Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata - Sasheer Is Better at Pilates Than Expected! with Kenny DeForest & David Drake

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

Friends, it's time for….. Besting Each Other with comedians Kenny DeForest and David Drake!  Kenny knew he was going to be friends with David when he saw David crush at an open mic and the crowd went crazy when he rapped an epic freestyle. David loves going on “boys trips” with Kenny, especially their trip to San Antonio, Texas. Kenny loves that David speaks plain and straight to the point. David doesn’t like it when Kenny asks him to be involved in bad sketch ideas while Kenny hates it when David  just says “It’s fine man.” Sometimes… it's not fine!  They both think Kenny would do better on the show Survivor and after multiple tries, in 20 years they both want to be doing well in the industry and have David’s daughter and Kenny's future daughter to be friends.  Together, Nicole and Sasheer determine whether or not they are friends!  This was recorded August 30th, 2023. Check out Kenny DeForest’s new comedy special “Don’t You Know Who I Am?” on his YouTube page https://youtu.be/AbORmRRvtJ8?si=WhxE4yjdxWzql79Q or go to https://www.kennydeforest.com/ Check out all of David Drake’s comedy specials, shows and projects, go to http://www.daviddrakecomedy.com/.   No BuzzFeed quiz this week. Email or call Nicole & Sasheer with your friendship questions and  “Is this weird” suggestion at:[e-mail] Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link https://siriusxm.com/friends and code FRIENDS.

Hi, Sashir. Hi, Nicole. How are you? Good. I did Pilates today. Wow. And how do you feel? Really good. I was scared. I was actually really intimidated because I assumed it would be way too hard for me. Like I was just like, oh, everyone, they all have like muscles I don't have. I just thought it was going to be a really, really, really, really hard. And then I got in there and like, there was like all types of ladies in there. There was like a older lady. There was like ladies with like injuries and they couldn't do everything. There was like,

it was all over the place. Not in my, not in this class. No. Yeah. Okay. But I'm sure, I'm sure they do take the classes.

We're not allowed. No, I'm kidding. What take the classes we're not allowed no i'm kidding uh what's the sign that said no fatties at the door that would be so funny if you're inside and then a fat lady walks up and she's like that's what i thought and had to like walk away pilates is with a machine right you like do stuff on a machine yeah there's uh and there's different kinds of machines i've never seen this particular one the this one had a thing called a jump board where it's like a flat board in front of you and you push off of it and like jump and do stuff like you're laying down your back's like yeah on on a pad i'm on uh-huh And then your feet are

flat on this vertical board. And then you push off and bounce and roll back and forth. It was fun. Interesting. It sounds like fun. I love an exercise where I can lay down. That was the best part. I was like, thank God I'm laying down. I love an exercise where I can lay down. That was the best part.

I was like, thank God I'm laying down. I'm really tired. Go exercise and go right to sleep. Goodbye. How are you? I'm good. I did not do Pilates today. Okay.

But Clyde and I went to CVS. He loves CVS. I love CVS. Boy, oh boy. I put him in his little bag. His little head is out. Everyone goes, oh. And then he's like, he's very excited to greet the people at CVS.

That's nice. It was a nice, calm morning. I've been like running errands since returning back home. And that's been like, you know, nice. Running errands is nice. I'm doing a load of laundry. I got my car washed today. She is what?

Productive. It does feel really, really nice when you're like checking all the things off your list and you're like, good, that's done, that's done. That feels good. Yeah. And I think I might be becoming a morning person whoa i woke up at nine nine before my alarm clock i know nine is not early for some but for me it is early and i woke

up without my alarm clock and i think it's because i went to different time zones where people kept planning things early and i'd be like well i have to be up so now my body's like well you gotta get up for something oh do you think you'll stick to that or i am gonna try because it's nice that i've got so many things done and it's only 3 p.m i have a whole night baby to do whatever this bitch wants well Well, not whatever, cause we are getting dinner. I'm gonna do whatever I want. And I'll fuck off my commitments. And not do a single thing that I'm supposed to do. I'm my own woman, cause I'm a morning bitch now. But we are gonna hang out at night,

cause we agreed to, remember? Maybe I'll build a slide of sorts. You're gonna build a slide at night? I couldn't figure out what I was going to build. I was like, I don't know. Build a slide of sorts. Well, speaking of building, let's talk about two people who built a long-lasting friendship

amongst the two of them. Yes, that was a beautiful segue. Thank you. Honestly, I think you should teach an extension course at some community college about segues. Not a regular university though. Two years.

What? Community college, two years. Yeah. And, and, and it's a continuous class. Like it never ends because i get just like and that leads me to my next point and it just keeps continuing and then everyone's like is this

a scam yeah why is the ending um am i getting credit okay i'll let you talk today we're doing besting each other our game best friends who are not us best friends we do talk to best friends who are not us about their friendship and we put them to the test today we have kenny deforest who is a stand-up comedian writer actor best known for his appearances on late night with seth meyers and the late late show Show with James Corden and his first stand-up album, Bad Dreams, will be number one on iTunes and his new special, Don't You Know Who I Am, is out right now on YouTube.

We have a second person, David Drake. He is a comedian and was featured on Comedy Central, HBO, Sirius XM, and Fox. He is the producer of a weekly comedy show called Comedians You Should Know in New York City. His stand-up special, That's It, will be released later this fall, and you can look for all that info on his Instagram

at davidrakecomedy or his website davidrakecomedy.com. Please welcome David Drake! Here we are with another segment of do you know your friend is your real friend on best friends besting each other long segment name yes sure sure it really does what? I like to have fun. I don't like for people to know what's coming. I am fun. Okay. So first up we have. Yeah, you do it because you're doing it good. I'll do it. Okay.

