Betrayal - EP 9 - Donielle, Part 1

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Donielle’s idyllic midwestern life descends into chaos when the FBI raid her house, searching for her husband and two of their family friends.   If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team..., email us at betrayalpod@gmail.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:21 and the deceptions that change everything. One night in 2017, Danielle Oliver Chauvet was awoken by the FBI and state police. They were pointing guns at her, demanding to know where her husband was. That night she learned the man she had spent 20 years with was hiding some very big secrets. This is Danielle's first time telling her story. She's been reluctant to share what she went through because as you'll hear in part two, her husband has other victims. She wants to be respectful of their experience
Starting point is 00:02:58 and suffering, but this episode isn't about her husband's crimes. It's about the 20 year marriage Danielle built with him, the ways he deceived and violated her, and the shocking betrayal that ended it all. It's also the story of being totally in the dark about your partner's double life. I used to watch Lifetime shows,
Starting point is 00:03:20 and I used to be that person saying, oh, she had to know something. So I totally understand why people say things like that. But until you are actually walking in those shoes and living with a person who can be completely double-faced, living a completely separate life, all I know is the life that he had with me and our kids. That's all I saw. He was able to do everything else completely separate.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Danielle grew up in a happy tight knit family in California. Family is very important to me. We were just over at my parents, all of my siblings, and we all just get along really well. There's hardly ever any arguments within our family, and when there is, it's resolved within the day. Growing up, Danielle's parents were her role models.
Starting point is 00:04:18 They had a respectful and happy marriage. It was an environment that nurtured her easygoing and trusting nature. I had a really good childhood and so I didn't grow up with a lot of strife or bad things happening in my childhood where that trust was broken down. She was raised with a strong sense of faith. That's still one of her core values. I know some religions can be like really strict. You can do this, you can't do this. I wouldn't even say that mine is a religion. It's a relationship with Christ. Danielle's one of those rare people who loved high school.
Starting point is 00:04:56 She was popular and she had a long time high school boyfriend named Billy. When we were teenagers, everybody thought for sure that we were just gonna be together forever. You know, we were the thing. Right before their senior year of high school Billy proposed to her and she said yes. But then... I actually had to move to Hawaii because my dad was working for the military and we moved there. She ended up spending her senior year in Hawaii. Then she got accepted to college in Illinois.
Starting point is 00:05:28 She was ready to start a new life there, without her high school boyfriend. Giving up her first love was hard, but she wanted to prioritize her independence. Danielle thrived in college. She loved her major, which was art, and she also loved going to Bible study on campus. That's where she met Chad.
Starting point is 00:05:50 He was raising his hand and answering the questions like right away, and he was answering the way I would have answered those questions, right in line with the way I believed. So I was attracted to that. Immediately, she knew Chad was special. The first time I met him, I said to my parents when I got back that I was going to marry him. So it was pretty much love at first sight. She felt comfortable around Chad. It was easy, like they'd known each other for years. We actually met at my parents' house and watched a couple movies. and I made him lasagna and he changed my oil in my car.
Starting point is 00:06:28 That was our first date. From the start, Danielle was serious about Chad. When I'm dating someone, I'm deciding whether or not this person is the person I want to marry. So I was looking for specific things that I wanted in a husband when I was dating him. And Chad checked all the boxes. There was lots of things. He grew up in a Christian home. He had a good relationship with his parents. He was business minded, like he was able to support me. Everything about him felt right.
Starting point is 00:07:01 He was pursuing a degree in finance. He had dreams of starting his own business, and like her he also wanted a big family. But most of all she just loved being around him. I had fun with him you know we would laugh about lots of things. I was just attracted to the way I felt around him. While they were dating he went above and beyond to woo her. Something about Chad you have to know, he likes to do everything big. It always has to be the best and the grandest and the most showy.
Starting point is 00:07:33 It's not who she is, but Chad said she deserved the best. And it was flattering. After about two years of dating, he made a particularly grand gesture. He bought her an expensive dress, rented a limousine, and took them to a dinner theater. And during that intermission, he excused himself. I thought he was going to use the restroom. But he actually, it turns out, had set up beforehand with the theater that he would go on stage and ask me to marry him from the stage.
