Bonanas for Bonanza - Bonanas For Bonanza Episode #42: “The Last Viking”

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

Subscribe to The Andy Daly Podcast Project at Patreon.com/AndyDaly Dalton, Mutt and Amy discuss Bonanza Season 2, episode 10 - “The Last Viking”, in which we meet Hoss’ uncle - but don’t get attached! Brawlin’, kissin’, makin’ soap, a Mexican standoff and a snake with death in his mouth. This episode has it all!Featuring Maria Bamford and Matt GourleyMerch: redbubble.com/people/ADPodProject/shopMail: PO Box 9407 Glendale, CA 91226Email: [e-mail]’s website: andydaly.comRecord date: 4/27/2023 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I believe I have sorted out the various problems that have be plagued us before B. And now so on and so forth. Okay, welcome. This is bananas for bonanza. This is episode 42. We're talking about season two, episode 10 of bonanza, the last Viking. God damn a son of a bitch. We got mutt Taylor's here. I don't know whether to smoke my microphone or talking to my sister.

That's one of the podcasters dilemmas and Amy slavers in his hair. I'm here and I didn't do my hair so I covered myself in a sweatshirt. Okay, I see that. You have what they call these days a hooded sweatshirt. It's a modesty sweatshirt. Is that what it's called? Yes. Oh, all right.

No one gets to see my head except my husband. My hair's fine. Yeah. It's not my head. What, you have problems with your head, but not with your hair. Is this like a Christian burka? It's like a Christian, well, it's a sign that I respect myself and my husband.

Oh, I see. By wearing a large sweatshirt, and then I put the hood up. You always, women always, you keep your hood up when you're outdoors or with other men. That's a good idea, so that other men don't become lustful towards you. Yes, and your head.

And your head in particular. Is the head the biggest erotic attraction a man could ever see? Well, to my husband, my head is so large, he likes to put his whole hand around it and just exclaim with wonder. Sometimes he, well, just for a little erotic for song, he'll put both hands and he'll act as if he's gonna

sit on my head and then he won't. Oh. Like an egg. I see. But he believes you have a particularly large head. Particularly large head. And we measured it. Oh, you did.

That's what I was gonna ask. It's an 18 incher. Really? Okay, that does sound big. Well, that's lengthwise across. Oh, okay. You mean like diameter? Yes.

Like you took a caliper to that and you measured the diameter of your head. You have an 18 inch diameter head? That's a foot and a half wide. That's right. Wow. How do you wear anything? I have to have a special helmet made.

I had to have a veil for our wedding. You go to a big and tall hat shop? Yes. All right. Yes, I order online where it's called, well, it's a special, it's, it's dot XLS. The, all the hat stores are dot XLS. Oh, oh, is that how that works?

If you're shopping for something extra large, you gotta go dot XLS. That's right. I don't know about that. Hey, it seemed to me that in this episode of Bonanza, by the way, I'm sure I'm wrong, but it seemed to me that Haas's hat was larger than usual.

He has a very large head. And the fact that his hat could be torn off from him by a spear seems unlikely. Oh really? Because it would be too tight. Oh yeah, cause his head's so big. But that's why this one was bigger because normally when he wears his normal 10

gallon hat, it's so tight that even a spear couldn't take it off. So they had to put in a kind of stunt hat so that it could fly off. That's what explains. He takes a little ribbon in this episode for his hat, which if somebody tells him it's funny and he says he don't find it funny and it leads to a real brawl. That's one of the interesting things about comedy is it's subjective.

Comedy is subjective, oh okay. But even something you don't intend to be comedy, somebody might think is. They might laugh their heads off. My goodness, that'd make me angry. Like for instance, this, when we get together to talk about Bonanza's series business, it's a wonderful television show,

and we're here to really help people understand how great it is. And if somebody was to take it as comedy or something like that, I'd be steamed. I did have some bad news for you. What? What? My husband says that my Bonanza obsession and my Christian marketing are a hobby according to the IRS.

Wait a minute. What? We're recording this right around tax time. And so you done filled out your tax return and according to the IRS, I'm so confused. You can't write off any of your Christian marketing. And my production, all the merch that I've made that hasn't been purchased, it's just because it sits in our garage. And then I've spent so much money on different marketing seminars like Pray and Get Rich and Dis of the dollar and saints who sell and God's wallet with Joel Oelste and you're leaving money on the table from Christ Springs and the giant without which is the benefits of

Acromaglia on your business. I don't know what what is that? Remaglia well, there's the giant within which is led by the guy who has acromaglia. You still have not answered our question. What the hell is acromaglia? It's where you have gigantism, where your bones and your facial structure grow larger than usual. Oh, really? Yeah.

Is that an Andre the Giant situation? Andre the Giant type situation, or there's the man who's the life coach who yells at you from- Tony Robbins? Tony Robbins. Oh, he has it? He has it.

He's seven foot five foot tall. So there's also a movement called the Giant Without, which is benefits of having acromegaly on your business. That means you scare people into buying things because of your size. Wow. And then there's the Lot's Daughters annual job fair where we share stories about the hardest things

of owning a business. But that sounds like a moneymaker because Lot's Daughters salespeople will pay to come do it, right? But it's actually a job fair where we have mean customers and wayward employees and boils. Who has the boils? Well, sometimes they just come up when you've been sitting in your seat so long at

a job fair and no one's come to say hello and ask about your magnets. Does Haas have acromegaly gaegia? No. No? No, just Tony Robbins. Just Tony Robbins. See how he's used it to inspire and use his gifts to be a good servant of the Lord.

Certainly he has. So does he have a movement called the giant within where he says, look how gigantic I am. I know you're not, but inside you are. That's right. But his giant is without. And that's what we're trying to promote is that if you have the same thing he has, you're a shoe in.

Yeah. You could just walk up to somebody and say, buy this watch. That's right. We're gonna not buy it? They going to be scared and maybe fall into tears and think about the trauma they had in childhood. Oh yeah. They hand you five grand. I imagine they talk about Oedipus and Freud, right?

If you're talking to somebody who's seven foot five, you're instantly in a childhood state. That's right. I would imagine. You suddenly become a child and they become your parent and they can tell you whatever. Yeah. Damn. You say, Oh, you are right. Mr. Tony Robbins. And, and cause he has a plunge pool and anybody who has a plunge pool and he, he, he gets in it. Does, Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Does he have a plunge pool in his office? No, outside his house. I've seen it as well, but he's so big his plunge pool is basically the size of a normal person's sauna or spa, but just deeper. I have a plunge pool, but it's just for my head. Oh, yeah, no, I have a sink too.