Okay. The first half of our best friend pair that we have. Very funny comedian. Buddy from way back in the day. And all around good guy. We have David Drake! Hey! Thank you. Thank you for doing that. And good buddy now, I hope. Yes, good buddy now, too.

I think you got the rundown, but we're going to quiz you on your friendship with Kenny and see if you really are friends. And if not, you have to end your friendship you have to end your friendship and move that's a new thing i've added oh just the stakes are getting higher far away from your whole life i'll leave my family all right stakes are high

yeah all right let's hop right into it. One hop this time. How did you two meet? We met in Chicago. We were both doing open mics. And then it's like one of those things where like you are kind of aware of a person before you meet them. We're like, I saw him and we had similar friends. And I was like, I will eventually be friends with Kenny. If not now, sometime soon. Do you know how long it was before you were aware of Kenny before you

actually became friends? I think it was probably like eight months, maybe. Cause I moved to Chicago. I keep a journal, a Kenny count off. Well, like when I got to Chicago, I didn't have any friends at all. I just kind of moved in cold.

And so around eight months was when I started to feel like I had like a an established group so that's like that's kind of what I'm basing that off is when you made all your friends yeah yeah Kenny was absorbed in that eight month uh date do you remember what open mic it was that you met Kenny at? Well, Kenny used to run a show called Speakeasy in the bottom of this like restaurant called Stanley's. And then he also used to run a show at this place called The Spot in Uptown Chicago. And so I would I go to those shows and I would watch and see Kenny. So I go to those shows and I would watch and see Kenny and then he would be at this open mic called the gutter mouth run by this guy, Bill Cruz, who maybe, you know, he's like an L.A. boy now. Well, that was like a fun.

It was like in man. Was it in a bowling mat? No, it wasn't in a bowling alley. It was in just a regular bar so yeah do you remember what like conversation happened where you guys were like oh this feels good like now we're clicking um i really only start specifically remembering Kenny in my life when we went to like Bonnaroo in 2012. And that was where I like really. That's when we started chatting all the time. And so like we became friends eight months in and then it still took another year to strengthen the friendship to.

Yeah. Yeah. To something deeper. Okay okay a little slow burn yeah it took a little while but uh all good things do that makes sense because when you're doing comedy you're like surrounded by comedians who you're like i like you but you haven't like made a in-depth connection yet yeah you don't you're not like people to each other until you actually uh you have to like hang out doing something not not yeah that makes sense uh what is your favorite memory of traveling together i mean kenny and i kenny's been on i think every trip i've taken in my adult life

we do these like little boys trips every year to the woods grown man trips uh my wife calls them boys boys trips so i i just it was just the little that was a little concerning yeah that that's my fault are there children involved with yeah who's actually i shouldn't have said little we're all really big, regular sized trips. So you take your big boy trips. Big boy trips. But I guess once I toured with Kenny once in Texas and we were in San Antonio and we did this like late night walk along the river to that like mall. Have you ever been to San Antonio?

Not in a very long time. Maybe. Oh, it's good. Yeah. Gotta get down there. It's good. There was an outdoor mall there? Is that what you said?

Yeah. So they have a mall that like you can walk out and it's just like this river where it has restaurants and apartments and trees and boats. It's a river. So it's like the grove with the river? You can imagine it's the ocean, skinny, right through a town. So yeah, we had this one long uh beautiful little walk i don't know why this is the specific memory coming up no no uh it sounds like it meant a lot it's very sweet i have so many memories of kenny but this is like the only time that tour was the only time we were traveling just me and him uh and so that was like after the shows we did this like long uh

yeah it was just like no one was around this um it was a good walk nice okay what is your favorite thing about your friend Kenny? What do I like about Kenny? He's really good at bringing drugs across state lines. I think that's an admirable quality in Kenny. Not everyone has the skills. Yeah, some people get caught and go to jail. I'm too scared to do it, but Kenny, yeah, Kenny feels, he feels not, I'm kind of shocked, actually.

Our last trip that we took this year, he brought, it looked like a pound of mushrooms on a plane in his backpack it was it was like this this much was it hidden no it's just like in like this little it looked like uh like a travel case where you'd have like toothpaste and uh a toothbrush and contacts solution. Like a toiletries bag? Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. Here's what I've learned. Nobody cares.

In France, they were like, you have to take out all of your toiletries and put them in one little bag. And if it doesn't fit in this one little bag and you show it to us and it doesn't fit, you got to get rid of your toiletries. And I said, that's not a game I'm willing to play so she said do you have toiletries do you have liquids and i said no i have so many i have bags and bags and bags filled with little little toiletries little little liquids and i went through the thing nobody said a fucking word you

bring anything you want on a plane you just gotta say i'll have it i i feel like you just got lucky i don't want people to like take this advice and be like, well, Nicole said I can bring anything on a plane. And that's that. But I feel like she's right. Because, I don't know. No one's ever questioned anything I've had in my backpack. I've gotten stopped.

