Bittersweet Infamy - #3 - The Witches Who Hexed the Moon

Episode Date: December 12, 2020

Josie tells Taylor about the celestial shenanigans that vexed Witch Twitter in the summer of 2020.

Hello, and welcome to Bitter Sweet Home, the podcast about infamous people, places, and things. I'm Taylor Vaso. My name is Josie Mitchell. My friend Josie is about to tell me a story, and I don't know what that story is going to be. In fact, all I know about that story is no clue, not one. All I know is that the subject matter will be infamous.

Josie, happy birthday. Aw, thank you, Taylor. That's very nice. It's not today, but it is coming up, so thank you. By the time this comes out, I think it will be in the past, but by the time we're recording it, it's in the future, so we're in this weird, awkward space where we're lying twice about your birthday. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, thank you. I went, my aunt came through town, and she took me out for lunch, and I got this hoppy birthday to you. Wow. Pine glass. That's great material. That's great collateral.

Right? Yeah. And I'm just, I'm really liking the birthday. Yeah, no. They could have settled on hoppy birthday, and it would have communicated the same thing, but whoever they had drawing in my head, it's like, you know, when architects have their blueprints up on their little desks. Right, yeah.

Whoever was sketching out the blueprint for this glass. Yeah. Thank you. That's what I'm looking for. I forget that you have your degree in architecture. Yeah, right. And they weren't satisfied with just hoppy birthday. They went for hoppy birthday.

I'm really into that. And what I really enjoy about it is it sounds like you have a Swedish accent. Hoppy birthday. Hoppy birthday. Yeah. It's really. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm enjoying it. What are your birthday plans? Um, I think we're going to order in some nice food, and next weekend we are going to get like a Airbnb in Galveston, which is like 45 minutes away. What takes you to Galveston? Because I didn't, is it just a change of scenery or is there something specific that one does in Galveston? It's by the beach.

So that's kind of nice. It's like, it's not really warm enough to go like beach-ing, but we can like walk on the beach and stuff. Have you ever been on a beach in the snow? I think in Vancouver I have. Yeah. Really? Because I've always thought of that as just the height of romance.

Because I used to, I had, you know, you can go to those websites where you put on sound effects for you to sleep in and it could be like rain or a wooden wind chime or whatever it is. Because my mix, because you can mix them by percentages, my mix was always a snowstorm and beach waves and I thought, God, what a perfect place to be. Yeah. I mean, I think you can make that happen. There's beaches in the snow.

But there's never snows here. So it surprises me that you say you might have done it in Vancouver because I feel like it never snows here. Maybe I've just been on like a cold enough beach in Vancouver where I'm like, fuck, why isn't it snowing? Maybe that's it. I don't know. Maybe.

Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. So you're already shooting down your own credibility here. No. Do you though? No. You know what?

For legal reasons, this is an entertainment podcast and not a journalism podcast. Right. So nothing we say conceivably, for legal reasons, everything we say might be a lie. We might need to get like a super fast, fastly read disclaimer at the end where it's like the person going like the side effects of this episode, you know? Yeah. It's just that none of it was true. Right.

It could be really fast. All this was fake. All right. So I'm going to take you way, way back to July, which does feel like it might be 40 years ago. July, 2020. July of this year. Yeah.

Okay. I was inside. You were inside, most likely. I was inside. I was wearing this exact same pair of sweatpants that you haven't cleaned since. But I have cleaned maybe once when I was feeling really industrious and like I've turned in my life around. Okay.

Good. I can see it now. I can definitely see it now. Okay. And around this time, it's getting into a new moon. All right. Okay. Are you ready?

New moon-ish. It's maybe like the weekend. The new moon is on the 20th and the weekend's like the 18th and 19th, so we're right before them. And shit starts to explode on Twitter. Shit starts to explode on TikTok because some motherfucking baby witches hexed the moon. Pew, pew, pew. Did you hear about this?

I don't know this. Oh my God. I was so certain that you were going to know all about this. I've never heard of this. Oh, I'm so excited. Oh, okay. Cool. Okay.