Every morning I put my head under the coldest water and I say, ah! Wow. Did you need a special designed sink for your head? Well, it's a utility sink. It's the one in the garage. Oh yeah. Wow, that's, you do that every morning?

A big sort of scream, a howl into the garage. Oh yeah. Wow, that's, you do that every morning, a big sort of scream, a howl into the air. Now, okay, what are we gonna do about your financial problem? Very concerned because you just listed off a long list of seminars you've been to and they sound like they're gonna charge you for hotel, meals are probably included, but that's a charge. Well, and then I signed up also for a four-year Bible college PhD in marketing. Oh, brother, you got to pay all four years up front. Well,

once you signed up because it's a for-profit college, you're all signed up. You're signed up. Oh man. Oh, all right. And all of that for tax purposes cannot be written off because it's a hobby. Says who? Who says it's what your husband says? Wow. That's what my husband says. This is, unless I start making money, I'm going to have to get a real job. Oh, maybe it's one of those things.

Like a business is allowed to lose money for only so many years, according to the IRS. All right, well then, dang it, we all got our marching orders. We need to start patronizing lots of dollars in a more serious way. Every one of us says you can stop. No, she's saying she doesn't wanna earn money.

What? Right? Isn't that what you're saying? No, you do wanna earn money, so it goes from a hobby to a business. I'm not sure now. But then you don't wanna, you gotta keep operating at a loss or else you're gonna have to pay taxes.

Oh. Christ, Christ said he wants us to be good servants and be faithful to the gifts that he's given us. What does it mean? Yeah, I couldn't tell you lady. Me neither. But it sounds like you're trying anyway and points for that. Yeah, I mean, he's gotta give you some points for that.

Absolutely. He knows you're out there trying. Yeah, yeah. Well, you figure out whether you want us to help your business be successful or tank it for tax, but whatever is gonna help you with the tax, man. And we will do either of those things or both at the same time, if you like.

Right. That's wonderful, thank you. My pleasure. All right, well, should we talk a little bit about this episode? Yes. The last Viking it's called. Yeah.

Holy crap. Can I just quickly say something? I watched a film called The Lady in Cement with Frank Sinatra. The Lady in Cement. Yeah. All right. Starts with a gal being found underwater with her ankles on a block of cement.

Totally nude. Really? Yeah. Okay. Now lest you should think I'm out there watching pornographic films. This is a Frank Sinatra starring vehicle. Okay. All right. Sequel to Tony Rome where he plays Tony Rome, a private investigator in Miami. Really? Yeah. Apparently he was so fed up, but doing this, he'd only do one take and just would have to be coaxed into that much even. Maybe he did extra takes with the naked woman.

I bet he did, except it was a scuba diver, so I don't think Frank was allowed down there. Anyway, guess who the sort of heavy is in this film? The heavy the bad guy. And when I say heavy, it is acropechologically sound. Is it a vodka? No. A cow!

There's a lot of cows in this episode. Was it Dan Blocker? It's Dan fucking Blocker. Dan Blocker was the bad guy? Yep. Was he even slightly believable as a bad guy? Well, he's kind of a anti-hero, roguish bad guy that they end up sort of working together,

but at first, sure. Yeah. Really? Yeah, and he's a real authoritarian too. He's got real gravitas, not like you see on this show where he's a lovable giant. This time he's a real heavy hand. It must have had to have been before Bonanza, I bet.

1960. He isn't that interesting. Yeah. He must have, I'd love to know if he was sort of like, ah well, it did one episode, one season of Bonanza and I don't know if it's going anywhere, I better keep my hand in the film career. Yeah.

Or what? I also learned that from the listener of this show, great fellow named Stephen Glander. Uh-huh. Glander. Oh yeah. He tells us that the Elliot Gould remake of The Long Goodbye. I've seen that one.

Yeah, Sterling Hayden plays a heavy in that. You know who that was supposed to be? Who was that? Dan Blocker. You're kidding me. He died. This is very much the same similar sort of role he plays in Lady and Cement.

Wow. All right, now I'm gonna go back and watch that movie and do my best to imagine Dan Blocker instead of Sterling Hayden's. Right. Dan Blocker. Dan Blocker. Yeah.

You seem to be getting something out of whispering that name. Are you invoking his spirit? Well, I was just, I know that we find out later, and there's no spoiler alert, but that sometimes people apparently might pass on from Bonanza. And I just hope that there's a second coming that will have a second coming of little Joe Joe and if I can embody little Joe's spirit in a second coming, I would like to. Oh, that sounds beautiful. Kind of all the Bonanza boys except Dan Blocker

did get that second coming at least television wise. Highway to Heaven, Trapper John MD, Battlestar Galactica. Poor Dan Blocker, he never got one. He never did. It's unfinished business as far as the universe is concerned. Well, all right, let me tell you about the date that this episode aired. There's some interesting stuff about it.

It was November the 12th of 1960 is when people first got their eyeballs on the last backing. The number one movie in the country was Midnight Lace. Whoa! It's not Ben Hur. Ben Hur has been supplanted by a film I've never heard of. Yeah, that's right, but listen, it could be back. Let's just say the fact that Ben Hur

is no longer the number one movie in the country doesn't mean it will not be the number one movie in the country again. I'm just- Taking a breather. I'm giving you a little bit of warning. People took a break from seeing Ben Hur to see Midnight Lace starring Doris Day and Rex Harrison. Apparently this was a shitty movie.

It's by a woman. So Doris Day is walking around in a thick fog and a very silly voice says to her, I'm gonna kill you. Did you watch this? Just the trailer, but I didn't. Well, I can try to find it again because it is funny. The voice is silly. Let's see, I'm gonna find the trailer, but I didn't, well, I could try to find it again because it is funny. The, uh, the voice is silly.

Let's see. I'm going to find the trailer. Is this supposed to be serious or comical? Oh, quite serious. She's in England and the, uh, uh, what you call them, the, uh, Scotland Yard says, Oh, don't be silly. You're just trying to, you just want some attention from your husband. Uh, is why you're saying something.

That's what most women's maladies were diagnosed as. And there's, it's quite valid. And then they say, well, now you, I guess you must be going crazy, but it turns out it's neither of those things. But it's fun to hear the first instance of when she's walking through this thick fog. That's how the trailer begins.

And she hears the voice. Mrs. Preston, over here. Over here now, Mrs. Preston. Who are you? You'll know just before I kill you. And she's not in lace. That's true, she's not in lace. And I don't know that it's midnight either, but I like what she's not in lace. That's true. She's not in lace.

And I don't know that it's midnight either, but I like what she's wearing though. You know, it's very 1960, but it's, I don't know. I don't find that voice very threatening. No, it seems like a scene from the prisoner. You know, that old show. Oh, you know, I never did say that. Maybe I should start watching. Real, real talk about job.

