Bittersweet Infamy - #8 - Bayou of Pigs

Episode Date: February 7, 2021

Josie tells Taylor about the time white supremacists tried to overthrow the government of Dominica. Plus: the aftermath of the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Josie from the podcast here just about to listen to. In this episode, we discussed the January 6th insurrection. If you don't feel ready to both laugh at and parse out the event just yet, then you might want to listen to this episode later. We also do talk about white supremacy at length, so take note and take care. Hello and welcome to Bitter Sweden for me, the podcast about infamous people, places and things. I'm Taylor Basso. I'm Josie Mitchell.
Starting point is 00:00:52 My friend Josie is going to tell me a story. I don't know what it'll be. The only rule? The subject matter must be infamous. So Josie, I'd like to start this week with a quote, and it's actually from you from one of our most recent episodes, and you said, I've actually been trying to stay away from a lot of news because it makes me cry. So we just recorded those episodes in late December, and the month that has unfolded
Starting point is 00:01:31 since has been quite a monumental one in American history. How you doing? How you doing? I'm okay. I think I'm taking the advice of my quote and staying away when though January 6th with the instruction, I was glued to cable TV, and... Yeah, don't you hate how that happens, and you're watching the news, and you see the devices at work, but you are loathe to turn it off because you want to be informed, but
Starting point is 00:02:06 then at the same time you're like, dumbass ABC News, that is not the question that you should have put to that Republican senator about this. When I bounced back between, I think it was watching CNN, and then I was like, I want to see what Fox News is saying, because I thought the tenor of their reporting would reveal a lot about the reaction, and I was like, okay, well, they're calling them terrorists, okay, interwoven with rioters or protestors or whatever, but I was surprised with the line they took. Yeah, I was like you, I was glued to the TV, and I feel like I was actually quite early
Starting point is 00:02:46 to the metaphorical party on this one, obviously not a literal party unless you mean the Republican party. Right, GOP. At 4 p.m. I actually had to say to my boss straight up, yo, I'm going to be useless for the rest of the day because there seems to be a violent insurrection ongoing, and I think that the days since, I don't know if you've obviously been keeping up with any of the news since, but the shit that I've been reading makes it sound a lot more nefarious than even it seemed originally.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah, yeah, I think there's such a weird tenor to it all because on one level, of course, it was disturbing and gross, like, I think that's a good word, gross, icky, icky, icky, but then on the other, it was funny, it was like the logic of that, and like some of the, like I saw this TikTok of a guy who was at one of the doors and they had been barricaded and somebody was videoing him from inside and he was at the door and he was like pantomiming and he was like, let me in, open the door, open, open the door, and he was like, this is, wait, what, like this is ridiculous, and yet, I don't know, it was all very, so like the tonally, it felt very strange to me, it was just all over the place.
Starting point is 00:04:07 No, I get it, and I think that that's part of, I mean, that's something that I'm cautious about anytime I'm looking into like QAnon shit or whatever because for those not aware, QAnon basically is a far right conspiracy theory that among many very strange and unbelievable things says that people like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros are all part of this like bloodthirsty, cabal elites who are running the world and they're all pedophiles and they're all bathing in children's blood, and President Trump is divinely appointed by God and is the only person who can stop them, and that sounds ridiculous, and when you look at people like Jake Angelly, this QShawming guy with the horns and the fur, you look
Starting point is 00:04:54 at him and say like, you say what a ridiculous person, what a ridiculous thing, but at the same time like, it behooves us to take it seriously because absurd people are capable of violence too, if you think that someone has been like divinely appointed by God to save your nation and that Joe, the real Joe Biden died 20 years ago and he's been body swapped with a deep state, you know what I mean? And that's your motivation, that's what's making you act, that's so powerful, like that kind of conviction, even if it's in something where I'm literally looking and I'm like, yeah, but time travel doesn't exist, yeah, but you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:05:31 The earth is not flat. Exactly. Yeah, the humor in it is very fleeting, I suppose. But we are recording this on our, I see blue snowball mics, a day after, a week after President Trump was, impeachment proceedings began on him and passed in the house, and now the day after a new president has been inaugurated. Yeah, did you watch the inauguration at all? No, I had a bad headache, so I slept through it by accident.
Starting point is 00:05:59 That's fair. What was that so question? What was that giant, you know how he swore himself in on that like gigantic book? It looked like- Oh, I didn't see that. It looked like a cake shaped like a book, it was massive. Was it just a large print Bible? Probably, but I guess that makes the most sense now that you really put it that way.
Starting point is 00:06:21 No, it was pretty wild. I think at one point, Mikshal was like, when Lady Gaga came on, I think, it was like, I don't know what dimension this is, like, what's happening, like- I think we're all still in a bit of shock, too, from just everything that's unfolded over the last four years, that like, I still haven't reconciled myself to the fact that someone else is going to be the president of the U.S. No, no, neither of I. Is, it's not, not is going to be is, currently is, has been for some time now.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Yeah, yeah, over 24 hours. And what do you do, like, within the first like four hours of official business, he signed an executive order that put the U.S. back in the Paris Climate Agreement. Like, all the, yeah, stuff has already started and I'm still like- Did, wait, what? Did you see Ted Cruz's response to that? No. He said, like, classic Biden, more concerned about people in Paris than people in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:07:19 That's not- It's like, you, you don't know what the Paris Agreement is, do you, sir? Also, Mr. Cruz, there's a Paris, Texas. So you don't, that statement, doesn't even make sense. Oh, and checkmate, checkmate. That's the nice thing about Texas. There's always, there's a city or a small town with the name of somewhere else. San Diego, Texas, that's a place.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Really? Yeah. There's probably a Vancouver, Texas. And on, on that note, it is time for my favorite part of the month, every month, and I get to hear, not, not even like a weird, I'm afraid, listen. How did you turn this on me and not even talk? You go ahead. All right, dude.
Starting point is 00:08:09 It's take me away, take me away. So while I haven't been paying very, very close attention to current news, I have been digging into some American history and especially after watching the inauguration and all these comments about how democracy has won and we've triumphed and still being in this mood of like, have we, aren't we still in the middle of it? Like it didn't take a day to just get to this, nor will it take a day to get out of it, you know, like these feelings. So I wanted to point out another plot, political white supremacist, far right wing led plot
Starting point is 00:08:53 to overthrow the island nation of Dominica in 1981, a group of American and Canadian. I'm not off the hook. No one is, white supremacists, attempted to stage a coup. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, dude. This whole thing, it has two names, one name that was given to it by the ATF, the, what does that stand for again?
