Bittersweet Infamy - #84 - Gotta Get Down On Friday

Episode Date: November 5, 2023

Season premiere! Taylor tells Josie about the viral anthem of 2011, "Friday," and the sudden infamy of singer Rebecca Black. Plus: all the gossip from Josie and Mitchell's wedding, including the haunt...ing in hotel room #309!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Music Welcome to BittersweetMedia. I'm Taylor Baso. And I'm Josie Mitchell. On this podcast, we share the stories that live on and in Taylor gestures into the microphone with a begin. She's been acting up. Which although Noah's before we hit record, she really, really acts up. She's been having too much sugar. She been running around her bedroom and I'm the one who needs to put her to sleep after all this is done.
Starting point is 00:01:04 You don't deal with what I go through every night every Fucking night you do this It's the zoomies you got the zoomies you got the zoomies baby every time you get on zoom you got those zoomies I got my zoomies for season number four Wow, did you think when we started? For do you think we would get to season four? I mean, we didn't really have the concept of season so much then, but just... No.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Did you think it would be four years? Do you think we'd go four years? No. At the end of this year, we could have a whole presidential term under our belts. Yo, that is so me... Me ponganervioso, that's true, because when we started, Joe Bitton, I believe it's pronounced, had just been certified Some say the new president. I don't think anybody says certified as a president. Well, it's almost like I'm not from your fucking country, hey
Starting point is 00:01:57 I like the little tag I was unintentional but from the heart you know since this is the season premiere You know how I am on these big occasions. I brought a heavy hitter of course. So I'm looking forward to delighting you with the episode to come. But there's still some business to get down to before we do that. It's business. It's your business.
Starting point is 00:02:19 It's your marriage business. Your wedding business. Hopefully the marriage license got to the office time. Well I fucking hope. Fed exit. Oh geez. I got fucking put in charge of them. I will get there, but I got put in charge of the marriage license during the fucking reception which like I think was a very well-intended move because it was the efficient rose. Her logic was okay if Taylor's like the master of ceremonies, I was like the master of ceremonies is a very very Canadian thing it's like kind of like the host of
Starting point is 00:02:47 the wedding you do a little bit of pattern a speech yeah introduce the people and you know whatever she figured well if this guys got that kind of job he must be he won't fuck this up because he's important right yeah well but it's me you're no no no I I'm gonna come to your defense here because like, you were handed that responsibility in that moment. And there was no concept that like, your responsibility is actually we're just like, kicking in.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Yes, that's the MC. This is your go time. Yes. As the MC, the reception is where you're like, on call, you got to be like, being in Bap then ready to go. And then all of a sudden, you have like this very important document. I have a legal document without which the marriage is illegitimate. So it was a bit important. And so I did manage to get that all signed thank God. And it did briefly go missing and Because I am me, let me tell you something about this weekend this week this it was 10 days in San Diego It was really great the very first thing I did was accidentally leave my charger at the Vancouver airport
Starting point is 00:03:55 So I had to go to the 7 in San Diego and buy a new one And then when I went to the 7 11 in San Diego, which was the first thing I did when I touched down I fucking left my wallet there and I had to go back and get it the next day and they don't even have men thaws in California anymore. They illegalize them. So what's the fucking point nightmare? And I was just, I feel like I was constantly, I didn't bring enough medication. I blew my fucking zipper on my bag at the very last second before the airport when I fucking went home we had to duct tape it. Yeah, how did that get home? I never asked you. It got home in one piece. They did a good so basically right before we relieved this is after the wedding.
Starting point is 00:04:31 We were leaving San Diego and I decided to cram one last thing in my suitcase and blew the zipper and fucking Josie's mom Alice, her friend Helen and Mitchell had to help me like fucking duct tape and packing tape the thing together. It worked. It worked a treat, but it was a pain in the ass. Yeah, I mean, it was very impressive that you came for any 10-day long vacation with a carry-on luggage, but also a wedding. Like, there's a lot of like outfit stiff to do. So I was very impressed. Thank you. I had a few outfits. If you got a bus to zipper to get home, you got a bus to zipper to get home. That's what I think. That's what I think. Fucking San Diego, man. If you've never been to San Diego, you really should go.
Starting point is 00:05:14 It's pretty nice. It's really beautiful. Let's get funding from San Diego to San Diego. Let's get funding from San Diego to his and go pods. We have done more for the podries than any podcast in the game yes getting included and it shows yeah and it shows yeah and I said to Mitchell when I was there it's hard it's hard really to be fucking depressed when you're surrounded by such tall palm trees and such big big like the most beautiful sunsets, the most stunning water, tattoo shops everywhere, they still spell things with a Z at the end to be cool, everybody's hot. Everywhere. There's so much, you can just walk barefoot into fucking Mr. Frosty, right? Yeah. No shoot, yes service, no shoot, no shoot, no shoot, no
Starting point is 00:06:03 service. Yes service. Mr. Frosty, go, It's delicious. I had a malt. I really enjoyed myself. I was talking to my friend John who lives in Houston here. Him and his wife and daughter went for about a week, group six days and came to the wedding. And he was like the first day. I was like, hmm, everybody's happy and everybody looks really good and everybody takes care of themselves. It's just so aggravating. And then after the day, he was like, oh wait. That's okay.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Yeah, I'm, okay, wait. I just need to move to a beach stand. I got it, I got it. I hear it now, I hear it and I take, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna enjoy myself, thank you. That's funny. How was it to be back in San Diego for such a momentous life event? Surrounded by friends, surrounded by family.
Starting point is 00:06:56 It was very nice. It meant a lot to me to be able to do that in San Diego. One because it's so beautiful and and part of that is like inviting people to a beautiful place feels very easy, you know? It's like, yeah. When you're inviting them to Lincoln, Nebraska, you ought to be like, oh, the Speedway Museum of motor sports is there, you're gonna love it.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Yeah. You gotta start selling it. San Diego kinda sells itself. Yeah, and so that was really nice, but also like, that's where my family is, that's where my mom lives, that's where my mom lives, that's I have siblings there, my dad is buried there, it's home and also I haven't lived there since I was 18, but it's always been a home base, it's always like where I come back to and as
Starting point is 00:07:39 like as I move around, it's always been the stationary home, if that makes sense. That just meant a lot to me. And where we got married at the New Children's Museum in downtown San Diego, was just really a really fun and cool and open and like very friendly atmosphere. And that I feel like that's also a San Diego, like a pocket of San Diego, or you know, like a personality in San Diego that I really appreciate, so to kind of have it there. Did I tell you that I have my fifth birthday? I saw a picture, I fucking Dina put a picture of you from that day in the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Yeah, yeah. I know, my portrait in the bathroom. And rightly so, why isn't your portrait in my bathroom? Fuck. Mitchell's parents organized a really lovely pre-wedding dinner at a seafood restaurant by the water and lots of great local character. There was a guy ripping around doing jet ski tricks out front, which was very, very funny. But then also we were in the shadow of this gigantic naval carrier, which was so big. So fucking big and I'm not like, I'm a fucking bleeding heart, fucking cut me deep, pass it this.
Starting point is 00:08:51 But when I looked at that, I was very like awe-struck by how big and even beautiful this gigantic worship was, right, it's such a striking background. Yeah. And we were in the shadow of the statue of the kiss from Vijayde, in the shadow of the statue of the kiss from Vijayde where the The sort of infamous photo where the guy sweeps the girl up in a kiss and she goes limp because we later found out that she didn't actually enjoy that so much No, it was very non-concentral. She did not know that man
Starting point is 00:09:19 That photo that it's based off of was Framed and up at the marriage license office in San Diego too, so. Something nice to get married under. Yeah. We were asked multiple times to pose with that statue and we did not. You declined. No, thank you. What about him here? Tell us about you're getting the marriage license with Mitchell. It was a Monday and
Starting point is 00:09:46 we used my mom's car and we didn't pay for parking and Rebels yeah, and It's a government building that you have to go to to get it and it's a this really beautiful kind of art nouveau with like nautical themed accents. It was part of it was under construction so it was like scaffolding but inside just very typical public utility building which I love. Yeah I love a water fountain. I love a you know well worn bench. It's just like yeah beautiful. And I'm
Starting point is 00:10:24 actually not kidding. No I know. I got it. And I'm actually not kidding. I know that. I know that. I got it. And the marriage license office was just filled with babies filled with very young people who I was like they must be waiting for their parents right? Oh no that number got called. They're waiting for deployment baby. Okay they're waiting for their parents, right? Oh no, that number got called. They're waiting for deployment. They're waiting for that insurance check, yeah. Yeah, San Diego, it's a Navy town. So that was a little jarring. And then when we did turn in our license, like she had to like work with a city employee for them to enter all the information. And she told us that it was about 1 p.m. and ours was the first perfect application of her day.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Wow. So possibly the last. It was. Possibly the last. So one of the things that I really enjoyed was, we don't, I don't think we actually go into this all that much in the podcast, but the, the many branches and roots of Josie Mitchell's family tree are really remarkable. She has a small immediate family, but then a larger, a larger, beautiful tree of half sibling step siblings, full siblings, aunties, uncles, step this, grand bat, and it was really interesting to meet everybody
Starting point is 00:11:47 because like, truly a family of fellow characters. Yes. And it was nice to meet and re-neat for those who I had met before all your friends. Yeah, and we got to hang with Lucia, which was rad. Oh yeah! And the podcast. Fucking cult of the clitoris. Cult of the clitoris, Lucia was there. We had a nice talk. We re Uh, fucking cult of the glitter. Cult of the glitter as Luchio was there.
