Boonta Vista - EPISODE 25: How Do You Solve A Problem Like Milorrhea

Episode Date: December 5, 2017

Folks, it is with regret that we must announce that tedious edgelord Milo is back in town. We dig into a question from a listener about why Milo receives so much attention from Australian media and the larger question of how he should be covered or if he should be covered at all. We also introduce our new segment "Nature Corner", apparently. We also cover Andrew Bolt's recent conversion to Wokeness. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes. _____________________________ iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista Ear Buds Network: earbudsnetwork.com

Welcome to Pontivista Socialist Club. I am Andrew and I'm here with Ben. I think I just fucked up your intro because an auto play video just started on a news article that I'd open. Was it porn? We're starting again? Oh no. I wondered what that was. No, let's leave it in there. What was it? It's texture. It was a fucking news.com. to come. A.U video which is the most shameful thing. Oh. Well here you are bumped back up to the first spot to be introduced which you made a big deal about last week. And you know we're going to be introduced, which you made a big deal about last week. And, you know, we're clearly going to have to demote you again.

Wait, I mean, how far down are you thinking? I don't want to be below Lucy. Interesting, that the boys have been first the last two weeks. That's all I'm saying. Just three boys on this podcast. Suddenly I'm last. It's just interesting. That's interesting to me. Second, here's Lucy.

Hi, this is Lucy in my MySpace second. In the top eight. Hello. Hi, Lucy. And apparently dead last this week, although not for long given what's just happened. We have Theo. It's fine. I'm fine. Not angry. You're not upset. Who's ready to do a quick 10 minutes about how much we don't like auto-playing videos on websites? I'll tell you what. Grines my gears. Gives me the sheep. What was that noise? What was that?

What was that? That was also in my apartment. Are you joking right now? Why would I be joking about that? That's what geckos sound like. Why would that be the first thing to come off my head for a weird noise? Oh, this would be a fun prank. There's a gecko thi- that that that that that that that thi that that that that thi that thi thi, that that that that thi, thi, thi, that that that that that that that that that that that that was also that that was also that that that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was also that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thooooooooooooooooooooooooooo that was also I was like, why does Ben ever squeaky to it? Did geckos make noises?

Yeah, so this was a thing that took me like five years to work out after I moved to Brisbane. I just assumed that like there were sparrows nesting in my roof. Because I lived in really horrible places where all the like surfaces were slowly rotting. And then someone was like, no, no, no, that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that, thi. That's thi. That's thi. That's thi. That's thi's thi's thi's the thi. the the the the thi. thi. there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's th. there's th. th. there's th. th. there's th. th. there's there's there's there's there's there's there's. there's. there's. there's. there's. there. there. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeeeeeeeeeeee. thi. the thi. thi. the there's a thi. there's there's like, no, no, that's a gecko, and you're a huge idiot. Oh, okay, cool. What the fuck? Well, there's a wonderful place. There's a lot of geckos that live in my apartment.

There's a one I've developed a particular bond with, and I just, I know it's him because he hangs out behind the same picture frame all the time. You'll scurry out for a moth. Go back in. Do you have a name? Greg. Nice name for a gecko. Hey, Greg. Friend of the show. Shout up, friend of the show, Greg.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but geckos are bigger than skinks, is that right? I think they get pretty big. Do gecko's tails come off like skinks do? Yes, yeah, 100% you rip them off? It sounds like we're talking about the same. I don't think we are. They seem the same. I'm googling skink right now. No, no, skinks are the, you know, they're the ones with the stripy ones. You know, stripy boys. Yeah, stripy boys. Yeah, geckos don't look like that. A little strippy boys. So that's been the nature corner. We all learned a little something about about some of the animals in festing Ben's apartment.

A bit about Queen's Day well. We could, this segment can keep going for a long time. Oh dear, now speaking of, speaking of cold-blooded animals, that, no wait this analogy doesn't work, I'm gonna immediately back that out. I was gonna start talking about Milo Eunopolis, but we, we like the gecko. You could have gone with, but I ain't spend any time on it, in my opinion. Yeah, that's true. That's true. All right well look we're just going to have to plow ahead with this now. As you may or may not know everybody's not favorite, not friend of the show, big tedious

shithead. Myloionopolis is in town, he's in Australia. As Ben put it in an article he wrote recently, what was the headline on that one, Ben? I believe that headline was a tedious Edge Lord Trots Out Stick in only country that hasn't told him to fuck off. Yeah, yeah. I feel like that sums it up. I feel like I did that pretty concisely. I was pretty proud of that. Yeah, although I should note that I was looking at that in a browser when I was reading it, which due to the size of the window, the big title up top said in country which is yet to tell him to fuck. Interesting. So just kind of trimmed the end there and made it a little weird. So part of the reason we bring this up, you see, you know, we were speaking about this

amongst ourselves and conveniently one of our listeners has previously written a question to us about this that we didn't get to answer last week. So friend of the show, Arca 90s asks, why is Milo on TV here and getting a tour after that Buzzfeed article and being outed as a pito apologist? Because we're the worst country in the world and the most racist and the worst. I think a lot of it has to the fact that Australian media is really, really desperate to have a narrative that's as dramatic as the clash between right-wing and left-wing protesters over a bunch of stuff over in America. But we don't really have that. We have nothing that's

that's exciting. We don't have these, you know, riot police beating people up and all that stuff. So this is their chance to be like, whoa, oh, shit's going down. And we, dangerous ideas. We still send the riot police. We send a hundred of them and then nothing happens and nobody, nobody fights each other and there's just loads of police everywhere. Oh, there was a fight tonight's one. Was there? But very satisfyingly, it was right-wing dudes that the police were pepper-spraying

and arresting. Obviously, fuck cops. But usually the optics on these confrontations are that it's been, you know, left-wing people goaded into getting into clashes with the right-wing dudes, and then, they've been the ones getting arrested and then the media spends the next 70 years being like, oh, leftists of violent scum who hate ideas. Well, it's funny you say that, then, because Andrew Bolt has already described the protests as violent.

Oh, and that's the headline that everyone is running with. And it's funny that, you know, that by, you know, a meeting, oh, you know, this wasn't actually from the left, it's a deliberate choice, I would say. Oh, extremely. Like, so you look at news.com. that he was reporting on it by saying, protesters clash outside, controversial white ring spooks, blah, blah, blah. The sub heading being, Melbourne was the scene of violent clashes. Again, not really pointing that it was that it, that it, that it, that it, that it, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Oh, thi. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thithe scene of violent clashes. Again, not really pointing that it was, you know, fascist violence. And then nine news ran with like violent protests happening. And again, there's no indication of where it's coming from, but it's always implicit that it's the people that are protesting Milo that are doing it. But in reality, it was dudes from, fucking, where is it?