Starting point is 00:09:22 The Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. There we go. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Agents, and then the other name given to it by the people who planned it. So I'll let you guess which is which. Oh Christ, is it going to be the greatest thing in the world versus Flopgate? Is that what I'm looking at here? Bayou of Pigs. That's cutting.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Operation Red Dog. Oh no, oh, ew. Okay. Have you heard this? No, I have not. This is all brand new to me. Okay, good. So we were talking about this earlier with the January 6, 2021,
Starting point is 00:09:58 and how there's some deeply disturbing elements to it. And there's also some strangely humorous elements and like tone-wise, it's all over the place. So I want to, I want to caveat this story with that because there is some very gross white supremacist, just, you know, dangerous and dumb and just like horrible stuff that beliefs that fuel this and yet some of the outcomes are subjectively funny, you know? So. Thank you for putting that out there first because I feel like it's always, it's a weird little line we walk when we do a show like this because I felt that a bit
Starting point is 00:10:44 during the Betty Broderick episode where I kind of got off afterwards and was like, oh did I just spend too long yasqueening a murderer? So like just the nature of infamy means that the stories that we're telling often have these very outrageous, memorable, campy, sometimes very funny particulars, but usually they're built on a bedrock of something very illicit, whether it's crime, whether it's hate, whether it's, you know, whatever. And so just that's something that I'm mindful of when I tell my stories on this. And hopefully it's something that people are mindful of when they listen to us talk.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Yeah. And I guess it just like, it feels a little bit more palpable right now because I'm in that state of examining a more recent recurrence too. And also understanding that when you dismiss something as completely humorous, you can dismiss a lot of the underlying pinnings that almost make it harder. It makes it harder to learn lessons from it. So we'll trot down this path and see where it gets us. Okie doke. I also kind of imagine this as a bad Oceans 11 where all the characters are like,
Starting point is 00:11:51 oh, we need this guy. But they all suck. And like, they all suck. Yeah. So keep that in mind. Like if you could have that kind of like roaming in the back of your head. Shitty Oceans 11. Oceans 11 is just like the first guy they found off Craigslist.
Starting point is 00:12:07 I got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of freeze frames. Lots of, you know, like fast jazz and fedoras. You know. Okay. Okay. We're going to start with Mark Eugene Perdue.
Starting point is 00:12:21 I want you to imagine a guy in his early 30s. He's got a mustache, aviator sunglasses. He's like a bodybuilder type. He's like ripped. Right. He lives in Houston, Texas. You know, going so local with your stories, man. I can't keep up.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Houston's a large city. Fair enough. But he did live in Montrose, which is down the road on Marshall Street, in a house that was finally appointed with antiques. The devil's always in the details, hey? They weren't attributed to Mark, but rather to his quote unquote roommate, Ron Cox. So there's, there wasn't any definitive things that I found about this, but there was a lot of.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Innuendo. Innuendo and kind of hush tones that Perdue, Mark Perdue was homosexual. Okay. There's a long history of roommates as Innuendo, I think. Exactly. That's classic. Yeah. And also Ron Cox owned a wholesale design drapery store called,
Starting point is 00:13:24 and I think you'll like this, Final Curtain. Ooh, Morbid. Yeah. No, I like that. I like that a lot, actually. Yeah, he's gay. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:33 In case our listeners didn't know, Taylor has this very special skill where he can name stores with the best little punny names. Typically they're fish and ship, uh, fish and ship. I can't say that word. Fishing chip shops though. That's, you know what? Here's what's going to happen. You're going to need to put me on the spot to do this right now,
Starting point is 00:13:57 and either I'm going to sink or I'm going to swim. So what am I naming? You are naming a store that does, um, custom halters for dogs and cats. Custom halters for dogs and cats. Or harnesses. I call them halters. Yeah, I was thinking like halter tops. And I was like, so like sexy dogs is who, is who I'm naming for here.
Starting point is 00:14:15 You could, if you take it that way, yeah, that works. Hot bitches. That's the best I got. I'm sorry. I thought that was great. I'd go there in a second. Yeah. That was nice.
Starting point is 00:14:30 So Perdue is a Vietnam vet and he quote unquote makes a living as a mercenary. So, and that's a quote unquote because like how deal, like how like how Dale Gribble from fucking king of the hill makes a living as a mercenary, but he's like a pet. Well, yeah, I mean a little bit of that and also a little bit of like, there's no record of it. Well, he wouldn't be a very good mercenary if there was a record would he? Okay, so Vietnam vet, mercenary quote unquote, he is always talking about war,
Starting point is 00:15:00 always telling stories from Vietnam or from his time in Rhodesia when he was fighting against black liberation fronts or in Nicaragua when he was gun running. And he's always hating on commies. Commies, commies is his thing. Pinko commies. Yeah, yeah, it's late 70s. So we're kind of at, you know, we're in the height of the Cold War. So that's like, there's a lot of steam, a lot of energy for that anti-communist.
Starting point is 00:15:25 He definitely has issues according to his brother Bill as a child. He was known to kill cats. Always a bad sign. On my farm. Always a bad sign. I've never put you this way, Josie. I've never known a person who killed cats who I liked. Well put, I'm glad.
Starting point is 00:15:40 I mean veterinarians, but that's different. That's different. No, we're not, yeah. We're not anti-vets. We're not anti-vets. Except for this vet who seems like he kind of sucks. He might, yes, yes, he does, he does. So he grew up in Tennessee and as a young kiddo, he quickly joined a gang that was heavily
Starting point is 00:15:58 influenced by the KKK. When he was 18, he enlisted in the Marine Corps. And then when he got out, according to his brother, he was just badass lazy. That's a direct quote from his brother. Okay. So just like, not a good egg. No, no, a bad egg, something I'd say. During this time, a little side note here, there's some unrest in the island nation of
Starting point is 00:16:21 Granada in the Caribbean as well. So there's a deposed president who is seeking arms and foreign mercenaries to take the island back from what he deems to be Marxist lininess who have taken it over. So there's this atmosphere, again, high to the Cold War, communism is taken over, blah, blah, blah. So our dude, Perdue, is paying attention to that. He's also created a connection with David Duke, who at that time was the former imperial wizard of the KKK. Fuck David Duke.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Fuck David Duke. We should re-title the whole, the whole podcast. Fuck David Duke featuring melted ice cream. Yes, go. So Perdue approaches David Duke after a public meeting in which Duke has spoken and he brings up this Granada thing, being like, hey, maybe we should go in there and get rid of these Pinko commies. And David Duke is like, I'm not interested in that, but I do know some people who might be.