Starting point is 00:08:05 And then he got down on his knee and yeah, it was quite the show. She said yes. He brought her out of her comfort zone and it felt like a fairy tale. I was 100%. This is the one I'm going to spend the rest of my life with. Chad was involved in every step of the wedding planning, which Donielle loved. And he also wanted to go to pre-marriage counseling to discuss their expectations. We discussed who would be the breadwinner in the home, you know, what would be the different
Starting point is 00:08:36 roles of both husband and wife as far as who did what in the household. It was thoroughly discussed how our marriage would go before we got married. I mean as far as you can. We did know that I wanted to be a stay-at-home mom so that was talked about. Danielle had been managing her own money in her early 20s and although she was good at it, it was a relief to be marrying someone who had expertise in finance. It made her feel safe. And so they agreed that while she would manage the household, Chad would manage the money. And I had full trust in Chad to be able to do that too because of his business degree. He was really good at money. And he went to school for it. I didn't have any, you know, worries about him taking over the finances for the family.
Starting point is 00:09:24 I didn't have any, you know, worries about him taking over the finances for the family. She was happy with this arrangement. She's a do-it-yourself kind of person. It's an attitude that's well suited to raising kids and running the household. My dishwasher broke down several years ago and I wasn't about to pay somebody because I'm going to figure out how to fix it. I laid all the flooring in the house that I'm in right now. I didn't know how to do that, but I looked it up. Just went on YouTube and figured it out. You know? So I'm that type of person.
Starting point is 00:09:52 After they got married, the couple decided to move to Chad's hometown in Illinois. To call it a small town is an understatement. The entire population could fit in one high school football stadium. Well, the town we live in, Erie is only 1900. It's small. Small but perfectly suited to the life that they were building. A life that centered around family and community. Plus, Chad had grown up there, so he knew nearly everyone in town.
Starting point is 00:10:22 And everyone seemed to adore him. In fact, he'd been the high school valedictorian. Once they moved back to Erie, the couple also joined Chad's church, the church he grew up in. We were really involved with that church, and his parents went to that church too, and we led a Sunday school together as a couple. Their life was falling into place. A happy marriage, a strong foundation based on shared values, a community that supported them and a church they felt welcomed by. And Chad was making progress in his career.
Starting point is 00:10:55 He began the certification process to become a financial advisor. He wanted to start his own firm. He did it all online. Like, went through classes online and got his certificate online and all that. She was proud of him. And for the time being, she kept working too. I also worked for the post office for a little bit.
Starting point is 00:11:18 But that was not part of our marriage plan. I didn't want to be a working mom. I wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. Pretty much as soon as we got married, we started trying. But conceiving their first baby didn't happen as quickly as Danielle hoped. The months turned into a year. And during that year, Chad made a shocking confession.
Starting point is 00:11:41 He came home from work and sat me down and said, I need to tell you something really important. And just said, I had an encounter with a guy in the bathroom. And I think we need to go see somebody and talk to like a counselor about it. And so I was just like, what is going on? It just blindsided me like, what just happened? She asked him point blank if he was gay. He said no, he wasn't. She wanted more details about what actually happened, who it was with, and what they did.
