Beef And Dairy Network - Episode 86 - Debbie Cook

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

Lola-Rose Maxwell, Clarissa Maycock and Mike Wozniak join in this week as we meet the winner of the 2020 Royal Suffolk Show's Touch The Bull competition.Tickets for our live show on Sunday 18th September 2022 can be bought here: https://www.kingsplace.co.uk/whats-on/comedy/beef-and-dairy-network-podcast-live/Streaming tickets: https://www.kingsplace.co.uk/whats-on/comedy/online-beef-and-dairy-network-podcast-live/ Stock media provided by Setuniman/Pond5.com and Soundrangers/Pond5.com

Hello, before the episode begins properly, just a little announcement. We're doing a live show in London at the London Podcast Festival, which we've now been doing every year for a few years, and it's always a lot of fun. And it's on at 4.30 on Sunday the 18th of September. It's at King's Place in King's Cross. I will put a link in the show description and also on social media to find tickets. Also, if you can't make it to London, because, for example, you live in Australia, you can watch it live streamed. And I'll put a link to the tickets for the live stream on there as well. And it also might be that if you're in Australia,

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episode, we speak to someone who needs no introduction. She shot to celebrity status after winning the 2020 Royal Suffolk Show Touch the Bull competition. It's Debbie Cook. Hi, my name's Debbie Cook and I won a bull at the Royal Suffolk Show. Thanks so much for talking with me today, Debbie. Now, obviously I'm sure the listeners will know your story, but just to recap for any listeners who don't know, back in 2020, you went to the Royal Suffolk show. I guess you just went looking for a good afternoon out.

You weren't thinking you were going to win a bull and become a celebrity. I had no idea that that was the day that would change my life forever. You know, I was having a hard time. I just lost my job and I just wandered along there and saw this touch the ball competition, which in turn changed my entire life. And what was your job before you were made redundant? I used to work in a goth shop in Brighton.

So I was doing piercings for people untrained. You know, I liked it. Um, but unfortunately they had to let me go. I mean, this isn't, this interview isn't really about this, but was it the kind of, we've got to let you go because we need to downsize or was it like, we need to let you go because you've done something, you know, really painful to a customer? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it was actually both. They needed to downsize because I'd done something incredibly painful, which was set the shop on fire. So they actually, the whole of the top floor was gone and it ended up just being a ground floor shop after that, which they've lent into, you know, and I completely respect. There's no hard feelings

from my side anyway. Looking for something to take her mind off her recent arson attack and the subsequent termination of her employment, Debbie went to the Royal Suffolk Show, a classic agricultural show with competitions, huge vegetables and sinister farmers drinking too much lager and saying suggestive things to the woman from St John's Ambulance. Debbie entered the Touch the Bull competition. The rules were simple.

At the beginning, 20 people touch a bull and the last one left touching the bull wins the bull. And were she to win, she'd not just win a bull, but a prize Staffordshire fat hoof. It was best in show bull or biz bull, as we called it um and uh you know he he did not like to be touched at first as well so he was sort of trying to buck people off you know a few people got kicked in the stomach um which which was a lot of fun well that's right it was to begin with it was almost like a a kind of bucking bronco kind of thing you know the thing you might get in a kind of night club you know inflatable floor inflatable bully trying to sit on it whatever but in this case the ball's not inflatable and the floor certainly isn't inflatable absolutely the floor was hard the floor was actually concrete

which is which is quite strange for a county show um but they wanted to do something different you know and i fully respected that and i think that gave it more stakes as well you know sorry for the pun there um but it did make it really intense especially those first few hours um what I think Bisball really kind of showed who he wanted to keep there um because there was only a few of us left after the first sort of three hours well yeah so there were 20 people to begin with. I believe the bull injured 16 in the first couple of hours. A couple of deaths as well, I think. That's right. Yeah. Two deaths, 14 injuries, 12 still surviving. So I guess that makes four deaths actually. But some of those could have been to natural causes after they'd been kicked by the bull. I know that because there are a couple

of lawsuits ongoing. We all keep in touch. you first came to touch the ball obviously you're better off near the front rather than the back right because a lot of those injuries were just hoof in the face injuries basically hoof in the chest hoof in the face in in some cases hoof through the face you know right through just like a like a hole punch you know like chucking a bowling ball at a trifle just bam yeah before we get on to that i think i want to talk a bit more about you know who who were you before all this you've gone on record as saying that that that winning the competition has changed your life but but who were you before that? That's what I want to learn about the real Debbie Cook. Well, you know, I think that's a really great