Well, I guess I don't't i've mostly gotten stopped for candles and i guess why am i bringing candles but it i don't know if i'm like somewhere and i got a candle as a gift or like i'm giving a gift as a candle i often get stopped and they pull it out and they're like what's this and then they look at it like oh it's a candle but i'm like why every time it's because it's a solid mass it's a solid they want to know what that solid mass is is it like are you gonna bludgeon everyone on the plane what is it i think it's like a stop you it's like a sneaky liquid yeah i can melt it and then and then it's liquid and they don't like that acid and then have a sexy time with everyone on the plane and they don't want that yeah not on a plane no distracting

I came back from Amsterdam I had a bunch of rubber duckies in my bag and they they went through my bag and that lady took out every rubber ducky and she laughed at me uh that didn't feel good oh no that's the only time I've been stopped she took out my shared duck and she laughed at me uh that didn't feel good oh no that's the only time i've been stopped she took out my shared duck and she really laughed wait she just took them out to make fun of you yes yeah i think through the thing they were like these are duck shaped things let's get to the bottom of it let's laugh at her and that's what they did and i had a sonic duck and she really laughed about that it was a, a little heartbreaking for me. Maybe she just wanted to get all your ducks in a row.

Boo! Come on. He's making you laugh. Do you have like a duck collection? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I got a lot of ducks.

I got rubber duckies. I got a tattoo of a duck. I got so many ducks. She loves the duck. I love a duck. Okay. Next question. If you had to guess, what would you say Kenny's favorite thing is about you?

I think Kenny likes how simply I speak. Not that Kenny's dumb or anything. But Kenny, he's said to me before, he likes how I just say things, how it's I don't really doll it up. Like how literal you are. I think like if I'm throwing shade at a friend, it's it just a, I just kind of, he likes word economy. So very few words, simple words. I think that's what Kenny likes about me. Nobody needs a dictionary with you.

No, thesaurus. How do I say that word? Thesaurus. Say it again. No, thesaurus. Thesaurus? Wait, what did you say? Thaurus thesaurus wow that was tough for me you added an extra th sound thesaurus thesaurus you actually added two

it's hard to think of these things on the spot. Yeah. I hope that's not the wrong answer. No, no, no. There are no wrong answers. It's not the wrong answer. Yeah. And then Kenny won't answer. Yeah, we'll see. Then we'll see what the wrong answer is.

What is something that you do that drives Kenny crazy? Like makes him mad or frustrated? like makes him mad or frustrated um the only times kenny has been really mad at me is on on our little boys trips uh we'll be we'll be going on a hike and i'll i'll like wander off a little too far and and kenny will get really mad uh so I guess the answer is wandering off makes Kenny crazy. He likes when you're close. Is it because you're not telling people where you're going? Like, well, we'll just be walking on a straight. It's like a hike.

So it's like there's a trail. And then I'll just get a little too far away just because sometimes you want peace um and uh and then he won't be able to see me for a little while and so he's like oh this is you know dangerous out here yeah and you're all by yourself that was like and so yeah so the only time kenny's ever been really mad was i got a little too far away and then they turned around and then i hiked back in the dark oh my god and they they were like worried and kenny kind of yelled at me and it felt it's kind of scary were you scared when you were hiking back in the dark no i mean i was with one other friend and we had flashlights and it was pretty easy to i wasn't concerned but kenny thought we were dead

yeah scary yeah we were gone probably 45 minutes in the dark yeah where they didn't know where we were. So it's totally understandable. But yeah, I did get that like sinking feeling like when your dad yells at you. Yeah. Yeah. Where you're like, oh, no. Like being in the principal's office waiting for them to call you in. Yeah. I mean, it's scary to wander off alone. What if there's a bear?

Or two bears? Or a family? What if the Bernstein bears are out there? Mom, sister, papa? Okay, a bear family, not just any family. I thought you meant just like a human family. What if there's a human family out there? That's terrifying.

There's children in there? They're looking to absorb you. They're all related? I will say on these trips, I fear running into a family more than I do a bear. Okay, what is something that Kenny does that drives you crazy? Honestly, there's not too much that makes my friend like, my friends very rarely make me mad or upset. However, Kenny, very talented stand up comedian, occasionally he'll have an like an awful sketch idea. And he'll, he'll try to to like what do you think about this and i can see in his eyes that he just he really believes in it and he needs me to also believe in it so i'm like oh yeah and then i now i'm thinking of ideas that are piggybacking this bad idea none of it's going to go anywhere where uh and that can be that can be like uh i guess that's the only moment of tension

and only i feel it and he would never know if i didn't just reveal it to you he's gonna know soon enough i know yeah yeah like he's he's sweeping you the energy's sweeping you up into this thing that you didn't even want to sign on to yeah yeah he has plenty of good ideas too but um you know he's gonna be involved with the bad ones bad ones yeah yeah i don't want a part of that. Which one of you would do better on the CBS television series long running Survivor? It is long running. God, that was around when I was like five, eight. I think it's on season like 37 or something crazy or 42 maybe it's been around my whole life it's crazy um all right uh kenny would do better uh he's always got he's always

sending me uh links to camel packs and like interesting shoes and uh interesting shoes and uh hiking shoes sneakers yeah tevas what kind of shoes yeah hiking shoes um maybe some like shoes that you can walk in the water and then back out of the water adventure shoes adventure i do like an adventure shoe yeah he's brought bear mace on trips before oh smart yeah yeah uh no kenny kenny uh knows that there's some risks and so he prepares for them so he would do better i'm also based on your description of a river i believe that yeah yeah i don't know what a river is i wander off and he's going to do better last question what do you hope you're both doing 20 years from now uh i don't know i i hope we both have some money or one of us has money.

And we're spending one. You think someone needs to make money? All right. If only one can have it, I hope I have the money. Wow. But if we're both allowed to make money, I hope we both have some allowed. Yeah.

I hope we're both not working at a moving company and we um yeah that's that's my goal for us not work in a moving company big yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna challenge you to drink a little bigger than that i feel like that's the goal that could happen in a year what what what What do you see in 20 years? 20 years. 20 years from now, the year 2043. All right. So the world is ash and dust. Me and Kenny, we both got some new adventure shoes. And Kenny's got a face mask for me. And we're walking into it together as the flames lick at the gray burning sky. You want this to be your answer?