First off to say, I was introduced to this concept of baby witches hexing the moon because I was doing at this time. I was busking via Instagram. It was this weird COVID social distance from me. No, you made that up. You made that up. Go ahead. Yes.

Busking via Instagram. Yeah. I don't even have an Instagram when I was doing it. So. Yeah. What the fuck? No, this whole story is alive. Okay.

You can't. If you were going to try to slip in a lie, you could have waited until like the fourth episode. Anyway. Okay. So I was busking where somebody gives you a topic to write a poem about. You write the poem and you give it back to them. So their topic that they gave me was hexing the moon and I was like, what the fuck?

I don't even know what this is all about. So I very quickly read an article online and this was around the beginning of August. So this hexing had just happened and it turns out that these like newbie witches, very brand new to the craft, if you will. No, I was just, I literally thought of the craft. I was like, they don't know what the power that they're fucking around with here. Oh, big time wearing chokers out the yin yang and fucking with the craft. And they're called nowadays.

I think this is a more recent term. Baby witches is the term. Feels very millennial. Sure. Feels very millennial. Baby witches and supposedly reports kind of vary that it was one baby witch or that it was a small group of like four or so baby witches who have remained nameless to not, you know, receive the wrath of the witching community.

They hexed the moon. So but okay. I've got so many questions already. All right. I've got so many questions already and I know you're going to answer these questions, but I just need to get them out of my body. So so they don't make noises out of your body is that so that I'm not distracted while you're talking.

Okay. How do like, obviously we came to find out that this happened. So one of these baby witches has a loose fucking mouth, which I don't think is a very good attribute. Fair enough. I'm from Surrey. We're snitches. We're stitches.

So I'm like, if we're hexing the moon, you and me in the lamppost, I'm hoping I'm not talking. I'm hoping the lamppost doesn't speak and Josie, I can't keep just keep going because okay. Right. Right. Let it sit. Let it sit.

So one of the ways that I found this out, because it's all kind of, I mean, it's COVID social distance, pandemic times, right? A lot of this is happening online and in the online spheres, because there's not people meeting in person for this kind of stuff. So one way that I found out about it was some tweets that came through. So there's a user who's at. Are you on which Twitter? Uh, no, but I'm on which talk now.

Thank you very much. What is which talk? It's tick talk for witches. Oh, you nailed me. You booby. I didn't see it coming. But on Twitter, at least, a user at hay adora was asking like, what is going on? Because everyone was up in arms like, who would fucking hex the moon?

What did. So, uh, this other user named at sleepy burr says they posted a thread and I quote because everyone is confused and then they go on to explain in the past few days, a group of capital fresh, fresh baby witches decide to band together and hex the fey and then the moon and then they did. So they're and now they're playing and then after that they're planning to hex the sun to what? I think too much too soon.

I think it's too much too soon. I think it's a board. I'm not an expert witch. I'm not an expert witch, but it seems to me that capital F fresh baby witches should not be attempting to hex the sun. No, no, that could go so bad so quick. Right. Exactly.

And I'm sure you're about to tell me all about it. Go on. Well, okay. So they they first attempted to hex the fey, which are like, from my understanding, like the word kind of fey leads to fairies. It's kind of like mythical folk. Yeah. Yes.

But are they are they not? And correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know that much about the fey. But I know of the fey in assumption in a, or sorry, in association with like being quite a mischievous little group and full of tricks and taking things and giving things back and stuff like that. And I don't know why one would want to hex them and not fear retribution if one believed in that sort of thing.

You know, exactly. Right. And I think maybe that might be part of this whole conundrum is that these baby witches who are bored at home and not doing anything are like, yeah, I'll get into witchcraft because why not? And then they're like, fuck this, I'll hex the moon, I'll hex the fey, hex the fucking sun. I don't fucking care.

Da, da, da. So it's. But that's hubris. Oh, it's totally hubris. Yeah. It's like, okay. Yeah. Capital H hubris.