Starting point is 00:17:22 So here are some names. Oh my God, he's a connector. Yeah, he's a connector. He's a connector. David Duke gives him the name of Donald Andrews, who is a mutton chop sideburned dude. He walked with a limp, just so you know. He lives on the east side of Toronto. He's a Canadian.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah, but Toronto is like, listen, Canada as a nation is built on a genocide. So I can't, I can't really make it a petty Vancouver versus Toronto thing, but I want to. Right, right, I mean. That's my nature. That's our collective cultural nature is to just hate on people from Toronto. But we're all terrible, proceed. Andrews is a pretty horrible person. It was recorded at a studio recording at City TV.
Starting point is 00:18:11 There was a Jamaican band called Crack of Dawn who was playing. And him, Andrews, broke in and attacked the band. They slapped the nine year old lead singer. That's horrible. Yeah. And they kicked this woman, the wife of one of the musicians in the stomach. How? And then, and were there their rallying cry was all black should go back to Africa.
Starting point is 00:18:35 That's first of all, these people from Jamaica. Second of all, you can't like it drives me nuts that people become so emboldened by their causes and their rhetoric that they don't stop and look at their individual actions and think that, you know, whatever dumb bullshit you have in your head about white purity and whites being the master race and how this is a noble thing that you're doing, you were fucking slapping a child. Do you not like that? Does that engender no kind of cognitive overload in you?
Starting point is 00:19:09 The fact that you have these this fucking high opinion of yourself and just these miserable actions? Yeah. No, I think that's that's a very good, I don't know, reset button, I think to keep in mind. Because the story goes even deeper. Sorry, am I stressing you out by taking everything you say super seriously? No, no, it needs to be taken seriously. I'm glad, I'm glad you're doing it.
Starting point is 00:19:37 He runs a newsletter that's designed for mercenaries, so to like connect mercenaries to jobs. I fucking hate these mercenaries. I know, right? It's just like, what? Who's this for? It's for you. Shut up. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:19:51 He also ran for the mayor of Toronto in 1974 and placed second. He was he would have won now, so. Exactly, yeah. I know, that's true. So there's this coup going on in Granada and he's approached by Purdue about the unrest in Granada and how there's this communist influence happening in the island. Through David Duke, there's this connection to Purdue and Andrews is like, yeah, sure, let's do it.
Starting point is 00:20:18 This is, yeah, great. I'm on. The team. The team gets together in the heist movie. Exactly. But at this time, the the state of Granada is now firmly not state, but you know, the country, the state of matter of the country is now firmly in the power of Maurice Bishop, who is a self-proclaimed Marxist-Livisus linenist who has connections to Cuba and Nicaragua.
Starting point is 00:20:46 So it's firmly communist now. Later, the U.S. infiltrates in 83, but for now, it's not a good place to do this. But there is reconnaissance that Andrews and Purdue find that says the island of Dominica, which is 200 miles away, is. So Dominica and it's not the Dominican Republic. This this is Dominica. Dominica is a very small island of the Lesser Antilles. So it's kind of eastern.
Starting point is 00:21:17 It's smaller than New York City. Not population-wise. Well, that is tiny. Yeah. No, like size. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes that makes sense to me because New York City is quite a sprawling city and
Starting point is 00:21:34 some of those Caribbean islands, man, they are tiny. So they recently got independence from Britain. So in 78, there was the old prime minister named Patrick John. He had a scandal-ridden government. And so he was actually ousted through democratic means and a new prime minister was put into place. OK. But there's still a lot of unrest. There's a militant faction of Rastafarians called dreads who who are on the island and
Starting point is 00:22:02 who are pretty violent and pretty intense. And the reaction to them is anybody who wears dreads or has their hair in dreads is it can be jailed like dreads are outlawed. Wow. So there's a lot of like civil unrest and issues, even though there was a democratic election and democratic new prime minister put in place, it's still not doing too hot. And there's a huge hurricane that hits and decimates the island. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:34 And so Purdue in particular looks at this because the reconnaissance and says, I quote, Domenica would be so much easier. End quote. I bet it ends up being trickier than he thinks. Yeah. OK. Good. I'm glad.
Starting point is 00:22:47 That's my call. I think that maybe I think he might struggle a little with Domenica. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Got you. OK. Q.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Our next bad dude. Idiot. Yeah. Wolfgang Droge, D-R-O-E-G-E. I don't know if I'm saying that right. It's German. He's Drog. Drog.
Starting point is 00:23:09 I would think Drog. I don't know. I don't fucking know. Right. I know. Well, he goes by the name Wolf. So I'm just going to call him Wolf. Oh, Christ.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Yes, please. I hate that you're playing right into his hands by doing that. But yes, please. Well, I mean, I don't know. He's a squat, German-born Canadian man. He wears shirts that have wolves on them. That was a defining feature. What is, is he an animal crossing character?
Starting point is 00:23:35 What the fuck is this? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe this is all an animal crossing. Q. I have a shirt that I got in Japan. It's like a hoodie. And it says Taylor Gang All-Stars on it.
Starting point is 00:23:48 And it's on the sleeves. It says Taylor Gang or Die. And then I have, yeah, it's fucking great. It fits me like a dream. It's one of my favorite things I own. And then I've got a ball cap that I sometimes wear that I got from Winners on Sale. And it's Taylor Made, the golf company.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah. But then I often, like it's happened at least two or three times. I wear them together. And then I just look like such an asshole. You know what happens? So I'm saying, I'm saying maybe, maybe me and Wolf are, our politics are very different, but maybe we have some commonalities of spirit.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I don't know. Hope not. So he's definitely an outcast, or feels himself to be definitely an outcast in Canada. He moved to Canada as a young boy, but he still has a very strong German accent. As an outcast with these German roots, he gets inadvertently, not inadvertently,
Starting point is 00:24:39 he very directly pulls to neo-Nazi ideals and leanings and groups. And I mean, it's kind of the typical, like he felt like an outcast, the only way he could have power. Yeah. How outcasted white men radicalize to the cause of white supremacy.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Right? Yeah. Yeah. And he links up with Don Andrews. Don Andrews, I didn't mention this, but he heads up the Western Guard, which is the far right faction of Canadian politics. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Far, far. Sorry, which one is Andrews is the second guy, right? Andrews is the second guy. Andrews, Andrews got introduced to Purdue by David Duke. Yes. And now they're pulling in Wolf, who's this third guy? Yeah. Okay, sorry, just keep it up with the story.
