Boonta Vista - EPISODE 29: Apex Gang, Hunter Valley Sub-division (Featuring @mattvbrady)

Episode Date: January 10, 2018

We have a major scoop this week as Friend Of The Show and leader of the Apex Gang Matt Brady joins us to talk about the gang's latest hijinks. We discuss how the Apex Gang is covered in the news, Nelly Yoa and Pixelated Boat's Gorilla Channel. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes if that's your thing. _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Puddin-Vista Socialist Club, episode 29. I'm Andrew, and I'm here with Theo. Hi, Theo. Theo's number one today. It's nice. It's nice that a man is first for once. That is nice, actually. Finally.

I like for this to now be a constant power struggle. I'm very into it. We also have, of course, Lexi. And joining us, joining us once again is a return guest of the world famous leader of the Apex gang, Matt V. Brady. Hello, I'm coming at you live from the Apex Clubhouse. I hoped you would call in from there and give us some of the secrets, some of the secrets behind the operations of, you know, the most dangerous and absolutely real and gigantic gang in the country.

I'd say in the world, most feared organized crime, organization in the world is what we like to think of ourselves as. Yeah, well it's more of a local cell here. Yeah, I'm just the Chancellor of like the Hunter Valley regional unit. Do you guys have jackets? We've got jackets, we got bowling shorts. Yeah, nice. Shirts, I mean, of course. I'm definitely sober. What is, what's monogrammed on your jacket?

It just says my name, just Matt and under it. It just says like Chancellor, Hunter Subdivision Apex Gang. So you know obviously we had some questions for you. We had an important questions about this because the gang that you are the boss of the Hunter Valley Subdivision of has been featuring pretty prominently in the news at the moment and you know you know, we really want to pick your brain about it. I wanted to ask, for example, what initiation you had to go through when you joined the Apex gang? Well, as most people know, the Apex gang is, some would say it's a race-based gang. I don't think that's true. I am, in fact, the only white person in it, probably because they just thought I was cool,

you know. And I thought you could show me. A think to think. A lot of people think there's like a jumping in ceremony, you know, where like all the guys gather around and beat you up. But it was actually just a nice firm handshake and gave me my membership card, the Wi-Fi password. And I was in. It's pretty simple. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just, it's just just just just, it's just just, it's just, it's just just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just cool, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool, th. It's cool, it was cool, it, it, it was cool. It's cool. It's cool, it's th. It's th. It's just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just really really really really really really really really really, it's pretty simple, it's pretty simple, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just a thi. It's just, it's just a thi. It's just a thi. It's just a thi, it's just, it's pretty simple and it gave me my membership card, the Wi-Fi password, and I was in. It's pretty simple really. Yeah, I think that whole initiation thing is really just more of an urban legend.

People think that everyone gets around in a ring and beats you, but it's actually just a nice round of firm back padding from all your colleagues come in tight, everybody gives you a nice pad on the back. But of course over the years, you know, the legend grows, which makes perfect sense. Yeah, well the Apex Gang does have a long rich history. It's understandable. You know, I don't know if you guys know this, but the Apex Gang actually stretches back to ancient Egypt. That's where the name comes from. They were like, we were originally, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the the the their, their, their, th, th, their, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi Egypt. That's where the name comes from. They were like, we were originally like a paramilitary unit to guard the pyramids, hence Apex the top of the pyramid. Wow, get some real Apex info.

Yeah, if anyone gets up there, our job was to play the knockout game on them and just knock them right out. And you know, the Pharaoh would have rewarded us richly. And yeah, we've come down a bit since then, but now we're working on getting back up there, back up to the top, to the apex, if you will. Yeah, well, I mean, there was always a new leader of the gang back then because whoever was at the top would always wind up getting buried with royalty to guard them in the afterlife to play the

knockout game on any angels that kind of messed with them. Yeah, there's pros and cons, you know. Which of course leads me to asking how you became the leader of the Hunter Valley chapter of the Apex gang. Well, as I said, I think they added thed to to to to thed thed thed them, them, the, the, thi, I thi, thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the the the the, their the the the the their their their, their their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their thi the, the, theeateeeateeateeateatlifu. thooomoomoomorrow is always the, their the. their their their their their their, th Hattive Valley chapter of the Apex game. Well, as I said, I think they added me just because I was so cool and funny. I thought this guy would be a good guy to have around. And once I got in there, I just had a look at what was going on and just started making some suggestions, little organizational tweaks like when you play the knockout game running up behind someone instead of in front of them so they can't see

you coming, so you're doing a king hit. Little citizens like that, like yeah, carrying your machete strapped your leg while you're wearing trousers so no one can see that you know you've got it down there. Just like little, little tips like that they saw that I had a, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, you're thi, you're there. Just a little tips like that. They saw that I had a nice clear vision for the gang. And after a few meetings, I was democratically elected the leader. That's beautiful. Well, that is how most gangs work. Does anybody else have any questions for Matt about the operations of the Apex game? How do the Sudanese feel about face app?

They weren't a fan of the blackface filter. Not a big fan of that one. They quite like the various smile options. They don't mind. We all have a bit of a giggle, you know, we'll take photos and turn ourselves into girls who, of course, are not under any circumstance. Is that why they're murdering people in Melbourne? Is it because of the face app?

Is it because of the face app? Because they're mad about the face app, so they want to murder people in Melbourne who are just going out for dinner. It could be. I think it's also just because people from Melbourne are pricks, generally. You know, you don't really like them very much. You know, they're kind of stuck up, they're all, ooh. We come from Melbourne. It's like the Paris of Australia. It's more of a European city really, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's just, th. It's just, th. It's just, th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's because, thi. It's because thi. It's because thi. It's because thi. It's because thi. It's because thi. It's because thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's th, it's like the Paris of Australia. It's more of a European city really, and you know, and you can only hear that so many times before you start reaching for your machete, really. I'm feeling persecuted here in this episode. All you northern people.

It's disgusting. Like you can't even go out for dinner? Yeah, like I feel like I would be macheteed by you three. I'd just like to stop for a moment and just offer one bit of input which is blackface app. Oh, I get it. I get it. Yeah. It's what the show called. It's what I should call it.

It's nice. Perfect. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, everybody in Melbourne thinks they're fancy just because they do go out to dinner at places that aren't an RSL. So. I wasn't even aware that there were like separate restaurants not attached to pubs until I read about this news in Melbourne. The latest news. Yeah, so of course, in Australia has probably probably heard

about the news lately this crime wave, crime wave, scary gang violence wave which most people never really see but we all get to hear about the newspaper which is just as scary as being there. It's been all over the place and this is of course led extremely racist. What is he now, the Home Affairs Minister? Department of Home Affairs. Yep, from fresh-faced, potato-faced, Queensland pig all the way up to the boss of... Well first they made the Department of Immigration into Department of Immigration and was a border protection in immigration.