Capital H hubris from Capital Fresh. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. But that's, and that's my thing is I'm not like, I don't mean to speak on behalf of any community of people that I'm not a part of. I'm not a witch.

All I know is that like, I'm someone who tries to walk in the world in a good way and tries to walk in the world thinking of others and not being up my own ass and so on. You're a beautiful human. That's why. Thank you. Thank you. We all try to walk in this way as much as we can and we all slip in the path and whatever. But I know that if I was a witch of any stripe and I saw someone just like, I mean, hexing

the sun and the fey because it's COVID and I'm bored, if that's actually ends up being the reason, there might be more to it. I don't know. But if that's actually the reason, I'm just like, oh, the cheeky. The arrogance. I know, right? And I should say as well, I am not a witch. I am not a baby witch.

I'm like a fetus witch. Like I'm like, I'm way back there and I'm fascinated and I'm totally like in support of community and yeah, do it. But I'm also not a witch of any stripe. Yes. I am a dabbler, I suppose, in this case. But I think what's also really interesting is that if you're hexing the moon, the moon has a deity, which is Artemis and some belief systems, right?

So you're, you're pissing her off and then her brother, who's Apollo and he's the God of medicine and healing, which is all like, you're doing this during a pandemic, which is also like the cheek of ya plus some, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Don't be a fucking dick. Don't be a fucking dick. So and like the response to this through, you know, the social media channels that I

have access to. Which talk etc. has been like, what the fuck? Like why would you do this? One is a baby witch. And then the other response is like, they're not causing any issues. You can't, you can't damage the moon like that. The moon is such a strong and powerful entity that some baby witches trying to hex it are

not, they're not going to make it. The moon is a constant. And so it's like, that's not really going to have any real damage on the moon, right? Like it's just the idea that some baby witches would step in and think this was like, I don't know, some publicity stunt, but not even because they're not giving their names to it. But how do we know this even happened? Because actually we know this happened because presidential candidate Marianne Williamson tweeted about it.

Stop it. Yes. I can't believe they've done this. Stop it. Stop it. Totally did. You shut up right now. No, I can't.

And I won't. The truth must come out. I miss Marianne. I miss Marianne. I was having, I was having like a zoom with my mom and my aunt or something like that. And we brought up Marianne Williamson. It was after the first Democrat debate. Right.

When they were all, when there was all four of you. It was just like, who, what, now? A sea of Democrats. Yeah. And. And Tulsi Gabbari. And Tulsi Gabbari. Yeah.

Very true. And I was bewildered that my mom and my aunt were like, oh yeah, Marianne. We had some cogent points and I was like, what? And they're like, she was just being so positive and we need a little positivity right now. And I was like, but she's okay. Go do what you gotta do. But I'm surprised if that was the reaction, then I'm surprised she didn't get more traction than she ended up getting because I mean, listen, I don't know that someone who once

used the phrase, aid stands for angels in devil suits is necessarily the person that we want leading the nation. Right. Semi-colon. However, given the past fucking several years of our shared lives, I see the appeal of just someone coming out and being like, hey, look around you, you're a purple. And that just being like, yes, thank you for telling me that. You know what I mean?

Like, I get it. But okay, so what did Marianne Williamson tweet about the fresh witches? And I quote. The fresh witches of Bel Air. Right. That's good. Uh-oh. Do I see a new TV series on the horizon?

It's happening. I quote Marianne Williamson from her July 20, 2020 tweet, that's gotta be some really drunk or stoned hashtag baby witches if they think that in the midst of a hashtag secret police invasion of Portland, the best they can do is hex the capital M-O-O and moon emoji face palm. She's right. She's right. There are so many pressing issues in the world.

Right? Yeah. You're hexing the moon. Yeah. Yeah. Witch please. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Baby witch please. Yeah. Wow. I still, that's not, this doesn't satisfy me. Who leaked that this had happened? How do we know that there's baby witches and that these are not apocryphal baby witches that someone invented to get Marianne Williamson's attention, which, you know, I can see the motivation there.

