Boonta Vista - EPISODE 30: Blackface Mirror

Episode Date: January 17, 2018

This week Andrew, Lucy and Theo are catching up on the latest developments in the AFRICAN TEEN GANG CRIMEWAVE that is sweeping our extremely scared, pants-pissing nation. We also examine Mark Latham's latest reactionary jaunt and talk about recent revelations about Aziz Ansari and James Franco. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes if that's your thing. _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Buente Vista Socialist Club, episode 30. That's right folks, we're getting up into the triple digits. That's how our numbers work. I'm... I'm... I'm not the mathematician of the show. I'm the mathematician of the show. I'm Andrew. I'm here with Theo. Ohio. And of course, Lucy. Hello.

How are we, everybody? Good. Yeah, good. That's good. That's good. My horrible sickness has gone away, which neither of you even bothered to ask me about. How's your ass that you have been violently shitting from, Andrew? It's better. It's better. Yeah. You know how there's like...

Yeah. I love to get a bug from my children that's um that I can actually hear liquefying everything that's inside my body and then for it to shoot out of my butthole like a seagull. Did you identify the bug? It's like gastro-y sort of stuff? I don't know it's all it's been something that's been floating around our little family for the last week. Everybody's had some kind of it. It all came out of the front end of the kids and it's just just th th. to to to to th, to to to to th, to th, to to to th, to th, to th, to th, th, like, to to to to th, like, like, like, like, like to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu bu th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like th, like the tho, like the the the tho, like the the the the thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the the the the the, like their thoooooooo, like the bu week. Everybody's had some kind of dose of it. It all came out of the front end of the kids and it's just come out of the back end of me. Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, but I'm feeling better folks. Feeling better, feeling dried up in the butt. That's good. And so we are here, we're back.

And after our episode last week where we interviewed notorious Apex Gang Crime Leader, Matt Brady, we've been shocked to see that the crime wave engulfing our country has gone even further. There's a lot of news, a lot of constant news about the African crime gangs swamping our nation. Not the nation, it swamping our nation. Not the nation, it's just Victoria, really. It's tough down here. I'm locked in my house, got barriers in the windows, you know, it's tough time for all of us in Victoria. Yeah, although the news really likes to make you feel like it is the whole country, which is good.

So yeah, you know, we've had some interesting stuff crop up in the news over the last week since talking to Matt. Apparently, under his leadership, the gang is going gangbusters, if you are. Oh, God boy. It wasn't on purpose. It wasn't on purpose. So there was a story. It was a story in publication of ill repute, the Daily Mail. Big piece of shit, the Daily Mail. And they had a story about a scuffle, a scuffle with police. The headline was exclusive. Police spat on in all caps, because that's important. And abused as officers

arrest African teenagers outside a shopping center in Melbourne's west in broad daylight in latest gang flare-up. Well it's even scarier if they feel like they can come out in the daytime now isn't it? Thought they were like vampires. So you know they had this story about teens at this shopping center, again, out of control and the police having to be called and them fighting the police and spitting on them, and all this kind of stuff, very inflammatory and everything. And then a few days later, there was a different news story, which was the Melbourne Chief of Police getting up and saying, at a press conference, actually, the Daily Mail started that whole situation.

Wow. Which is, you know, it's a great look. And basically what they outlined was that, that yes, there were a group of African teens hanging out at the mall like you're allowed to do, apparently, so I hear. And this daily male photographer just started taking photos of them as a group, probably not to use in any kind of profiling sense. And then he started getting closer and just walking up to them and taking close-up photos of them. What could go wrong? What could go wrong?

And apparently these teams said, what are you doing? And stop it now? And he didn't. And so they got into it with this guy, and a scuffle ensued, and then the police were called, and that's when it turned into a whole thing. And so they actually had to have a police press conference to say, hey media, please try to take some responsibility over the tensions that you are inflaming with this sort of thing because this situation was entirely created by you. Yeah, when the Victoria police are telling you that you might be being a little bit racist and stupid, you're probably being a

bit racist. Probably you've probably turned the dial a little too far. You've gone past police racism it's really into deep racism. Yep, yep. When the police are like dial it back it's you're making it a little obvious, making it a little too obvious. Yeah, like the fact that they had to the police had to come out and say you guys are making this so much worse. And of course the best thing they had to, the police had to come out and say you guys are making this so much worse. And of course the best thing about it was that they did create this whole situation. They did create this entire thing and then they just reported the story as having happened without any involvement from the photographer. Yeah. Great journalism.