Starting point is 00:25:23 No, no, no, exactly. No, no, no, there's a few things to keep track of, so I'm glad you're doing so. Wolf gets pulled in, he feels like a somebody, and he gets wrapped up further and further in Andrews neo-Nazi cause, and he becomes a founding member of the Canadian KKK. So through Andrews, Wolf and Purdue link up.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Purdue, the Houston guy, final curtain. Yeah. His roommate. So they have this idea together about Dominica. They hear the news about Granada, and they're like, that's not a good spot. Dominica is the place to go. Andrews, the first Canadian Torontonian,
Starting point is 00:26:03 he's still very much on the Granada fix because it's more in the news. He thinks it can happen. So Wolf and Purdue start to kind of pull together and make plans outside of planning with Andrews. But that's so awkward. When you and your white supremacist friends want to annex different Caribbean island nations,
Starting point is 00:26:21 you have to set up a different group thread, like fuck off. They didn't even have text messages. They were doing all of this by phone in person. Pages, the whole thing. Pages, oh, I bet they were paging each other constantly these three. So Wolf and Purdue start planning more and more.
Starting point is 00:26:37 They make trips to across the US. They, of course, need money. Neither of them have any money. And so they make often trips. Wait, I thought they were mercenaries. I thought they killed for profit in sport. Surely they would have a lot of money, I would think. No, they're very poor.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Oh, OK, good. Well, I glad you cleared that up. Yeah. They make trips, newer trips to Las Vegas. At this point, it becomes clear that Purdue is very much about infiltrating the island and doing so for financial gain. And Wolf is very much on the side of white supremacy and infiltrating this predominantly black nation
Starting point is 00:27:17 and turning it into a white supremacist stronghold. Right, OK. So they are getting some money from unnamed investors. Some are named. Some are not. I would keep my name off that one, personally. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:31 You use a pseudonym at least. Exactly. A guy. A guy. That's your name. B-roll yet, OSAP, instead of Taylor Basso. No one will catch on. So, but they're blowing a lot of the money traveling,
Starting point is 00:27:44 to and from Las Vegas. They do make a few trips to Domenica to figure shit out. And they're just like, they're not saving enough. They just don't know how to make this happen. Until in 1980, Perdue meets up with Patrick John, who is the ousted prime minister from Domenica. Right. So he had some shady government business,
Starting point is 00:28:08 and he was democratically elected out of office. If you know this, what is the nature of what he got kicked out of office for? Like, was it that he was embezzling? Was it a sex scandal? Just like in very vague terms. I'm not super positive. He was doing some stuff with the forms and shit that he shouldn't have been doing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Yeah, okay, got you. He feels very strongly that the government was stolen from him. Okay. That the new prime minister, whose name is Eugenia Charles, that she hates him personally, his personal vendetta against him, and that she got him kicked out of office unduly, unfairly without rhyme or reason. And yet again, it was a democratically elected election that got her out of office. Okay, so she was elected.
Starting point is 00:28:59 She wasn't like a replacement from his own party or something like that. No, she was elected. Got you. Yeah. So he writes up a very tentative contract, but a contract, a written document. That's stupid. Patrick. So stupid.
Starting point is 00:29:13 I know. You never leave a trail, anyway. Saying this document says that he is willing to financially back Perdue and Wolf's coup in order to regain power in Dominica. Fuck, that is, oh my god. Sometimes you just want to, you know, when you're watching Black Christmas or whatever horror movie and someone goes up the stairs when they're not supposed to, you just scream at them.
Starting point is 00:29:39 But you can't because not only is this fake, but it's in the past too, so it already happened. Yeah. That's how I feel about our friend Patrick John right now, where I'm literally like, anyway, I can't wait to find out how that comes back to fight him in the ass. I do think it's important to note too, Patrick John is Black. No, I assumed. So he's just, he's getting into bed. See, to me, that's a sign of someone who shouldn't be leading a country,
Starting point is 00:30:03 because if you're willing to get into bed with white supremacy, you know what I mean? Exactly, exactly. Also, it's just like to the other angle too, there's so many cracks in this, in this coup, this idea of what Perdue and Wolfe are doing because they're claiming these white supremacist objectives and goals and yet, I mean, I don't know. No, no, for sure. And they're claiming these, these like anti-communist goals and objectives, but the one of them is really just all about white power.
Starting point is 00:30:31 And the other one just really wants to get his back scratched. Yeah, exactly. So that's, so what is the nature, he's financially backing them. And then once they've shit stirred and gotten him reinstalled, what, what, in what way does he scratch their backs? Does he just kick back a bunch of money to them or what? Yeah, pretty much. So, so that was the tentative contract.
Starting point is 00:30:54 And then months later, they rig up a more finalized contract, a more detailed contract. I hope they killed the notary. I don't know, dude. I like that I think that they're like legit enough to use a notary, by the way, I'm precious. Well, okay, this part of the story, I think is particularly kind of gut-wrenching because it starts to take on a little bit more like legit. It sounds a little bit more legitimate. I don't think it is, but it sounds legitimate.
Starting point is 00:31:23 So the formal contract is between the Black Revolutionary Council, whose chairman is Colonel Patrick John. And the business Nordic Enterprises and Mike Perdue is the CEO. Right, right. So the whitest name imaginable and then Black Liberate, like come on. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So in the agreement, Perdue and Wolf will return Patrick to power within one month of overthrowing the current government or, you know, the current at the time government.
Starting point is 00:31:59 And then there would be the series of kickbacks that would happen. So certain people of Nordic Enterprises would get assigned to rules of power within Dominica. Right, right. And then they basically show up and collect a paycheck. Right, yeah. There would be casinos that would be allowed to run on the island, and then they would run money through the casinos, and it would go to Nordic Enterprises, that kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Everyone in this story is so full of shit. Yes. Because, I mean, I, listen, if there's one thing no one's ever said about me, it's that Taylor Basso knows to a precise how the Dominican governmental system works. I simply don't. But I have to imagine that it's more complicated than that to just steal, especially when you're not dealing with idiots, which all three of these people seem to be idiots.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and this deal is worth millions, according to this book, where I should say a lot of my sources are coming from, because surprisingly little resources to find more about this story, like more in depth. So I pulled a lot from this book called Bayou of Pigs, written by Stuart Bell. But part of the deal was that Nordic was obliged to train and employ Dominicans and invest 30% of its profits in the agricultural development and agro-industries. Construction of an international airport, tourism,
Starting point is 00:33:25 and other related developmental projects. So it could do what it wanted, the Nordic enterprises business, as long as it acted in the interest of national security and national development. So that's part of, I think, kind of the ickiness thing is that it's becoming like a deal. It's becoming, it's becoming a deal that legitimizes Purdue and Wolfe, who are just like, you know, sitting around in their Chevy being like, yeah, for companies. And it's like, wait. It legitimizes them, and it also, it uses an entire population as collateral, basically.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Exactly, yeah. Population that's really at risk as well. Yeah. They've just survived this horrific hurricane, and there's more slotted through the season. Like, it's ugly. I keep trying to put myself into the minds of the people who are making this agreement, and then just a big thick wall pushes me out. But the thing that I'm thinking right now is, how can you trust anyone at this table on their word, both on a kind of ethical moral level of like,
Starting point is 00:34:28 you're a black man sitting at a table with white supremacists, or you're a white supremacist sitting at the table with a black man or whatever. I feel like both sides would inherently distrust each other in that arrangement, and seek to screw one another. But then my second thought is that like, what, this contract isn't as good as the piece of paper that it's written on, because if I'm these white supremacists and I decide to screw over Patrick John, and Patrick John raises a stink about it, I'd be like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:34:53 take me to court, pull out the contract. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? That contract is worthless, because no, like, both sides have a vested interest in it never coming to light. No, it's just, it's wild to me that this got to this point, I think. And then it goes further. So Purdue starts putting together a plan to overthrow the Dominican government,
Starting point is 00:35:20 and he calls it Operation Red Dog. This name comes from two different sources. One is it's a play in football. Okay. You know, like a, I don't know, I don't know football, so it's like a- Go pods. Go pods, right, yeah. And the other source is that it's a rip-off of a coup.
