Blank Check with Griffin & David - The Mirror Has Two Faces with Bobby Finger & Lindsey Weber

Episode Date: February 4, 2024

If Yentl was about connecting with her absent father, and The Prince of Tides was about forgiving her difficult mother, The Mirror Has Two Faces is just about BARBRA! Who Weekly’s Bobby Finger and Lindsay Weber join us as we close out our Streisand series with her final film, a strange Frankenstein of a Judd Apatow, Albert Brooks, and Nora Ephron romcom. Should Lauren (“Betty”) Bacall have won the Oscar that year? Should Pierce Brosnan and Jeff Bridges have swapped roles? Is “the perfect bite” the ideal romcom concept? Is Barbra Streisand actually lazy, as she claims she is? Do we have any listeners who keep snoballs in their drawers? Listen to Who? Weekly  Read Bobby’s book The Old Place Subscribe to Not Broadway This episode is sponsored by: Green Chef (greenchef.com/60blankcheck CODE: 60blankcheck) Join our Patreon at patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter and Instagram! Buy some real nerdy merch at shopblankcheckpod.myshopify.com or at teepublic.com/stores/blank-check

When my date takes me home and kisses me goodnight, if I don't hear the podcast in my head, I dump him. What's the podcast? Phil Harmonic. Gotta move near Lincoln Center if you want that to happen. There are so many Babs lines in this movie that she delivers with what I can only call Hector Elizondo energy. You recently talked about

the most successful joke in movie history. Oh, no, that's in a future episode. Oh, it's in a future episode. Okay. But Runaway Bride, have you seen? Of course. Have I seen? It's not my favorite, Julia, but...

Not mine either, but when she gets on the FedEx truck and the guy... To run away. To flee away. The Tiller Act. And someone's like, where's she going?

And Elizondo says, I don't know, but wherever she is, she's going. She'll be there at 1030 tomorrow. And I just saw a crowd just start firing guns

in the air when he said that. Just like, they just were ready to storm a castle. They were so energized. It's funny. Here's my immediate

hot take on this movie. Yeah. This is like an Apatow film directed by Gary Marshall. That's a great call. Right? Maybe that's what she is. Yes. At least as a rom-com director. Yes. And she thinks it's an Albert Brooks film. Yes. But it's not. It's not. Where she's

like a sixth act and you're like I don't know, Barbara. And she's like, no, it's there. I'm putting it in. She's always right. That's the thing about Barbara that you have to know that I've learned by reading about 250 pages of her book now.

Sure, so a fifth. People say, they say, Barbara, it can't be done. Barbara, no. Barbara, not this. And she goes, no, I'm doing it.

And then guess what? She was right. She's never taken a nail. Never. Never. And her entire life is built above small moments in which people said no, but she did it and she was right. Yeah.

No, the sixth act of this movie. I live the same way, obviously. Yeah. You and Harper are very similar. Very similar. Very similar. The sixth act of this movie is one that clicked for me, where it's like, Apatow must have lost his mind and been like, wait, movies don't have to end?

I can do anything? Like, this was his 2001 space odyssey judd judd judd romantic comedies 95 minutes tops and he's like what if we push on through that right what if the movie contains three sequels to itself that is the thing about him is knocked up is a little little long You're like yeah this is pretty long Then Funny People is way too long I like that movie but everyone's like Jesus Like a whole fucking other movie in this And he's like this is 40 should be similarly long Yes

Right? I'm not learning my lesson at all He never learned his lesson No King of Staten Island was like 140 minutes long, right? Yeah. And the movie's just like Pete Davidson going to the bodega. Nothing happens in it.

You haven't seen the roadshow version, have you? Oh, yeah. No, you're right. Good call. It's just funny to have the movie be this sort of like... It's 137 minutes. Jesus. Wow.

This movie having the energy of like, look, we're not plot driven. It's about characters. It's about dynamics. It flows. And then every scene, there's at least four lines that are pitched to the back of Yankee Stadium

that are given full, like, sort of Henny Youngman. There's one line that really made me laugh. But it also needs to end like it's a 90-minute rom-com. Yes. With like a very traditional ending.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, but it, she does succeed in making, it gives you that good feel. I love how big it is. It works, but you're like, we could have done this in less time, and it would have been cleaner, I guess. Could have had another hour of Lauren Bacall, too, and that would have been fine. I know, it's so true. Now she would have a spinoff show. Now she would go to Apple TV+.

Yes, and no one would watch it. No. But two of your friends would be like, why aren't you watching the Lauren Bacall spinoff show. Now she would go to Apple TV+. Yes. And no one would watch it. No. But two of your friends would be like, why aren't you watching the Lauren Bacall spinoff show? And she would be nominated for something. Yeah, and it's just oners of her tight close-ups. Lauren Bacall, whose real name is Betty, and is a Jew,

which Barbara learns in the book, and then calls her Betty the entire chapter. I'm sure Lauren loved that. Betty Persky. Yeah. Betty Persky. Yeah. Betty Persky. Yeah. I mean, I can see why they changed it

to the sexiest name of all time. Lauren Bacall, yeah. I got so excited watching this movie knowing we were going to do an episode on it. I'd never seen it before. Yeah. But not to call our shot. I'm like watching this movie

knowing our guests are coming in and we're just like, this is fucking automatic home run. We're just going to have our shot. I'm like watching this movie, knowing our guests are coming in and we're just like, this is fucking automatic home run. We're just going to have a ball. It's been a while since I feel like we've talked about a movie that is crazy in this way. Yeah.

Right. That feels like you're having a dream, like a fevered dream. Not to invoke. It's the rare combo of, I can't think of another movie like this that's, I mean, sure, there are plenty. Cozy crazy.

It's very warm, but it's also completely demented. The home again experience. Home again. Home again isn't this cozy. Home again is less spiky. Home again you get mad because you're like, this is bad.

You need to be cold enough. You have to be in jackets in New York City to be this cozy. That's why Barbara's so good. Because, right, she'll always, it'll always be so finely appointed. Everyone will have nice clothes. Every set will be nice.

Sure. Right. Like, I'll shoot on location. Well, that's the other thing is Home Again. So even though in this movie you're like, everyone in this movie has to go to an asylum. Like, but they are having a great time. It's a great New York. It shows New York so beautifully, which I think is always something that you notice now

because we're not getting a lot of movies don't look good anymore. Like this period. It looks great. Two of history's best DPs worked on this movie. One was fired and the other was brought back. Right. Yeah. But like, yeah, Home Again.

I mean, we did a whole episode litigating this. But what's so fascinating about that movie is it's happening at like the death of this type of film. So they were like, you only get to make this as an open road movie with a 12 million dollar budget. fascinating about that movie is it's happening at like the death of this type of film so they're like you only get to make this as an open road movie with a 12 million dollar budget and 20 days to film this has the the scale and the budget and the fucking marvin hamlisch score oh my god and just like best friend yeah one of her bf i mean she's calling in favors everywhere she's barbara she can but it really is a curation and i love that that's about her is that it's taste it's yes it's in the movie is written with i went to the opera to get or the symphony to get inspiration or whatever

and then i thought of the and it's like wow that's so that's so new york and so her uh you said it uh right before we started recording lind Lindsay But the feeling of this movie being the You know what? I'm going to try to make an easy one It's so telling of a type of artist we're obsessed with Who's like, you know what? I've taken on these big, ambitious, unwieldy, emotionally raw projects I want an easy one

I rode some balls up a hill Let's just ride through a New York rom-com Total piece of cake Do you think she says, well, that wasn't worth it? Or like, or I guess That's literally what she says I guess that's it. Yeah.

She hates to work also. That's another thing about Barbara. She hates to work. She's very lazy. Yes. In the memoir, the chapter that's called The Mirror Has Two Faces. Have you finished the memoir? No, I've only read this chapter.

Okay, great. I've only read this chapter. To be clear, I've read one fifth of the book and then I went ahead and I read to this, went to this chapter because it's on page 800, which I don't even think I'll ever reach. It's like 883, I think is where the chapter starts. I don't even think I'll ever reach. It's like 883, I think, is where the chapter starts. I don't think I'm ever getting there. And it starts with her being like, I made Yentl. It took me like 100 years, and I knew I could make it.

Which Roger Ebert basically says in his review, and it almost seems like she's quoting him indirectly. She's like, I made Yentl. It took me forever. It was meticulous. And then I made Prince of Tides. I worked a little less hard, but I still worked really hard. And she's like, I proved to myself I could make hard movies, good movies that are

critically adored. And she was like, I had to prove to myself I could make an easy movie. I love that. So she did this and then she does make it complicated. Done. Right. I have a lot of thoughts on this. We'll talk about this thoroughly. And I've already done this bit before. I'm going to repeat a bit, but I just think it's always going to work. I have the Barbara book here on my desk. Boom.

Do you know how much this book costs? $50. Kendall was $18. You know who paid for it? It's good. Kendall was $18. Do you know that if you download it to your Kindle it makes your Kindle heavy? Nice, guys. You put it on the desk, it's like, hmm.

Really? I think thing's pretty light. There's too much e-ink inside all of a sudden. I mean, I just can't wait until somebody breaks into my apartment and I hit them with the book. Well, no, or they try to steal it and it slows them down. And I'm like, that costs $50. Their knees buckle. I told my mom, I had some Audible credits and I was like, Mom, do you want, because I've sent her a couple novels that I thought she would like, and she did, because she prefers

to read. But I was like, do you want to read the Barbra Streisand memoir? I feel like you would. I was like, but it's like a thousand pages long. I could send you the audiobook. Right. It's 40 hours long, and she goes. 48 hours.

48 hours, and she goes. A full note. A full note. She goes, does Barbra read it or does someone else? And I was like, Barbra does. And she goes, okay, yeah, I'll take it take it yeah apparently it's very the audiobook is very good i i just i just listened to julia fox read i said i couldn't i can't she read the strident book no she read her own memoir and i said it took so long to finish that i was like if i start barbara 48 hours i'm

that i'm really never gonna finish julia fox Julia Fox's memoir also 1,000 pages long? No, but it's long enough. It's long. Anything longer than a pamphlet on that one. No offense to Julia Fox. She's got a story in life, but she's no Barbara. Right, right. Barbara on Stern, she said something to the effect of,

Yeah, I listened to that too. People ask me why the book's so long, so I never have to do an interview ever again. She's lazy. She is lazy. It's all in here. It took her 10 years. They asked her to do an interview ever again. She's lazy. She is lazy. It's all in here. It took her 10 years. They asked her to do it. It took her 10 years.

She did it. And we're done with this forever. Did she really write it longhand or is that just... She really did. I believe that. That was the other thing she said in the Stern interview was like, he was like, so what are you going to work on now? And she's like, I'm going to hang out with friends.

I haven't seen people in 10 years. Jesus, Barbara, relax. She truly was like, I've done nothing else for the last 10 years. Throw the book on the desk again. She's such a Jewish mom. The Stern interview is so funny. When he's like, Barbara, you're so sexy. You've dated so many hot guys.

What's that? And she's like, what are you talking about? Howie. Very good. Very good mixture of people. She's like, I'm not sexy. Haven't you seen The Mirror Has Two Faces? Haven't you seen Acts 1 through 5 of The Mirror Has Two Faces?

That's a great point. An hour and 30 minutes telling you I ain't nothing special to look at. That's a great point because this movie is kind of everything. In reading the first like million chapters of the book about her mother never told her she was beautiful. Yes. A big thing for her. Her father neglected her, left her family, died early actually. Her father died early but then her stepdad also ignored her.

Her stepdad never was awful to her. Wouldn't pay attention to her. She would kill her stepdad if she could. He is dust. He is done to her. She hates him. But the movie is like all those themes, which was interesting to kind of see in tandem with the book.

She pours herself into these things. We'll talk about it. It's almost like method at this point. That's why I'm like, it's so good to see her go method. It's like Yentl is her sort of trying to channel her dad. Her dead father, who she never got to know. Prince of Tides is her trying to get in touch with her mom. Forgive her mother. Right, exactly.

It's her trying to forgive her mom. And this one is her being like, what about Barbara? Me! Right. She's obsessed with the idea that she's not traditionally beautiful. Obsessed. Yes. And that's like the main... Introduce our show.

This is Babs, Chad, McIrfan, and David. Yep. Our farewell to Babs. It is. Aw. It's a podcast about filmographies. Directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce.

Baby, this is a miniseries on the films of Barbara Streisand. I always say it like that for some reason because I'm trying to make sure I don't say Barbara. It's Barbara. Barbara. I mean, her name is Barbara. Sorry, Barbara. Well, I'm actually looking at the cover of this

100-page book here, and it says, My name is Barbara, so you're wrong. I'm wrong. I do love that her book tour clearly is just jewish mom guilt she's like you know how hot i worked on this thing yes come on stern read it it's a mini series on the films uh of of barbara streisand it is called podcastle and today we're talking about what is to date her final film now she has threatened to make other movies.

She has. I welcome them. Please make another movie. She's five years younger than Ridley Scott. This is true. She can go make her Napoleon. She can make three Napoleons. No, he can make three Napoleons.

Only he can do that. Right. She can make half a Napoleon. I know a guy who has cannons. Like, that's the whole thing. It's not just that he's a good director. He clearly just knows, like, the guy with cannons. Yes.

Yeah. An underrated part of directing. I mean, it is... But it is part of this movie where, like, as you said, Lindsay, this is her calling in every favor. The big one that she keeps on saying she has wanted to do for the last 20 years is Gypsy. Gypsy.

And it came down to Sondheim saying she could either star or direct, but not both. And that was the stalemate. Now she's too old to star. So she could just direct. I mean, even 10 years ago, when she was too old to play it, she still was like, I'm going to do it. She ends this book saying that that's her dream.

I mean, it would be... I'd love her to direct it. I don't know, but then... Again, Lazy Woman. Listen, she wants to spend time with her friends. Because it's a big conversation. She needs a decade with her friends. Our guest today returns to the show for the first time in too long.

Bobby Finger, Lindsay Webber, Who Weekly. Hi. Hey, what's up? Am I wrong in thinking this is Bobby's fifth time? Oh, because Bobby had a solo. Can I catch up by doing my own episode sometimes? I don't know that it's fifth. Cloud Atlas.

Cloud Atlas. Something's got to, it may be third or fourth. Something's got to give. And then this is your third episode, the two of you together. You guys are forgetting Ricky and the Flash. Ricky and the Flash. Amazing episode. Amazing episode.

You've got mail in this. Yeah, we've done some amazing episodes. So, Lacey's got to do two solos and then you're tied. I would like to do that. Oh, I forgot about Ricky and the Flash. You can't forget about Ricky! How did I forget about Ricky and the Flash? They told me to get ready for her!

They told me on every poster in every AMC for months. We really get called in for these big things. I feel like we are on the most episodes that people skip. No, you are not. Wrong. I think so. Totemic. Totemic films. No, I love being there. That's a great place for us to be. No, you are not. Wrong. I think so. Totemic. Totemic films.

No, I love being there. That's a great place for us to be. No, I love... How many... Yes, when there's a movie you think your listeners are going to skip, it should be us. This is similar to Ricky and the Flash in that it's like big female star, movie that is unhinged and a little long, but kind of great, you know, and like weirdly dramatic. Weirdly final film.

Weirdly a final film. True. Yeah, although hopefully not for long with Barbara. Okay, so now wait. Now that you've been introduced, who could play... Gypsy? Mama Rose in Gypsy.

The problem to me is it's like, of course there are grand dames who she could cast. Sure. But would she then get along with them? Like who's... This is the question. Right, because she doesn't get along with... It's not just who would you cast, it was who could Barbara cast. Sure. But would she then get along with him? Like, who's... This is the question. Right, because she doesn't get along with... It's not just who would you cast,

it was who could Barbara cast. Right. Well, this is, like, also famously, she never went to see Lea Michele in Funny Girl. Like, she... Even people, like, put themselves out to die for her. Like, they're, like... It's kind of a...

You should never be like, Barbara is it for me? Because she'll never pay you back. No, never. Like, she will never... She gives big Barbara stepdad energy to anyone who idolizes her direct patty lapone like they would kill each they would kill each other does leslie manville sing bring her in bobby does leslie manville every british they all sing ever asked does anyone even really need to sing in that movie yeah It's fine. They can talk it. We'll talk it.

Because, yeah, that's fun. But like, right, if it's Hathaway, do they both storm off on day two of filming? Well, Hathaway's too young. What's the age

we're looking for here? Yeah, I was going to say, well, how old? Sort of 50s, 60s, right? You could be almost. You could be pushing 70. Yeah, you could be pretty old. What about like Bette?

What about Bette Midler? She's pretty old. That's a double homicide. They would, I know, they would kill each other. Again about Bette? What about Bette Midler? She's pretty old. That's a double homicide. I know, they would kill each other. Again, that's right. That's a promise. Day three deadline reports.

That's like tear in the space time continuum. That's like the soundstage disappears. The black hole opens. No one knows what happened. You're right. She needs an actor who is deferential to her as a personality in person and as a director. What about? So who's that?

Who doesn't have a big personality? She's not the best singer. But Glenn Close, who's so desperate for her Oscar that she's just like, I'm not going to fuck with Babs. Glenn would be amazing. Step on me, Barbara. No, Glenn would be amazing. Yeah. And Glenn would really buy into Barbara's kind of like all-in perfectionist type of work.

I defer to you, Barbara. Right. I defer to you, Barbara. Right. I defer to you, Barbara. And nothing is going to be done without it being the best possible. That's the thing with Barbara. She'd need $400 million. They could talk about Yentl and Nobbs. We both did that.

Right? We both did that. Yentl and Nobbs is like Rizzoli and Isles. Like, what's this new show on TNT? They could bring that to TNT. Wait a second. Get Zaslav on the phone. No, I feel like... We both did that.

Every five years, Glenn Close is like, and by the way, I'm bringing the Sunset Boulevard musical back. Like, she keeps reviving it, threatening to do it as a movie. There is that part of her that if you said, like, Glenn, what if you put all this energy into Gypsy instead? Would maybe be a better use of everyone's time. Well, now she's going to have to kill Nicole Scherzinger.

So, Nicole brought it back to the West End. Yeah, and apparently she's incredible. Yeah. That's what everyone's saying. Absolutely stunning. Norma Desmond?

Yes. She ends up bloody every night. Andrew Lloyd Webber is obsessed with her. Yeah, it's true. Absolutely obsessed with Nicole. He has been for a long time, too. It's the funniest thing

in the world. He's obsessed with Nicole Scherzinger. He is, yeah. Wow. Who isn't, you know? Wow. It's fair, I guess. Nicole Scherzinger as Norma Desmond, yes, since the New York Times. She's doing an amazing job.