Um, guys from... One of the racist groups? Oh, what's the group? The guy with the tall shirt. There's blue in the title, something blue. Yeah, not reclaim a choice. Patriot, Blue. Patriot Blue.

Pretter first. Where is it? I Oh no, it's not even them. Fucking. This is getting very confusing. We're all over here guys. We're a mess. We'll cut this. No, let's leave it in. It turns out that there are too many white nationalist groups in Australia for us to keep track. So this one is the true blue true blue blue blue true blue true blue true blue true blue true true blue true true true true. true. true. true. true. true. the true. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their their th. th. their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. the. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. So this one is the true blue crew, not to be confused with Patriot Blue, a Patriot Blue, which were themselves were like a split off from that, the other, the previous big one. Reclaim? Yeah, reclaim. Yeah, weren't they the more racist ones?

I don't know. They're all very racist. Hmm. They're all very racist. They're all extremely racist. Well, so, yeah, to answer that question in the micro, it is, yeah, obviously that Australia's media landscape is, I think, I think relatively immature compared to some other countries and quite often pretty much anybody who is known from outside of the country is considered a scoop and a big get and all that sort of thing. I don't understand things like, was it the Today Show or Summarias, whichever one has a Kocchi on it?

They... The chair sound? He's definitely putting a tea in there. I probably did. Hmm, interesting. Cochie. Am I meant to be saying cocky. That's the guy that we hold on love. Coch.

Coke. Well, I'm going to say this, I don't spend a lot of time watching anything with him on it so I pretty much only ever see it written. But Koch, Kocchi, everybody's friend, Koccio. Oh my god. Yeah, like they had an interview with Milo on their show and he came on and went, oh, I don't know about that. You sound like a bit of a dick ideas. And he went, oh, I don't know about that. You sound like a bit of a dickhead.

And then they just cut it off. It was like, was there nobody who could let you know beforehand that he was definitely a dickhead? And this was exactly what he was going to say. And they put on these fucking shithead, right wing people. And then it's like they they they they they th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, they, thi, thi, thu, thi, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they they they tho, tho, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they're, they, they, they're, they're, th. they're, th. they're, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, too. too. took, took, took, too. thooooooooo, thoooomo, that, that, and then Andrew O'Kee for Koshy's like, hmm, maybe you're a bit of an idiot and then it's like a big, ooh, controversy. Can we talk about the first big shots that he fired when he came to Australia? Oh yeah. It's the best thing in the world. So they had warmed up all of these articles being like, Milo, Yunopolis is here with his dangerous mind

to destroy Australia with his incredibly dangerous ideas. And then- Right-Wings Bad Boy. And then his opinion is, the opera house, not so good. It's like they ran a giant picture of it in, I think there was just him sitting in front of the opera house doing a thumbs down it's just the saddest image I've ever seen rack them so triggered like it's well it's built it we don't

really care it's just a pointy building that's got really bad acoustics it's not no one's gonna get be up about it. Yeah, so like it's a cultural touchstone, but who gives a fuck? Like if someone found it aesthetically displeasing, who cares? I'm sure there are shitloads of people who live in Sydney, you are like, nah, things a bit of an eyesore if you ask me, as people are about any, you know, public installation or building that is not a tall square. There's always going to be people who are not into it, but yeah, even the fact that, I mean, surely that just illustrates what his entire stick is, which is to show up and go, hmm, going to take a shot in the dark at something that I hope makes people mad or offend

he's just, he's Googled Australia. Been like, oh, they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their there there there there there there there there there there. There their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th thi thi thi thi thi thi thooooi thooooooooooooooo's thooooooooo' thoi thoi thoi thi th something that I hope makes people mad or offend them. He's just, he's Googled Australia. Been like, oh, they have some sort of opera house? All right, well, I can say that sucks and then see how that goes over. I don't like this whole Sydney thing you said. Buddy I got news for you. None of us do. None of us on this podcast too. It's right, none of us love the garbage city.

You're the one who chose to land there in a plane. Dumb idiot. If he'd show up and be like, hey, this is actually pretty cool. I think Ben and I'd be singing and going, you fuck. You must be silenced. What? Hmm, but no, he didn't. He clearly chose some incredibly lame shit to try and get it.

Like for him, he's just at the point now of like professional wrestling heel. Yeah. You know, he just sort of turns up and goes, uh, the things that you like in your country are dumb and bad to me. It sounds like Andrew that you're just insulting him and you're not willing to argue him on on his points using facts and logic and reason, which are the things that they like. You won't debate him. You won't debate him. And I think that just shows that we haven't got a leg to stand on really.

Add homonym to me. Hmm. It's true. I am in fact too cowardly to arrange a public time and place to debate Milo on his important positions like whether or not anyone should have intercourse with Clementine Ford or whether or not every single Muslim in the entire country should be deported to somewhere. He had another great color of opinion. really to the today. Really well thould out in the entire country who should be deported to somewhere. He had another great color of an opinion. Really well thought out intelligent opinions and positions of the ads.

One of these ones from Tonight's thing was apparently a joke that lit up the whole room, which which was, hey, it's time we admitted that Aboriginal art is bad. What are you doing, man? I guess the Opera House thing didn't work out, tried to get a bit more on PC. Didn't land like you wanted, yes. The targets that he's choosing are just, he's literally just googling things about Australia. That's all that it is. He's like, oh I saw some some sort of dot paintings going on I'll see if I say if they suck if people get up in arms. Well I assume it's just incredibly

unsubtle dog whistling to the crowd of like a you shouldn't have to value the culture of these people but like yeah it's just it's just all the laziest shit. What I can't understand is how much the the th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they try try try try to try try th th th the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they culture of these people. But like, yeah, it's just, it's just all the laziest shit. What I can't understand is how much of the time he has basically just said out loud, oh yes, I'm a provocateur, I just, I say things to get people razzed up, and people describe him as that in their own like writings about him and everything, which is fine if that's, if that's your fucking thing, th.... th, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, what I'm that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's about him and everything which is fine if that's if that's your fucking thing if that's your deal or whatever but I don't understand how so many people still treat him as though he is actually anyone to be listened to about any kind of issue of substance like to me once you've like does at what point do any of these people just like slow down and read the boy who cried wolf or