Starting point is 00:12:05 We had a nice talk. We re-enacted the death cafe at the seafood restaurant. Oh guys. Yeah, I was explaining the concept and then I was like, well, I suppose we're just having one right now, aren't we? And so we just kind of went into chatting about our intrusive thoughts about death. It was lovely. It was nearer to the minute sounds.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Oh. No, I like it. In the shadow of the midway. Yes. The US established it. It was rightly so. Yeah, and your brother hosted us at his restaurant, Jose's, for a karaoke night, and your mom's boyfriend, West, pop for the food.
Starting point is 00:12:35 There's a lot of fun, singing songs. The other important thing about karaoke night is I did in fact sing, follow me by Uncle Cracker. That's true. That did happen, and it was beautiful. It was really good. And you also sang Picture with Dina. Yeah. I sang I was Kid Rock and she was Cheryl Crow.
Starting point is 00:12:52 And you and me closed it by singing Fancy by Reba McIntyre, which I've never actually sang the karaoke before. It's a great one. It's great. Another highlight of this trip was that Josie Mitchell and I got to watch not one but two movies together. I say we save them to talk about over on the Bittersweet Film Club which you can join by becoming a monthly copy subscriber, KO-FNFI.com slash
Starting point is 00:13:11 Bittersweet him for me, $3 a month. We got to watch both the faculty and Roadhouse. Roadhouse. Which two fucking fine films, two films that are nothing alike but boy oh boy are they fun I really recommend watching both of them and coming over to the The coffee account and see what we have to say about them from there The nearest and dearest the wedding party go to the Horton Grand Hotel which is haunted Yeah, it's cuz they did you pick this knowing it was haunted?
Starting point is 00:13:40 Well, so we looked around for hotels and this was actually the cheapest Oh Because it's haunted because it's full of ghosts because it's haunted because it's full of ghosts Well, so we looked around for hotels and this was actually the cheapest Oh Because it's haunted because it's full of ghosts because it's haunted because it's full of ghosts Yeah, and we went to go look at it and we were like oh this is really sweet and it's kind of different the other ones are like Just a new character hotel Shhh Vanky it's a character. It's only Weird displays you go up in the elevator in the back is glass and it's got like a fucking doll in a wardrobe
Starting point is 00:14:06 Like leery it's so sick. It's a really cool. Yeah, it's got a lot of personality. Yeah a lot of personality and From the ghosts. Yeah, well speaking at speak of the ghosts Did you know what you were doing when you put the people in their rooms? I did not place them and I I did not a Okay, so what happened here was I'm going downstairs at one point to go to see Something I'm probably going to look at the bar which by the way they need different bar hours I will say that for the Wharton Grant their bar was ever but I had fucking four drink. I never got to use them I know I and you gave them to us and we never used them either It was silly to it's silly to close a bar at like what nine? Silly. Ten?
Starting point is 00:14:45 Silly, silly, silly. I go down the fucking big staircase and much to my delight, there is a woman in like a Lizzy Borden hell in a Bonham Carter fucking outfit giving what is clearly the leg of a hop on hop off ghost tour, which I fucking love. And so she's given, she's given the spiel about the rooms, and she happens to mention that the haunted room is number 309. Now I'm staying in 310, Josie. And Chelsea, Chelsea Rose was in 308, so 309 must have been one of years or else they didn't let it out. Do you have any idea who is staying in the room between me and Chelsea Rose because they
Starting point is 00:15:21 got the haunted room? I mean a ghost stayed there, I guess. Yeah, but they can't just, they're losing money. Ghost can't pay you money. They need to put someone in with the ghost. It's like airlines, pack them in, sardines. Capitalism. Baby. Listen, even the Horton Grand needs to make, they got to keep those rents cheap somehow.
Starting point is 00:15:37 So I did a little looking in, Josie, would you like to know the story and very brief of the ghost? I looked into it when I was there because you know that I was up all night with my in 310 with my fucking glass against the wall Be my ghost spooky noises Listen for the wardrobe to start shuffling apparently the big thing is that they said that there would be the a lot of echoes of laughter And I will say I frequently heard echoes of laughter from drunk people in the street Like it was very obviously drunk people in the street. Like it was very obviously drunk people in this street, but yeah. This is from gostngravestones.com, by the way. This is they're like one of these tours. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:14 It's the mid-1800s, a guy named Roger Whitaker is this very prolific gambler. He's very well known for cheating at cards, and he has a lot of debtors. He's he's already had an altercation with them. He's got like a gunshot wound. They chase him down. He goes all the way back to his hotel at the Horton. He's staying in 309. He hides inside the R and W. But of course, where do you look? You look in the fucking R and W. Brap, bra, bra, bra. And now we've got a ghost in 309. Whoa, 309. or nine, baby. Three or nine. And that's the story of the haunted room that was immediately between me and Josie's made of honor at the Horton Grand Hotel.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Whoa. That's right. Yeah, I was choked. They didn't put me in three, oh nine, I had like, FOMO. Oh, you, maybe you could have gone down to the front desk and been like, so. I thought about it. Three or nine.
Starting point is 00:17:02 I thought about it, but I don't want to push it. And I also like, I don about it, I thought about it, but I don't wanna push it, and I also like, I don't know, I feel like knowing me that leads to a moment like I climb into the wardrobe to like do some recording in there, and then the ghost gets me, and I'm just like another one of these dumbass, white boy podcasters, you get,
Starting point is 00:17:16 it's like got by a supernatural thing, like in the movies, I don't need that on my, that happens a lot. On my soul. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When have you ever seen that as a trope? That happens a lot on my soul. Yeah, it's... Yeah. Yeah. When have you ever seen that as a trove?
Starting point is 00:17:28 Oh, don't... I feel like... I feel like idiot. I mean, that's basically the Blair Witch fucking project. Givertake Film Students vs. Podcast. I feel like dumb fuck white people coming into like a situation they don't understand. And being like, this is... It's fucking candy man. It's the same basic thing
Starting point is 00:17:46 Yeah, that's fair. Okay, and then they die and they're like damn It's almost like you shouldn't have climbed into that hard to armwear on Taylor And it couldn't be me. Yeah, I hear it. I hear it could be me But it could have been and so I'm glad that it wasn't but no confirmation What was it like so I think. What was it like? So I feel like I had a particular experience leading up to this wedding that was a lot more laid back than yours.
Starting point is 00:18:10 I feel like you were constantly going and doing and you had a million things to fucking do. Yeah, I feel like I'm still catching up on sleep and it's been two weeks. Yeah. I will say Josie was an incredibly composed and like poised bride for all of the fucking shit she had going on and Mitchell was glowing the whole weekend Mitchell it seemed like constantly in a state of delight He got a facial on there. There you go. It's hard not if I was fucking getting a facial on Thursday I'd be pretty glow-in-two
Starting point is 00:18:40 Glow-boy. He said to me at one point he says to me he goes, you know, I've got this it's great feeling of it's like it's like I'm high but I'm not even on drugs I'm just really excited and I'm like I think that might be happiness man I think you might just be happy. I love I remember that that's so good I love it so much. And then you got married. And then you got, I did see, I did walk in, I will say I did walk in on you doing the first look. I didn't know that this first look was a thing or that they make you take these quite
Starting point is 00:19:16 little photos. Oh yeah. You took so many fucking, Josie took so many pictures, dude. What a trooper, Christ. There's a lot of's a lot of photos. A certain point the photographer was like, would you like to go back to the party? Or would you like to continue taking photos?
Starting point is 00:19:31 Do you need electrolytes? Yeah, the mixture I like did not like we didn't even look at each other. We're just like back to the party. Like, because like at that point, like the speeches were done. And people were leaving, like some of the folks who had to get home were leaving. And it was like, I don't want to be off in a corner taking a photo that I'm going to look weird.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Right, you want to go and say goodbye to So-and-so. Yeah, there are, but the first look, it was really nice to do because it was a moment that we got to have, like before everything got started, but also just logistically, like trying to keep us separated before we walked down the aisle. It was like, and I saw you getting ready in the fucking room together.
Starting point is 00:20:15 I was like, this is a lie. This is all a lie. I was in the fucking dress room with them. Yeah, I know. Yeah, so that was kind of sunny. But I happened to wander into it. It was very, it was an amusing thing to wander into because like I just saw Chelsea walking off someone like I was like I'd need something to do. Can I just come with you and help you with whatever you need to do? Sure, sure. Perfect. Yeah, um Chelsea is a fantastic photographer.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Yeah, fantastic. Chelsea Rose took a bunch of Polaroids that are on her Instagram. I took, there's many, many more than that. I only took a few that mainly featured me, Josie and Mitchell and a couple of Luccia, but it's, it's really stunning stuff. I'm really excited to see what she does with them. Yeah, yeah, they're really, really rad. And then at the reception, there were some lovely speeches and Taylor got to start it off. Yeah, it was so good. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:21:06 It was rad. There was a little bittersweet empathy plaaaaa. Oh, oh, there definitely was because as I was fucking up there, I was like, so if you don't know, Josie, I've said something. The effect was like, so if you don't know, Josie and I do a podcast here. And Josie, like as serious about anything
Starting point is 00:21:20 as I've ever seen her, like a little dead behind the eyes and mercenary goes, plug it. And I'm like, what? I could go off the mic. What? And she's like, plug it. Like she was truly, she was truly never been so happily bossed around by Josie before, but it was really nice. So yeah, I did get to plug it.
