Boonta Vista - EPISODE 15: My Big Fat Gay Wedding

Episode Date: September 6, 2017

Andrew, Lucy & Theo discuss the upcoming marriage equality postal vote (assuming it survives the two high court challenges against it). Andrew gets very mad online. You can subscribe on Patreon for exclusive bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes if that's your thing. _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: http://pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Airbuds, Melbourne's podcast network, Airbuds network.com Welcome to Buntavista episode 15. We've had a little hiatus where everyone has been legally dead. Yeah but I'm back I'm back from my five-day-long migraine coma and I'm here with Lucy. Hello and CEO. Hey there. I of course am Andrew. Now that my brain is functioning again. Well, Andrew was shitting for five days. Just solidly. Solidly couldn't get off the dunny. It's given Lucy's terminally transmittable IBS. Yes. It's a really long slow death. It's taken Lucy like 20 something years so far. I'll be gone soon. I'll be gone very soon. Oh. Happy Father's Day folks. Happy Father's Day to me. The father of both. The father of the group. Father to us all. The father of children. The father of the group. Father to us all.

The father of children and the podcast. I gave birth to this podcast. You did. Happy Father's Day to you. Thank you out of my pothole. So I figured to say, happy father's day to all the dads out there, whether you be a straight dad or a gay dad or not actually a man dad, maybe you're a single mom out there doing all the actual work.

And happy Father's Day to you. Good on you. So to celebrate this, we thought that we would give you a reading. A message from Treasureed Australian Senator Pauline Hanson. Should we just dive into this? Yes, I would like Lucy to read this to us in her best Pauline Hanson voice. I can't do it. I don't think my voice can shake for that long. She's got to shake this voice. She just sounds nervous. She just knows she's not meant to be there. She's just about to burst into tears. She sounds like that all the time. I would accept a very nasal voice. All right, happy Father's Day to start with. For a lot of you, I'm not going to do the Pauline

Hanson voice, I can't do it. Oh come on, give it a bit of the voice. I can't do it. For a lot of you, Father's Day, it's still a day you can get together with Dad. Or make contact to appreciate all of the hard work he's done, blah, blah, blah, the usual sentimental shit. For the rest of us, Dad will be a forever strong memory. And while he's not necessarily here with us in person, he's never left us in spirit. It's nice. He's in jail. He's in jail. That's nice. Lastly, to all of the fathers, were they an apostrophe in fathers, who have been let down

by our legal system and will not celebrate, we'll not celebrate today with your kids. Never lose that fighting spirit. Oh my God. with your kids. Never lose that fighting spirit. Instead of marriage equality, hitting the headlines day after day, we must call for divorce equality and parental equality. Oh, good old divorce equality. Divorce equality. How does that even mean? I'm guessing it just means that Dad should get custody all the time. Yeah, I suppose.

Oh my God. Family Court Dad Day. Happy Father's Day to all the Family Court Dad's out there. Mark Latham, I hope you having a good one. Oh, happy Father's Court Day. Divorce equality. Jesus Christ. Well, she knows her audience. Oh God, I bet that got so many likes. That would have been so popular on her Facebook page. Very much. I wonder what, I mean, I'm not going to find out because I'm sure

it'll be a horrible brain worm, but I wonder what the hashtag 21 fathers refers to. I'm sure it's some sort of extremely normal and positive social group that Pauline is all about. But yeah, I thought that was a nice message from Pauline for Father's Day. The old 21 Dad salute. Oh, dear. Oh, and she does, she does close out on the observation that's, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm that, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm that, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that does close out on the observation that with about 35,000 same-sex couples in Australia I think divorce equality deserves just as much if not more attention given the number of separations now exceeds 48,500 per year

in Australia. Oh God I've gone on to the Facebook page. I've done it. May I just share one comment? Yes, please. Friend of a show, Jeff. Hello, Jeff. Hey, Jeff. He says, exactly.

Once we get the dad's a fair share of time with their kids, then we can start treating all the menapausal mums who cause all the distance between men and kids with their lies. Hmm. I'm with you, Jeff. Woo. And I can't wait until my wife divorces me for absolutely no reason and then keeps my, yes, and lies about it constantly because that's clearly what's happened to all of these men.

All of them and there are... All of these men who comment on Pauline Hanson's Facebook page. And they are all men. There are a lot of men who are very behind this Father's Day message. Oh dear. So, speaking of divorce equality, we thought we might have a talk about marriage equality today because if you are if you want equality you should let let gay people get married to so that they can all be as miserable as the rest of us. Yeah it's a good one actually I like it classic classic oh my god it's just like so many Australian political things on the scene, it's just sad, it's a bummer. Unlike American politics where there are a lot of deep festering wounds that are hidden

away out of the public eye until they occasionally bubble to the surface and some sort of action is forced. Here in Australia we do things a little differently and what we do is we weaponize sensitive political issues and then just keep them in the forefront of Australian life for decades. For so long, just so long. Yeah. Yep, it's been a thing that people have been talking about and seemingly just ready to get done and move on with life for a really long time. Yeah, here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are.

Which sucks. I had someone like ask me on Twitter the other day from America like what is the actual deal with the fact that Australia is normally relatively okay with everything else and we're so behind on marriage equality. Oh, and I just, I'd argue that first thing. No. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, but I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, here, th, here, th, here, here, here, here, th, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, th, here, th, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. the the. Here, here the the the the the the the th. Here, here we marriage equality. Well, and I just, I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah, but I mean, like I don't understand what is wrong with this country in terms of marriage equality. I mean I do, but you know. I don't know. I feel like, I feel like we're just, just perennially unable to just get some shit done. Pretty much. Get some shit done, settle it and move on. I think that's the essence of it, yeah.

Yeah, it's like, it's so embarrassing that America got there first. It's extremely embarrassing. I mean, they did get there through, didn't they get, it was just like a high court ruling? Isn't that what happened? Yeah, well the Supreme Court just said, yes, overnight. Yeah, they just went, nope, Constitution doesn't say that men and men and women can't get married, so shut up, let everybody do it. Yeah, whereas John Howard said that they can't, so they can't.

Mmm, saintly lord John Howard. Friend of the show, John Howard. Johnny. The show's favorite DJ. Yeah, and like, they had their ruling in the states and that's the worst thing now is that everybody, everybody has been forced to gay marry someone, usually their kids. Yeah. Especially the kids.