such a... I think they read anything because they're not very smart and their brains are not not good brains and that's why they like Milo. Yeah and also like Gigi Allen was a provocateur like Milo is just, he's their idea of a provocateur. Like, he's just the most milk toast, like, there's just nothing there. There was some nice piece of writing recently from a friend of the show, Jason Wilson, who writes for the Guardian stuff, but he had a piece on Alternet, which was from a couple of years ago, w-of-a, the, which was from a couple, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their, like, their their, their, he's their their their their the of the show Jason Wilson who writes for the Guardian stuff but he had a piece on Alternet which was from a couple of years ago when he went to

he went to a Milo show which didn't get protested and so it didn't get shut down or anything and he said yes you'd be surprised by how much it kind of takes it really sucks all the air out of the whole event when he doesn't have like a you know an opposing force there to point out and go, they don't want me to speak to you. And like instead he just gets to get up there and say what he wants and he was like it's incredibly boring and not really witty and there are like literally whole long stretches of his you know 45-minute talk or whatever that are just him rattling off people from the media and insulting them about their appearance or whatever.

It's facts and logic Andrew. Like I said there is a there isn't yeah there's no substance there's no actual anything he's talking about. He's just saying stuff like You're professors at this university at Kuntz and everyone goes ooh the sea word I hear a skink bar. That's a gecko, I'm gonna get a gecko, but yeah Jesus Christ. What are you got Andrew? Have you got kangaroos and shit up there? Oh, I it's plenty of kangaroos really. See a whole time. I used to see them in Canberra. Hmm. Uh, got a lot of spiders actually.

Ooh. Little spiders cruising around. I've got to act brave about them in front of the courts. You got bogong moths? Not too many moths. Elder is extremely not about moths. I'm not many moths. Elna, Elna is extremely not about moths. I'm not about moths either. I respect to moths.

So you just chose not to have moths? I'm more scared of moths than any other creature. Yeah, Elinor's very, very not into them either. One time we were walking along and like one of the, one of the big, really fluffy ones, came flying along and flew down her to........................ So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, so. So. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so, so. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so. So, so. So, so you. So, so you. So, so you. So, so you. So, so you. So, so you. So, so you. So, so you. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so, so. So, so. So, the. So, the. So, the. So, the. So, the. So, the. So, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to, the the to you, the the to you, I I, the the the the the to. to either. One time we were walking along and like one of the one of the big really fluffy ones came flying along and flew down her top. You got cucked by her mouth and fluffed around all all inside her top and they just popped out somewhere as she just freaked out the entire time. Yeah, see? You're getting the chills. I hate it. When I moved to Cambrus we went to the the rugby and there was a big fucking bogong bogong boggong bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo.. I I I I I I I I I I I. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I their. I their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I their. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. ttttoo. te. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. I the. the. the. the. the chills. I hate it. When I moved to Cambrus, we went to the rugby and there was a big, fucking Bogong moth. I didn't know they existed and I squealed at the rugby. It's very embarrassing.

To me, moths are the friendliest instinct, insect. That's what those are called. They're the nicest ones. All the worst are crawly. Moths are wise. Mots helped Gandalf. Have you seen the Lord of the Ring? It's a documentary. True. About the moths. Well, one moth. I don't know if that he's representative of the entire moth community, but certainly that moth was a good egg. And there you go, Lucy, you should be trusting all the off. I'll try in future.

So that was part two of the nature corner. Learning a little more today about us and our relationships with animals. But yes, to, yeah, like, like we're saying, in the sort of, in the micro, I think that Australia's media industry by and large is completely unable to resist talking to and putting on some kind of pedestal or at least a TV screen, someone who is just a known quantity of any kind from somewhere else in the world. I think that is one factor for us. But something else that we kind of want think that is one factor for us.

But something else that we kind of wanted to talk about and we've already been doing it, but is the sort of larger issue of how are you actually supposed to approach someone like Milo where, you know, on one hand, you can just say, well, just don't talk about them and, you know, just sucks all, they're like a bully if you ignore them, they'll go away. You know, what are the alternatives? You can ignore him, you can talk about them,

you can do what I think people keep trying to do, which apparently, Lucy and Theo keep recommending that I do personally somehow, which is, you know, engage with him and disprove his ideas by countering them with facts and logic. And you see- He doesn't have any ideas apart from Clementine Ford is not hot. Yeah, like, and, which, you know, you would have thought that again, all these fucking right-wing chuds who get on things like Twitter and say, oh, you resorted to an ad hominem, you've lost the argument. They were, Stephen Mullinow, not an argument, not an argument kind of shit, but they're perfectly happy to whoop it up at someone like Milo just where their entire act is just insulting

people. The thing, like the problem with that whole not an argument thing right is that their points can be disproven but I'm not like this is not an original thought I think it sort of goes in the scientific communities as well where it's like it's very very easy to put forward a bullshit theory, right? It takes five seconds to say say their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their problem their problem their problem their problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem the problem their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th th is th is th is th is tho tho thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thoooooooooooooooooooooo. their problem. thoo the problem. thi their problem. their th. It's very, very easy to put forward a bullshit theory, right? It takes five seconds to say something like all Muslims should be deported, right? And it takes hours and hours to actually disprove that, right? Like, if your whole thing is trying to disprove stuff on, or, you know, prove stuff or whatever on good faith, and the other side's just making bad faith arguments the whole time you'll never keep up you'll like address one thing and they've

already gone down you know ten steps down the road it's never it's pointless right like no one wants to be in that fucking on that treadmill just like debunking their bullshit because no one cares no one's listening. Well that's that's also what got Australia to the position it's in with with policy around climate change. Yes, exactly. Yeah, climate change is a perfect example because no one, no one will listen. And if you go, well, here's the facts in the figures, right? They go, well, the figures are made up on that.

