Beef And Dairy Network - Episode 85 - Medical Mythbusters

Episode Date: June 19, 2022

Tom Neenan joins in this month as we ask Dr Sam Archer to bust some medical myths which are prevalent amongst beef and dairy industry workers.Stock media provided by Setuniman/Pond5.com and Soundrangers/Pond5.com  

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a gift from a vengeful God given in return for a life of wanton sin, calumny, lust, envy and greed, a righteous gift of justice wrapped not in colourful paper, but in tender kidney meat. That's right, 87% of people said that specific thing, those specific words. In general, the views of the beef and dairy industry workers were found to be very antiquated compared to the population at large, with many believing hearsay and old wives' tales about health matters. To find out more, and to bust some of those medical myths, I spoke to television GP Dr Sam Archer, best known for BBC Two's Lunchtime Prescription and Channel 5's The Great Big British Jubilee Prolapse Live. I began by asking him whether this antiquated attitude

about health issues in workers from the beef and dairy industries is something that is evident to him. So, yes. Let me give you a bit of background, just so you know what we're talking about here. So we're talking about medical myths, what people used to call old wives' tales. This actually doesn't stem from the idea

that there were stories that were passed around by the older generation. It comes from the fact that actually sort of in around sort of the the ninth or tenth century when viewed in the dark many people would think that a cow was an was an old wife right and it was of course believed that the cows had healing powers yes and so so that's where it stems from is these old and so you would look and you so you'd see this old wife and then around the back you'd find the tail right and so old wives tales like these sort of medical myths and things they were that was actually in reference to uh seeing a cow at night so sort of if you like ever since then uh medical myths and and rumors and things like that have

been forever connected with the with the beef industry i see i see so you're saying there's a historical link between the idea of a kind of bullshit notion of how to treat your illness and beef well i mean what have you just said again, you see every single phrase to do with sort of inaccuracy or being inaccurate comes from the beef industry. You just said bullshit because people used to think that various diagnoses could come from having a bull shit on you. And they're sort of looking through the fecal matter and discovering the ailments with it. and discovering the ailments with it. And of course, people talk about quacks. Yes.

Quack doctors. And a quack is the sound that a duck makes when a cow, by mistake, walks backwards onto it. Well, yeah, you've read up on this. That's exactly the case. So we know that there's a number of, as you put it, old wives' tales out there that people who work in my industry seem to be holding on to, you know, as the rest of the population seems to be holding on to you know as as the rest

of the population seems to be sort of letting them go it feels very old-fashioned what we've done here is i've got a list of these medical myths that are very common amongst in the beef industry and as a doctor i just want to put them to you and you can tell us whether there's any truth in any of these things let's's get myth-busting. Medical Mythbusters. With the star of Embarrassing Penis, Car Crash Anus, Celebrity Euthanasia Live,

Cry Yourself Thin, Friday Night X-Ray, What's Up Your Arse Edition, 24 Hours to Save My Genitals, Rash Decisions, and Transplant tombola live. It's Dr. Sam Archer. This is one that everyone will know at home.

We all know the phrase, a cow's lick can cure all ills. Yes. You know, many people have that, you you know embroidered and up in their home for example yeah um and that of course was something that the doctors used to have to swear to back back in the 15th century i believe yes but it's not currently in the hippocratic oath is it not at all no um so i'm not going to deny that there are certain things which a cow's lick can be beneficial for. So this used to come from the fact that, you know, people who were going on a big night out, they would want to make their hair look nice.

And so they'd get a cow to lick the top of their head, sort of give it a glazed wet look quality. Sort of quiff. Exactly. Exactly. Tint it. Think of tint it, something like that. Yeah. Probably the most famous example of that is is elvis he would get a cow to lick his head to create that um that kind of big quiff wow really that was uh how he got known but before every show what just out the back there'd be a cow he'd bring the cow with him frequent oh yes yeah it would always be his cow that was

crucial right okay elvis basically encompassed every part of a cow in his life so if you like if you think he got the hair stuff from the cow um his famous dance moves uh were inspired by seeing a newborn uh a baby a baby calf uh trying to walk and that kind of juddery hips and then of course sort of towards later in his life he would try to sort of commune with cows by just ingesting as much cow meat as possible in the in the form of cheeseburgers which is you know ultimately how he how he met his demise as well it's very sad i wonder if he was still alive today whether he would be mooing or whether he would he would sort of just have gone to live with the cows so you think he was