You have to have the patience of Job to get through that. Oh, you do? Oh yeah. Well, then maybe I won't. Hang on, I'm on. No, I enjoyed it, but it's a long haul. Well, I don't have a lot of patience. You know what I mean?

If they don't start shooting each other or hitting each other in the face, I get antsy. What's the lacy part of midnight? Yeah, good question. Do you put on a nightgown? I don't know why it's called Midnight Lace. I really don't. Maybe it's a color, it's black lace, real sexy.

Something like that. Do you wanna know a spoiler? Yes. It's Rick Harrison, he's trying to kill her or something. I guess that wasn't much of a spoiler because I forgot it. But she ain't lying and she ain't crazy. It's her husband who's doing something.

Making a fog machine from his band camp. Something like that. From his band camp. Well, you can get one of those fog machines at home. My husband and I have done that. Just to mix things up a little bit. We've got one too. We mix it up a little bit.

That's kind of fun. I never even thought about that. Put on a fog machine in your house. We both get a little bit. We got one. We mix it up a little bit. That's kind of fun. I never even thought about that. Put on a fog machine in your house. We both get a little asthmatic, but it's fun. Yeah. You just have some paper bags handy. Breathe into. Well, all right.

Number one country song is still Alabama by Cowboy Copa's number one song in the country. Save the Last Dance for Me is back. Haven't taken a break for a week. And then you got Celebrity Birthdays, the only one I could find was a lady by the name of Claudine Loy-Parts, better known as Moraine, a Belgian singer and actress.

Now, she was born on November the 12th, 1960. Now, however, I did find something interesting. First, let me see. You know the magazine, or maybe it's a newspaper, called the New York Times? Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's the Great Grey Lady. Oh, the Great Grey Lady they call it.

All the news that's fit to print. Well, the thing about it is, it's got an archive of newspaper from going back a long time. And so you can look up stuff that's going on in 1960. Now I wish I could find a newspaper from the West that's got the same feature to it. And if anybody has a suggestion out there, I'd like to do that because I don't particularly like

to check out a New York newspaper. Have you ever gone to a museum? Oh, a museum, I've been to the Museum of Western Heritage out here. Why? Why do you ask that? They have paperwork sometimes. Sometimes? Yeah. Well, all right. But it's nice to do things from home in your computer. But I know what you mean. I probably go to a library too, right? I've been there. But what I did find, I went to November the 12th, 1960, New York Times.

Now, this was three days after a presidential election whereupon JNF Kennedy. JNF Kennedy. John Nitz Farrell Fitzgerald Kennedy. Right. Yeah. He prevailed over Richard M. Nixon, who, well, I guess on the front page of New York Times, it was Richard Nixon rebuffs efforts to contest election.

Cause some people were saying, oh, that was such a narrow victory for JF Kennedy that it, well, let's get into it. He said, no, I'm going on vacation. And sure enough, there's a picture on page eight, I'm gonna show you, which is old Richard Nixon and his wife and his two daughters and they're deplaning in Miami to go on vacation.

He seems just as happy as a clam. I lost that election, but I'm happy I'm going on vacation in Miami. Yeah, look at that. That's page eight of the New York Times. Wow. Now, here's where things get, start to get interesting. Page one of the New York Times

is a photo of J.F. Kennedy and his wife and his little baby. And the caption says, holiday bound. On his way from Hyannisport, Massachusetts to Palm Beach, Florida for a vacation. Oh no. President-elect John F. Kennedy leaves private plane with his family in Washington. He made brief stop to allow them to de-plane

for Georgetown home where they will stay until he returns. So you're reacting to the fact that he's going to Florida as is Richard M. Nixon and the two of them are trying to have a vacation from one another are gonna be right close to each other. But am I understanding that right? He's dropping his family off in Washington? That's the part of it that I found most interesting.

He takes a plane from Hyannis Port to Washington, ditches the family, and goes on a vacation all by himself. Oh no. Down there in Florida. Wow, there's a new way of having a family structure, and it's poly family. How does poly family work? Well, you just don't spend as much time with the people you

originally committed to. Okay. That's what the whole thing is, is that you say, I know I love you, but I also love this other experience I'm having. It can be another family entirely, or it can just be being by yourself. Well, this might've been one of the ways

that J.F. Kennedy was way ahead. Cause just in 1960, he seems to already be dabbling in it. Because now I'm gonna zoom out from what I just showed you to show you something even more shocking. The story right next to that story about J.F. Kennedy going on vacation. Can you read that headline for me? Marilyn Monroe, to divorce Miller.

Oh my God. That story is literally right next to the photo of JF Kennedy going on vacation all by himself is on the very same day Marilyn Monroe divorces Arthur Willard. When asked for comment, Monroe stated, please appreciate my privacy. I'll be on a vacation in Palm Beach, Florida.

Yeah! Jeez. So I don't know, you draw your own dots and connect them if you like. Maybe the dots is here and all you need to do is connect them. Looks to me at least like the New York Times was saying, think about these two things at the same time.

Yeah. Yes. You know what I mean? You draw your own conclusions. Yep, so it's pretty clear that there was some kind of a fucked up threesome down there in Florida between JF Kennedy, Richard Nixon, and Marilyn Monroe. Maybe even Pat Nixon got in on that. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Well, she'd probably the ringleader. She'd bring snacks. At least snacks. Make sure that everyone was having a good time. You know, Richard Nixon used to call her buddy. That was, that's romantic, isn't it? That's very, very romantic. He calls my buddy. Come here, buddy.

Let's go, buddy. I feel like sex, buddy. My husband calls me Scout. Really? That's also real sexy. Hey Scout, you in the mood tonight? I like it. My wife says, pardon me sir.

Pardon me sir. All right, let me tell you some fun facts about people who's involved in the making of this episode. Same director as the last episode, John Floria. There were at least two directorial touches in this episode that I noticed. One was that the guy who is described as a snake ends up slithering in the dirt.

Now that's a director saying, hey, I got an idea. Yeah. Oh. And the other was a piece of wood that seemed to be meant to make us think of a little boat in the water at the very end of the episode. Yes, that wasn't, I thought he whittled a body like a Viking funeral.

Oh, maybe that's what it was. Was it a boat? I could be wrong. To me, it looked like a piece of mulch, like a wood chip. Yeah, wood chip, a cedar, a chip for landscaping. Or like an owl pellet, just a clumpy thing. Yeah, that looked to me like two directorial notions, which is more than you usually get in one of these episodes.