Starting point is 00:35:42 And this is not just the name, this is the actual plan itself. It's a rip-off of a coup from the movie The Dogs of War, starring Christopher Walken, where Christopher Walken plays a mercenary who overthrows an African dictator. I hate these people so much. Apparently, like, it comes up in court documents, they're like, wait, is this, is this the movie The Dogs of War? Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's something else. That's something else. Okay. So part of the plan, and it's not insanely detailed, but I'm going to go into even less detail, but they're, they're going to travel from New Orleans by boat to Dominican.
Starting point is 00:36:29 They are going, at that point when they're off, off the coast, they're going to transfer to dinghies, and they're going to separate Operation Red Dog into three separate units. Red Dog One, Red Dog Two, and Red Dog Three. How are they separating into three units? It's three fucking guys. Oh, that's the other thing. They have to hire more mercenaries.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Oh my god. Well, good thing they probably know a few. Right, exactly. So it's the whole operation in conjunction with Patrick John is comprised of more foreign mercenaries. The Dominican Defense Force, so he's going to like infiltrate that and have people through, but he's also working with the militarized Rastafarian cohort in Dominican the Dreads.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Interesting, okay. And they're going to neutralize local defense defenses. They're going to seize the radio station and armory, and then finally they'll depose Charles, Eugenia Charles, the prime minister. Right. Purdue draws a sketch of what this will look like, and you can see this sketch online. It's, it's, it's not on a bar napkin, but it might as well be on a bar napkin. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Lots of arrows, lots of Xs. Yeah, when someone dies, they have little Xs for eyes. Yeah, yeah, I got you. Maybe a sun, a sunshine in the corner, but it's wearing sunglasses. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But this is serious work, so it's all in pen.
Starting point is 00:37:51 There's no color. Don't worry. No, no, no. Erases are for pussies. So Purdue needs to recruit 30 mercenaries, 30 people who will do this for money, do this coup, kill people for money. He figures out that he can pay each of them $3,000, which I guess in 1981, I don't know. Is that like a million dollars?
Starting point is 00:38:13 75,000 at least. Okay. I mean, a lot of people who they pulled as mercenaries, their claims were, you know what, I was making 350 as a janitor, so this was better. You know, like 350 an hour, you know, it's just like, what? People also, I think you'll find this out. I'll find this out through your story, but we also obviously talked about in the intro, people will do whatever to feel big and feel like they're a part of something.
Starting point is 00:38:41 And that's the other thing that he's trying to sell. He says, I'll give you shares in Nordic enterprises. But he thinks that for those who might not be tempted by that money, he's like, well, there's also patriotism. There's also the love of democracy. There's also following our fearless leader, Ronald Reagan, into the fray. And get rid of the communists who are trying to take over the world, taking over the Caribbean in particular.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Cool. Thank you. Love, Ronald Reagan. So they end up, when it comes to actually recruiting people, they have a mix of U.S. and Canadian mercenaries that they get in line. Wolf has much more luck recruiting people because he's more closely tied to the KKK. And he's much more, I guess. He's a people person.
Starting point is 00:39:31 He's more persuasive when it comes to the white supremacist line. And that seems a little bit more doable for people than the money, because the money's not very much. And Purdue's trying to go the money route. Wolf is doing the ideological route, and the ideological route is more productive. When a guy named Wolf, who is wearing a shirt that also has wolves, tries to persuade you ideologically. No, don't.
Starting point is 00:39:55 It's a little too on the nose. Yeah. I would be like, my name's not Wolf, and where does that leave me? Right. Because I can see what you care about. Wolf finds this mercenary who signs up named Don Black. He becomes important-ish a little bit later in the telling, but he also is a KKK member who developed and created the white supremacist website Stormfront.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I know Stormfront. Not that I spend a lot of time there, but I know of it. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of a huge early hub for white supremacy throughout North America. Yeah, that was around when I was in high school, Stormfront was around. So according to Don Black, later after some of this, further on down the stories when he's at court, he says that Purdue gave him the distinct impression that their cause was backed by the US government and was backed by the Reagan administration.
Starting point is 00:40:50 There was no proof. There was nothing to say that, but Purdue was persuading people by saying that this was, you know, a state department thing. I mean, I honestly think that it echoes what we see now with this like QAnon, the storm is coming, blah, blah, blah. A lot of these people are like, whether it was someone who was storming the capital, or there was actually a mobster who got killed recently by a QAnon person. It wasn't even an organized crime thing.
Starting point is 00:41:17 It was just a QAnon person had become convinced that for whatever reason this person needed to die. And the article that I read about it, it said that he believed that he could act without repercussion because he felt like the president, the phrase that they used was, he enjoyed the personal protection of President Donald J. Trump. He was so emboldened by this particular cause and the fact that the president had not only not denounced it, but as we kind of saw on the day with the Capitol poured a bunch of gasoline on it, that he felt just sort of through osmosis because he was acting in the form of right that the president had given him his blessing.