on a sort of on a journey to cat because you know there was that time you know he was well known for wearing full body leather jumpsuits essentially yes exactly he was essentially creating a sort of cow body for himself exactly um yeah i'm not sure how much of this will be covered in the in the biopic the uh the basil and biopic but you know for those who knew him and for those who know the the beef industry they know there was a strong link between the two i never i never realized and if you think about his songs um you were always on my mind one of his most famous songs was actually about a frisian that he once saw um that he thought was particularly particularly nice

are there any other examples you can give us of of elvis songs that show this link um are you lonesome tonight um was uh was originally sung to a cow in fact if you can think of any elvis song that's sort of wistful or sort of melancholic and romantic that's that's usually um you know he'll be singing that to some some kind of cow really so we we you know you'd imagine it's probably sung to some young woman you know that's what you imagine you do but but in actual fact i mean some of them were even recorded that they set up the recording studio so he'd be within the eyeline of a cow uh so he could he could see and he could channel those emotions and you can hear it in the recording you can really hear it in those original vinyl pressings um there's a there's a real emotionality

that i think he only was able to achieve by sort of that yearning he famously wrote the song love me tender uh from the point of view of a cow because elvis believed that the more uh you loved a cow the more tender its meat became wow beautiful yeah yeah so we've kind of gone a bit off topic here talking about elvis it's all fascinating though it's very interesting stuff so you know as you as you've alluded to a cow would lick his hair sometimes and create that that hairstyle yes yeah um so so what you're saying really is that a cow's lick can be a useful thing yes that's a good distinction uh useful i'd say but not um medicinal myth busted okay next myth a diet of nothing but different weights of butter is the best way to live a long

life now this is one we hear all the time yep the news will find someone who's 110 years old and they'll say what's your secret and they'll say, what's your secret? And they'll say, all I eat is butter. Mm-hmm. And it's become one of those truisms, hasn't it? There's a good reason for that. You know why they call them truisms? Because they're true. So this is a real, this isn't a myth.

The trouble is when people sort of have unhealthy lifestyles, unhealthy diets, if they'll have butter on bread, they'll have buttery food, they'll have greasy food food, they have greasy foods, those kind of things. What's the problem? It's not the butter or grease, it's the food. So what you want to be doing is removing that, so then you're really streamlining your diet just to the tastiest, best part of the meal, which in this case is the butter. And what you want to be doing is, obviously, I don't know if you know much about how metabolisms work, but you constantly want to be shocking the system. So you want to sometimes give it a full pat of butter.

Sometimes you want to get just one of those little pats like you get at a restaurant with a basket of bread. So you're constantly mixing up the proportions, constantly mixing up. We've had an email from Friedel. Oh, yeah. He writes, my grandfather Hans Rustenberger is now 130 years old. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Congratulations, Hans.

One of his biggest regrets is not killing Hitler when he had the chance. Oh, no. He was a high-ranking Nazi official during the war, and killing Hitler would have put him in the picture for the top job. That went left when I thought it was going straight on there. Interesting. Bit of colourful history there. Yeah.

Friedel writes, since he fled Europe for Argentina, he has lived on nothing but butter. A heavy butter for breakfast, a light lunch butter at midday,

and then some almost liquid warmed butter before bed. He shows no signs of dying. We have a family joke that he'll live forever. Yours, Friedel. Yeah, so what's your take on that ah well i mean it sounds like he's on the absolute dream which is he's combined a

butter heavy diet with um a a life laden with guilt um and if you can balance those two perfectly then uh you'll find that the the guilt really um helps break down the the proteins of the butter helps helps you digest it a lot better. And so, yeah, I would say with that perfect balance, once again, hard to achieve, I don't think there's a chance he could live forever, medically. I mean, vis-a-vis him living forever, I would of course be passing this email on to Interpol

and whatever authorities. Yes. And hopefully we'll get that old Nazi good and hanged. God willing. But you're saying that if he escapes the noose, his guilt that he carries will actually help him achieve that longevity. Yes. I have a lot of elderly patients,

and I will usually, sort of, they'll come in with an ailment, and I will give them a tub of butter, and I will tell them to sort of think about maybe in with an ailment and i will give them um a tub of a tub of butter and i will tell them to sort of think about maybe someone that they've wronged and just dwell on that for the rest of their days right and and you know a lot of them are now well into their 90s okay and someone who doesn't carry that kind of guilt with them through their life um how does that affect their longevity well that's the trouble isn't it living living a guilt-free life and eating healthily is probably the worst thing you can do for sort of a long life so you'll sort of die early but regret free those are your options really you can sort of live guilt

free and die young or you know if you want a longer life just really really torture yourself with that guilt really yeah really really get some some real guilt going on there the queen mother of course lived to 101 um so we assume then she was feeling some deep guilt she did some awful things god bless her so for that myth um you're saying it isn't a myth no i'm saying that's not a myth busted that's a myth trusted myth trusted Myth trusted. Okay, next myth. Getting kicked in the head by a cow can stop a headache. Once again, kernels of truth in this. Partially because obviously being kicked in the head by a cow can just straight up kill you.