That's true. The writer of this episode, fellow by the name of Anthony Lawrence, is still alive at 94 years of age. Whoa, we get him on the show. We should. This was his second of six bonanzas. We might've talked about this before,

but this is what it says in his bio on the IMDb. It says, one day while on the set of Bonanza, producer David Doartort told Lawrence he wanted to do a story on each of Ben's wives. Lawrence enthusiastically replied, let me do it. I can kill off at least two of them. Lawrence thought he'd get thrown off the set for saying this, but instead was given the task

of becoming the writer who scripted the stories with Ben and his dead wives. Elizabeth, my love, in season two, Inger, my love, in season three, and Marie, my love, in season four. Holy crap. That's a big deal, right? Yeah.

I can't wait for those episodes. Yeah. We won't have to wait long. Those are gonna be good. Real good. You never know how women are gonna die, but they will die. They're gonna die, but they will die. They're gonna die, I tell you what.

He thought he was gonna get thrown off, but little did he know that was music to the ears of the producers of this show. Yeah, we wanna see them die. Figure it out. Gunnar Bergström, the last Viking, the titular last Viking, was played by Neville Brand. This is his first of three bonanzas. He was a war hero. Some publicists put out there that he was the fourth most decorated soldier in all of World War II and Neville Brand spent the rest of his life saying Noah wasn't, but he was a war hero.

Good for him. He might as well be a real war hero that's spoken like a true war hero. That is a hero. Yep. He was a voracious reader. Maybe though he meant Noah wasn't. He was a voracious reader. Maybe though he meant no I wasn't, I was the third most difficult. That's good to deny your own biography. Yeah. He had over 30,000 books that burned in a Malibu house fire.

That would have been like maybe the largest private library in Los Angeles. That's sad. That's too bad. He had the distinction of being the first actor to portray outlaw Butch Cassidy in the film, The Three Outlaws, opposite Alan Hale Jr., the skipper on Gilligan's Island, as the Sundance Kid. That ain't that a better combo?

Wow. I'd rather see that than Paul Newman and the other one. Robert Redford. Yeah, yeah. Give me the skipper from Gilligan's Island and this guy, the last Viking. Who was the third outlaw? That's a good question, I don't know.

Are we to understand that Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid had another partner in crime? We gotta see this movie, clearly. Also, Bran became well known as a villain when he killed Elvis Presley in Love Me Tender, he shot him. Here's another little tidbit from his weird biography. He was in an episode of the Twilight Zone called The Encounter with George Takei.

And he played a World War II veteran. And you do? Something about the US Japanese something or other in this episode was considered too disturbing and it languished in a vault from 1964 to 1992. Nobody saw this episode all that time. But now you can see it. Oh. Go check. It's after 1992. Go check that. Yeah, Sonya Wilde played Carrie McLean. Now we talked about her a couple weeks ago because her claim to fame is that she was the lead actress in a movie called I Passed for White.

This was her one and only film. Oh my gracious. She was an actress for two years and then she married a banker who became a politician and was then sentenced to 20 years for bank fraud. This is her husband. But maybe we should watch the trailer for I Pass for White. That movie showed up on Plex thanks to Steven Glander. Oh, it did?

I think the genre of this film is a fucked up movie. Confusing. Here, let's all queue up this. OK. It begins with a woman lying in a hospital bed and a nurse is tending to her. Well, that's good. She's about to die. No, I'm afraid not. This dialogue is crazy. Tell me about the baby. Well, everything went well, Mrs. Layton. I'll get the

doctor and he didn't. But the baby isn't black. So the story is she is as white as a white lady can be. She's a white lady, but in the movie she is black and she's married a white man who doesn't know that she's black and they're having a baby together and she's just in a white panic, a white white hot panic about whether the baby turned out to be black. It didn't. That's her husband. And he's like, what do you mean by that? He's she's pale. She's like a milkshake. Yes. And then there's a, there's a funny exchange coming up. Okay. Well, these two,

I bet the twist at the end was he's like, I'm Asian. That would be good. I pass for white. Here it is. Well, the startling power of the bestselling book There's no comment on that. That's just weird. Also in this episode, playing the role of Vaca

was a fellow by the name of Al Ruscio. He was in the Godfather part three. He's one of the guys that gets killed. I knew I recognized him. I absolutely did. And he's the one that gets killed by a helicopter shooting in the high walls. Joey Zaza!

He's the one who says, Zaza, you son of a bitch. It's his dying word. It's getting squibbed up. God damn, I knew I recognized him. It's a heck of a, first line is $50 million. He's just received a check for $50 million. It's gotta be the happiest Dave is like. Then a moment later a helicopter descends

and everybody in the room gets shot from a helicopter. It's crazy. He's like the poor man's Robert Loggia. That's what he is. Yeah. He also in this movie, he is an ego Montoya from the Princess Bride. Yeah, he sure looks like him.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, damn. looks like him. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, damn. His name also means cow. Vodka means cow. Yes. Isn't that interesting? He don't look like a cow to me.

Al Ruscio was also in a 1994 short film called Dick Wad, and he played Mr. Carlman in the film Showgirls. That's a classic. Yeah. That's a casino owner or something. He was in Hardcastle and McCormick, Simon and Simon, and Starsky and Hutch. Anytime you put two names together in the title, Al Ruscio was there. No Magruder and Loud, huh? No Ten Speed and Brownshoe. No Miss McMillan and Wife?

Nope. Cagney and Lacey. No Shaggy and Spacey. Shaggy and Spacey Nope. Can't name Lacey. No, Sigg and Spacey. Sigg and Spacey, I don't know that show. But he was in The Incredible Hulk in an episode called Final Round in which David Banner is saved from a couple of muggers by a boxer nicknamed Rocky. How'd they come up with that?

Wow. And listen to this though. David Banner becomes his friend and corner man. Try to imagine the Incredible Hulk as your corner man in a boxing match. Now for sure something's gonna make him mad. Yeah. And he's gonna step into that ring as the Hulk.

I guarantee you that boxer gets knocked out in some kind of shady shifty way. And that makes Bruce Banner upset. He comes in there. Can't you see him in the corner saying, Riff, call the fight, call the fight. No, no dice, no dice. Call the fight.

Oh no, oh no, everybody run. Ah! Did you just do a plunge? Yes, I just did a sink plunge. Now does the Hulk have acromegalagic aka? Well no, it is. I'm not sure. It may, maybe.

He just got gamma rays. I'm not sure. I just know that it's something that Tony Robbins has, but that's not something he mentions, at least in his documentary, he doesn't talk about how his physical size is terrifying to people, especially when he comes over them on stage and starts asking about their child. Yeah, it's not his size that scares me, it's his methods. Yeah.

Now, did Tony Robbins also have a steakhouse? Tony Robbins' steakhouse? Yeah. I'd eat there. You haven't heard of that? I don't think so. Roma, Roma Tonys. Roma, Roma, Roma.