Good for her. Yeah. That show isn't that good, though. Never seen it. Yeah, it's a B-tier show. Glenn keeps on being like, I think this time people are really going to like it. Yeah, right. It's like, fundamentally, it's like a weak Andrew Lloyd Webber show and he's not the best to begin with. I mean, God bless him. God bless him. All right. The Mirror Has Two Faces. Welcome. Had you guys seen?

Yes. Looked into the mirror before? Only once before. I saw it for the first time in like April 2020. Yeah. It's because we were all a little young for this in 1996. We weren't rushing to Babs, right? I was a completist but not till later. I didn't see it like in theaters. But I'm a Babs completist, obviously. I did not see it when my mom rented it because I saw the cover. It was

like rented with the cover. With the protector over the cover because I remember seeing the cover and saying, can I watch that with you? And she said, which I will not ever forget, no, this is a movie for moms. And so for not ever forget, no, this is a movie for moms. And so for so much of my life, it's a movie for moms.

It really is. It really is. Which became your genre later in life. Oh my God, little did she know. Oh, she knew. I love movies for moms. How's your son Bobby doing? He's going to be a mom someday.

He's a real mom. Movies for moms. So, it is. Barbara Streisand The Mirror Has Two Faces Jeff Bridges obviously

Pierce Brosnan George Siegel all the greats Mimi Rogers Lauren Bacall Brenda Vaccaro love Brenda Vaccaro who has nothing to do in this

but I love her who that role was Donna Karan wanted to play it who is Babs' real best friend and said she said

I'm your real best friend can I play the role and Babs said Donna you'd have to play it, who is Babs' real best friend. And she said, I'm your real best friend. Can I play the role? And Babs said, Donna, you'd have to memorize lines. And Donna said, well, I don't want to do that. She said, no, but Donna said, you missed the best part. Donna said, I will pay you $500,000 to let me be your best friend in The Mirror Has Two Faces. And Barbara was like, it's not going to work out. Babs is obsessed with Donna Karan, her best friend.

One time they got massages together and Babs thought that was the craziest thing that had ever happened. Because they disrobed or simply to do it in the same room? the people who were massaging them

did everything in tandem at the same time. That does sound intense, I guess. And she's obsessed with that. People sort of, you know,

doing this to Babs and Donna. The fact that it's only one short chapter and there's so much in here really speaks to kind of her, the minutiaia of the movie itself and how much she cares and how much she remembers about the making of this movie, which I think you can see it when you watch all the little details that she perfected. She is a detail-oriented filmmaker. I want to tell you guys about other things she did not make in the sort of interregnum for her directing career.

The normal heart being the big one. I think we talked about that on the last episode a little bit. She was the first choice for Aurelien Three, right? It was Danny Boyle, Barbra Streisand, then they land on Patrick. She really wanted to do the normal heart, but Larry Kramer wanted to be the sole credited screenwriter. She wanted to keep her options open.

Love that. So funny. I don't know, Larry. Larry Kramer v. Barbara Streisand is like, it's like fan fiction. It's so good, but it's real. No one, yeah. She loved the play.

She says, I wanted it out in 1987. Everyone who goes into that play comes out understanding why you want to get married to someone. Well put, Barbara. She also wanted to make a a jackson pollock movie with robert de niro at one point she optioned a book about jackson pollock okay strice n was gonna play lee krasner okay so she probably never watched marcia gay hard much much like leah michelle right um she optioned a book about uh a gay woman in the Washington State National Guard.

Became a television movie starring Glenn Close called Serving in Silence. Okay. Glenn. Glenn in the orbit. Remember Serving in Silence? Glenn's in the Rolodex, right. She served in silence. Love that.

Serving. In silence. Could be great. Could be great. Could be great. She brings in another writer on Normal Heart at one point and wants Dustin Hoffman to start. This sounds insane. I don't know. It all falls apart.

They're all yelling at each other. She's mentioning the Normal Heart in this chapter. Yeah, the book references she took a break from dealing with that. Like, she actually references that she's been... Barbra Streisand saying The Normal Heart is her burden is, I think, so a perfect description of Barbra Streisand. She's like, I stopped dealing with that to do this or whatever. And I don't think she ever went back to it. Also saying that's a movie about marriage is hysterical.

Leaving that movie and saying it explains why you want to get married. I'm like, you know what? Fine. She says to a person, too. She's not even, but I, it's one of those things where I'm like, I get you, Barbara. Okay, yeah.

So that all falls apart. They're fighting over who wanted the rights. I don't know. Larry Kramer's obviously in the right about this, where he is like, this is my life story. The other part of it is, it's not like she's like, I want to hire another writer.

She just said, I want the power to be able to should I decide later. Yeah, but then I think she started bringing them in. Okay. And they would fight more. Like, Larry Kramer is not usually going to come off as this sort of sane sort of voice of reason, calm, but I think he maybe does in these fights.

No, and I think we talked about in the Prince of Tides episode, but like when she said she wanted to option the play, Larry Kramer was ecstatic and a lot of his friends were like what are you doing? And he said the number one goal was to try to like get the story onto a stage. She's going to give it

a big stage. I don't expect that she will make a somber controlled direct adaptation of the play. She's going to turn it into something else, but even then with that understanding Schlock. She going to turn it into something else but even then with that understanding schlock she would have turned it into schlock sure all right so parallel to all this there is a french film called the mirror has two faces that's not what it's called about a humble housewife who gets plastic surgery which makes her mean husband meaner

because then he's jealous of how hot she is. Okay. Is that the best way to describe it, I think? I've never seen that synopsis. And then isn't there murder? I think it may end in... Double murder. Oh, boy.

Doesn't end in murder? Yes, she kills the doctor. No, he kills the doctor. Someone kills the doctor. Oh, the husband kills the doctor. Right, because he's so mad at the doctor for making his wife a bitch. And then she just decides to be a housewife again.

The one thing I know about this project is that the American translation is wrong. That this movie uses. Right. It's a thing where they're literally translating word by word. It's a mirror with two faces. It basically is. It's a double-sided mirror. Yeah, it's the two-faced mirror.

Right. And they're going word by word and they're like, ah, the mirror has two faces. Which is one of those things where they're like, ah, the mirror has two faces. Which is one of those things where you're like, it sure does. Well, Barbara's adaptation was based on that mistranslation.

Yes. You know, like, it worked in her favor, kind of. Absolutely. She said, get rid of the murder, get rid of the plastic surgery,

and we've got ourselves a movie. Yeah, let two people stand in front of the mirror. Some absolute deranged psychopath at TriStar acquires the rights to this French movie. Yeah, let two people stand in front of the mirror. Some absolute deranged psychopath at TriStar acquires the rights to this French movie.

I don't really understand why. And wants to turn it into a comedy vehicle starring John Candy. Oh my God. I guess it's the husband? Yeah, as who? I don't know.

Or maybe a gender flip? Yeah, maybe a gender flip. Should I flip my microphone over to you? Ben's considering this deeply. Ben's just going to mime his. He doesn't have a mic. John Candy getting plastic surgery to look different is sort of, like, I could see that being funny in 1991.

Candy can sew a lot. It would be giving something we're not really allowed to do, which is like kind of fat suit vibe. Sure. Yeah, I don't know. Would Candy be playing husband and wife? Was that the pitch? Whoa. Nutty professor. Yeah. I don't know. Would Candy be playing husband and wife? Was that the pitch? Whoa. Nutty professor.

Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Let's see. All right. Well, I don't know. We don't really know what the Candy version of this movie is. Richard LaGravenese.

LaGravenese? LaGravenese. I don't know. How do you say his last name? We don't know. Is brought in to write it and starts turning it into a rom-com. Prince of Tides and Fisher King, which he also wrote, are in the awards race at the same time.

They're the 91 movies. And so they keep crossing paths, he says. And he gives her the script. He, you know, had turned a dark melodrama into a romantic comedy about people disillusioned by love streisand said i wanted to make a movie with a happy ending all my characters fanny katie yentl lowenstein lowenstein they all wind up alone i wanted the girl to finally get the guy yeah yes you guys seen the prince of tides of of course. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And she related it, she related it to the mother-daughter relationship here. To me, me being a teacher in the film, because my father was a teacher, she said, okay, my dad went to Columbia, which is the university in the movie. It just felt right. Okay.

She's a stand-up comedian, too. Her classroom performance in this movie, Oh, my God god It is like she is Doing the Bernie Mac Def Jam set Yes I've never seen Her fit There are also like

400 kids in the room And she seems to know All their names She's like Jimmy And they're cracking up Eli Roth did you notice Eli Roth

I did not notice Eli Roth I did notice Skipper From Sex and the City Is in his class Yes he's in his class Right Eli Roth He's the one where Jeff Bridges is like,

I don't know, say a baseball is going through the air and they're all suddenly like, wait, math could be about baseball? When they go to the symphony and what's his face is like, who's your girl? And he's like, it's Rose. And he's like, hi, Rose. She sees students from her class up at the balcony and Eli Roth.

Eli Roth. He's in two shots. He's in earlier in the classroom as well. He's got one ear pierced. And he is giving a performance that I would say is somewhat swishy. Oh, shit. That feels a little insensitive. He's got those dang brows.

Yes. He's always got them. I would love to just have him monologue about his time on this movie. Like, where is that? He probably, someone should ask him. He made a film based on it. It's called Thanksgiving. Oh, God.

I haven't seen it yet. I bet they did. Gotta go see Thanksgiving. So, of course, what else attracts Barbara to this project? The idea that she can make a film about appearance. A sermon on beauty. The idea that beauty's in a film about appearance, a sermon on beauty, the idea that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, that the world mirrors back to your own perception of yourself

based on your experiences as a child. It's about, you know, about all this stuff. She can finally, like, weigh in on it. She says, I've been called an ugly duckling and I've been called one of the most beautiful people in the world. So, you know, people love my profile. They hate my profile. Her profile gets a lot of work in this one. I really like her people in the world. So, you know, people love my profile. They hate my profile. Her profile gets a lot of work in this one.

I really like her profile in this one. People think I'm cross-eyed. People love my eyes. Do people think she's cross-eyed? It's an optical illusion with her face. She talks about it a lot. So, you know, that I guess is appealing. And also she can call in Marvin Hamlisch.

I think she just wanted to use him again after, like, The Way We Were to, like, give me this sweeping kind of, like, melodramatic, like, old school score. It really does have one. This was, like, the cornerstone of her film career in the 70s was doing, like, the Ryan O'Neill comedies, you know? Like, The Way We Were is obviously huge, but she had this realm where it was, like, she is aNeill comedies, you know, like the way we were is obviously huge, but she had this room where it was like she is a comedy star. She's really funny.

She makes relationship comedy up the sandbox and what's the baby one called? I always forget the one where the poster... The pussycat one? Yes, but there's the one

where the poster is her with the giant baby bottle tied to her back. I haven't seen that. That I think is one of the weirdest movie posters ever. Fuck. But she,

but the but the but her she's so good at that comedic delivery and it's like literally it's stand-up delivery like it's punchline punchy comedy delivery it's great yes it's the fanny bryce the it's the funny girl in her up the sandbox you are correct what's the gene hackman one uh the gene hackman one is called the main Event. No, that's Burt Reynolds? No, Main Event's the second Ryan O'Neill. That's Ryan O'Neill, right. She does like five consecutive John Peters produced men and women are fighting with each other comedy.

Often with kind of all night long is the Hackman one. Yeah. Yes. I always wonder watching this, like with her perspective on beauty and being like, people think I'm ugly. People think I'm beautiful. How well she shoots herself is so interesting to me. Cause it's like, it's almost like she's shooting from the perspective of someone who thinks that she's beautiful. So then I think about her, her inner monologue of, am I beautiful? Am I not? I think she has confidence because you wouldn't shoot

yourself so confidently otherwise. Like you're saying so many profile shots. It's like, she must know that like, that's the money. Well, that was the fight with the original cinematographer. Because she was like, I don't look right in these shots. You're not using the right filter. And he's like, yes, I am. She finds out that he's lying to her and fires him because she's like, I know how I look good.

No, I know. And there are scenes where there's just gorgeous light across her almost like a mask or something and you're like, oh my,

only someone who really knows the way that they look the best is shooting her. Like, it is. She must have a folder this big like the light required.

It's incredible. The scene where they're watching baseball, I don't know, in some like little room you're like, the light on her is like ethereal. He looks good too where they're watching baseball, I don't know, in some little room. You're like, the light on her is ethereal. He looks good too. When she watches baseball and she's like, let's get a rally going.

I don't understand baseball. He's like, it's ratios. It's ratios. I have a bow tie. This is a movie where the lighting is so soft that even if they were to release it in 4K, it would be in standard def. Yeah. You know, where it's just like, it is so controlled.

But we will get to all the reviews of this movie, which will be its own section at the end of this episode because people really attacked her. And the cornerstone of all the reviews, weirdly I would say, especially the ones from female critics, were like, this movie is just so obsessed with her shooting herself in the way she wants. It's all her saying, please don't look at me, I'm hideous, and shooting herself in the way she wants. It's all her saying, please don't look at me, I'm hideous and framing herself in the most beautiful way. And there's a quote, I think it's from Janet Maslin's review that says, the camera cannot help but love her even when it has a gun to its head. It's good. Also a gun. But the movie, I think that I read those reviews too. And I was like, wow, people were so nasty about this movie, specifically because of that, because of her vanity. But the movie does the turn in the middle, the iconic, the beautiful, memorable scene with, you know, Lauren Bacall saying it was wonderful about beauty, which I'm sure we'll talk about later. ends with the kind of,

which I had forgotten about because I've only seen this like three times, but I had forgotten about the turn at the end of that scene where she, Barbara realizes that she has always been beautiful. Like there, yes, she gets the workout montage after that

and then she gets sexy hair, whatever, and like starts dressing like in more form-fitting clothes. But in that scene, she realizes, wait, I was seeing myself through the eyes of my mother. The child photo.

Like I was always seeing myself through the eyes of my mother. The child photo. Like, I was always seeing myself through the eyes of my mother. I've always been pretty. The conversation she has with Bacall, and I believe that, but the scene where she's saying, was I pretty as a baby, is, that is Stryson, she says, that is a conversation she had with her mother. Like, word for word. Crazy. Right, in the book, she's like, why did you never tell me I'm beautiful? And her mother's like, I thought you knew. Or like, why why did i i just i i loved you the way that i could i never what i didn't know i had to say it or something like stuff like that so i don't want to hyper fixate

on it but i do think it is like necessary to forefront in the conversation barbara streisand not getting a nose job in the 1960s was basically the most transgressive act she could possibly do in constructing career as a movie star and it it continues to be the thing. And I think for as much critics were just like, why won't she fucking get over it? Everyone's loved her for 40 years. Get over it. We all think you're pretty. Stop it. And it's like this is an industry that is largely created by Jews where everyone is told to change their name and their face to not play Jewish, right? And she doesn't because of her voice, which is hilarious because, again, she doesn't even like singing that much.

No. She actually really wanted to be a movie star this entire time. The singing is secondary, which is wild because, obviously, she's a fine actress. She's a fine to good actress, but she's an amazing singer, right? Like, that's the thing. She doesn't even really care about that. So the idea that she is focused on her appearance from the very beginning, I wonder if she wasn't also a singer, which kind of got her into acting through the back door, she would have gotten the nose job because it would have nothing to do with it. She had this thing that was like negotiating leverage you can't think of any other actor who kind of uh

refused to give into the the standards of beauty and constructing a career as a leading lady over a run of decades more than she did where you're like jennifer gray gets the nose job 10 years before this movie after barbara has been a star for 25 years so richard lagravenous yes right gives her the script she's like this script needs a lot of work that's surprising that she would say that but she did do a table reading with she said i'm bringing larry kramer we're on very good terms uh she does a table read with okay jenna rollins i assume would have been the mom makes a ton of sense incredible ray leota i assume in the bridges role i don't really know definitely george siegel all right so same kept terry gar so maybe she's the mini rogers sure and peter bogdanovich i don't i see pierce

brosnan sure and carrie fisher maybe it's the friend. Of course. Quite a cast for a reading, but the script needed a lot of work, so I set it aside to focus on developing the normal heart, preparing my concert at the MGM Grand, going on tour, and producing the, you know, Glenn Close movie. Yeah. So I love how Barbara's just always like,

I was busy, to be clear. She approached Robert Zemeckis at one point to maybe direct it. She was like, maybe I shouldn't direct this, just star in it. Maybe the script should be Hello, Hornet. You know from boobs, Zemeckis. Herbert Ross, she says, and then... Herbert Ross makes a ton of sounds.

Yeah, and then Gary Marshall. Okay, well... She goes to Gary Marshall and he said, are you going to tell me where to put the camera? And I thought, this will never work yeah i said strice it uh she gets a new draft and she's like oh i'm i'm gonna okay now i'm gonna direct this um the plastic surgery thing of course like you said that's she doesn't want to do that she wants the you know the self-esteem issues to be deep from childhood something internal so you know they lift all that, it's also this thing of like,

I need to will people into finding my beauty attractive, not changing what my beauty is. There's also just no way this movie could have involved her getting plastic surgery without giving her a nose job that she refuses to get in real life.

So it's just, how would they even CGI her in the nose she could have had? Like, there's no way. We didn't have D-nose technology in 1996. Could have made her nose bigger and then made it go smaller at the end. Like, I don't, there could have had. Could you imagine? We didn't have D-nose technology in 1996. Could have made her nose bigger and then made it go smaller. Like, I don't, there's no way.

Could you imagine this movie having 1996 era CGI nose work? Like a weird blur. If she moves her head too fast, like the nose changes size. I like that this movie is so much, like, the vanity, the beauty stuff is in its DNA. That's clearly the story that she wants to tell. But because of, I guess, the trend of romantic comedies at the time, she's like, we also have to like

break down the relationship, romance. Let's do like, let's be about two neurotic people who are hyper fixated on like romance and sex just because like that's what all the other movies were doing around that time, which is why it feels so, it feels like two different totally

rom-coms happening once but then also this movie's take on that is is the only person who could ever fall in love with Barbra Streisand someone who doesn't care about being sexually attracted to

or having sex with that person like that's her weird it's weird because her real husband is horny for her totally and every interview

when they're together he's always like I'm so horny for her that's like their whole relationship yeah jim le graveness says he thinks they never quite crack the script he blames himself of course they never crack the script the movie the whole movie is saying sex doesn't matter it's all about like sex doesn't matter at all and then in the end of the movie it's like sex does matter and looks are important and here's puccini like yeah the problem with the movie is yes when bridges is describing this arrangement you're like well

he's wrong yes and you know that he dismantles this structure then they literally rebuild the structure and then just fall in love inside of it like that's what they're doing in this movie this but i like it right she just falls in love with his friend this movie also is there are two movies that came out in 1996 that have six acts that are about people who get married and then fall in love an hour later into the movie this and jerry mcguire like two movies where it's like right they get married and then the end of the movie is them being like i think we're in love with each other like you fucking better be well the end is like we did together will you marry me she's like i already am married to you and And it's like, that is this whole movie.