D-B-P-I-P-T-I-P, that's it, sure. They already had to give him like a super agency thing. And now they've like melded that with the police and given him an even bigger Home Affairs department and it's a little scary. I think it's on merit. Well, that is how the Liberal Party works. They do hate their quotas, don't they? They do. If a meritocracy is all about giving positions to the people with the biggest heads, then Peter Dutton definitely merits. He's got eyes everywhere.

As the science of phrenology teaches us, of course, you can barely get calipers around Peter Dutton's giant skulls. But once they're around, they do go straight in. Just sink into that soft flesh. It's like a... It's like when you're testing potatoes to see if they're probably boiled yet. It would be all the wrong texture. I imagine if you try to kind of like, you know, double palm Peter Dutton's head like a basketball, it would just be like squishing a soft shell crab. You know, just give way, just give way out into your hands.

And then he would demand that you be seized. This is just a hypothetical. This is satire of course, but I bet if you like hit his head with a sledgehammer, it would come apart like a watermelon. God, it would feel so good. It would feel so good. I bet it would. I bet it would. Imagine if you are...

Satirically. Yeah, satirically. Imagine if you played the knockout game with Peter Dutton and your hand, your hand just just kind of enveloped your fist. Well, he does. He earns you the most points in the knockout game if you manage to get Peter done. Yeah, that's fair. Tony Abbott used to be the top but someone got him, so.

They did. Oh, yeah, I've completely forgotten about that guy, who had butted Tony Abbott. And I still think, um, I still think that that guy wins points for when he, when he he was he was he was he was he was he was to to to to to to to to to to to to to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to get the to get the to get the the the to the toe. to the to to to to to to to to to to to to be. to get to get think I still think that that guy wins points for when he was asked about it when he was asked to give his explanation he said I don't care about any of the same-sex marriage stuff I just fucking hate that guy. I just wanted to nut him. Yeah I just wanted a nut that kind I think I think yeah yeah I'm pretty sure that was the quote. Beautiful. Just legend. Absolutely legend. So yeah, there's been stories, there's been stories cropping up in the media of late and of course the media has taken it and absolutely run with it about all this gang

violence despite the fact. They've done a lot of investigating, a lot of hard hitting reporting. Yeah, a lot of hard-hitting reporting. Oh yeah, a lot of facts. A lot of real work on the ground, despite Victoria actually posting its biggest drop in the crime rate in over 10 years. So it sort of seems like Matt, you're not doing your job and you're fucking idiot. Or maybe I'm doing it so well that the police haven't noticed yet. Yeah, they can't even catch it. Maybe all the people that are getting knocked out are so scared to report him, or they have knockout game induced amnesia. That's it, that's exactly. That's the beauty of the knockout game is that you don't remember

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She's a fucking great name. And it's got an interesting little hook into the content there. Streets of Menace, Gang Violence in the Suburbs, written by the suspiciously named Rebecca Urban. Interesting. She knows her stuff then. That's right. Rebecca sets the scene. It was more than just an out-of-control party. Having trash the rented property, the scarequotes, guests spilled outside, pelting rocks at neighboring properties, trampling cars and smashing windscreens with garden stakes or whatever else they could find. Residents of the quiet street in Werribee in Melbourne's West cowered inside their homes, terrified as the angry mob's chants about being out to, quote, get whites.

the whites. We're eventually grabbed out by the roar of police helicopters. I knew you'd like that line Lucy. That's fantastic. I'm going to get the whites. Now, I really enjoy that there is pretty much zero evidence to go along with any of this. The scene, according to witnesses, was warlike. And as bewildered police combed through the mess the next morning, they came across a curious calling card. The letters MTS and Apex scrolled on broken furniture.

Matt V Brady's been here. So they do have a photo of this in the story and it's literally like Apex and MTS written in chalk on a kitchen counter. Yeah, that's how you tack. That's how the kids tack these thoes, isn't it? Yep. Kitchen counters. That's the kids tag these days, isn't it? Yep. Kitchen counters, that's the spot to bomb. So, she goes on. While the Apex gang was known to police, having become synonymous with Melbourne's African gang problem following the Mumba riots almost two years ago, MTS thought to stand for Menace to Society,

in reference to 1993 US Street Gangster Film, Menace to Society in reference to 1993 US street gangster film Menace to Society was something different. Now she does bother saying this story. Released in 1993 the American film Menace to Society tells the story of Kane, a quote, thug with a heart from the wrong side of the tracks who battles disadvantaged drugs and crime in an attempt to build a better life. Along with the 1991 cult classic Boys in the Hood, it gained no variety for its unbridled violence profanity and drug-related content, helping to...

Oh, don't bring Boys and the Hood into this. I know, helping to popularize the urban crime drama genre. Thank you for explaining number one that MTS possibly stands for Menace to Society, which is also possibly a reference to a movie from over 20 years ago. There's a lot of maybes in this story. Doing a lot of guesswork it seems. Yeah. You say that, but I still think it's worth checking the rental history at the Newcastle Civic Video to see whether the Menace Society's gone out on VHS. One step ahead of you again, Theo, you see every little really every single video rental place in Newcastle is a front for the Apex game. It's already owned by the gangs. There are actually, their, uh, New Castle at place in Newcastle is a front for the Apex game.

It's already owned by the gangs. There actually is still a video rental place in my hometown and I swear to God I've never seen a single person go into it for about 10 years now. It's got to be a front. It's got to be. There was a, there was a store just down the street from us where we lived in Melbourne that was like, it just sold like big-ass chandeliers, basically. That sounds good.