I don't know. Where I see myself in 20 years, in a nice house. My daughter is going to a great school. Maybe Kenny has a daughter too and they're friends. Yeah. How was that one? That one's great.

That one's nice. I like that one. We like that one. We'll use that one and not the other one. Yeah. That one was a little bit of a bummer. I don't want to live through an apocalypse. Neither do I.

All right. Yeah. Okay, cool. So we both have daughters and they, they go to their friends. And I love that. That's great.

All right. Now we're going to bring Kenny in and ask the same questions and see if you really are friends. All right, let's do it. Okay. Okay. It's time. It's time! It's time! We're going to test you on your friendship!

I'm so excited! Yes, we have a very good friend of ours, very good friend of David Drake's, and now we're going to test your friendship. Bring it on. I pride myself on friendship. Let's go. It's a funny thing to pride yourself on,

and I like it. That's right. I'm a funny thing to pride yourself on, and I like it. That's right. I'm a great friend. I will see. You are a good friend. Here's the first question. How did you two meet? We met doing stand-up comedy in Chicago.

And my first memory, he remembers from before this my first memory of dave was we were doing the open mic at jokes and notes on the south side of chicago which is a predominantly black comedy club that is now closed um and dave uh was in uh flip-flops and shorts and just crushed. And then the kind of crush where the audience was like, we can't believe how much we like this guy. And then his set ended

and the music started to play and the host wasn't in the room and Dave did not know what to do. And he just started freestyle rapping, which by the way, I've heard him try to freestyle rap multiple times since this, and it is an unmitigated nightmare. It always just devolves to him saying,

"'Suck my dick' a bunch of times, it's not good." But on this night, he caught a flow and he had like four bars in a row that were legitimately good and the crowd just started going crazy and then the host came back on stage was like keep it going for that guy and people were up on their feet and i was like that guy's gonna be my friend oh i love that yeah what a good that's the first that's the first time i specifically remember i'm gonna be friends with that guy because you know you're at

open mics and you see faces but you don't know it's just like there's 50 comics in the room you don't know who's gonna be your friend yet you know that's a good point do you remember when you first hung out just the two of you or like a moment when it was just the two of you were like oh yes we are clicking see that's you know it's kind of hard because comedy friendships you're like, ooh, yes, we are clicking. See, that's, you know, it's kind of hard because comedy friendships, you're always just around comedy, especially early on. You're just like talking in front of open mics. I remember talking to Dave after that set outside of the Shuba's open mic,

which was like the big, like bring your A game open mic. And I remember him and I talking and I was like, and actually what I said to him was, I've been telling people don't sleep on David Drake. And he was like, and actually what I said to him was, I've been telling people don't sleep on David Drake. And he was like, ah, thanks, man. And I was probably trying to convince him to drink with me. And he was like, ah, I'll have like two drinks and go get eight hours of sleep.

I was like, you nerd. Okay, nice. Next question is, what is your favorite memory of traveling together this one is easy um well actually no it's not as easy anymore because now we've traveled together a lot but i'm gonna go with the first time we traveled together um i feel like this is what solidified our friendship we went to bonnaroo together in 2012 and uh it you know changed both of our lives really it was the first big music festival i'd ever been to him to um it was me dave and our friend cameron and uh we did uh

psychedelics for multiple days straight and i remember i sort of realized what I wanted my comedy to look like. I got a reaffirming trip of you're doing the right thing, pursuing this. And then Dave on that trip was the first time he told me about his now wife. And he was like, when I get home, I'm going to shoot my shot with this girl. I really like her, blah, blah, blah. And we got back. And within weeks, they were dating. And I was a

different dude all of a sudden i started dressing differently and um shedding my ozark's roots a little bit and being a little bit more silly and open and not trying so hard to be cool all the damn time and um so that was like a very transformative early trip for both of us yeah i love that that's Yeah, it's beautiful. Okay, Kenny, what's your favorite thing about your friend? Ooh, I appreciate that Dave is exactly who he is and does not, cause he's like, you know, if you don't know Dave,

he's like kind of offensively white, you know what I mean? And in a time where so many of us whites if you don't know Dave he's like kind of offensively white you know what I mean and um in a time where so many of us whites are doing everything in our power to be less white Dave just powers through and just does stand up in Birkenstocks and just can't be bothered to even adjust a single thing about himself and I honestly I think I think it's great. And, you know, I've told him this before, but like there's such a pressure in comedy, especially for the boys

to be filthy party animals. And he's kind of always just been healthy and let everyone call him, you know, every name under the sun for being healthy. And he just kind of stares at you

and keeps eating raw kale out of a bag. And it's just like, hey man, say whatever you want, you know, I'm a healthy boy. And so I appreciate that about him. He's not as like sensitive to like peer pressure.

And I think that's a very admirable trait in a person. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely. Okay, if you had to guess, what do you think Dave's favorite thing is about you um i think i think i make dave feel safe i think um he's said this to me before there's been like situations where maybe we're um uh i can remember actually at bonnaroo we went to this waterfall

and we took acid and um the acid kind of lasted longer than we expected and then the park was closing and we had to drive at night still on acid and he was like i just always feel like you're gonna get me home he's like if you're in charge i'm gonna be okay normally i'd be scared out of my mind and he's kind of said that to me i. I think I'm kind of like a stabilizing rock for him where he's like, everything's gonna be okay as long as he's here. And that makes me feel good to be honest with you. That's nice.