Starting point is 00:21:39 But then your comment right then was like, oh, I literally have in my notes podcast. Plug it. Yeah. Yeah, I had in my notes and it was it was a it was a it was a speech from the heart. I got to the thing is the thing is I decided that I was gonna get heat with Mitchell's family by poking fun at the Astros. So you better just lay it on. Do it. Do it. I mentioned that the astros are filthy cheaters at karaoke on the mic. When it got a reaction, I was like, oh, that's the worst thing you ever did was give me a reaction to that. And so then in the wedding speech,
Starting point is 00:22:15 I started by apologizing for my earlier remarks about the astros and then later on, I shit on the astros again. And then the next morning at the brunch, Mitchell's brother-in-law was wearing an Astros jersey. Yeah, did you see that? Yeah, I liked it. I felt like apparently, I talked to old Mike Collins too, his dad to kind of smooth it over.
Starting point is 00:22:33 He didn't really care apparently, he kept saying to Mitchell, he's like, you know what, Taylor's a real word, Smith. I don't know why you had to talk like that about the Astros. And the other thing I will say is, a lot of people came up to me. Either came up to me or once they heard my voice and were introduced to me and kind of understood who I was, said really nice things about the podcast.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Leslie, Leslie Goss was like- Leslie Nassden came over to me and we were like listen- Leslie, hey loves me. Yeah, hi, hi. Said really, really lovely things. Like so, so sweet. Erica Jot, the same came over to me when I was actually doing this fucking wedding certificate stuff with Rose. Erica came over and was like, I'm so sorry. I just like, I'm such a fan and did it and did that.
Starting point is 00:23:18 And Rose gave me a look. Like, you could tell for a second Rose thought that she was talking to Tom Cruise. She's like, who the fuck are you? It's like, I just do it. I'm not actually famous. I just do a podcast. But like for a minute she thought that like, I was actually famous the whole time and I'd just been holding out on her because I was a humble guy. Oh, I love it. I love it.
Starting point is 00:23:38 No, your speech was, it was sexual lovely balance of like chatting about mixture and me. That was really cool. I really, really thought. I meant to do that. Because I feel like I've never actually the last time I was the MC, it was for Jonathan Mountain's wedding. That's right, yeah. Our mother's is very beautiful.
Starting point is 00:23:55 I'm not really subscribed to that. This too could be yours, kohiife and if I.com slash bittersweetened for me. Look at the amount of crowd work we do if you're willing to give us three bucks to. Yeah, three bucks. Doesn't even get more hype than Brian steal these days. He is into it. At his wedding, it was a situation where I had grown up with him, and I knew her through
Starting point is 00:24:16 him. I really enjoyed her, still do really enjoy her, but didn't know her as well, especially not that. And so I felt that like because Mitchell and I are actually decently close, that it was like the rare opportunity to kind of come in and give everybody a spurt the love around, right? And then obviously Kevin the best man can do Mitchell and fucking Chelsea can do you, right? Easy peasy. Yeah. Yeah. Then Alice can come up and sing Jolene. Yeah. Exactly. We also skipped past the ceremony.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Really lovely. Josie and Mitchell both gave beautiful bows outside in front of a lovely chalk art thing that your friend Haley contributed. And Batman was the ring bearer. He was a very cute little ring bearer. Yeah, he was very stoked. Yeah, the ceremony was really amazing. I didn't know what to expect from.
Starting point is 00:25:03 I mean, I didn't really know what to expect from anything as much as you plan it all. Like it's, you know, it's always going to be a little different, but I hadn't put myself in the place of the ceremony very much. And so to actually be there, it was just like, oh my god, all these people are here. All these people that I've worked very hard to invite and like think about them and it was just like oh my how'd you how'd you know how to be here did you say to see the light but it's like I don't I just feel like we what yeah and then to like have everybody there and it was just like it was very clear that everybody was there to support us and there because they loved us and then that was really sweet I really really. And then we went out and like we've looked it up and had a nice after party. It was really sick.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I got stuck in like a drunken gratitude loop where I could tell I was saying the same thing over and over but nobody could hold it against me because it was just saying nice things about you and Mitchell and how much fun I was having. And it's like you can't, you're gonna kick this guy out for fucking complimenting the bride and groom too much come on so And We haven't even touched on the dope sunglasses. I bought some fucking nice sunglasses my friend I was why let me tell you some of these sunglasses, okay I was walking I was I needed an extra I wanted something new some you know something new something for some I was on fucking new and San Diego I've never seen a place that has so many
Starting point is 00:26:25 slash such nice outdoor markets. You fucking turn around, they're selling t-shirts here, they're selling papaya's here, they're selling earrings here, I got these little like glow-in-the-dark skeleton hand hearings at the farmer's market that first day. Oh, hopefully, yeah. We went to that diner with your fam, with Aunt Murrenco, love Aunt Murr.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And fucking, there's one right by the hotel. This is like the day of, I think it's the day of the fucking wedding. Yeah, no, he was. It was the day of the wedding. It was the day of the fucking wedding. I was walking, just happened to be walking around and I walked through one that had these fucking
Starting point is 00:26:56 wood rimmed with abalone handles. What do you call the stem? What is this part that goes back here? Oh, the, um, that's, what is arm? Arm. Yeah, I think it is the arm. What do you call the stem? What is this part that goes back here? Oh the um That's what is arm arm. Yeah, I think it is the it's their fucking wood rimmed polarized pipers with abalone arms They're fucking dope and it was wearing this like orange paisley tie with like a brown bomber jacket brown Everything Josie gave me this beautiful tie pin to tie it all together I had little earrings of oranges because I was in fucking California.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Josie tell us that's another thing actually. This is probably of interest to people. Tell us about your dress. Well, I'll say this. Josie found this dress shop in San Diego and it's her name is Christina Saphes and she has a wonderful dress shop in San Diego and another one in France in Leon and she's French and she moved to San Diego with her family and she designs these dresses and you try on the like prototype one that she's got in her shop and then she takes your measurements and the dress is made specifically for you. So that was really rad. And the dress that I chose, it had these very thin layers. So the top layer was kind of sheer with white polka dots. And then the under layers of that were kind of this like warm, topy brown. So the dress is white, but it's kind of like
Starting point is 00:28:27 a warm, a very warm color. From afar, it just looks kind of like this warm, earthy tone kind of white. It was a very pretty dress. It suited you. Mitchell looked great. He didn't, I like that he didn't wear a tie. I thought it was a cool touch. Yeah. It was a fashion lover's wedding. I will say, I think everybody I was everybody came out with fucking the looks and I and like everyone seemed to understand the assignment was like this is Josie and Mitchell's wedding at the children's museum in San Diego Show up and show out and people there. Yeah, people look flies how yeah my sister-in-law Nicole for Alime green onesie or no, it wasn't like a onesie. It was like a leotard, but it was under a hot pink
Starting point is 00:29:09 fringed blazer and shorts combo. Mm, beautiful. There was good jumpsuits, there was bright colors. The maid of honor was wearing like a kind of pastel-y tie dye number that looked really good. Yeah, like rainbow blue sky cloud, yeah. Everyone looked good. And I got to sit right across from the bride and groom,
Starting point is 00:29:29 not right across Chase and Sam, where I got Gidey Corner, but I was so close, I could have spat on them if I wanted, but I didn't, because it was their wedding. Thank you. No problem. But it was, I don't know. I felt very much like given a place of honor and I felt like you did a really good job
Starting point is 00:29:42 incorporating people in ways that you're in the wedding party. Well yeah, but you made up a fucking position for me to be in the wedding party. Not in Kano. Not in Kano. Not in Kano. This was a, this was a bicultural wedding. It was, it was really fun. Yeah, I had a great time.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Really, really good time. I know. Really, really liked it. Great wedding. Everything very, very well done. Everyone very lovely to me specifically. Me personally, I felt very. Great wedding. Everything very, very well done. Everyone very lovely to me specifically. Me personally, I felt very welcomed and included constantly by your families.
Starting point is 00:30:11 So it's a success, I think. Yeah. You really pulled it off. I'm like the astros. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That was for you, my- That's for you, my friends. Nice to meet you, my condoms, my baby. You got a story to tell me, right? I got married, but you got a story to tell me. I'm married to the job, baby, and I'm married to the mom, baby.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Now I'm married and married well. I don't know how you kept it all straight. You did a really good job. Thank you. I am tired. I'm still tired. It's so fair enough. Well, I've got bad news. Your alarm's going off right now. Oh my God. I want you to start. I'm going to start. I was going ask you what what kind of alarm might it you have been rocking in like 2011 I think it was just some chirpy thing yeah Yeah, so that will be dolphin noises we can do dolphin noises I'll be dolphin noises I want you to imagine it's it's a beautiful sunny Friday March, March something 2011. And our girl fictional Josie, that's you.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Mm-hmm. Good meet you. Is waking up to the sound of the beautiful alarm. Can I hear that again? Ah! Ah! Ah! Cool.