In the chandelier district. I'm trying to remember the name of it. It was like a Mirama, or something, Miram lighting. It was on like a... Mirabel. They sell good chandeliers. Good chandeliers. That's right. Beautiful chandeliers and not a soul ever to be seen in that store. I've never seen anyone in there. I never will because it's absolutely a front for the Apex gang. So it's Francozzo. Oh yeah, those beautiful beautiful those beautiful bedheads. They're beautiful

and the rumor is that it's a drug front but I think it's an apex gang front has been since the early 90s. Yeah well I mean number one you need a way to launder the money that you get from people's wallots when you play the knockout game with them. Exactly. So beautiful. Yeah number two your gang members need just a gorgeous ornate the thor thrurururu. that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thrue thor thor thi thor thi thi thrue. thi thrue. thrue. thrue. thrue. thrue the. th. thr- thr- thi thi th. th. And th. And th. And th th th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thrific thrific the the thrific the the the thruu. the the the thruuu. the the thruu. the thru. them. Exactly. So you buy beautiful bed. Yeah, number two, your gang members need just a gorgeous ornately carved 1980s style bedhead. Hmm. And why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they? And it's in Futsgray, it's a ethnic place, which we all know is a it's a crime hot spot in Melbourne. Scared to go out to dinner. Terrified. So this whole story in the Australian continues on and again there is that bit of guesswork where at one point she's

saying something like, so yes while Australia may have like as in might have a crime problem with with with gangs of African youths, possibly, Sudanese youths, which is like drilling down through all these demographics, and each one of them is preceded by a maybe, which I really like, so because you're basically saying, who knows? Who knows? Possibly. Could be. Yeah. So, you know, they go into a bit of, you know, some testimonials from people in the community. And one of the people they talk to is a gentleman called Nelly Yoa.

And this is where it gets kind of interesting to me. Sudanese-born elite soccer player and aspiring AFL footballer, Nelly Yoa, came to Australia via an Egyptian refugee camp when he was 13 in 2003. He knows how easy it is to head down the wrong path. Quote, it starts off as petty crime, but then it just gets worse and worse. Can you confirm that, Matt? Yep, that's pretty gets worse and worse. Can you confirm that, Matt? Yep, that's pretty much how I started out, you know, shoplifting and stuff like that. But then you go through the Apex Gang's Career Improvement Path. It will be Apex-Yan Work Experience Program.

Get your cert three in criminality. Yeah, you trade certificate. Yeah, you've got to move up from shoplifting to robbery. And then you go to armed robbery. Grand theft auto. Oh, yeah, that's good stuff. I can't even begin to imagine where you would sell a car that you'd stolen. Oh, you know, just the blokes.

You just go, you want a car? Just the blokes? You go, oh, I've got a car. You want a car? And eventually someone says yes. Yeah. It's like whenever I have read like, or read stories about how you can't buy guns in Australia, you know, how a conversation with a group of people about how you can't buy guns in Australia. Seems like there's always one person in the conversation who'll say,

oh yeah, but you could get a gun really quick if you knew where to ask. I'm like, where's that then? People always just kind of like, you know, the boys? You just ask a bloke, he knows a bloke and you get a gun. Just ask around down the pub, just maybe buy a gun. I don't believe it. I don't believe it was not right. He's definitely an undercover cop and...

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love how many of those stories about somebody trying to have somebody assassinated or like trying to have their wife murdered or whatever. It's just always a cop that they're talking to, isn't it? It's always like- It's always like- It's like- undercover police make up a substantial percentage of the underworld in Australia. I wonder how many undercover cops try to arrest each other on the regular.

People like, oh, I wonder if anyone in this bar is looking to have someone killed. Like that, did you all say that news story from America where two different groups of undercover cops got into a gunfight with each other? Oh yeah, so good. It's perfect. They've all been shooting and everything they finally figured it out. I think 80% of the World Pool forums are undercover cops. The other 20% is landlords. Oh man.

Oh man. Oh, landlords. There's the real criminals. Am I right guys? I agree. I strongly agree. You guys aren't landlords, are you? No landlords on here?

I am not. No. That's good. I think the landlord's worse than a cop. I'm not going to elaborate on that. I just think they're worse than cop. I think that's a good thing to treat and then not answer any of the thousands of out replies you'll get.

You know, I'm going to do that right now. Yeah, just do it while you're on here. And we'll check in later on to see how it went. Yeah. Um, A-L-A-B, you know? I don't know. All land the bastards. I was. All landlords of us, I think you were saying. Wow, thank you.

Thank you, Matt. At least you speak, uh, speak the underworld language. I'm gonna scribble that in chalk on the side of the school. So anyway, back to, uh, back to friend of the show, Nelly Yoa. So, um, yes, Nelly, Nelly was once headed down the same path, mixing with a troublemaking crowd, which I believe is how you guys refer to each other in the Apex gangman? Yeah. Troublemakers? Which makes it sound pretty mild, really. It was only when he was attacked with a machete, which almost ended his sporting career, that he started to turn his life around. Tired of the repeated excuses he was hearing for the behavior of some of his countrymen,

Yoa hit out this week at police, the state government and his own community's leaders over their denials about the existence of Sudanese gangs. In a scathing opinion piece published by Fairfax media, he says there is a quote major issue end quote, among young South Sudanese people in Melbourne and trying to defend it or cover it up is immoral and inexplicable. So yeah, so this guy got an opinion column in Fairfax. He was also quoted extensively in this article in the Australian. He has claimed to do like a lot of youth outreach work including with the Apex gang. Now it starts to come unstuck pretty quickly here when people have

taken even the most cursory amount of time to do a little examination of Nelly's claims and his background and his so-called elite sporting career. If you would like to try and get a get a bit of a look at what this is all about, I would suggest checking in on Twitter with friend of the show, Vince Ruggari, who is a sports reporter, particularly soccer Twitter. And he has been extremely bemused by this because apparently Nellioa has a reputation as being extremely full of shit. He loves to get in the media and say things and it turns out that none of those things are true. So not least of which is the is the business about his elite, being an elite sporting person.

He's made claims about how he was, just before the machete attack he was allegedly on the verge of a multi-million dollar contract with Melbourne Victory Football Club, which would have made him one of their highest paid players, even though he had never played professional football before. So this kind of seemed like the start of when he came to prominence after being involved in this machete attack. He then told people, ah yes, it almost stopped me being an extremely elite football player, which I absolutely am. Yeah, that checks out to me. Yep.

So he stated this about the, about Melbourne victory and none of that was true. As far as anyone can tell, in 2013 he stated he trialed at Chelsea, FC, and Queens Park Rangers and played for a non-professional team Kwame in the Maltese 2nd Division while turning down offers from Australian and Asian teams. Again, this is something where people are looking into it now and nobody can find any form of evidence whatsoever that he has ever trialed with any of these teams. I don't know why anyone would be like. Oh, oh. And, the, the, the, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th. Sure, th. Sure, thi. Sure, thi. Sure, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. to thi, thi, to to to to to to tha. thea, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. to to to thi, to to to to to to to to tttttttttttttttttttttttttthea. to to to to to to to to to today, the, ttod has ever trialed with any of these teams. I don't know why anyone would be like, oh yeah, I totally, I totally played for an English Premier League team because it seems like that's a thing that's kind of easy to find out. I for one am shocked. A man who stood up in the media and said that the apex gang are definitely real turned out to be a liar.