Great journalism. Well, you know, you're not supposed to make yourself part of the story, I guess. You just kick a story off and then edit yourself out, which is exactly what you want really. Yeah. And it is worth noting once again that Victoria quote has experienced its biggest drop in its overall crime rate in 12 years, but its sexual assaults and family violence remained the biggest problem areas. Yep.

So once again, it's almost like none of this African gang crime, whatever is actually happening at all. It's kind of the vibe I'm getting. Or, yeah, that it is, but in so isolated a sense that's like in the same way that I'm sure, well, like, and people keep posting this stuff constantly going, oh yeah, what about the, you know, this gang of white dudes that got arrested this week and what about the, the that, threats this week. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. It, th, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th, th, th. It's, th. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's kind, it's kind, it's kind, it's kind, it's kind thi, it's kind, it's kind, it's kind, it's kind, it's kind, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it's, it, it's, it, it, it, it's kind, it, it, it, it's kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, kind the the the the thi, kind the the the the thi, kind the the the the the the the the thi, kind, kind, kind, like, and people keep posting this stuff constantly going, oh yeah, what about the, you know, this gang of white dudes that got arrested this week and what about these two guys in the same day in Newcastle who got arrested for doing armed robberies and what about, you know, all this other sort of thing, but the wrong color. So what are you going to do? It's catchy though, African gang crisis, you know? Well yeah, it's retrue, it's retro. It is, it's retro violence. I love it. Yeah, the, um, the 2000s are back in, so it makes sense that we would, we would just dig out the same media stuff. Yeah, I think we should start saying that our rap music is violent and start getting mad about rap music. Yeah, and they should just just just th th th th th they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just they should just pull their damn pants up. They should.

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White people don't have culture. Try again, sweetie. Explain this. Yeah, it's been pretty bad at the moment, and of course we've got, you know, politicians at all state and federal levels getting involved. It's almost as though the Iranian Liberal Party are doing really, really badly in all all their approval ratings and all their areas that are usually supposed to be, really badly in all their approval ratings and all their areas that are usually supposed to be their strong points like creating jobs and managing

the economy. Yeah, important to note that Daniel Andrews' term is premier in Victoria is an election coming up. So suddenly this African gang violence has increased and Daniel Andrews is he's soft on crime you know. Yes it's I'm sure it's purely by coincidence that this seemingly largely manufactured crisis about. Yeah it's flaring up just ahead of an estate election. That's right very small minority of people and weirdly enough it is also involved federal level politicians all very personally involving themselves. For example we have who we're talking about last week notorious Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton saying that

this whole thing's out of control and Daniel Andrews either needs to admit that violent crime is out of control and Daniel Andrews either needs to admit that violent crime is out of control in his state or resign. So again I'm sure it's purely coincidental that federal liberal politicians are involving themselves to insist that the labor premier of a state that's got an election coming up to recuse himself that he just... Fascinating. Just resign from being premier. It's funny that you say, like, yeah, maybe this is, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this, th. this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this this this this this this this just just resign from being premier.

It's funny that you say like, yeah, maybe this is a cover for, you know, the LNP not going so well on a federal level, you know, I, but weirdly enough, I saw this thing on, I think, and I'm pretty certainly was on Channel 7 the other day who we'll get to, saying, oh, Malcolm Turnbull's gone from strength to strength this year and finished up on a high note after passing gay marriage on his watch. And it's like, mother fuck. Oh, yeah, totally. That is not the summary of this situation. I didn't want him to do that.

