BibleProject - Abundance or Scarcity (Re-Release)

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

What comes to mind when you think of generosity? Is it sharing your money, resources, or even time with others? For the biblical authors, generosity is much more than an act of kindness—it’s a rea...lity woven into the universe, starting with the generous Creator. In this re-released of our 2019 series on generosity, Jon and Tim start by exploring Jesus’ perspective on resources and the Hebrew Bible’s portrayal of God’s gracious abundance.View more resources on our website →Timestamps Chapter 1: The Theme of Generosity in the Bible (00:00-7:58)Chapter 2: Generosity for the Poor, Anxiety About Life, and Birdwatching (7:58-36:25)Chapter 3: The Story of Generosity in the Hebrew Bible (36:25-53:06)Chapter 4: The Corruption of Abundance (53:06-1:07:04)Referenced ResourcesYou can find our Generosity theme video here.Check out Tim’s library here.You can experience our entire library of resources in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Show Music“Conquer” by Beautiful Eulogy“Shot in the Back of the Head” by Moby“Scream Pilots” by Moby“Analogs” by MobyBibleProject theme song by TENTSShow CreditsProduction of today's episode is by Dan Gummel, producer; Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer and remixed this episode for re-release. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, I'm Tim Mackey and welcome to the Bible Project Podcast. Today on the podcast we are starting a new series connected to a brand new Bible Project theme video that we're working on. And it's about a topic that is actually really important in the biblical story, but it also is a vital part of our everyday lived experience. The theme is generosity and it's connected to the experience that most of us know, which is that of scarcity and abundance. Scarcity causes a lot of anxiety in the human psyche.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Jesus knew a lot about anxiety through his own personal life experience. He talked about it a lot too. He said famous lines like this from Luke chapter 12. Therefore, I tell you, don't be anxious about your life, what you will eat, or about your body, what you will wear. For life is more than food and the body is more than clothes. Consider the ravens. They don't sow or reap. They don't have any store rooms or barns. And yet, God feeds them. How much more valuable are you than birds? Who of you by worrying could add a single hour to your life?
Starting point is 00:01:26 And since you can't do this very little thing, why do you worry about all the rest? Now if you're like me, when you hear those words of Jesus, your first reaction might be that this sounds like somebody who's a hippie. So what's happening here when we hear the words of Jesus but actually want to resist or come up with objections to what he's saying? This isn't a unique experience to us. This is what happens to lots of people when they hear Jesus' teachings about anxiety
Starting point is 00:02:00 and the freedom from being a slave to your possessions and your money. What's happening is a clash of worldviews. I simply don't hold the same view of the universe that Jesus does when it comes to thinking about money, possessions, resources, scarcity, and abundance. So in this episode, we're going to dig into this teaching of Jesus. And what we're going to discover is Jesus is actually articulating a mindset, a whole view of the world that has been soaked and immersed in page one of Genesis. Jesus has a conception of the universe that it's a beautiful creation packed with an overabundance
Starting point is 00:02:41 of resources and opportunities and potential and that it's a generous gift of the Creator to us. Jesus believes that we are all being hosted by this generous Creator, and if we can tune in to that Creator's love and overwhelming generosity, it will change how you live and experience all of life. So, how did Jesus get this mindset? How did He hold this mindset of generosity with all the pain and suffering that He saw around Him?
Starting point is 00:03:13 How did Jesus believe all these ideas when He was suffering and being killed on the cross? These are some of the questions that we're going to ask today as we begin to trace the theme of generosity throughout the story storyline of the Bible. You guys, thank you for joining us on the Bible Project Podcast. Here we go. We get to start a new video on the topic of generosity. This is a video that we've talked about doing for a while. It wasn't on your original list of videos. It was not. Yep, that's correct. You brought like a master list five years ago.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Yeah. And we've deviated from that list many times. Yeah, but mainly by adding things. Yeah, we've never, I don't think we've taken anything off the list. No, it was a big list of biblical theology videos and biblical book videos. But we've added some that we've come to call topics. Yeah. And some of these have taken the form of word studies. that we've come to call topics. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:05 And some of these have taken the form of word studies. Like they're important topics, words, or ideas in the Bible. They don't necessarily stretch from cover to cover and get a full scale development, but some do. This was a new paradigm for me of thinking of the difference between a theme and a topic. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And so you had about two dozen themes.
Starting point is 00:04:29 And a theme for you is an idea, a motif that usually begins in the first couple pages of the Bible. Correct. Yeah, usually connected to a word, an image, or a motif that's introduced in the first narratives of Genesis. So you see it at the beginning of the narrative and then you can actually follow it like a melody Yeah. throughout the entire storyline of the Bible.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Correct. And it has its climax in the person of Jesus. Yep. In his life, death and resurrection and then continues on to its final resolution in new creation. Correct. So we've done a lot of those. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:05:04 And we've stayed a lot of those. And we've stayed away from more what you would call topic videos. Yeah, that's right. Or topics which the Bible might speak to. Yeah, that's right. It might even speak to a lot, but it doesn't necessarily get developed in this way. Yeah, well it doesn't mean it's a theme that just keeps popping up. Once you see a theme, the core biblical themes that are weaving the
Starting point is 00:05:26 whole narrative together, once you see the core ones, you just start to see them everywhere. They're just everywhere. However, there are also important ideas in the Bible that are repeated in many places, though maybe not as prominent as themes. Pete Slauson So, it's about prominence, it's not just about prominence though. It's not just about prominence. You know, I should be honest and say it's also just, there's a matter of judgment call. Yeah, it seems like it. Because the themes that we've covered are also themes that I think are underrepresented in the Christian tradition.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Got it. But that are really important in the Hebrew Bible and in Jewish tradition. And it turns out in the New Testament, we just don't always have eyes to see them. Even though they're all over. Even though they're all over, certain traditions of Christianity haven't equipped us to notice these things in the Bible. So those are the things I try and move towards. So yeah, the theme of generosity, which is overlaps with the concept and theme and word of grace in the Bible, it's actually a really big deal. It's a really big theme.
Starting point is 00:06:31 Have you moved then from topic to theme on this topic? I don't know. Let's see, you know, I've been pondering this for a while. Our good friend who's been a big part of the organization, is a massive champion of biblical generosity, is the term that he likes to use. That's right. He's influenced a part of why the Bible Project is free. Totally. The resources are free because of his influence.