And, yeah, and everybody is just all day long, um, having to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their their they they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're the, theathea, thooooomoooomea thoooooooooooooooome, the.e. Yeah. Especially their kids. And yeah, and everybody is just all day long having to, you know, provide services to gay couples having hauphors sex in their shop and they can't ask them to leave. Which is everyone because now everyone has to have gay sex all the time. So. That's true. Court mandated. Just disgusting over there. There's just sex everywhere all the time. Disgraceful. Well and this comes back to you know all of the the many many completely specious bullshit arguments that get put up against marriage equality in Australia is that the problem is all of these things that supposedly will happen to a society when gay people are able to be married that are

supposed to happen, you know, cats and dogs, living together, just chaos, and the problem is that like every other developed English-speaking Western country in the world has legalized gay marriage. And nothing happened. And none of these things have happened. Yeah, like there's, there are all of these like live living case files that can't be studied of what happens in a society like ours when you change these laws. And the answer is none of that stuff happens. Well, I mean, you say that, but like, you know, if you wound the clock back to when we were talking about interracial marriage. I'm

sure if you went back there there would be people saying well what's next? Gay marriage. Hmm. Yeah. And surprise, bitch. Shazan. Well, um, you know, we can only assume that once gay marriage is legal, then it's going to be like, um... Yeah. Well, you know, uh, beastiality is Corey Bernadie's go-to.

Yep. Mm-hmm. And I like that he has returned to that well a bunch of times. There's a dog trapped in that well. And it's getting fucked. Oh, man. There's a dog trapped in that well. And it's getting fucked. Oh, man. I think that's the worst part about this whole debate is realizing how fucking ridiculous these people's arguments are.

Yeah, that's right. You go into it thinking that they're just going to be like a bunch of like Christian people who are just homophobic. And then you realize all these insane things that people genuinely seem to believe like we're going to have gay marriage and then we all have to be non-gender binary and all the boys are going to be wearing dresses and stuff. It's just fucking ridiculous. So we have compiled here a bunch of examples of all of this really dumb shit. And so I think the problem for a lot of the leading opponents of marriage equality are

one of the big problems is that they can't say what they really think about on the public stage. They can't say, oh well because I'm a member of a church that says that it's gross and wrong and a sin and it's a big violation and that we shouldn't sanction that as part of our society. They can't say any of that stuff because they know that they will rightly be called bigots and that they will be told that just because, you know, you are part of a church that doesn't mean everybody else in the country has to live according to the rules of your church. So instead, they have to take all of those edges off and they have to pretend that the argument is, you know, about, well, usually about kids.

They normally say it's about kids, even though they never actually explain what it is. I don't know if the inference is meant to be, well, if gay people are allowed to get married, then everyone's kids will be gay. Or gay people will have kids and they will turn those kids gay. I think they're mostly worried about just vaguely effeminate sons. That seems to be the main bit. Well, yeah, this is kind of my point though, is that like, yeah, even just pulling on the threads of any of these arguments and the things immediately fall apart, if you discount, the idea that it's just that they think homosexuality is wrong and should not be countenanced

in a civilized society, you know? There's nowhere else for it to go. And even all of the arguments about, oh, it's about children and what's best for children and everything, as we all know, gay people can have children. Yep. In the society that we live in right now.

There are tons of gay couples who have kids, and there are gay people having kids right now. And there are studies that show that they end up happier because as a whole gay people parent just the same way as other people except they can't arrive at children by accident. So, but they can't, but in the, they can't point to these things, you know, in their arguments because they'll count against them. So they have to, they have to dog whistle and to, to, to, to, their, to, to, their, to, their, to, their, their, their, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their, their their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their their their, their their their their their their, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tapole, tapole, tapole, tapooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, tha, tha, their arguments because they all count against them. So they have to, they have to dog whistle and they have to slippery slope and they have to, bloody thin edge of the wedge, you know, it's, it's gross. It's insanely inferiority. Yeah, it's all these suggestions about something around the corner. Some, some diabolical way in which our society will change, but people won't just say it. And I suppose that comes back to one of the other arguments that gets mounted all the

time, which is, oh, well I'm just a person with an opinion, and when I happen to tell my opinion to people, which is that I think homosexuality is an abomination and shouldn't be allowed around children, they call me a bigot. Yep. And they're the real bigots for saying so. Yeah, and they attack me. The real bigotry is pointing out my bigotry. It's so bizarre.

It's a thing we're always talking about of like, you know, free, having the right to free speech or to say what you think in a public sphere does not exempt you from any kind of consequences of that speech. I just can't believe how much of the time it is people like explicitly saying, ah, when I exhibit the dictionary definition of bigot or discrimination, then people then have the temerity to tell me that I am a bigot. And that is very hurtful to me. I think what they think the to tell me that I am a bigot. And that is very hurtful to me. I think what they think the difference is, is just civility. And it comes up in every kind of anything, you know, you can talk about recently, you know,

with the sort of, you know, racial tensions in America or, you know, whatever you point to, you know, they think that they can can can can can can the their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, the difference........... And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, te.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. te.a.a.a.a.a.a. te.a.a.a.a. t think that they can say whatever is abhorrent because they're being civil about it. They're saying it, you know, using large words in full sentences sometimes, but without any swearing or what have you. And you've got people that actually are affected by these things who are angry, and they are frustrated because they are the ones whose human rights are being denied and that kind of thing. And just the act of them being angry is enough for people to point at and say, ah, going about this all the wrong way. This is, you know, this is not good to me and we're going to vote no.

And it's something I've seen a bunch, you know, I've seen a bunch of people say, hey, I kind of thought, yeah, maybe they should get they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they should they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they they're... they're. to vote no. And it's something I've seen a bunch, you know, I've seen a bunch of people say, hey, I kind of thought, yeah, maybe they should get married, but now they've been a little bit rude about it. Yeah, they said a swear word. They've, and I'm not going to give them their rights until they stop demanding them. Yes, yes. I'm just going to be a little bit withholding here. Does that look? Well, and as with so much civility discourse, it's always the group that already has exactly what they want. It already has it. Yeah. Who is demanding that everybody else conduct themselves according to some set of principles, you know, to some little set of rules of engagement that hasn't actually

been defined by anybody. It's just this particular, you know, civilized way you're supposed to act. It's always the people who have what they already want that are imposing those things. And it's just an incredibly cowardly way of disqualifying, due to your own criteria, disqualifying other people from getting to have a set. These people though, these people are just like, I don't know how they function in society, like that marriage equality ad that came out with a woman's like, the teacher said my son was allowed to wear a dress and it's like, um, yeah, alright.

Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, that has nothing to do with what we're talking about but fine Hmm, but it's like they must just be so scared all the time Of just the world around them Shall we should we listen to the ad oh, right. Yes. Let's do it. Yeah, let's just throw this on On. Very real mums So this is the the commercial that has been put together by the campaign against marriage equality. Let's take a listen. Let's take an ear gander. School told my son he could wear a dress next year if he felt like it.

When since this marriage passes as law overseas, this type of program become widespread and compulsory. Now there's just a subtitle here saying, In countries with gay marriage, parents have lost their rights to choose. Kids in year seven are being asked to role play being in same-sex relationship. I don't know they haven't. You can say no. You can say no. I just, like, literally the only underlying message is I don't like gay people.

Like I don't want my kids to role play a gay relationship. Like, who gives a shit? That is genuinely one of the things that I've really enjoyed about this, is seeing the, that like, when people put that sort of stuff up as this is the reason that, you know, it shouldn't be allowed. or that they're so horrified the their their their their their their their thorified thorified thorified thorified tho tho tho thi thi that that that thi thi that that that thi that thi thi that thi that thi thi thi thi thi that that thi that thi thi thi thi thi that that thi that that thi that that that thi. I thi. I thi. I that that that that thi. I that thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. to thin. to to thin. to toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe to to to to thin. to the people put that sort of stuff up as this is the reason that you know it shouldn't be allowed or that they're so horrified despite again you'll notice that 90% of the stuff in that commercial had nothing to do with marriage didn't talk about marriage didn't talk about any kind of threat to marriage anything like that it was purely something will happen to kids.

And yeah like the whole... I saw a lot of debates bring up about about about about about the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their happen to the kids. And yeah, like the whole, I saw a lot of debates spring up about the child being told that they could wear a dress. And the principal of the school that that woman's child goes to, the first woman featured in the ad, came out publicly in a newspaper piece and said that never happened. Oh yeah and... That conversation, yeah, that conversation never took place. While Shelton retweeted it and he literally just said, yes it did. Yes it did, yeah.

So I love the whole like, our entire argument against, you know, giving rights to a whole section of the populace should be decided based on like one person's anecdote. But apart from anything else, I like that, you know, there were all these people arguing it and saying, ah, they've been caught out in a lie, see? She did get told that, you know, she did get told that her son could wear a dress and all these people is like, good. Yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like told that her son could wear a dress and all these people is like, good. Yeah, like, what it is? Doesn't even move the needle, like.

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Yeah, what a nightmare. So there was another piece here that I wanted to touctoub-to-touch on which was liberal MP Andrew Hastie doing an interview on the ABC and he was explaining why he's voting no in the same sex marriage plebiscite and I should note there to the ABC journalist that tweeted this that it's not a plebiscite it's a postal survey right as I've been told several times. It is, yes, yes. And so, all right, let me, let me just roll it back here for any international listeners. So here's the situation that we have. We're supposed to have a representative democracy in which our MPs are elected to represent an electorate

and they go to parliaments and parties put up bills and they get voted on and then they do or don't become the law of the land. It's a good system. What's supposed to happen here? Yeah, it's a good system if they do it. So in efforts to not actually have to do anything about an issue that has broad public support. Former weirdo, onion-needing Catholic Prime Minister Tony Abbott, without talking to his party room went ahead and announced that the government was going to conduct a plebiscite,

which is different to a referendum in the sense that whatever the results, you don't actually have to do anything about it. If they had to have done a referendum, then that involves a change to the Constitution afterwards. A plebiscite, however, is basically an incredibly expensive opinion poll. A bunch of people from his own party then went about saying to the media, I don't care what the results of this thing is. I'm still going to to to to to to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote the the the the the the the the the the the the the thethen went about saying to the media, I don't care what the results of this thing is. I'm still going to vote no against gay marriage because I'm a big stupid bigoted dickhead named

Erica Betts. And so, you know, they kicked this football around for a while and nothing much happened. I came to a head again under current Lily Livered great big piece of shit, Malcolm Turnbull, current Prime Minister, and enemy of the show, Malcolm Turnbull, who came out a little while ago and said, Ah, here's what we're going to do, we're going to have a postal vote. So, you know, they were going to put the bill for a plebiscite up against Parliament again, but it was very clear that it was just going to fail.

So instead they announced that they were going to do this postal vote, which would be even more expensive than the plebiscite. Is that correct? I think so? Not sure. That's what I've heard. I think the plebiscite was going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going the to be going the to be going the to be going the the to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be the the the the the to be the the thoeck. thoeck. thoom. thebblipeck. thoom. thoom. that's that's going that's going. that's going. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's what that's what that's what that's going. Thea. Thewere. Thewere. Thewere. Theffffffffi. Theffi. Theffiolate. Theffiolate. Theffiolate. Theffiolate. Thewereeck. Thewereeck. Thewereeck. I was going. I was going.s.s woebblipablebuebblipablebicicickewereecklebickeweree, that's going. I was going.to be like $60 million or something like that. The postal thing is going to cost $122 million, you know, again from a political party that is so concerned about waste of money. It's being run by the ABS who famously and very expensively fucked up the census.

Yes, that was good too. I could not do the census and now we're back. Yep, so people aren't even convinced that it's constitutionally appropriate for the ABS to run this exercise. There are two challenges against it in the high court before it even goes out, but if it does it'll cost a $122 million to mail to people who can receive mail and who are correctly enrolled to vote, to mail a thing out to people and then whatever portion of the populace responds, if most people respond yes, the liberals will probably still just not do it. That's right, if they, well, they've said specifically if it comes back and no, they will not hold a vote.. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the their their their their their their their their their their their to their to their to to to to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. they, well they've said specifically if it comes back no, they will not hold a vote.