You're not going to listen to the to the actual facts. So why why bother with those with those people? You have to keep going forwards on what is what is true and right, independent of that, right? You know, you want to talk about climate change. You don't talk about it in the way of, of like, in the frame that they want you to put it in. You just talk about it, right in, in, in, in, in, in what, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is, in what is th is th is th is th th th th th th th th th tho, tho, tho, tho, with tho, with tho, with th those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those th those th those th those th those th those th those th those th th those th th th those th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th those th those th those th those th those tho is, tho is tho, tho, tho, tho, that is that, that, that, that, that, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooo is tho, in the way of like in the frame that they want you to put it in. You just talk about it, right, in what is true and real and whatever. And it's the same thing with all these bullshit right-wing arguments, you know, we know that they're not true, and I don't think, yeah, you should really address them in the way that they frame it. Well, part of the issue though is that for people like that and for people like say,

dearly departed Senator Malcolm Roberts, formerly of Pauline Hanson's One Nation, now just sitting in a room somewhere, just sadly fashioning an array of tinfoil hats for himself. Yeah, like with him, he got far, far too much airtime and decency from people attempting to counter the sort of stuff you're talking about, Theo, of him, of, you know, like, having like the head researchers from CSIRO come before him in Senate estimates and say, all right, here's our decades of research on this stuff and all of our scientific methods of measurement and everything, and he says, nope.

But prove to me to my satisfaction that it's not all a thing you made up, which is obviously like immediately moving the goalposts about 800 miles away. It's exactly like that. I think it's a day-to-day sketch about how people hire stupid people to have th th th th the the their their to have their to have their their their to have their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tho their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, th. their, th. th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. thoes, thoes, thoooooooooooes, thooooooes, thoooooes, thooes, thoes, their, their, the. the goalposts about 800 miles away. He's exactly like that. I think it's a day-to-day sketch about how people hire stupid people to have arguments for them, like to get out of fines or whatever. Like you literally can't beat him because he's too stupid to understand any argument you put forth or to understand how anything reflects in his reality. There's like, like hundreds of pages of hands-s Hansard transcripts of him arguing with those CSRO dudes, and they're all like, oh, well no, it's quite simple, why that's not the case?

And he's like, well, why isn't it the case? Well, that's what I, it's literally like. And they just break down to going, like, I don't know what you want from me. Yeah. Please release me from this hell. I've seen a quote from one of those scientists. It might have been from some of the some of the documents that I've seen released over the years of from the time before he was a senator when he would just spend all of his time harassing and haranging climate scientists at universities and in their offices by sending them endless correspondence and demanding answers to his

questions. And yeah, at least one of them wrote back to him saying, I could give you these answers, but you're clearly not interested in them and I doubt you're going to understand them anyway. There's clearly something that you're trying to get me to say. I'm not going to say, let let let let let let let let let let let let's the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their to their to to their to their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. the. to. to. their. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. doubt you're going to understand them anyway. There's clearly something that you're trying to get me to say. I'm not going to say, let's not bother doing this whole dance. But I would say as well that that's a different type of person to what we're describing in my Leionopolis where, you know, people like Malcolm Roberts and people who have gone too far down their collective like Pizza Gate and climate change holes and all that sort of stuff, they're Benghazi bunkers.

Once you get far enough into that kind of conspiracy theorist stuff, you can find information that will confirm anything that you've been told or anything you think or whatever, and you can just kind of keep dredging up weird, unsupported, unverified things and saying, ah, thi, th-and, th-and, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and all thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, been told or anything you know you think or whatever and you can just kind of keep dredging up weird unsupported, unverified things and saying, ah this kind of supports that deal. Whereas Milo on the other hand I think is the difference with him and the difficulty is that he is not approaching anything that he's saying or doing from a position of good faith or from the, yeah, from the idea that he's like actually trying to make an argument. Like we said, it could not be more transparent from his trip to Australia that he literally arrives and says, what can I say to make the populace of here the most, yeah, what can I say to make the populace of this country mad at me? Nothing's like I'm trying, I'm to to to to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to promote to make to promote to make to make to make to make to make to make the most, yeah, what can I say to make the populace of this country mad at me? Nothing's like I'm trying, I'm trying to promote dangerous ideas or I'm trying to get, you know, just asking questions, I'm trying to get people to debate stuff. He admits as much himself

that he, that he just says things to get a rise out of people, just to make people man, make people arguing and stuff and that's what he relishes. I don't understand it. And like his fans genuinely believe the shit that he says, which is the dangerous part about it. Which is why I think we're having an issue of you know should we not let him speak or should we debate him and I don't really know what the right answer is. Hmm. I don't know, I kind of feel like... I think it's one of those things though where like people are... It is a really trite response to just be like, if you ignore him, it'll go away. Because I think eventually that's maybe true, but at the same time, there is a really large mobilization of people that do support him that have the worst fucking opinions in the world.

And I think you kind of have a duty as like someone that lives in a, you know, multicultural, whatever country. If you've got someone who's been giving all the time and attention in the world saying these horrible fucking things about people that live here and you know deserve to live here and whatever. There is some responsibility to vocally be like no we don't agree with that. We won't accept having someone here say that like I don't know. I think there is, just letting it all slide. It just seems irresponsible in a way. Hmm.

Yeah, I agree with that in that, you know, very much what you're saying and not only does, not only, you know, do you sort of have a moral obligation to say, this is not really what we're into. Partly it's about, you know, speaking on behalf of the, thanks, I don't know, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I don't thin, I thin, I th thin, I thin, I thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, th thin, thin, th thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th thin, a moral obligation to say, this is not really what we're into. Partly it's about, you know, speaking on behalf of the society that you're a part of and saying, hey, you know, we're, you know, largely speaking, we belong to a society that believes in, you know, tolerance and acceptance of people who are different to you and everything and to have somebody coming in and saying, deport every Muslim that you've got and feminism is a form of brain cancer and all this sort of shit, people should be standing up and saying, that's really not how we do things, but not just as an expression of this is what this society is about, but I think also in a way that can be seen by the marginalized groups that he's targeting, I think it's really important

for, I think it's really important for some of those groups to actually see people standing up and going, uh-uh, you know, let's let's not have you talking about these people like this, because like you said it is really tried and easy to say ignore this person then then then then then thu thu thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean th. Because like you said, it is really tried and easy to say, ignore this person and they'll go away. You know, ignore this person and they'll only have 200 people turn up for this shitty uni talk and no one will really care and eventually the attentional drift off. And that is a very, very compelling idea, particularly considering that you just know that is a very, this is a very compelling idea, particularly considering that you just know that any time there is a hundred riot cops out there and people punching

on in the street outside of his thing, that he is going to be loving it because it's news, its attention, he gets to say, yep, everywhere I go, people freak out because my ideas are so dangerous and all this sort of shit. But yeah, it does make you wonder, like if, like I said, if you're part of the Muslim population of Australia and this guy comes through talking about that sort of shit and it goes completely unchallenged and unremarked upon, what signal does that send to you as a member of a society.