Starting point is 00:06:56 He was at ground level on how we were gonna develop resources for this, and the model of being a free, kind of a pay-it-forward kind of... Yeah, nonprofit animation studio. Crowdfunded. Crowdfunded, yeah. And so, he's been just every year, just like, hey, when are you making the video on generosity? Yeah, that's right. And it is a theme, right?
Starting point is 00:07:18 And then you'd be like, well, it's a topic. So let's just say it's important, it's talked about all over the Bible, and we're going to make a talking about Genesis 1 and 2. But I thought we should first ponder a teaching of Jesus, where He puts a number of things together, namely the concepts of anxiety, freedom from anxiety, watching and paying attention to flowers and birds, and generosity, especially towards the poor. For Jesus, those three things are closely bound together. Generosity for the poor, anxiety about life. Yes.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And what was the other thing? How well you pay attention to birds and flowers. Right, okay. For Jesus, in Jesus' mind, these are three things that just go together really. Like how good of a bird watcher you are. Yeah. And botanist. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Luke chapter 12. So he said to his disciples, For this reason I tell you, don't be anxious about your life, what you will eat. And don't be anxious about your body, what clothes you put on. For life is more than food and the body more than clothing. Ponder the ravens. They don't sow seed or reap harvest. They have no store rooms or barns, yet God feeds them.
Starting point is 00:09:13 How much more valuable are you than birds? And which of you, by worrying, can add an hour to his lifespan? And if you can't do even a very little thing, why then do you worry about other matters? Ponder the lilies, how they grow. They don't toil or spin clothes, like material, fabric. But I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. And if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow's thrown into the furnace,
Starting point is 00:09:46 how much more will He clothe you, you who trust God so little? And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink. Don't foster your anxiety. For all of these things the nations of the world eagerly seek, and your Father knows that you need these things. But seek His Kingdom, and all these things will be granted to you. Don't be afraid, little flock, for your father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions, give to the poor, make for yourselves money belts that don't wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
Starting point is 00:10:28 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Classic Jesus. Totally. So good, man. Just like the ultimate sage. Can like weave together things that you normally wouldn't put together into one place. Anxiety, ravens, flowers, ancient kings, and generosity to the poor. This is Luke's version of this teaching. Matthew has packaged it a little bit differently in the Sermon on the Mount. I'm actually just curious.
Starting point is 00:11:01 I have my own things that occur to me and challenges that I've had with this teaching over the years, but I'm curious, you know, I've been thinking about this in the context of our conversation, but what strikes you as either thoughts or potential objections that one might have to Jesus? Sure. It feels very hippie. Which makes it feel like a little naive, perhaps. Yeah, irresponsible. A little irresponsible. Like if you just went around never worrying or never concerning yourself with even making sure you had clothes on your back and you're just like, yeah, well, the flowers don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:11:43 It's like you're not a flower. Yeah, that's right. You're a human. You're a human being, yeah, well, the flowers, don't worry about it. It's like, you're not a flower. Yeah, that's right. You're a human. You're a human being. Yeah, that's right. You don't have feathers like a raven. Right. Yep. You don't look at a flower and go, hey, put some clothes on. Maybe Jesus is trying to be provocative here.
Starting point is 00:11:59 He seems to have had a habit of that, doing that kind of thing. But you want to take them seriously and you want to say, okay, should I not ever worry? You probably did have to worry like, do I have a cloak this winter? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I have my cloak, that's right. And I guess if in a different socioeconomic status, you're gonna have to worry about that.
Starting point is 00:12:20 I am a middle-class Westerner and it's like, do I have a coat this year that I think's cool? Yeah. Like that's- That's your question. That's my question. That's totally. So obviously that's a different level of worrying
Starting point is 00:12:36 that we, it's a little easier to get there. Well, okay, so let's focus on that. So what you're saying is you live in a very different cultural setting than Jesus. So the way you conceive of food, availability, and clothing is totally different. Totally different. Those aren't the things I worry about. Correct, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I worry about other things. That's right. That's right. So yeah, let's just place Jesus in this setting. First century Galilee. This is a people group living on their ancestral land, the Israelites, under military occupation by the Romans. Tax burdens are insanely heavy, which is why taxes feature so much in Jesus' parables. It says day-to-day life is how to...
Starting point is 00:13:21 What percentage of your... Oh, oh, I don't know off the top of my head. I'd have to do some homework. But the fact that it features a lot in Jesus' teachings and the way that the Romans profited from the subjugated people groups in the empire was through taxation. And in that region, it's just all agriculture.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Think of all of his parables filled with day laborers, or people who have to sell their land or dream of finding treasure. So, right, Jesus' parables are filled, you can see with the stories and anxieties with the people that he's talking to. So yeah, in that setting, worrying about food and clothing, many people live on subsistence wages
Starting point is 00:14:04 and that kind of thing. Yeah, which many people today still do. And many, many, many, large percentage of the human race still. So there it's important to translate, to imagine what in every different person's cultural setting is the equivalent of the kind of anxieties he's talking about. But even then, that doesn't relieve the tension that you're placing your finger on. Right. Which is, is this a carefree Jesus? The carefree Jesus.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Is this a careless Jesus? Yeah, yeah. Is he doing what he often does, which is say something hyperbolic on one extreme to force you awake and to really think about the heart of what he's getting at? Yeah. My mind has often gone to another aspect of this, which is, what about, like, the ravens I typically see are either flying in trees or they're like squashed on the road. The roadkill? Yeah, and actually ever since I started following Jesus and like I read the saying,
Starting point is 00:15:03 and I would see like a dead crow like squashed over getting picked on by other crows and I'm just like huh so that one wasn't more in yeah that yeah and was God paying attention to that one all right like you know that's the whole thing is God cares about the birds yeah you're more valuable than birds so God cares more about you and I'm like well, well, what about the dead crow? And what about the, you know, the wildflower field that gets caught by a wild fire? That's where my mind goes. It's all the instances where nature gives you the opposite of abundance, super abundance. It gives you devastation and death.