Hmm. But yeah, I mean it's so, so mainly this to me is an interesting reflection of the idea that weirdly enough this guy got a whole lot of attention and got his opinion published everywhere because yeah, like you said Matt, he got up and said Not only is the apex gang real, but they are strong and they are my friends And I work with them I work with them on a regular basis. What what were you just saying to me before we started recording that about? About the sort of outreach organizations?

Yeah, apparently the Sudanese youth organization in Melbourne that he claims to represent have come out and officially said he's got no connection with them whatsoever. Yes, that's a good look. Yeah. You think some of the reporters might have double-checked that before running with these stories? You'd think any of them might have single-checked it? But apparently... Apparently nobody did.

So, and like, and that's just so convincing. It's so universal, you know, like when I was 16, for example, I got into a gunfight with a triad gang and it ruined my chance at trying out for the Newcastle nights. And my career never really, my football career never really took off after that. So when I read Nellie really story, I just thought this is just so relatable. Why would I disbelieve it at all? Why would I do any video? Why would I w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w. Why would I? Why would I this? this? this? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thri. thi. thri. thi. thri. thri. thri. thri. thri. thi thi thi thi would I disbelieve it at all? Why would I do anything whatsoever? Why would I Google this man's name? Yes. Why would I think about it for even a moment? Why would I look a gift horse in the mouth though? That's what I want to know. Hmm. Hmm. Well, we were also just talking about a relatively prominent Imam in Australia, who is very critical of the Muslim community. And strangely, he tends to get quoted a whole lot by the conservative media and by

right-wing pundits and all that sort of stuff. And it's almost like they don't actually respect the opinions or positions of Muslim people. It's just very convenient for them when one of them stands up and very publicly excoriates the rest of the community because then they can say, ah, see this guy knows what's up and now I'm not racist. If a Sudanese guy says that the Apex gang is super real and devastating, then I can't be a racist for saying that he's right, we should put them all down. But yeah, so that's, it got just blasted around the place, and strangely enough it was, it was soccer Twitter that immediately

unpicked that story. Yeah, I saw like a long time Mufo Jordan Witt do a very good breakdown on this and I it's like says strange enough it's the sporting community that sort of pulled this thread apart. Hmm. Yeah, it was clearly the, it was clearly the fact that, um, that the various newspapers that were publishing the quotes from him, kept referring to him as like an elite football player and professional football player. That was what made them all go, hold the fuck up. Hold up for a second.

I feel like I might have heard absolutely anything about this guy ever. If he for some reason was going to be the highest paid player at Melbourne F.C. It's an easy lie to tell in a country like Australia, which has such a massive soccer population, you know? So many teams and it's so popular, it's very easy to lie about that, yeah, it's not a surprise to me that no one thought to track this guy down and actually talk to any of the clubs you claim to have tried out for. So I have honestly been having trouble keeping up with this because all this. this. this. this. the stuff. this. the stuff. this. the stuff. It this. It the stuff. It the stuff. It the stuff. It is all the stuff. It is all the stuff. It's the stuff. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, so thi. So, so thi. So, so many. So, so many. So, so many. So, so many. So, so many. So, so thi. So, so thi. So, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. So, the the the the the the thi. So, the thi. So, the thi. So, the the thi. So, their their their thi. So, their their teememes. So, te. So, teems. So, teems. So, te. So, te. So, the their to any of the clubs he claimed to have tried out for. So I have honestly been having trouble keeping up with this because all this stuff was unfolding today. It's happened quite quickly. And I've been, um, because I knew we were going to

talk about the, uh, the Sudanese gang stuff today. And all of this stuff started unfolding, which was very interesting to me, but also happening at quite a pace that I was having trouble sort of untangling it all to get some notes together for the show. But, so there's been a series of other interesting things, including Nelly talking to MediaWatch, because Media Watch were saying, this guy's full of shit. He had given them some quotes, you know. But he'd spoken to them and they'd said, yeah, you know, pretty clearly the stuff he was telling us is untrue. You know things are going pretty well when you're talking to Media Watch.

Hmm. Well, ah, but get this, he spoke to Media Watch first, and then he spoke to the Daily Mail and then told the Daily Mail that he had never spoken to Media Watch and they'd made it all up, I think. And so Media Wax, and Daily Mail would have posted an article like saying, oh well we don't really know, we're looking into it, right? Like that's sort of like... Oh yeah, that's... You know, that's what the Daily Mail are all about. It wasn't, uh, Smug, PC idiots,

get smashed by Nelly Yoa, and he's furious about it. Um, all right, would you like to hear the headline that the Daily Mail chose to go with? It's, it's extremely level-headed. It's really measured. It's the sort of sensible, hard-hitting journalism you would expect from the Daily Mail. Here's the headline. Misleading or what? Exclamation. Oh, That's good.

Exclamation, Mark. Got on. How the ABC's Smug PC Brigade verbold a source to try to run down the male's groundbreaking coverage of Melbourne's African Apex gang, and he's absolutely furious. As opposed to the American and Asian apex gangs. Yeah, well, I feel like that's kind of a dig at you.

Yeah, I get that a lot, you know, I, after all, you get sick of adding and Australian whenever someone says African, so you just kind of let it slide. I've kind of given up that fight of African and one Australian gang. Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's, I think it's fair to the to that's kind kind kind kind that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. I that's that's th. I that's that's th. I that's that's that's that's th. I that's kind kind kind kind kind kind kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind kind that's kind of that's kind that's kind that's kind kind kind kind that's kind kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind that's kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind th. th. th. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I to. I th. I th. I to. I th. I th. I th. I th. I that's. I that's. I that fight of African and one Australian gang. Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's fair to call you like the Eminem of the Australian criminal underworld. I think it's fair to say that in Africa they call me Brother Matthew. I think that's fair to I think that's very fair. So yeah, the Daily Mail have posted this piece in which they've talked about MediaWatch talking to Nelly has told Media Watch, there's been bad media reports about the gang and this is

what they do. This is how they sell their content. They have directly quoted him in a phone call to Media Watch. Media Watch of course selling their commercialized content for... Oh, well, sorry, the actual thread that we're picking apart here is that the Daily Mail wrote some bullshit as they do, where they attributed quotes to Nelly. Media Watched asked him about the Daily Mail piece, and he said, oh, they just sell their content by doing this shit. Media Watch says, the mails reporter, Belinda Cleary should have known their thi, thi, is their is their is their is their is their is their is their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is, is thi is thi is, is th is th is, is th is th is th is, is thi is thi is thi is thi is, is, is thi is thi is thi is they just sell their content by doing this shit. Media Watch says, the mails reporter, Belinda Cleary should have known the claim was nonsense

because she'd written about Nelly are in the mail only three months earlier presenting him as a hero and she had also friended him on Facebook. So they've sent this screen capture to Nelly, who has replied, I never spoke to Media Watch on November 15th. I never called them. They called me. They lied. I'm gobsmacks.