Don't you remember the City Hall scene an hour and a half ago? Remember they got married already? I wasn't even thinking about that. But this movie coming out the same year as Jerry Maguire is really a death knell for it. The reason you weren't thinking that is because I said to my wife as Walt Forky while watching this movie, when do you think this came out? She's like, I don't know, the mid-80s? And I was like, nope, 1996.

Well, I remember, look, because I remember seeing this trailer in theaters. I knew it came out when I was old enough to have consciousness or whatever. But still, like, Jerry Maguire is immediately going like, this is what this movie looks like now. Here's the most modern version of this

movie. And in theaters, I mean, basically at the same version of this movie and in theaters I mean basically at the same time as this movie which is two stars who have been huge for 30 years doing the most bizarre like it's simultaneously a 40s movie a 60s movie and an 80s movie Jerry Maguire is such a weird

but also Jerry Maguire is a crazy movie it's a crazy movie like Jerry Maguire is a movie when described you're like well that doesn't make any sense. It's like describing every Cameron Crowe movie. When you speak it out, you're like, well. No, but that's why he got to keep making movies. He'd be like, they're going to buy a zoo.

And I'm like, I don't think that's a good idea. He's like, ah, it's always worked for me before. It's the Amy Pascal email where she's just like, we cannot keep greenlighting these movies. Said from my Sony Xperia whatever, yeah. Right, right. Two. Two. David.

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meal kit for eating well so lagravanos is very much like i really hate that people called it a vanity project because like it's my script and i don't think i like got it right like i think i could have worked on it more he loves her she's from an old school she works her heart out she doesn't suffer fools she demands you're as committed as she you know he's like full of praise for like old brooklyn babs you know um yeah uh so john candy of course is not the star jeff bridges is the star. What do you think of that, guys? She says he has a strong masculine body in her book. I mean... I thought you guys would enjoy that.

He does. I love that the movie has to sort of... It establishes her as, like, undesirable and not pretty so quickly by being like, here she is with her snowballs hidden in her drawer. And, like, she's frumpy watching baseball and she lives with her mother but it also sort of it's egalitarian it has to make his him sexy as on the nose as it makes her like not sexy yes because it's like he's hot it's like indiana jones all the students want to fuck him and also they're like is he gay he's so hot he must be gay which is a very like 90s joke boring to be yeah He's too boring to be gay. Yeah, he's too boring to be gay. Right.

And then it's like, not only is he sexy, like, he loves sex and sex makes him crazy and his girlfriends are hot. And he's dating a model, right? And so, like, he must be hot because he's dating models. Yeah.

Elle Macpherson climbed the Micah Tree. She sure is. But also, when he sees Elle Macpherson, he, like, basically falls off the podium. Well, wait, but isn't that the kind of, it's like he's obsessed with sex because when he sees a hot woman, he cannot think or breathe. Right. And that's when he gives that, the first scene, which again, never happens really again, is that he's on his little podium and the shots are going crazy because he can't, his brain is breaking because there's all these hot girls like whispering about him.

It's a wooga. Yeah. It's a wooga. Yeah, it's a wooga. He has a heart attack. He turns into a Jerry Lewis character. So that never comes back. But I think that is mainly the main thing where obviously sex complicates things, but he cannot think or be smart

or do anything when there's hot women in his vicinity. But it's such a weird way to characterize that to see exactly one example of this playing out, which is he goes and does a reading all mcpherson's in the audience he goes gaga from like blue vision right and then she's like by the way we were in a committed relationship he goes to george seagull goes whatever you do make sure i don't don't go home tonight but and then she come together yes right it doesn't make any sense why would he still be like blown away at the side no she's very pretty and he's then they sleep together. Yes. Right. It doesn't make any sense. Why would he still be like blown away at the sight? No, she's very pretty. And then they sleep together.

Both of them are like, that was incredible. What amazing sex we have together. By the way, I'm leaving. Why? Well, because I'm still with the guy I left you for. I'm cheating on him with you because I found out he's cheating on me with someone else. She's getting it out of her system. I'm leaving.

Nice seeing you. And he's like, I can never, ever have sex ever again in my life. It is funny because like. Put up my cock ad right now. My ball cell ad. Oh my God. The movie at least goes with that for the rest of it because he's never horny again. No. Like for the rest of the movie, it really does seem like he's never thinking about sex.

There's a more logical version of this movie where in the first 10 minutes we see like three examples of his sex obsession getting to him rather than this one thing that just feels like you still feel kind of jilted by El McPherson specific it's too specific he should be going on dates and right being weird with women I gotta date an ugly lady like it's just it's like 0 to 60 in 2 seconds

wait what's that movie with Josh Hartnett where he flies over the boobs 40 days and 40 nights that is like what this movie reminded me of immediately I was like's that movie with Josh Hartnett where he flies over the boobs? 40 Days and 40 Nights. That's what this movie, that is like what this movie reminded me of immediately. I was like, but that movie takes the premise so much. Everything reminds you of that movie. I love that movie. Just to speak. When you're in a plane, you fly over DVD copies of 40 Days and 40 Nights.

You just see the poster. I'm like, whoa. Can we dig into Jeff Bridges? Yes, just speak on Bridges. Because he was asking about him. And I was trying to sort of like, because he's had so many phases in his career. Right.

And this is- Bridges has many phases. Right. And this is the last film before The Big Lebowski. Which is our generation's Jeff Bridges. That's who I think of. You sort of forget how much the Coens had unlocked something no one had with him in that movie.

Now you're kind of like, yeah, of course Jeff Bridges is the dude. Like, that's what we know him as. Not only that, but one of those weird cases I'd argue similar to Morgan Freeman winning the Oscar for Million Dollar Baby, where his true grit, not true grit, I'm sorry, his crazy heart win is kind of them going like, and here's

the Oscar 20 years later for Big Lebowski. It took us 20 years to totally get this, and then off of the oscar when it's like he has the second billy goat gruff film career playing yeah but we met but our generation did not see him as i'm sorry i'm not the person i'm not the person for you to say that too he earned every bit of that award for crazy art so true I should mention, Bobby is wearing an Oscars hat right now. Oh, he got it at the Academy Museum. I got it at the Academy Museum in LA.

I wore it before I wear it all the time. Have you guys been there yet? No, I haven't. The only good part of the Academy Museum, this hat. I know. You like it. You're not a fan. Oh, my God.

Speaking of Barbara. Oh, we didn't get to go to the Barbra Streisand Bridge. We go to the Academy Museum so we can see the Barbra Streisand Memorial. It's not memorial. She's not dead. Bridge. Which is just a bridge that goes from the museum to the theater and guess what it's fucking close can i swear

they had closed it for a private event there was a tugboat coming through there to lift it i have never been angrier all i wanted was a picture of me in front of this stupid bridge yeah you got to pay 50 bucks to get in this museum which we did not pay we got tickets for free it's fine it's got a big sign words when you walk into the first exhibit at the motion picture museum and the academy museum are i believe this is a direct quote motion pictures comma also known as movies and films and i was like i gotta get out of here where's the gift shop yeah it wasn't for us, but Bobby got this great hat, which is... It's a great hat. Y'all got any hats? Yeah, I love it. Bridges.

Bridges. Sorry, sorry. Bridges. No, it's fine. What do you want to say? Jeff Bridges. Oh, yes, yes. Because I can give you the phases,

but if you just want to say, if you have a bridge mission statement, I will... No, let's maybe do the phases first. So, like, early Bridges is, like, the young, sort of exciting, like, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot,

Last Picture Show. Fat City. Well, Tron I'd say is beginning of phase two. Yeah. King Kong is maybe the height of it where it's sort of like at that point they're like, okay, this guy's a movie star, but he's young and he's virile and he's kind of like, you know, he's what's new, right? And he had this sort of like glib kind of.

Two Oscar noms. Yeah. Yeah. Handsome doofus with a good heart kind of, yeah I guess Heaven's Gate is sort of the, I don't know Heaven's Gate's kind of straddling the next period Because it's so poorly received His 80s are weird

Tron, Starman, Jagged Edge 8 Million Ways to Die, I'm trying to think It's a lot of, like, thrillers. Yes. Tucker. Yeah, which he's great. What's Tucker? He's really good.

Tucker Man in His Dreams, the Coppola film. Coppola movie about the inventor, Preston Tucker. It's a good movie. Wonderful film. But it's one of those many... Like, he does a lot of big movies that don't connect. Box office ones. When does he get sexy?

When is he... When doesn't he get sexy? When does he get sexy? Against all odds is maybe the most handsome he ever was in a movie. He's very handsome in Against All Odds. He's always handsome. He's always handsome. But is this the sexiest that he, is this? I think 80s is peak sexy.

If we're not talking handsome, we're talking sexy. I think his sexiest is when my mom thinks he's sexiest in her second favorite film of all time, The Fabulous Baker Boys, which is Straddling Periods 2 and 3. Oh, I love that movie. Incredible movie. Have you seen? Yes.

Have you tickled the ivories? Of course I have. Where he's sort of moving into slightly more mature, you know, 40-something Bridges. He's playing sad, haunted, drunk in that. But he's hot as hell. I think that's peak handsome. I think 90s are his handsome decade. I think 80s are his hunk decade.

Okay. I think 70s are his cute decade. Yeah, he's very cute. I mean, I would argue Babs finds him handsome more than sexy in this movie, too. And I think that speaks to what I was saying earlier. Like, the movie isn't quite convinced that you know that this guy is really handsome.

And that's why it establishes him as, like, extremely handsome at the beginning. Because it's, like, a little nervous about it. Yeah. His 90s are Fisher King, vanishing. Like, a lot of sort of dark sort of thriller. Fearless, blown away, white squall. Yes. Oh, handsome.

Very handsome. Handsome. Everyone in that. The potty parade. Arlington Road. Sausage fest. Handsome. Oh, my God. Arlington Road. I cut the Arlington Road bit from the podcast. wall yes oh handsome very handsome everyone in that the potty parade arlington road sausage handsome i cut the arlington road oh you cut the arlington road earlier sorry can we can we put it in here yeah bobby goes what's the bit can you replicate it wasn't even a bit i was just talking about arlington road but why i don't it was about something about conspiracy theories yeah we were

talking about conspiracy theories and you said arlington road is a great movie and then that and i said what's it about it taught america the wrong lessons which is that you're right you're right you're right we can't have those impulses movies anymore did arlington road launch q is the question you know what put put it on somewhere on the pork board it did not launch q it did not it did it not um but he's a but he's also a professor in that it's like that professorial handsomeness is what he kind of leaned into in this era. Well, I find it interesting. The muse, he's in that. In the 70s, he is like such a boy, right?

Like in his 20s and teens, he's playing like boyish young America. Yeah. And then in the 90s, it's like this is the ultimate man. Not like the ultimate man's man, but you're like, this is an adult man. There's a Kurt Russell sort of arc to him, too. You know, like, very childlike and cutie innocent. And then, like, scary action hunk. And then just sort of a gruff, handsome man that all the hot ladies want to fuck.

And they also, they both had this thing. They both make movies people like that don't do well. That's what I was going to say. It's this fascinating thing where they're both like basically former child stars who have decades long careers where they age perfectly and everyone loves them. Their Q score is always high. Right. Not Q or not. And like 10 years later, all of their movies are beloved.

But you look at their box office runs and they're like never actually bankable. But in an era where enough mid to low budget movies get made at a studio level and there are only so many Harrison Fords, it's like, yeah, it makes sense to put Jeff Bridges in Jagged Edge. It makes sense to put him in this. It makes sense to put him in like everything. Wait, can I read you guys this? So she brings him on and why she likes him so much is because she goes to hang out with

his family and she loves Bab Babs loves his family. She loves his mom. And she says, as soon as I heard Jeff talk about his mother, I knew he would be easy to direct. And this is in parentheses. If you're going out with a man on a date, your first question should be,

what was your relationship with your mother like? So that's what I love. So she's calling him a mama's boy. She's calling him a mama's boy. She says, I can manipulate him if I act basically as his mother, kind of as the director, but then kind of like as his girl. Like she's already like, I'm going to have the dual role of being his lover and his mother on the set of this movie, which you've got to love that. It also kind of translates to the movie a little. Yeah.

Because he kind of has to grow up. Yes. I have a bigger Bridges thought I want to unpack. But first, I just want to throw a general question to the table that hit me while watching this movie. Why isn't the Academy Bridge the Jeff Bridges Bridge? That's what it should be. Multiple floors. Is that another one?

Barbara gave them so much money. I bet. You could pony up the money, too. What if it was the Jeff Bridge directed by Barbara Streisand? She'd like that, too. She's never been to the bridge 100 and in the promotion for the bridge there is a photoshopped photo of her sitting on a director's chair i saw this badly photoshopped it's horrible it defies the laws of physics incredible anyways

so she knows she's a director and she would like you to know it too here's my question jeff bridges and this is an earnest question JB the best career length okay hair in the history of movies oh yeah for sure is there a star

who has had no bad hair period I was doing a thorough Google search and I was like is there a single movie where his hair

looks Jude Law Jude Law's really close no but Jude Law recently has been something's going on. God bless.

Have you seen? Bradley Cooper's too young. But by the time Bradley Cooper's 85, we'll be having this conversation again. Cooper can grow some locks on it. There's no doubt about it. Bridges has great hair. I will say with the expanse. You're not just like great head of hair.

You're like magical. Yeah, it's beautiful. It takes on shapes that you cannot believe. The color is beautiful. When he grays, it still looks great. And you're like, it looks good long. It looks good short. Even in Crazy Heart, my beloved Crazy Heart, as you know, it's like, it's sort of sloppy.

But it's still beautiful. Like, it's luscious. He shaved it in Iron Man. Risky. Looks great. He looks great. And the beard looks great. He grew right back.

He grew right back. God, it comes back. Box of scraps. That was the other thing. You're like, what a great head of He grew right back. God, it comes back. Box of scraps. That was the other thing. You're like, what a great head of hair this guy has. Shaves it all off. Perfectly shaped dome. Yeah, right.

Kurt Russell, good hair, but he doesn't quite style it in as elegant of a way. No. He usually has sort of the same haircut. He's got good hair. He's, honestly, that's a reason to compare them, actually. They both have really good hair. I'm talking both levels, though. Like, innate genetics and also just, has it ever looked bad on screen has there ever been a

and also this is you know hair loss technology has come very far in the past 10 years sure and so this was all before that too so we're they're working with genetics and that you have to be amazed by he also he remains my favorite movie president that movie the contender is not a very good movie yeah but the whole movie anytime have you seen the contender yeah anytime it comes to him he's ordering a sandwich from the white house chef yes and he's like you're just like this is like the sort of bill clinton we want like you know like the guy who's just like hey let's get a sandwich you know like that's what obama has also said it's his favorite movie present now this is part of my jeff bridges take on this yeah obama always says that's his favorite

movie president on me um jeff bridges is kind of fundamentally wrong for this movie yes in that he is he's a good actor he's a great actor i think and i don't think he gives a bad performance in this movie he's an example of a guy where I'm like he's almost incapable of giving a bad performance. He is such a consummate pro. It's not a lazy performance. But he can give a performance like this that is good, that actually works against

the film, where it's not even just physical appearance aside. Right? He is too innately charismatic, compelling, and has chemistry with everyone he's ever on screen with to make the basic setup of this movie work, which is this guy is sort of boring, head in the clouds. He would not be a bad teacher in the way that this guy would. He's got some animal magnetism on a purely sexual way, but he can't. His head's all over the place.

He's not connecting with his students. He can't pin a woman down to him where I'm just like, why would Elle Macpherson leave him? Well, there's no way that, that it doesn't, you're right. It doesn't work that he's, all the women are in the class are like, he's so hot, but he's a bad teacher and not charismatic. That doesn't make sense. It would have like, they put that in there obviously to have the baseball thing make sense. And she's, and, no. Which fails, to be clear. And she's, you know, she's the queen of the... She's not hot, but she's an amazing teacher. Like, wow.

She just, right. She's teaching him, and that's kind of why he loves her so much and whatever. It's why he's impressed with her. She always sells out her sets when she teaches. Yeah, they're clamoring for more. What does she teach? Literature. She seems to teach medieval literature.

Like almost because she's talking about Jungian archetypes and princesses in castles and forever the bridesmaid and her boobs at one point. She talks about her boobs. I got boobs.

You never seen boobs before? I give her a standing ovation for that delivery. I think what you were saying about maybe it doesn't have anything to do with his physical appearance, but I think it kind of does. I think you're right. You were talking about the difference between sexy Jeff Bridges

and handsome Jeff Bridges, and I think it needed to be a sexier guy. Like, almost a scummier guy. Here's a hot pitch. Thank you. Lindsay, this is my pitch. Does this movie work better? I'm not saying it solves everything. No, it's obviously the same year as Goldeneye, correct? Pierce Brosnan as the main guy.

It's the year between Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies. Right, okay. So he's pretty famous at this point. Yes, right. And Babs thinks she can't get him. You make him the Mrs. Doubtfire character. She puts his name in and they say, she goes, I couldn't get him.

I want a him type. And they go, well, you should ask him. And he said yes. Because she's Barbara. Like it's, you watch this and you go, this must be in his Mrs. Doubtfire period before he's Bond. And you're like, no, she got him in between bonds because she's Barbara. Yeah. The other movie he does in 1996 is Mars Attacks, where I would argue he's playing the type that Jeff Bridges character is trying to be. Yeah. Where he's got this crush on Sarah Jessica Parker. And it's like, here's this incredibly handsome scientist who, like, doesn't know how to relate to other human beings. I think if this movie has those two parts flipped, where Bridges is playing the Brosnan and Brosnan is playing the Bridges, the dynamics kind of work better. Because also, Mimi Rogers needs to be a little jealous of what Barbara ends up getting.

Yes. And it doesn't make sense. No. Yes. And it doesn't make sense. No. Also, in a perfect world, at the end, they don't end up together, which I know goes against

Babs' entire thing, but she should be like, F you, bye. I'm like, she's a kind of, she doesn't want to deal with him anymore. You know what the problem is?

What she does with Pierce Brosnan, it should have been that is the end of the movie. Pierce isn't Barbara's type. Jet Bridges, you put Jet Bridges and James Brolin next to each other

and you get it. That's true. Pierce wouldn't have's type. Jet Bridges, you put Jet Bridges and James Brolin next to each other and you get it. Totally. That's true. Pierce wouldn't have brought her home to his family and all that. But for her, for this movie, maybe she needs to not cast her type. You know? No, I think it would have been a better... I love Pierce, but Pierce is capable of successfully

being boring on screen when he wants to be. Right. I mean, look at James Brolin and Jeff, we're talking the same guy. Brolin can be boring. Bridges cannot be boring. Bridges has never been boring on screen. You're right.