You did well there. Yeah. I think it's like these very tight communities that are online. Okay. And it's like someone said something and then it got out that way and then got that way. And you're right because like, okay, I'm satisfied with that. Okay. Oh, that's good.

That was easy. There's the answer. I've never said I was a good lawyer. I never said I was a good lawyer. But all those years of law school, gosh. I've played a lot of mystery games. Listen, I'm the investigation free. I would submit it to the court that I'm the best investigator mystery solver detective.

You've never met anyone who can get to the bottom of mystery like me. Candle A is your tattoos, your clue tattoos. I have clue tattoos. I have all the clue weapons tattooed on the back of my calf, candlestick rope, lead pipe etc. They're real cute. They're real cute. It has not been the conversation starter that I hoped it would be.

I think because it's in a relatively discreet part of my anatomy, the back of my calf. And so I end up having to tell people about my tattoo and then I look very desperate. What happened to these witches? Was there any sort of like community justice brought to this table? Okay. So there was a community outcry that was pretty much your response more or less Taylor is like, one, you can't do, if you knew anything about a hex or anything about witchcraft, you can't fucking ding the moon.

Like it's just, it's much too powerful for you, especially if you're a baby witch. To the community was saying like, you should not be hexing shit at all. You can do protection spells. You can do like, you would need like years and years and years of fucking experience before you could hex anyone or anything, much less the moon, right? So then there's this kind of like the, the kind of third part of the reaction is like, who the fuck do you think you are? Like you can't just, you know, like go off and be like, I'm a witch and I'm going to

hex the moon. So there's like, yeah, there's this community response. It's like, that's not appropriate. Why would you ever do that? Yeah, because, because witches like anybody else are, they're interested in practicing their faith in a good way. They're interested in practicing their faith in a way that is like in harmony with the world around them.

And I think that's like, you can find good people like that in any religion who are like interested in the most like ethical, kind way to practice, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's definitely the reaction here and it's also kind of combined with the negativity that surrounds witchcraft that has always kind of been part of it too. It was like, why even invite that negativity by releasing information that you've hexed the moon?

Are you like, it's a very kind of troll vibe, I think, like a, the internet as like this deep gross troll layer for people just to like fuck around with people, you know what I mean? I did find from an older witch kind of talking about this dichotomy and not really like jiving, I suppose, with the online aspect. And she was saying how, and she is, she does remain anonymous in this article that I used. So there's that. But she believes TikTok witches are trend hoppers who practice purely because of the

aesthetic and the following it grants them. So her direct quote is whether it stunts like hexing our moon, or making a mockery of the rest of us by posting clips with crude sounds and effects, the whole thing sets us back. That's hard, though. It's so hard, right? Because it's like, how, how are you going to deny this younger generation, this outlet that they have their way of expressing themselves, their way of and I will say, I know people who are friends of mine who practice witchcraft, and I know people who I'm in touch

with online, whether it's via social media or via other ways, that are really big in a witchcraft. And I certainly didn't, if you had asked a young Taylor Basso in elementary school, Taylor, how many witches will you be casual acquaintances with when you grow up? I would have said zero, sir, I thought witches were done. In whatever way there has been this resurgence of witchcraft among young people, among young queer people, among young people of color, among all of these groups that gravitate towards it for whatever reason.

And I get that, and I think that's so exciting, but I can also imagine being someone who practiced this thing when it was more stigmatized or when it was expressed in a totally different way and it was something you have to be a lot more secretive about and whatever. I can totally understand them looking at this generation with this weird mix of, on the one hand, I wish I would have had that for myself, and on the other hand, you're not at all going about it the way that I would like you to go about it, and I was in here fighting this fight or whatever. Right, yeah.