question because I don't think I knew who I was before this. You know, I was just sort of wandering around going from job to job. I'd done media studies at uni, you know, that should give you some idea. Yeah. you may as well have just thrown 20 grand into a river. Exactly. You know, I was completely listless. I didn't know what made me happy. Unfortunately, as we've heard, one of the things that did make her happy was arson attacks on her places of work. It's a really weird thing. These places, you know, I just kept setting them on fire. And obviously none of this was my fault. It wasn't like I went out of my way to set them on fire, but something in me set them on fire. And I don't know who that was, you know? And that's a

common thing with delusional arsonists, which is what I was eventually diagnosed with. Okay. That's, that's, that's an official diagnosis. It is since, since winning touch the ball, I have understood this about myself, but prior to that, I didn't know that a lot of businesses have been ruined because of what I've done. And I'm aware of that. So let's talk a bit about then, you know, as you say, you've been diagnosed with being a delusional arsonist. This I believe is linked to kind of feelings of low self-esteem, a bad start in life, that kind of thing. Yeah. Where does Debbie Cook come from? That's what I'm interested in this interview,

really getting down to who you are at your core. You're not just someone who burns down shoe shops and won a ball. No. So I think I can sort of trace back my low self-esteem to never knowing who my father was. Um, I had, I had a really small amount of information, um, about him from my mother. I knew that she'd met him in Marbella. Um, I know that he was a balloon artist and that's all I knew so I knew that he was in Marbella in the summer of 1990 and he was a balloon artist and essentially it was a kind of one night fling basically yeah one one to seven night thing she always said and I know that the reason I was conceived is because he used a balloon as a condom. Um, and obviously it didn't work because that's not what they're for. Okay. And, and do you feel this had an impact on who you became as an adult? Do you think? Definitely. I, I always, um, veered away from balloon parties, balloon themed

events. I didn't even really like animals. I would would kind of because that's one step from a balloon animal absolutely um and if ever I saw a blimp in the sky um I would run inside because I just was running away from who I really was you know half half of me is this man who I've never met and I didn't want to know this half of me. And by going and touching a bull, you know, which isn't a balloon animal bull, but it's halfway there. It's a bull. It's a big step for you. Massive, absolutely huge step. And even to go to the Royal Suffolk show was a huge step for me. And I think that was the first few steps that I was taking towards being who I really am. few steps that I was taking towards being who I really am. And I was so ashamed of who I was.

I had nowhere to turn to other than to just grab this bull by the horn, literally. It's a metaphor, but it's also literal. And this was kind of a last chance for you, right? That's right. And I think, you know, if I'm going to get really real with you, that day I'd hit my rock bottom. The day in June, 2020, when I, when I happened upon the Royal Suffolk show. Because there's a lot of dry hay there as well. There absolutely is. And I, you know, obviously I was drawn to it. I think the thing is I was so lonely. Every, every relationship I had, I, you know, I burned those bridges quite literally. I was really, I was living on my own at the time in a bed sit. Um, because obviously I'd had to move so many times because I burned

so many of my flats down. I was incredibly lonely. And do you think subconsciously you would, you were drawn to that county show because there was a good opportunity there to really get some big fires going? Um, or was it something else? I didn't even know why I was being called to the Royal Suffolk show. I didn't know why, but I knew I was. And when I looked into Bisbal's eyes, I could tell there was something more to this and I knew I had to not let go.

I knew I had to stay there because this was my calling. And also at the show, there were a number of competitions you could have taken part in. There was the tug war yeah um there was you know a lot of other bull competitions there was the um the guessing the weight of a bull yeah there's also the one where the bull guesses your weight you know and they get a prize which I liked because it's the other way around you know why do we get to have all the fun yeah but yeah I for reason, I just think touch the bull. It was just, it was something that I knew if I really touched this bull, if I don't let go of this bull, I'm not going to start

any fires. You can't set a bull on fire. It's physically impossible. I looked into it. You can't, they're too dense. You've tried. Of course I've tried. Yeah. You know, how can I not try since then me and Bisbal, obviously Bisbal lives with me now. And you know, of course I've tried. Yeah. You know, how can I not try since then me and Bisbal, obviously Bisbal lives with me now. And you know, of course I've tried to set them on fire at my lowest points and my highest points. You can't, they're too dense. They're too full of water. There's too many stomachs. Well, let's talk about, um, how long you held onto that bull for. Again, I think most of our listeners will be aware of what happened but um you eventually won the competition in november 2021 so that's right about 14 months