Yeah, he's not a lazy actor, like I said. Yeah. And once again, he has chemistry with everyone. He is always connected to whoever he's talking to. He had chemistry with Arlington Road. The fucking road. The road. The gravel.

The road was going, whew. No, but he like, he cannot seem disinteresting and disinterested. Right. I guess so. He makes sense to me in this movie

in that I'm like, this man is insane. And Jeff Bridges can play an insane person. He can. And he's funny. So he pulls that off. And he's kind of funny.

Right, because he's like delusional. He's like really smart, really, really, really, really, really book smart and then kind of delusional and too horny, I guess. I believe him as a professor, though, and I don't believe Barbara as a mathematical equation for how men and women can interact and cohabitate, right? But then in his attitude, he's much more like a Jordan Peterson type. Right.

Where he's just like, and the roles we should be playing. Yeah. You know? And you're like, it's not this guy who's just like, well, I figured it out. Who else could there be? All right. Ed Harris. Wow.

I've been thinking Ed Harris. Ever since you said Pierce, I was like, who else could it be? He does have vol cell energy. Like, how often does Ed Harris fuck? On screen. Off screen, I cannot comment. On screen, not that often. Not that often, no.

Like, usually he's not his part. His sexiest, I would say, the sexiest he's been is, like, stepmom. Oh, he's sexy enough. How often on screen has Ed Harris almost drowned to death at the bottom of the ocean and texted, love you, wife? I think that was just the once. It's just the once.

I think it was just the once. But like, the original breakup text. Like, Ed Harris doesn't show up in a movie and you're like, uh-oh, like, here's a real romantic rival. You're like, oh no, this is a paid killer, usually, or something like that. And I think the thing about the guy not being Barbara's type, of course, Barbara is going to cast based on her own libido. But if you're actually thinking about what the movie demands, part of it is that they don't meet organically.

He has to be, like, attractive enough that she's intrigued intrigued but also it's not like they found each other in any normal way it all happens backwards so part of it has to be like she comes to fall for him versus so it should be against type it should be a little against i agree but you're right it's like he should either the movie doesn't know whether he's like too hot to be like he's too smart to be hot or too hot to be like the the movie isn't clear what he is good at and what he is bad or something and the movie isn't clear in a way that a movie made now would be where if their agreement is that they don't fuck while they're married they would also discuss how they fuck extramaritally right so it's like we would just be an open relationship is fucking someone

else all the time right we don't get a sense of that at all because because he can't fuck without losing his mind and that's why they put that in there because if they were an open relationship or whatever it was he would be losing his mind elsewhere and that wouldn't be that would be against what the whole point of this is rooting for that is he selling it i wanted them to be in act three like let's fuck other people right remain. Remain in our sort of, like, you know, non-sex marriage. Barbara would never. She would, she does not understand.

No, but for 96, that would be, you'd be like, this is crazy. This is a Hollywood movie. But for 96, does this movie think that this character is Ross Geller? Is that who they think they're putting on screen? Right? Where it's like,

he sometimes, somehow, accidentally stumbles into relationships with mega babes with mega babes right this guy is a total social incompetent who's like so caught up in his own shit and his studies and all of that but like yeah when you get to the scene where he's like look my students hate me i need to learn how to like grab their attention yeah they don't they don't hate you they're all horny for you and i had never even considered that he wasn't a good teacher because i'm watching him rapped and i hate math yeah yeah well and it looks like that the class is like

vaguely engaged yeah because when he has that conversation with her like how do you do it it's like the only difference is that she's breaking the fire code by having that many people in her auditorium one And they're stomping. One guy yawns. Remember when he yawns? And that's when he said, you guys see the game last night? And then, oh, God. They love it.

Oh, they learn math. All of a sudden, they learn math. Could a fastball, a sinking fastball really sink? When he's flipping through the sexy ladies or the not sexy ladies while they're taking a test, I was like, save it for the lounge or something. Why is he doing this? That's so weird.

Like, just right on the table. That was so weird. Right on the table. There's the scene in Last Picture Show, which he's so fucking good in, obviously. His, like, first real movie where he and Sybil Shepard sleep together for the first time. And they walk out of the motel and all their friends are parked in the parking lot applauding them. And he's doing his little, like, strut. And she hits him and she just goes like, oh, stop it.

You weren't good anyway. That part rocks. And he looks oblivious and i'm like this movie at the beginning tries to set him up as the mid-40s version of that same guy who's just like i don't know i just kind of keep i don't know how i got here he's definitely not good in bed like this but this guy is not she says he is no she says elle mcpherson but maybe she has no. She says the only two things we ever had in common were sex and that we both idolized me. Which is a funny line. It is. She looks great. I mean, like, you know, shout out to Elle.

It's a funny little scene. It's a funny little scene in movies. Yeah. She's in Sirens, Batman and Robin. Yes. Fedge. And she pops back into Love Actually for one scene. That's right.

She's on Friends For a couple Whose girlfriend does she play? Joey's maybe Yeah that sounds right Wasn't she Ross' girlfriend? Was that another example of Ross getting babes? Should this have been Schwimmer?

She's Joey's girl roommate And then they hook up Yeah you can't hook up with your girl roommate Remember Joey needs a roommate And he gets a girl roommate. Okay. And then they hook up. Yeah, you can't hook up with your girl roommate. Right. You learn that on Friends. Remember, Joey needs a roommate and he gets a girl roommate. And it's illegal. And it's a person.

Right, right, right, right, right. Let's talk about the plot a little more directly. Okay. Rose Morgan, English professor at Columbia University. Yeah, she's like cheap trick at Budokan anytime she talks about fucking King Arthur or whatever. I need to recreate her first fit where she's like cheap trick at Buddha can anytime she talks about fucking King Arthur or whatever. I need to recreate her first fit where she's teaching, where she's wearing like black beret hat thing, suspenders maybe. It's so cute.

I'm kind of like wearing high black pants. By the way, the outfit you have right on is perfect. Thank you so much. I just got this sweater. Yeah, I mean, I loved her look. I think she's so confident, too. Like that's where she's like sexiest Yeah when she's supposed to be dowdy

Well they're like oh her hair it's brown It's awful No makeup I guess How is she schlubby I don't even know She's not she's got glasses I don't know her hair They dress her like Yentl I was kind of astounded that the movie didn't even commit To have her wear glasses until

the final act. And also, Bobby, you pointed this out. We knew what she looked like at her best at this point. So I knew what Barbra Streisand looked like as a sexy woman. So I guess I knew that. The sexy reveal is really funny. It's really funny, but I've seen that woman before. That's not like a zhuzhed up woman that's just what barbara looks like normally and her no i think the one scene where they kind of get it right is the scene where she has um bakal uh she reluctantly lets her make her over for the first bridges date and she shows up post cab ride oh with the piece of hair right like the the failed version of the glow up yes works visually and the rest

of the movie you're like she looks like barbara but the thing is even in the failed version of glow up once she takes the the weird hair out of her hair sure the extra hair that bacal added she basically looks great right sorry what you did say is when you see her made over you're like oh now i see how schlubby she was before now she sexy. I've never seen a sexier woman in my life. You can see her body. The sexy reveal is hilarious because it comes right after the workout montage where you are so annoyed.

You're like, I cannot believe the movie is doing this. She's eating a carrot on a treadmill. I hate that they're doing it. And then you see her and it's like, va-va-va-voom, like, this sexy lady's here and I love her hair like this. Her hair looks amazing. And they do her makeup.

But it's also the same body. Yeah, it is the same exact body. Right, but they hid it under all that weird yentl clothing they gave her. She's wearing less sweaters, I guess. And he's like, what'd you do to your hair?

And she's like, I lightened it or something. Lightened it. Yeah, it's blonder, maybe. Slightly blonder. It's a little crimped. Oh, yeah, she has little curls. Okay, so she lives at the, what looks like the Frick Collection It's blonder, maybe. Slightly blonder. It's a little crimped. Oh, yeah. She has little curls. Okay.

So she lives at the, what looks like the Frick Collection with her mom, Lauren Bacall. With her mom, Lauren Bacall, who, when I was watching it, I was like, this is the long-lost twin sister of Lauren Bacall in birth. It's like one became the rich, uppery side, you know, one became like the kind of more, I don't know, middle class mother who's a little less confident, whatever. There's the third Bacall who's sweeping the soundstage in Dogville. Yeah. Inside all of us are three Bacalls.

At the armory. In ego and super ego. It would be funny. And then there's the fourth Bacall, the real Bacall, who gets punched by Christopher in The Sopranos. Who punches her in The Sopranos? Oh, my God.

Oh, is it Christopher at the hotel parking lot? It is, right? It's Lauren Bacall. It's Christopher. Remember that in the late season Sopranos where they, my God. Oh, is it Christopher at the hotel parking lot? It is, right? It's Lauren Bacall. It's Christopher. Remember that in the late season Sopranos where they were like, there's an episode where Lauren Bacall gets punched. And you're like, The Sopranos, the one about the mobsters, not whatever you're talking about.

Christopher has darkness. That would not surprise me towards the end. And just to pause for a second. Sure. I think for any of our younger listeners, it is important to understand that this movie is like biggest cultural legacy is that it comes out. It's kind of savaged by critics and everyone's like, but here's Lauren Bacall's Oscar. And she has this runway to like, we're all going to give her the Lifetime Achievement Award Oscar.

She's going to get a standing ovation. It's going to be emotional. It's her first nomination. Here she is, Grand Dame of Old Hollywood. And she wins every precursor and then loses the Oscar and this movie's forgotten. And she kind of deserved the Oscar.

I disagree. Who gets it instead? So, Julia Pinoche wins for The English Patient, which is an excellent performance from one of our great actors. The narrative that year was Julia Pinoche should win

and what a shame she's gonna lose to Lauren Bacall because of sentimentality. And then it was a case of like, holy shit, the person we all secretly wanted to win won. Okay. And Lauren Bacall dies without an Oscar. Doesn't she get some sort of like...

She gets a special honorary Oscar later, which don't really count, but... She got a lifetime achievement surfboard from the Teen Choice Awards. So Bacall won... She got a golden blimp. Bacall won the Globe. Uh-huh.

And won SAG. Yeah, she won most of the precursors. Obviously, she didn't... I don't think she won, like, a lot of critics awards. I saw at least one or two she won. She lost the Satellite Award for Best Supporting Actress in a Comedy. And I was like,

the satellite who gives a shit and also split into 15 categories, what could have beaten her? And I thought it was interesting that this was the same year debbie reynolds and mother oh yeah who then doesn't even get nominated but was the same kind of narrative right like similar similar i love juliette binoche the actor she's great i love her yes the actor she's one of the best and she is good in the English patient. But that is not even one of her

ten best performances. How many of those performances have come after that one? Many. Although she'd already done three quarters. I'm kind of thinking about what is the butterfly effect here. It's like, oh, she would have won an Oscar eventually. It's like, but what would her career have done had she not won an Oscar?

Totally right. It's also rare that somebody is nominated in their back half for a lifetime achievement situation where they actually put in a good performance in a movie that is otherwise not as good. Like, English Patient's a better movie than Mirror Has Two Faces. Yes.

But somehow, Lauren Bacall turns out this kind of incredible thing. Bacall's kind of awesome in this movie. Yeah. I don't disagree. She gives this movie something it really would not not have without her i thought the first time i you know i'll be like oh yeah because fine she comes in and she says like i was married to humphrey bogart everyone's like oh she should win an oscar you know like she's like really important

she makes sense as a as a upper east side jewish mom like and i'm like i don't know that i would have thought the call would make sense for that. She grounds the movie. She's the realist, I think, warmest part of this movie. We all know the thing that Barbara did on set, right? Well, Babs is never going to let you forget that she pulled that out of her. She tricked her. She's a good actress, but I pulled that out of her.

She's on the rehearsals. Because Bacall wouldn't get that vulnerable. And she'd go, okay, let's just... Let's just chat. Me and you, let's just chat. Yeah chat. Me and you. Let's just chat. Yeah. Out Humphrey. There's the one close-up. Yeah, it's fucking phenomenal. It's amazing. It's a star. It's a goose bump. It's amazing. I loved it. I watched it.

I watched it again before reading the chapter. And I did pick up on the toothpick scene. Because I was like, it's kind of weird that Lauren Bacall's just casually using a toothpick in this scene. And in the chapter, Babs is like, keep the toothpick. Don't take the in the chapter, Babs is like, keep the toothpick. Don't take the toothpick out of your mouth. Obviously, Jenna Rollins apparently was the first choice and was busy, I think, doing Unhook the Stars.

Sure. Which was sort of her son's movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She got a SAG nomination for that. Is it insane to say that I think Jenna would have won if she'd gotten this part? I think it's insane, yeah. Okay. Because this movie was despised.

That's true. So I think that's the only reason Bacall's in there is just the guilt of like, we never even nominated her. Like, what is the matter with us? Yeah. Like, she has like two Tonys.

Yeah. Yeah, she's a living legend. And she was married to Humphrey Bogart. She doesn't see the movie. No, I've heard about it. She doesn't see it. The hate for this movie is just so, because I know that we're like

not even done talking about the plot, but like, yeah, it's crazy about it. She doesn't see it. The hate for this movie is just so, because I know that we're like not even done talking about the plot, but like, yeah, it's crazy and it's insane, but it's such a nice movie to just spend time with. It is. All of its weird parts make a great whole. That's what I'm, as we're talking. It's so out of place in the mid-90s. Like we're picking it apart,

but when you watch it, you're like, this rules. What's wrong with this? It is astonishing to read the reviews. We cannot overstate. People are not happy. They attacked us like it was quantamania it truly it's barbara it's because it's barbara no but in much the same way that like quantamania or eternals it's like we've been living under this fucking more right it was like all the everyone who had any problem against barbara streisand at any point her 30-year dominance up until that point was like open season they finally said we sat through yentl we did all this stuff and now you've made a movie that we can say is we're saying it's bad right it's bad

yes um so uh lauren recall um mimi rogers also we should shout out uh streisand says she wanted a tall attractive woman as a contrast to her character. Who had once been married to Tom Cruise. To Tom Cruise. I can't, I can't, I wish I could unknow that. I'm sorry, that's like the only thing I know about Mimi Rogers. Mimi Rogers and Lauren Bacall share the American women who I always think are secretly British. But in fact, both are secretly Jewish. Right.

Now, of course, Mimi Rogers later was a Scientologist, but she has a Jewish parent. Well, you know. Yes. Being married to Tom Cruise doesn't come without its effects. Mimi's British and Austin Powers. Well, I think that's part of it. A movie you've seen one billion times. One billion times. But I think they also have, I mean, Laura Bacall is part of the old Hollywood system thing. But it's like speaking English with a very pronounced sort of like transatlantic, mid-Atlantic.

Yeah. Dudley Moore was actually the first choice of the george siegel role perfect that sounds nice but he was ill i guess three scenes fun to see him though passes away pretty shortly yeah yeah but but siegel right he's just bouncing in from the just shoot me set or whatever he's great he's great he was great on just shoot me i think he doesn't get his roses enough because i just lost him i think barbara's trying to make a point he must have been fucking old yeah he was he was on the goldbergs until the fucking end oh my god god yeah wow i think bar was trying to make a point about a little bit like like guys who are not as attractive also can just land any girl or whatever absolutely and i think with seagull though i do think he's

attractive she makes that point george seag Siegel was a romantic leading man in the 70s. Hey, young Siegel. As was her ex-husband, Elliot Gould. And neither of them got the same kind of cocked eyebrow that she did, presenting herself as a romantic leading man. And she, I think, is very obsessed with that fact. And she wants to make it. And she makes it without having to really make it. She makes it.

In the 1970s, those two guys, unconventional, hyper-Jewish, became leading men and sex symbols. For a bit. At the same time

that the class of actors who were referred to as looking like your butcher of like De Niro and Pacino, you know, Hoffman falls into the He's in both. the seagull gold category.

Yeah. Gold category. Yeah. But it's just like, right, they never stop litigating Barbara's thing in a way that these guys, it's like, whoa, what can we say? They got the riz. We can't fight this. Strike Sandy's also

the thing where she's like, ah, they never fucking got off my back. And I'm like, you're right. But then also, I'm like, but you have had unparalleled success for 60 years, Barbara. And she back-talk hot guys the entire time. Yeah, she did. Both sides.

That's correct. As Howard would love her, reminding her, she's always dating hot guys. Yes, yes. Bobby, go on. Well, I'm repeating something I said earlier, but that's, I think, that's that turn in that scene with Lauren Bacall at the end. She's confident. She reveals herself as confident. She's like, fuck this, I am beautiful and I always have been.

Like, she doesn't play the woe is me version of that character throughout the whole thing. And I think without that, the movie is a little bit worse. She's obsessed with the critics, but she doesn't actually

believe what they say. I think the thing about Barbara is that she knows what she's right, she knows that she's good, and she knows that she's beautiful, but she does read it all and wants to remind you

that they thought that she wasn't right or beautiful. There's a reason the Streisand effect is named after her. Which she does read it all and wants to remind you that they thought that she wasn't right or beautiful. There's a reason the Streisand effect is named after her. Which she does talk about in the book, and it's hilarious because she has no freaking idea why it's funny or relevant. She goes, I wasn't even, nah. She just totally negates it. It's like, no, you don't get it.

But it's a weird case of you read all those reviews and they're like, Barbara, why won't you fucking get over it? And it's like you're doing the thing that makes this in her head constantly. Like, both sides are right. Barbara, you are so successful that you still shouldn't be obsessed over this. But also, no one will stop talking

about things through this prison. Exactly. Around her. And like, critics, shut the fuck up. It's funny that on their wedding night,

they watch Lawrence of Arabia. Funny. Hilarious. That is funny. Because it's long. And she's the only, and Jeff Bridges falls asleep. And she watches the whole thing. That's the funny thing. Credits are rolling. Two cassettes. Yeah. I thinkious. That is funny. Because it's long. And she's the only... And Jeff Bridges falls asleep. And she watches the whole thing. Credits are rolling.

Two cassettes. Yeah. I think you see it in the... It's two cassettes. Okay. So someone had to get up and change the cassette? Yeah, she did it. You know Barbara's a real filmmaker, too. That she cuts to them watching the credits for the restoration. Yeah. And V. Code is getting a special thanks or something. Editorial consultant.

Yeah. Robert A. Harris supervising. The music's going. Those cassettes were from her own collection. Those are so her. Do you know who would have given Lauren Bacall the Oscar had she won? Who? Kevin Spacey. Oh, Kevin.

I'm watching the clip right now. Oh, boy. So maybe she dodged a bullet. Maybe she dodged a bullet. He's there in a black tux. Oh, boy. I'm watching it just to see what's the call for the nominees. And Babs goes to the Oscars and she meets Jim.

Does she meet him at this ceremony? Oh, that's the end of the chapter. The end of the chapter. She goes, I never go to the Oscars. It's such a to-do. But you know what? I said, I'm going to go. For Lauren.