Starting point is 00:15:39 And what is God's role in that? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Neither of those liabilities. Well, like what we typically go towards, what we just did was go towards the exceptions in that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Neither of those liabilities, well, what we typically go towards, what we just did was go towards the exceptions to what he's saying.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Yeah. Instead of focusing on the point that he is making. Right. Which is actually a good point. Does Matthew's version of this say Ravens? It's just Ravens feels like a new detail to me. Oh, got it. And I'm more familiar with Matthew saying.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Got it. I just never pictured Ravens. Ravens are scavengers. They are. a new detail to me. And I'm more familiar with the Matthew saying, I just never pictured ravens. Ravens are scavengers. They are. So are crows. Yeah, but I think Matthew says birds of the air or something like that. Oh, got it here.
Starting point is 00:16:15 I'm gonna look it up. And so I always pictured like blue birds. Oh, like robins or something. Yeah, got it. Oh, you're right. Yeah, in Matthew six, it's just the generic word for birds. Like, not a species word, but a higher level category word. Whereas Luke gives us the specific word for raven or crow.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Crows are fighters. Yeah, they're scrappy. They or crow. Crows are, they're fighters. Yeah, they're scrappy. They're scrappy. Yeah, totally. Scrappy animals. Yeah, that's right. Actually, that's fascinating. Yeah, I actually hadn't pondered that before this moment,
Starting point is 00:16:53 but in Luke's version, he retains the word crow and a crow is non-kosher precisely because it's a scavenger. It's the birds of the prey, the carnivorous birds that are the unclean ones. You don't eat those. Impure, that Jews don't eat. So that's interesting. God provides for them. Like other animals? Carcasses of other animals. Getting run over. But also, I mean, they eat anything. Yeah, that's right. They'll eat berries or whatever. They just make it work. Yeah, that's right. Okay, so the exceptions, there's lots of exceptions you could say to Jesus. And my hunch is that we would, but Jesus, what about the crows that die in a famine, whatever.
Starting point is 00:17:35 And so you might have a response to that. But I think his point would be, but didn't you hear the point that I was making? Which is the ravens and these flowers exist in a form, as a form, and they experience a form of abundance. They're a sign of abundance. Just creatures out there. They don't spend their time investing in food prep and food storage.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Yeah. Or, but they're beautiful. Yeah. And they seem they're beautiful. Yeah. And they seem to always have enough food. It's well, you know, I mean, I think if crows like had enough of like a prefrontal cortex, they might, they might store food. Oh, that's a good point. You know, I think they know to.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Well, totally. And I think that's part of his point though, is like there are many creatures that exist in the world, they have enough or they're just splendorous like flowers and they are a witness to the overabundance that God has packed into creation. Interesting. And he says, if you ponder the existence of a bird or a lily long enough, it will free you from anxiety.
Starting point is 00:18:47 That's His point. That's His point. That's His point. Yeah, don't you be anxious. Ponder the ravens. Ponder the lilies. Somehow the lilies are just beautiful. You think Jesus wants you to stop and just hang out and think about birds?
Starting point is 00:19:03 Yes. I mean, what else does He mean? Ponder the raven. Well, he might just mean, for example, for a moment, for this moment, I don't want you to go home and spend the rest of the afternoon thinking about birds. Oh, well, no, no, man. He's a wisdom sage. Yeah, he wants you to think about birds. He wants you to stop and think about the birds for an afternoon. Jesus wants you to be a birdwatcher.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Just like, as we'll see a little bit later, he wants you to ponder a rainstorm and what that says about the character of God. Here it's what a flower and a bird tells you about the character of God. I thought before that birdwatching would be a good activity for me. Oh really? Yeah. Because it forces you to be very present. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And... Yeah, to pay attention to things you'd normally ignore or overlook. Yeah. And just to be very kind of embodied in nature and be observing. Yeah. And then there's like a gamification aspect of it
Starting point is 00:20:01 where you're like checking off birds. Yes, that's right. Turns into like a... Yeah, you can make it an adventure. Yeah, like checking off birds. Yes, that's right. Turns into like a. Yeah, you can make it an adventure. Yeah, make it an adventure. Yeah, that's right. So as you ponder nature, birds, flowers, and the abundance that they kind of thrive within,
Starting point is 00:20:18 it's like there's this ecosystem and it spins off so much value that we could have these creatures and these flowers that just kind of spring to life and flourish. And they don't have anxiety the way that humans have anxiety. Correct. What kind of creature seems to be free from anxiety yet experiences abundance? Ones that aren't conscious of their own self. Yeah, that's right. They have a crow's self-awareness or self-consciousness.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Or he thinks that there are certain advantages to not being that self-conscious. Yeah. That's interesting. It is interesting to think about. The crows have one up on us. Because they're free from a whole... Think of what, yeah, their brains just don't have to do all of this. But they are very intelligent creatures.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Yes, they are. Yes, they are. They use tools. There was one by my house using a... Using... Oh, oh. Yes, there was one by my house dropping nuts from the telephone wires above. To break them? To break them open.