If it comes back, yes, they might hold a vote, and the result of that vote will be no anyway. So it's, there is no reason for this to exist. They just want, they're just hoping that it comes back as no so that they can point to it and say say, say, say, say, say, say, say, say, say, say, say, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it's thi, if it thi, if it thi, if it thi, if it thi, if it thi, if it thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th exist. They just want, they're just hoping that it comes back as no so that they can point to it and say look it was done, we tried it, didn't work, sorry, and then be done with it instead of you know, enacting the will, the mandate of the people as is their actual job. Which unlike so many other issues in our incredibly divided society, is actually pretty clear-cut and supported by just years and years in a row of ever-growing support for marriage equality. It's supposed to be like whatever it is, you know, 70-something percent of people support it. And it's just this constant exercise in kicking the can down the road so that whoever is the leader of the shitty right-wing party that is running this country doesn't have to

tell the most Nazi-like members of their own party that they're going to do this sinful activity. And mind you, I mean, they're doing all this work to do something, to stop themselves from doing, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thoge, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, and, and, and, and, thi, soo, soo, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, so, somea, some, so, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is this work to do something, to stop themselves from doing or even considering to do something that they don't agree with. When in 2004, you know, as Andrew alluded to, John Howard put into law without a polypsite, without a post office, without any of this garbage, previously marriage was not ever defined in law in Australia, and they just popped it in there to say marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others. And that was, it's okay to do that if you if you agree with it, if it is the status quo, if it's

something that you don't agree with but 70% of the Australian populace doesn't then you better turn it into a too hard a hundred plus million boomer. Hmm and something that's effectively designed to to so distrust in the result. Yeah absolutely. Yeah. So so before that that bit of background was so that as I play to you here, Liberal MP, Andrew Hastie, doing an interview with Greg Janet from the ABC News to tell him why he's voting no in the same-sex marriage, postal survey. So listen to this extremely compelling argument, if you will, listen to this man just absolutely hammer down a stone foundation of logic that cannot be defeated as to why we should not have

same-sex marriage in Australia. Here we go. I'll be voting no because I think marriage as it's currently defined is both a public and societal good. It's a special union between a man and a woman. It's a meeting of body and mind. It begins with consent and is sealed by sexual intercourse and because the sexual union is at the heart of marriage there's also procreated potential. And because of that fact it's inherently ordered towards family life. Now the reason why the state the state is is is is is the state is the state is the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state thate is the state thate is the state thiate is thiate is thiate is thiate is thia public is thiou-inicicicicic. the the the thiou-inic. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. their thi. their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thiau. the the thia. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. theean. thean. trean. trueu. thean. thean. thean. thean. the. thean. the. it's inherently ordered towards family life. Now, the reason why the state has an interest in marriage is because of the welfare of children. And so I think it would be good to lead marriage as it is currently defined for

that reason. Hmm. I don't ever want to hear him say sexual intercourse again. That is disgusting. Begins with consent, all right. And of course, that's logical, the logical end end the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thiiol, thiol, the theateateateateateateathea, thiologicateate toeateateateateatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheathea. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state th. thathea. the the the the the the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. toea. that's thea. thea. thea. thatea. Begins with consent. All right. And of course, you know, the logical end to their argument is, you know, not letting sterile people marry, not letting people that don't have any intention to have children marry, you know, it just goes. Obviously, no divorce. Don't let people over 50 marry. Exactly. Yeah, again, it comes back to to this idea of, oh, that it's about children, it's somehow about children. People can have children now. They already do. So you're either saying that you disapprove of any current situation in which gay people have children and that you don't

think that that should be legal or permitted by society. And I would love to hear one of these motherfuckers say that on tape. I'd love to hear clean cut Andrew Hastie go on the news and say, actually I think that we should change any law that allows gay people to undergo IVF or adoption or anything like that. I think we should take the children away from gay couples because clearly again it's this thing that they all just keep dancing up to the edge of but they're not fucking brave enough to say that they think that there's going to be some sort of corruption of children or some shit like that. Oh contrary, Andrew I believe that brings us to the ACL.

Oh God. Our friend Lyle Shelton at the Australian Christian Lobby. And to our international lessons, we had a national horrible shame called the Stolen Generation, which was forced adoption of Aboriginal children, it went on for decades, it was a very nasty time. Now that long ago either. And not that long ago. Now that we've got this context, here's a little press release. The Australian Christian Lobby commended the government's apology for forced adoptions, but questions the Prime Minister's assertion that we can promise that no generation of

Australia will suffer the same pain and trauma that you did. We can kind of see where we're going with this. The problem with forced adoption is that it broke the biological identity of children, says ACL's managing dipshit Jim Wallace. But we are creating exactly the same problem for future generation with those states which permit surrogacy for same-sex couples and singles. Jesus Christ. What a piece of shit. Hang on, we'll just tie it all together the last sentence.

The worst form of forced adoption was that experienced by the stolen generation which broke not only biological but cultural identity. Oh God it goes on. I don't know when to stop. Today gay couples. I bet they really suddenly care about Aboriginal people. Totally. No, I can't read any more of this. It's breaking my head. Oh. He is the most corked. He's such a shit human being, Wild Shelton. I'll just go to a similar soul, back to our ex-prime minister Tony Abbott who claims it's best for his gay sister's kids to be raised by a straight couple. Wow. So it's really not, I mean this is this guy was I mean the most mainstream as it gets. I mean he was

Prime Minister before he was, you know, ousted for being too much of a gift. Literally the Prime Minister. Hmm. I mean, he does couch it with, you know, Chris has been a very good mother and her partner Virginia, they do a good job, but nevertheless, I'm old-fashioned enough to think kids do best for the mother and a father. And it's sort of this, you know, you when you couch it in, you know, nice, nice flothy language and all this sort of stuff, it's the concept that gay people can't raise, you know, functional kids. It's, it's not true. Ultimately, it has nothing to do with concern for kids. Like, the crux of everything they say is, I don't think gay people are good.