We absolutely ban like Muslim hate preachers from events and stuff like that here like there's plenty of times that that's happened but we allow this stuff to happen but you know Milo acts on this whole idea of you know everyone's so PC everyone wants you to be silenced and that's what they he feeds off in people and so I don't know how effective it is to ban th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th to ban th th th th th to ban th th th th th th th to ban th th th the the to to to the their to to the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat. theeeeeeeeeat. theeeeeeee. the. the. I the to wants you to be silenced and that's what they, he feeds off in people. And so I don't know how effective it is to ban him from things, but it's also not effective to just ignore it. So, I don't know. I'm a centrist on this one.

Well, yeah, it is really, I think it is really genuinely difficult to know what is the right way to approach it. I think, reporting it from th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thoe thoe thoe thoomoomoomoom. I don't thoom. I thoe thoe thoe thoe thoe thoe th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho tho thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. I to it is really genuinely difficult to know what is the right way to approach it. I think, approaching it from like, I think reporting on him and the shit that he does, does have some value, and I think protesting him does have some value, but I think it definitely needs to be centered more from a position of ridicule than from taking him with any level of seriousness. Like, all he is dudes to start fights out the front of his things, but like all it should be is like, you know, a thousand people gather outside and just laugh at every single person that walks into that fucking amphitheater or whatever, uh, because they deserve it, because they are useless, useless people doing something that is just like so devoid of any merit.

Like, you know, that's the thing with him is that he's not really a dude putting forth an argument. He's literally just going out there to piss people off to no other end. Like, that's not a belief system. That's just you being a cunt. Well, it's the same sort of thing that people have been talking about with a lot of the rise of the alt-light and alt-right and everything is that so much of it is just grievance politics, so much of it is just about, so much of it is just about saying, hey, as long as I can cause offense to somebody I consider my political opponent, I will consider that a victory.

I don't have to agree with the thing, I don't have to believe it, I don't even have to care about it. But, you know, just as long as somebody gets mad, that's good enough for me. As long as a lib gets triggered. Should we start ignoring Milo now? I guess. We could just kill him. We could. What have we just shot him with a gun?

We can't talk about these anymore. We can't, we can't go here again? We can't talk about these anymore. I can't go here again. I just don't think that, um, I don't think that the Crown Pass is going to cover this. What I'm saying is, this isn't like some sort of, if you kill him, more will spring up in his place type deals. There really is only one. You just shoot him and then he's gone. Just saying.

There'd be another, there'd be another type of him, surely. Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same one. It'd be a different one. Yeah, like there have been other bad, uh, right winged cartoonists. thrown that way. right-wing cartoonists, but nothing as bad as Bill Leak has sprung up in his place. I think Lunig's loonig's going that way. Oh, he's trying. Did you guys see?

I tweeted, did Lunig fall off a balcony, and everyone linked me to this article where he, like, hit his head. Very recently, like, that's a genuine thing that happened, and then he started becoming more cooks. I think this is an important theory to build on. We should run an awareness campaign on this, just like making sure cartoonists wear helmets at all time to avoid getting accidentally racist. To avoid becoming racist. Um, racist. Can I read to you a segment of this article from Jason Wilson about about Milo's speech at DePaul University? So this was this is just the part I was talking about where he says and I quote from this piece I'll link to this this in the in the episode description.

On his current campus tour, alleged threats to his free speech in the back and forth between Euronopoulos and his antagonists have been the only thing sustaining interest in the whole enterprise. I know because I attended a Milo event at which there was no left reception committee, when he appears unchallenged the Milo show as the dampest of squibbs.. challenge the Milo show is the dampest of squibs. At the University of Oregon where I saw him it was not clear that he was especially grateful for the platform or the lack of interruptions. Quote, your professors are cunts on the whole, he tells the mostly student audience in an almost full auditorium, limp-risted, pacifistic sandal-wearing weirdos. It goes on like this

for hours. The epithets are relentless and the provocations are artless. Without hostile interruptions, Zionopoulos' act, which unfortunately relies entirely on him speaking, is a one-note affair. The Oregon engagement begins, like the others, with a one-on-one interview. Tonight his interlocutor is co-president of the local branch of Young Americans for Liberty, who are sponsoring the evening. Then comes an open question and answer session, and Milo finishes up by giving fans and opportunities to take selfies with one of the rights rising stars. But right now, that's a long way off. First we have to wade through the red

pill boilerplate that constitutes Milo's political views. Quote, there's an assault in this country, he informs his interviewer on straight white men, waged by middle class women and cucks. In this case, the latter is being used to describe male feminists who, quote, don't need to be castrated, they've done it themselves. Wow. Moving on to rape culture, which he considers a myth, he asks with a theatrical moan, is there anything worse than consent? Wow, that's real logic and facts going on here. Hmm, these opinions are odious, of course, but in another way all utterly banal. Most adults will find Ianopouls' show exactly as transgressive as a dirty joke told by a racist uncle.

He wants desperately to cause deep offense to the left and with some campus-based comrades he clearly succeeds. Others will struggle to muster an eye roll. I've heard Pythia put downs of progressives on Australian barstals. But yeah, so that one really sort of leapt out of me as far as a, as far as the, you know, if people don't actually turn out and give him what he wants, which is the combat, then all of a sudden it just completely sucks all the steam out of it, and th... th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. I the th. I the, and you, and you, and you, and you, the, to, the, thi, I, I' the, I' the, I' the, I' the, I' the, I' the, I'-a, I've the, I've the, I'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a'-a, I'-a, I'-a, I'-a, I'-a, I'-a, I'-a, I'-a, I, I, I, I'................ I, I, I, I, I'-a, I, I'-a, th. th. th. th. th, th. th. the, the, thi, the, thi, the, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. the, the, the, the, the combat, then all of a sudden it just completely sucks all the steam out of it and you're left with just a dude saying, left-wing people are cucks and baiters, and they are triggered by... That's it though I think the ridicule angle. It's like, I think we all do it when some fucking dumb shit idiot on Twitter replies to us. And the most fun thing to do is just the to it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, is to just to just to to just to to to to to to to to to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their th and you their their their, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you to to to to to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just thi thi thi thi thi thi some fucking dumb shit idiot on Twitter replies to us.