Starting point is 00:31:43 My headphone wouldn't even, that was silent to me because my headphones wouldn't even register the noise. Ah! Ah! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH for 20-30 miles by now. But this is a this is a teenage fictional joes of your back in beautiful southern California. And you get about your your morning routine. You splash some water on your face. You know you comb out your hair with a fork with a chup with your mermaid. And you, you get downstairs and Alice and your brother, Frank are there also met him on the wedding trip really nice. They're down there and they, you know how they always like to have a big family breakfast in the morning.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Always, it's a family tradition. It's a, it's, if Taylor and Travis are two different people, Josie and fictional Josie may be slightly different as well. Okay, it's Josie with a Y. There you go, that's perfect. And everyone's kind of buzzing around. You get the sense that we're really disorganized. Usually Alice would have a huge stack of pancakes
Starting point is 00:33:00 and some hash browns, for you, some toast. But today, for whatever reason, your mind's ulcers, you're like, just pour yourself some cat and crunch. You and the cat and go way back. Okay, we were a cinnamon toast crunch house. Where are you? I realize. Wow, well, everything's a little bit different for G-O-S-E-Y.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Okay. Yeah. Usually you'd get a ride from Alice to school. What's that, a Piscopalian thing? You went to St. Whoever's whoever's? Bishops. Bishops. Bishop school for boys and girls. Usually you'd get Alice to drive you to bishops, but she's so busy this morning so you roll down to the bus stop. And you get on and in the in the front seat you see you see your girl Chelsea. She's hanging out just doing a I've got her doing a paddle ball. I don't know why
Starting point is 00:33:52 She's just chilling doing her paddle ball like she always does It was like a Hello Kitty paddle ball that would totally Pop a bubble gum bubble. It's perfect. Yeah And then in the back you see you see your girl Izzy, your girl Iris, they're just chilling. Gismeando. And you're pleased and you know that the best part is yet to come because it's the end of the week and after this, you guys can all just like hang out, party, have a glass with one another.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Or to put everything I just told you in a slightly more compact form. 7 a.m. waking up in the morning gotta be fresh gotta go downstairs gotta have my bowl gotta have cereal seeing everything the time is going ticking on and on everybody's rushing gotta get down to the bus stop gotta catch my bus I see my friends kicking in the front seat sitting in the back seat. Gotta make my mind up, which seat can I take? It's Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday. Josie, everybody's looking forward to our season four premiere episode 84.
Starting point is 00:34:59 Gotta get down on Friday. It's Thursday. There's nothing I can do about that. It's Sunday when you're listening to this is nothing I can do about that either. Yeah wait till Friday. What? Do you not know this song? I know this song and just quick side note when I taught preschool English in China we did like days of the week and every day it would be like what's today and like what's and then for the weekend days I would have like a little jingle so Friday was Friday Friday Friday Friday and then Saturday I would do Saturday
Starting point is 00:35:45 Saturday. I'm just a smart. I'm a strong believer in not listening to songs about days of the week unless it's the day of the week that the song describes. So like Sunday morning from No Doubt, I never listened to because I'm never up on Sunday morning. Oh wow. Yeah, I'm very regimented about this.
Starting point is 00:35:59 But I've broken the trends for this discussion For this discussion of Rebecca Black's initially derided and dog piled by irony-poisoned internet commenters, turned beloved piece of nostalgia-kitch Friday. It's impact, the reception to it, and what Rebecca Black is up to now. Wild. Wild. I'm ready. I had no idea. I knew it was a thing, but I didn't know it was like a thing thing. Okay, okay. So this was a thing thing. You didn't know this was a thing. You thought it was just a song song. No, it's a thing thing. I just thought it was a song song. No, oh god. I would sing in China to smother her.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Oh, they cyber bullied the fuck out of this poor girl. Oh dear. No, no, no. Oh, no That's infamous. That's it's an infamous song. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. That's why you were so confused You're like yeah the sick Friday song sure no the sick Friday song has a has a story to it It was once it was at one point the most disliked video in YouTube history. Oh wow, you mean like the thumbs down. Yeah, back with the, we got rid of the thumbs down because it's shit like this I think. And it was also the way that it kind of became viral was like is this the worst music video in the world? Is this the worst song in the world? Is Rebecca Black the worst singer in the
Starting point is 00:37:25 world? It was mean. It was very mean. Okay so this is interesting because I was gonna ask where you come at this come to the story from and I have just been like oh yeah everybody shit on Rebecca Black for Friday but fucking 12 years later we're all singing it and it's sick. So I further record I will say I don't believe I ever Personally shout on Rebecca blocker Friday I think I always liked it But there have been other similar things that I think that I have been derisive of that I shouldn't have so I'm willing to claim Some of the collective responsibility here. Who among us, you know, but no, I always thought Friday was the sickest shit I would bump it every Friday at my office,
Starting point is 00:38:06 which is like, if you have never, like this is the office workers' anthem, they had it all wrong. This is the, they should have marketed it directly to like burnt out millennials doing office work. Because when you hear that, when you hear that, you're like yesterday was Thursday. Tomorrow is Saturday. I don't want this weekend to end. yesterday was Thursday. Tomorrow is Saturday.
Starting point is 00:38:25 I don't want this weekend to end. Like it hits. It truly hits. I'm like a visceral, like just lizard level, you know? I think. I'm so excited to play this at the office tomorrow. Yeah, you're tough. Tomorrow is set.
Starting point is 00:38:42 And tomorrow is Friday. Yesterday was Wednesday Okay, and on that note would you like to watch the video for Friday with me? I was yes Yes, I was gonna say when do we watch it right now And then I'm gonna tell you the whole story of I'm gonna give you the mark to experiment It's made experience baby I'm gonna make my mind up with speech and a tale. It's Friday Friday gotta get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. We can Friday Friday.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Now do you feel like it's 2011 or are you back there? I Yeah, now I'm really back there. Yeah, yeah, maybe even a little before then. Yeah, yeah, there's day. Yeah So what do you What do you make of it thoughts reactions explorations? I'm Um... I'm trying not to be mean because I know everybody else was very mean. Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:48 They were very, very mean. They were very, very mean. I am thankful and I have gratitude for the fact that who's the guy who did the, like, the rap break? Fake ludicrous. His name is Patrice Wilson. I'll talk about him a bit in the episode. Okay. I'm very thankful that Patrice Wilson did not have underaged children or, in particular, girls in his car as he was driving. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait She's got a she's got a Well, it's just like why is he alone in a car? This is like fun weekend This man who we're tired writing the fucking rap break for this song doesn't get to enjoy his Friday shame on you Well by himself I mean just like a friend in there. Well, what you want? Okay, no, it can't be a fucking underage girl, but he can't be alone.
Starting point is 00:40:46 You've got a lot of fucking notes here, Josie. Well, okay, okay, okay. Throw in a friend who's the friend, there is no friend that you would be like who's the friend. You'd be like who's this guy? He says boyfriends. What's he fucking do? His mom, yeah, actually, that would be kind of cute if he was just out taking mom for a time. She likes to look at their, she likes to look at the Halloween decorations. Yeah The fry on Friday is pretty is pretty rough. Well fry for mirrors function Friday. It's true. It's true
Starting point is 00:41:20 Fried up Rebecca do it It's hard because it's a lot. It's a lot of like pre-teen angst in there. There's just like... There's no angst to be found anywhere in this song. I take objection to that. Okay, there's no angst, but there's that feeling that you get. And if you're not careful, you can still get it,
Starting point is 00:41:43 where it's just like, everyone's's looking at me and I want a smile I want to be happy but everyone's gonna look at me and then they'll see my teeth and then if I smile people see my teeth And it's like but your teeth are fine. It's like yeah, but they see my teeth, you know, she's like This is very stupid It's very intense like You see that shit for Dr. Johnson and I don't You used to like that shit for Dr. Johnson, I don't, ooh. Yeah, I don't know. She just like, she never felt,
Starting point is 00:42:08 like she never looks comfortable in that video. She never looks comfortable. Like she puts her arm around her friend and it's like a director just told her to do that. Like, there's at no point. How old would you put Miss Blackout here? Oh, like 15, 16. Oh, see, yeah. And like like I would argue under that rubric
Starting point is 00:42:28 actually kind of quite poised and doing okay you know? Yeah yeah. She was 12 an hour ago this poor girl. Yeah yeah no exactly. I do think that one of the humorous parts of it is like it's like the club the clear like in a Driving around it's all ages club. It's the all ages conversion. Yeah, but it's like What if you're 13 who the fuck is driving you? It Alberta in Alberta. Maybe they're in Alberta Maybe they give me they give your driver's license when you're eight, Melverda You can fucking do it. You can drive a logging truck when you're 10. It's good shit.