And it's like, am I out of touch? No, it's the, must be the children. Uh, ugh. Well, haven't they lost, someone, someone will know this, someone smarter than me. Haven't like state liberals lost every like state election since the federal election of the terrible? Yeah, things have not gone well on the back of the termble government. Yeah, yeah, pretty much everywhere they've been swept out. Where was it? I'm trying to remember which state it was where they were they weren't even supposed to win. Like they're only one term into the liberal's the liberals. They're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their their their their their their their their their th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, th. I th. I th. I's, th. I's, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm trying to remember which state it was, where they weren't even supposed to win,

like they're only one term into the liberals and they got trounced. Yeah, it's almost like everybody's very sick of the liberals in general. So, you know, they've fallen back to the most base of political tactics, the old, Nick's a southern strategy. Yep. Be very scared. Be scared of black to to to tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum their tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum tum their their one their one their one their one their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their one their one their one their one tum tum tum tum-in tum-tum-term term term term term into term into one term into one term into one term into one tea tea tumo-term into one term into one tum-term into tactics, the old Nixon Southern strategy. Yep. Be very scared. Be scared of black people and foreigners. So you know, you'd think hopefully that the media would get a handle on this and maybe try and show a little maturity. You'd be wrong. You'd be extremely wrong. Why would you think that? No, you wouldn't really.

It's a terrible thing to think. No, not in this country. So, yeah, I also think it's worth noting as well that a lot of what have been the sort of mainstays of the media in Australia for a long time, like the free to air TV channels, like channel 7 and 9 and 10. They are all just tanking financially. They all seem like they're really not very long for this world. And so it doesn't really, it shouldn't really be that much of a surprise to anyone that they'll pretty much stoop to anything or try anything to get their ratings up over any of the other channels. And their main audience is like older people because they're the only people who are watching

TV anymore. So a bit of a black scare is just ratings gold. For the old boomer population. So as Theo mentioned, there has been another situation on Channel 7 this week, which is that they posted something publicizing an interview that they would be broadcasting, with some, I'm trying to remember the way that they put it, they were like, Australians, Australians like taking the African crime issue into their own hands. And it turns out that who they were like, uh, they're like, they're like, they're the. they, they, they, th.. th. th. They th. They're, th. They're, th. They're, th. They're, th. They're, th. They're, th. They're, thi. They, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, th. They, thi, they, that, that, that, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th. They they, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they African crime issue into their own hands. And it turns out that who they were actually talking about is two far-right extremist groups, notorious within Australia, one headed by Blair Cottrell, and the other by, what's the other

guy's name, Kane, Kane something. The other guy from the True Blue Crew, which is a hilarious man. Convicted racist by the way. They've both been convicted, I'm pretty sure under the racial vilification laws. Yeah, Blair Cottrell has also like actually gone to prison for burning down his ex-girlfriend's house. I'm sorry, burning down the house of a man who he thought had sex with his ex-girlfriend. Very much admitting to that on camera. Yep, he's expressed admiration for Hitler.

He said that they should give a copy of Mein Kampf to every school student in Australia and have a picture of Hitler in the classroom. Which is a very normal, not at all super racist neo-Nazi thing to say. He's got all kinds of horrifying things in his past. Like, again, a history of assault, stalking, yeah, threatening and intimidating women, all that kind of stuff. Oh look, he's a specific quote from him. He's claimed to have manipulated women, quote, using violence and terror. Wow, that's an Australian patriot right there. Yeah, and these are all the things that like, this is, this is one of the, this is, the thi, th., th., thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the they, thi, they, thi, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, thi terror. Wow, that's an Australian patriot right there.

Yeah, and these are all the things that like, this is one of those classic projection moments from the right where, you know, these are all the things that they would accuse, you know, the average African man of being guilty of, like, being someone that would sexually assault their partner, being someone that would threaten someone with a hatchet, you know, like all this shit. It's just like textbook of what they put down, what they want to peg on innocent black people.

But yet, I found it, Andrew, seven news reporter, Jody Lee, has been granted exclusive access to a secret meeting organized by right-wing activists in response to Melbourne's African youth crime crisis. And that's one way to describe it, I guess. The, um, uh, the Chiron underneath was a secret meeting, discussing ways to prevent crimes from happening. Not disgusting racists discuss ways to prey on black people. Yeah, convicted criminals talking about how to prevent crime seems, seems rational. Yeah, if I don't want someone to burn down my house, I want to go on to ask. I'm, I'm, I want to the try to the try. I'm, I'm going to to to the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 't want someone to burn down my house, I want to go and ask the neighborhood arsonist. Yeah. Yeah, so I like that it's, I like that it's, yeah, local neighborhood watch invents pre-cogs instead of men plan racist attacks. Yeah, that's, and that's pretty much going to be the size of it.