And the most fun thing to do is just make fun of them constantly until you realize how stupid they are and they don't realize that they're being owned. But I think that's the most effective way to deal with an insane right-wing person is to just make fun of them. I love to just sustain the idea that I don't understand what's happening in my interaction... And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to do to do to do to do to do to do thi thi to do to do to do to just to just to just to just to just to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to just make one of them. I love to just sustain the idea that I don't understand what's happening in my interaction with them. Yeah we all do that. It's so much fun. Yeah it's really good how long a person will go on for. God I know. But uh so should we all all are we all taking this interest angle? I think we should talk about Milo. I think we should shit on him. But yeah, I don't think think we th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th think we think we think we think we think we think we think we think we think we should think we should think we should think we should think we should think we should th Milo, but just to shit on him. But yeah, I don't think we should debate him because it's very clear that people like him

are honestly not interested in any kinds of facts or statistics or anything logical. Yeah, I think the last thing that he wants is to be seen as boring, which he is. So I think the more muted the reaction probably the better, just in the think the more muted the reaction, probably the better, just in Milo's case. I think we should shoot him with a gun. I agree. I agree. I agree. Hmm. Hmm. Lucky there are no guns. I have several guns. I won't agree. Stop that. Federal Police. I do not have any guns. I've never even seen a gun. I don't know. I've never heard of Ben before. We just happened to me on this podcast. I didn't, no, I didn't consent to this. I'm not called Bead. My name is, uh, James.

Uh, uh. Kennecy. Microphone, and I don't live in Brisbane. Very smooth, very smooth, guys. You've, um, you've covered up the evidence of your premeditated crime perfectly. Uh, so moving on, now that we've spent the vast majority of the show talking about geckos and Myelo Eionopoulos. Now that we've spent the vast majority of the show talking about geckos and my only Annapolis We should we should cover a couple of other little things We had we had a nice bit of news during the last week or so that we didn't get to cover which was News coming from a friend of the show buzz feeds Lane Sainty

Had a bit of breaking news from last week, which was that the family court has ruled the trans teenagers no longer need to go to court for hormone treatment if the child and the parents and the doctor agree. Yeah, fantastic. Good. Good. I feel like maybe you and me did mention that at some point, There. No, was on the list. I don't think we got to it. Oh good.

Well, there you are, folks. We just wanted to acknowledge a bit of good news. Imagine good news. It doesn't happen often. Picture good news in mind. There it is. I can't think of any other good news recently. Think of the children, but in a horny way. Think of the trans children getting a break.

I wasn't implying that. Also, just generally, well, thanks for ruining it, guys. Thanks, Lucy. Wow. I'm sorry. Anyway. Anyway. I was just going to say, just if you don't already, you should be very closely following

Lane Sainty's work. She's good. She is by far the most hard-working journalist focused on queer issues in Australia and she's, yeah, just absolutely phenomenal work all the time. If you want to kind of, I think, see her work in a nutshell, there's her like 14-point rebuke of Miranda Devines like moral outrage on the trans issues, basically outline point by point why conservative commenters have no idea about either the legal or the medical issues involved with trans kids today so she's doing good work.

So very, very epic take-own of Miranda's mind that one. Yeah, no, I completely agree with that Lane does incredible work. You can follow her on Twitter at Lane Sainty. You can see all of her work in BuzzFeed. She's often live tweeting lots of the goings-on in Parliament House. So please do, please do follow her. Please do tell her that we said hello and we think she does amazing work. As does Alice Workman, who's been also from BuzzFeed, who's been breaking some very large stories over the last couple of weeks. Yeah, I think if anyone's making fun of Buzzfeed still in 2017, I don't know, maybe it's an American thing, but in Australia they are doing amazing work. Yeah, they seem to be doing like actual

journalism that doesn't involve just giving quiet favor risties to politicians in hallways and going, just slip me a little bit of info. If you feel like it, but if you don't, it's no biggie. Yeah, they made a relatively quick pivot from like two years ago doing dumb shit. Pretty fluffy listicles doing stuff that was like weirdly like try to rehabilitate like Philip Ruddick's image and stuff. To, now they're like like. That was very strange.

And now they're like at the opposite end of the spectrum from like all of the cushy access journalism that everybody else does. Well there's like Alice, yeah Alice Workman's stuff that she's producing seems to be produced like also eliciting a very strong reaction of that's not how's producing seems to be produced, like also eliciting a very strong reaction of, that's not how this is supposed to work from politicians. You didn't go through the proper channels. That's right. You didn't get fed your leak from the Sherry Marxist media pool.

Which, that actually probably serves as a pretty good segue into Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So good, which I think, yeah, it just demonstrates. probably serves as a pretty good segue into the Bolt saga. Oh, so good, which I think, yeah, it just demonstrates what the proper channels are. Which bolt saga? Are we talking about how Bolt's good now? No, no, no, this is kind of both good and bad. The snake is eating itself. Okay. Wait, hold on. Just very briefly, what was, oh, the Bolt, being good was Bolt, shitting all over Lunig's stupid cartoon.

He did, but he also had a- Because that was fucking phenomenal. I'll look that up. It was so funny. But he also did, he wrote an article about, uh, I have to apologize to women because I was wrong about everything. And I was kind of like, yeah, yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the balt, the balt, the bolt, the balt, the bolt, the bolt, the bolt, the bolt, the, the, the, the, the apologize to women because I was wrong about everything. And I was kind of like, yeah, it was literally like, oh, all these revelations of sexual harassment. Maybe I was wrong about everything and maybe if there were quotas in the workplace, all this shit like Don Burke wouldn't have happened.

What? And not to add another thing to the pile, but he previous to that, put in an article saying, hey, maybe lay off the transphobia. Yeah. What the hell? Someone commented on it saying, hey, you know, it seems pretty obvious that Andrew Bolt actually knows a trans person. And this is the only way that you can really get through to Conservatives is through learned experience.

So yeah, it's very interesting. But no, I think still on the whole he's still a huge piece of shit. Oh, it's a piece of shit. But something's going on. I reckon Bolt's in love. Something's going on in his life. He's happy, having a happy time. But please read this quote. It's just so good.

So this was following on from the Lunig article from the weekend, which was very ominously posted from the ages Twitter account being like, Lunig's take on the royal wedding dot, very funny, dot. It wasn't. And it's, like at best best a generous reading of it is that it's fucking nonsense and at worst is that it's a weird nonsense slippery slope argument thing about marriage equality which he's already taken umbrage with but whatever it was it was complete garbage. This is just the headline

of the subheading from Bolt's article about it. How does Looting's Trash get published? How did the age come to run this Michael Looning cartoon? A fear of getting some joke it didn't understand. A contractual obligation. Fear of upsetting this strange man. Well, I really enjoyed that somebody pointed out that he could have just been describing himself. Why do they run this guy's stuff? Are they worried about upsetting him?