I think so. Okay. What's something you do that drives your friend crazy oh um i don't think dave uh i don't think he likes how insecure i am i don't think he understands why and um i think watching me spiral he's just like you're fucking six four dude stop it you know you've got all the tools bro stop uh stop um not believing in yourself i don't know he literally said to me he goes there's an insecurity there that i just don't i don't understand i don't know where it comes from and it doesn't make any sense and i agree with him i would also like to get to the bottom of this but um in the meantime i'll

just keep driving my friend crazy with my own neuroses. But that's very sweet to have a friend who, like, can recognize that and, like, try to convince you otherwise. Yeah, and I think that's kind of what I mean. Like, you know, masculinity can be very limiting. And I feel like in a lot of ways, Dave is very, you know, because now it's a little more in vogue for men to be in therapy, to be emotive, to not be so hard and tough. But I feel like Dave has never really been held back by that. And I actually don't even mean that as an insult, even though if I said it to his face, I would frame it as an insult because that's how boys communicate. But like he's just kind of always been like, yeah, dude, I have a Frisbee in my backpack.

And if you need to talk, I'm here, man. And I'm not really worried about being cool. So I'll just whatever you want to talk about. It is nice. It is really nice. Yeah. That is very nice. It is nice.

What's something that Dave does that drives you crazy? It's a phrase. And it's fine, man. And like, you know, sometimes it's a phrase and it's uh it's fine man and like you know sometimes it's not fine and uh he definitely thinks you can like just optimistically will life to be the way you want it to be and sometimes it's not fine and we have to adjust what we're doing so that we don't die. A time that comes to mind, one time we had planned to take a little trip with our friend Lisa and our plan was to walk down the beach in Chicago, just take an entire day. We took some mushrooms. We were going to walk down the beach and then it started storming. And I was like, let's go inside and ride out the storm. He just goes, ah, it's fine, man. And there's like lightning everywhere.

And I'm like, it isn't though. It isn't. We can go inside and let the storm pass and continue. So there's just like a little bit of that where sometimes like, I feel like if we were on a hike and there was a bear in front of us with its mouth open, David would be like, ah, it's fine, man. Let's just walk into the bear's mouth

and see if we can reason with it. And it's just like, dog, we can come back later. It's fine man let's just walk into the bear's mouth and see if we can reason with it and it's just like dog we can come back later it's fine man do you remember the scariest moment like that like where he was like it's fine but it actually was pretty dangerous um well we had one recently but he did he he was so bad he was not like it's fine um so that we were actually bonded on that one we were like this is not fine and we survived um but the time i'm thinking of we were on a hike uh i don't know if you mentioned this but we what started as his bachelor party has become an annual guy's trip to a different national park um which is also just hilarious that we have an annual bachelor party even though

no one's getting married and um but uh you know so we go we take psychedelics in a different park every year is basically the what we do and um we were in yellowstone and you know those like acid like those super hot acid pools that are beautiful. They're famous in Yellowstone. If you Google them, you can see them, but there's signs everywhere, highly acidic, no swimming. So we're coming back from a hike. And so the acid pools are like here and then below it is a river, but the acid pools are clearly draining into the river. And we can see our car across the river. And Dave's like, I can go to cross the river and i'll just get the car and pick you guys up and i'm like no man you're not walking across an acid river what are you talking ah it's fine man and like the amount that we had to argue with him to not risk it and just let us take the extra 30 minutes to walk around was insane yeah and uh it's just you know

it's a lot of that energy where it's like, I just don't want you to die, buddy. You know what I mean? I love you, man. I don't want to like watch you incinerate. I would, you know, think about me. Think about what that does to my life now. Yeah.

That would be very scarring if you just watched your friend melt into acid. It's not what I want on my guys trips. I want all the guys, every man out. You know what I mean? Yeah. All the guys get to go home. I'm like a guys trips. I want all the guys, every man out. You know what I mean? Yeah. All the guys get to go home. I'm like a good soldier. No man left behind.

That makes, that makes me think of, um, in who framed Roger Rabbit, that green acid that they would dip the cartoons in. Yes. Do you remember this? Yes.

Did you see that movie? No. Weirdly rewatched that recently. No, I don't know why. Yeah. That was a, it was a terrifying image.

These cartoons were getting wiped out from Toontown. And this man made this green acid concoction and would dump the cartoons in the acid and then they would disintegrate. And it was really sad. And this is a kid's movie? You know, it was kind of a kid's movie. It had a lot movie you know was it it was kind of a kids movie

it had a lot of adult themes in it yeah it was like a weird combo it was like kind of the first adult cartoon that I remember where it was like ooh this is like kind of dark and I remember as a kid it kind of scared me a little bit because all the mafia like Dick Tracy looking guys

this is a lot to look at is that the movie with the sexy rabbit lady yeah jessica rabbit yeah that's not for kids no i yeah i don't think so yeah they had a very i mean i guess there's many sexualized cartoons for that were intended for kids but this one i think particularly was for adults. Yeah. You know, another quick example on this note, real quick, this is the first time that it's fine, man, was like unacceptable.

Yeah. We were in Zion National Park in Utah, which is a desert, by the way. It's like 95 degrees. We're trying to drive up to these waterfalls. We're in rental cars. We get a quarter of the way up. A giant Jeep passes us and they they signal roll

your window down so we do and they're like you're not going to make it in that car you you got to have like an all-terrain vehicle blah blah blah we're like okay so we pull over we park and they're like you know it's about three miles straight uphill and i go well we can't do it we have no water we can't hike three miles uphill. And Dave goes, ah, it's fine, man. I'm good on water. And it's like, you're not though. You're not good on water. No one's good on water. You can't just decide you don't need water in the desert and then hike three miles uphill. Why do I have to debate you about this? So yeah, that's the energy. That's a couple of examples to give you an idea.