That's great. That's great. That's right. Yeah. Well, yeah, and you can boil all of this stuff down to, well, if you if you don't think that gay people should be able to get married because marriage is so important at such a bedrock of society, and if you don't think that gay people should be able to have kids because something clearly something bad happens to kids if they're raised by gay couples according to these people, then at the root of all of that is the message that you do not think gay people are equal. Oh, all of it. They just like, they feel like it's 2017, they can't just come out and say it, so they have to couch it in all this bullshit language. This comes back to what I find myself thinking about a lot of this stuff about how, thi thi. thi. thi. th. thi. th. thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th, is is thi, is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi the thi they the the thi the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi a lot of this stuff about how people seem to be fixated on this idea that

you know that oh you can't even say what you really think anymore because people will shout you down and they'll call you a bigot and they'll say all this stuff about you. Even even in Tony Abbott's own he wrote an editorial in the Australian about why he would be voting no and you know you know, he said, oh, if you don't agree with same-sex marriage, then vote no. And if you don't like political correctness, vote no, because a vote no will stop political correctness in its tracks. Oh, right. What the fuck does that mean? Like, it's, like, to, and I can't speak as to what is in the heart of every one of these frothing dipshits, but like to me, to me that just comes across really clearly as saying,

like what political correctness refers to in this, in this context is when, like I said, when you come out and exhibit the dictionary definition of bigotry and discrimination by saying to a whole section of the society that you live in, I don't think that you are equal to me, I don't think that you should have the same rights as me, I don't think you should be able to have kids, I think that I should be able to say whatever I want to you and is like Any kind of stuff about how I think you are unequal how I think that you are undeserving of the same rights I should be able to say all of that stuff without ever being challenged without being told that I'm a bad person for saying that Without being called a bigot. There's this whole thing. They're like, thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi, I thin, I thin, I thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin thin thin thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th's this whole thing. They're like, you see people just freak out online when they say this stuff and you go, okay, well you're a bigot. If like if you if you think that people should not have the same, if you think that people should not have the same rights as you based on some quality about

themselves which they cannot change, then it's bigotry. That is the definition of bigotry. It's cut and dry. It's the fucking definition of the act. And yeah, people freak out it being told that. And I think it's because people are forced to actually look at themselves. Pretty much. People are forced to confront the nature of what it is they're saying and they do not like that. Imagine, imagine having to be upset by something someone had said. I know, imagine that. Imagine someone calling you a name, like bigot. It must be, must be terrible. Whole thing is just, it's just out of control. And like, what really struck me about the,

about the Andrew Hastie interview, and I saw two clips of him giving the same very canned answer, when you take out the like, you know, I don't think that gay people are equal, I think that they're gross and it's wrong, and my church tells me it's an abomination, when you take out any of that sort th the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, about, about that, about that, about that, about that, about, about, about, about, about their their, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about the, about, about, about, about the gay people are equal, I think that they're gross and it's wrong, and my church tells me it's an abomination. When you take out any of that sort of stuff, any of the stuff that is like naked, open bigotry, then there isn't actually anything left that he's saying. Like his statement was straight out of some like, the Oxford Dictionary defines marriage

as... That's that's what we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we're what we're what we're what we're what we're what we're what we're what we're what we're what we're what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's that's that's what we're that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's what's what's what's what's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's was straight out of some like the Oxford Dictionary defines marriage as Yeah, that's the most galling thing. It's like yeah, that's what we're trying to get changed, you stupid father. He just he just describes marriage and then as we said he refers to how you know it's it's about procreative potential but again you're talking about something that's already happening gay people already have kids. Yeah, so like like I said, none of these cowards would come out and say, no, we think that gay people shouldn't be able to have kids at all. It is, however, a completely different issue the second you dive into the relative

anonymity of the internet, particularly like the comments on any article on the Australian paper of choice of middle-aged white dipshits around the country and you know I was reading before we started recording I was reading some of the comments on Tony Abbott's opinion piece about why he will say no to same-sex marriage. Two of the comments here, one person, Barbara. Of course, your name is Barbara. Barbara says, the Australian Marriage Equality Party leader, Jason McShane, admitted on Sky News last year that, quote, compensated surrogacy for same-sex couples is absolutely on

the agenda for same-sex marriage activists. Procuring a woman for the purpose of purchasing her baby objectifies and commodifies both mother and child. And John replies to Barbara, their self-gratification and rights are paramount and they are quite happy to trample on others' rights to achieve their objectives. I don't know what rights of straight people are being trampled on, but that's a thing that comes up often. I've seen that a lot, yeah. It's like, what are you talking about?

Some supposed freedoms or rights that are being removed from straight couples by gay couples being able to get married. Again, the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only the only their their their their, their, their, their, th, th, th, the, the, thoom, thoom, thoom, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr-a, throwne, thr-a, thr-a, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, thrown, thrown, and rights, and rights, and rights, and rights, and thra, thra, thra, thra..eat, thra.eat, thra.eat, thra.. thra, thra, thra, to get married. Again, the only one that I can think of is that people are starting to lose what they see as their right to just nakedly discriminate. Yeah. John continues, it is all part of the leftist neo-communist agenda. And with that, total reordering of social and cultural institutions and education with the eradication of male and female gender. Don't believe me? Look at Canada, making gender neutral language mandatory, all caps,

at all schools and having training in it. Hate tribunals are coming here too. If you write, say, or promote something that is anti-gay marriage, even factual, you are sent to one of many human rights commission tribunals and no legal aid is given. And that's why the Australian has been put out of business. Oh, what an absolute shit pile. What are they talking about, like, what are they talking about? Like, what is everything that's like, they've suddenly bring up all these gender-neutral language stuff. It's like like like what the fuck are they even talking about?

Well, it's like well all of that sort of stuff with the with the Oh, you'll be you'll be sent before a commission if you say anything and like people have this these ideas of like like they seem to genuinely believe it too. Well, it makes me think of um it makes me think of um. It th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well th. Well th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi it too. Well it makes me think of, it makes me think of when they bought in the Affordable Care Act in the States and there was that whole death panels thing. What was that? Which was, it was a stupid rumor that got started by right wingers because there were... I'm trying to remember what the origins of it would have been, but I'm supposing that the origins of it would have been that like you get assessed by groups of people and they

say whether or not you're like eligible for particular surgeries or whether you'll be prioritized, that kind of stuff. What they interpreted this as was that if you were over a certain age, you would go before a panel of doctors and they would decide if your life was worth saving using the surgeries and stuff at their disposal, And if they decided it wasn't, then you were effectively being sentenced to death by then choosing to withhold medical treatment from you. So they referred to them, they're referring to them as Obama's death panels.