Roma Downey's steakhouse. No, Tony Roma's movie. I told you about the character in Ladies in Cement. Yeah, but he'll bring you a plate of ribs. Tony Roma. I bet he would. Sure. You guys have to look away.

My head's hot. Oh my God. Look away, look away.. My head's hot. Oh my God. Look away, look away. All right, I will avert my eyes. So wide. That is 18 inches. Right, I never noticed it until she mentioned it. It is huge.

You have to just think of shaving your head and tattooing the globe on there. Bad idea. However, you have to keep updating it because countries change their names. That's true. That's so true. What if, if you have to get a wig, how will they do that?

Well, I mean, I, I know I would involve a go fund me. For sure. For sure. That's step one. You might want to get that going preemptively because that's going to be one expensive wig. Yep. Yeah.

Not a bad idea. Well, uh, okay. What else I'm going to be one expensive wig. Yep. Not a bad idea. Well, okay. What else I'm going to tell you? Rick Marlowe, this is the last actor I want to tell you about. He played Morgan in this episode. He's the guy who says, why don't we go raid the farm where the nice people live? And he- You paraphrase it.

Or something like him. He wrote the song, A Taste of Honey, which was recorded by the Beatles and Tony Bennett and Peggy Lee, who we talked about a couple of weeks ago. And his bio also says, Marlow had several accidents in his youth resulting in broken noses, fractured ankles, torn ligaments, and a fractured skull from a diving accident. Following his school years, he joined the army, but due to his fractured ankles, torn ligaments, and a fractured skull from a diving accident. Following his school years, he joined the army,

but due to his fractured skull, the army felt he was unsuitable for duty. Diving and he fractured his skull, what was he diving into? Good question. But for show business, you're A-OK. Welcome in. Better, in fact.

That's a lot of accidents to have in your youth. Something fishy. Something fishy about that. But yeah, he had all the money he needed from a taste of honey. Sweeter than wine or whatever the hell. All right, that's all them actors that's in this show. Yeah, you want to talk about the episode?

Yes. All right, this episode, the last Viking, begins with Hoss riding up, he's just doing his job. He's just minding his business. Absolutely. A cow has been stuck in quicksand. There's a cow up to his neck in quicksand. Happens on the Ponderosa all the time.

Wait a minute. I must've started in. You started too. I missed quicksand? You missed mud. It was more of a muddy area. Yeah, they don't say it's quicksand. But it's a cow up to his neck in a brown sauce.

Maybe it's barbecue sauce. He's just been told to lie down in some wet soil. Fine, keep talking. All right. I cannot miss an opportunity to look at anything resembling fucking quicksand. It looks like quicksand. Okay.

And it behaves like quicksand. But anyway, Hoss puts a rope around the cow's neck, which I guess is how you drag a cow out of quicksand. Or, and or, hang them. And or? And or, hang them. So, okay, then along comes a fella on a horse with a spear and a bunch of silver paint in his hair and a beard glued on.

Oh, my TV isn't that great. Oh really? I didn't see all those elements. This is so obvious. It should have penetrated that. Oh really? Also, it's not even a plastered on beard. It's a separate mustache from one kid in a different goatee entirely.

Well, because he's Norwegian Spanish. Oh, he's Norwegian Spanish, right. And he's got a scar on too. They glued a scar onto his face. But it's that silver hair dye that I most want to know. It looks like what they did the Tin Man in. They just combed it into his hair. Very toxic.

Yeah. Silver spray paint. Well, and then his top. His top is probably flammable. Oh yeah. Water, mud pit. Oh, it's mud, you don't think that's quicksand. No, frankly I'm disappointed.

Oh, I'm sorry. But look how he puts the rope around the cow's neck. That's a hanging offense, cow. Oh yeah. Well anyway, here comes Gunner, and he doesn't identify himself, here comes Gunner and he's, he doesn't identify himself, but he knocks off Hoss's hat and the two of them get into a real,

this is the first of I believe three big long fist fights in the episode. With no music. No, no music at all to the point where it's like, it feels boring in a weird way to watch two men grapple and fight and punch one another. And you never know when a stunt person, when a TV or movie fight is going to end. Know what I mean?

Because any one of those punches in real life could end a fight. Sure. That's right. And it's just like Fast and Furious where these guys must have it in their contract that they always get up. Oh, you know that they never are truly injured by a punch or a, or a asteroid or a Volkswagen. You know, you're not kidding. There's precedent for that because in Halloween

resurrection, it was in Buster Rimes contract that he got to survive Michael Myers and give him a Kung Fu kick. Oh really? True story. Okay. It's interesting to think of a time when Buster Rimes could command such things in a contract for him. Well, if you think about it, Buster Rimes was in his ascendancy and Michael Myers,

having done seven or so movies prior to this, maybe was a bit on the wane. Now I would argue that that has flipped and back where it should be, but. Okay, yeah. They met each other on the ladder, one going up and one going down. That's exactly right. Old showbiz ladder. You've gotta lick every rung.

Yep, you gotta mark them. Excuse me, lick every rung. Yeah, of the ladder, the showbiz ladder. And that's a saying, and we're okay with that? Yes. Okay, all right. You know that saying. Whether you're going up the ladder of success or down the ladder, you have to lick every run. Okay. So if you're going up and you're licking every

rung, you still got to lick them on the way back down. That's not pretty good for you. Okay. I'm just checking. I just want to know. Are you a man of faith? Are you dedicated? Do you want to live a life that, that, you a life that you're totally utilizing all the gifts that show business has given you? Okay. If anything, it's more important to lick them on the way down. Yeah, because you've been there. Now, do you have your own ladder or is everybody using the same ladder?

Oh, it's all one ladder, I believe. It's a metaphor. Oh, oh, it is? Well, I didn't get that. Oh, all right. That's interesting. All right. It's a metaphor. Oh, oh it is? Oh, okay. Well I didn't get that. Oh, all right.

That's interesting. All right, there is no real letter. Okay. There is. There is a letter. Okay good, it'll be. Anyway, these two. It's in Glendale, so a lot of people

don't want to go to Glendale anymore. It's propped up against the side of the Americana. What do you mean people don't want to go to Glendale anymore? Yeah, why don't people want to go to Glendale anymore? It's just too far emotionally. Oh yeah I see. The parking. Oh yeah. Well the Americana for sure. Yeah. Well you do get two free hours if you get a validation from the movie theater or restaurant. I'd rather go to Marina Del Rey than Glendale. Really? Well, I think a lot of people feel that way, but that's even further, isn't it?