Starting point is 00:41:56 That kind of sounds like here too, why like, if I was some young wannabe mercenary schmuck, and I was real rallied around the cause of annexing Dominica to stick it to those commies, and who is more emblematic of like American prosperity and capitalism than Ronald Reagan, right? Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's a really good point and that ties so closely to what is happening today is that kind of like, yeah, that dog whistle kind of thing, that wolf whistle, if you will. Oh, wow. That was good. That was nice. So now enters another Vietnam that named Mike Howell. Okay. He was a helicopter gunner in Vietnam. He lives in New Orleans and he is contacted pretty much out of the blue by Purdue and asked
Starting point is 00:42:54 if he could be hired to run the boat from New Orleans to Dominica. Okay. So Mike Howell, who has no connections to the KKK, no connections to David Duke, Don Black, none of it. He's just a vet who's, who runs his boat called Manana out of, out of New Orleans. Okay. At first, it's just like, oh, it's just a couple of those buddies who are going down that's Purdue's, you know, line and then Howell gets a little bit more like, well, you guys are going to go all the way to Dominica? Like, that's far, you know, like, starts asking some questions, some very light questions. And such as, such as, so why did you need me to drive you to Dominica? Right. Exactly. And Purdue responds, we're going to overtake the government. This is a CIA State
Starting point is 00:43:46 Department backed coup. This is important for democracy. The leadership down there is all types of corrupt and we're going to go down there and clean it up. They're going to drain the swamp. They're going to drain that little baby island swamp. Yes. My cow, bless his soul, says, huh, you know, I just, I don't think the CIA or the State Department would walk up to me on a Sunday afternoon and ask about chartering a boat to stage a coup. Like something feels. Chester got make, but he's also very aware that he doesn't want to scare Purdue away. So his, he responds very kind of neutrally to Purdue with all this to the tune of with Purdue's request. He just says, the boat is capable of this.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Ooh. Nice. Good. That's quick thinking, Mike. I know. Finally, Mike, bless his soul. Finally, a protagonist for this film. Right. That's, I think that's what I was missing in this story. My cow. Yes. I think that was it. That was it. That was it. So how my cow will come by his full name. A full address. He contacts law enforcement. He knows a special agent, John Osberg, who's an undercover agent. And it's Sunday afternoon, as he said, and he calls asks for John. He has, I guess, a number that can get that deep into whatever system. John has the day off Sunday, so he's not there. So he gets in contact with another undercover agent and my cow tells him everything. The agent is pretty much like, is this a joke? I'm sorry. What? My cow is like,
Starting point is 00:45:36 Dave, is that you again? You really got me this time. Hang up. This is my work line. It's Sunday. Mike says, no, this is not a joke. And the agent responds, well, we'll call you on Monday. We'll call you tomorrow. So. Did they call him on Monday? They called him on Monday and everything got set up and they're like, holy fucking shit. What? Wait, what? Wait, who? Wait, when? At that point, they don't, I mean, they just have the Sunday afternoon conversation and the chartering the boat to go off of. So they approached my cow and they say, do you want to be a confidential informant on this? We can mic you. We can tap your telephone. You could get us the information. And my cow is like, oh yeah. Fuck yes, I will. Sounds dope. He's a total rube about it. He like,
Starting point is 00:46:32 he gets really into it. He's like a little starstruck. Yeah. He's a little starstruck. He's like, he's talking too much on the phone when he's having phone conversations with Purdue and the agents are like transcribing it and they're like, Mike, Mikey, you gotta. Less is more. Less is more, Mike. And eventually they have John Osberg, the agent that he knows. They have him kind of join up with my cow as like a co-captain of Manana. Sorry, just a brief interruption. I think that part of maybe why my cow didn't trip people by being too enthusiastic is that everyone involved in this project is such a weird keener about it. Exactly. They're all like, why wouldn't you want to talk endlessly about our glorious annexation of the Caribbean island of Dominica? Yeah,
Starting point is 00:47:19 I think you're right. I think they were so maybe so stuck in the company that they kept who and everyone was like, yeah, just like, yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That they would never, they would never think about, which is that I think that's of course, we'll see it's the major misstep because Mike Howell is not connected to white supremacy. He's not, you know, he doesn't have these ties. He's not on the fringe in the same way. I think he might be on a fringe. I don't know that much about him, but he wasn't on their fringe. No, and I also think that like, all of these people, these are people whose stupidity and and really more than stupidity, this is these are people whose sloppiness. See, now I've shifted over the moral
Starting point is 00:48:02 outrage phase and I'm into my Virgo phase where I'm like, I could have done this better. I think that I think that their sloppiness was always going to come back to bite them. And it just happened to be with picking the wrong guy to do the boat thing with, but it could have been with Patrick St. John or it could have been with all these weird, it could have been their shitty plan that they drew up on a bar napkin, more or less. Something was always going to hopefully bite these people. And in this case, it was, you know, their own hubris, which seemed like it was always going to be the case. Mike Howell becomes the informant. Osberg gets on board with it, literally on board. He's on the manana when Purdue has a scheduled meeting. Purdue gets on board to meet
Starting point is 00:48:47 with Mike Howell and then Mike Howell's good buddy slash co-captain, John, just John, no last name. Purdue doesn't ask about a last name. Like share. Like share. Yeah. Purdue starts talking, his lips are flying. He's telling about the whole plan, telling about how many people, how many guns, the whole plan, da, da, da, da, da. He's not worried at all that there's another guy on board who doesn't have a last name. This is fucking amateur hour. Yeah, right. Sorry. Sorry. This is, this is amateur hour, man. Yeah, it's pretty rough. And then this part of the story, I have to say, it gets a little murky for me. So there's not a lot of details, but word does get out through the Dominican defense force that there is some shadiness going on and that
Starting point is 00:49:33 Patrick John, the former prime minister is involved. So there's, there's someone, someone leaked. There's a leak. Somebody leaked, but not all of the details on the, on the American slash Canadian side are out. It's just that Patrick John is somehow involved in, he's been, he's been sniffing around, sniffing around. So he actually is arrested. He's jailed. Eugenia Charles gets word of it. The Red Dog three. Red Dog three. Yeah. Oh, damn it. I know. So things are set back. Wolf and Purdue are like, wait, what, how are we going to do this? They need to have more mercenaries recruited to do this, but they keep on keeping on. They hire more and more mercenaries. I think a few people fell away. Who knew there was such a thriving marketplace for mercenaries? I know. I feel like I just,
Starting point is 00:50:22 is this part of the Caribbean? Like, I don't get it. Like why? How? They're not my circles. They're not my circles. You're right. So maybe that's, maybe we're the rubes here. Maybe Alice is a mercenary. Maybe Anna Marie is a mercenary. You never know. You never know. That's true. The good ones keep it a secret. That's not these guys. No, not these guys. Tell anybody. Anybody, anything, any fucking dog they pass on the street. And so a few months go by, Purdue gets back in touch with Mike Howell and Osberg or John, as we should call him, just John. Yes. And Purdue's like, it's still on. Let's do it. How is this still on? Nothing's happened. So Purdue rents a U-Haul, packs it with a U-Haul. Yeah. Well, he's in Houston. He's got to get to New Orleans, right?