He is literally gobsmack. So they didn't speak or they called him? Well, it's a fine distinction. Yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it? It's a fine distinction. Yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it? I never called them. They called me and then I spoke to them. But we never spoke. Well, so, yeah, so you spoke to them, that's what you're getting that. It's very silly and the Daily Mail, of course, are ridiculous. But did you see the tweet afterwards from the Media Watch reporter that said, well, thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, it's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, it, it, it's thi, it, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin thin thin thin thin, thin, thin, thin,the MediaWatch reporter that said, well, after this story was published, we sent our phone recordings and emails to the Daily Mail? And they haven't replied back yet. So it's funny how that.

It's like the friend of a friend on Twitter, on Facebook that you're not quite sure how you're friends with, but they really like Hillary. They kept the receipts. Hmm. Yes. Yes. Yes. I do like this line from the Daily Mail.

Australia is in frequent contact with Mr. Yora as a source on Apex. He works with members of the gang as a social worker, apparently also not true. But look, when has that ever stopped the Daily Mail before? The answer is never, not even for a moment. I feel like I should also say it's, I think everyone in Australia kind of takes media watch for granted these days but they really are fucking good and have been for like decades now. Is it just that people don't like the new host as much? I don't know. I feel like even, I feel like they never really get their credit they deserve or haven't for like a long time. I feel like we just start, people just take them for granted because they've been there for so long.

It's a good unit though and like there has been the odd time when they've kind of like messed something up, but I'm pretty sure they always just kind of go we fucked that up. Like, they don't do the the incredible defensiveness of the daily. th. th. th. th. they they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they're they're the the the the the the the the theee theeeeeeeeen't theeeeeeee they're they're the they've been they've been they've they've they don't do the incredible defensiveness of the daily mail or whatever. I mean in fairness they don't have a lot of time left over in between just completely openly stealing writing from other journalists. I know we've talked about it on the show before but I do remember that piece that was it was written by somebody who had been like an intern at the Daily Mail and they were just like, it's horrifying. It's just, it's just this factory where, you know, they say, oh, like they do a training

program with you where they go, oh, you know, you're going to be doing all this journalism and doing this amazing stuff. And what you actually do is you sit there for like 18-hour shifts of just taking another news story, copying the text, putting a bullet point list at the top, just pump and shit out. Don't forget the number of stories. The number of stories you're supposed to do in a day is out of control. Now, I did want to jump just quickly to a second, for a second, to something else that happened this week, which I think is worth commenting on. And it'll seem unrelated at first, but we'll get that,

folks. We'll get there. Now, if you, well, I suppose, if you use Twitter, but also maybe even if you don't use Twitter, you might have heard about a thing that happened this week. Of course I'm talking about dear friend of the show, Pixilated Boat and a little bit that he did about the book that was coming out about the first few months of Donald Trump's administration in the White House. He's going to get murdered by the government. Just a prediction. Let's hope not. Let's hope not. Oh wait, you mean pixelated boat or the guy who wrote the book?

Oh, pixlated boat. He's going to be killed by the government. Okay, that's, no, it's fair. It'll be very sad, but... So, yeah, this... Well, will all be sad. So this book was coming out. RIP, Pixilated Boat, died doing what he loved, uh, having people mistake his jokes for truth. So this this book has been in the

works and it's it's coming out and it's called Fire and Fury by someone Wolf so what's the guy's first name? Oh yeah, I don't know. Wolf. Just Wolf. Wolf. Wolf. It's written this book. And apparently he somehow just managed to get quite unlimited access to Trump in the White House, including basically just taking up a semi-permanent spot on the couch in the White White House with a constant tape recorder running. And just because he kind of showed up and said, you mind if I sit here? And they went, all right.

Because they're completely incompetent and I have no idea what they're doing at all. So he got to do that. And he racked up all this stuff. And it turns out that it's exactly like he would have thought and that Donald Trump's a huge, soft-brained moron.......... And moron. And moron. And th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho out that it's exactly like he would have thought and that Donald Trump's a huge fucking soft-brained moron. And so is everybody else around him, Jared Kushner is a massive fail-son who can't do anything right. They're all just hugely moronic. Now, pixelated boat has done a bit that he does on a regular basis, which is to post a piece

of writing that he is clearly written and he posits it as though it is an excerpt from a book or a magazine article or a quote from a celebrity or something like that. If you are even passingly familiar with his comedy, it will be very quickly recognizable to you as exactly that. I'm going to have to read it to you now for the context of the piece. He says, wow, this extract from Wolf's book is a shocking insight into Trump's mind. And then he has a screen shot of this text, supposedly from a book. Let me read it to you so you can tell how recognizable it is as a very serious piece of writing. On his first night in the White House, President Trump complained that the TV in his bedroom

was broken because it didn't have, quote, the guerrilla channel. Trump seemed to be under the impression that a TV channel existed that screened nothing but guerrilla-based content 24 hours a day. To appease Trump, White House staff compiled a number of guerrilla documentaries into a makeshift gorilla channel broadcast into Trump's bedroom from a hastily constructed transmission tower on the South lawn. However, Trump was unhappy with the channel aid created, moaning that it was, quote, boring because, quote, the guerrillas aren't fighting. Stuff stuff edited out all the parts of the documentaries where gorillas weren't, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, the, the, thi, thi, thi all the parts of the documentaries where gorillas weren't hitting each other and at last the president was satisfied.

Quote, on some days he'll just watch the gorilla channel for 17 hours straight and inside it told me. He kneels in front of the TV with his face about four inches from the screen and says encouraging things to the gorillas like the way you get that other gorilla was good. I think he thinks the gorillas can hear him. 85,000 likes, 25,000 retweets. Wow, so as has happened a couple of times before with Pixilated Boat, this has taken on a horrifying life of its own where thousands and thousands of people have suddenly mistaken this for a real piece of writing about Donald Trump. This includes Australia's own Samantha Maiden. She posted it from Sky News. She posted it,

and she's since deleted the tweet but so I couldn't find it but it was something along the lines of oh my god I can't believe the president crawls around on the floor in front of the TV like a big baby. It was also like reposted by a bunch of other pundits and everything who said, can you believe this, this crazy stuff? Eric Garland. Of course, Eric Garland. That's how much shocking.