Well, I mean, it's, if you're thinking miles wise, but if you're thinking in terms of the ease of willingness. I see what you mean. Oh, wow. What about North Glendale above the 134? Oh, the hills. Yeah, it's nice up there. Beautiful hills in Glendale. I've never been. Oh, you gotta go Yeah, it's nice up there. Beautiful hills in Glendale.

I've never been. Oh, you gotta go sometime. Yeah, check it out. All right, so these two beat the hell out of each other and then they realized that they are uncle and nephew and then they laugh and laugh and laugh. And then the map burns. And then we're at the Ponderosa Ranch

and Gunner presents himself to Ben. All right, here's the deal. Gunner is the brother of the woman, name of Gunner presents himself to Ben. All right, here's the deal. Gunner is the brother of the woman, name of Anger, that Ben married and who gave birth to them begat old Hoss. So in this manner, Gunner is Hoss' uncle. That's it, that's for sure. Now whether Gunner is also the uncle of Adam and little Joe seems to be a matter

of some kind of disputing this. Well, it's like saying, that's my cousin. Because you just feel a warm feeling towards someone. Okay, sure. That's my, you're my cousin. Right, so he's the official uncle of one of the Cartwright boys

and an unofficial uncle of the others. Let's just do a little genetic math here though. When you look at the size of Haas, which side of the family is coming from? Because Ben, he's stout, but he's not huge. Gunner's not very tall. I'm thinking maybe Haas' mom had Acrochymegilechicus. Oh, that's a good one. Maybe she was just a beast of a woman. Well, we're going to find out in the episode called Anger My Love, which is the final episode of Season Two, I believe.

Hell, yes. I can't wait to meet her. I'm expecting a seven-foot woman, stout of frame, just a tree trunk of a woman. Oh, humunculus. I love that word, but I don't think it means what I want it to, but I don't think it means what I want it to mean, but I do love it.

What does it mean? I think it actually means like a very small person or something like that. Come on. Look it up now, humunculus has a disappointment. It's almost as disappointing as that not being quicksand. A growth. A humunculus.

Like a growth on yourself, like you've grown a humunculus. I don't think that's right either. I think a homunculus is a small man, a very small human or humanoid creature. Isn't that a pain in the ass? A supposed microscopic, but fully formed human being from which a fetus was formerly believed to develop. So also a growth. Oh, okay. You know, you're both right.

Yeah. We're both right. Don't you want it to be a gigantic person? Look, here comes that humunculus. Oh, you know what it is? It's cause it's homunculus. Oh, it's homunculus. It's not humunculus.

Yeah. So it doesn't have any association with hugeness. I think it's like, like homo, you know. Okay. Sapien. All right, well. There's no. You combine homo, you know, sapien. All right, well. There's no. You combine homo sapien with uncle.

And I wanna talk about a big person from now on. I'm gonna coin my own term, huge monculus. I'm pro-life only in regards to homonculuses. I see. Yeah, as long as it's still attached to someone. Now a homunculus sounds like it will become a fetus. I think it's what, before science, understood what an embryo was,

was what they thought became a fetus. I see. As long as it's like a little backpack. Are you talking about like a vestigial twin where you got teeth and hair on someone's back? Yes. Yes. Okay.

You'd be pro-life in terms of that. Yes. You say don't cut off the vestigial face. Or like a quato from Total Recall. You know what I'm talking about? No. Oh well, it's that fellow opens up his jacket and he's got a little fella. Yes.

Throwing out of him. Say that's, you know, it's kind of like having an imaginary friend, but it's real. I think if I was the face on somebody's back, I think it would only be proper for me to say you have my permission to cut me off. Now, and you're, of course you're hoping they don't take you up on it, but I think at some point you have to say to be gracious, to be polite, just offer it. Are you a face or are you also, are you operating off the stomach of the host body? Yes.

So you're not hungry? You're sharing, you're underneath the shelter of the body from what I understand in the story that I'm writing in my head. You're fully dependent on all the organs of their body. You will not survive the detachment. Separate brains? Yes. And you've got to be fun. You've got to be up for anything. Absolutely you do.

You cannot be critical. Do you have to be up for that person sleeping on their back? Yes. You can't be negative. You've got to be very upbeat and you know, oh, that's a great idea. Let's go camping. Even if you don't love this restaurant, you find things that you enjoy about it. Because I mean, don't fall into the trap of being a harping heron and on somebody's back

nobody wants that. You're right. Got to be positive. and harrasing on somebody's back, it's the worst. Nobody wants that. You're right, gotta be positive. Now, what if you're, okay, you're a face on some fella's back, right? But that fella has, happens to be one of them Indian bizarre performers that lies on a bed of nails. Oh, damn it. You gotta be okay with that?

Well, you have some discussions. And you say, is there any way we can do something You gotta be okay with that? Well, you have some discussions. Okay. And you say, is there any way we can do something where you're on your side? Or it could be something where I wouldn't be impaled. And then if maybe you need to learn something, maybe I need to be open to, you know, that level of pain that if they're willing to do it, it's worthwhile. Okay. Be supportive.

Yeah. Don't present it as a demand. I'm questioning even whether the face on the back is allowed to have needs. I don't really know. Well, I think, I think that has to come from the person whose body is being used for food is that you've also got to have a nice attitude about it. This is your new friend. That's true. That's true. And I mean, obviously you're the one in power. Yeah. I would also say whatever's going on between the two of you, never let anybody see you fight. That's what I would say. And a kiss good night and a kiss good morning.

Don't go to bed angry with the face on your back. I'm glad we parsed that out. That's probably helpful to a lot of our listeners. All right. I just, my, my mind is reeling with questions, but I'm sure, I'm sure that one about the bed of nails was a good puzzler. I just have one more. All right. All right. All right. Okay. Is, is the only hope for love with the back face being finding perhaps another partner that also has a back face. I don't think so. What if they only fall in love with the back face, but the other two people aren't in love?

Well, that's called family. Okay. I see, okay. See, it's a problem. Look, I mean, it's almost worse what you're describing because if the two people on the back are in love and the two people on the front are in love, they can never see each other at the same time. You know what I mean?

Or is it the most beautiful thing you've ever seen? It could be. They have to take turns smooching their partners. You stand back to back so that and smooch the face on your, this on your girlfriend's back. And then you two can turn face to face and smooch each other. But then it opens up a whole other question, because I think we agreed that the face has its own brain, but is dependent on the body parts of the host body.

So actually, the faces on the back would benefit from the whole people having sexual intercourse, because that's the only way they would feel that gratification. I suppose they would. We don't know unless they love giving oral. Okay, hold on. You're right. Boy, does that get complicated.

Boy, does that get complicated. If that's the only way that they feel sexually aroused through their heads is through oral gratification of another. But then they're cheating on their partner. No. Oh boy. Because that's their partner's house. It's just like having the keys to your boyfriend's house. You know what it's like?