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Starting point is 00:12:51 A woman dressed in a long red skirt pointed a.45 caliber pistol at the president. These are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. And the two assassins had never met. One was a protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. assassinate a U.S. president. And the two assassins had never met. One was a protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. She is 26-year-old Lynette Alice Fromm, nicknamed Squeaky. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover
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Starting point is 00:15:21 Taking better care of yourself is just a click away. and soul. Taking better care of yourself is just a click away. Danielle was shaken and confused about her husband's confession to a one-time fling. But at the same time, Chad was doing everything he could to make it right. He confessed to it immediately. He wanted to get help. And most importantly, he was coming to her with sincere remorse. He was crying. I was crying. He was saying, sorry. Chad wanted to get help quickly, and so the next day they did. We actually went to the pastor and asked for advice about who we should see as a marriage
Starting point is 00:16:01 counselor for us. We were given a name of a Christian counselor. They had multiple sessions with the counselor, some sessions together as a couple and some separately. During a one-on-one meeting, the counselor gave Danielle some advice. He advised me, you should really think carefully about this marriage. You know, you actually have a right to end this marriage
Starting point is 00:16:27 if he is being unfaithful to you. The counselor said he'd seen a situation like this before, and he wanted Danielle to know that divorce was an option. I understood that. I knew that that's something that it's perfectly fine for me to file for a divorce, but I didn't want to. I wanted to make this marriage work. I didn't even want the word divorce to come up in our marriage. Like, when I made a commitment in our
Starting point is 00:16:55 marriage at the, you know, wedding ceremony, my promise was a promise. I didn't take my vows lightly. In sickness and in health, a richer for poorer, I was gonna walk through it with him. I wanted to help him resolve whatever it was that he was going through because I loved him and I wanted our marriage to work. This one infidelity, it felt small and manageable, especially compared to the years they'd spent together.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Getting to know each other, studying the Bible together, and building a life. She really trusted Chad. I felt like I could 100% trust him, even though he had done whatever he had done. I believed him 100%. They got a workbook on overcoming infidelity, and even did the homework together.
Starting point is 00:17:45 And they decided to lean on their faith to help them rebuild their relationship. Church became an even bigger part of their lives. He was an elder in the church. We jointly were leaders for kids' Christian camps. We were very involved in our faith. Their marriage began looking up, especially when a year later they welcomed their first baby, a baby girl. She was an amazing first child, super easy baby. Smiling all the time, happy, alert.
Starting point is 00:18:19 It was a great, great first mom experience. Danielle was on top of the world, so filled with love for her first daughter and her young family. It confirmed to her that she really did want to be a stay-at-home mom. She just felt whole. People that we meet walking through a mall always stop and say, oh, you have the cutest baby. She's the cutest thing I've ever seen and your family is so cute. The difficulties she and Chad faced
Starting point is 00:18:51 in the first year of marriage started to feel like they were in the rear view mirror. At that point, I felt totally in love with him and close to him. I felt like I had the perfect life. That baby would be the first of six. I knew that you would get pregnant even when you were still nursing
Starting point is 00:19:13 and before you had your first cycle after pregnancy. I didn't think it was gonna happen to me, but it did. Soon, Danielle's life became consumed by full-time childcare. As their kids got older, she started homeschooling them, and she loved every minute of it. I wouldn't have it any other way. I know a lot of people are like,
Starting point is 00:19:32 wow, six kids, that's a lot. But each one of them is unique, it has their own personality. Each of them is just amazing. I love it. I absolutely love it. With a growing family came more financial demands. But luckily, Chad's business was taking off. They even had the ability to
Starting point is 00:19:53 upgrade their house. He had been starting to look at this property that he really wanted. It was a huge house, way bigger than we needed. Enormous, huge living room, huge family, huge living room, huge family room, huge dining room, huge, huge master bedroom. You know, basement that looked like a bowling alley. And so he started looking at it and dreaming about it and eventually decided that he was going
Starting point is 00:20:16 to try to purchase it. Danielle didn't think it was the most practical choice, but the house made him happy. After they moved in, he tried to tell her how to run the house, but she stood her ground. She trusted him to handle the finances, so when it came to the housework, he needed to trust her. He wanted me to do things a certain way, like do laundry on a certain day, do the dishes on a certain day, or you know, do dusting on a certain day. And I was like, no, I will do it when it needs to be done. When I see that it needs doing, I'll do it.