Lauren loses. For Betty. For Betty. And Betty loses. Marvin, her beloved gonna go. For Lauren. Lauren loses. For Betty. For Betty. Marvin loses. And Betty loses. Marvin, her beloved Marvin, loses.

Lauren's pissed. Lauren is a class act, by the way. She's so pissed. She's so pissed. Why did I go? She's smiling. But then,

at the end of the night, she meets James. She meets Big Jim. It becomes a rom-com. Like, she walks up to him and says, your son's gonna be Thanos.

She says it to him. Okay, friend of the podcast Richard Lawson I'm not laughing because I'm processing what you just said Yeah, I also heard that slow Binoche, who obviously was dressed like the Dark Lord Dracula If you remember, she's got this amazing red coat

With a huge collar She looks, she is genuinely surprised Like when her name gets read You can tell she's like I can't believe it It's a Cotillard moment where you're just like this isn't supposed to happen yeah what were you gonna say well i was gonna say the the memoir it was speaking of james brolin uh jim i know friend of the podcast richard lawson was like it's funny that barbara streisand has had interactions with

diane so many interactions with diane lane and then i just pulled out the kindle and then controlled up diane lane zero results. Wow. Zero results. No mentions of Diane in the book, which means nothing, but it also means everything. I will say, now that you've invoked the great Richard Lawson, I kept thinking during this movie, he has quoted this on our show,

but you and he having the game of trying to come up with fake James L. Brooks lines and the best one you ever had. But this movie is having the game of trying to come up with fake James L. Brooks lines. Oh, yeah. And the best one you ever had. So many times. But this movie is like such a good, every line feels like it could be,

you're the kind of a person who's the kind of a person. Yes, you're the kind of a person who's the kind of a person. Well, I just love the little like, like eating a salad because you like the salad dressing more. Like that is such a mixture of a Barbara

and also kind of a Jewish. And a Nora Ephron. And a Nora Ephron. Yeah, very classic. But we never see her spooning in her mouth. I wanted to see her actually. I want her to do a full,

like, Melissa McCarthy hit belly dance. The most Nora shit ever is the perfect bite mixed with loving someone because they know your intricacies and how fucking annoying

you are when you go out to dinner and, oh, no pepper for her she wants extra dressing that's the most nora rom-com shit ever well i mean in a in a way you've got mail is like an evolved version of this yes like a better version of this because the idea of platonic for a long time they're meeting as friends there there's no sex at all there it's a meeting of the minds because they just chat yeah just chat online yeah like you've got mail doesn't prove our way to do it but you know what the you know what the perfect bite is lindsey you'll love this what what's the think about

whenever whenever james not james jeff bridges is sort of like i miss the perfect bite i miss the perfect bite or whatever at the end yeah do you know what the perfect bite is no it's beauty and brains oh you're the perfect bite you've got to have a little bit of everything in there it's like you can't just be sexy he doesn't just want dressing oh he wants dress he wants icebergs to the hooligans who the four of them that are listening to this the the beauty and brains is uh brad pitt's not girlfriend who he actually never dated, Mary Oxman, who was a professor

who people thought he dated. They never dated, but she was Beauty and Brains. They couldn't believe that he dated Beauty and Brains. An MIT professor. Yeah, they said Beauty and Brains?

Everything to know about Brad Pitt's friend. But that perfect bite, Beauty and Brains. The perfect bite is the perfect example of like, it's an aspirational

rom-com moment that people are going to remember and love and it just doesn't quite work. is the perfect example of like... It's true. It's an aspirational... We're all seeking the perfect fight. ...rom-com moment that people are going to remember and love, and it just doesn't quite work. Okay, so I'm going to put something out. Here we go. Because I didn't realize that... A fire?

She met Big Jim. Yeah, excuse me. Big Jim at the Oscars. I didn't... The chapter after the chapter about this movie is about Jim. For this movie, right? She met Jim.

And then she never directs another film, and she only acts in three more acts in three more maybe it sounds like she got a life i'm kidding well well i've been saying all of her films bad message certainly her career as a singer an interpreter of the great romantic songbook right and then most of her persona and her movies especially her biggest films and then really drilling down into when she starts directing her own films. And we're lumping Star is Born into this. It's like she is really obsessed with love and whether this is a solvable thing, right? She's trying to do the Jeff Bridges professor calculations in her head, but in emotional terms. She's doing like what actually her character is doing.

It's like, is the fantasy version of it unrealistic? But do we need to desire for something that is a little bit unrealistic? Where is the middle? She sleeps with many great men. She has great love affairs. But there is some like unfulfilled, unresolved part of her. She finally meets Big Jim, who's like the perfect Streisand guy. And then she's like, well, I can chill out.

I'm done. Right. But I also think she really cannot do multiple things at once. I think her energy has to be, she's such a perfectionist. She's such a, everything has to be perfect. And the musha or whatever is that I just don't think she can like be in successful relationship and be successful director and do music. She's not an everyman.

Her and Beatty are very similar. And Beatty always talks about when people are like, why won't you make another movie? He's like, making a movie for me is like vomiting yeah where it's this thing in my system for so long and I really don't want it to come out and once it's out it feels better but like the scariest part is going to the toilet or whatever I'm paraphrasing here a little bit but he does use vomit as the

metaphor and it does feel like the same thing with Barbara where she's like if I'm gonna do this it's gonna like take over my entire body years to write a book you know plead everything from my system I don't commit to anything lightly if she'd taken five 10 years to write like a 45 page book right then I'd be like come on bro it's a long book what's it also what's there in she took all these this time all these years to make these other movies she finally makes a movie in a normal time it takes to make a movie and it's hated hated so she's looking doesn't go into the criticism in that chapter.

So she's looking back and she's saying, you know. Is it worth it? So I guess I need to be either making Yentl every time or never again because I'm not going to deal with it. I'm not going to make this movie again. And it's not a flop. I guess everyone hated it. It was like relatively successful, right? It did okay.

It made its budget back. For a movie for moms. But she never says, they said it was bad and it was great. No, she never goes back. Because she doesn't. No, she doesn't't well it reminded me of i told lindsey this before y'all got here it reminded me of this very funny zane lowe interview she did a couple years ago when she released some one of her silly albums where it's like i'm gonna do duets with dina menzel and daisy ridley oh yeah she did in the world oh man you're right and she releases this album she does an hour long and hathaway she releases an album. She does an hour long.

With Anne Hathaway and Daisy Ridley. She releases. She did an album with Daisy Ridley? Well, not the whole album. It wasn't the whole album. Oh, heaven. They sang Let's Go to the Ballet with Anne and Daisy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Craziest, craziest album possible.

So she's talking to Zane Lowe about it for an hour. And in this interview, I watched the whole thing. I think I watched that like 1.5x. I was like, I got to find her funniest things. And she tells this story. I don't remember how the anecdote is. There you go. Yes, obviously. I don't remember how the anecdote comes about, but she's like,

okay, take this for example. She went to an auction. She sees a painting that she wants. She bids for the painting. She loses. You're assuming it's a very expensive painting, beautiful painting. And her solution to this problem, because she wanted the painting, she didn't win it she says well i have to learn how to paint so i can paint this painting she tells zane low the story she learns how to paint uh-huh gets good at it and then she goes well i don't have to paint anymore like i i think that it's

like that is she perfects it and then she's like she's her own judge she's like i've that it's like, that's her. She perfects it. And then she says, she gets it out of her own judge. She's like, I've decided. It's the vomit metaphor. Once it's out of her system, it's out of her system. And I believe it. I feel like there's a version of a person who says that and doesn't and wants it to be true. But for Barbara, it seems true. And Lindsay, I am similarly fixated on the lazy thing that you keep on bringing up. And I've been bringing up other episodes.

And people are like, that's not true. And she's like, I have. She has said it. and people are like that's not true and she's like she has said it there's one in ten on my scale there's nothing in between when she's working she works really hard

or I can become entirely obsessive and to think about you heard her on Howard when she needs to make money she goes and does a concert when she makes the money from the concert

she says I'll be at home in Malibu in my perfect house with the ball in the basement she's not Jay Leno she's not a workaholic you're like why are you touring? And he's covered in burns.

And I think we're not used to celebrities like that. No, I agree. Celebrities are like fetishizing being overworked and she refuses. She's anti-Mogul culture. It's hard for her to imagine. It's hard to imagine that somebody who's such a perfectionist is not a workaholic, but she is not. No. When she's working, it has to be really good.

But when she's not working, she's not rushing to get back to the office. What's the office? It's not that she's lazy. She's saying, I'd rather be lazy. Yes. She loves her and Jim

are in bed watching a movie. Like, this is her life. She wants to live her life. Sandra watching Josh in Avengers Endgame. They're like, he's doing a good job. Yeah.

She loves, she said, the fan house might have been right. There's something behind the eyes here. Yeah. Just look, when actors talk about like, I'd rather be home, it seems very rare and I'm always charmed by it. Okay. Is there anything about the plot like we need to, you know, okay. So like.

Mimi Rogers is married to Pierce Brosnan. Pierce Brosnan is someone that Barbara's character has always been in love with. She met him first. Right. She met him first, introduced him to Mimi, and regrets it. Mimi's like third marriage or something? Right. Mimi seems to be a serial...

There's some joke with Brenda Vaccaro about why do you introduce the two of them? I didn't think... She was already married. I didn't think she was a threat or whatever. Mimi, kind of low-key, very funny in this. I mean, yeah. You and I are on the same pitch

We're always She's great In the bag for me Pierce, not getting a ton to do It's kind of a can of hairspray in this movie And the idea is that he's sort of like Obsessed with Mimi Rogers too That he's like, oh sweetie what can I do

And she's like, I'm already bored Which is the least attractive thing He doesn't quite work for that. No, she always wants the things she can't have. Right. And the second she has it, I mean, she has that scene where she complains about, like, he's there asking what I want for dinner.

Like, it's the worst thing in the world. But you're introduced to Mimi Rogers for the first time at the wedding, where they're both criticizing Bacall for, you're the bride's mother, not the opening act, right? They're talking all about appearances and Barbara sort of being the ugly duckling of the trio. And they need to be always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

You need to have that in there. They physically introduce her as a bridesmaid and not a bride. But Rogers spends 95% of the wedding with the masseuse. Yep. Like she's already at the ceremony over Pierce. Right. Absolutely. She sees Jeff Bridges,

who has post-Elmick Fierston in a very bizarre phone sex scene. Yes. Jeff Bridges has written the most boring book in the universe. It took him 10 years, much like Barbara. Of course.

Of course. Right. One point when he tries to describe it, I mean, I actually zoned out. Like, it's a movie with numbers. But of course, somehow Barbara knows all the math in the book or something. She knows math. None of his students get it, but Barbara gets it.

Yeah, and Barbara doesn't. She's not a math teacher. She just understands the math. He is actually, to me, a realistic depiction of a math professor teaching undergraduates who, like, usually they don't fucking turn around because they're like, this is some bullshit I have to do. That part is very well observed right like him just like writing formulas on the blackboard and being like anyway you know there you go he's furious after having great sex

with l mcpherson immediately calls up a phone sex operator who's doing cat's cradle yes that's a funny so funny she's funny that lady is drinking a diet she's like don't you want to hear about my tits and he's like no come on like that you know right hear about my tits? And he's like, no, come on! Like that, you know. Right. He's good in that scene. He's complaining about how could anyone find love in a culture that sells us sex,

and she says, why don't you make your own ad? And he does. So he does. In a way that's very, like, the movie skips over, he has that realization, and then the next thing we see is him looking at the resumes in class. In class.

And then him calling Mimi Rogers, who's with the masseuse, who has planted... She sends in Barbara's name. They do that very efficiently. Yeah, it's happening very fast. I'm kind of forgetting when it happened because it just happens in a matter of five minutes. And also the movie... It's one of those things that the movie is very, it never allows itself to be about people like tricking or being dishonest and let that hang over. No, yeah, no one cares. So like everyone's instantly honest about everything, which avoids so many kind of annoying cliches.

Right, because another movie might be like the reveal of her having placed the thing for her cause as such a thing. I thought we met organically. Yeah, we didn't meet her. He tells her and she's like, yeah, I don't care. The thing that is smart and well observed about this movie, it's not about people lying to each other. It's about people lying to themselves, which so many rom-coms are based on lies to each other that get so annoying when they have to unravel.

You've Got Mail has that big lie. You've Got Mail does it well. Right, but that's what... It's the exception to the rule. Right. It somehow does, like, indefensible lies so heartwarmingly. Yes.

Now, here's, I think, the greatest offense of this movie. This movie is so incomprehensibly rude to the Austin Pendleton character. When this film is set up as, ugh, Barbara, undes undesirable no man will even look at her and then basically her introduction is her canceling the date for the 800th time he's the the one she doesn't want to bear just be like this guy is so boring and unexciting i'd

rather watch a baseball game he has his joke about like i'm i'm blacklisted from every restaurant in town because of all the reservations i cancel it's funny it's a good joke he's funny when is he not funny but there's no reason to have this if she's undesirable then why is she even she shouldn't have a guy but it's her saying it's her saying i'm not sexually attracted to this guy that's the thing about this movie like it really does end with them saying, never mind, sex is important and so is physical attraction. Right, right, right.

These two people want to fuck each other. I want to fuck you. She never wanted to fuck that guy, but she was happy that he found someone who wanted to fuck him. Well,

then at the end, when he finds his own girl who has to be, of course, as quote unquote ugly as he is or something. Awesome penultimate in a wig. Yeah, of course.

Basically. A Jack and Jill version of himself. Is that Barbara's way of being like, well, everybody's got to find their equally ugly person. Sure.

Yes. The answer is yes. Yeah. And that's what, this sucks. That sucks. It sucks a little bit. It sucks a little sucky.

It sucks. I sympathize with her not wanting to quote unquote settle. Not that Austin Pendleton is settling. No. Just the more general concept of like, no, it should be someone I love, I sympathize with her not wanting to, quote unquote, settle. Not that Austin Pendleton is settling. Just the more general concept of like, no, it should be someone I love, not someone who's around.

She was not attracted to him, and it's okay. But she also talks generally, this character, not as if I don't want to settle for someone I'm not crazy about. She talks as if no one is lining up to get my attention. And you're like, what about Barry? You're Lauren Bacall. You're like, what about Barry? You're Lauren Bacall. You're like, what about Barry? Right, and she's like, well, he's not a person. Right, right.

And then Lauren Bacall reveals that she settled in life. Yes. And despite, like, her beauty, she settled, and that's her biggest regret, settling. So she doesn't want to... Bridges is a false sell, and Barry is an insult. Correct. Right, okay. Anyway, so they do the ad, they go to dinner,

she has the hair in her head. Bridges is just trying to save power he's so fucking crazy uh they have and pretty i think two minutes into their first date bridges is like do you want to come to like a chamber music performance with me yeah and she eats the salad dressing and says sure immediately having great conversation she's like i know about prime numbers and he's you know bow ties he's like, I know about prime numbers and he's, you know, bow ties, he's like 360. Va-va-va-voom, you know about prime numbers.

Oh my God. And they go to the chamber of music and they walk out of it and he's like, okay, here's my pitch. No sex, committed relationship, intellectual understanding.

This is devastating. And what sucks is that he's like, I went to your lecture and you talked about this and it was great. I had to leave early. I missed the end. Right. And she's like, I went to your lecture and you talked about this and it was great. I had to leave early. I missed the end. Right.

And she's like, I was talking about literary characters. She was like, it's a book, you dumbass. Right. Also, this math guy, it's like, I mean,

there's, everything is wrong with their arrangement that I don't want to say that there's anything right about their arrangement. But like, everything is so particular except we'll have sex sometimes like yeah the crazy thing is if he was gay if this if that let's yeah that then this kind of all

makes sense in a weird way if this was the next best thing arranged yes that was a thing in late 90s rom-coms where it's like, what if you could just marry the gay guy and yeah, you figure it out. Object to my affection, next best thing. Mirror has two faces. No, Jeff Bridges is straight. Too boring to be gay. But scared of sex. He's too boring to be gay.

They get close and develop a true intimate relationship, emotionally intimate. Yeah, they kiss only after he proposes to her? Yes. Or, no, when he proposes, she's like, I haven't even, and he's like, oh! How could I marry someone I haven't even, you know? And then she goes like this.

But they have twin side-by-side beds. Their room is hilarious. They moved in together. Her furniture in one corner, that's clearly from whatever you call the Frick Collection. Later on, she paints the room, but the first shot of that room is like a hospital.

It's giving hospitals. It's Craigslist room for rent. What do they each have, a double or single bed? I think they each have a double. Oh, God. Like, it's giving hospitals. It's Craigslist room for rent. It's so, and what do they each have, a double or single bed? I think it's each have a double, yeah. Oh, God. Like, brutal. Tiny TV, weird Gucci lamps. And her drawers filled with snowballs because she's ugly.

Every bulb is fluorescent. Every bulb is fluorescent. Makes you want to die. Oh, yeah, her drawers filled with snowballs. Oh, my God. It's, no, what were you going to say, David? I was just going to continue the plot, so. Yeah. No, please continue. Well, he's like, okay, so now I'm going to go on a book tour Of Germany where my number ideas

Are catching on For three months they want me to come to Germany for three months People love my number And can I do this And she's like oh I mean to me I'm like Yeah sure we don't have sex anyway I'll do this on the phone But yeah he's going to go off and she's like before you go

maybe you could you know fucking rail me all night one time and he's like i am gonna go in the bathroom and faint excuse me first what he does is spit out his coffee yeah the most gary marshallian moment of the film you almost are surprised he doesn't have a dog with its head around meanwhile he told her that if she wanted to do that she could ask for it and he would do that and she's like is a day enough is if i if i tell you in the morning is that enough time he should have given her like a lease like a landlord was like 14 days notice send the request through the post, you know. Yes. Notarized.

So they have, they try to have sex and in an incredibly upsetting scene, he basically has a panic attack. The most demoralizing thing I've ever seen. And it's weirdly like, for as silly as it is, it's emotionally very hard. It is a heartbreaking scene. Because him then trying to explain himself and she's crying and it's like. Because she cannot believe it. She really can't.

Because her sister was like, any guy, just like show up with your tits out. Like, it's fine. Like, they'll do it. It's no problem. And then it's like, it's the worst thing. And it's also kind of like, it's not. I mean, again, the screenwriter was like, I made a lot of mistakes. But like, it's never quite clear why he doesn't want to fuck her.

Right, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't really make any sense. Within the privacy of their own home. It's like, maybe there's not enough space on the bed, but like, smush them together. Well, they go in between. But this is what I'm saying, like... Maybe a bungee cord or two.