To the same degree that Gunner is the uncle of little Joe. Yes. The penis on your host body is your penis. Well said. Thank you. Not so well understood. Okay, all right. All right, we'll leave it at that. Life is a mystery.

We're not gonna figure it out. Not today. Life is a mystery. Yep, Madonna sang it. She did? Yep. Well, we're running out of time. We're barely on the second scene of this. No, it's fine. It's all right. What do we learn here? Oh boy. Oh Gunnar has a dinner with it. All right. Here's what I want to get to you. Gunnar sleeps over at the Ponderosa and as he's drifting off to sleep, he describes, he talks himself to sleep,

describing a dream he always has wherein he's on a boat and there's another boat that's just out of reach, he can never get to it. And as he's describing this, his voice takes on an echo, a reverb, echo-y sound. Real strange. Real strange, I don't know what we're, I don't know what we're meant to understand from that.

I don't know, Gunner's also wearing a satin shirt with a pattern on the back, kind of like the scorpion driver in the movie Drive. It's really strange. It is a peculiar shirt. It's in no way Scandinavian. No, not Scandinavian. Yeah.

Oh, the other thing about him is he's got like a Swedish accent, right? And that makes him nod when he talks. He says, that's right, I come down the mountains. It's on the, he has to, just about every syllable he's got to give a bounce, a nod bounce, to get the words out. I didn't know that about Swedes.

Oh, there's also a accent festival, a festival of accents when Vaca comes in and he's doing a rather large sort of a Mexican accent. It seems, and it seems genuine. Oh, it does seem genuine. I'm sure it is. Yes, yes, yes. And then you've got old Gunner there being a Swede.

Okay. I wrote down a few lines of dialogue I liked. Hoss says about the mattress that Gunner slipped on, that mattress is chuck plum full of goose feathers. That's a good thing to say about mattress. And then little Joe turns out he's over at the McLean ranch where he is building a fence and his price is that he gets to paw at and kiss on the girl. That was the going rate back then. His price is that he gets to paw at and kiss on the girl. That was the going rate back then.

I guess it was. That was the going rate. He is just all over, he didn't give her a moment of peace. Not a moment of peace. Kissing on her and pawing at her, grabbing at her. But man, he can make a fence. They can't believe what a good fence he's making. That's true.

And then he says, I wouldn't mind becoming the permanent fence fixer around here, he says. So that sounds to me like just about a proposal of marriage. So we may consider him for all intents and purposes engaged now to yet another woman Gunner and her will against her will. Yeah, she has not said yes. Yeah, not at all. Okay. Gunner says to Hoss, you wouldn't like me if you knew more about me and I'm not a Yucatan turtle. And then-

He says that a couple of times. He says that a couple of times. I don't know what a Yucatan turtle is. And he says Yucatan? I think so. Yeah, Yucatan Peninsula, is that what he means? I don't know. I'm not a Yucatan.

I'm not a Yucatan turtle. That's how he says it. Ben is making soap. Gunner has to go. I don't know. I'm not a Yucatan. I'm not a Yucatan turtle. Ben is making soap. Gunner has to go. Gunner meets up with his. Ben is making soap at a charcoal looks like. He, uh, okay. Now we're up at the bad guy camp. Vaca is like the second in command of a group of guys who raid white people's ranches and sell what they get to the Comanches. They are Comancheros, is what they're called.

And Vaca's the second in command. And Vaca thinks that Gunner's going soft. He's off visiting family. And now poor Gunner, he feels pressured into raiding the McLean Ranch where little Joe is hanging out. Well, Carrie McLean, Sonja Wilde. And so in the very next scene,

Sonja is serving up an apple pie, which I don't think she, you know what I mean? Like she didn't mean it as permission to kiss on her all the time. But it was taken that way. There is sort of a symbolism there that could be disturbing. Oh, you know that she, he,

she let him have access to her, her baked good. Oh, her pie. You think she, if she wants to put up boundaries, don't bake a pie. Well, don't let them have a slice of it. Okay. She was baking for it. Yeah. Baking for it. Yeah. Baking for it. Yeah.

Well, the bad guys ride down on the ranch and somebody gets shot dead and somebody gets shot almost dead. And then Vaca tries, you'd have to say, to rape, what's her name, Carrie. And LJ gets beat up for trying to stop it. And Gunner is again pressured to be tough on, I say LJ in my notes, I mean, Little Joe.

We know. Okay. And then they tie up Little Joe and Carrie. And then off to a camp where Little Joe is trying to reassure Carrie, we ain't gonna die. And then they shame Gunner, call him a filthy murdering skunk. Okay.

All this is going on. Meanwhile, old Vodka is still trying to sow dissension amongst the other Comunche Ropes. And he's being real bad. He says about Gunnar, he says, he's dying of conscience and remorse. Right? And then he says, I got an idea.

He says, find me a snake with an angry face and death in his mouth. Man. That's hard to find. How many snakes did he have to pass over because they didn't have death in their mouth. I wonder. It's just, if you have the face on the back, do you have to put a little eye hole and mouth hole in the back of your shirt,

like a balaclava or are you hiding it? Well, that's just, that's just polite. Okay. No, you're not hiding it. Okay, I'm just asking. This is a part of who you are. You are as a one-off person. This is good. I need to know this and I can't say specifically why,

but I am really glad to hear that. You do have a lot of specific questions. I do think again, if you are the face on the back, it is incumbent upon you to say something like, Hey, I know it's prom night. If you want to cover me up and put on a proper shirt and jacket, it's fine. You have to offer it, you know? But I think if you're the person who has the face on his back, you then obliged to say, hell no, I'm going to customize my tuxedo shirt and jacket so you can experience the promise well.

Well, and I think it's an open dialogue that goes on over the life of your homunculus of where you finally start talking real with them and maybe they say, I really don't wanna be underneath your clothes. And then saying, okay, you're never going to be underneath my clothes. And realizing that when the homunculus feels abandoned, even though it clearly hasn't been left behind,

it's right there with you all the time that- It is never left behind and yet it's always left behind. Oh man, that's poetic. That's beautiful. That's right. All right, sorry, continue. Well, okay. Let me just say, we get a glimpse

of what entertainment was like in these times, these frontier times, because they play a game where they got a snake in a bag. It's a rattlesnake. Snake in a bag. Snake in a bag. Snake in a bag. And the one guy says, I'm gonna release the snake out of the bag

and I'll give you $5 if he heads north, I'll give you $5 if he heads south. That's a fun game. It is unless it goes east or west. Well, that's right. Nobody was covering that. Ideally, you'd have four people with $5 who's willing to get the game.