Starting point is 00:21:30 Yeah. I watched him do it. Crows can remember human faces. If you mess with a crow, it'll remember you and you'll make an enemy. We're pondering crows right now. We're doing what Jesus told us to do. So, when I look at the birds and these lilies, I see living things that don't stress out about their subsistence, their needs, and they always seem to be provided for. And in the case of flowers, they're just dropped, dead, gorgeous, just beautiful, mind-blowing. And Jesus draws from that a conclusion about God's generosity and care that humans would do well to pay attention to.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Because look what he goes on to say. Look, he goes on to say, why do you freak out about clothes and food? You trust God so little. He equates their inability to worry with this model of trust. So fascinating. So then in verse 29, he goes on to say, listen, also this is how the non-Jews see the world. All they think life's meaning is about food and drink and clothing and security. Your father knows these things. Here's what I tell you to do. Seek the kingdom, which is a phrase that's been almost Christianized out of having any meaning.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Yeah. It hasn't it? Yeah. You have to imagine yourself into what Jesus meant when He said the kingdom of God is here, so follow me. Yeah, I, right, I don't know if I appreciate it. It's almost you have to upload how many other hours of conversation we've had over the last five years. Yeah, well if you prioritize loving your neighbors yourself. Well, we're using, you're using kingdom here as the, in a non-literal sense,
Starting point is 00:23:26 where a first century Jewish person would have heard that and be like, yeah, when Israel gets its own freedom from any other empire, and we have a kingdom. That's how some people, yeah, might have heard him on day one when he's going around announcing. But if you're following Jesus around the hills of Galilee and you've been listening to him teach, you know that living under God's reign means God's kingdom as defined by Jesus. Jesus is restarting the Genesis 1 Eden project of humans living in partnership with the reign of God. It's about a different way to conceive of human relationships, a different way of conceiving of power
Starting point is 00:24:09 and status relationships, all that. Sermon on the Mount, all that stuff. Transformation of the heart, Jeremiah 31, Torah written on the heart, new humans. So if you seek to live by the Sermon on the Mount, essentially, what you'll find is that your needs will be provided for, all these things will be granted to you. It's sort of like your needs are provided for precisely when you stop stressing out about them as your goal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:39 That's what Jesus' point is here. And then look at what he says, the final line is, so sell your stuff, sell stuff. And give it away. And give it away. And here's what you'll paradoxically find, your money belts won't wear out because you're participating in the new creation, what he calls unfailing treasure in heaven,
Starting point is 00:25:01 where no thief can come near where moth destroy. Is this, you know, the very Christianized version of this is like jewels in your crown in heaven. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, like bonus points, bigger mansion in new creation. It doesn't seem, but I gotta imagine that's not what he's thinking about. No, yeah, I think you can make it
Starting point is 00:25:24 way more practical and realistic. What he's thinking about. No, yeah, I think you can make it way more practical and realistic. What he's talking about in his day is, think, the day before you have digital currency, or virtual currency, you know. Like what is the savings that me and my wife save up? They're just like numbers on a computer in a bank. Like what is that? In a time when all your currency is in actual hard materials.
Starting point is 00:25:52 How you create structures for saving and investment and long-term security. It's a very different setup. So, Jesus' whole point is, if you make your own personal security the main focus of your life goals, what you'll paradoxically find, this is Ecclesiastes, this paragraph has Ecclesiastes all over it, it'll actually ruin you, destroy you through anxiety, and more than likely the structures, the system is going to break, and it won't be there when you need it. Or you'll die and you'll give it to someone else. Yeah, totally, and then they'll waste it. So his whole point is, if you're living by the Sermon on the Mount,
Starting point is 00:26:36 what you're doing is you are investing in a new creation. You're living in the present as if you're living in the new creation. And when you live in that way, you are creating realities that last on into the future. The reason why we like money is because you can exchange it for stuff that you need and want. So it's about value. But there's something about a way of living, which is the way of the kingdom, where there's a different type of currency, like a different type of value.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Yeah, that's right. That doesn't wear out. It doesn't wear out. Doesn't wear out, that's right. Yeah, I can spend a lot of money on a great meal and in 24 hours. It's past. Past, literally and metaphorically past.
Starting point is 00:27:30 But the way, if I love my neighbor as myself, and I choose to use some of those resources to help out somebody I know who's going through a really hard time. The love and the generosity and now the bond, the relational bond, there's something there that's an investment according to Jesus in something that lasts on into the new creation. In the Sermon on the Mount, healthy whole relationships is one of the greatest values of the Kingdom of God according to Jesus. And generosity creates those types of bonds between people that apparently are more enduring than a good meal or the stock market. Yeah. Yeah. And you can get there pretty easy. Yeah. You know, like it doesn't take too much imagination to realize, yeah, I'll find more joy and abundance and abundance out of a network of people who experience like this kind of radical level of generosity towards each other.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Then I will in whatever new Tesla model is coming out. But in the day to day experience, that's not usually where my psyche is at. That's right, that's right.-to-day experience, that's not usually where my psyche is. That's right. So to me it's significant that this thing about the birds and the flowers and anxiety is placed next to this teaching, it's all part of one teaching, about your priorities, what you really value, and valuing the kingdom such that you begin to treat other people according to Jesus' value set. And for Jesus, those just go together. So you could put it this way. The whole thing began with,
Starting point is 00:29:14 don't be anxious, freedom from anxiety. So Jesus apparently conceives of the universe that he's living in as a place that should free us from anxiety. Yeah, has he been around? Yeah, totally. Yeah. I just, right? Okay, so it's a place where... It does, you know, in the city,
Starting point is 00:29:37 it feels like birds are kinda just scrapping it out with their will. Oh, sure, yeah, yeah. But in agricultural society... Yeah, or in rural. Rural. Yeah, outdoors. The birds haven't made. In the wild. I mean, they're just... Yeah, I mean, they gotta work hard. Yeah, but I mean, Yeah, or in rural, Rural, outdoors, The birds haven't made. I mean, they're just, Yeah, I mean, they gotta work hard.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Yeah, but I mean, she's flying around enjoying life while you're digging trenches. Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly, yeah. So yeah, nature, and again, we're gonna see, this paragraph from Jesus is rooted entirely in the Hebrew scriptures. Every bit of this is leaking from the Psalms and the Proverbs.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Jesus views the world as a stable place where we're being hosted by a very generous person. That's cool. And man, that couldn't be different than atheistic. Sure, yeah, modern materialist. Materialist. Materialist, it's like the world is a cruel place. That's right. And we're banging out our niche as best we can. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Yeah, nature is red and tooth and claw, as some poet said. Yeah, that's a good line. Which is easy to adopt that mentality. Yes. It feels very counterintuitive to sit back and go, no, the world is a stable place that is saturated in God's generosity. Yes, yes. Yes, and the same overabundance that Jesus saw at a field of wildflowers is the same
Starting point is 00:31:03 overabundance that the Creator wants to show towards me. And if I foster that mindset, it can free me from a scarcity mindset. And maybe that's the core difference here. Jesus looks at the world and sees abundance. He sees that abundance as pointing to someone who loves us and has provided this environment for us to flourish, as opposed to a scarcity mindset that says, from the beginning, there's not enough for everyone.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Yeah, find your niche. Find my niche, prioritize me and my own. And survive. And survive. Two very different approaches to the universe. And it's clear what Jesus is advocating. You know, I think I'm realizing I live out of a mix of those two. I think I do too. Jesus is articulating a mindset. He's a mouthpiece for the whole biblical
Starting point is 00:31:57 approach, whole biblical story. It actually does begin on page one and two. It's a conception of the universe as a beautiful creation that is packed with opportunity and resources and potential. And if I can cultivate the mindset that I'm being hosted by a generous creator in my day-to-day life, that will free me into whole new levels of life experience that I haven't ever experienced before. You know, we got to experience that. We got to go hang out at a ranch that we were hosted. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:34 And there's just all this abundance. Yes. You know, like... That's a good point. Here's like, choose one of these six vehicles. Okay, so this is a good story. This is a generous supporter of the BioProject. Yeah. Invited John and I up to like a ranch in Eastern Oregon
Starting point is 00:32:50 with our families. Yeah, he's got this beautiful piece of property. Yeah. Most of it's, I mean, there's some alfalfa fields and a lot of cattle. Yeah. But it's just, it's a ton of just wild property. Yeah, and just deer and elk.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah, yeah. And mountain lions and lakes and. Yep, yeah. And mountain lions and lakes. Yep, yeah. And it's a place of abundance. It is. And you go there and you don't feel like, Yeah, yeah. He gave us a chef.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Yeah, totally. So it's like you're not thinking about what you're gonna eat. Yeah, yes. This is like so not my day to day reality. No, it was wild. Or my wife's. It was.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Yeah, that's right. Pick your four wheel drive vehicle. reality. It was wild. Yeah, that's right. Pick your four-wheel drive vehicle for the weekend. Yeah, the keys are in all of them. Just grab one. Here's the building where all the bottled water is and the candy for the kids. And yeah, and a couple like cabins. It's just like, what?