Yeah, unsafe. That's pretty wild. Three miles uphill, no water? No, thank you. You wouldn't survive. Speaking of which, which one of you would do better on the TV show Survivor? Ooh, wow. I think it would be me because I'm a little bit,

because Survivor is really about forming alliances. And I think Dave would just kind of float and maybe sort of alienate himself from a little bit of this party and a little bit of this party. And then I think he would just decide he'd rather be home at some point. And this is more of a thing on me. Like I'm a masochist.

So I'm like, bring on the pain. And I think I would just like put myself through more, but like from a, not a healthy place. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'd be like,

I have to win or I'm a loser. And I don't think Dave's is affected by that energy. Yeah. Yeah. Also, he'd probably just fall in an acid pool or something. Yeah, yeah. It'd be time for the

torch ceremony and Dave just like in the ocean swimming, just having a nice day. Just like, I don't care, man. Just play Frisbee, screw this. Yeah. Okay, last question. In 20 years, what do you hope you're both doing?

Wow, that's a really good question. I hope that we are both still still in comedy um in a in a good healthy i hope we're both in a healthy headspace still in comedy not consumed by the industry side of it just enjoying it um collaborating working on things um in 20 years i guess uh i hope I'm going, you know what? I hope I'm going to his daughter Billy's college graduation in 20 years. And we're very proud of her. And Uncle Kenny's got a big old grin on his face.

And I hope that we've both sold some TV shows. And everyone's really excited to see us at Billy's graduation. Everyone's like, is that the guys that wrote the, that's what, yeah, that's what I want. That's what I want. I like that. Yeah, that wrote the that's what I want I like that yeah that's nice

good goals alright that's it we're gonna bring David back and see if your answers match and if they don't you have to end your friendship so sorry sayonara to the boys trips

it was in the fine print you should have just seen but sorry about it should have read the whole email but it was but it was docusign and i i just clicked through and yeah sorry about it you gotta read well this is this is good wait hold on judith is this legal Okay, here it is. The friendship gauntlet. We asked, how did you two beat? David said, we met in Chicago, both doing open mics. And I was aware of him before I met him

uh so I was like I'll be friends with Kenny if not now sometime soon uh and eight months uh eight months of knowing Kenny I became friends uh I moved to Chicago it was cold I had no friends um Kenny also used to run a show called speakeasy at stanley's and a show at the spot in downtown chicago there was also an open mic that you guys uh ran into each other at called gutter cruise it was uh not in a bowling alley it was in a bar and it was fun um and then it hurts to hear you repeat this why well she said it was cold and i had no friends i don't remember saying that you did though you did i said it was cold and i had no friends you said

you said i feel like she's adding details to make it sadder you told us that you were a i. You said you were an adult virgin. You didn't even have a bed frame. You had no curtains on your windows. Everyone said, P.U., stinky guy. And we're just quoting what you said. Yeah, that's what you said. You were like, I was in Chicago with my tiny wiener.

And then Kenny came around and saved my life he made my wiener big yeah kenny did it thank you kenny you did say that you started remembering uh being friends with kenny when you went to bonnaroo in 2012 um kenny said you met doing stand-up in chicago your first memory of dave was during an open mic jokes and notes, which is a predominantly black club, which is now closed. Dave was in flip flops and shorts and he crushed his set ended in the host wasn't around. So to make up the time, he freestyle rap and he's not a good freestyle rapper. But that night he caught a flow in the crowd. Wow.

I didn't realize you were there for that. I sure was. Wow. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. That was a high moment for me. Yeah. A real win. In this cold lonely

cold lonely city. Daddy found a win. I was still a virgin dork but a virgin dork that could rap and my wiener grew three sizes that day that's when kenny decided i'm gonna be friends with that guy um and then uh he remembers kenny remembers talking to people at other open mics and saying, don't sleep on this guy. He's funny. Thank you, baby.

Anytime, buddy. And then we asked you guys, what's your favorite memory of traveling together? Dave said, Kenny has been on every trip I've taken in my adult life. He said, we do little boys trips. Then he clarified and said grown man trips. And a memory that he has is touring, going on tour, just the two of you. And you guys had a stop in San Antonio, Texas.

And he said, we did a late night walk to an outdoor mall. And there was a river with restaurants. It was just a very beautiful walk. And it was just the two of you. And it sounded very sweet. And then we fucked by the river. It was a very beautiful walk and it was just the two of you and sounded very sweet and then we fucked by the river it was a nice night and he was a virgin no more thank you kenny once again for the lovely walk i do remember that that was a really fun that was super fun that was like a little as i recall too i think that was when i was home when my mom first was dealing with breast cancer so it was like a little as i recall too i think that was when i was home when my mom first was

dealing with breast cancer so it was like a much needed little escape to meet up and go do that that was awesome a little texas run well i was thinking of just like times that we've been just the two of us and that run was kind of the only time we've gone on a like a thing that was just us. Was that Texas, Oklahoma, Springfield. And that was just, San Antonio was really way cooler than I thought. Yeah, I love that town. We gotta go.

I guess so. Let's go. Then Kenny said, he's gonna go to the first time that you guys traveled together which was bonnaroo 2012 it was a big festival and uh you guys did psychedelics it was he had a reaffirming trip that he'd be doing comedy uh dave said that he's gonna shoot his shot with his now wife and it just seemed like the beginning of a lot of journeys for you too. Kenny always says that.