I think, yeah, I mean, I think for me, I really understand a younger generation wanting to use this medium, like my niece who's nine, she lives on TikTok. If she's not watching TikTok, she's making a TikTok or she's thinking about a TikTok that she wants to make. Is this the niece that I went to the amusement park with with you? Yes. We went to Belmont Park together, remember it very fondly. You don't want anyone at an amusement park on a roller coaster next to you more than you

want, Josie Mitchell. Oh, Taylor McChavasso. 100%. I would ride an amusement park ride with you over anybody in my life. You have the perfect scream. Yeah. You have the perfect... You have the blood curdling scream, but I'm never concerned that you're going to pass

out because you look like you're having fun. It's great. It's on the edge. I cannot talk you up as an amusement park companion enough. I danced that line, I think pretty well, of like, I'm going to die, but I'm going to have a great time dying. I'm going to die, but if I'm going to die, I might as well enjoy it. Like that ride we did outside of Mexico City that I did not know went upside down?

I told you that it went upside down and you said no, it doesn't. You just refused to listen to me. So you knew it went upside down. But I didn't believe that it went upside down. Why would I lie? What am I, a psychopath? Why would I lie? You had like a huge, shit-eating grit on your face.

You wanted me to scream. Because I thought it was funny and it was. It was. It truly was. You had a story about baby witches that you still, that I have interrupted you 85 times on. No. Oh, oh.

I was talking about my niece, Chase, who lives in, and lives in briefs on TikTok. And you know, part of me is like, hmm, but it's also like, eh, you know, people telling me not to watch as much TV when I was a kid. So at least, at least this is an interactive thing. And I do have to say she's a gnarly editor. The TikTok videos she puts together are like, boom, boom, boom, boom. They're on it. That's a cool thing about being young in this day and age is you have more exposure to those

kind of, like we would get exposure to, we do computer lab and whatever. And we'd learn that way. But like the stuff that kids these days have in the palm of their hands is pretty nice. And you know, that's, if that, if that's the way that you interact with the world, like that's, I don't know, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's just a new thing. Right. So like, why take that away?

Yeah, but I think it's really hard because you see it again and again where older generations look at younger generations and whatever the gap is between them, it feels like both sides are kind of misunderstanding each other a bit. You see it in like queer communities as well. Like it's the, the older generation feels like the younger generation doesn't have an appropriate amount of respect for the stuff that they went through, which is often valid. Right. And then you feel like that, but then it's hard when you're the younger generation and

what you've grown up in is all that you know, right? Yeah. And you've got to kind of find your own way and your own identity and stuff too. Yeah. And also kind of like, are you paying attention to, you know, in those snares, are you paying attention to the conversation between generations? Are you paying attention to the stigma that is being placed on both generations? Do you know what I mean?

Like, are you paying attention to like all the, the negativity that you got as a practicing witch when you were practicing in the 80s, right? And are you, so are you paying more attention to that than you are to like these young baby witches who are kind of learning ropes and trying to understand, trying to understand their own practice and their own way of identifying with it, right? And so it's like, is the conversation between the two of you or is this kind of this negative third energy coming in too, right? It's hard being a human's hard, talking to other humans is hard.

Real tough. Real little tough. Yeah. And I think, yeah, it's, I think it's particularly interesting in terms of witchcraft though. And I think that's why I'm like so drawn to it. I don't know. I think there, there is, and like the witch talk that I've been consuming for the past week also is really a big part of it.

A big focus is kind of aesthetic. So it's like, like the look of your videos and like how like... But I think that's also just social media. Right. No, it's totally just social media. Regardless of what community you're a part of, if you're trying to make a go of it as someone in that community, in a social media context, your videos need to look a certain way and you need to be talking in a certain voice and you need to be, you know what I

mean? Yeah. Yeah. You could go look up fucking who, whose island do I want my Animal Crossing Island to look like. Yeah. And it's going to be some, some chick who put on the filters. Right.

Yeah. And made a very cute, very specific island. Maybe the, maybe the thing that I'm, I'm like, I understand that, but when I like bump up to witchcraft and social media in that way, I think what I'm, what doesn't like compute for me is that all of these forms, all the social media do have kind of like a capitalistic money-making component to them, like having a certain amount of followers means you can do X, Y, and Z and, you know, like ads and like there's all this, that are kind of baked into the programs, baked into the platforms.