So no headache anymore there. Or it can lead to a concussion or or um being unconscious once again no headache obviously um i would say if you are going to be kicked in the head by a cow um it is best to have a headache beforehand because if you don't have a headache beforehand you get kicked in the head by a cow you will have on after well yes we've had a letter in from gavin taylor from sunderland oh yeah he said i had a headache that wouldn't go away my wife suggested we try and get a cow to kick me in the head um after hours of trying we finally managed to get one to connect um my headache went away for a short period of time while I was unconscious. Right. When we finally did get a cow to kick me in the head,

the pain did go away while I was unconscious for a short period of time. However, once I came back into consciousness, a new headache started. We had to find a new cow to kick me in the head and the vicious cycle began. Now, that seems to chime with what you're saying there. Thank you, Gavin, by the way for that letter i hope um i assume you weren't writing that to us whilst hunting for another cow to kick you i hope you broke that cycle somehow and maybe dr sam you could tell us about how he might be able to break that cycle if he is still within it uh so so yeah like i say it's an inexact science

um is dealing with headaches in this way and i would say avoid where possible unless you're in a field with no access to um paracetamol ibuprofen all you have is a cow that definitely has back legs and back legs strong enough to render you unconscious then go for it um and if you are going to do that you really think go for it well if you literally have no other option like in these situations you know if you have to make do i'd say try it that way the best way to make a cow um kick backwards is to try and dress up or make yourself look like a door like a barn door then it will try and escape and that'll that'll hit you but um but i would say only in an emergency should you really try that. Okay, so it sort of does work,

but you may as well try some less damaging options like a painkiller. If those options are open to you. And what about the downsides? You know, Gavin in his email, we're not entirely sure how he's doing, but it sounds like he might still be caught in a cycle of continually finding cows to kick him in the head. Is that something you can break out of? I mean, I'm going to say no.

Once you're on that path, it's very hard to get off of it i would my hope is that maybe he finds that the right cow with the strong enough back legs that sort of finally is the last job that he needs to get him out of that but those cows are very rare and also i think it's probably a bit of a knife edge as to whether that is the final thing you ever experience exactly exactly i'd say there's the the margin of error between being kicked in the head by a cow so that you no longer have a headache and just and just it it caving in your skull that's about that's about i'd say almost about half a percent is that is that really worth it at the end of the day yeah wow so i guess with that myth then you're saying that it's not necessarily a myth but it's one that you wouldn't necessarily want to indulge is that is that a good summation yes uh if i can if i can just do you know sort of a little uh mnemonic for you to remember oh yes

yeah just remember cow okay cow sorry it's not a mnemonic it's an initialism. C-O-W. C-O-W, which is, so it's come on, and then go, oh, don't be doing that, and then, well, maybe sometimes. So that's just how you remember that. Okay, give me that again. So you've got... Okay. So you go, so Cal. C.

Come on. O. Oh, don't be doing that. W. Well, maybe it'll work. good thank you so it's hard for me to know whether we've busted the myth here or we're trusting the myth well i guess is there is there a sting for that is there a single like like partially busted partially trusted i like it i can put that together yeah thank you. Thank you. Partially busted. Partially trusted.

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Right. Some of the antigens that you get from cow pox can help fight chicken pox, but they are different, and it is possible to get cowpox, then chickenpox. What people don't realise, and what the medical profession has tried to keep quiet for some time, is that basically there's a pox for every animal in the barnyard. You know, if you think about Old Macdonald had a farm, every single one of them has a pox. The most common is chickenpox. The second most common is cowpoxx, then you've got lamb pox, rooster pox, and it goes all the way down to field

mouse pox, and all of them can add to the other. So you can end up getting spider pox, and then that can lead on to lamb pox. Do you remember the um there's actually a rhyme which um started off as a as a guide to the correct order in which to get the poxes right which then sort of over time became i don't know if you've heard the the old woman who swallowed a fly oh i see yeah so that's perhaps she'll die of these boxes exactly exactly the joke being that um she will because she's doing them in the reverse order that you should get the poxes. Right. So she had the fly, the spider, the bird, the cat, the dog, the cow, the horse.