Right. And it became such an incredibly pervasive myth. To the extent where, you know, the current Republican administration has been talking about repealing the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare, they've been having those town halls and Republicans have been going before these town halls and still, they're still pulling out that death panel shit except that everybody knows it's completely bogus now and people are getting shouted down, which is very cathartic to watch. Oh, it's so good.

But it's just, people just have these insane ideas about like these crazy new world order. Hey, hey, what were on this, when you said, oh, if you just read the comments on the articles in the Australian, I thought, first I thought, but why would you ever do that? Oh my God. And then I immediately scrolled down because I have several articles from the Australian open. And this is from bookmark. This is from Friend of the Show Terence,

who thanks Angela Shanahan for an excellent article. Where is this vote for marriage equality taking our society? Social issues such as the viability of gay marriage when dealt with on the social media platforms and much of the mainstream media and pushed by the political parties such as the ALP slash union as the cause ofto endure rendered in such a way to make us feel good. This is, it starts off quite, it's all right so far, we'll see how this goes. And a motive message, spur of the moment, decision making encourages us not to think too hard, well that no problem for the Australian readers, and as such, doesn't prepare us. The media fodder for the realities to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to the to the the to the the their their their their their their no problem for the Australian readers, and as such it doesn't prepare us. The media fodder for the realities that could perplex and haunt our society down the track.

The Jews in Germany prior to the 1930s had no need to feel much fear about the direction their society was taken. They believed in the good of society and mankind. Oh my God. Until the gay Nazis came for them. Yeah, the famously tolerant Nazis who didn't, didn't round up gay people and shoot them in ditches. I think they might be thinking different Nazis. So yeah. I feel like anybody, it's just the people who read the Australian think that because it's a broadsheet that they're smart now. Yeah, it's a smart newspaper. It's smart, horrible people. Look, like I feel bad. There are a bunch of, right, a bunch, there are several writers for the Australian who I think do really good work and I have a lot of respect for.

Um, shout out, friend of the show, Michael Rodden, and shout out particularly, dear sweet friend of the show, Rick Morton. Um, Rick has done really, really amazing reporting on the National Disability Insurance Scheme for a long time now. And he's also written several really great pieces on marriage equality. And the reason I bring this up is because he wrote one a day or two ago, in which he basically countenanced the idea that a lot of the opponents of marriage equality are just disgusted by gay people, but they won't come out in a minute. And which is very, very in line with

basically everything that I've been saying, which is that yeah, there are just, there are all these sort of illusions to some way in which it's bad or which it's bad, which it's, the the the the the the the the the the th, th, the th, th, the, th, the, the, the, th, the, th, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, they, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, their, their, their, their, the I've been saying, which is that, yeah, there are just, there are all these sort of allusions to some way in which it's bad or negative for society, but never any clear statement of just, you know, I don't think gay people are like us and we shouldn't, we shouldn't allow all this stuff. And yeah, so he wrote this piece about, you know, how he thinks a lot of people basically just, thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, very very, very, very very very very very, thi, very very thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, very, very, the very, very, very, the very, very, the very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very the very, very theeeeee very thi. thi. thi, very thi, Yeah, so he wrote this piece about You know how he thinks a lot of people basically just must just feel discussed at gay people and But they also just don't feel like they can just come out and say that and and boy Boy oh boy you should have seen the comments on that piece Oh a whole lot of proving his point a whole lot of concern for the children. And? A whole lot of concern seen the comments on that piece. Oh, a whole lot of proving his point.

A whole lot of concern for the children, I bet. Oh, just really disgusting comments and it just... It simultaneously made me grateful to Rick for having the grace and insight to write a piece of shitthat and also sad that he had to write it for that piece of shit paper. Full of people who just, yeah, who just didn't even, like, just weren't even remotely able to turn their gaze on themselves and see that the things that they were saying were just, were just exactly proving his point. And yeah it's just a bum. So

there are like I think that there are you know some good people writing for it but over the last however many years the culture wars shit in that paper is out of control. Particularly everything about Yasmin Abdeligid. They effectively ran a young woman out of the country. It's an embarrassment. I think that that paper, yeah, is just a horrible racist homophobic rag. They keep giving a column to Andrew Bolt. And Dennis Shanahan and...

Convicted racist and friend of the show. Andrew Bolt. Go fuck yourself. Huge piece of shit. And of course, yes, um... Rick's piece also inspired some absolutely frothing responses from Andrew Bolt and Mark Latham. It's all just very, you know, the lady doth protest too much kind of stuff, like the absolute,

the absolutely maniacal outrage at even the suggestion that someone's opposition to gay marriage might denote bigotry. Mmm. Um, really says to me, well, maybe he's onto something then. Should we, uh, should we take a couple of letters? Yeah, let's lighten things up from the old physical sack of mail. The old groaning physical sack of mail. The old groaning mail sack.

Yep. Put your hand right on in there. Pull out a big one. Yeah. Hmm. Well, unfortunately, the lebbets are about the same topic. Oh, wow. A friend of the show, Dave Hogan, asks. If marriage equality happens, what is Tony Abbott's move? Is there any chance that he shuts the fuck up? I don't think Tony can shut the fuck up. He will never shut up.

Tony will never stop posting with his mouth. Yeah, imagine if he knew what the internet was. Oh, Jesus. Imagine if you have a Twitter. He'd be on there all day. Although my take on this is that Tony Abbott is a purely political creature. I think that he is 100% political. I think that he doesn't really have like real morals or stands, you know, in the same way that like, that he's someone who's supposedly so dedicated to conservative ideology and, you know, the broad church of the liberal party and respecting conscience votes and all that sort of thing, and as soon as he became the leader of that party and the Prime Minister of the country, he immediately went

about not doing any of that shit. He immediately went about running up the budget and doing a whole bunch of shit that he had said he wasn't going to do and breaking a whole bunch of extremely explicitly made promises and running roughshod all over all of his parliamentary colleagues he was meant to respect and making a whole bunch of his patented captains calls and all that sort of thing. I think that the whole carbon tax thing is a great example of how he's like a dog with a bone on anything that he thinks he can get political mileage out of. And I reckon that once marriage equality comes to pass and it's clear that the majority

of the country is happy with it and it's going to stop being a political football that we won't hear shit from him about it. It's probably true. I don't think he's not going to be campaigning to reverse it. He's not going to be campaigning to like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to to be a a a a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a, like, to be a, to be a, to be a, to, to, to be a, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thioliolomea, thiolomea, to, to, to, thiolioliolioliol, thioliol, thiol, thiol, thiol, thiol, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi...a, thiol, thi.a, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.a, thi.a, thiii.auoooooooooooooomomoomorrow, thiolioliolioliolioliol be campaigning to like, you know, to do a repeal or anything like that. I think that it's just it's just a political football for him. I think you're probably right. Yeah, my take is that he he won't shut the fuck up, but he will stop talking about that specifically. Maybe we can distract him by telling him what bronies are.