That's true. And a compass. So anyway, that snake comes out and the snake starts hitting toward little Joe and Carrie and they're gonna die from snake bite except for Gunner shoots a snake. Now that's just more evidence that he's gone soft in the head with remorse. And so now we got a real long, quiet, silent brawl.

Everybody just sits around kind of watching these two guys beat the hell out of each other. And it is old Gunner who wins and Vaca slithers away snake-like under the wagon. He sure does. Then what do we got? Oh, okay. Uncle Abe McLean survived his shooting

and he tells him it's Gunner that's bad guy. And so the Ben and the Hoss and Adam head out there and try and find little Joe and Carrie and old Gunner kicks the knife over to little Joe. He cuts their ropes free. They escape, but Vaca sees him go and Vaca picks up his gun and chases after him. And now here's when something happens.

I mean, I couldn't believe it. Me either. Little Joe gets shot by Vaca and collapses into a heap on soundstage 17 at Paramount Studios. Hey, you know, cause you've been there. I've been there. And he looks for all the world like he's been, he's for sure been shot.

He looks like he's dead. And Carrie indeed, she becomes hysterical to the point where Haas has to slap her, has to. He has to. He has to. Because once there's a level of hysteria, the only thing that will stop it is violence. Gotta be slapped in the face. And so he says, come with me, take me to where he is, and they go. And now we have a classic Mexican standoff. That's what you got to call it. Where Vaca has a gun on Gunner. Gunner has a gun on Vaca. No, Gunner has a gun on Vaca. Vaca has a gun on Little Joe. And she's screaming. Yeah. And she is saying everything short of don't shoot Gunner because he's not actually bad. Right. Except as to say don't shoot Gunner.

Oh, because Haas has his gun on Gunner. That's how it's Mexican standing. I mean, his name's just asking for it. Gunner. Oh, Gunner. You're right. That's confusing. Yeah.

Well, sure enough, Gunner gets shot, Vaca gets shot, and Gunner, and then, and then we understand that Gunner, Haas understands Gunner was a good guy all along, who helped little Joe and Carrie escape. Not all along, but toward the end. He made some good choices. Enough. Under the wire.

Under the wire. No, no, sometimes you make it by the skin of your teeth. Yeah. So, Speaking of which, does the homunculus have skin on its teeth because it is emerging from the back? It can.

Okay. And that's one thing that you'll need to learn about your own homunculus. Everyone is different. Well, I don't have, look, I don't know where you're getting it. I don't have. I'm not saying you do or you don't.

Okay. That's something private between you and the growth on your back. I don't have that's something private between you and the growth on, on your back. I don't have a growth on my back. Okay. Well, I don't know that. Very uncomfortable in your chair.

Let me ask you, and I know this is really, really a long shot. If you put it, if you wanted to put her in a bonnet, yes. And gender, you're, you're homunculi. There's nothing wrong with that. I would ask first and say, what do you feel comfortable with? Yeah. You got to find out what your homunculus' pronouns are. Yes. Okay. Now let me just ask you a theoretical question. If, if my homunculus has a homunculus,

how much would I be responsible for that iteration of homunculus has a homunculus, how much would I be responsible for that iteration of homunculi? Well, it seems like you're not accepting this as an intimate opportunity to make connections. I'm getting a lot of judgment for just trying to cope with the fact that I do not have a homunculus. Or a humunculus.

I just don't know. Sometimes I've heard little screams when you sit down. Oh boy. And I- I think we both heard them. Little screams. And I think that maybe you need to have a real talk. A back to back?

Back to back. I assumed you was just keeping a mouse in your back pocket. But maybe. Let's just say for argument's sake I am. Okay, continue on. Okay, that's fine. A homunculus with a homunculus. Buy her a bonnet. I just don't know. Not a bad idea.

Look who's talking. You go buy a bonnet 18 incher. Oh brother. It is going to have to be a specially made bonnet. Well, at least I don't hide. Well, all right. Now we've got, so brother, what do we got here? We got dead people and, uh, um, yeah. Okay. Little Joe gets shot.

Little Joe. Oh, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. Little Joe turns out he's just fine. All he has is like a faint pink stain on his right chest of his shirt. Did they have paintball guns back then? Maybe that's what it was. Because he doesn't even talk about needing to recover

from a gunshot. No. I don't know what. It's a clavicle scrape. Oh, that's what it was. The bullet bounced off his clavicle. He's got a titanium clavicle. Well, now the episode ends with Hoss and Ben

at the lake that old Gunner liked so much. And Ben says he was just looking for some peace and quiet. That I believe was the little boat that was always out of reach and his dreams that he kept having. And then Hoss throws what looked to me like just a piece of wood into the water and old John Floria,

the director zooms in on it really takes a moment with it. Well, I think we're meant to feel that's the little boat that was always out of his room. Which is a metaphor for death and how he's moved on. He's moved on. Viking funeral. And with that, my friends, you a Viking funeral. That's right. Yeah. And with that, my friends, you know I hate to say it.

We only have 389 episodes left to go of this. This is ridiculous. And it's so sad. It's very sad, but that does mean I've developed a new tragedy charm. Oh my. Oh, this is exciting. Wonderful. It's the map of Bonanza and just that it would ever end. That it would ever end.

Oh yeah. And then I also have dead mother, which is as if your mom's died. So it's a breast that's ready to be milked and still filled with milk, but they can't be anymore because they die. It's just one milky breast. One milky breast.

And then, um, and then wrong mailbox filled with bullet holes. Yeah. Yep. That'll happen sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes you go to the wrong, even your next door neighbors and they just say, I don't want it, I'm scared. And then you just get, something bad happens.

Yep, gunfire. Well, all right, anybody got anything they want us to plug? Yeah, just. Well, just that you should get it, if you haven't gotten your taxes in, do it. And just know I am fighting to have hobbies become businesses. I am a CEO of a hobby.

And that that is a legitimate structure. All right. Well, you need to take up with the hobby lobby. They'll help you with that, I imagine. I got nothing to plug. All right, folks, if you want some merch, you're going to go to adpodproject.redbubble.com. You can check us out on Instagram at bananaspod. You could mail us stuff at payobox9407 Glendale,

California, 91226, where people don't go no more. You could, if you want wanna email us, that's bananaspodcast.gmail.com. That's all I need to say. All right, so long, folks. Bye now. God bless. Bananas for Bananza is brought to you by Andy Daly with Maria Bamper and Matt Gourley.

Themed song by Matt Gourley with The Journeyman, which in this case are Mark McConville, Daniel Michikoff and Wade Wright. Bananas for Bananza is mixed and edited by Mark McConville. Executive produced by Andy Daly and Matt Gourley. We'll see you around.