Whereas actually you'd ideally do that in reverse order. And then that's the best order in which to catch those poxes. So horse pox first. Yep. That then gives you what? A bit of protection for when you get cow pox. Cow pox. Which then helps you out when you get the dog pox. Yes.

And then which cushions the blow of cat pox. Cow pox. Which then helps you out when you get the dog pox. Yes. And then which cushions the blow of cat pox. Yes. Which by the time you get bird pox, barely touches the sides. Exactly. And then what's next?

Then it's spider pox. Spider pox, which you barely feel. Fly pox. And then, you know, yeah. And I assume this came about because at some point in history, somebody walked into a farmyard

and said, a pox on all your houses. Exactly. I mean, that's, the best research that we know suggests that that's exactly what happened someone said pox on all your houses obviously not all the animals have technicab houses but they all have like a barn or a kennel or something and that yeah i'm guessing whatever curse they did sort of translated it and so put a put a pox on them it's amazing to think it's that simple to create, you know, poxers which have been around thousands of years, literally just go and say that to someone.

And actually that's the only crime that in Britain carries the death penalty. So in terms of this specific myth then that's circulating that a good way to manage chicken pox is to get cow pox, that's missing the mark. Yes. If someone is listening and does have chicken pox, obviously they've gone in at the middle of the scale. So do you want to be going up to chickenpox yeah that's missing the mark yes if someone is listening and does have chickenpox yeah obviously they've gone in at the middle of the scale so do you want to be going up to because that's bird so you want to be going up to cat or down to spider i guess is the big question good question um you want to work outwards you'd be starting with bird right and then you would be going uh to you do cats is that right and then um and then cow working sort of out outwards alternately um sorry yeah so if you've got a chicken box which of

course is a kind of bird pox the next up yes is cat pox it's cat pox so you do so you're working outwards alternately so you're going you do cat then you skip dog no then you go spider on the other side oh i see okay and then you do dog right and then you do fly and then you do cow and then you do horse sure and and and obviously if you're somewhere on that scale it's quite easy to work out how you sort of get off that scale by getting the poxes in the right order yes what happens if you're getting one of the poxes that doesn't appear on the on that scale for example hog pox you know which is rampant much you know everyone sends their kids off to school and before you know it they come back how was your day darling oh it's fine but i'm covered in hog pox

um that's not on the scale there so it's not obvious where you go next which pox to get next to try and neutralize the pox you've got it's very hard there you need to go by weight so you need to go um how much does the hog weigh uh and what's that equivalent to so it would depend on the hog obviously but it could be somewhere between a dog and a cow right so you're there on the scale i see you define yourself on the scale and then try and work alternately up and down to work outwards working alternately outwards as we discussed but if you start at the bottom i.e fly or at the top horse you just go straight through in a linear fashion just in the opposite direction exactly exactly and what if you get a pox of something that's

bigger than a horse so let's say an orca orca box it's pretty rare but it happens it does happen well okay so you've gone very high up the scale and obviously there's there's animals in between so you then unlock the sort of the the the second tier of this which obviously goes um to go down you've got orca and then you've got elephant and then you've got giraffe then you've got hippo oh so you're basically finding yourself back onto that scale using weights again exactly and then and then under hippo's horse and then as before so i mean obviously you know the most extreme example of this is is blue whale pox yeah um i mean just try and avoid that the number of poxes you're gonna have to get to get from blue whale then to just a horse and then you've got you know horse is just the beginning really in a way yeah yeah yeah please avoid that please and we've had a letter

from susan from bristol oh yes uh she said i had chicken pox um oh no she said she wasn't expecting it to be too bad and to begin with it wasn't then i got fox pox and grain pox oh no yes and uh she says I don't think I need to write anything else so she's basically got the worst combination of pox is there so getting rid of them is um it's a bit of a faff because you need to obviously if you leave the the fox pox and the and the the chicken pox together um they will they'll create a sort of superpox then the grain the grainpox and the chicken so um sadly the only um uh the only sort of cure for this is to try and catch raftpox and riverpox and then sort of it all works itself out eventually great so the myth was a good way to manage chickenpox is to get cowpox pox. That was wrong. That is a myth. That is a myth.