It is absurd. The show almost needs this guy's like, mathematic scientific principles to go further into the modern day YouTuber. I've heard if you don't come for a year, you gain muscles. Yes. Or there's like a,

if he fucks, he like the superpower, he hulks or something. It's a Seinfeld episode. Because it's also like, he's not fucking anyone else and he's relieved. I've been like,

I've surrendered this pesky libido. He's like a kid who won't eat his broccoli now he has a complex about the broccoli yeah and then someone gave him all like gagging it's like you won't eat the broccoli here it's a bunch of bagel bites eat the bagel bites and he's like i don't want the bagel bites either like it's like you can't win with people don't fuck people they find unattractive or like whatever like come on he's mentally ill he's i mean he's so strange right you're calling out the the thing of him leaving her seminar early right where he was like i saw you speaking we agree you said that thing about puccini and then yeah i had to go yeah right i met this girl

she's amazing she also doesn't like emotions right she also doesn't want to fuck so i and then i that's it right so i'm gonna marry her but it's so key that he's like fundamentally misunderstanding what she's putting out which is she's just calling attention to the gulf in reality between how romance is depicted in media in art and what it feels like in real life which he interprets as this is her like striking blows against this false notion of romance that doesn't exist period he misinterprets her entire thesis

which is she's basically doing observational comedy on and of course the music doesn't swell the guy and the girl the guy and the girl and he's like

this music is too manipulative and she loves the music right and she's like you're right this is morally he brings like a what does he bring to the opera

like a little meter so they can watch the music like he's so lame. But the scene where they're watching Brief Encounter and she's crying and he's just like, wait, have you lied to me? You like this shit? And Brief Encounter is like one of the most somber, realistic portrayals. Yes, this is not a Puccini movie.

Of a complicated romantic dynamic. And he seems offended. And sexless. Yes. Yes. Unrequited or unconsummated um one of the best movies ever made a great film yeah a brief encounter that it's it's funny that like movies are two great david lean movies and there's not enough movies in this movie i think like i think it was nora if it was nora well it's like you think about the the the rom-coms of the

early 90s that predated this that were popular. It's like, well, a couple of them. I mean, I'm thinking of Sleepless in Seattle specifically, obviously. But it's like there are so many self-referential things. Like there's so much stuff about the movies and the way romance is depicted on screen. And it's sort of like, why are you doing this kind of again and not improving it? Right. Sleepless in Seattle is a better movie about how rom-coms have scrambled our brains a little bit.

And also a better movie about two people who are completely out of their minds. Yes. Let's also, let's complete the pattern here. What's the third movie in this trilogy? What? Another movie we've covered on this podcast. Don John. Oh, God.

You're really focused on the lack of ejaculation. Yeah, but also the same thing where he's like, this girl, she's obsessed with these fucking rom-coms. I just watch porn like a normal guy. I have my own theory. I must admit, I've never seen Don John. Oh, it's Bobby. It's so good.

Why would I ever watch Don John? You shouldn't. It's so good. They're going to press you on this. It's so good. Why would I ever watch Don? Come on. You shouldn't. It's so good. They're going to press you on this. It's so good. It's so fun. I trust David. I trust David. It's so fun.

I mean, you can watch it just slack-jawed in horror. Isn't Scarlett Johansson just like New Jersey? Isn't that what she is? Don John maybe should have gotten two separate Best Supporting Actress nominations. That's my take to get you to watch it. It's so good. I might just watch Crazy Heart again. i'm up oh wow oh god i hate this music um pour me another glass so he he fails to fuck her she's very upset obviously he starts yelling about like female manipulation and you're like jeff chill get off of reddit she goes back to see lauren bacal bacal is like all right this movie's all

over the place i'm gonna sit together for two minutes she's toby mcguire the front of the train she really does and the real relationship is between mother and daughter is that's the whole that's the whole movie as And as Bobby has said, that is what changes her brain. It's the scene of the movie. It's the whole movie. And then she, Olivia Newton-Johns herself,

turns into the hottest professor that ever did walk these streets. But there's the one close-up shot that we've already invoked where Barbara asks her, what was it like? Being beautiful. Yes.

And you cut to this close-up, this intense close-up on Betty Bacall. Betty Persky? Uh, yeah. Betty. And it makes sense that it's just, this was her rolling on a rehearsal. And you watch, like, 60 years cross her eyes. It is completely metatextual. Right.

It basically breaks the reality of the movie. It's unbelievable. Her heart was littered With 40s headshots Of Lauren Bacall Yeah But it's like the equivalent Of the end of Furious 7

Where Vin Diesel Just starts reciting A poem to Paul Walker And being like He was a real guy And he died Like the moment Is just Bacall

Thinking about her career And it is deeply effective How did it feel Having people look at you With such admiration Looking at yourself In the mirror With such appreciation How did that feel having people look at you with such admiration, looking at yourself in the mirror with such appreciation? How did that feel?

80 second pause. It was wonderful. There's a moment you see her start to go into it and then it feels like she's preparing to say something, say her line, and then she like stops and goes even deeper into it. It's so good. It's just the only reason,

I think she lost the Oscar because people thought negatively about the movie. I agree. And that was what did her in. And obviously people thought positively about The English Patient. I fucking love The English Patient. A film that is barely remembered. Yeah. Like a film that zero Gen Z people have seen.

But let's remember. Like if I said The English Patient on TikTok, there would be like, there's an Englishman in the hospital? Like, what do you mean? You can watch it in 87 parts on TikTok for sure. The plane. Yeah. Miramax releases The English Patient in 87 parts on TikTok for sure. The plane. Miramax releases the English patient

in 87 parts on TikTok. The cultural legacy of that movie at the time, or let's say not the legacy, but the reputation in the moment is the Seinfeld episode. Yeah, it's like it's boring. It's too long. I'd rather watch sack lunch.

I dislike the English patient. Makes her a pariah in society. It's the thing you cannot admit out loud is the bit in the Seinfeld episode. But that episode is about how she's speaking truth to power. Right, they're trying to start to shift the narrative around it.

Within that year, that movie was untouchable. Yeah, no, I mean, people were offering... I remember as a 12-year-old, right? No, 10-year-old in 96, watching those Oscars being like,

why is this boring-ass movie winning everything? My parents took me to the Oscar party. I had not seen any of the nominated films. I said, what's good? It's an English patient. I went down the ballot. My dad went, well, you're going to lose this one

because Bacall's winning supporting actress. I went, why? She's an old lady and she was in a bunch of old movies. Eric Taboki, come on. Whatever. And I was like, you said people like the English patient. I was the only one who got fucking Binoche right. Right.

Because I just went, it's going to win every time. It sounds like it got fines and Christmas got Thomas Trump. It's representative of a long, boring movie when we were kids. Yeah, it was the one. It was the movie that we called long and boring. It was the last Zhivago. Yeah, it was. It was the rare.

And it's great fines with a bandage on going. You know what's right pre-DVD? Two tapes. It's one of the final ubiquitous two tapers. Yeah. That and Titanic. Sound of music. Two tapes. It's one of the final ubiquitous two tapers. Yeah. That and Titanic. Sound of Music. Huge point.

Titanic. Titanic has to be like the last major two. I think English Patient is now like hugely underrated. Like now it's really good. But it's because of the stereotype from when we were kids. It's come all the way back around. We were like, what a snooze. We got to watch this whole thing.

Not every movie is the English Patient. Anthony Minghella now everyone's like oh the man who directed the masterpiece The Talents of Miss Ripley and I'm like that movie rocks too but like you know he won eight fucking Oscars for this other movie and they're like never heard of it I was too busy watching The Mirror Has Been Baked

I just yeah it's funny how it's now underrated and Binoche is probably underrated Ripley was not super well liked when it came out. No, people were like, ah, too weird. Certainly seen as a disappointment after English patient. Yeah. Okay, so she turns into, yeah, Olivia Newton-John, and she's a hottie baby.

My skin is crawling this whole sequence. It's the worst thing. I'm angry this is happening. It's the worst thing I'm angry this is happening When she takes the plate Of tomatoes and celery and carrots And sniffs it lovingly I was like we gotta The worst is when she hangs out

With her best friend and says I couldn't possibly eat a whole hamburger For lunch Brenda Vacara And Brenda Vacara's, you've abandoned me. She kind of becomes an asshole. Brenda Vaccaro's like, correct me if I'm wrong, but Babs, you look exactly the same. You're just dressing differently.

You're just literally wearing tight clothes. The difference is cleavage, right? Basically, that's... Right. Barbara wasn't going to gain weight then lose it for this role. No, like absolutely not. Okay, so then I'm like, all right, we're pulling... Okay, this is crazy, but we're landing the plane on the fifth act.

And then they're like, no, we gotta circle one more time. Pierce Brosnan is now single. Right, of course. Demi has dumped him. Right. So now Rose will consider whether to date Pierce Brosnan,

her original love. This very long makeover montage is intercut, which is happening over months, is intercut with bridges in different foreign countries calling her and getting angry and angry that she's picking up the phone. Various European colleges about his number book. over months is intercut with bridges in different foreign countries calling her and getting angrier and angrier.

And talking to various European colleges about his number book. I guess is that successful? Only in Germany. He's like Hasselhoff. Did the audience's shout out do the primes like it's Freebird? Yeah, right.

You've just spent half of the movie trying to tell us that no one understands this book and then the second half us that no one understands this book. And then the second half, it's like, everyone loves this book and they can't get enough of it. This movie cannot figure out who this guy is. He's big in Europe. That's literally a thing. Isn't he handsome?

Yeah. So does she fuck Pierce? No, she doesn't. No. She just considers. No, which is so fucking annoying. She should fuck him. She gets to the yard line.

She should fuck him. Thank you. They fuck. Yes. And then she's like, yeah, this is a little ludicrous. I'm not going to date him forever. Barbara's to the yard line. She fucks Keanu Reeves. Thank you. They fuck. And then she's like, yeah, this is a little ludicrous. I'm not going to date him forever. Barbara's so schlocky

that she dates Keanu. And this guy's actually kind of insane. She dicks down with him. She's had a crush on him this whole time. Yeah, right. She should have a role

in the game. At that point, you just, you gotta know. And also, it's like she's, you know, Bridges couldn't do it.

Like, come on. She should get with someone. Yeah, absolutely. Instead, he goes to her apartment. He says the wrong thing. And when she's at the quarter yard line. Right, right, right.

Quarter yard line, right? Sure. Quarter yard line. She's into baseball, not football. What's the way you say this? The red zone. He's in the red zone. Yeah, yeah. Sure.

Sure. But yeah, he's on the one yard line. Well, that's what I was looking for. That's what you were looking for. He's rounding third. He's rounding third. It's like they break the yard zone. Yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. But yeah, he's on the one yard line. Well, that's what I was looking for. He's rounding third. It's like they break the yards into quarters. I really don't know anything about that. A bunch of college students suddenly looked up. What are they saying to each other, Baze? And he blows it.

Because he said, I guess I never realized I was always in love with you. Right. He's being mean again He's nagging unintentionally Because I always was attracted to you Save for the pesky business of me Not liking your face or body Or hair I like it more crimped

I was going to say your face which is the same Your body which is the same And your hair which is slightly different So girly got a haircut The thesis of this movie is Stop letting your mom do your hair exactly yes get a fucking haircut get a stylist yeah now is it park avenue you know basically bridges comes back and on this in park avenue cleared of traffic they have a 20-minute conversation about how they do love each other and should get married. Oh, wait, they are married. No, that comes later because first he goes over to her.

She says no. God, yes. He says, I want to break up. This is the moment where it really feels full apatow because it's like... The movie's like two hours and five minutes.

Because she won't let him talk. So he's like... She's sniffing the tomatoes. I've been thinking about this for three months. I'm skinny now and I'm hot and I got a new haircut. I hate that scene.

I hate... Just let him say something. Jesus. Bros has this exact same thing where I'm watching it and I'm hot and I got a new haircut. I hate that scene. I hate it. Just let him say something. Jesus. Bros has this exact same thing where I'm watching it and I'm like, this movie should have gotten so much more praise. And it's the scene where, what's his name? Bros? Oh, yeah.

Billy Eichner. God, I can't believe I already forgot. No, but what's the other guy's name? The Hallmark guy. Luke McFarlane. Yes, Luke McFarlane shows up and is like, I figured it out. I'm sorry. I overreacted.

And Billy Eichner's like, thank you for saying all that. I need another 20 minutes to process. I'm going to go. And the movie does another cul-de-sac. This movie could have been 90 minutes. Totally. And it's the same thing where it's like they have this scene where it's like, you can resolve this in this room. You let this whole thing play out. Let

her get uncomfortable by the fact that he seems more interested now. But like, don't leave this room until this conversation is over. And instead, they both walk off and are like, I need another 30 minutes of screen time to figure this out. To decide whether or not I want to fuck you. Yes. And that's all it is. Yes.

He also becomes nonverbal in this scene. Well, because he's like, hubba hubba, he's horny again. He can't deal with it. And he can't speak. He can't breathe. He's on Siegel's couch rolling around like Giamatti in Lady in the Water at one point. Right? Yeah.

And Siegel's like, go fight for her. I just, I can't remember why they end up. Every girl I've dated, I've given her a copy of Farewell to Arms. She thinks it's a diet book. Wow. I mean, it is crazy because so she. You didn't have to just like shoot me team on that one. Barbara sees Jeff Bridges dance. Wow. I mean, it is crazy because so she just like shoot me team on that. Barbara sees Jeff Bridges dance. Yeah. And she loves how he dances. And so she decides in her

mind that she needs to have him dance in the film because that's what he's so naturally good at. Weird. And so I think she's fixated on having that be the end of the movie. She says she doesn't like dance, but she doesn't know how to get it in the film. So I think that's why we got 20 more minutes. Because then she's like, well, if they end up dancing together, that's what I want. On the street. The other thing about why we get the other 20 minutes is the other scene that's in the book where she says, I didn't know how to end it. And then she goes to the opera and she sees Puccini and she's like, this is how I end it.

Right. But it's like, how do you get them on the street with the man singing Puccini in the window? Well, we need another scene. How do we get to the other scene? We need a couple scenes between it. Wait, I was laughing from your intro because what if it was a guy just doing a podcast

and they're hearing it out their window and they're like, we love this podcast. And then they're just like listening to the podcast about the big dig together. Pow, I just shit my pants it's just echoing out of the window that's real new york but wait the order is she they have this scene in the apartment when he comes back and she rejects him then she goes to pierce where she's sort of like then she goes to pierce and he goes to see right right and then they meet

let's really test them out yeah right and then he wears his beautiful And then they meet on the street. Let's really test them out. Yeah. Right. And then he wears his beautiful coat. Then they have, right. And then he's like, wait, but like you're hot now. So like, I do love you. She goes to drinks with Mimi Rogers to talk about welcome to the world. Oh, right. And Pierce is like, oh, there you are. Hubba hubba.

Mimi Rogers does her own baby version of the Lauren Bacall. You're going to watch your beauty disappear. You become the last woman they look at in the room. Which never happened to Mimi Rogers. Then own baby version of the Lauren Bacall. You're going to watch your beauty disappear. You become the last woman they look at in the room. Which never happened to Mimi Rogers. Then Pierce sees her. Then Pierce tells her that Mimi Rogers left him for the masseuse. Right. Then she turns Pierce down and they meet in the street.

And they kiss and decide to get married. Remember that they already are married. Good line. Yeah, it is. And then the guy is singing Puccini, which is fine. I love it. Lip-syncing Puccini, which is great. So funny.

Oh, yeah, he's lip-syncing it. That's funny. And he orchestrates the moment that she says doesn't happen in real life. And that's what's so absurd. And they're literally like, what? And I think that's a Nora moment because it's like, only in New York. It's a Nora moment, but it's also a fucking John Patrick Shanley moment. True.

She kind of did borrow from a lot of movies in the 80s and early 90s, and she never once references them in the book. And it's like, do not tell me you weren't thinking of Moonstruck. Moonstruck sleeps in Seattle

when Harry met Sally. This is a demented The Fly version. It's like you put all those movies into The Fly transporter, and it comes out with this, and they're like, oh, I guess she can release this. Borrowing from like 10 years of movies that got Oscar nominations and wins were huge hits and critically beloved. And she said she wanted to make an easy movie that people liked.

And so she so that's what she's doing. She's making Frankenstein. And it's an easy movie that I like. It's just it's just ridiculous. Yeah. No, I'm just like Frankenstein's monster. Much like. Yeah. No, totally. I like him. He's one of. Much like Frankenstein's monster. Much like Frankenstein's monster. No, totally.

I like him. He's one of my best friends. He doesn't look normal. There's a great part in the book. So like when we're talking about, because we were like, she doesn't address the critics. So she does. Do you remember this, Bobby? So she says, the reviews came in.

Well, she says the box office was bigger than she'd ever had in her career, which is cool. Roger Ebert liked the movie and understood what I was trying to say. Yes, Roger Ebert's review we have to talk about. It's really positive. So he says it's good. And then she says, but other reviews were less than kind. That hurt. And it was amazing how some people managed to misinterpret the movie.

A magazine editor in New York, she won't name, saw the picture and said, I don't like the message of the movie. It means you have to be beautiful to be loved. She completely missed the whole point. Rose just changed her attitude, not her face. And Gregory actually started falling in love with the old, unglamorous Rose. That frightened him, and that's why he ran away. Now he has come to terms with her new self,

and the irony is that Gregory loves her in spite of the fact that she's prettier now. What? I don't know if I buy that. I think that is 100% what it was meant to be. That was a montage that makes more sense. That's not it. I think it's what the movie is trying to do

and does not do at all. Because the scene where she, where he goes over to their place and sees her for the first time in a while, it feels like that's what he's trying to get out of his system, but he's also so horned up. He's like, I missed you. Right.

You were away. I missed you, but I missed you when we were gone. They never let him verbalize that. And when we try to fuck. They never let him verbalize anything. She's always cutting him off. Her attitude never changes.

It's a lot of numbers. Her attitude is always the same. When they were trying to fuck, the reason why he rejects her is partially because he's like, this is now, it's not how it's supposed to work. Right. And I'm so on one track minded. But also, doesn't he get that weird, horny, confused thing? Yes.

Because I think towards the end, he's like, when they and he and he's kind of like when she goes to the bathroom he's like he like falls or whatever yeah he's getting horny yeah okay so god i didn't even put that together it's a call back to his his oh god yeah if you kind of think about that it's like he's in love with her mind and then he comes around to the rest of her he's the perfect bite it just takes a while to recognize it takes him a while that he realizes oh i actually do like this woman in a 360 wet and all you know all of it you almost need if you're gonna do the makeover you almost need him at the end to say i miss the way you used to look right take all of this off of right straighten your hair again or whatever you had with your hair. It's brown. Make it brown. Yeah.

There's the very Nora line that I think is so funny where he's like, you're so practical and like, you know, and she's like, God, I sound like an airline. I think that's a really funny line.

Yeah. Brian Adams singing over the credits I think is a huge misfire. I know he was hot shit like in this moment. But, like, that song is, it doesn't fit the movie. Song's not good either. I do miss love theme from Blank.