And like, should it be any surprise that it's the softest brain charlatans that are getting, falling afoul of this and then going, oh, oh, well, you know, it could be true. You just, this is the kind of, this is the world we live in. It's like, no, it's not. It's really not. Propos law is no excuse. You just, like, you need a little post it note. You stick up on your little, on your monitor there, and it says, you know,

check if this could have been done with Chrome's F-12 button. Hmm. Like, and just journalistic integrity would just rise like 20%. Yeah, just check like at all, ask somebody. Just look at the person's Twitter once, like a cursory browse. That would really sell everything. Perhaps whether it's someone who's quite famously done exactly this previously with Tiny Train World? Yes, of course, Tiny Train World. But no, no, no, third time's gonna be the charm. He's not going to do it again. You just watch. Now, Tiny Train World, for those who aren't familiar, is an almost identical series of

events in which The Guardian posted an article that was about, you know, the dystopian black mirror future that we're all living in, and they inserted into it an excerpt from 1984 by George Orwell. The problem was that the excerpt that they had inserted was actually one of pixelated boats jokes. I can read that quote to you now if you would like. And once again, let's consider this in the context of, let's say, yeah, let's say you don't know where it's from or anything like that. Big Brother smirked.

Facts or whatever I say they are. For example, trains are small, really small. You could fit a train in the palm of your hand. That's not true, spluttered Winston. I was on a train yesterday. It's the biggest damn thing 'd ever seen no big brother it was small look to tiny train world Winston enjoy not being able to catch a train on account of their being too small you idiot so and they and they posted that specific quote.

Now as they say, you know, here in this piece that I'm reading it from, if you only have a passing knowledge of 1984 or books in general, you may think Tiny Trainwell is a plausible phrase to appear in a world famous piece in letter and place, but that is not the case. Well, see, no, I was thinking about this from like, if you had genuinely only vaguely heard someone communicate to you the concept of 1984, even then, he's like, he's saying things like, enjoy not being able to catch a train on account of there being too small, you idiot. I also like, I also like that in this quote, Big Brother is a character.

Yeah, that famous character. Yeah, Winston actually talking to Big Brother. One of those classic literary characters, Big Brother. Good old Big Brother. Yeah, and there was like a bunch of backtracking from people and not necessarily even backtracking from the people who had quoted. Yeah, one of the first tweets I saw about this was from Farhad Manju who I think writes for slate. And he initially tweeted, I'm sorry I have a question.

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it's pretty funny. That's just sour because he got got got. Yeah, to far had I'd say, how about you do your fucking job. You're a journalist, do your fucking job. just do your job. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the, the, the, the, thi thi thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, t, t, t, t, tha tha tha text text text text text text text text text text text text text te, te te te teat teat teat teat teat, teat teateateateateate, te, te, te, te, I'd say, how about you do your fucking job? You're a journalist, do your fucking job. Just do your job. It's like a very basic journalism. Do your job. And just do this, like, what's with all this fiction on TV as well? Like I'd turn on the TV and the thing I'm watching, it might not even be real. And that's not helpful to me, an idiot who interprets everything as gospel.

Has anyone seen this show? I call it Fargo? It seems like there's a lot of stuff going down in that city. There's so much crime in the Midwest. I really feel like the police should be doing more to stop crime in the town of Fargo. Yeah, they're like the apex gang of the of people that talk funny. Um, yeah, like. Through the apex gang, eh? I think it going down the league a little later, doing some crime. That's just ours now.

Well, further to your point, Matt, uh, yeah, like to say, oh, well, this, this joke doesn't work in a hyper-partisan echo chamber. It's like, well, that's, that's like, well, that's, that's, that's, the, that's, that's, that's, the, the, that's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the. the, the. the, the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they-a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. the the the, the, the, to say, oh, well, this joke doesn't work in a hyperpartisan echo chamber, it's like, well, that's kind of, that's your problem. Yeah, you signed up for this. Well, I mean, I do understand that with Trump, it is a bit different in that, I do fully believe he would ask for something like a guerrilla TV channel. That is actually believable. But this is claiming to be an excerpt from a book which is available, which you can go and buy and read, which if you're a journalist, you should be fucking doing because that's your fucking job. Yeah. And so I read, I read a couple of things from a friend of the show, Adam Johnson, Adam H. Johnson, who you can find on Twitter at Adam Johnson, NYC, who was a writer, and he just had a couple

of thoughts on this, which I thought were interesting. He says, not to think piece of the guerrilla channel thing, but if you get sloppy and fall for a prank or spread misinformation, you don't get to say, the fact that it seems true proves my point. This is a popular face-saving line in general when people get caught being credulous and it's dumb. Falling for misinformation or a joke is not a testament to how meta right you are in some greater truth sense.

It's a testament to how much you seek stories that reaffirm your biases. This is a problem to some extent for everyone, but be honest about it. And I thought that really kind of just hit the nail on the head in terms of, just particularly where people don't backtrack on this shit when they get when they get had by it and then they post it and go, oh my god, I can't believe he kisses the gorillas on the TV. Yeah, that like by saying, ah, but it's, but the fact that it's believable is just crazy, isn't it? The fact that you could read that and think, oh yeah, that's totally plausibly something

that tru. That kind of proves that I wasn't wrong to like spread that as a thing. And of course as you were saying Matt, you're fucking journalist. Like your whole your whole job is just verifying information, verifying and communicating information. Like you don't get to say, yeah we live in a fantasy world where the president is moronically stupid, which he absolutely is, and we all agree on it, that's fine. But, but like,

there's so many things about Trump that are already this dumb that we already have. That's fine. That's kind of, that's why I'm not really interested in this whole book in general because the whole thing seems to just be a whole book about how dumb and crazy Trump is and he's been president for a year. I don't really need a book to prove to me what an idiot this man is. I've got the last year and the, however many years he's been alive before that as evidence of how stupid he really is. Yeah and I think you have to you have to also apply the same sort of critical thought to the book which is to say he's just writing

down words that he is apparently being told or heard. I think it's a bit worrying how the book is presented in that I don't know if, if you haven't read it, it's sort of very, he presents the conversation and then, and he presents the tone around the conversation as well. And he puts emotions and expressions on to people into conversations that he wasn't necessarily there for. And, you know, again, Trump is super stupid. Everyone involved is super stupid and evil. And most of this stuff is probably pretty close to the mark, but we can't, like, I think the worrying stuff is that people on the left is falling for certain things like this gorilla channel thing.