later yeah do you have a sense of how long the organizers thought the competition would would take you'd assume they thought it would finish that afternoon, right? You're absolutely right. They definitely thought that. And all I could tell from their confused and what seemed like appalled faces was how impressed they were. Because you weren't letting go. We weren't letting go. We were not going to let go. We know, we, we were grabbing onto this, this bull, this biz bull and, you know, come rain or shine, we just, we just knew we had to stay there. There was no way that once they brought down the bunting and they took the Victoria sponges home, we were going to leave. And at this stage, of course, there's four of you. There's yourself, there's James Whiteley,

and then there's the, um, the german twins who remind me how long did they last another day so it was by day two it was just down to me and me and james and i assume then that you know people are dismantling the county show apparatus around you in a way it's no longer the county show it's just two private individuals grabbing onto a ball. In the middle of a car park, yeah. Yeah. The final two were Debbie and James Whiteley, an older gentleman who had travelled down from County Durham in order to compete.

So it was just us and Bisball there. And that's when you really get in touch with something. You know, that's when it's make or break time. And this might be a bit indelicate really but i think this is what all the listeners will be thinking how do you deal with life's essentials when you're touching a ball i'm talking about eating i'm talking about defecation sure one thing to mention is you do get a five minute break every four hours. So you can pop to the woods, do what you need to do and come back. That's the defecation sorted. With Life's Essentials, I didn't eat for a week. I didn't eat for a full week. But by then we were getting some media attention. Right. attention. And with media attention comes the fans. People would drive up and give us food. It was fantastic. And after a few months, we were getting more and more attention online,

social media, also the local news and wider as well. So we started having brand partnerships with people. Because I believe, you know, you were the face of Mitsubishi, I think, quite early on. Exactly. So, you know, we were there. There was a motorbike, then me, then the Bull, then James. And he was being sponsored by Honda at the time. So there was an extra Honda. Yeah.

You know, there was a lot of stuff eventually that we got surrounded with. And to be honest with you too much stuff because we weren't really in a position to say no we needed those people to bring us water and food and these brand partnerships you're striking up were they were you doing that in return just for food and water or were they paying you with money oh they were they were paying me yeah yeah not that you could really use the money no exactly, exactly. There was nothing I could do with it. The one thing that James and I did do was we bought a Port-A-Loo, which we parked just behind Bisball, because frankly, the bushes were becoming unseemly.

You know, eventually we actually built a little B&B there. I've looked at the TripAdvisor reviews for the B&B. It's a real spread. You know, people saying five stars, brilliant, really enjoyed being so close to the media scrum. Some people saying a lot of literal bullshit, coating the floors on the way know, there is staff, it's just that it happens to be other bulls. And, you know, if you don't want the B&B experience of the bull and bull, we call it, and you don't want to be covered in bullshit and you don't want to be served by bulls, then what are you doing? You know, stay somewhere else. You know, frankly, we don't need that cut that that kind of customer beef and dairy network podcast listener melissa best actually stayed at the b&b during the competition and gave us this review well i booked to stay at the b&b because i got swept up with the touch of all competition and I wanted to see it for myself. I'd become a big fan of both Debbie and James so I was excited to stay at the B&B and while I knew it was ball themed I don't think I realized that the B&B was actually run by balls.

And now I don't like to complain I'm not a complainer but I suppose that presented a few challenges too many to mention really but there is one incident that sticks out in my mind so after we checked into our room which was absolutely caked in dirty hay by the way I mean I don't like to complain but I'm afraid it was myself and my husband went downstairs to the lounge for a drink. Now, I ordered a gin and tonic with lemon,

and my husband ordered a pint of lager. And I specifically remember he ordered draft lager rather than a bottle, so there was really no excuse for what happened next. so there was really no excuse for what happened next. Instead of pouring him his drink from the draft, the ball behind the bar turned round and kicked my husband square in the chest and his lungs came out of his back. Also, my G&T was a bit flat. I mean, I don't like to complain, but there it is. I have to say, though, it wasn't all bad.