I think that is a thing that should come back. She hummed that, by the way. She wrote that by humming, because she's crazy. She can't write music, so she just hummed it. They said, we'll write this. Yeah, sure. My other favorite line was another Lauren Bacall, I should be dead not having conversations. wrote that down that's great i mean i made my coffee is a really good line and then there's the bit where mimi rogers is like if

you keep behaving this way i'm gonna uh blow your christmas your birth certificate into a christmas card and lauren bacall is like i never should have encouraged you to speak like that shit i'm like this is you know this is juicy and there's enough of that that it kind of makes you lose sight of the fact that the plot is so dumb i feel like it's crazy we're going through this plot and it's like so absurd and we're kind of sounding like it's bad but the the line this movie is written so nicely it's so fun to watch like which was roger it's never an interesting right his major compliment was that he liked listening to them talk to each other. Two articulate people talking circles around love for two acts.

A movie that's actually trying to dig into complicated dynamics, whether it presents them realistically or even well. It fails, but it's trying really hard. ember is uh his when they talked about this movie on uh siskel and ebert at the movies uh siskel did the sort of line that every critic was doing of uh the whole movie is look at me i'm so ugly the audience has to tell her she's beautiful and she's always lit like this frame like this and ebert's like the one guy in this period who i saw push back on this i think correctly where he was like gene you are being disingenuous if you are pretending that you are not aware of how you play on camera. Right. And your own angles and what you need to wear and how you need to be styled and what you eat.

Like, we're both on TV. Right. And Ebert basically made this point of like, neither of us are in a position that is as sexualized as Barbra Streisand. But even for being two intellectuals on a movie review show, we're obviously thinking about this all the time. We're obviously always asking, Right, don't slam someone for doing what we know is part of it. Am I slouching? And they're just like, well, we don't think of ourselves as primarily being beautiful,

so when we're doing it, it's pragmatic, it's not vain. But Barbra, it's viewed as as this is an obsessive control. Also, she shoots herself. It's beautiful. She looks great. And the movie looks great. Like she has, it's not like she's just shooting herself and everyone looks like a hot mess and it's so weird and distracting from the movie.

It's like the movie looks great. New York looks great. She looks great. New York looks great. They shot it all on location. They built sets in like the Harlem Armory. That's so hurt apparently it snowed a lot

did you read this this is in the book that apparently the Whitney it was a cold winter and the Whitney asked for her Edward Hoppers

that she privately owns I was just saying about that said hey can you lend them out and she was like no I'm too busy and then she's like I should have lent them out

because I could have looked at them she didn't want them to be away from her for that long how many fucking Hoppers is she sitting on they wanted to okay they wanted to she could have gone and um no she's so funny about this this stuff also in the beginning of the chapter she says you know i went to shoot this movie i hoped it wouldn't take that long and my

my malibu house needed renovations so i said uh by the time i get back they'll be done and this is like what i love about her where it's like the practical like she went home to malibu the renovations were done and she said well that's that with the movies i love my little house i'm not leaving and she's never left since i got them all in the basement um brosnan defends there were a lot of reports at the time you know sort of this narrative of like this movie's out out of control. She's such a diva. People hate working for her. You know, Jeff Wells for Entertainment Weekly wrote a slam article in 1996 saying that like 15 co-workers had quit, you know, over the course of production because she's such a tough boss and all that. I do think that's true. Jeff Wells never has problems with women.

She talks about that in the thing. She's very demanding. She's very demanding. Rosamund says, I've seen male directors throw tantrums and nobody says a peep right yeah he defends her she's kind of the og that you know um and the movie yeah it made its budget it made 41 million dollars it cost about 42 million dollars you know more worldwide critics slammed it it lost its oscars and it didn't get any real major Oscar consideration. This is one of those movies where it's like, I would love the rental data.

Like, rental data. Right, there's money. Give me this. Movies for moms. Movies for moms. This might have been, like, the top blockbuster rental of 1997. Yeah.

There's a very good chance. Since this film, she has appeared in three movies, Two Fockers and The Guilt Trip. That's it. She's never directed. I think it's very telling that the three movies she's done after this

are her just playing overbearing Jewish mother in over comedy. Right, where it's like she barely has to do anything to be good at that. But not only that, like she's totally stepping as far away as she can from the barber persona where anyone can like, you know, in the Fockers movie, she is hyper-sexualized, hyper-confident, there is no who-me kind of thing.

And Guilt Trip, she's, like, actually a wallflower kind of introvert. But she's not giving them the space to critique her for doing the same thing over and over again. doing the same thing over and over again. And it's like, you read all these reviews, and they're just like, why can't Barbara get over the fact that her schnoz is this big and we all critique it? Where people are feeding into the complex at the same time as they're critiquing her

for thinking about it. She becomes like the silliest comedy version of different types of older Jewish archetypes where no one can go back to the same insults anymore or critiques, let's say. And she's not really acknowledging that that was definitely going through her mind in the memoir. You know, it's something that she doesn't even want to touch, really.

Yeah. The one movie she wishes she directed since this movie is Hidden Figures. What? Which she was given the script and was interested. Wow. figures. What? Which she was given the script and was interested. Wow. And I think because she's so fucking slow

and, you know, hems and haws, fucking Ted Milfey gets attached and, you know, that movie's gotta happen. Gypsy is the only movie that she could possibly do ever for the rest of her directing career. That is the one movie though she's publicly expressed like, I wish I

had directed that. And she's like, and I think you did a good job with it. No one else is going to direct Gypsy or make it. No. It has to be her or it's not going to happen, and she's not in a race with anyone except for herself. Well, she's in a race with time. And time. Well, herself, yeah. Yeah, that's herself, I guess. That's right. Did she,

you would know this, did she ever, what was her comment on, because I know she said something about the Gaga star is born. What was her commentary because she did see it she didn't she didn't she didn't black it out she did like it yes which is kind of pro she's pro but that's huge for her to even acknowledge that it exists that's what i'm saying with the funny girl thing about liam michelle like i don't even think she acknowledged it existed maybe she did but she never went to see it no she definitely watches star is born i, I think Her Star is Born is not kind of, you know, lauded as much as... But the nose thing in the Gaga, we got shades of Barbara there.

Two quote-unquote ugly ducklings who are actually beautiful. Right, right. Yes. But that movie, the Bradley movie is so indebted to the Barbara movie specifically. the Bradley movie is so indebted to the Barbara movie specifically and also we've been making the argument that Bradley as a filmmaker is maybe closer to Barbara

than any of the other Star Trek directors that he tends to get lumped in with that's probably his closest parallel that's so true of anyone they're both so into it they're both really into it and really like hideous every time I hear some gossipy like

oh you won't believe what a diva cooper is being about like oh it's got to be shown here i'm like i won't he cares i want donna directors right we don't have them as anymore right it's like what is the what is the iconic um Who is on the actor's studio and Bradley Cooper's in the audience? And they keep cutting to Bradley and it's before he's famous and he's just obsessed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did he ask a question? He asked a question in two different episodes. He asked in Sean Penn and De Niro. And De Niro, De Niro, De Niro. He's in the audience for multiples, but those are the two where he asks questions. It's like, of course that guy is taking this seriously.

I do wonder, and maybe after... And when Barbara Sawstar is is born i bet she reached out to bradley cooper if anyone no question because he's a direct because she was like you wow like you really directed this the hell out of you know like this is to me you are versus gaga though like i'm sure she was like oh gaga that's amazing slay mama but to but bradley oh oh. Bradley's a creative. Yeah. Slay Mama. Slay Mama. Slay Mama. Barbra Streisand has never said Slay Mama.

She sent Gaga a nice note. Yeah, or like flowers. She sends a box. You know, Rachel, our friend Rachel Ziegler on the Stars Born episode talked about her surprise gift from Babs.

She got a Barbara box with a handwritten note. Oh my God. Like without, obviously, it just appeared one day. Yes. that's amazing all right box office game griffin before we wrap on barbara wow yeah no is it i mean are there any

final thoughts on mirror oh music i love the music it's i think the music is beautiful music is great it's just again it's just like it's classic it's classic this movie's just a little out of time right beep boop loops sometimes that's what makes But that's what makes it so fascinating to me. Remember the horrible... What was that horrible Christmas movie that was on Amazon last year that was almost fine? The one with Zoe Deutsch.

Fuck. I love Zoe Deutsch. Something from Tiffany's. Okay. Something from Tiffany's. It is as close as I've seen in the world of streaming holiday movies it was almost theatrical it was like almost there but there's no score

yeah there's literally right no score it's like and if they had just added music it would have made it 20 better yeah and this movie has the music that you want where it almost it's like distractingly good yes it's like it it's i think it's even composed by barbara streisand that's one of the credits it's like composed by barbara streisand like she hung the hell out of it even if the movie is is kookaloonie insane like it does enough stuff well that it distracts you from how kookaloonian sane it is. Since this movie, Hamlisch did Informant and Behind the Candelabra for Soderbergh, both of which were obviously Soderbergh.

I have a mood. He died so much younger than I thought. But do you know the only other movie he was involved with is How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days? Makes sense. I think they're using his music. I don't think it's original music. But How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days. Makes sense. I think they're using his music. I don't think it's original music. But How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days is sort of the simplified version of this movie that's just like,

pitch it for the mall, take out the complexity. I'd rather watch this than How to Lose a Guy. I weirdly, as much as I love Kate Hudson, I find that movie absolutely insufferable. I agree.

I cannot watch it. There's something I find kind of gross about that movie that I can't put my finger on. They're leaning on each other in the poster. Well, the poster's great. I have no notes for the poster. If you broke that movie down like we just did this movie, you'd be like, this movie makes no sense. That is the movie that I always think about

when you see the conversation about like, oh, the rom-com's dead. Bring the rom-com back. It's like, even when we had the rom-com, they weren't good. 90% of them were not good. It's the thing about the rom-com's dead thing is like you're like well look at where it ended up yes and it's the same with the straight comedy you know like the you know the kind of star-driven comedy where you're like you look at the last few

years it's like well we were left with like amy schumer no offense amy schumer but like these vehicles where it's like it got a little tired and now it'll come back he ran through her good will yeah mccarthy you know like where it's like people got sick of that and they got sick of the matthew mcconaughey rom-coms and you know whoever get fucking heigl people got yeah heigl i we've made the argument that drove a stake through it you know that the real killer of the rom-com is gerard butler this is what we put forward but butler's doing like three of them but But now we have 40,000 Christmas-themed rom-coms on various lifetime

adjacent streamers. That play when you're dead on your couch. Dead, not breathing. They just auto-play. It's like, we don't have rom-coms? We do. They're just not where you think they are. Asa Butterfield gets stuck in the train station and he has to end up...

Fuck, what was it called? You just made it up right now. Asa Butterfield gets stuck in a train station and he has to end up... Fuck, what was it called? Wait, is that... You just made it up right now. Can you say Butterfield gets stuck in a train station? Sign me up. What's the... Is that Let It Snow? No.

What is Let It Snow? Your Christmas or mine? Your Christmas or mine? Your Christmas or mine. I just saw a good one called Xmas. Did you see this being advertised on Amazon?

Oh, like EX? Yeah, it's Leighton Meester and the guy from Upload, one of my faves, the main guy. Oh, you love Upload? No, no, that's Upgrade. He's from Arrow.

Who's that? He's Stephen Amell. He's Stephen Amell. Right, he's the brother of... Of the other guy. Of the other Amell, yes. And it's a cute family... But those movies...

Did you watch Genie? Is Genie out? Genie's out. If you try to watch Genie... Genie's on Peacock. You're a TV expert. Bobby is obsessed with having seen Genie. Not in the movie itself, but... No one has watch Genie You're a TV expert Bobby is obsessed with having seen Genie No one has seen Genie

I texted the trailer since he didn't even respond It's the only time I can remember David having no comment I act like it's not bad Wait, speaking of you What did you think about when Nessun Dorma started playing? What did I think about when it started playing? What did you think about when Puccini started playing? Like, what did it...

When Turandot started playing at the end of this. What did it make me think of? What did it make you think about? Wow, it's a quiz or something. Well, this is the thing. I was watching it. I was asking you the question. Bobby Finger is asking me the question.

What other iconic scene is set to this song? This is what I was trying to remember. I mean, there are plenty, but which one? The most... Rogue Nation flute nation flute gun oh of course i was like wow this scene this song really does inspire things and people yes i just love how how in inspirational opera continues to be to like they can inspire you to assassinate they hear an aria and they're like, oh my God. I know. Take out your flute guy. Pavarotti doing Nessun Dorma

might be like the most famous like vocal performance ever recorded. That and Vin Diesel doing Rihanna's Stay. Correct. Those are the two.

Those are the two. No, I think we're circling a thing here, right? Yeah. Which is, there are a lot of reasons and ways

that led, the whole complication of the sort of rom-com on life support, certainly theatrically, right? A lot of it is this issue of, like, well, you can just put them on fucking homework and streaming services and make them cheap with people who aren't really stars and people eat them up as, like, passive entertainment.

They love the formula. But what you're missing is these movies actually need to be produced at a big budget. But what you're missing is these movies actually need to be produced in a big budget. Well, they're magical when done right. All I know is that

Sony has currently dated for Valentine's Day Madame Webb, the most romantic film. Her father in the jungle! Her father was in the jungle researching spiders right before she died.

Researching spiders right before she died. She died mysteriously. Did you see she dropped her agency? Like last week? Who met him with? No, Dakota Johnson dropped her agent like 48 hours after that trailer. I mean, can you imagine the amount of female leads who were like, no.

You know, like, and then finally some agent is like, so she's a spider? Not really. So why is she Well we can send you A graphic No I think I can Even a movie Expensive can look

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Half of the thing This is also shooting On location Home Again is this Like amazing case study Of what does a Nancy Meyers Movie look like With no money is unfortunately half of the thing. This is the only information. Home Again is this amazing case study of what does a Nancy Meyers movie look like with no money? And you're like, not the same. The vibes are off. And why do you think we're obsessed with Gilded Age?

Because it's good? No. Because it looks incredible and they're not making movies like that. It looks incredible. But look, this complicated discourse cycle, which we obviously in small part fed into of Nancy being upset that everyone focuses on the kitchens in her movies and saying that's not all that it's about.

I'm like, yeah, but also the fact is you're the only person who got to make movies with kitchens at this scale. Yes. In a way that's equivalent to James Cameron being the only guy who gets to shoot water correctly. Yeah. You know? Nancy is hearing, oh, we love your kitchens.

Nancy's not hearing people say like, we love how much money you're able to spend on film and nobody spends money on film anymore. It's being communicated to her. In the soup of her film. That's why she's so angry, because all she hears is people being like, kitchens, kitchens. And it's like, no. She's hearing a misogynistic version of it completely fairly, but it's never been communicated to her well. Well, I don't think she's able to.

Never. Yeah, well, yes. And she will. Penetrate the bubble. And it's been communicated to her so many times that she will reject any future communication. If she hears the word kitchen right now, she'll spin out. She's like, I will fucking kill you.

I will fucking kill you. I hear her next movie's gonna take place in a studio apartment. Where's the kitchen? Fucking point it out to me. There isn't even a galley kitchen. Justice for Rachel Handler. It's got a hot pot.

They don't even have counter space for a microwave. These motherfuckers are the worst cookers. They have an induction pan. That's it. The film, I should also point out, it did lose best song, this film. Yes. Two in 1996. Evita.

Good. You Must Love Me. Was that Evita's only win? It was Evita's only nom end win, maybe. That movie was also kind of roundly, you know, seen as a vanity project at the time. No, I'm wrong. It got some tech nom. There's an SNL sketch that is the three actresses

angry that they got snubbed for the Oscar. Sure. And it's Sherry Oteri playing Debbie Reynolds. For Mother? Yes. Okay. From this year? I'm guessing Molly Shannon played Madonna,

and I'm trying to remember who the third person would have been. But it was like three big actresses who all didn't get the nom after campaigning really hard. Uh-huh. Okay. Sherry O'Terry as Debbie Reynolds is like I gotta see it. I gotta see it. Bank. Wow. It's a Nightline sketch. You got

Darrell Hammond doing Koppel. Of course. It looks like Anna Gasteyer plays Madonna. Okay. Sherry O'Terry as Debbie Reynolds, which does look like Money in the Bank. And Molly Shannon as Courtney Love for People vs. Larry Floyd. Have we discussed this?

One of my favorite SNL 90s, maybe it was the year 2000, one of my favorite celebrities as another celebrity on SNL was Gwyneth Paltrow as Sharon Stone in a random sketch with Sherry O'Terry. It's one of her best roles. Gwyneth Paltrow as Sharon Stone. One random sketch with Sherry O'Terry. Yes. It's one of her best roles. Gwyneth Paltrow as Sharon Stone.

One I was obsessed with was knowing that both Drew Barrymore and Tom Green had hosted shortly before this. Do you remember the thing where Drew Barrymore and Tom Green's house caught on fire? Yes. And the dogs were saved or whatever. And I knew they did a sketch parodying it on SNL. And I was like, who the fuck would have played the two of them? Great question. And the answer was Jimmy Fallon as Tom Green.

Perfect. Sure. And Katie Holmes is Drew Barrymore. That was bad. Was it bad? Weird. It was bad. Really weird.

Love Katie Holmes. Love her. But that's celeb on celeb violence. Although Katie Holmes recently went on Drew Barrymore and had a great time. I just Googled their names together. Katie Holmes is having the time of her life right now. We are here for it. Yes.

The box office game, Griffin. November 15th, 1996. What is this movie opening against? What is the other new release that we have covered? Is it opening against Jerry? It is not. I think Jerry Maguire is full on Christmas. Right.

Yeah. I do want to point out the English Patient is opening this week on 10 screens. Wow. It's buried in the. Okay. So what's a November 96? It's a family film. It's a family film. Yes. It's opening. I googled it earlier. 27 million yesterday. Is Mars Attacks October? Is it still kicking around? It's not Mars Attacks. No, but I know. Mars Attacks has not come out. It hasn't come out? Oh, it's December 2. Yes. Me? I have no freaking idea. Do you think you know Bobby? Oh, well, I googled him. I saw yesterday when I was looking stuff up.

It's a family. I can't pretend. We covered it on this podcast. Main feed? Yeah. And it's not Zemeckis. It's not a Spielberg. No, it's not a director we've covered.

It was a special episode. It was a special episode? Yes. It's Space Jam? Space Jam. People could choose between Mirror Has Two F Jam? Space Jam. People could choose between Mirror Has Two Faces and Space Jam. It was a Newman family film.

It never had a chance. Mirror is opening to 12 at number 3. Space Jam is opening to 28. Barbara's best opening. That's wild. And she didn't even win the week. She didn't even beat the second week of a star driven

thriller which is at number two oh oh space jam's number one sure new this week number two star driven through the jackal no great great great guess thank you better than that better than that okay i would say the jackal's one of my plugins for better than that but a more canceled if i have to guess a more canceled star is it the negoti to guess. A more canceled star. Is it the negotiator? Not that Bruce Willis has been canceled at all. Not the negotiator. Less canceled? Less canceled.