Hit him up, send him an emailing th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. to th. th. to th. to th. to th. th. to th what bronies are. Hit him up, send him an email. They'll keep him busy for like a whole year. Just start a small campaign for like brony equality and that is only just happens around him, like Truman Show style. Put Tony Abbott in the Truman Show. Fuck that would be so good. Oh my God. Everybody in the Truman Show. Fuck, that'd be so good. Oh my God. Everybody in the show is gay. Look except it.

Uh, so that's my take. Unless anybody has an opposing view. No, I think you're absolutely right. Friend of the show, Virtual Wolf asks, in a competition of who needs to shut the fuck up more and maybe get a bonus punch in the face, who would win between Tony Abbott, Lyle Shelton and Andrew Hastie? What is actually wrong in the head with all- Wile Shelton, Nile Shelton.

What a fucking mile. Yep. But also what is wrong with them? How do you get like this? Christianity? Is, is, is, is, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, them? How do you get like this? Christianity. Do we, is it Christianity or are they just fucked in the first place? No, because it's, I don't, I don't think it is because I mean, one thing that we've seen in the last couple of weeks is a whole bunch of like religious leaders and that kind of come out and say, hey, while we don't explicitly, you know, think that in the Bible this is, you know, the best way to go

about things, we recognize that the greater harm is in harming these people and not allowing them the equality and lots of religious leaders have come out. Plenty of Christians that think that. And said that, and you know, there are a lot of people that take it all with love and all that sort of stuff. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, that, that, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, that, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, I don't think that that's it. There is something specific and I can't put my finger on it. Well I would note that I would note that that's the the commonality between the three of them although, although I would say that if you ran, if you ran the thread through

the three of them, to me Andrew Hastie is the least offensive because despite the fact that he could not be further from the kind of person that I am in the sense that he is a terrible human being. Strongly religious ex-soldier. I'll say that I think that I think that in his short time in politics that Andrew Hastie has shown more of a moral backbone than most of the rest of the party. In the there have just been a handful of things I've seen him do where he's come out and rejected either what the party's saying or how somebody was going about like doing some campaigning, something like that. I can't remember the specific examples, but

just a couple of things where I went, all right, fair enough. You would rather, you'd rather like come out and say the right thing than get carried by some horrible politicking bullshit. So like to me, to me he's the least offensive in the sense that he's political, politicking bullshit. So like, to me, to me he's the least offensive in the sense that he's extremely different to me and, you know, stands for a political party that I think is extremely damaging to this country, but he's still shown more of an actual backbone than half of the other guys. Then Tony Abbott, who has his own weird history of like entering the seminary, but realizing that that would require actually serving, you know, his fellow man instead of putting

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Pretty much. And then right up, right up at the top of this totem pole of shit is Lyle Shelton, who is a lobbyist, which as we all know is one of the lowest forms of life on the planet. He's just, he's so corked. He's so fucked, he's, he's, he's, he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he, he's he's, he's, you's he's, you's, you's, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you is, you is, you, you is, you is, you, you is, you is, you, you, you, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you's, you's, you's he's he's he, you's he, you's th, you's th, you's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. th. thin, th. th. thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi. He's thi, you know, you know, you know, you know, you of the lowest forms of life on the planet. And he's just, he's so corked, he's so fucked. He's a greasy ship bag. And yeah, I think that, I think that Lyle Shelton would do or say anything to further just the cause that he is currently in the employ of. This is true. And this is, this is what made me think of this before is that, um, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to, to to to to to to to, to to to to to the the th, the the the the the th is the th is th is the, the the, the is the is the is the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to the the to to currently in the employ of. This is true. And this is what made me think of this before, is that Fred of the show Josh Taylor, who is the news editor for BuzzFeed Australia. I'm trying to remember who used to work for if it was like CNet or someone like that.

But he has done reporting on like all of the plebiscite stuff and you know Australia's general terrible shambling marriage equality stuff for a while. And I just remember something that he wrote once about Lyle Shelton where he said, no, Lyle Shelton is a homophobe in the sense that he doesn't hate gay people, he is petrified of them. Yeah, they're genuinely, he's scared of them. I like, I feel bad for how like, how these people's lives must be being so terrified of anybody that's different. I mean, I don't feel bad for them because they're terrible, but like, that's genuinely the way that they feel about the world around them. I mean, I don't want to suggest anything, but I think the weird common threat amongst these people is a fucked up preoccupation with the sexuality of children, which is very

strange. It is very strange to be thinking about your young child doing the sex in any sense. Well, it's like people, so yeah, there is a lot of that whole like, oh, people are trying to sexualize children in some way. And you know, it's as people say about Lyle Shelton, as I've seen gay people say about Lyle Shelton, he spends more time thinking about gay people having sex than gay people do. That's true, that's true. I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, you, you, thi, that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's true though, that's so true.