But Bonnaroo, I hooked up with a girl there. And I was not thinking about having a wife. But I did like Alex. And she texted me while I was on that trip. But Kenny thinks that I turned to him and was like... You said, and I quote, I'm ready to be in in love that's what you said to me there's no way i said that you said that you got listen it's cold and i'm lonely and i'm ready to be you got your little you got your little hook up and i think you were like okay enough of that and um you said it to me. You were like this, you were looking at the sky.

I don't believe it. Oh, I do. All right. I have the evidence because you're currently living in a house with her. Well, that could happen to anybody. Yeah, maybe you were more romantic than you thought, Dave. Yeah, all right.

Maybe I had a moment of romance. I mean, you were on drugs. That would make you say something like that, even if you didn't mean it. You know what I mean? Okay. I think you probably also told that random girl that brought us water that you loved her. Yeah. I was saying that a lot.

Yeah. I think you told Skrillex that you loved him. Telling a lot of people I was ready to be involved. We asked, what's your favorite thing about your friend? Dave said, Kenny's really good at bringing drugs across state lines. I'm too scared, but Kenny

can do it. He bought a pound of mushrooms on a plane the last trip we took. It looked like a travel toiletry case that he put it in. Kenny said, I appreciate that Dave is actually who he is. You don't know him. He's kind of offensively white. He does stand up in Birkenstocks, and I think that's great.

There's a pressure for boys to be filthy party animals, and he's always been healthy and not succumbing to peer pressure. Well, now I feel kind of bad because that was kind of nice. Like you said, you like me for who I am. And I said, I like that you commit felonies for me. Hey man, that's also nice. Thank you for saying I'm brave.

It was an ounce of mushrooms, by the way, not a pound, that would be obscene. It just looked like a lot. Yeah, it was a lot. It was silly. I mushrooms, by the way, not a pound. That would be obscene. It just looked like a lot. Yeah, it was a lot. It was silly. I got a little cocky. The confidence of white men who evade the law is it knows no bounds. It scared me when you showed it to me.

And then I realized that you brought it on a plane. I couldn't have been more happy and pleased with you but i i was i was like wow that's it that's that's something yeah we're gonna be smarter next year this was kind of a panic last minute decision but i like who you are too oh wow thanks buddy yeah i like it it's a real afterthought yeah it was a person that's pretty good uh we asked what's your friend's favorite thing about you dave said i think kenny likes how simply i speak uh he said to me before how i just he likes how i just say things i don't really doll it up uh and kenny likes word economy like uh yeah maybe literal i still don't know what that means but that's what that's what they said

he just speaks very plainly it makes sense to kenny people be like do you like this and dave will go no i think it's bad and most people would be like, well, you know, maybe if I saw it again, you know, there's none of that. This is bad. This is good. You're an idiot. Just writes everyone's face. Yeah.

It's pretty remarkable. And then Kenny said, I think I make Dave feel safe. He said to me before, he said this to me before at Bonnaroo when we were taking acid at a waterfall. Dave said, I feel like you're always going to get me home. I'm like a

stabilizing rock for him. I mean, that's I feel like that's fair. Kenny is safe. Yeah, I mean, you're tall and strong and when I'm around you, I guess I feel like it's going to be okay.

That's nice. That is nice. You better say that. It's a nice thing to feel about you. I'm taking you back to the river in San Antonio. That's right. Don't leave me by the river again, Kenny. You keep talking that nice talk,

and we're going back to that river walk, baby. Yeah, this really safe man is full of threats today. I don't feel so safe. We asked, what's something you do that drives your friend crazy? Dave said, the only time Kenny's been really mad at me is on our little boys

trip on a hike. I will wander off too far. Wandering off makes Kenny crazy. I will wander off too far wandering off makes kenny crazy i just wander off a bit sometimes because you know you want some peace and he gets worried because it's dangerous and he got mad because i hiked back in the dark and kenny was worried he thought i was dead and i was with another friend but we were gone for 45 minutes in the dark uh and when he yelled at me i got that sinking feeling sinking feeling like when you're at the principal's office and the principal's yelling at you. And then-

I do have big dad energy, that's true. And that's, it turns out I learned a little something about anxious attachment styles when I heard you read that back to me. Wow, interesting. Well, it also plays in probably to the safety I feel to have someone who's so concerned about me lost in the dark.

That's right. And I think you'll find my answer really plays into your answer. Go on. Yes, Kenny said, I don't think Dave likes how insecure I am. I think him watching me spiral makes him want to say,

you need to start believing in yourself. Kenny does want to get to the bottom of this, but in the meantime, he's just going to drive him crazy with his neuroses um oh sorry there's one more bit masculinity put you in a box but dave has never been affected by that he's always just himself kenny you're so kind to me aside from that river thing uh you've been really nice but um yeah i mean your neuroses don't really bother me because um you know we all we all have those uh so i actually don't mind talking through friends problems because uh it it always helps me look at my own problems when a friend has like

something going on with them because more times than not it also applies to you know feelings that you have in yourself yeah that's very nice of you to say david oh thank you kenny i don't know what this podcast is supposed to be. Sincere. No, we like sincerity. We like hearing people talk about the love they have for their friends. Yeah.

It feels like a real will they, won't they on this episode. And we know the answer is you already have. Will they, won't they? They did. There is a strong sexual undercurrent. And it's not just my shirt. We asked, what is something your friend does that drives you crazy? Dave said, honestly, there's not much that my friends can do to make me mad.