And you have to be, you have to slow down and be critical about this stuff. Well, it's just because they're just so god damn super eager to be like, well, he's, yeah, he's, he's, like, yeah, of course he's done. This is, this is the, this is the thing that finally proves that Trump is stupid enough to not be president. Well, um, not the fact that he he he he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he's that he's that he's that he's th. th. th. thi is thi is th. th. th. th. th. thi is thi is thi is thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It is is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. th. the. the. the. th. th. the the. the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. the fact that he's holding a fake awards show. He's doing a fake Oscars where he's going to be journalists on the regular. He actually going to do it. Um, I should say as well, though, there was another story that came out today that, uh, that the author of that book has also just revealed, after letting Trump take 72 hours to say it's all completely fake and it's all made up and it's the thiiiii..... this. this. this. this. this. this. This. This this this this. This. This. this this th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th is th is th. th is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeee. the. theee. thee. the. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the hours to say, it's all completely fake and it's all made up

and it's fake news and fiction and everything. This guy has now just casually dropped that he also recorded all of these conversations. Apparently he has, apparently he has dozens of hours of audio of all of the shit that he quotes in the book. No, it's fake news. It's fake news, Andrew. Which is great. Oh, well, you can just, you can do special effects.

That's interesting. This was kind of preceded by, this is a story that didn't get a lot of attention, but I found a very funny, one of Trump's appointees to, I think it's Amsterdam, not Amsterdam, the Netherlands, I think it's, ah fuck, I should have double checked it. I'm pretty sure it's the Netherlands. And apparently in the past this guy had said some rather racist things about immigrant gangs in the Netherlands, which relates to our topic today. And journalists from the Netherlands confronted him with this and said, why did you say these racist things? And he said, I didn't, it's fake. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. I should th. I should th. I should th. I should th. I should th. I should th. I should th. I should th. I should thi thi thi thu. I should their their their their their. I should. I should, I should, I should should should should should should their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I should. I should. I should. I should. I should. I should their their th. I should th. I should th. I should should today. I should should today. I should should should today, I should should should today, I should should today, I should their s. I should their their their. I from the Netherlands confronted him with this and said, why did you say these racist things? And he said, I didn't, it's fake news, I never said these things. The journalist then played the recording he had of the guy saying the exact

things he was accused of saying and asked him, why did you say it's fake news when that's clearly you saying it. And the guy replied, I never said it was fake news. Oh, so good. Very good. Now I was having a conversation today with a friend of the show, my wife Elna, and another friend of the show, Frankie, who you could find on Twitter at Licky Mivadj. And she, yeah, she was saying, she was like, no, there will never be anything funnier to me than Trump and his gold sharpie, which is his whole thing that he has where he reads, you know, he gets people to bring him newspapers with stories about him or about people that he doesn't like. And if there is something that is complimentary of him or is critical of a person who has, you know, said something he didn't like in the past, he circles it in his gold sharpy, and he writes a note to that person and he signs it, and then he has the physical copy, like he has the newspaper posted to them with his gold sharpy annotation on it.

And yeah, and Eleanor was also saying she was like, no, there will never be anything funnier to me than the story about him getting dinner at one of the functions that he was holding at like Marilago or wherever it was. And over the course of this dinner, they were like, yeah, so everybody, they bring out the same meal for everyone, they bring out a salad for everybody, and everybody has like a vinaigrette on the side, except for Trump, and he gets a thousand island dressing. And then they bring out, you know, they bring out the main meal for everybody and everybody gets this except for Trump and he gets this thing that's a little bit different.

And then they bring out dessert at the end, which is a slice of apple pie and a scoop of vanilla ice cream, which everybody gets, except for Donald Trump, who gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream. That's a real thing that he's just like, I'm, yeah, I'm the, I, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm the big, I'm th. I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi. thi, I'm thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and th. th. And th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thing. It's a real thing that he's just like, yeah, I'm the big boy, I'm the big boy at the dinner and I make the rules and I get two scoops of ice cream with my dessert and nobody else at the dinner gets two scoops of ice cream. Why are we living in this reality? I hate it. We 100% deserve it. I feel like this is punishment for the rest of history. This feels like purgatory.

I feel like honestly we've all died and gone to purgatory. And we're just, yeah, we're in hell. We're living in weird, weird trump limbo. But I guess the point that I make though is that when you have things like that, which are very real and documented, and it just, from the last year and from, you know, the whole 140 years he's been alive before that, yeah, like, you already have all of that shit. So to your point, Theo, why do you need to immediately leap on absolutely anything, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, in order to just say, oh, got you, got

you. Yeah, it's like, yep, we know Trump's an idiot. We know he's one of the weirdest people to be alive, let alone take the officer president. You know, why don't we focus on anything that's material, anything at all that's material? Anything at all that you can do to help the situation? Because like, fuck, they're not going to get rid of him. They can't at this point. Like, it takes, he's going to have to shit someone else's bed for them to, you know, you know, 25th Amendment him.

It's not going to happen. So, you know, really, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, instead, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you him, it's not going to happen. So, you know, really, instead of this constant, like, culture warring, and I know people say that they can chew gum and walk at the same time, but they cannot, you know, why not concentrate on things that actually matter like, you know, him totally destroying the tax system or health care, or blah, you know, it goes on and on. You know, th, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why not, why, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,ally destroying the tax system or health care or blah blah, you know, it goes on and on. You know, this is this stuff is probably, it's fun, but it's definitely not helpful. But yeah, I would definitely argue that a lot of people in those positions, like the people who have disappeared right down the rabbit hole of like leftist conspiracy theory stuff and Obviously you can go right to the extreme of like your Eric Garlands and your Louise Menches and stuff like people who Who are just in this world of like, you know a video is gonna come out of fucking?

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin's 69ing and it's gonna bring down both countries and all the shit. I hope so. That'd be so hot. But yeah, I think for the harder people go in terms of like believing all of that stuff. The harder people go with it the more they let themselves think, well, we don't need to worry about any of this other stuff. We don't need to worry about, like, you know, winning back the Senate. We don't need to worry about, like, you know, we don't need to worry about fighting for a minimum way. We don't have to do any hard work. Yeah, we don't have to do any of the stuff tha stuff tha stuff tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to do to do, to do to do to do to do any, to do any, to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do to do to do the, the the the the the their, the the the their, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, wo, their, wo, their, their, their, to wo, their, their, their, to do any of the stuff that actually has a material impact on people's lives on a daily pace. Any ugly truths because if Russia really did magically hack this election it means, it

turns out that, oh, good news, there actually isn't anything wrong with America. We can just go on living our lives as we were beforehand. Good news. Hillary Clinton didn't just lose an election with a billion dollar campaign against one of the most unpopular candidates, unpopulified candidates ever fielded and fielded it in the history of their country. Still has a lower popularity rating than Trump a year after the election. Incredible, isn't it? Incredible. Just a bunch of Bernie Bros on here. It's disgusting.