Starting point is 00:33:40 Yeah, rare, very rare. So yeah, to me, that's the challenge of what this teaching represents. Am I supposed to always feel that way? I'm supposed to always feel like... Well, what, you look at his words and you tell me. He wants us to live and really believe, and he calls it an act of faith. Because he says, look at the flowers and the ravens, you who trust God so little. If there's anything getting in the way of me experiencing abundance, it's probably a human problem, human-caused problem. It's not God's problem. God's just packed creation full of potential. And if I can grasp that, I can not only be freed from anxiety, I can begin to become second nature
Starting point is 00:34:22 that I release my stuff out to other people who don't have as much as I do. Yeah, there was something about being on that property that made me, I felt like, cool, I'm gonna hang out with my kids. I'm gonna hang out with, you know, just felt like I didn't, I could be more generous in my time and whatever. Because there's something about feeling like you live within the scarcity that makes you wanna pile things up. And when you live within abundance, you would think that's another opportunity just to pile things up. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:34:55 Because there's just like, look at all this abundance, let's just grab as much as I can. Which might be an initial instinct with abundance. But eventually you kind of realize, you're like, why am I spending all this time piling all this stuff up? It's just always there. Yeah, sure. But eventually you kind of realize, you're like, why am I spending all this time piling all this stuff up? It's just always there. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:35:09 When I need it, it's there. Yeah, that's right, yeah. I'm wasting all this time and energy. Yeah, yeah, Jesus is advocating a mindset that says there's enough. Yeah. There's enough. There's enough.
Starting point is 00:35:20 So I can share, of course I can share. It's not mine to begin with, and there's always enough. Is there always enough? At this point. There's always enough. Or there, in theory, there should be. The earth has the ability to produce enough. The earth has enough.
Starting point is 00:35:36 The earth has enough. If humans are creative enough and love their neighbor as themselves enough, there is enough. Yeah, there is enough. I think that's his point. So I've got a question. We've already proposed a lot. What kind of tradition forms a person who talks and thinks like this?
Starting point is 00:36:37 Like in what kind of culture and story do you have to grow up to actually believe these words and say them to other people? And you can't just say, oh, he's Jesus. He can say stuff like that. No, it is He. Yeah, He was brought up within a culture and a perspective. Somebody who draws conclusions about God's character, thinking about both the text of Scripture but also looking at birds and flowers, and as we'll see later, rainstorms,
Starting point is 00:37:06 and someone who truly believes there's a beautiful, generous mind behind the universe. What? It seems like what you're digging at is if you read the Hebrew Scriptures and you look at the stories of creation and the stories of God, you will have the mindset of an abundant world. The reason you and I come up with all these objections or like think of all the exceptions to what he's saying here is because we have been raised in a culture that has a fundamentally different view of the universe than how Jesus saw the world. And what kind of way of seeing the world produces a person who can say a paragraph like that
Starting point is 00:37:50 and everybody looks and goes just like, yeah, good point, yeah, yeah. And Jesus is here, a mouthpiece for the view of God and God's generosity and creation that you find in the storyline of the scriptures, the Hebrew scriptures. So to me, if there's like a light bulb or some moment, we haven't even talked about what language we wanna use for it yet in this video, but it's a foreign way of seeing the world, there's enough, an abundance mindset that's foreign
Starting point is 00:38:20 to how most of us think about the world. What can we do in a five-minute video experience that can just open up a different way of seeing the world to somebody, including ourselves? To me, that would be the win for this video. That's why I love this paragraph of Jesus' teaching so much. It's a great teaching. I would propose that the first place we ought to look to think of what would form a person to talk like this about the universe is explicitly stated as Jesus' cultural tradition, which is the Jewish scriptural heritage.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Jesus was raised on the Torah, the prophets and the Psalms. It's amazing to think about how some of his first memories would be hearing his mom or dad sing the poetry of the Psalms. So what you find, for example, in the book of Psalms is all these poems, they're often called the creation poems in the book of Psalms. And what you find in them is exactly the worldview that Jesus is expressing right here. The abundant worldview. Yes, this abundance mindset creation as these people experience it is just an experience of God's generous abundance everywhere they look. So Psalm 104, for example.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Psalm 104. Psalm 104. This is an epic Psalm. It's an entire meditation on page one of the Bible. It's a poetic meditation on page one. It's a poetic meditation on the creation story. On the creation story. Which is page one.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Yep. And what this poet does is he systematically works through the three tiers of the universe. The heavens. Mm-hmm. And then the land. and then the sea. And then he ponders the objects or the inhabitants. Thing of Genesis 1, the environments of order and the inhabitants. And its creatures.