Starting point is 00:43:06 I also think that like um The lighting like her makeup. It was not I mean, I know she's 13 So she should look like a kid, but she's meant to look like a woman and they didn't do a good job of making her look like Her beautiful self. I'm loving watching you dance around nodding, salting a 13-year-old girl. It's really doing it for me right now. Don't look at my teeth! Dude, Titu, don't look at any of our teeth then. Um, and that's so, what would you, I guess, what would your anticipation or understanding of the origin of this music video be based on looking at it? Oh, a music producer who's like, we're gonna make a little anthem for the middle school dance and maybe we'll get into some high school stuff, but it's gonna be kind of Disney Channel vibes. It's just, we're gonna pump out some money.
Starting point is 00:44:05 Can you sing Friday, a little more vocal fry, turn it up, great, awesome, nailed it, perfect. Thank you, Rebecca. Sure, sure, okay, interesting, interesting, interesting. Why don't I tell you the story? Rebecca Black is born in the jewel of North America, Irvine, California. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful, Irvine, California. Oh beautiful.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Irvine, California. One really beautiful house over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The say it's a say one. On June 21st 1997 to a Mexican immigrant mother and a father of mixed European ancestry, both veterinarians. She's 13 and living in Anaheim when we join our story, but she's been performing and taking music classes since the young age of three with aspirations to go to NYU or Berkeley College of Music and learn her craft. These are competitive schools in any small bit of experience or extracurricular sizzle real item can set you apart from the pack. Mm-hmm. Fox. It's perhaps with this in mind that Rebecca approaches one of her friends who's just gotten a very
Starting point is 00:45:10 slick music video produced. This friend directs Rebecca and her family to our music factory. Founded in 2010 by a pair of musicians named Patrice Wilson and Clarence J. You might recognize that name Patrice Wilson. That's Luda. That's our mid-mid song rap break is Patrice Wilson. Yeah, okay, perfect, yeah. Keep it in-house. There's no reason to file another W2, yeah. And in fact Patrice mentions that the reason that he came up with this concept for ARC was based on, he listened to a ludicrous song that implored listeners to be their own label, you know. So, inspiration strikes everywhere. And I remember it's very in line with what pot music was doing at the time, this kind of like the fact that they've set up like a faux featured verse in this is very in line with how pot music was going and I think that like a lot of the anti-rebekah black angst you'll see is actually like sublimated angst about the state of pot music from the
Starting point is 00:46:15 era of like LMFAO Katy Perry. Yeah. That crew, right? Mm-hmm, yeah. Rock and Rolls-Dead. Rock and Rolls-Dead now we use a little John is using auto tune or whatever it is, right? Yeah, Rock and Rolls-Dead. Rock and Rolls-Dead now we use a little John is using auto tune or whatever it is right? So, arc music functions less like a conventional record label and more like a vanity publishing press for four thousand dollars. Interested musicians receive a song. They write a song for
Starting point is 00:46:36 you. Studio time, production and a music video. Arc will even submit these materials to more conventional record labels on your behalf. Finally, says Patrice Wilson, artists own the rights to the produced songs. The co-founders had initially anticipated a diverse roster of performers, but from the first audition, it was clear who the outfit appealed to. Children who want to perform, and parents with $4,000. Yeah, exactly. That's who, why would you sing otherwise, but okay, whatever. It's Irvine, Irvine, exactly. That's who, why would you sing otherwise, but okay, whatever. It's Irvine, Irvine, no. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Uh. Well, Anna has. Anna, it all works, baby. It's an evergreen formula. It does, yeah. There's a really good, if you go to Friday Wikipedia page, they break down, like, oh, this is actually like, a classic 50s progression that's like,
Starting point is 00:47:21 meant to make songs really, really catchy, and boys Friday fucking catchy Yeah, it's whatever you want to say about it. It's Friday Friday Whatever you want to say baby Rebecca is interested in the opportunity she brings it up to her mother quote this quoting Rebecca now And I've got a lot of any time I say quote and I don't directly attribute it to someone just assume it's Rebecca Okay, my mom comes from the Hispanic world of mothers, the same, who really would die for their kids and who would do anything for their kids to have any sort of opportunity because it's something she had to fight so, so hard for.
Starting point is 00:47:51 So when I said, hey, there's this thing that we can do and I don't really know anything about it, I kind of said it thinking like there's no way. And she was like, yeah, let's send them an email. Let's try it out, sure. Patrice Wilson writes a song for Rebecca called Superwoman, which is a love song, but she's not entirely confident in her ability
Starting point is 00:48:05 to pull off the material. Quote, within the span of two weeks, I had broken up with my first ever boyfriend because I was too afraid to talk to him at school. So my whole first relationship lasted about three days. So I really was like, I can't sing this. Well, that's wonderful.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Like self-awareness, I agree. Self-awareness. And like also really puts into perspective how young she is in the story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she broke up with her boyfriend because she couldn't talk to him at school. Right. This puts Patrice behind the Abalt because he thought that, oh, this song will work. I gotta, you know, figure out all these other songs. And he finds himself up really late one Thursday night. Writing song after song. He's up so late in fact that the clock rolls over to midnight. I don't know what I am. It's Friday. He looks at the clock and genius
Starting point is 00:48:54 strikes. Quote, this is Patrice now. I play a beat and I make up a song Friday Friday and I'm like, because it is Friday. The next day, he sends it to Rebecca who concedes this works. This is true. I like to hang out with my friends on the weekends and I go to school. She adds, I really didn't think that much about it because again, like nobody is going to see it. Yeah, this is just for my sister real.
Starting point is 00:49:21 This is just for applications. This is just for shit's sake. My friends, my relatives, whatever. Yeah. The iconic music video for Friday is filmed on the cheap at Rebecca's dad's house with occasional green screen backdrops. Uh-huh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Patrice films the song's rap break in the style of his idol, Ludacris. Rebecca's friends are all stepping in as the extras. Cute. Which is, that's fun, right? Come on. Yeah, that's fun, right? Come on. Yeah, that's a fun day, yeah. They can't get a school bus for the shoot, so they use a convertible.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Hence why we're all in a convertible. Right, yeah, yeah. Do you know where they filmed that part with the convertible? The driveway, driveway, filmed it in the driveway. Okay. Got him. Fucking hook-aligned, right? On February 10th, 2011, Okay Got him fucking hook a line
Starting point is 00:50:08 On February 10th 2011 arc music factory uploads the video to YouTube Rebecca watches it and is a little off put by her own camera presence She's very self-critical. She isn't like how she don't look at my teeth. She will specifically she sponsors it She's like I've got a zit this brutal. What like could somebody not have? Yeah, I I'm sorry to say Rebecca. I Two-spot Don't tell her don't tell her. I'm sure she knows she knows But that's all okay because this is something for Rebecca's grandma to enjoy and that can be yeah end of the whole conversation Friday baby. it's done.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Well, about a month later, one day, a Friday. Rebecca is on her way home. Yeah, Rebecca is on her way home from school and she gets a notification about her video to the effective. I just saw the Sontosh.0. This song sucks, but it's gonna be huge. Says Rebecca, as soon as I got home, I ran to my computer and I scrolled down to the comments and that was immediately when I was like, oh no, oh no no no no no no no, this is not happening. Make it private! Make it private! What is happening is this.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Rebecca's song has been discovered and posted on Link Aggregator the Daily What and that post has been cross-posted to the web blog of Tosh.0, a popular comedy central show about mean culture. Twitter takes over from there, as they will do. The view count jumps from four digits to five to six to seven. I don't know if you noticed, Josie, but as of this recording, the YouTube video for Friday has 168 million views. And that's just the original upload from Arc Music Factory, like in CD.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Well, I don't, it seems to be the music video does go up and down a couple times. And now it's, but it seems to be in, like, everything I have quoted uses those figures. So I wonder if YouTube restored them when it was given to Rebecca. Because you can see now it's not on Ark Music Factory's count. It's on Rebecca's count. Yeah. That is part of the story. So this is great though, right? Dreams come true. Look at that. Yeah, she's made it big. Yeah. Not so much. It also becomes, as I mentioned, as of this point in 2011, the most disliked video in YouTube history. Internet commentators line up to mock the song, simplistic lyrics, it's silly video,
Starting point is 00:52:31 the use of auto-tune and worst of all, Rebecca herself, her voice, her performance, and her appearance. A viral tweet decries it as the worst music video ever made, and the many national and international headlines covering the phenomenon use that verbiage abundantly. People send Rebecca's family death threats, they tell her to kill herself, they say, I hope you've caught yourself, I hope you'll get an eating disorder so you look pretty. Other nice things to tell a 13 year old girl. Are these people just like the internet isn't real? So I'm just going to say the nastiest things into the world. I don't even think it's just the internet isn't real so I'm just gonna say the nastiest things into the void. I don't even think it's just the internet because I'm gonna give you some other examples of like people saying some really uncool shit right to her. I think that like culturally
Starting point is 00:53:12 we weren't at a very empathetic point. I think that yeah I think that part of it's the online thing. I think that like Twitter is just in its infancy. YouTube is kind of a teenager. Yeah. We're really working through a lot still. I mean, obviously we still are, but- Go volunteer, do beach cleanup. Go like- Me? I'm just like- There's no- To use the energy is better way. I got it. Go folks, go clean up your local waterscapes. Yes, they need our help. Ah, recycle. You think you don't have enough time
Starting point is 00:53:52 to take the labels off of your bottles and cans? You do. Just stop sending hate mail to Rebecca Black. And it's food. Your day opens up. That's what I think. That's what I think, that's what I think as well. And Rebecca, active on every social media imaginable as teenagers are and scrolling through
Starting point is 00:54:12 the comments as they come in is horrified and despondent. Reflecting on the experience she says, it's never easy being a child and having to work your way through everyone else's opinion of you when you've never even established how you feel about yourself. There's no filter that you've built within yourself to be able to say, I don't know if I agree with that. If somebody says you don't belong here, you're bad at this, you're a disgrace for even trying to do something like this. Those words have such a different intensity when you're a child because you just believe them. Also, her intent was not to be a superstar with this, not to not go out into the world with that intention and purpose. It was like this small scale.