Starting point is 00:51:11 Oh, okay, okay. I thought he was going to drive to Munich. I was like, you're not going to get that deposit back, my friend. Wolf takes a Greyhound to Louisiana from Toronto. So wait, sorry, whatever happened with Andrews? Oh, Andrews just like totally like falls away. If it's not Granada, then he's not interested. They're not even responded to his messages anymore. His pages. No, his pages go unanswered, ignored. That's right. Even when they're like 9-1-1. So the whole gang, which is comprised of gosh, 12 other mercenaries, Purdue and Wolf, they gather the night before they have a hotel room. They're all sleepover style hanging out, going over the last few notes, the little sketch on the would-be bar in Afghan kind of deal. One of the mercenaries
Starting point is 00:52:00 reveals in court that he had no idea what was happening, even though they had gone over all the plans. He was still... Yeah, but I don't know who in that group I would pitch to explain the plan to a big group of people. You know what I mean? That's true. None of them seems like really screwed into what exactly has happened. Even the instigators. Yes. Before the morning when everything kind of goes down, John Osberg, just John, he is arranged with Purdue to... Because at this point, Osberg says that he will be kind of like... Just John. It's actually just John. Just John. I'm sorry. Just John. This is your gimmick, man. I know. Thank you. Thank you for giving me my gimmick. John. Just John has arranged with Purdue to pretty much be the logistics guy. So he's like,
Starting point is 00:52:47 here's what we'll do. I've got a truck where we can put all of the supplies, all of the ammunition, all of the luggage, all of the first aid kits, and the dinghies that we'll need, all the stuff. We'll put that in the truck, and then all of the mercenary dudes will go into the delivery van. That's stupid. Sorry. Just to share, I had a thought there while you were talking. I was like, how did they get all of this, like, guns, ammunition, and survival equipment? Then I thought, oh yeah, it's America. Right. Oh yeah, no. Exactly. Walked into the store and bought it, Taylor. That's the answer. Yeah. Yeah. They were really polite, said yes ma'am, no ma'am, and then they bought it. So there's a delivery van involved now. Yeah. So what this all means
Starting point is 00:53:30 is that just John, he needed a way to separate these mercenaries from all of their weapons. Because if they, yeah, and it's documented that he said, I don't think this will work, this is too dumb of a plan, and yet it worked. So never underestimate your dumb plans. That's a lesson. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I love this detail. He asks Purdue to get in the front of the truck with him, the truck that has all the ammunition in the back, all the weapons, and it's like Boku guns. It's like guns on top of guns, on top of dynamite, on top of grenades, on top of first aid kits, on top of dingies, on top of guns. I don't know what gun types are. So it's just like guns and guns and guns. Big guns, small guns, guns that
Starting point is 00:54:14 go, guns that go gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun. Every gun. They got some of those? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. So just John asked Purdue to come and ride in the front of the truck with him, and yet the passenger side door is stuck and doesn't open. And just John's like, I mean you get that fix here just get in on my side So Purdue gets in to the truck, but he has no way of getting out unless it's through just John John Just John is noted as saying like I knew I had them when he was perfectly compliant with that. Yeah
Starting point is 00:54:56 That's gotta be like fuck isn't it so nice when you don't have to struggle for these things like some some just a little good moment Day falls right into your lap. He's like, yeah So they're 12 mercenaries and Purdue so that's 13 Bad dudes will call them at the docks where money on is tied up. There are eight AFT officers 10 FBI eight state police Seven customs agents one local police. I don't know why for jurisdiction. I don't know and a US Coast Guard vessel docked You're on the 12th day of Christmas
Starting point is 00:55:37 Exactly Just John pulls in he backs up the truck Just like any good old southern boy would you don't drive straight in your truck you back it up And he turns to Purdue and he says You're under arrest. Oh Yeah, and Officers go to the delivery van that's filled with the other mercenaries They swing open the doors and they say you under arrest, you know spotlights da-da-da, and they're like, who are you?
Starting point is 00:56:04 What do you think you're doing the mercenaries are and they're like that was a mercy, right? Yeah, and they're like we're at the ATF officers the 10 FBI eight state police seven customations and one local police They all just flip their badges open in unison got it and this was from that book. I read apparently One of the mercenaries just said oh shit I mean they're arrested. They're taken into custody all of them They're all some of them do have hand handguns on them in the delivery van But it's such a total takeover down that nobody is hurt everybody goes to the precinct everyone's arrested The next day Mike howl shows up comes by the office so that he can pose with all the ammunitions
Starting point is 00:56:50 Plus Love it when they're like, you know gathering all the materials from the van and the truck They find produce briefcase, and it's filled with every single document that pertains to operation red dog Got a safe fuck Safe still isn't safe still isn't great. They'll still look in the safe, but just get off. Oh god Mickey Mouse Yeah, okay And it was it was just John and the other FBI agents who coined the term bayou of pigs Based after the Bay of Pigs
Starting point is 00:57:28 Yeah They I mean just John was having a hell of a run, you know Yeah, the next morning he had all these commendations on his desk I bet I minister Charles from Domenica sent up a handwritten note thanking him like Yeah, I bet he did very well. No, that's one of those everyone's jealous that you got to put in some overtime over the weekend, you know Exactly. It's like you got the book use fucking case Fucking just John that went down end of April right so by June 7 of the 10 mercenaries were on trial plead guilty
Starting point is 00:58:07 Okay, Purdue and Wolf and then another dude. They each get three years in prison feels low Doesn't I feel low? It was very low very low. I think because they never actually left. I think a few things I think a few things about that There are three other Mercenaries who do not plead guilty and one of them is Don Black the man who started storm. Yes, okay I forgot about that prick and so his trial and the and the two others They have these kind of more drawn out more intense trials where more stuff comes up Ron Paul was on a subpoena list for a little bit there because Purdue had used his name as like he's one of my backers and like
Starting point is 00:58:52 So black this Don Black guy So he pleads non guilt not guilty and he goes to this all-out trial His representation takes the line that Purdue was a chronic liar and that black was duped Into this plot without having full full knowledge. Yeah, it's it's pretty crazy I was just um, I was just jerking off an imaginary dick to those of you who can't see us And I had a look on my face as if to say this joy cop Because of that black and I think one other is determined not guilty in the plot what yeah, that's how he got off Fuck the system. I know right? That's gross. It's pretty bad
Starting point is 00:59:42 That is the story of Operation Red Dog or perhaps more carefully coined Buy you a figs. Yeah, those are some real piggies in that value. I sure didn't like them. I think that was a story for right now like yeah, I think that like the obviously there's some differences in between the story that you told and Sort of this current day situation The main difference I can think of where the two stories don't transpose is in your story Law enforcement is kind of acting on the up and up And yeah in the current day context it happens around a lot of like controversy around police brutality and mistreatment of people of color and stuff and
Starting point is 01:00:24 A lot of scrutiny of them having aided the people storming the Capitol, right? So that's that's a little bit of a key difference, but like other than that so much of what this story says about Like colonization about racism about blind arrogance and about how easy it is for radicalized people who We might look at if we are not ourselves thus radicalized and be like everything about you is stupid and absurd and and Laughable and blah blah blah blah blah, but those people when you get them together In numbers, whether it's a focused hate of another person or a like a focused
