, I don't know what to do. Who even am I? I don't want to do this.

Like I'm scared. Well now you're a mommy caster, a mommy podcaster. I'm a mop-caster this. Like I'm scared. Well now you're a mommy caster. A mommy podcaster. I'm a mop caster. Mom caster, yeah. I mean, there's a lot to discuss there. But it is when you've been doing it for a long time, you start to get to a point where you're like, what the fuck else do I have to say?

Right, like I've already told that story. Or like, what happened this week? I literally sat at home. Like if I'm trying to think of like, to like recap my week, I'm like, didn't do anything. Like I did a bowl check and there was corn You loved that No, I did that was full circle

For some reason was like you have a popcorn bowl Really good you like you Look like you should find this hilarious. I did I was like why aren't you? popcorn No, that was good open core. That was really good. Yeah. Yeah, God. Maybe I'm in the wrong industry Yeah, yeah, did you ever do stand-up? I did it with Noel like we did it. I went to your fucking yeah Yeah, come on. That was more like a show.

That wasn't like stand-up-y as much in the sense that it was like... Like really awkward if something happened. You're at the comedy store and you're doing the same thing. Most I ever did was like open mics. Like when I moved here with Noel actually we would just go to open mics together and do them. That was like the most... And then I did like a show, like one or two shows where like someone was hosting a show and they're like, you wanna do five minutes?

But I always just was horrible at it. I suck and I got the worst stage nerves. I can't imagine. I could never. No. Yeah, it sucks. So that's a no. Like for me personally, I'm just like,

I just suck at it and it's not. Some people are really good at it. Oh yeah. Not me. Not me. It just doesn't seem fun. It stresses me out. It's really like it. When it's going well, it's really fun.

Yeah, yeah, I could see that. If you're in the flow state. Yeah. Yeah, if you're in a flow state then. Everything's fun in the fucking flow state, goddamn it. My God, but getting there. That's the lesson from this podcast. That is.

You take anything away from this. Everything's fun in the flow state. Get in that flow state as much as possible. Get into the flow state and watch what fucking happens,. It's gonna be a magic. It is so true We really got in the flow state today you guys I felt that I could have sat here for hours I know but we actually have to talk real shit that off the record now So let's do that some real shit some real shit. Thanks for coming on. We're done. Thanks for having us That was great if you loved this, and you love Cody and Kelsey,

well, I mean, I don't know why you wouldn't. They're perfect. Go check out their podcasts. Kelsey's podcast is called Circle Time, and Cody is a podcast monster with two podcasts, Insanely Chill, his personal show, and Tiny Meat Gang with his friend Noel. I was also recently on Insanely Chill. So personal show, and Tiny Meat Gang with his friend Noel. I was also recently on Insanely Chill.

So you can go listen to that if you want. It's a great, fun episode. We just can't stop collabing with each other. We're just a collab machine together. It's crazy. Anyway, okay, that's all. Talk to you later. Bye.