Starting point is 00:40:17 And its creatures. And he just works through and he, like Jesus, just draws conclusions or forms these meditations based on observing and pondering everything in every realm. It's a pondering tradition. Yeah, it's the totalist Jewish meditation literature. Yeah. So notice how Psalm 104 works. It begins with an opening call to praise. Bless Yahweh, oh my Nefesh, my being, my life. We get soul in most English translations.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Yahweh, my God, you are very great. You're clothed with splendor and majesty. That's similar to Psalm 8. Psalm 8, yeah. And that's this whole idea of the heavenly bodies being a different kind of... Yeah, that's right. Having a different kind of clothing. Yes, you cover yourself with light. So yeah, the heavens form their language for the spiritual realm, different kinds of beings
Starting point is 00:41:16 and bodies. And here, what their body is clothed with is splendor and light. Clothed with splendor and majesty. Yeah, covering yourself with light. So good. with splendor and majesty. Yeah, covering yourself with light. So good. That's a good outfit. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:32 So he's pondering up in the heavens. He's envisioning the dome, the beams of the upper dome, the clouds of his chariot, wings of the wind. And he makes the winds his angels, his messengers. That's the word angel in Hebrew, malachim. He makes the winds his messengers. So he's not talking about spiritual beings there, he's talking about creation being like a way that he speaks.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Just like he has spiritual beings that are his messengers, the winds and lightning are also his servants and messengers. Yeah. Then he moves on, the poet moves on to talk about the land, its foundations. He established it, the pillars. So the land sits on pillars so that it won't sink into the abyss below. He covers the deep as with a garment. And that's the earth?
Starting point is 00:42:21 Mm-hmm. Yeah. He established the land on its foundation. The garment on the watery depths. You've covered it, that is, the land, with a deep as with a garment. So he's imagining actually here the pre-creation state with the waters over the land. The waters were standing above the mountains. Oh, the watery depths were a garment.
Starting point is 00:42:39 But at your rebuke, the waters fled. This is when God says, let the waters draw back and the dry land emerge. He imagines this as God rebuking the waters. This is the phrase the gospel authors use when they depict Jesus calming the waters in the gospels. They use the same word rebuke. He rebukes. Oh, it's from Psalm 104. Yep, that's a cool little nugget. Then he thinks about how the dry land is watered. God tamed the chaotic waters so the dry land is watered.
Starting point is 00:43:05 God tamed the chaotic waters so the dry land can emerge. And then verse 10, he releases the waters back from the deeps into the land, but it comes forth, it comes up in the form of springs in the valleys. This is actually, we'll talk about this when we get into the Genesis 1 and 2 series, but the idea is that the chaotic waters that began with, he stilled them by his spirit and rebuked them so that they draw back so dry land can emerge. And then now God's master of the waters. And so anytime those waters pop up from the great deep below in a spring or a well, that's seen as a gift of God showing His mastery over the chaotic waters.
Starting point is 00:43:46 Oh, so that's connected then to Moses bringing water from rocks and stuff. All the waters and wells in the wilderness become little Eden, little gifts of Eden in the midst totally. It's all connected. Hey, by the way, in verse 7 where he says, at the sound of your thunder they took flight, that's the word, it's also voice, right? Thunder, voice? Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:09 You rebuke the waters, they fled. Yes, from your rebuke, yeah, that's right. The sound of your voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're thinking of our conversation about... Yeah, what psalm was it? Psalm 29. Yeah, thunder and voice.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Yeah, the voice of your thunder. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly right. Then he moves on to start talking about the creatures. Okay, so here's where we're going to pick up. I think this is where we get into a text that's forming the mindset of Jesus. Oh, cool.
Starting point is 00:44:30 So, He causes grass to grow for the cattle and vegetation for the labor of humans, so that He may bring forth food from the land. Are you reading a translation or are you just reading Hebrew? I'm reading from the New American. NAS, okay. The NAS, yeah. Verse 14, he causes the grass to grow for the cattle and vegetation for the labor of man so that he, the man, may bring forth food from the earth.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Yeah, yeah. The word for food is actually the word bread in Hebrew, lechem, which can be a generic word for food, any kind. So this is reflecting on that line in Genesis 1 where I give to you the eisav ha-sadeh. You get to eat all the stuff growing out of the- Yeah, the vegetation and the beast, they get the wild vegetation out there. And Nebuchadnezzar turns into the beast and you get the wild vegetation out there. Yeah. Yeah. And so- And Nebuchadnezzar turns into the beast and sees the wild vegetation.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Yeah, totally, yeah, that's the whole thing. But in Genesis one, it's God giving. It's the word give. To you I give, and to the animals I give. Mm-hmm. And now it's a poetic meditation on that, on that verse in Genesis one. He causes the grass to grow for the cattle.
Starting point is 00:45:44 This is, again, back to Luke 12, Jesus thinks of a raven picking berries or whatever off a bush and he says, God is giving that creature food. That's how he would view that situation. Or he would see a cow grazing or a deer grazing. A bunch of grass, yeah. And you would have the same fun. We would say God's providing food for that creature. Yeah. And it's not because they're ignorant
Starting point is 00:46:12 that grass grows up out of the ground from seed. They actually are way more familiar with those things than most of us are. They know how it works. Yeah, because that's their life, farming and so on. But it's their view of the universe, that the universe, we are being hosted by a generous host.
Starting point is 00:46:30 And so there's no distinction between the grass growing by itself or God giving it to the creature. It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Verse 15, the grass and vegetation is a gift, verse 15, and wine that makes the human heart glad, so that he may make his face glisten with oil and food that sustains man's heart. This too is a gift from God. Verse 16, the trees of Yahweh, the trees of Yahweh,
Starting point is 00:46:57 drink their fill. They're rooted in the ground and they can access that deep water below, the ground and they can access that deep water below that we don't sink into because of the pillars that Yahweh put there. But the trees, you know, go down. Verse 17, the birds build their nest in these trees of Yahweh. Trees of Yahweh! Like this poet looks out and any tree is like, that's Yahweh's tree. Yeah, he's the host. Yeah, he was the host, so he put on this event. The high, verse 18, the high mountains are for wild goats. The cliffs are the refuge for the, some kind of rock badger like creature. So look, you can just see what he's doing. He just sees all of what we call nature.
Starting point is 00:47:45 He sees it as the expression of a generous being. He's just given the right provision and homes for all these different kinds of creatures, working together as a harmonious system. Verse 21, the young lions roar after their prey and they seek their food from God. So even the lions are being provided by God. It's like their roaring is their prayers of petition.