Remember, it's just the orders that I've said following either way, alternately out from the centre or from wherever you have, whatever pox you currently have working out was from there. Alternately, you know, just wait it out. Should be fine, about 10 days. And, you know, if you find yourself itching, just have a lukewarm bath. Great. Myth busted.

Okay, last couple. There's two here, but I'd say they're linked. So these are linked myths. Now, we've all heard this one around the Christmas party season. Oh, no. Get drunk in a barn, no hangover. Yes. How many people have fallen for that a barn, no hangover. Yes. How many people have fallen for that one?

Is that a myth? Right. Okay. Should I just do it straight away? Myth. Myth. Really? Yeah.

Because I subscribe to this one. Really? Yeah. Okay, no. So, mainly the problem is here is that people often get drunk in barns. We've all got drunk in a barn for the sake like i mean like me uh that's that's you know a regular tuesday is getting drunk in a barn

um what happens is usually then people wake up in the barn the next day and what happens is they're too they're too disorientated they've got too much to sort of deal with um to sort of acknowledge that they've got a hangover um you know because of the various things to do if well for starters obviously if it isn't your barn and you know the countryside laws dictate that if you stay more than um you know three nights in someone's barn you have to be their scarecrow for the rest of your life so people are like how many how many days has this been they're panicking uh they want to get out you don't realize you've got a hangover you don't even feel it so that's that's kind of that's where that came from but so you're saying that people are so worried that they're going to become a scarecrow yes yeah um and maybe they look down and they see

a bit of um hay poking out of the out of their collar or out of their cuff and they think it's happening yeah and they have to run and then they start running and then obviously you know that gets the blood pumping that starts clearing the head anyway and by the time they've sort of they've got away from the barn they uh they don't think they've got a hangover but they you know they did they just didn't realize it so in a way i i know what you're saying i know i know you're scientific you know you're a doctor you're scientifically telling us why this works yeah but it works i mean so is it what i'm saying is is that a myth and you know you're telling us it works really you're just saying it works for reasons we don't think about

so much you know you know the times i've woken up after a long night drinking in a barn i'd say about half the time the barn's on fire so you know i'm thinking about that more than my hangover and certainly it's hard to it's certainly hard to to separate the effects of smoke inhalation from a hangover definitely so you know are you saying that that's what was going on there i'm saying yes basically you usually the um the process of falling asleep and waking up in a bar and having got drunk in it yields uh enough trauma that the the effects of the hangover basically pale into insignificance to whatever you're now dealing with, whether it's the fact that you've just committed arson, whether it's the fact that you could spend the rest of your life

as sort of a hay beast whose job it is to sort of look over the fields of England. So really what you end up doing is just, you know, it depends what you prefer. Would you prefer to wake up, feel a bit groggy, go downstairs, watch some repeats of Frasier and have some cornflakes, or would you prefer to sort of be running as fast as you can before either you're caught by the authorities or by a very old law, which means that you have to stay stationary for the rest of your life. But do you see what I mean about the myth is real?

It's not a myth because it works? It does technically work, but not in the way it's sort of suggested, if that makes sense. So I think it's another partially busted, partially trusted. Partially busted, partially trusted. No! Will you make it, Doctor? It's too early to say After all, it's always Christmas somewhere Okay, and finally, connected to that last one

Oh yeah Have sex in a barn, no pregnancy Ah, that was just true No one knows why, but no one has yeah have sex in a barn no pregnancy ah that was just true uh no one knows why but um no one has ever been conceived in a barn uh so so yeah so that's a true that's not a myth uh not a myth 100 true and that is i am a medical doctor myth myth upheld myth trusted yes myth trusted And finally, Dr. Sam, the survey uncovered quite a lot of confusion, maybe, about what exactly a kidney stone is. And I wondered whether you could clear that up and, yeah, just tell us what is a kidney stone? A kidney stone is a gift from a vengeful god, given in return for a life of wanton sin calumny lust envy and greed

a righteous gift of justice uh wrapped not in colorful paper but in tender kidney meat okay a kidney stone is a gift from a vengeful god given in return for a life of wanton sin. Calumny lust, envy and greed, the righteous gift of justice, wrapped not in colourful paper, but in tender kidney meat. A big thanks to Dr Sam Archer for that interview. And if you'd like to see Dr. Sam in the flesh, he is currently touring a live version of his hit TV show, 24 Hours to Save My Genitals, live on ice. The tour begins at London's O2 Arena before visiting Madison Square Garden, the Parthenon, the Great Wall of China, the Taj Mahal and Aylesbury Leisure Centre.

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