And I think that's where the witchcraft thing kind of like butts heads for me because it's like, are you, are you being really, really aware slash critical of those platforms? Um, you know, these platforms that are a base to educate and share and create community about a witchcraft, which is like pre-industrial, pre-capitalist, you know, like these things that I don't want to even call it anti-capitalist because I, it's before all of that. Do you know what I mean? Like sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I don't know. I think there's something really interesting about that connection and, but, you know, it goes further than witchcraft. Like that's my same concern for Chase is like, are you, are you paying attention to how this might be like monetizing you in some way or making you monetize, making you think about how to monetize yourself and your cute little dance or your cute little editing and or not even your cute, like your expert, gnarly nine year old editing, you know, like. That, yeah.

This is why the idea of talking to a young person about how to, I don't know, consensually self monetize, not self monetize if you don't want to self monetize, but if you do want to self monetize, here are the best ways to go about it. Like fuck. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like one sliver of like this ginormous suck pie.

Yeah. That's a good point that it's like, it's, it's kind of indicative of all these other things that we're questioning. And then like we're giving young kids to deal with even though adults hadn't, hadn't figured it out at whatsoever. Right. Like, like my mom's on TikTok, she calls it tic tac, which is adorable. Alice is on tic tac.

Tic tac. Yeah. What is she doing? She only watches things. She doesn't make any content as of yet. You're right. You're right. And she'll like, she'll watch the little like life hack things and like the little magic

tricks and she loves it. She's like, I was watching the tic tac and it's great. She does treat it like, like she was watching CNN and then she was watching tic tac. You know, it's pretty. You know what? That seems like a healthy way to consume that. Right. Yeah.

So where are we in your story? Yeah. I want to share one more kind of quote, which I think is really interesting too. And you know, I think it's kind of like, well, I'll say two more quotes because I think there's something interesting and for both of these. One for each of us. Yeah. One quote a piece.

And this is from a, a witch talk user and creator, but also they're on a few other social media platforms. And this is a quote from a niece, Alexandra. And she says, I never want to be the elder witch complaining about how to open the PDF or whatever the new fangled thing is in the future when I'm a crone, I'll be the pink haired granny cottage core witch with her anime eye contact lenses living it up in the VR world. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. Which I love on a lot of levels. I think, I think there's a lot going in there. Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say, I don't know if that I was ready for all of that. Right.

Comma, comma, comma VR world. Absolutely. I mean, sure. Me too. Yeah. Me too. I agree. Totally me too.

You know what? I've thought about it. I've synthesized it. No unrotated PDFs for me. Cottage core VR world. Yeah. Anime eye contact lenses. Anime eye.

Yeah. And I mean, and that's also to say too that there are plenty of people from the older witch community who, who are like, you know what, technology is, it's always here. You know, my, you know, I'm sure my foremothers didn't want me talking on the phone to my coven, but I did. So there we go. You know, it's like, it's, it's changing and it'll, I think it's just like hearing all of those descriptors though, within that future.

I'm kind of like, yeah, there's a heavy aesthetic there. There's a focus on, on like, I heard the aesthetic in that. I was like, but the thing is, the thing is, I'm talking out of line now. No one's going to give a shit about cottage core in a year. Let me just say that. I'm going to let me go on my anti cottage core. Ooh. Ooh.

Yes. Let me sip my tea as you, as you rant. Let me tell you, you remember how I mentioned animal crossing earlier and how the influencers need to be just so well, cottage core is like the animal crossing Island aesthetic. You just put these random fucking wooden stakes around your animal crossing Island, put fucking white flowers here, you know, whatever there. I think it's ugly as hell. So I don't know.

I might, I might cut that from the final product. We don't want to get some, I want the cottage core people on my back. Don't fucking come kill me. Um, but yeah, sorry, go ahead. So you had to, but you had a second quote also that I think like this, this kind of puts it all in perspective, at least for me. And this is from a space archeologist. What is a space archeologist?