Starting point is 00:48:16 They're praying. Prayerful roar. Prayerful lions. When the sun rises, they withdraw because they hunt at night, I guess. They lie down in their dens, and that's when the humans go out to work, and they labor until the evening. So you got the humans that go out in the day,
Starting point is 00:48:34 and they work the land, and then the lions come out. And humans, they pray for rain and good weather. We have our own roar. That's right. And then the lions do the night shift. Yeah, and everyone, and there's enough for everyone. That's right. That's right. So, going towards the final movement. Oh, Yahweh, how many are your works in wisdom? It's an all expression of God's wisdom.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Not only is there an abundance, but because it came out of a well-devised schema. It works, it all works together. The earth is full of yore. Some translations have creations, others have possessions. The sea, great and broad, swarms without number, animals, oh this is good, animals small and great. There the ships move along. This section of the poem opened up with,
Starting point is 00:49:26 oh Yahweh, how many are your works? In wisdom you made them all. There's the sea, and then verse 26, and there's the ships. Even the ships are his work. That's right. Even though clearly the ships are human made, in this worldview they're ultimately Yahweh's work. Because we're co-creators. That's right. And also don't forget, the ships move around in're ultimately Yahweh's work, because he... Because we're co-creators. That's right. And also, don't forget, the ships move around in that great deep with Leviathan, who you formed to play in it. Just because. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:49:55 They all wait for you to give them their food in due... That's the sea monster. ...in due season. Yes, Leviathans, for your Canaanite Yeah. It's like these are deified chaos monsters. Yeah. And in the biblical worldview, they are monsters, but they're under Yahweh's control. Yeah, authority. They got a big playground.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Yeah, huge. Which is the abyss. Actually the hugest playground. Yeah, they wait for you to give them food and do season. You give it to them, they gather it up, you open your hand and they're satisfied with good. So you get the idea here. This is just one, we could go to other poems, but this is biblical, that is Jewish creation theology. It's wisdom creation theology. The super abundance of creation is an expression of God's own generosity.
Starting point is 00:50:51 And if you grew up on that kind of poetry, you know, from your earliest memories, you can see why Jesus could say what he says in Luke 12 and everybody would be like, oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that. Or when the Romans are crushing us through taxation and taking all of our farmland, it's easy to forget that this is what's actually true about the world. Yeah. Now, someone in that context,
Starting point is 00:51:19 even though they have these stories, if they're suffering, I mean, that's gotta create some sort of conflict for them. Yes. Right? Like, okay, I believe in the generosity of an abundance of God, what He gave, He's hosting us.
Starting point is 00:51:35 But I'm suffering. Yeah, within a world... It's not like everything's gonna be great. No, that's right. Within a worldview shaped by the biblical story, that's God's wise design and purpose for the ideal of how the world operates. It's all given as a gift to humanity and its creatures, the creatures of the world.
Starting point is 00:51:53 But of course, there's a conflict in this story. And that conflict is actually one way to think about the storyline of the Bible is its people abusing Yahweh's generosity. And instead of seeing Yahweh give and give and give and give generously in creation and then imitating that, what the humans do in Genesis 3 is desire. And take. What is not rightly theirs and then take. Yeah. So taking versus giving. It's a simple way to think about the storyline of the Bible is Yahweh gives and what humans do is desire and take. You know, um, there was one conversation we were having, maybe it was Day of the Lord or something,
Starting point is 00:53:13 but one takeaway I had was, wow, you can frame the whole story of the Bible in terms of what do humans do with power. Oh, yes, yes. And what I'm hearing from this conversation is you can frame the whole story of the Bible as, what do humans do with abundance? Yeah, yeah, right, yes. Because you can thrive in abundance,
Starting point is 00:53:35 but then paradoxically, you can create chaos within abundance. Yeah, you can rule. When you seize it and try to control it. Yes, that's right. It is. It's the paradox of wealth and abundance that has explored in every part of the biblical story and collection.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Because it's truly a paradox that to be given these gifts of rich abundance, that's what's going on in the Eden story. That's what the Eden story is. Yahweh plants a super abundant garden. And they're just the humans. Well, and I love the details of the story where it's like, he gives them food, but he also gives them trees that are just good to look at.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Yeah, that's right. Some are just beautiful. That's just what they're there for. So you got like food trees and then you just got like cool trees. Yeah, humans wake up in their existence into a world that's just flooded with resources and what does that opportunity do to them?
Starting point is 00:54:39 And it's actually not great. That's a great way to frame the human condition as we experience it right now in this time in history. Us not knowing what to do with abundance. With abundance, yes. Yeah, and abundance that both is just there, like latent or potential, and then with the abundance that's like created
Starting point is 00:54:59 from the stuff that we make off the earlier abundance, then we make new stuff, it creates a new hybrid abundance. That's both from creation and then whatever it is, like a fork or something, you know, or a car, a Tesla. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's a great, that's exactly it. So for someone sitting there listening to Jesus speak in Luke 12,
Starting point is 00:55:27 they also have a category for why is it that I don't experience that carefree existence of a raven or of a lily. It's because I'm screwed up and my neighbors are screwed up and the Romans, oh man, they're really screwed up. And that's why I don't experience the world as Psalm 104. But- There's no like faction of ravens that have like all teamed up and built some sort of power structure that's gonna oppress the other ravens. Yeah, it's just kind of one-on-one
Starting point is 00:56:02 with the ravens, isn't it? Yeah, they might fight it out over some roadkill, but like, other than that, they're all getting along. Yeah, for the most part. They work in packs. Yeah, no, humans, we use both our potential and opportunity, and then we devise, we create all kinds of horrific ways to deprive each other of abundance or hoard it for certain groups, right? Again, within the biblical story, this was the explanation for why the world is the way it is.
Starting point is 00:56:36 It's not God's fault. It's humans participating in something horrendously evil to turn the world into an anti-Eden. Yeah. Where it's an Eden for some, like the King of Babylon, he gets to live in Eden. I gotta imagine that most secular philanthropists would agree with this. I think so, sure. They wouldn't go like, oh that that's such a weird, ancient, strange, religious way to think about the world.
Starting point is 00:57:07 They'd be like, oh yeah, that's a really kind of astute anthropology that you've got there of like, why, because I think there's a sense amongst those who are leaders in philanthropic efforts, that there is enough. If we can work out the details. If we're smarter and not as mean to each other. And of course, they aren't keying into that other thing you said, which is it's connected to this evil.