Starting point is 00:20:53 And there were a lot of things that needed dusting. Chad was a collector. It was a quirk that Danielle accepted. Precious moments figurines. And he was very much a Hallmark fan, so he had millions of Hallmark ornaments. Tons of DVDs. I mean, we had two huge walls full of DVDs. They loved watching movies as a family. And after the kids went to bed, the couple would watch their favorite TV shows. Dexter and Breaking Bad. Every summer, Danielle, Chad, and their six kids would take family road trips.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon, Mount Rushmore. We hit all the tourist places in the United States. We had a lot of really fun times as family. On these trips, they'd stay in huge rental homes. Chad always wanted the best of the best for the family. And they were very nice, very nice rented houses. Some of them I was like, okay guys, don't touch anything. You know, like expensive paintings on the walls and glass decorations.
Starting point is 00:22:10 One summer, about 15 years into their marriage, the family was on one of their regular road trips. And on this trip, their rental home was in a remote area. I woke up around 3 in the morning. I know it was the middle of the night. All the kids were asleep. And I got up to go to the bathroom or something and turned over and he was not in bed with me. I looked around the house to see if he was just up somewhere. He was not there. I went out into the garage area.
Starting point is 00:22:44 The car was gone. So I started being like, where did he go? There was no note as far as he left somewhere. He didn't leave a message on my phone. He was just gone. It was the early 2000s, so she didn't have a smartphone to look at his location. She started to worry that something terrible happened. So I started calling around to the hospital around the area. Is there any Chad Skipper admitted into this hospital? No ma'am. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Call the next hospital. Around 3 a.m. the phone rang. It was Chad. And he said he was at Walmart. I was like, okay, said he was at Walmart. I was like, okay, why are you at Walmart? I just thought I would pick up some stuff. But you know, you can kind of tell when somebody's calling from the middle of a store,
Starting point is 00:23:35 you can hear the hum of everything. There was no shopping cart sounds, no cashier beeping and stuff. There was none of that. It did not sound like he was in a shopping area. I hung up the phone and just was like, what is happening, I don't understand. It says he's on Walmart, but it's hours away. That doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 00:24:00 And I just sat in confusion, shaking until he got home. When Chad got back, he tried to explain it away. He apologized and said, I'm sorry I didn't tell you where I was going. Everything's fine. You're good. The kids are good. I'm back.
Starting point is 00:24:15 We're safe. He blew it over. Whenever they got in a disagreement, this is what he'd tell her. It's a favorite phrase was, don't make a mountain out of a molehill, you know, you just get really emotional about things. It's okay, you know, calm down. Always made me feel like I was crazy. Abandoning the family in a rental house in the middle of the night with no good explanation,
Starting point is 00:24:46 it just didn't sit right with her. So Danielle called her mom. She was like, oh wow, yeah, that is really weird. I'm glad you're okay and I'm glad it all worked out, but that is really weird. Danielle was the full-time caretaker for six children under 15. She didn't have the energy to fight with her husband. I didn't confront him. That's one of my personality quirks is I don't like confrontation.
Starting point is 00:25:10 I would rather just not talk about it than have a huge argument about something, which is not healthy. I think it's much healthier to communicate and work it out. But at that point, I just didn't want to deal with it. Plus, whenever she did question him, it always ended up coming back on her. On the rare occasions when I would ask questions, I would be shut down and told I was crazy or that is totally not how it went. told I was crazy or that is totally not how it went. You have blown this out of proportion and you don't remember the actual facts that actually happened.
Starting point is 00:25:51 This is how it actually happened. This summer, a lone gunman on a rooftop reminded us that a man was dead. And he was dead. And he was dead. And he was dead. And he was dead. And he was dead. And he was dead. And he was dead. This summer, a lone gunman on a rooftop reminded us that American presidents have long been the targets of assassins. Nearly 50 years ago, President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than
Starting point is 00:26:18 three weeks. A woman fired a shot at President Ford. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim. A woman dressed in a long red skirt pointed a.45 caliber pistol at President Ford. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victor. A woman dressed in a long red skirt pointed a.45 caliber pistol at the president. These are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. And the two assassins had never met. One was a protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson.