Neighborhood Peter Falls band together. Right. So, yeah, like, I think I hope a lot of people were understandably just flabbergasted by this, were just like why. It's exactly like another story you and I were just talking about Theo and we'll see if we get to in a minute. Which is one of these things where you have to ask yourself, did anybody involved with the production of this segment? Just punch one of these guys' names into Google. Just for one second. Hey, what are these guys about?

Have they been responsible for any extremely high profile riots recently? I would love to think that that's the case and they're just being ignorant? But I'm certain that they know exactly who these people are and exactly what they've done. Their audience, right, who consists purely of men of the age, between 55 and 60, all wearing leather jackets with the words, if you can read this, the bitch fell off on the back, um, need their content, right? And who are Channel 7 to not package it in the the the the exactly their? And exactly their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. And exactly th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I th. Yeah. I th. I th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. th. Yeah. th. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the the the the the th. I. I. I. I. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, th. I. Yeah, th. I th. Yeah, th. Yeah, need their content, right? And who are Channel 7 to not package it in the exact racist box and just barf it out of their TVs onto their living room floor as requested? I mean, they just keep fucking doing it, like putting Pauline Hansen on the TV every second of the day.

Not just in news stories, but celebrating her as a personality on dancing with the stars. And like, I remember when she was having her comeback and they were like, they did a whole thing about, oh, she's had a makeover and she looks great, she looks better than ever. It's like, fuck you spending money to put lipstick on a literal pig. Like, yeah, yeah. It'll be it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, not, not, not, not, not, not, not just, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not just, not just, not just, not just, not just, not just, not just, not just, not, not just, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they, like, like, like, like, like, not just, like, not just, not just, not just, than ever, and it's like, why fuck you spending money to put lipstick on a literal pig? Like, yeah. It'll be the Nazis, it is Blair Cottrell on Dancing with the Stars. Give it, give it two months. No, it'll be fucking Ivan Millat.

Hmm. Find out how Blair Cottrell gets his big buff physique. Was it, was it just prison weights? Yes, yes. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like. Like, like. Like, like. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's the the the thi's the thi's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theat thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. It's th physique. Was it just prison weights? Yes, yes it was. Like, okay, so for example, folks, if you take five seconds to Google True Blue Crew, you will come up with the Wikipedia entry. The True Blue Crew is an anti-Islam far-right street protest group

based in Melton Australia, founded by Kane Miller, the guy that they had on this news thing. At a protest rally organized by a true blue crew in Melbourne, police seized weapons including a knife and knuckle duster. In August 2016, member Philip Galea was charged with terrorism related offences. The type of group is far right and their purposes,-immigration, anti-Islam, anti-multiculturalism, and far-right politics. So you would think from looking at that, oh yeah, it's just a friendly neighborhood watch group.

If you look at their own Facebook page. Oh yeah. Their own, fucking Facebook page, were you right in your own description, you know? It's like having the fucking grand wizard mage, whatever the fuck is called of the KKK on daytime television. Yeah, and then labeling them, concerned citizens. Concerned citizens, vigilante groups. Local activist, yeah. Like, local activists taking, hanging black people. Local activists, yeah. Like,

the local activists taking, hanging black people into their own hands, essentially. On TV. Amateur crime fighter. It's just ridiculous. Like, yeah, they're a little about section on their own Facebook pages. We're an active pro-Australian group against Islamization, open border policies, refugees, asylum seekers, and the left wing.

This... Yeah, fuck those refugees, man. Yeah, fuck Islam's treatment of women, that, you know, the Patriot groups would never treat women badly. Just, just ridiculous. Yeah, I think the only positive thing, again, like silver lining on this story is Jody Lee, the Channel 7 reporter who filed this report and then put it online on Twitter, got absolutely bodied today. They bodied the tweet straight off of Twitter. And I went on there expecting a flood of comments like, you know, deport them all and all

this sort of stuff, which you absolutely find on the comment section of all of the news sites where it's posted because the comment sites of those sites are populated entirely by cretins. But yeah, she got just totally destroyed on Twitter. Everyone was very, very concerned about the way that this was reported, presented, you know, everything top, top to bottom. Fortunately, lots and lots of journalists took umbrage with this as well. They deleted the tweet. I haven't seen a mayor culp or anything approaching any sort of apology or anything out of them. So, yeah, well, you're not surprised by them taking the coward's way out.