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about setting fire to stuff all of the time. And I think he could tell that my mind was somewhere else. And he did not want to have a relationship mind was somewhere else and he did not want to have a relationship with the Bisball and he didn't want to have a relationship with me, but that all had to change because whilst this is an endurance competition, it's more about your mental endurance than it is about your physical endurance. You can get around the stuff, you know, you can learn to sleep with your eyes open, standing up and your arms up. You can, what the stuff. You can learn to sleep with your eyes open, standing up and your arms up. You can. What you can't learn to do is not talk to anyone or be completely lonely for that long, because you've just got your own thoughts to deal with and the

thoughts that you're pushing on to a bull's eyes, which are dark. Have you ever looked into a bull's eyes which are dark we've looked into a bull's eyes because there's nothing but sadness and you can kind of project your own sadness into a bull's eyes can't you it's like you when you look into a bull's eyes you're looking into your own eyes you are because they are actually mirrored as well yeah and so you know you're looking into your own reflection you're looking into your own reflection. You're looking into your own heart, really. So James and I became very down. And I think, you know, we both realized that something needed to change. Not only this relationship as well, I want to make it clear, we weren't constantly arguing with each other, but the media and all the attention we were getting was playing us off against each other, going into our past, you know?

That's it. And you became instant tabloid fodder. You're on the front pages. Who's going to win? How long is this going to go on for? I could handle that. But when they started going into our pasts, that's what really got to me. And they outed me as a bastard of a single mother, of a Marbella fling. And you'd think that these days, obviously, there's no shame in having never met your father. It seems like quite an old-fashioned attitude for that to be a source of shame.

But sadly, it's the kind of thing that the tabloids will run with. Exactly. And they did. They knew how to get to me. I'm a very private person. That's all had to change because you've got to kind of lean into that. So I very much leaned into, okay, yeah, my mum did have a fling in Marbella and that's how I was conceived. Yes, it was with a balloon artist. Yes, she never knew his name. Yes, he used a balloon instead of a condom. And that's, you know, we've all got our origin story. You want to make a movie out of it? Call my agent. But the fact is it's nobody's business. And it made me very angry. And James was going through a similar thing and it actually spurred us on to really connect interesting because yeah

you know the the whole balloon animal thing it sort of um it kicked off this like nationwide hunt for your father which you didn't ask for no and obviously you know that's not a lot to go on who was in marbella in j 1990, who was a balloon artist. Actually, you wouldn't think it, but hundreds of thousands of men meet that description. So if you're just literally just using the numbers, just trying to work, you know, in a kind of guess who way of just knocking down the tiles of people who couldn't have been your father,

you're still left with hundreds of thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands of men have that exact story. And people started coming forward to visit you often coming from abroad you know i believe there was a moment where 20 all on the same plane 20 japanese balloon artists all claim to be your father yeah and you know obviously i wanted to believe it who doesn't want to be japanese but you know at some point you've got to look in a bull's eye and know that you're not a japanese woman um and i had to confront that now i think i'm right in saying that as things moved on as the two of you came under so much more pressure there was a moment where actually things began to thaw and you were able to have

a relationship. It was actually an amazing journey because at one point when I was doing this, when I was looking into the bull's eye and looking back at myself, I realised I wasn't looking back at myself. I was looking through the bullseye, through its other eye, at James. And that's when I realised that he was my father. Now, this all happened and was played out in the news and all this, so that won't be a surprise to many people listening. We know how it all ended um he is your father yeah do you think he did he know from the beginning a part of him knew i'm sure and i think bisbal knew i think bisbal knew all along i think that's why he kicked off all those people in the beginning something Something happened that day.

You know, Bisbal let me see through his brain out of his other eye at my dad. That was the only way that I could understand who my real father was. Because you look at us side by side, we've got the same face. It's very obvious once you know. Very obvious. It's one of those things, once you see it, you can't unsee it. You know, like feminism. know very it's one of those things once you see it you can't unsee it you know like feminism i would say if you if you shaved your head um put in an earring and grew a beard and had that eye

patch that he has to wear and maybe sort of dressed like him so the the female body inspector t-shirt uh and the crocs you're looking at you're looking at James Whiteley. A hundred percent, you know, and I'm proud of that. And I think if I'd really paid attention to him rather than thinking about setting off fires every two seconds, I would have realized that he was making bull balloon animals the entire time we were there and setting them off into the sky because he, you know, was making them out of, he had a helium canister. That's the only thing he brought with him that day. I never, I never looked that far, you know, cause he's on the other side of the bull, which is actually the title of my autobiography. So you're looking through the baseball's eye, it's kind of bouncing off his brain and you're