Starting point is 00:54:49 I'm just gonna try this. This is fun. Let's try it out. But the internet got it. And then you just like, the internet got it. I got it. Oh my gosh. So while ARC offers to take the video down as you suggest, may you say make it private.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I don't know if YouTube had that function. Like I don't know what the functionality, the reality is. But that might be actually. At this point. But Rebecca refuses feeling that she'd in some way just, you said make it private. I don't know if YouTube had that function. Like I don't know what the functionality of the reality of it is. Right, that might be actually. At this point. But Rebecca refuses feeling that she'd in some way empower her many haters by taking that route. Give up some power. Unfortunately, the video will go up and down a few times as we've alluded
Starting point is 00:55:16 as Rebecca's family and Ark music get into a legal battle over the rights to Friday an unexpected hit. But the whole service of Ark music factory was you own the rights to the song. This is entirely my interpretation from reading one article and I please don't take my word on this, I apologize if I misrepresent anybody's actual position, but my understanding of how it was going was sort of, you know, how it's the two guys, Patrice Wilson and Clarence Jay. Patrice Wilson seems to have been very like the guy who's in the rap break, seems to have been very like, no, they should have all the rights.
Starting point is 00:55:49 This was the thing that we agreed to, but I think that Clarence and like, arc music factory kind of saw the money in it and were maybe trying to nudge the envelope on what they could get out of the whole thing. Right. That original contract was under these circumstances that it would remain a very like small entity. But when they saw how much money they were like, you gotta know that there was a bunch at like in 2016 fucking Dunkin' Donuts did a fucking Friday themed campaign with a whole fucking toxic gossip train right and things. There's money to be made on Friday.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Yes, yeah on on Friday On a bitch. I get paid on Friday Everybody's looking forward to his did you will's residuals absolutely I don't even know what the days are anymore So I gather that Patrice parts ways with arc based on this J. Clarence J. Later leaves Ark. Rebecca Black seems for, I believe, seems to have the rights to this, so I believe she won, because it's on her fucking channel and she will later do a remix of it with a spoiler. She ends up doing a remix of it with a bunch of art cool artists that she seems
Starting point is 00:57:04 to have been in creative control of But yeah, it was a little bit of a squabble between arc and arc and Rebecca Yeah, not not a surprise No, yeah fair enough arc music tries to keep the ball rolling with other LG meme jams in the same vein as Friday like butterflies by Atlanta Lee Hamilton Also a great pull Butterfly butterfly Like that you give me butterflies deep inside I get you Lee Hamilton. Also a great pull. Butterfly, butterfly, butterfly. Like that.
Starting point is 00:57:26 You give me butterflies deep inside. I get you. It's pretty decent. No, these catch fire in the same way, though. And Wilson and J. Leeve Ark amidst seeming bad blood in the label closes its stories in 2012. Oh, RIP. RIPA, okay. Meanwhile, Rebecca's star continues to rise,
Starting point is 00:57:43 offering her sweet opportunities amidst amongst Ammoots among us. Among us. Among us. Among us. Among us. Among us the bitter criticisms and legal kerfuffles. However, she's unprepared for exactly how famous she's become. She is the most googled name of 2011 whoa dog above names like Steve Jobs So she's fucking punching her weight here man the dolly lot. Yeah, oh god mother Jesus. Yes Yeah Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah Let me name more No, Julia Roberts who else who? If I could George Washington Carver.
Starting point is 00:58:28 Everybody. Friday is covered on the biggest teen show of the era, Glee. So again, money to be made on Friday. Friday, Friday, money to be made on Friday. Glee money. Rebecca appears on the tonight show at the Grammys and the Teen Choice Awards in the music video for song. I seem to remember you enjoying Katie Perry's last Friday night TGIF That's a really good one. I think I needed ginger ale that was such an epic fail Dude I watched the music video for this the stars are out in force that one dude fucking Hanson Debbie Gibson
Starting point is 00:59:02 Every but Corey Feldman everybody's it, everybody's in it. Yeah, yeah. And Rebecca Black. It's Friday, everyone comes out on Friday. Absolutely. And such as, such it was, she was synonymous in that era. If Friday were synonymous with a human, it would be Rebecca Black.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Okay, yes, yes. Rebecca Friday, yeah, Black Friday. Is that where the name comes from? She needs to know about this. We need to text her For April 1st, 2011, Rebecca takes over the comedy website funnier dye minting it Friday or dye and She appears on Good Morning America being interviewed for a segment with the sensitive subtitle worst video in the world question mark thousands ridicule teen singer oh how old is she at the time it's like say this oh my god oh my god oh my girl post Andrea Canning peppers the teenager Becca with hate tweets and just just how do you feel about this she says how do you feel this rancid thing that
Starting point is 01:00:04 somebody that some fucking stranger has to say about you just for existing friday is the worst song I've ever heard even deaf people are complaining to which Rebecca responds okay because what the fuck is she supposed to say to that yeah like well I don't think, they're just being mean at that point. Rebecca is then given another tweet, I hate her voice. It's gonna be stuck in my head for life to which she responds. I think that's an accomplishment. I mean, somebody doesn't like me, but it's gonna be stuck in your head. Yeah, yeah. So just responding to these like very gross questions with a lot of poise, we then see Andrea asking the producers how much did you
Starting point is 01:00:46 change her voice, was she off key. We then see them make Rebecca Black sing the national anthem with no auto tune, which she does a fucking good job of, but they don't seem to really focus on that instead asking her, do you think you're a good singer? And she replies, I think I have talent on some level. I'm not the best singer, but I'm not the worst singer. Like she's really, that's really good. Really giving her hell on the like very composed beauty queen answers here. Like my god, fucking props to her for that. Yeah. The story that ends by getting, they chuck back to the main host. It's like Robin Roberts and I forget who the dude is and they you know crack a few more jokes about Friday and how it's not a very good song
Starting point is 01:01:30 And then they reveal the results of their poll on whether the attacks on Rebecca Black or justified 76% of voters say the attacks are justified 24% say they should lay off. She's just a girl What is wrong with people? Yeah, so that's that's that's this when you say oh I didn't know Friday had a story this is the story of Friday people were really fucking mean to her. Yeah, oh my why are they? I've been thinking about it and comparing it a little bit to a story like Shenato Conner and then I was like at least Shenato Conner like deliberately made a very provocative statement that she knew was gonna piss people off
Starting point is 01:02:10 This girl just made a fucking piece of art for her fucking demo reel Yeah That's so rude. Do you think you're a good singer? Do you think you're a good singer and like what the fuck is she saying? And she you know what? I thought she sounded really lovely singing the nash. She didn't sound bad at all. Yeah. She didn't sound bad at all.
Starting point is 01:02:30 So. But if that interviewer was like, you do have a good voice, then the whole story is complete. The whole story falls apart. And it's like, look at this stupid little delusional bitch PSG was 12, three months ago. Like, yeah. Yeah. It's awful. It's awful it's awful it's
Starting point is 01:02:46 Friday it's so bad at least it's Friday yeah at least it's Friday do you think we're Becca Black like at that time hated Friday it's like just stay Thursday can I just get two Thursdays and a row she must have been like a series of impending dreads every time Friday came, which is so ironic because like She couldn't go to school on Friday. Then you can't even look forward to the weekend weekend. It's like the most horrible ironic fate to go off Fridays because of the song. Yeah, I don't have any evidence of that, but I hadn't thought about it. Now I'm concerned.
Starting point is 01:03:23 I can't. Well, it's had to happen. And some small level, she's woke up and I'm like, it's Friday. This is. I'm always down on Friday. Yeah, ever since the internet sent me death right? Yeah. Yeah, they said like pull your music off the internet
Starting point is 01:03:41 or will kill your family. Like they were so mean. They us, we, the good society. Rebecca's strategy at this point in the stories to just roll with the punches, although she acknowledges that this wasn't always the emotionally honest answer, quote, I just remember this overwhelming feeling of just suck it up, smile, stay strong, nobody can know that you're hurting, just laugh with them, black says. And as soon as I started doing that, people saw me as kind of in on it, and that at least felt better than being the butt of a joke. All of the actual pain and embarrassment and shame that came with all that just kind of got swept under the rug for a good few years.