However, occasionally Kenny will have a bad sketch idea. He'll ask, what do you think of this? And he needs me to believe in it because he does. And I can see that the idea is not going anywhere, but he also has plenty of good ideas. I just don't want to be a part of the bad ones. And then Kenny said. We're going to jump right out of that. Unless you want to comment on it.

No need to elaborate further. We'll be elaborating. Go on. Off air. No need to elaborate further. We'll be elaborating. Go on. Much like Sashir, Dave, you have something coming to you.

Oh, no. Kenny's full of threats for now. Two thirds of the other people on this podcast. That's right. And then Kenny said, it's a phrase called, it's fine, man. Sometimes it's not fine.

He believes that sometimes you can will life into what you want. And sometimes you can't. One time our plan was to walk with our friend Lisa on mushrooms and it started to storm outside. And Dave was like, it's fine, outside and dave was like it's fine man and i was like it's not it's storming outside we should go inside uh there's actually many examples of this then there was a type of time where we were on a hike in yellowstone and there were acid pools and we were coming back from a hike and the acid pool was draining into the river

dave said he would walk in the river to get to the car and we had to talk him down just to walk around we'd rather walk an extra 30 minutes to get there safely then i'm glad we did but to be fair it wasn't like an ad like you could tell the river was fine anyway sorry i don't mean to interrupt but there's one more example in zion national park in utah um you're oh you're going into the park and you were told that the car wasn't gonna make it up the hill it was hot outside and they were you were told you could hike three miles uphill in the heat and dave was like no i'm good on water like i don't need we can make the hike even though you had no water in the heat and Dave was like no I'm good on water like I don't need we can make the hike even though you had no water in the car and he kept saying

it's fine and Kenny believes it was not that's fair it was too hot you do need water yeah you need water on a hike it's a cornerstone of life sorry

we asked which of you would do better on survivor dave said kenny would do better he's always sending links to camel packs and interesting shoes hiking shoes shoes you can walk into the water adventure shoes kenny knows that there's risks so he prepares for it kenny said i think it would be me because it's about forming alliances and i think dave would just float and alienate himself from you know the people there and i think he would just decide to go home and i think i'm a masochist so i could put myself through more pain oh so you think i would just just leave yeah i don't think you'd care i think like you would just like? Yeah, I don't think you'd care.

I think you would just go swimming when everyone else is forming alliances. It's a million dollars, Kenny. That's true. It is a million dollars. I'm going to play. You're like, I'll just try. Yeah, yeah. But you did both agree that it was Kenny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think Kenny would be better although now that i remember what survivor is you are like a capable person and i think that hurts you because i think they get rid of the capable ones right because that's like a threat to themselves yeah they vote they vote people out there. Now that I remember the game of the show, I believe in myself a little bit better. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Less capable, but easy to get along with.

So non-threatening. They'll keep me around longer. Yeah. Plus you'd have your bandana on, and that just kind of looks right. Yeah, less skills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All looks, less skill. All looks, less skills. I all looks less skill all looks less skills i think

that goes pretty far in survivor yeah okay and then the last question we asked was what do you hope you're both doing in 20 years from now and i'll read kenny's answer first kenny said i hope we're still both doing comedy we're both both in a healthy head space, not consumed by the industry side of things. And we're collaborating with each other. And I hope I'm going to his daughter, Billy's graduation. And we've both written some TV shows and people are really excited to see us there.

And they're like, Oh, look at those guys. We wrote those things. And then Dave said, all right. I feel like I had a stroke during this question. I was, like, thinking about it after I said it.

I was like, what a bum. Oh, I cannot wait. I put it on a podcast. All right, whatever. It was very much like you couldn't imagine the future. Yeah. Like, even for yourself. Is, like, the world world is gonna go on past today

i mean to be honest my first thought was kenny laying flowers on my grave oh my god 20 i didn't say that well you know okay this is what you actually said first he said i hope we both have some money or one of us has some money or if one of us has the money, I hope it's me. I hope and I hope we're both not working at a moving company. And then I said, I'd like to challenge you to think of it a bit more in the future. in the future and then he said in 20 years me and kenny got some new adventure shoes a face mask and we're walking into the world as it burns up before us in some post-apocalyptic reality and then we said please answer again and then he said i hate this i mean this is your answer you said it i i needed more time and then the one that he wanted to declare as the real answer was uh both of you being in a nice house uh both of you have daughters that go to school together and are friends. And that's it.

And that sounds nice. Yeah. That was the nicest one. Yeah. There you go. It was good. Eventually you got there. Sorry about the other ones.

Yeah. Those ones hurt me a little bit. Oh, God. We all make mistakes and think about them. One of us to make money. So I'll be thinking about this. I think the verdict is you guys are friends. Yeah.

You definitely have a relationship where you need each other. Someone needs to take care of Dave. We all bring a little something to the table. And Dave has fun bandanas yes and more and more no you guys are clearly you're clearly

friends and you can stay friends we'll allow it you can stay alright another year another guys trip let's go yeah little boys trip you can stay friends we'll allow it thank you you can stay thanks all right another you're another guy's trip let's go yeah little boys trip more little boys trips dave did you have anything you wanted to promote specifically um i have a new special coming out in fall called that's it and so you can keep an eye out for information on that um at my instagram david drake comedy or my website david drake comedy.com great and kenny what would you like to promote so i have uh my newest special

don't you know who i am is now free on youtube um and then the audio only version has 20 plus bonus minutes of material and you can stream that anywhere you get your albums. And follow me at Kenny DeForest on Instagram or TikTok. Or yeah, those are the two I care about. Perfect. Thank you guys so much for doing this. Yes. Thank you for doing this.

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