seeing out of his other eye and through that prism it somehow makes it all clear it pulls away all of everything else and all you can see is like this guy is my dad and then i assume you you know you look up from the bull you look at him just through your own eyes i assume he looks back at you does he know at that moment that you know at that moment we both had a full understanding of what was happening I know that because he just smiled at me and said there's no one else I'd rather lose to than my own daughter which was incredibly emotional. And I wanted to, at that point, let go of Bisbal and just give him a big hug. And I think he could tell because to stop me from doing that,

he engulfed the rest of the helium, what was in that helium canister. He just kind of swallowed it, just opened the canister and it went? Made himself into a helium balloon, let go of his bull and floated away. And I never saw him again. James was found almost six months after he had let go of the bull and floated away. He was found in Iowa in the USA, where his dead body, still full of helium, had been dressed as a cowboy and was floating next

to the forecourt of a used car dealership. A crude mechanical contraption had been set up to make his arm wave. Luckily, his wife Marie said that coincidentally it had been his wish that after he died he should be filled with helium and turned into a floating waving cowboy outside of a car dealership. Funny old world, isn't it? Funny, funny old world. I looked into a cow's eye I felt so much calm I looked into the light It told me the truth

Sometimes you can't handle the truth Stay away from it all day But if you want to know the truth, let the bull be your guide. He flew away with a tear in his eye, you know, and gas in his cheeks. And I'd won, I owned a bull, and I knew who my father was. A bittersweet feeling, I imagine. He was happy. As he went away, he was happy. And he did that so I would win,

because he knew I was about to let go and give him a cuddle and that is an incredible moment of sacrifice I guess many listeners will be thinking why did he string this out for you know 16 months why didn't he just tell you day one hey I'm your father here's I'm gonna let you win this ball now I look back on it I think he was trying to tell me you know he was making these balloon animals um he was saying I think I'm your dad um he was saying that he lived in Marbella he was saying you're my daughter and he was saying all this stuff but I wasn't listening you know I was just thinking I'm gonna set this bull on fire I wasn't listening. You know, I was just thinking, I'm going to set this bull on fire. I wasn't ready to hear it. Right. The fact that the BNB is called the father and daughter BNB, that was a clue, I think, wasn't it?

Yeah. And obviously I just thought he meant a bull and a cow, you know, a bull and his baby daughter, a cow, a dairy cow. That's what it is. It's a B&B, bull and bull, bull and cow. Because it was cow themed, but that made sense. Exactly. That made sense. And I think, you know, had I been a bit more on the bull, again, excuse the pun, I would have maybe picked up on it a bit more. You know, every balloon he made was a picture of me and him or, you know, stuff from my childhood, happy birthdays for all of the birthdays he'd missed. He was trying to make it clear to me, but I wasn't listening. And there's a lesson in that. So, you know, the Debbie Cook of 2022 is a very different woman,

I imagine, than the Debbie Cook of 2020. You know, you've got this huge public profile, you've still got the Mitsubishi gig, and after your father floated away, you're now the face of Honda as well, which doesn't make much business sense, I think, for either of those companies, but, you know, who am I to tell them how to do their advertising?

But you're hugely popular, you've got your book coming out, Bisball's got his own radio show, which I've got to say, again, a pretty confusing listen, but, you know, keep, keep going with that. Yeah. It's Monday morning here on juicy FM. And so, you know what that means? It's time for the big Monday mix with the Bisball music news and chat all presented by a bull right here on juicy Get away!

Oh my God! Stop it! Get him out of it! Get him out of it! Get him out of it! Get him out of it! Oh my God! Come on, this happens every monday get the shotgun these competitions change people's lives and you

know that's that's the message i'm trying to really get out there today is don't be afraid go out there do a touch the ball do a guess my weight do something like that because you really can change your life it's never too late to look in a bull's eye and see yourself for who you really are great well debbie that's a wonderful place to finish thank you so much and give my best to the biz bull thank you a huge thanks to debbie cook for that interview debbie's autobiography he was making bull balloon animals the entire time we were there and setting them off into the sky because he was, you know, he was making them out of, he had a helium canister.

It's the only thing he brought with him that day. I never looked that far because he was the other side of the bull. It's out next week. So that's all we've got time for this month. But for more beef and dairy news, get over to the website now where you'll find all the usual stuff as well as our off-topic section where this month we run down the top 10 ways to convince someone that you're Richard Attenborough, even though you aren't, and he is dead. So, until next time, beef out. Thanks to Lola Rose Maxwell, Clarissa Maycock, Mike Wozniak and Linnea Sage.

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