They archive and chronicle objects that have gone in to, or that are in space. So just like you would our, our college eyes, pottery shards, you should. You almost got away with it. I couldn't keep a straight face. I'm sorry. It's okay. I wasn't keeping a straight face through all of that. So it's okay.

Uh, but yeah, you keep track of what's in, in space and archive it for future generations to know. That's very cool. I had no idea such an occupation existed. And it sounds incredibly interesting. Well, Alice Gorman. You can Wikipedia her, find out more, but she had, she was interviewed in part of, part of one of these, um, discussions that I researched and she was saying how, um, and a quote, there

seems to be this broad societal tendency to just denigrate anything that young women are interested in. Yeah. Which I think is kind of like, kind of like the last little wave, wavelets of this topic is that it's like, why not? You know what I mean? Where are those anime eye contact lenses? Where the cardigan?

Yeah. I was already there before I even had that second quote though. I know. I literally just heard it once and I was like, yeah, anime eyes, sure. I don't got anything planned. That's better than what I got planned. Right? So let's do it.

I know. Like poof. I hope my knees work and. Yeah. I'm not leaving this apartment anytime soon. Right. I know. I think there's something really.

I don't want to have to shop around in a pandemic. Right. I'm really refreshing about someone talking about the future and that, and that much. Yeah. Like the foresight. In any sort of positive way as well. Right. Yeah.

But I'll take it. Yeah. I'll take it. And I mean, I think that's the other layer to this too is that it's like all during this pandemic time where if you are denigrating any type of online connection, you kind of have to put it in the scope of the pandemic is like, really, because that's how we can all kind of keep some shred of sanity is having communal connections online. Is attempting to hex the moon.

Well, don't do that. I think the, I think go ahead. Were you going to go? I was going to go the moral of the story. Yes. Okay. So I was also going to go moral of the story. Okay.

You first, because you said it first. Well, I think the moral of the story is do your research, don't hex the moon. Like get your baby, baby witch, but down in a chair, read a book, get on witch talk, learn some shit, move on. Yeah. My moral of the story was also going to be don't hex the moon. So it seems we are in agreement. Oh, wow.

That's our first unanimous moral. Don't hex the moon. That was, that was a bit of a trip. I really did not see that coming. I'm so surprised that you didn't know you have your moon tattoo. You love Marianne Williamson. You're Marianne Williamson tattoo. I mean, listen, we don't talk about little Mary, I, yeah, I had no idea.

That was really interesting. Thank you for letting me know about all that. Oh, I am, I am more than delighted to share what, and now I am following all these witch talkers tomorrow is the full moon. If you would like to know tomorrow is the full moon, put out some moon water. It'll energize it. You can use it for spells, filter it, don't let it mold. All right, on behalf of Josie Mitchell and myself, I thank you so much for listening

and stay sweet. The sources I used for this story were a series of articles. The first one being from CNET called Tiktok Witches are fighting for the online future of witchcraft. Written by Steph Connecasio on September 11th, 2020, an article from Nine Lawn called inside hashtag witch talk where the coming goes online by Lauren McCarthy, July 6th, 2020. I also looked at Here's the Deal with people talking about Hexing the Moon, an article by Lauren Strepigiel from Buzzfeed, and that was published July 20th, 2020.

Teen Vogue had an article I looked at called Why Witches Hexing the Moon Doesn't Actually Work by Visa Stardust, published July 23rd, 2020. A special shout out to At Proencia for giving me the idea to look at this at all through their poetry busting request, so thank you so much. A shout out to At Sleepy Burr for posting the Twitter thread that was explaining what's going on with the moon. They were often quoted in all these articles I found. Special thanks to Marianne Williamson's Twitter as well.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings with the world. And special thanks too to Witch Talk and all y'all who are on there, keep up the good work. The song you are currently listening to is Tea Street by Brian Steele.