I feel like Bok come over to this side. I reckon he's got the potential. Oh, you reckon he'll do the... Andrew Bolt, welcome to the resist. The rare late stage lefty confirmism. Yeah, very late stage. I think Andrew Bolt's coming. I feel like he's maybe he's gone through a divorce, he's met someone else.

He's feeling happy with his life. He's suddenly to get big into Reiki. Yeah. Exactly. We're wearing lots of flowing white-littered clothes and sandals. He's probably gotten vegan. Buying a house in Nimbun. Selling his house in Nimbon so he can live on a yacht.

Andrew, if you're listening, we'll embrace you. You can come on over. Honestly, we'll forgive every bad thing you've done. Just become a big, Pinko, lefty boomer. Yep. We'll accept you because we're lefties and we're all about feelings. All about the tolerance. All about tolerance. And of course, we will really enjoy the massive aneurysm that Miranda Divine would have. Don't? Yeah, they hate each other, right?

Is it Bolt Divine that hate each other? Is it Bolt and Rita that hate each other? I think... I think Divine... I don't know. I'm pretty sure they all hate each other. Well, Divine's normally on Mark Latham's shows. I don't know how Latham and Bolt feel about each other. But Latham's never on the Bolt show.

They've had clashes, according to this Google search I've done. Interesting. But yeah, I'm pretty sure they've, they don't get along very well. Look, we'll put together a little flow chart. Who hate to? It'll be like leftist Twitter. Who hates who? Who doesn't talk to who? I like and talk to everyone. Me too, because I'm a pussy ass bitch.

Except for that time you stood up for a pixelated boat, but let's not... Yeah, people, yeah, that was a fun time. I like boat. Let's not re-ash that. I'm sure. Me too. He's a nice boy, and his name is also Ben-Irugn, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. him as I do with all bands. It's the closest link you can move. Let's not get into leftist.

Benito Mussolini. He's the one bed with whom I've never felt any infinity. Would you call Mussolini Ben? I don't think anyone's ever called him Ben. I don't think they did. I don't think Ben's a name in Italy. Oh, Benny's here with the beers. Yeah. I think Ben's a name in Italy. Oh, Benny's here with the beers. Yeah. All right, we gotta talk about this fucking article.

I need someone to further explain to me a scenario where Benito Mussolini would casually surprisingly rock up to something with some beers. Yeah. Oh, Benny's here with the Peroni's. Oh, okay. No, now I can see it. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Some, no, no, I think we can probably leave it there.

So, of course, even though Lucy has invited Andrew Bolt to join the left wing. I have. Formal invitation joined the left wing, but he has not accepted yet, which means that we can still publicize. Like a frat party type thing. Yeah, you want to haze, you want to haze you. There's going to be like, deal-do it and like... Yeah, you have to suck one dick. You have to take hard-earned money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money to to to to their to their to to to their their to to, you have to take hard-earned money off a wealthy person

and you need to tear pages out of the Bible. While wearing a dress. Yeah. It's very American while drinking a beer bong out of Theo's ass. So of course, because he has not accepted, he has not pledged to the left yet, which means we can still publicize a recent incident of one of our favorite types of events, which is conservatives accidentally and unconsciously hugely owning themselves on the public stage. Who would like to explain this one? I can give it a crack.

So, Bolt publicized that through, you know, secret sources an MP has twice told him that said MP will be resigning if Turnbull or Bishop RPM at the end of the month. This is from a few days ago. And I think someone asked George Christensen on Sky News whether, Samantha Maiden of Sky News, asked him whether he was the MP that they were referring to and all Georgie Boys gone, no, it wasn't me. But it turns out it was him and he had just fed the story. Hey, don't use my name. Just say an anonymous MP has said this and just, you know, we'll

get some anti-turnbull stuff going, which, you know, of course, Andrew Bolt has regurgitated immediately, as also gave that to Peter Credland, who is now a media figure for reasons that are just beyond my understanding. And then as soon as he burned Andrew Bolt, Andrew Bolt, burned him as a source right back, saying, hey, no, actually it was you, and this is exactly what you've done, which is so bizarre to me because he's just sort of pulled his own pants down. Yeah, sir. I've gone like, look at what you've done and just, I don't, I don't understand his end game here because he's embarrassed himself more than he has George Christensen, but they all look

bad. The thing about this, it's really just, the thing that stuck with me is how shameless these people are about operating as machinery for politicians. Like so, in the article Andrew did after Christensen told him that he'd fucked him basically, he goes, Nationals MP, George Christensen privately told me, Peter Crudlin and Corriddy, that he'd fucked him basically. He goes, Nationals MP, George Christensen privately told me Peter Credlin and Corrie Barnardy that he would quit the Turnbull if Malcolm Turnbull was still prime minister this week. He authorized the government to spread the word without using his name hoping to create

maximum pressure on Turnbull. Authorized. Like, hmm, he has allowed me to say these things in public. It's so transparently act out a a a a a a a a to act. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, P. to, P. to, P. to, P. to, P. to, P. to, P. to, P. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to, toe. to, to, to, to, to, toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. toe me to say these things in public. So transparently act out a very specific political agenda in favor of whatever they want to have going on. And you know, it's he's a columnist, not a journalist, although all of these colonists pretend like they are journalists. But still just that idea of just being like, oh, you know, I was just doing this, this thing because I wanted specifically this to happen. I don't know. It's just terrifying how not at all embarrassed by this they are. Well, yeah, like you said, there is the whole transparency of it. And there was that recent incident of Alice Workman again when she was uncovering that whole story about Michaela Cash and

her staff are leaking that story about the raid against the Union to the media and yeah and in the course of that Sherry Markson who is now the editor of the Daily Telegraph. Is that correct? Wow. Is she? Probably. I think she's just the editor now, the straight-up editor. Wow. And she was talking about how it was a, you know, it was a dark day for journalism because people had just gone and said stuff about staffers in the media without them, you know, saying whether or not you should say.