I don't know, I just, I really hope that, you know, there were I guess good, good results around how many people updated their details with the Electoral Commission. Yeah, it's good. So they could take part in the vote. It was like an extra 100,000 people got added and 60,000 of them were like 18 to 24. Yeah, I saw someone comment. The vast majority. Yeah, it might have been a tactical mistake to get young, typically left-leaning people to rush out and register for this vote. We'll see. I don't think the numbers, I don't think the numbers there to commit to anything, but it is it is it is, it is, it is, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, thi, thi, the, to, thi, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were like, were like, were, were like, were like, were, were like, were like, were like, were like, were like, were like, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, were, to to to to to to to, were, were, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they. they. So, they. So, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. to. to. to. to. 'll see I don't think the numbers I don't think the numbers they're to commit to anything but it is a fun little thing to chew on. No I mean I suppose the the really worrying thing is that because the entire exercise seems so dishonest like the entire thing seems like it's set up to fail. I completely understand why a lot of people would look at this postal survey with disdain

and think, oh it's stupid and it's all just a big political game and why should I take part? And obviously the answer is because, you know, like you were saying, Theo, if the vote doesn't get up, then conservatives will take that as being... Yeah, that's right. It's one thing to to look to look to look to look to look to look to look to look to look to look th th th th th th th th th th th th th then conservatives will take that as being... Yeah, that's, you know. That's right. It's one thing to look at it as a game, but it has real consequences to people's lives, so we shouldn't play it like a game. You know, all we can do it out, is get out there and vote yes and make sure that as many people we know do as well. And yeah, I guess, even if, you know, the vote the vote the vote the vote the vote vote vote vote vote vote the vote vote the vote vote vote vote the vote vote vote the vote vote the vote vote the vote the vote the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, i to to to look to look to look to look to look to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the vote, it the vote, it the vote, it is, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote the vote the vote the vote the vote the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote, the vote the vote, thoooo, thooo, I guess even if, even if, you know, the vote on the survey is yes, but they don't do anything about it, then at least that's still ammo for, you know, whoever comes in after this atrocious liberal government.

Because that's the other thing, we can all take comfort in the fact that this liberal government is not long for this world. No. Malcolm Turnbull is dismally unpopular. And, you know, I would just say on a personal level, I hope that this haunts Malcolm Turnbull, a man who by all accounts considers himself progressive and a man, a man of the modern world. I hope that he chokes on this shit in his sleep. I hope that he wakes up in a cold sweat thinking about how far back he's put the cause of people whose rights he's supposedly championed, you know,

in the past. Yep. Like this, this energy policy, I mean, there are so many things, treatment of refugees that you can point to and say, he is just a man without morals, a man who has just compromised absolutely anything and everything about himself in this craven attempt to hold power. And he's got it and he can't do anything with it. I mean, like Tony Abbott's a piece of shit, but to me Tony Abbott was just the dog who caught the car, you know? Oh, absolutely. He got the prime minister ship, he didn't know what to do with it. He was really bad at the job. He is absolutely anything but a leader. Whereas Malcolm Turnbull, I think, I think Malcolm Turnbull genuinely thinks of himself as a really smart guy with all the answers. And he's just, he's just traded away absolutely any and every part of himself.

Yep. And I hope he has a dissociative episode while having a shit, just thinking about giving power to be able to be the boss. And I hope he has a dissociative episode while having a shit, just thinking about giving power to Peter Dutton. What a terrible thing to do. Standing up at press conferences and telling the world that he thinks that Peter Dutton is a capable, accomplished man. God, that's so depressing. You know? It's, well, yeah, I just, you know, I hope, you know, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I hope, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to to to. God, that's so depressing. You know? It's, well, yeah, I just, you know, I hope, I hope that all of the, all the shit he's traded off, all the fucking Faustian backroom deals that he's made to get his little run at power, just so that we can all see that he's just as much of a big fuck-up failure as he was the last time he was leader of the Liberal Party.

You know, like he completely fucked it up that time, he was a complete chump, he fell for that whole Godwin-Gretch thing, hook, line, and sinker. Got thrown out by his own party for you're too fucking dumb to operate. And he finally crawled his way back to the top and yep he's just compromised every part of himself and I hope that he enjoys knowing that he's going to go down in history as a worse leader than Tony Abbott. And I hope he is beaten by Bill Shorton who is as far as I can tell just six wet paper cardboard boxes stacked on top of one another. Oh god, it's gonna be fantastic.

Oh, yeah, like they are absolutely going to lose the next election, and I can only hope in a landslide. Hmm. Fingers crossed. Well, God forbid, the Labour Party actually get a bit of fucking spine and confidence from it, and try to do some kind of positive shit because this country is sorely in need of it. Yes. And so on that note we will leave with a great big raised middle finger to Malcolm Turnbull you spineless jellyfish sack of shit. Yeah piece of shit mate. Now before we go out can we just

touc-c- on Jackie Lambie for a second? Sure, friend of the show, Jackie Lambie, who I think we discussed, Lucy said, off-pod, you know, her politics are garbage, but as a person she rules. Oh, she's fantastic. So this is from the ex-chief of staff for Jackie Lambie, a Rob Messenger. And Rob Messenger claims, Center Lambie regularly announced to the staff words to the effect, I desperately need a route and that her excessive alcohol consumption could impact upon her work health and safety and that of the staff working within her office. So good on you Jackie. You go and get it.

Relatable, you get it girl. Well what I would like to know is words to the effect of. I mean it sounds like a very specific phrase. I mean if it wasn't those words how much more raw did it get? How much worse was it than I need a root? Oh Jackie. Love it. I'm sure get a root one day. God bless her, friend of the show with terrible politics. That's it. Well look I mean Jackie Lambie, Jackie Lambie to me is in the same bucket as like David Laneholm, where she is a piece of shit in the same way that David Laneholm is, but yeah, like it's the same thing where because they are both people who are untethered by

party affiliation or any of that sort of stuff, they can just say whatever they're thinking for better or worse. Yes. And so there have been a th th then then a then a whole then then then then then th They can just say whatever they're thinking for better or worse. And so there have been a whole bunch of things where I have heard Jackie Lambie speak and gone, fair enough, like stuff where she's gone. Hey, veterans, you should treat veterans better and not, you know, repeal all of the funding for looking after people that you sent to a war zone and shit like that. And I go, yes, you're right. repeal all of the funding for looking after people that you sent to a war zone and shit like that. And I go, yes, you're right. She goes, and also ban the burker.

And I go, oh Jackie. Yeah, and it's the same thing with David Laneholm where you know he'll say, hey look, you know, I think that same-sex marriage should be legal because it's none of the government's business who people love and you know like people should be able to marry whoever they want because that's got nothing to do with the government and I go right on man to go so that's also why you should let me own this shotgun and I should be able to smoke cigarettes in schools that's right I should be able to marry my ad-lupper in whatever maternity war I want. My taxpayer dollars paying for those nurses. And I go, ah, David, come on man.

All right, we're gonna leave it there folks. Thank you for joining us. And we'll see you over on the bonus episode. Bye-bye. Thanks everyone. Bye.