Starting point is 00:26:41 She is 26-year-old Lynette Alice Fromm, nicknamed Squeaky. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in the violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jane Moore. Sarah Jane could enter into these areas that other people couldn't. A spy, basically. The story of one strange and violent summer. This season on Rip Current. Listen to Rip Current on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen
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Starting point is 00:29:07 I felt like I was living in North Korea, but worse, if that's possible. Listen to Spiral on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When Danielle woke up on a family vacation to find her husband missing, he said he was picking up something for work at a Walmart in the middle of the night. She didn't quite buy the story, but she knew Chad was busier than ever, growing his financial advising firm. Around the same time, he decided to start making passive income by buying rental properties in town. It started with one small house, then two,
Starting point is 00:29:47 then an apartment building in their hometown. He was so busy that he often worked from home at nights. He renovated their basement to become his home office. He even put in a king-size bed. I didn't understand why you would need a bed in your office but he insisted on having it and his reasons were that if he needed a nap he could just hop into bed and take a quick nap and then get back to work. It bothered her, him staying up late like this and sleeping in his office. It also bothered her that he locked the door. He said it was a security measure because he had important financial documents in there.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, well, how do you work at night if you are a financial advisor? You can't meet with clients at night. So it was just very confusing to me. And I do remember one time just crying my eyes out to him saying, I really want you to sleep with me, you know, at night. I just feel closer to you when we're sleeping together. I feel like we're more like roommates. He started coming to bed with her until she fell asleep. Then he would slip out and go back to work. She would only realize it when she woke up
Starting point is 00:30:58 and found him gone. One night, I actually got up out of bed and was knocking on his basement door and I heard no answer and so I actually got in the car and was driving around thinking maybe I would see his car somewhere I never did. But I got to that point where I was like starting to look to see if I could find anything. She never found any proof that her husband was cheating or having an affair. She didn't have the energy to start a fight with him. He insisted on sleeping in the basement.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Eventually, she became resigned to the fact she couldn't change his mind. At that point in our marriage, I felt very distant from him. I felt like there was a wall up and we never would discuss anything. If I ever wanted to talk about anything, it was always, I'm too tired. Or can we talk about this tomorrow or let's talk about this this weekend? But nothing ever got talked about. In this period where Chad was sleeping in the basement office and they were bickering,
Starting point is 00:31:59 Danielle knew that their marriage needed to improve. So she sought help for herself. I actually went and saw a counselor a couple times on my own because I felt like me having these issues with our marriage was kind of my fault. I felt like there was something wrong with me not feeling close to him. But I wanted our marriage to be a really good marriage
Starting point is 00:32:25 and I didn't feel that it was a good marriage. She even suggested they try counseling again as a couple. But this time, Chad resisted. He refused to go to more than one or two sessions with me. He felt like it was useless or he didn't wanna tell somebody else our problems. With each passing month, Chad spent more and more time out of the house, renovating the rental properties.
Starting point is 00:32:55 And some nights, tenants would call with emergencies. There would be nights where he would say, oh, I got to go. There's a sewage leak. I have to go really quick and fix the sewage leak. Despite their rocky few years, she still trusted him. She had to. You can't have a marriage without trust. It doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:33:17 You know, if one of the partners say, I'm gonna go do this outside the home, you have to trust that they're actually doing what they're saying they're doing. Like if I say I'm going to go shopping, he has to trust that I'm actually shopping. If he says I'm going to go to fix the sewerage system in his apartments, I have to trust that he's actually doing that. Otherwise, there's no relationship.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Plus, the rental properties added financial security to their lives. She believed that at the end of the day, he was working so hard in order to provide for the family. She often overheard him practicing conversations he needed to have for work. He had this weird quirk where if he was going to have a conversation with somebody, he would write down the conversation that he was going to have and then memorize it. And then I would often see him like pacing and doing weird things with his hands and with his mouth. I think he was like rehearsing in his mind how the conversation would go and what he would say in response to their responses.
Starting point is 00:34:19 There was one big meeting in particular Chad was preparing for. It was with an older couple that went to their church. A couple that taught Sunday school. They had known Chad for nearly his whole life. And they were wealthy. Chad set up a meeting with them to pitch his financial advising services. He was trying really hard to get them to be one of his clients. In the end, they decided not to use him. He was dejected.