Starting point is 00:57:42 If you're doing it from a completely secular point of view. Yeah, that's right. But. Yeah. Well, I mean, essentially what that worldview you're describing is doing is just taking any sense of another parallel spiritual realm out of it. So both the abundance and goodness doesn't need
Starting point is 00:58:00 to have come from another being. Right. It just happened. It's just here we are. Yep. And therefore, all of the horrible ways that we devise... Our problem with dealing with abundance. Problem, yeah, and all of the lack of abundance because of human power structures, we also
Starting point is 00:58:20 don't need to pawn that off onto some other being. Some weird mystical evil. It's just stupid humans who need to get better education. Yeah. And, or learn how to be nice to each other. So that is one way of explaining the human condition. Who knows how we got here, but we're here for no particular reason with all this abundance. And let's learn how to be nicer to each other.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And I don't know what can you say except does that really honor the complexity of the human condition that education doesn't? Education doesn't seem to solve the problem of the selfish human heart. It just doesn't. It can improve things. It can improve things. A lot. But it doesn't seem to get to the core of the problem. And certainly not according to Jesus. He would say the problem is much deeper and complex.
Starting point is 00:59:13 The problem that prevents us from living generously within abundance. Correct. Yeah. Jesus would locate it where David and Moses locate it in the problem of the human heart, which remember is the center of will and volition, choice and emotion. And their diagnosis is that our hearts are hijacked by an animal-like form of selfishness and chaos that we don't fully understand. And sometimes it's called,
Starting point is 00:59:51 in Genesis four it's just called sin. And in Genesis three it's depicted as some kind of other being. And that's where moderns get hung up. But anyhow, we digress perhaps. But this is the worldview. I like that idea of the problem of power that we talked about with the day of the Lord
Starting point is 01:00:12 is in this frame, the problem of abundance. Yeah, yeah. Because power can be good. Yes, yeah, that's right. And abundance is awesome. Abundance is awesome and can be good. It's a lot easier to see how power can be misused. But it's interesting to think about how abundance is misused.
Starting point is 01:00:36 Correct, yeah. This is why the Bible's view of wealth and abundance is actually, aside from these kind of bigger picture creation perspectives, what wealth and abundance does to people in the Bible is almost always negative. Yeah. Actually, the Bible has an extremely negative... Very suspicious. ...portrait of wealth and abundance.
Starting point is 01:00:58 That actually is really off-putting to modern people who live in capitalist societies. Yeah. I have found that to be true in many contexts. Just reading the Bible aloud in settings where there's lots of different kinds of people. Yeah. I find that the view of wealth doesn't resonate with people who are really invested in certain economic systems.
Starting point is 01:01:19 Yeah. It's fascinating. I mean, look at Jesus. What we just read in Luke 12. Just like sell your stuff and give to the poor, because money is going to corrupt you. I've heard that Jesus talked about money more than any other topic in the Gospels. Oh, in terms of, yeah, if you just count up how many verses or sentences are given to what topics. Yeah, money and wealth is like in the top three.
Starting point is 01:01:43 In the top three. Of just amount of times that He talks about this, totally, especially in the Gospel of Luke, which is where we started. The biblical story gives you this abundance mentality, it's beautiful, that doesn't necessitate then that the story of the Bible and the scripture should also have this suspicion of wealth. It almost seems like the opposite would be true, that if there is an abundance of mentality, the Bible wouldn't be suspicious of wealth. It would be celebrating it. Yeah, that's right. And it often does. Actually, you know what? As I think about it,
Starting point is 01:02:19 maybe a better way to say it is the Bible is suspicious of what wealth does to humans. Especially humans who aren't following the way of Jesus. Or who are connected to Jesus and how he renewed the human story. Yes, that's a better way to say it. Humans in our current condition. It's a toxic cocktail. Because Psalm 104, I mean he's celebrating wealth. He's celebrating the wealth that God has loaded in with creation.
Starting point is 01:02:50 And that's a great point. And the scene... Well, and also very specifically, he's celebrating the wealth of food and drink. Total, that's exactly right. And if you look at all the depictions of the new creation in the prophets... Wines flowing... Or in the Revelation, you have wine flowing from the hills. It's prophets. Wines flowing. Or in the revelation. Wine flowing from the hills. It's abundant.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Yeah, exactly. Oh, all this stuff, you know, the gold and the jewels of the new Jerusalem and the abundance, totally. So you're right. It's more of the in the present age with the broken human condition, the Bible suspicious of wealth in the hands of those kinds of people.
Starting point is 01:03:22 And that's where I find maybe the corollary to power. Yeah. In that it's the same thing. It's like power to rule. That was a good thing. Yes. But then if you actually just pull out all the places where people have power, it's probably all these warnings.
Starting point is 01:03:38 Yeah, that's right. Don't let it mess you up. So think about Psalm 104, which is itself just reflecting on Genesis 1. Genesis 1 and 2, same portrait of just order brought to chaos and then all this potential packed into creation. Genesis 2, it's in the image of God planting a garden in the midst of a wilderness. Puts the humans in there. Garden from wilderness. Garden from wilderness. Garden from wilderness. It's a generous act.
Starting point is 01:04:07 And from any tree you can eat, except this one that will kill you. And the one that will kill you is the one that represents you taking your own, taking moral discernment to define good and evil by your own wisdom instead of trusting that I will teach you how to define. Eat from any tree but the one that will prevent you from being a generous person.
Starting point is 01:04:34 Wow, yeah. Yeah, because the moment you define good and evil by your own wisdom, you're going to start defining as good so that you have a little bit more than that person. Totally. It makes perfect sense. It feels very good to have enough, even if- And maybe not just for me, maybe- For me and my family.
Starting point is 01:04:54 For me and my family, or me and my tribe. And surely that's a good thing that I provide for my tribe. Oh, but what if it's at the expense of that tribe? Well, they gotta take care of themselves. They gotta take care of themselves. They got to take care of themselves. There should be enough for them maybe or... Okay, so here we go. You almost kind of have to live that way
Starting point is 01:05:10 when you're limited by your own understanding. Yeah, correct. Because how can, you know, like, you're kind of just stuck. It's a great transition for, we can talk about next. If the biblical story can be framed as God's gift of abundance to humans, the plot conflict is how they distort abundance, which is to desire according to their own wisdom and then to take.
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