Starting point is 01:01:07 Grandiosity of themselves They're still capable of doing a great deal of harm and we shouldn't take for granted that just because The people storming the Capitol or the people trying to storm dominica look like buffoons It would be arrogant to underestimate them because of that. Yeah the thing about idiocracy is that When you and I don't mean this as elitist or classist or whatever as it sounds But like if you're not a stupid person and stupid can mean anything it can mean unintelligent It can mean unempathetic right it can mean whatever and you look at these like ridiculous people doing these absurd things
Starting point is 01:01:42 It's so human nature to laugh because like this this man is literally he's got like a fur and horns on it Is that you know what I mean, but I also think that we were saying earlier these like kind of ridiculous trappings Can mask something really like this is such a strange story already Yeah, the idea that If you if you just think it's funny Then it's very easy to excuse all the nefarious connections and and and the really deep-seated hatred and racism And jingoism that happens
Starting point is 01:02:15 jingoism Yeah, thank you. Thank you. That's the highlight That's jingoistic as fuck these folks. I absolutely agree Yeah, and I don't know. I think that That's that's a line of the story that does connect to current day because This idea that you could go and overthrow a country is so arrogant and so I don't know it's just really really rough and then you hear the speeches that happened Before the insurrection and then post the insurrection and there's just this feeling of like I think I'm particularly critical
Starting point is 01:02:51 Of post insurrection too where it's like this can't happen in america. We're the greatest. This isn't who we are Did right? Yeah. Yeah, but it did happen and Why do we keep having this conversation about us being the greatest country? And why do we keep getting offended when people prove and provide evidence that we're not? I don't know. I've had the chance to live in other countries and I think that has shaped a lot of my understanding of The way that america can do that and I realized that that's an experience that's really privileged and Therefore that perspective can be aligned with privilege and I realized that but at the same time
Starting point is 01:03:28 I I don't think that's an excuse to to brush it to the side either. No, I get that I get that I think that like I don't it's it's it's a wild story. I hadn't ever heard of it Yeah, and that's the other thing. It was really hard to research really I found it because don blacks Son who grew up as a white supremacist? He he had a change of heart and he wrote a book about Leaving behind his white supremacist roots and making very active decisions to walk away from the ideology and therefore his family So I heard an interview with him and he talked about
Starting point is 01:04:04 His father and there was a very brief mention of overthrow of dominica and I was like But even then it was hard I found a few articles from that time But they were kind of offhand jokey thing like hillbilly's trying to overthrow government But like any story where there's a Delivery truck full of weapons and explosives and ammunition involved Whether or not it's this kind of goofy footnote in american history or whatever. That's a real story Think of how many people could have died someone hadn't intercepted that plan
Starting point is 01:04:42 Think of like this woman eugenia charles. What was going to happen to her if this plan had gone off? Yeah It's all it's all tricky. I think I think I mean we said this earlier, too It's like we haven't quite Processed what happened on january 6th, but nor have we processed the trump years yet And I I remember that distinctly when he was elected in 2016 I had this feeling of like do I take this moment and give energy to trying to understand why somebody would vote for a racist misogynist
Starting point is 01:05:15 You know the list goes on why someone would vote for him. Do I take that time to empathize with them? Or Do I resist and push against it and and it was I've never in my understanding of politics I've never had such a struggle with is it right to not empathize with somebody because I think Typically the answer is no need to try and understand what they're coming from But I'm running into this idea of like if I try and understand that that is there's so much hatred and so much Unfounded and deep-seated hatred. What is the point of me understanding what way is that a betrayal of people? I love who are people of color who are queer people who are women who are you know what I mean
Starting point is 01:05:54 How do I support those people who might be feeling more and more marginalized and more and more Yeah, physically as opposed to like devoting my energy to trying to figure out why like literally half of my country thought that don trump was Fucking competent let alone a good person. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm still I'm still reeling from that I still don't know what that reconciliation Is in for me or for the whole country and I'm yeah I can I have sort of the privilege here of commenting from afar
Starting point is 01:06:25 Although that certainly doesn't mean that white supremacist far right forces Aren't very much a play in canada because we saw it in your story We see it in the fact that gavin mckinnis one of the guys who co-founded the proud boys is a canadian You see it in like we have in vancouver white supremacist far right groups and stuff like that and I think it's our responsibility as a society to sort of De-platform and Stamp out that sentiment
Starting point is 01:06:56 But sometimes I think if we're really vigilant if we work really hard if we don't half-ass it We can do that for the future generations so that they're not exposed to all of this gross toxicity and this gross propaganda But what do we do? What do we do now with the 80 million or the 70 million people who voted for don trump? What now exactly? Yeah Yeah, and I find myself so often pulling to thinking of this moment In historical sense and think in some ways it's it's helpful because I can kind of divorce myself from it And you know like have some have some perspective, but in another way it just leads me right back to like yeah But what do we do now? How do we get to that point in history where yeah, we don't have this toxicity?
Starting point is 01:07:36 These are very interesting times we live in I guess my final thought and it's a little bit of a sobering one But it's and it's one that we've all expressed, but I guess my final thought would be that just because A guy with a blue tie instead of a guy with a red tie is in the office That doesn't mean that we Societally and I include Canada in that because so much of what we are is influenced by what you folks are for better or worse Um, we have a responsibility to keep pushing against those forces to not sit on our laurels
Starting point is 01:08:09 And I don't know to make some more righteous equitable attempts to to build back from where we are now I think maybe a good way to end this is just taken a quote from Mike Howell and letting them roll bring it home Mike The boat is capable of this Thank you, Josie for that story and to all of you for listening if you want more infamy We release episodes every other sunday on spotify apple podcasts and at bittersweetinfamy.com Stay sweet The Sources that I used for the story were the following first and foremost and mostly
Starting point is 01:09:08 I use Stuart Bell's Bayou of pigs the true story of an audacious plot to turn a tropical island into a criminal paradise Published in 2013 by hardware Collins, Canada Stuart Bell is a Investigative reporter from Canada and this book had a lot of the information I pulled finding other information In this detail was kind of tricky But I did use of course the wikipedia article on operation red dog and as well There was a new york times article
Starting point is 01:09:45 Published in 1981 in june entitled to guilty in new orleans for plot on dominica invasion as well There was an article in time magazine Entitled Bayou of pigs published may 11th 1981 the song that you are listening to now is tea street by Brian steel Stay afloat You

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