Starting point is 01:04:15 So she's not really, she says like, sometimes when I look back, I'm like surprised at how sad I was and how much I didn't say anything about it because like, I was just trying so hard to get through it. Yeah, yeah. Due to the hustle and bustle of a burgeoning music career and unwanted negative attention from her peers, Rebecca ends up switching to homeschooling. She pursues a cookie cutter pop music career and her Friday follow up Saturday gets to 55 on the billboard charts. Lattically. It makes sense. I am of the opinion. She never did more than Saturday, but I'm of the opinion that she should do like a cycle
Starting point is 01:04:50 over her life of all the days the week and end on Friday again, just a comfortable circle. Yeah. Saturday gets to 55 on the billboard charts, which is three higher than Friday, which is a fucking travesty, because those two songs are not in the same league. Friday should be number one to this day.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Oh. Or to Friday. Yeah. That's that we're good. Look at your clock, Josie. Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock. Ten minutes away. Um, so uh, it's a ten minutes and an hour. But yeah. I don't know how to do math. It's hard. Do you know how to do math? I don't do math. I won't do math. Nobody's do math. Rebecca has people in her ear telling her what to do. None of it interesting to her And she's running into walls from people who don't want to work with her due to Fridays in for me So she gets fed up and she goes back to high school
Starting point is 01:05:38 But with a goal to learn her craft and grow as a performer and return to music when she's done. Nice says Rebecca The only answer that I can give to why didn't you just stop is shit. Like, why don't we all just stop then? Why doesn't anyone just stop? Black quietly homes her talents while maintaining a consistent presence on social media, including YouTube, where she relishes in her complete creative control and ability to connect with her audience on a non-superficial level, saying, I really felt like I could be myself and people really got to know me for who I am as a person instead of just this girl who sang songs.
Starting point is 01:06:09 Yeah. In 2018, she appears on the Fox singing reality show The Four where she sings Bye Bye Bye and Torn by Natalie and Bruglia. Uh, uh, God eliminated, but so it goes, it is a cover, huh, geez. Wait, it's a cover of what, though? Torn by a band called Edna Swap. Exactly. It does not sound like somebody who wrote torn at Edna Swap. In 2021, she releases Rebecca Black was here and EP featuring three new songs, including Girlfriend,
Starting point is 01:06:41 a song about getting back together with her girlfriend because that is right. Rebecca Black, singer Friday, is a queer icon, a practicing gay and a car-carrying member of the movement. Did you say practicing gay? In fact, she describes herself as practicing gayness. Okay, okay. She spends her 21st year discovering her sexuality and making up with a girl for the first time at LA Pride. She now wears that sexuality proudly in her songs, lyrics, and affili out with a girl for the first time at LA Pride. She now wears that sexuality proudly in her songs lyrics and affiliation with the queer community. She performs at the GLAAD awards celebrating her community which she says rallied around her and identified with her as an outsider from early on.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Quote. It means so much because I really felt outside of my own sexuality. I've spent so much time feeling like an outcast and feeling really misunderstood. So it feels so special that the queer community was there for me for so many other people everywhere. She continues to use her platform as a public figure to advocate for the LGBTQ plus community, rally for trans rights, promote mental health and creativity, and speak out against gun violence. Nice. Yeah, moving from strength to strength, Rebecca Headline's Pride
Starting point is 01:07:41 Festivals, DJs at Coachella opens for Kpop stars Blackpink in London's Hyde Park. In 2023, Rebecca Black releases her first full-length album Let Her Burn to Critical Praise. Though Let Her Burn tends toward moodier German-based stuff, she also releases a hyperpop remix of Friday, featuring 303 Doreen Electra and Big Freed of the Queen of Bounce produced by Dylan Brady of 100 Gex. It's a solid album and Josie, it's even better live and I know where I speak. So, I've been keeping a secret from you.
Starting point is 01:08:17 Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh! Do you remember when I peeled out early from... This isn't the reason why, but it happened right after. When I pealed out early from our trip to Vancouver, I was just really, really tired. I was just like, honestly, I just want to like get home, da-da-da-da-da. You think keeping this from me? The whole time, the whole time.
Starting point is 01:08:34 I planned to keep it a secret longer, but I ended up deciding if Friday should be the premiere. You went to a concert? I've been to a... When I was in town? No, you weren't in town. And you didn't tell me? You weren't in town.
Starting point is 01:08:43 You were in town. You were on the Sunshine Coast with your friends. Ah, okay. You were on the Sunshine Coast with your friends. I was in Vancouver and fucking Sam Holden gets in touch and he's like, hey, I've got an extra ticket to Rebecca Black tonight at fucking Fortune Sound Club. Do you want to comment free?
Starting point is 01:09:00 And I was like, no part of me wants to go out right now, but I could use this for the podcast. So I went to Fortune Sound Club, and I went to see Rebecca Black, performer new album. Oh my gosh. OK, so this is making more sense, because I thought you were like, because I was like, do you want to come to the Sunshine Coast?
Starting point is 01:09:23 I could ask if you could stay too. Right, right. And I was like, oh my god, you said no, because we're going, do you want to come to the Sunshine Coast? You could, I could ask if you could stay too. Right. And I was like, oh my god, you said no, because we're going to go see Rebecca Black and then do it. No, what? Okay, but this makes more sense that it like fell the opportunity. Yes. This came up spur of the moment when you were already on the coast and I was already back
Starting point is 01:09:38 here. It was either that I don't think it was the night I came back, but I think it might have been like the next night. Yeah. And so I went, I got to say Rebecca Black, fucking good live performer, really fucking good. So when you sent me the link to her thing and you can click because it's it's hosted by Rebecca. Yeah. At Rebecca. And like kind of just very quickly glimpsing at her videos here.
Starting point is 01:10:05 They look rad. Dude, they're dope. She comes out, the presentation is her flanked by the two gayest shirtless backup dancers you've ever seen in your life doing incredibly homosexual things to around four about her through the entire show. And Rebecca herself looks amazing, looks a treat.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Yeah. She is maybe the best I've ever seen in a small venue at individually working each crowd member. Each time you see, she notices that someone's got a phone up, she hits the pose. She notices that someone's looking right at her, she's like, I'm a wink. She's got like a glittery chainsaw, she brings out,
Starting point is 01:10:39 you get an angle for Instagram, you get an angle for TikTok, you get an angle for Twitter. She's like, fucking, but she's a killer performer. I was really proud of her. She was up there serving it, she looked great, she sounded good, she had like a kind of fun like Ditsy Blowup doll thing that she was kind of affecting throughout, lots of fun. Oh, that's so cool.
Starting point is 01:10:59 Really, if Rebecca Black rolls a lot, especially if it's like a kind of small nightclub venue I get the feeling she probably kicks the shit out of a venue like that She and the crowd loved her all the zoomers were there all the millennials were there everyone shout no We love you Rebecca everyone was so happy to see her. She was so happy to see everybody good shit Good shit did she sing oh it was her encore She made you wait for Friday. She made you go. What is it Friday? What is it Friday? You had to get through the entire week before you got to Friday I did see her on a Thursday, which was a little disappointing. I would have loved for it to have been in Friday
Starting point is 01:11:41 Well, did you watch the clock did it did it tip over? No, sadly no. It was a night, but I like that because I think the concert kind of ended at like nine ten and I'm totally okay with that. Yeah, you know, I gotta get home. Put on my, put on my dangling pom pom cap and my night dress, got my, my little brass candle holder in my slippy ease and getting to bed, you know? you know? Totally, yeah. She did the the hyper pop remix and just like she did in Vancouver, she still ends every set with Friday a song she says she's grateful for. Quote, Friday is something that I still perform because everybody knows lyrics, whether they like two a minute or not, I hear it and people have fun with it. It's now something that's nostalgic. The amount of people that asked me to record a video that song because they played in
Starting point is 01:12:26 their office every Friday very unearonically is amazing to me. Rebecca says she has enjoyed observing the shift from people deriding the song to claiming it as a source of joy. Yeah. As we crest 2023, hating on Fridays rightfully seen as embarrassing and we as a society seem a bit sheepish about how we collectively bullied a 13 year old girl over a decade ago. We have a lot of things to process. Like Britney Spears, the way that we bullied her and like, yeah. I think there's a lot of stuff around specifically, like online bullying that we're probably all
Starting point is 01:13:00 gonna need to like reckon with like our participation in condonement of you know whatever It's kind of sad totally sexist growth. Yeah individual people kick ass people in groups. I don't know. We're not very good together. Yeah, sometimes Internet commenters tend to post apologies rather than hate when her name comes up and billboard and rolling stone rather than hate when her name comes up, and Billboard and Rolling Stone singled the song out in their best of the 2010s wrap-up lists for its influence. Nice, good. And through considerable artistic study, creative practice, hard work therapy, and self-discovery, the Rebecca Black of 2023 is a killer musician and performer and seems like an incredibly
Starting point is 01:13:38 cool check, with a great amount of poise and perspective. She seemed that way throughout! Yes, honestly yes, but perhaps now she has the confidence to do what she wants for herself. Yeah, and I think that's what's so cool, like just like glimpsing at her videos is like, this is this is her, this is not somebody like coming down. Dude, her album's great. Listen to, if you need a, if you need a random pick, I'm only so, so on Hyperpop it can be like a little bit confronting for me, but if you want something that's not that, check out the song
Starting point is 01:14:10 Destroy Me from her album Letterburn. I really like it. It's really good. Okay, cool. She says, quote, I always think back to that version of myself who was five years old and desperate to get on a stage because that was really where I found joy for myself as a little kid. Even after Friday, well, I did have a really hard time with my own self-confidence for a while. There's something about performing and a comfort I found in music throughout my entire life that's never gone away. I also feel like I owed it to myself as a kid who had this dream. It's hard to look at a little kid version of yourself in the eyes, until or to give up. That sense of standing up for a younger version of yourself echoes through a lot of Rebecca's interviews,
Starting point is 01:14:43 and I think it's really heartening how much grace and compassion she's able to show her previous selves as someone who struggles with that exact thing. I respect how much softness she's able to show those versions of herself when the whole world was so incredibly hard on her. I'm going to end this story with the caption of Rebecca's 2020 Instagram post to mark the 9th anniversary of the release of Friday. Now we're at year 12, I believe, Friday. 12 years of Fridays, baby. You can follow her on Instagram, Atmiss, atmiss, MS, Rebecca Black. The photo sees her at the edge of the
Starting point is 01:15:13 bed, looking fly as hell, and the caption is as follows. Nine years ago today, a music video for a song called Friday was uploaded to the internet. Above all things, I just wish I could go back and talk to my 13-year-old self who was terribly ashamed of herself and afraid of the world, to my 15 year old self who felt like she had nobody to talk to about the depression she faced, to my 17 year old self who would get to school only to get food thrown at her and her friends, to my 19 year old self who had almost every producer and songwriter tell me they'd never work with me. Hell to myself a few days ago who felt disgusting when she looked in the mirror.