She was basically saying, oh, somebody revealed their source or gave away something. A politician didn't want given away. She's like, that's why none of you lowly pleb journalists will ever get the cabinet leaks or any of that sort of stuff. Those people were like, great, so you're just a mouthpiece for senior government officials. So you'll, you'll, like, it's like you're saying, man, I don't understand how somebody could not be embarrassed by essentially admitting very, very publicly, oh, I would never publish something that would embarrass a senior member of the government because that

might stop that member of the government from hand-feeding me pieces of information that they want broadcast to the public. It's it doesn't matter whether those things are true. It doesn't matter whose agenda those things serve as long as I get to put them in the paper and write exclusive in the little bold all caps font that they do in the newscorp papers. Yeah, it is an absolutely fucked way of looking at journalists. But again, so they just completely, she felt perfectly fine defending, well no, attacking what Alice Workman did exactly on those terms. That was it. She was just like, well, they won't give you any other stories. Well, you're actually, you're a journalist. You're meant to find these stories. You're not not a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the the the the new. the new. the new. the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th, you're actually, you're a journalist. You're meant to find these stories. You're not a PR person.

Well, we may have spoken about this on the show when it happened, but, um, the part of Sherry's reasoning for this, uh, for saying it was bad, was being like, oh, you know, they're a whistleblower leaking this information. And so they shouldn't have been reported or identified, which I don't believe the workman's story did actually identify them anyway, but like, they're not a whistleblower. They're not, they're not revealing any secret machinations that are going on because they think they're bad or anything. This was someone from inside the office, doing the office and the government a favor. You know, the leak itself was the story. It's not like they were leaking other confidential information. I don't know. It's just a fucking bat shit way. It's not like they were telling the union, look out guys, they're

going to run a raid to make sure. Yeah, it's fun like they were doing that. Yeah, it's, it's... Well, the funny thing about the Bolt thing is that it wasn't even a leak. There's one step, like, even further removed from that, where it was just one MP just winging. Yeah, what are you? Like, oh, inside sources. Like, no, no one gives a sceit. And like, Bolt had a very specific rebuke to Catherine Murphy who said basically exactly that. Like no one gives a shit if an MP's, like if a MP that no one cares about is having a bellyache.

Like that's not a source, that's not a leak. This is boring. And so Andrew Bolt kind of said, well, oh, you just watch. But the fun thing I think coming out of this is that the MP gave a one month kind of deadline when Andrew Bolt said, oh, you just watched that was when he and he said, tick, tick, tick. That was on November 25th. So one month from that day, I assume we're all going to be unwrapping a Christmas present of George Christensen resigning. Or Andrew Bolt being made to look like a huge fool.

I will take it up. They both sound good. Yep. Well, and you would also hope that maybe in the course of owning himself publicly that Andrew Bolt has fallen on his sword and helped expose George Christensen as being all-mouth and know whatever the other thing is. All-mouth and no dick? I don't know. I bet he is all-mouth. No whip, I believe. I bet he is all-mouth if you get what I'm saying. Come on now, Lucy. It's not very work. The man-

Don't talk about a blowjob. Oh, right, okay. In that case, that's fine. Yeah, because like we're saying, people shouldn't be mouthpieces for the government to help them, what put pressure on other members of their own government that they are a part of. No, it seems bad. Yeah, and hopefully, hopefully other journalists will say, ah, well if George Christensen

tells you something that doesn't mean anything anyway, this is not going to do it. We can only hope, we can only have people stop listening to George Christensen talk about anything really. Hmm. Ideally. And people will stop listening to George Christensen talk about anything really. Hmm. Hmm. Ideally. And on that note, we are going to wrap it up. We are ourselves are going to practice what we preach and also stop talking. I will never. Even once the microphone switched off, I will be talking alone in my apartment. I'll be posting. To the geckos. I won't stop posting. To Greg and his friends. But Lucy will never stop posting. And the new brood of turkeys in your side yard. A fresh season of turkeys, as we say.

Just, can we, can we just clarify that you're being serious about the animals in Queensland, geckos? And turkeys? 100% to to the geck the geck to their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the geck. the geck. the geck. the to to the to to the to to to to geckos. to get to get to get geckos. I to to get geckos. I'll to get to get to get to get to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to g g g g g g g. I to g g g g g. I to g g g. I to g g. I to g. I to g. I to g. I to g. I to g. I to g. I to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the. the the. the the the. the the the the thecoecoe. the. to to to the to to the to to to to the animals in Queensland, there's geckos and turkeys? 100%. Yeah, bush turkeys. The beautiful noble ones. Do you honestly have bush turkey in Queensland? Do you not have to have them in Victoria? I've seen a bush turkey when I've been out in the outback, but I, do you have...

They're not just cruising around like... Did they just hang out? Yeah, like literally every time I go to Ben's house, a bush turkey walks up to the window. There's like 10 that live in a like 2 meter by 4 meter area of scrub next to my apartment, which seems like I have an unfeasible amount to be able to survive in there, but they're all in there. They are, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're they're they're they're all, th thi, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that that that that that that that that they're not they're they're they're they're they're they're that they're that thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, th but they're all in there and they love getting all up in my shit. Life finds a way. There did we, did we leave with me when I saw the little baby one the other day? Yeah yeah that's what I'm talking about. There's a new there's a new basket of breathings. He was little it was very adorable. They're cute. And that was the third installment of the Nature Corner. That's not the, I've th. I the the their th. I their th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was thatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheathe. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. th. th. thee. the. thee. theee. the. the. the of the Nature Corner. That's not the, when I finish, I have bats at my house. I went outside my house and there was a bat hanging from my railings

and it made me very upset and scared. Until I googled bats and I realized it was a fruit bat, and it's very harmless and will not hurt me. That's my story. I had a friend who lived at a guy's place which is in such disrepair that all the walls filled with bees and then bees started coming out of the powerpoints and then one and he would send him these messages like oh man so sorry about the bees. And then the bees started slowly disappearing and they're like, oh that's good. They realized that that was because there was a family of bats in the ceiling that were eating all the bees.

Wow. Wow. Wow. That's the circle of life. Speaking of roof animals, just briefly, one of my friends had a marvelous thing happened at her house in Melbourne when all the big rains are around at the end of last week. She's in like a shitty cheap hairhouse, the sharehouse that's falling apart. And during the heavy rains, a hole started to form in a roof and then a hole just sort of collapsed through and then a kitten fell out onto her bed. And they named it asbestos and they keeping it. Wow, that's the most Melbourne story I've ever heard.

It's pretty great. Oh, good. That's good. Okay, so are we actually, are we actually done with Nature Corner? My neighbors have a crime. All, that's a crime. All right, folks. Well, all right. Folks.

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