I'm sorry, I know that you are still with her. I am still with her. Thank you very much. That's fine. That's good. So yes, in a very roundabout way, I would draw a parallel between the pixelated boat's Gorilla Channel Tale from this week. And the reception that Nelly Yoah got in his stories about the Apex gang and being an elite level football player.

Because basically he just put his hand up and said, hey, I'm perfectly happy to tell you exactly what you want to hear. And that was all it took for a bunch of different journals to just go, cool, I don't need to know anything else. It's nice when someone else writes my story for me. And it's a lot of work. I'd agree, I'd agree with Andrew's conclusion as well that pixelated boat is as bad as the Apex gang. Yeah, it feels nice by the way, Andrew, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to thi, to to thi, to to to to to to to to to to to just just to to to to to to to to to just just just just just just just just just just just just, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thooooooooooooooooooooo, thooooooooooooo thooo tho tho th Pixilator Boat is as bad as the Apex game.

Yeah, it feels nice by the way, Andrew. Where you've drawn those things together? It's quite nice. You reckon Pixilator Boat could be in the Apex game? Yeah, I reckon there's a future? I don't know what he looks like. He could be Cernese. But, as I've already established, it's probably a matter. Look, it's just a coincidence that all the members are Sudanese so far, Lucy. It's just, that's just how it's happened to fall out. That's just happened that. I've actually seen some pretty woke takes on Facebook from some, some, some rumors that are like, don't blame African people. It's not African people. It's very, people. That is very well, yes. It's very galaxy brain. Yeah, it's important. Actually, can I read some of the woke boomer tweets I saw that I actually say.

Oh yeah. Oh no. I know these people, they, their hearts are in the right place sort of. They mean well. They do mean well, but I just want to say to them, you're not helping. You're kind of just being racist yourselves. And these stories are so obviously made up. But here are a few. I guess they describe themselves as progressive boomers, tweeting stories to disprove how bad that Sudanese gangs exist. This is my favorite one.

I won't say the at name, exist. This is my favorite one. I won't say the at name, but this is my favorite one. Five years ago, late at night, lost in the city, I was surrounded by a black gang, tattoos the lot. Them, hey lady, you drop your scarf. Then they towar me to see the new sculpture outside the library because, quote, my mom says it's cool so you'll like it. I don't know if that didn't happen or if it's like she just avoided getting mugged.

She says it was a gang. I love it when, yeah, a gang of 20 yearold guys surround me and then hopefully helped across the street. And made me a cup of tea. I knew they had tattoos because he'd taken his shirt off and placed it in a puddle to help me across the coat. Here's another good one. I too found myself surrounded by black youths at sundown. Oh no, that's the worst time. That's that famous time for stand. I don't want to be surrounded at sundown. I asked directions and one guy offered to walk me to the place I was looking for.

I told them I was hitchhiking back home from helping out after the floods. They said that was cool. Of course they did. So in that person's story it was just a gang of, in their words, black youths surrounding them Sunday and for apparently no reason whatsoever because they just asked them for directions. I just, yeah, I love the whole extremely woke boomer thing of like, well I had an interaction one time with some black people and I was not.

I have a left time. Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't robbed or assaulted and that means that absolutely no black person has ever robbed or assaulted anyone. It's just like you can't, you can't like, um, yeah, you can't based off your own one interaction, just like, uh, you can't, you can't do the magical negro tr... the the the the the the the the th. the the th. the the thir thir thro, thro, thro, thro, I thro, I thro, I thro- thro- thro- thro- tho, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not, I was th. I was that, I was that, I was that, I was that, I was th off your own one interaction just like, you can't do the magical negro trope for like every black person. It's terrible. It's really not every, yeah, it's ridiculous. They're all like, oh, and then Will Smith came and helped me with my golf swing.

And fucking absolutely, absolutely. One time I was out walking and a cop car pulled up and a black guy got out and a black guy got out and a black And I can absolutely. That time I was out walking and a cop car pulled up and a black guy got out and I was worried. But then an orc got out from the other side of the cup and I was like, oh it's Orc cop. Oh my god, Orc cop. We're going to try and organize some orcop related content folks. We're going to try and organize some Orc Cop related content, folks. We're going to try and figure it out what is what is the prime medium for us to do that in. And then we're going to do it. We're going to bloody do it. But for now I think we're going to wrap it up.

We would like to say a big thank you to the Chancellor of the What was the subdivision? I'm sorry the Hunter Valley subdivision of the Apex gang Matt V Brady Matt can I just ask before you go do you plan on? Bashing a lot of white people in the future? Is that the plan for the next week or so? It's not my plan? The other guys like to talk about? to the today? the other guys like to talk about hurting skips? the? the? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. thuu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu thu thu thu their their sub-s. their their their their their their their the future. Is that the plan for the next week or so? It's not my plan. The other guys like to talk about hurting skips a lot. I'm not really sure what they've got planned for the rest of the week. But I'm not really sure what they've got planned for the rest of the week. But I'd just like to say watch out. Everybody should watch out. No one is safe. And we're coming. Thanks. Thanks for clarifying. That sounds good. You can, of course, find Matt on Twitter at Matt B. Brady.

You can get along with that just to find out, you know, how the gang's coming along. And, uh, yeah, you can also, if you would like some bonus episodes of the show, you can get on and over to Patreon.com slash Buntavista, for the lowly sum of five US dollars, which I assume are worth even less than Australian dollars, that's probably not right. It's not right at all. Slightly, slightly more, slightly more than Australian dollars. But for that low, low price, you can get yourself some bonus episodes if you enjoy this content. You can also rate, you can rate the show on the IT&S store and all the other places it is. I don't really keep track them, frankly.

Five stars and above only. We've clarified this on the previous episode. Five stars and above. If you can find a way to rate us higher than five stars on the iTunes store, we would appreciate it. Yep. Feel free to do that. If you're more of a three stars and under kind of person, maybe just don't to tho stars into a piece. the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, thi, and, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. If, th. If, th. If, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. If to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. to yourself. I don't want to hear you wind, do that mean?

I don't want you hear you feed back. Can't your three stars into a piece of ice and push it out into the ocean. Yeah. Yeah. I think Theo's right. I think Theo's got it. I'm going to go write a review right now, but unfortunately I'm going to write it in chalk on someone's kitchen dash. The most prominent place. The most prominent place. Thanks again Matt for joining us. Thanks.

We'll see everybody next week. And then. you know. Thank you.