Maybe. Fuck, okay. More or less canceled. Still welcome in Hollywood, but kind of in a weird way. Is it a Mel? Mel Gibson. It's a Mel.

Right, he's less canceled than Kevin Spacey. A hundred percent, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he's getting Oscar nominations. It's not Ransom, is it? It's Ransom. Ransom? Oh, Ransom. Dare I say it? Ransom was a big titt It's not Ransom is it? It's Ransom Ransom?

Dare I say it? Ransom was a big tittied hit Ransom's good Ransom was I did get my first text this week Someone saying You have to stop Griffin Saying big tittied hit

Ben is now nodding solemnly Yeah I agree with that I point them towards Network Yeah that's your new defense From the golden pen That Patty Trajowski No Robert Duvall says it. Wait, you didn't invent Big Titty Hit?

No. He says, we got a big, fat, big titty hit. All right, well, then I guess you can say it. I can. All right. Take it up with Patty. Two more weeks. Number four of the box office, a great film, a grown-up thriller.

You love it. I love this movie. Is it generally considered a great film? I think it's well-regarded now. At the time, it got okay. Was it sort of a TNT grower? Yeah. It's a female movie.

It's four women. It's four women. In a thriller. So it's an unusual thing. I'm talking like one big female star? No, they're like four. Oh, you're saying four. Oh, you're saying four. I thought you were saying

it's intended for women. No, it's intended for women with four women. Four women in a thriller. On a poster. Four women in a thriller. You don't see a lot of those.

Sex and the City 2. And it's not like a horror movie. It's very much a thriller. Yeah, it's like a... That's a horror movie. No? That's a horror movie.

Yeah, that movie is nightmarish, Lovecraftian, It's scary. It is. Nightmare on Elm Street 7, Sex and a horror movie. Yeah, that movie is nightmarish. Lovecraftian horror film. It's scary. It is. Nightmare on Elm Street 7. When she runs into Aiden. When she goes to Dubai.

It's scary. Lawrence of Mylavia. Yes, exactly. That's what she says. No, I know. Four women in a... So, like, four women above. Now you sound like a Hollywood executive

wanting to reject this movie. So, four women. You're saying there's four women? Can we cut that in half? Above the title? Yes. It's a great film uh it's from a director i think oh oh is it set it off f gary gray set it a movie you love incredible movie yeah thank you yeah phenomenal an incredible movie uh and you know f gary gray's 90s including negotiator are quite strong and he's sort of become a bit of a boring we have talked about f gary gray was very much a guy on our long list of like he'd be fun to cover some time and he has talked us out a bit of a boring director. We have talked about F. Gary Gray was very much a guy on our long list of like,

he'd be fun to cover sometime and he has talked us out of it with his last five or six years of choices. I read Jada Pinkett Smith's memoir and I was so bummed like it, she doesn't talk about, she doesn't talk about any F. Gary Gray movies. Like she talks about,

she doesn't talk about Set It Off. She doesn't talk about, Does she talk about Collateral? She doesn't talk about Collateral. She doesn't talk about um does she talk about collateral she doesn't talk about collateral she doesn't talk about what else girl's trip does she talk matrix uh she's obsessed with being in the matrix yeah she talks about the matrix she has the vibe of being like the matrix because she auditioned for the carrie and moss role didn't get it was bummed about it but then they came to her uh for the sequels and she was absolutely thrilled she loves naobe and she was and she was sad that uh will didn't want to be neo man imagine if they were

in it together and i was like being in the cast of set it off and not having a thing to say about it that is so weird that is weird imagine if matrix resurrections was coming out during the collapse of their marriage. That would be great. That'd be good. What do you mean? Their marriage collapsed in like the fucking Eisenhower administration. Seven years ago. See, their marriage collapsed before they ever met.

Exactly. They were mirror-having two faces. They were like, all right, so we hate each other, but let's get married. Actually, I think they probably came up with as wild of a set of rules as Jeff Bridges. That's true. Maybe they should remake Mirror Has Two Faces.

The two of them? Yeah. Number five at the box office, one of my favorite movies of all time. One of your favorite movies of all time? In what genre? How to describe? Are you getting misty-eyed? Teen romance?

It's not Clueless? No. It's not Clueless? No. It's not Clueless. Not very, very, a very dramatic film. Oh, it's very dramatic? Yes. It's not William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet? It is.

It is. Oh. Baz Luhrmann's William Shakespeare's Romeo plus Juliet. It's been out for three weeks. Oh, okay, okay. I'm like, wow. It's doing a good job. I've just, one of maybe the top 10 most rewatched movies

for David Sims. Me too. Me too. If I count my teenage years, 100%. Cute. Definitely up there. You've also got Sleepers. Mm-hmm.

No comment. First Wives Club. Oh, my God. Terrible competition for Mirror because that's way more fun. And I'm also just checking my notes here. How much money did First Wives Club make? It was a hit, right?

It was, in fact, it looks like a big $5 million. Now that's a century mark? That is like one of the most perfect movies ever made, I think. Yeah, I agree. I don't think I'm being just like a total lunatic. It is the opposite of this movie. It's just, it's so easy to watch.

It's like. The fact you could see Romeo and Juliet and then First Wives Club the same weekend. It's a movie you can watch casually and enjoy. It's a movie you can watch hyperactively and enjoy the minutia of that movie. And it's, what, 89 minutes long? And most importantly... It's a movie that could play on a plane or could have an Alamo Drafthouse

watch-along party screening with people yelling shit. So, number eight is High high school high which we were just talking about very sensitive film john lovitz goes to high school and he has an afro on the poster uh number nine ghost and the darkness underrated 90s. A vowel. Yeah. Every middle school class, every boy in my class in middle school was obsessed with Ghost in the Darkness. Really?

Uh. And multiple times I went over to the houses of like other boys in my class and they would want to watch it and I'd be like, I'm not allowed. And so I never saw it. Were you actually not allowed

or were you just saying that? It's rated R. And it's like extremely violent. So you couldn't see movies for moms or anything rated R? What the heck were you watching? Just watch it. And I'd be like, I'm not allowed. I can't watch Ghost in the Darkness with you.

Okay, but going to other people's houses and watching movies that you weren't allowed to watch is literally my, that's my whole life. I said, Derek, I can't. And that is exactly the difference between us. There's ghosts. There's darkness. That says everything you should know And that is exactly the difference between us. There's ghosts. There's darkness. Everything you know about the difference between us. We're going to have to watch The Indian in the Cupboard. I'm sorry.

Well, that's a good move. There's no choice. It's a good move. Yeah, I mean, come on. Steve Coogan? Should I watch Ghost in the Darkness as a fifth best? No, Steve Coogan's in Indian in the Cupboard? Is he?

Are you conflating him with Night Museum where he's a little tiny Roman? No, no, no. Well, he is a little... He's a little tiny roman no no well he is a little it's a little tiny roman isn't he a cowboy in the cover i'm gonna look this up no he's not a cowboy am i conflating there is a cowboy and there is a small cowboy the cowboys really got in my head there because he does play a little tiny roman but he plays he's playing two tiny guys he plays a little tiny guy in this one too he's so cute i think he plays like a british war guy like he's he's like a tommy we're like one film away from me being able to curate my metrograph series pocket size coogan

that is the three night at the museums and the end of the covered and i just need one he must have been smaller than something else. Is he smaller than Philomena? Does she carry him around in a little bag? Pocket Coogan. Number 10 in the box office feel-good hit of the year Michael Collins.

Yeah. So that's, but yes, as you say, Lindsay. I got a very particular set of protests. You can see Space Jam. That movie's obviously

37 minutes long. Incredible. Get out of there. Thank you, Bobby. Thank you, Bobby. I needed someone to like that. A double feature. You could do Mirror Has Two Faces, Space Jam. I, Bobby. I needed someone to like that. A double feature. You could do

Mirror Has Two Faces Space Jam. You're in it. I'm going to listen Say it again. Just say it again. I got a very particular set of

protests. Yes. Very good. Very good. Mirror Has Two Faces. Protests that make me a nightmare for local politicians.

Movies used to be so good. Yeah.'s that is what i now i'm like that is what i thought everyone's saying it's good every time i watch a movie from 1996 or 1997 i think movies used to be so good but i think it's what griffin was saying earlier they used to look so good they used to look they used to be meticulous yeah they just looked fucking great and like this chapter with her complaining about the focus puller yeah she's like the fucking focus puller amir has two faces wasn't doing it right it's like people used to care about the focus people used to care oh so but rank rank barbara's movies grip there's three of them yentl's the best right and then i i guess i have to put prince of tides ahead of this but what what do you want? What does your heart do? I like Prince of Tides more than you, I think.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm very pro Prince of Tides. But I also like Star is Born. Well, are we ranking? Wait, you're ranking her directing? Yeah, but we did an episode on Star is Born because she basically ghost directed it. Yes. Oh, okay.

But I would put Star is Born last. Yeah, I think that's the ranking. Yeah. We haven't told Prince of Tides star is born i'm sorry uh mirror has two faces yeah yeah star is born yentl is the best yentl is her one is her one unqualified triumph she's really i think prince of tides is a qualified triumph uh yeah yeah but it's also like it's just she she, for not having made many films, her directing career is important in a lot of ways. You know, like, it is not accidental or coincidental that the night that Catherine Bigelow was very clearly going to win the Oscar for Hurt Locker, Barbara is the person they had give it to her.

Right. And I think she opens the envelope and says it's about time. Yes. Right? Yes, she does. That's the moment. It was like she was seen as this figure. She knew what to do.

Yes. She's a performer. Yes. And people went out of their way to ridicule her. Yes. Even when she accomplished something great. Yes. And also you don't need to direct that many movies

to be like a director. No. Like she just to me embodies like a director who gives a real shit and we talked about that takes fucking forever for her to choose something for her to do it for her to get it together like but you also think about in the same period of time that she's making movies Beatty Eastwood Costner Gibson right all win best directors and all have similar things where it's like these guys guys, they're very particular. And the movie's gone over budget and over schedule.

And it comes out and they're like, we were all wrong. Yeah. Here's everything in the world. We take you seriously. Clint Eastwood would be like, it took you how long to make the mirror has two faces? Clint I guess is the opposite. He's like, I would have done this in a weekend. I know.

He would have done one mirror. It's true. One mirror, one face. No, he would have made ten mirrors with ten faces. The mirror cannot It's true. One mirror, one face. No, he would have made ten mirrors with ten faces. The mirror cannot have two faces. No.

Can't wait for Gypsy. 2050. We're gonna get it. That would be great. She's gonna do it. Yeah. She fucking, Clint Eastwood's making

a movie right as we speak. She can do it. So she can do it. She finished her ten year book. It's called Journal Number Two. It's about a guy gets picked for a jury for a crime he may have committed.

What? Realizing. That's cool. It sounds good. That's cool. It's literally some script that just probably fell on his doormat. Hey, that's so cool. Nick Holtz.

Fell on his doormat in 1986 and he just like, he shook off. Who's the juror? Who's the juror? Do we know? Nicholas Holtz. Tony Colletson. I love that kid in Rainfield. It's got good people. Is she the judge?? Do we know? Nicholas Holt. Tony Collette's in it. Perfect. It's got good people.

Is she the judge? Is the last jury movie The Runaway? Runaway jury? Have we had a good jury movie since then? That's a good question. Certainly jury in the title.

Nicholas Holt. Jury duty the TV show has been great. Tony Collette. I think that counts. Your favorite Zoe Deutsch from the movie. My favorite.

Kiefer Sutherland who is having a little bit of a comeback. Wait, are they in Their Endurer No. 2? Really good. Came in a core mark. Their Endurer No. 2? Yeah.

Leslie Bibb. Zoe Dweck's going to be great in that. Oh, my God. And Gabriel Basso. Shooting right now. JD Vance himself. Oh, my God. I can't wait until this comes out.

Yeah, it was a strike-paused production. Incredible. But it's back up and running again now. He's on that Netflix show, too. That's not. I mean, I know he was J.D. Vance. He's the one that's on the night agent. The night agent.

Thank you. Not the night manager. It's one of those Netflix shows that was popular for a week. Yes. For one week, it was the most watched show in history. No one has ever seen so much television. It was watched six billion minutes per watch. Per person.

Yes. Yeah, but I just loved that it was like, I need someone for a night thing. Oh, do you need the manager? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hiddleston walks away. No, I need more of an agent. I need someone who more negotiates the contract, not deals with my... God, I'm high on this juror number two thing.

He's been so... I haven't been... Because when I like Clint Eastwood, I like Clint Eastwood. When I don't like Clint Eastwood, I'm like, get me out of here. Same. And this seems like I'm going to like Clint on his social. I locked the door from the outside. Whoever runs Clint's socials, they've been selling autographed photos taken of him on set. Of juror number two?

Right. He's got a beard. He looks incredible. Is he in it? I actually can't wait. No. 2? Right, directing. He's got a beard. He looks crazy. He's got a beard. He looks incredible. Incredible. Is he in it? I actually can't wait. No, he's not in it.

I'm so hyped for this. I think Cry Macho may end up being his final on-screen film. Yes. Possibly. Yes. Fine.

If he's making another movie. Jury No. 2. Unless he accidentally forgets that he's in front of the lens while filming A. And then they only did one take. Correct.

One singular take. The one setup. What if the guy on the juror did it? That is, that's good stuff. Let's talk about 1996. Like, come on. That's great. Yeah, I love it.

All right. We're done with Barbra Streisand. Thank you guys for joining us to a bitter goodbye. Oh, you're so welcome. What are we doing next, Griffin? John McTiernan. Oh, you're so welcome. What are we doing next, Griffin? John McTiernan. Wow, he just said it! I didn't feel like doing any other rant,

but I'm really tired and I need to get some food. Okay. John McTiernan, one of the few directors to spend time in both movie jail and federal prison. A man we've talked about covering

for a very long time. From the beginning. From the beginning. From the beginning. Yeah, one of the great fascinating career arcs. We're jumping right to him, guys. Next week, John McTiernan's

Nomads, which sounds crazy. He does have Pierce. He's done so much Pierce. A lot of Pierce recently. Pierce and through. But yeah, we're doing... You guys like McTiernan? You guys love to hunt for Red October? No. I've probably only seen three of his movies, maybe.

Die Hard and Hunt for Red October. I haven't seen Medicine Man. Here's the thing we found. No one has. Medicine Man. Die Hard and Humphrey Red October. I haven't seen Medicine Man. Okay, I like Die Hard. Here's the thing we found. No one has seen Medicine Man. Thomas Crown Affair. Oh, Thomas Crown Affair. Okay, I like that, too.

You know, Thomas Crown Affair, I want to like it more than I like it. Wow. It's got the look of a movie I would like. I would say I would... It's sort of too stupid. It's a little too stupid. I just can't wait.

We're going to talk about Dennis Leary in that movie so much. Well, everyone who dropped out for the Barber series, come on back. What was his last movie? Die Hard. Yeah, exactly. It was what? Basic.

Oh, Basic. And then he went to federal prison. For what? The Slammer. Lying under oath. About what? Anthony Pelicano. About, yes, about the dirty deeds of Anthony Pelicano

Notorious Hollywood P.I. And Phone Tapper Anthony Pelicano That's exciting, movie about that So that's what we got coming up And we're done, Griffin take us out I don't know, you're hungry Did you not have lunch?

No Tell me about it. She'd have a drawer filled with snowballs over there. Oh, we never mentioned that she eats snowballs out of a drawer. I think we said that. It's because she's gross. Oh, she's hideous. Yeah, she's fucking disgusting.

The moment that Jeff Bridges is most disgusted with her is when he finds out that she's eating carrots. Right, there's a snowball in the dresser between them. She sniffs the carrots and goes, mmm. They don't smell like anything. Bobby, Lindsay,

everyone should listen to Who Weekly. Yeah, what's coming out? What's happening with Who Weekly in early 2024, if anything? Oh, we're going to do our

yearly award show at the end of the month. The Who Bees are coming up. Huge deal for the community. Is this in a few weeks? Yeah, this is in like the beginning of February. Oh, so go back in time.

Listen to our end of year. Oh, February this comes out? Yeah. Oh. We could be dead by then. We could be dead by then. What will we be doing in February? You know, what we normally do. Two episodes a week. Three episodes a week. You're doing three episodes a week? Well, we do our Patreon.

Because of the Patreon. But they're shorter. Three episodes a week. Oh my God. You're doing three episodes a week? Well, we do our Patreon. Because of the Patreon. Sure, sure, sure. But they're shorter. It's a revolving door of wholebrities and that's what you'll hear. Yeah, they'll still be moving and so will we.

Yeah. So, that's it. We'll hang on the beach next year. Oh, of course. Yeah, you came to my beach abode. We wouldn't be talking about Barbra Streisand or Jeff Bridges,

but we could be talking about Mimi Rogers. That's true. Yeah, yes. You never know what Mimi Rogers. That's true. Yeah, yes. You never know what Mimi Rogers is up to. Is Brenda Vaccaro a who? For sure.

She kind of is in the show's Oscar nomination. For sure. For sure. She's iconically Dorothy Spornak's sister-in-law. in February 2024

reading, still fucking reading the Barbara Streisand memoir. That's what I'll be doing in March of 25. Check in with me and see if I've finished, if I've gotten up to thebra Streisand memoir. That's what I'll be doing in March of 25. Check in with me and see if I've finished, if I've gotten up to the chapter.

Hopefully by the time juror number two comes out, you'll be done and we can go to read the juror number two. We'll all go see it together. Yeah, perfect. We'll do it. Maybe we need to do an emergency juror number two episode. Yeah, maybe we gavel it in. We'll see.

I'm there. Yeah. The only problem is it probably came out yesterday. That's how fast it works. It's been released since we started recording this episode. Joey Joyce is on Instagram live right now getting people to see juror number two. She's so proud of it.

I'm so happy for her on that one. She's been in a lot of poops recently. So, good for her. Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Thank you to Marie Barty for associate producing this show. Thank you to Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork. J.J Marie Barty for associate producing this show. Thank you to Joe Bowen

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in three years. When's the next... So when's the next girl? When's the next woman? We'll see you then. When's the next woman? We'll do plenty of girls. Women!

Soon we'll have covered every woman who ever directed a movie in Hollywood. All 12 of them. We need to pace them out for reasons that are culturally depressing and not our fault.

That's all I'm going to say. It's a little bit our fault. I'll take 10% responsibility. And as always, Barbara Streisand should... Fuck. What?

I'm trying to nail a Streisand effect joke and I can't figure out how to frame it. David just pushed his mic up. She should sue us for doing this podcast. Correct. There we go. Thank you. Bye.