Starting point is 00:34:47 He'd been counting on their business. After that meeting didn't go as planned, he started talking about selling his financial advising business, and instead, getting into the storage industry. There's a little plot of land that would be perfect for storage units. So he had said, you know, we're going to buy this land over here and I'm going to start building storage units. And so we need to set up this LLC.
Starting point is 00:35:13 He wanted Danielle to sign paperwork to help set up the business. If we have you as the president, then it's better for taxes because you're a woman. He asked her to go to the bank with him that day to get it set up. And there, out in public, she noticed that her husband looked disheveled. He was not bathed. He didn't shave.
Starting point is 00:35:37 I was surprised that he went to the bank in the state that he was in. I just thought, well, he must be so tired. He's trying to sell his financial business and he's trying to get these storage units ready and he's not getting much sleep so he just must be really stressed out. Later that day one of Donyale's kids came to her. He said that last night he'd seen something strange in the driveway of their house. One of my children said that he got up and saw his dad dressed all in black. And he said that it seemed like Chad was mad at him because he yelled at him to go back to bed.
Starting point is 00:36:16 This was alarming because another one of her kids had confessed something bizarre. The night before that, he had actually told my oldest child to wrap a sledgehammer that we had that had a really bright yellow handle and black electric tape and find a black raincoat for him. And she was like, OK, Dad. Immediately, she tried to get in touch with Chad, but he wasn't answering his phone. After they went to the bank, he'd left the house to work on a rental property.
Starting point is 00:36:52 There were several rental places that he owned that he was either renovating or was currently renting. I texted him asking if he could call me as soon as possible. I was starting to feel like, okay, what's going on? I hope he's okay. I hope he's not in an accident. He called shortly after and explained that he had accidentally fallen asleep at the rental and that he was still feeling a little disoriented, but reassured me that he was fine.
Starting point is 00:37:21 If it sounds like Danielle is reading off of a piece of paper, it's because she is. She's reading from a written statement documenting this day. Nothing is as it seems, absolutely nothing. This is my living nightmare and what I can remember that has happened in the last few days. At 4.22 p.m., I texted him asking if he was okay. No response. I texted again at 5 6 p.m. and his response was, Yep, you. I told him I was just wondering what happened
Starting point is 00:37:55 and he texted, What do you mean? And then around 5 30 he called and said he was sorry he didn't see my text and that he must have been in the basement and Hadn't gotten it right away that night Chad didn't come home for dinner at the time She assumed he'd fallen asleep at the rental property again, but she couldn't leave her six small children to go check on him So around 11 p.m. After putting the kids to bed she went to sleep herself Next thing I heard was banging and breaking glass and then yelling, state police, state police, hands in the air. I came out of my bedroom with no glasses on, hands in the air, wondering if they were actually police, because I can't see very well.
Starting point is 00:38:40 I can only see about a foot in front of me without it being blurry. In my mind, I was thinking, well, either I'm being robbed very frequently see about a foot in front of me without it being blurry. In my mind, I was thinking, well, either I'm being robbed and they're posing as state police or something's happening and I have no idea why there's state police in my house with a gun point at me. It was becoming very clear very quickly. This was actually the state police and the FBI. There wasn't a mistake. They were looking for Chad and they were incredibly serious.
Starting point is 00:39:11 They asked if anyone else was in the house and I said yes, just me and the kids, assuming Chad was at the rental. My whole mouth got super dry. I could not hardly even talk. I asked them if I could go back into the bedroom to get some water. I kept water by my bed. And they're like, no, you can't go anywhere. You have to stay right here. I wasn't even allowed to wake up my kids.
Starting point is 00:39:34 They actually went and woke up all of my kids. They were asking if there was hiding places in the house and it threw me for a loop because I'm like, I mean, my kids hide in little places when they play hide and seek. Then the police asked her about the elderly couple that went to their church. The ones Chad wanted as clients. Why are you asking me questions about them and where is my husband? On the next episode of Betrayal. He walled it off with cement blocks and soundproofing.
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