Starting point is 01:15:43 I'm trying to remind myself more and more that every day is a new opportunity to shift your reality and lift your spirit. You are not defined by any one choice or thing. Time heals and nothing is fitted. Oh, I like that. It's Friday, Friday. Gotta get a dip. Down on Friday. Friday was so instantly addictive to me that I think I got it right away.
Starting point is 01:16:04 The rare thing that I got right away I didn't have to go through the five stages of denial. I was literally just like no. Yeah. Tomorrow is Saturday and Sunday comes afterwards. It's a fucking bomb. There's no barrier to entry, but this isn't this isn't fucking the decemberists, you know. This isn't very hard. No, no, no. It's Friday. Yeah, yeah, just accept it. Move on. No, I, uh, and that Katy Perry song is definitely on the co-tails of this one. Yeah, oh, absolutely. But that's all I felt about that Katy Perry song is like, this is a silly epic fail,
Starting point is 01:16:36 ginger ale song. And that's why it's so good. That's Friday, baby. That's Friday energy. It's very easy for me if I was a musically inclined child, which I was not, now I'm not. You're welcome for opening the show by fucking singing like a few bars, by the way.
Starting point is 01:16:53 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, no problem. I was very impressed. Yeah, a little confused, I could tell, but impressed. Yeah. Is he out? You nailed it. Binius, so to say.
Starting point is 01:17:04 I was a theater kid, dude. It's shock, a fucking shock. So it was a real theater kid. I told the story before, I auditioned for that movie Sky High. I used to be in plays. You and I have been in plays. You and I have been in each other's plays. Yeah. I would have, if I were musically inclined, dug the hell out of an opportunity like this. And I think probably would have been quite shattered for my dirty ganch to get aired out in front of the world like that without
Starting point is 01:17:27 a real prep work or like there wasn't really in the same way like I'm sure it's like even harder now to get really really big really really viable really really quick But with things like TikTok Twitter very finely honed machines, right? Yeah Something like that happening was quite unprecedented largely. Like there's a few examples that you could point to. We talked about something like this happening with South American YouTubers back in our 75th episode. Right, yeah. Or Wing. Wing? Wing. Wing. But this was like to the tune of like 168 million people
Starting point is 01:18:01 to having. Yeah. Going on Good Morning America America and they're like don't you agree that you suck little girl Sing us a couple of bars so we can like make fun of you for people over their coffee like that's brutal to your That's so cruel and so that's and that's what keeps it from being just like an Internet thing to me is like good morning America surely knows better than that right or or should have whether or not they did and whether or not like we as a society did at the time I've said before empathy is like something that we kind of got six months ago right we're still trying it out um yeah I don't know yeah no it's I had no I could tell you had no idea when I was singing for I was like she seems like she's confused as to why this might be a fit for the show and I'm like do not were you not were you when I was singing in front of it. I was like, she seems like she's confused as to why this might be a fit for the show.
Starting point is 01:18:45 And I'm like, do you not, were you not, were you, were you in another country or something? And she was. Well, not 2011, but 2012, yeah. Josie, I think you need a ginger ale because that was an epic fail. You're not, you're not knowing the, all of the infamy behind Friday, but now it's an epic pass because you do. And like, best of all, don't worry about Rebecca Black. She's doing great.
Starting point is 01:19:08 She's kicking ass. I know! That's really rad. My prediction, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm The people love a redemption arc and Rebecca Black does not have anything that she needs to be redeemed for, but I think that perhaps... We do, though. Perhaps we do. That's what I think. I think perhaps... Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:33 I think that perhaps there's a collective realization that she was really broadly mistreated by both industry types and everyday people and television types and internet types, and wouldn't it be like a great way to absolve ourselves if we could be stowed this award upon her but like pretend that we're in some way redeeming her, you know? Well, I think the other thing that's really laudable that doing something like that would, would, like represent is that like she kept at it. She really did, she didn't give up. Because that would have been a very easy thing to be like,
Starting point is 01:20:07 okay, well I'm not doing music, I'm going to be a visual artist. She said, she said, I almost got a job in a thrift store. I like clothes, I could have done it. But it didn't all her the same way and she knew nothing, nothing had kind of helped her like music, right? So that which makes it all the more tragic that like this song ends up being such a great source of upset in her life. Yeah, yeah. Expressing herself through music brought this harm upon her. But again, like you say, to keep going through that is such like a
Starting point is 01:20:36 sterling recommendation of her character. Yeah, it's amazing. It's so amazing. And I love the idea too that like like she does have talent and she can kind of recognize that you know the question like are you a good singer? Is like I don't think I'm the best singer, but I I think I have some Skills in it. Yeah, honestly after a perfectly competent rendition of the national anthem or No, no, no, Chris no. Yeah, yeah. And then for her to kind of keep at it being like, I'm gonna work on my skills. I'm gonna like, I'm gonna show up, but I'm gonna put it in the practice and that's rad. You don't hear that with a lot of people who are super star, you know, who are in the music industry. No, she went when shit wasn't going for like the kind of pop career that she wanted.
Starting point is 01:21:28 She's like, I'm going back to the books, I'm relearning my shit, I'm relearning my craft, I'm finishing my school. Yeah. I'm gonna learn that she's like, I'm gonna do it the way that I would have done it, had Friday not happened. And she really did, and she also like, I saw some pieces make the, some, some articles that I read, make the observation that like, the pop landscape in a time of like Lil Nas X and Billy Eilish is a lot more affectionate towards like, yeah, I'm like a sexy queer blowup doll now and here's my two gay backup dancers, fuck yes bitch, where do I throw the money? Whereas like back then in 2011, not the same,
Starting point is 01:22:02 not the same, a Katy Perry, God bless our Katy Perry right the most the most like Conventionally beautiful cisgender white lady there is as far as I'm aware I'm gonna Yeah, prove me wrong come out as trans Katy Perry challenge, but Red, but yeah, yeah That's a good one dude. That is the story of how we epically failed Rebecca black as a society and now we all need a ginger ale And the story I want to see a concert and tell me. Yeah, for months and I'll tell you.
Starting point is 01:22:34 So I have to fucking report back to you. This is plug the podcast. This is robot Josie. I saw a robot Josie at that wedding. This is now I gotta report back every time I go to a fucking nightclub to watch a concert. I think it's just because I was there. It's like what'd you do? It's like well, it's just a lot of fun. You were in another fucking zip code. I was off the hook as far as I'm concerned. Okay. When the cats away the most will play, okay? Okay. Thanks for listening. If you want more infamy, we've got plenty more episodes at bittersweetinfamy.com. Or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Starting point is 01:24:15 Supermots. That on YouTube, it was posted in 2020. Rebecca Black, in KCM, for the among most Googled names in 2011 by Kurt Orset, for the rap preserved by Reuters, December 15, 2011. Rebecca Black is receiving death threats by Julie Gersini, April 2011 for Culture. Rebecca Black on Friday hate and Davie Alms influences by Gabriel Sanchez for Culture, April 23, 2021. Exclusive, Rebecca Black fighting arc music factory over Friday by Pamela Sheellen for Rolling Stone April 11th, 2011. The Internet mocked her as a teenager, it's a bracing her now by Spencer Cornheiber for
Starting point is 01:24:49 the Atlantic June 18th, 2021. Rebecca Blacktalk's Friday, four years later by Kyle Anderson for Entertainment Weekly, published on March 4th, 2015. Rebecca Black is a queer icon every day of the week by Catherine Sing for Refinery29, April 19th, 2022, and queer, wise, and making up for lost time. How Rebecca Black for Rebecca Friday. By Melissa Rebsinski June 23rd, 2023 for today, we used a sample from Rebecca Black's
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