But it was nice to see for once. Yeah, I'm curious about whether or not they actually pulled the segment altogether or whether they added in the end. Well 7th still got on their timeline the tweet linking to the story. Hmm. So it hasn't gone far but I assume she was just tired of being harassed as a woman online. Nothing more to it I would assume. So it's all very stupid and bad. Let's hope they can stop doing that sometime soon, but probably not. Let's be real. It's the Australian media. Sorry, no. It's going to get worse before it gets better, isn't it? It absolutely will get much worse. So to move on to something equally dumb but not as scary, a friend of the show, Mark

Latham, has, he has a cause. He has, you know, a spirit quest that he's been on. He's a dog with a bone. Now, it's funny because I could have sworn that when same-sex marriage was on its way to being legalized, when marriage equality was on its way to being legalized, Mark was kicking up a big old stink about how if we let this happen, if we let this law change, nothing's ever going to be the same, everyone's rights will be eroded.

They'll come into your house and make you bang seven dudes every night. Whatever, whatever his problem was. But now that it has been legalized, he's pretty much forgotten about that one. He's done with that now. I would have thought that if you were actually that concerned about it, that you would continue to fight back against it, you would like be running campaigns to have that law repeals, anything like that, but apparently not. Apparently, apparently that's all fine. Instead, he's continued on with frankly more important work.

And that important work is making sure that the date of public holiday Australia Day does not get changed. Very important stuff. Vital. Absolutely vital stuff. While talking about how the left gets overly upset about non-issues. Yep. About ID politics and signifiers like that. So so he's been getting pretty deep into this one for a while. He's got a website all about it I think. And I think so. And he's now gone far enough to producing some commercials for television to hopefully attempt to scare the populace into not changing the date.

I'm sure our Australian listeners will remember a little while ago when popular government funded youth radio station triple J ran a survey of their own listeners saying, hey, do you think we should change the date of the hottest 100, which traditionally falls on Australia date? And the majority of their listenership said, yeah, sure. And they went, okay, and that was the end of that. Except then we had a big flare-up of people suddenly acting like they were interested in the hottest 100. People who I have no doubt have never listened to it before their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their... their their their their their their their their their their tho thoen, tho tho thoes, thoes, which thoes, which thoome 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100, which thoom. thoes, which thoes, which the, which the, which, which, which, which, which th. th. the, which, which, which, which, which to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoes, thoomorrow thoomorrow thoiiiiauuuuiauiauiaugheateateateateate, thoes, thoes, the hottest 100. People who I have no doubt have never listened to it before in their entire life. Mark Latham

included. So Mark has made a series of commercials. Oh no sorry he's only made the one which has several made up of several vignettes and apparently he wanted to do several more but we'll get into why he couldn't do that and so like the ad doesn't really work if we just play the audio so we're gonna have to tell you the concept. What's the ad it yeah you absolutely owe yourself to watch this ad it's a few minutes in heaven extremely funny it's so funny it's one of the only time so to the only time so you're gonna to tel you to watch a the the the the the the the the the the to watch. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. tho the tho tho the tho to watch you tho to tho to to to to tho tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho the tho the the the tho. the to to watch this ad. It's two minutes in heaven. Extremely funny. It's so funny. It's one of the only times we're going to tell you to watch a commercial folks. So the ad opens with a mother at home, a blonde blue-eyed mother at home and her

blonde-blue-eyed daughter comes up to her and says... Oh, they are super Aryan children. It's a very Aryan scenario. And the child comes up to and, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's thi, it's th, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's so funny. It's so funny. It's so funny. It's thi, it's and says, Oh, they are super Aryan children. It's a very Aryan scenario. And the child comes up to her and says, Mommy, look what I made. And she's made a little card that says, happy Australia day. And the mother goes, you didn't show this to anyone, did you? And the child says, no.

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Now... Oh, sorry, I've completely messed up here. It should be noted that the commercial starts with a line saying, what's going to happen if the Greens and Labour left, get their way and change the date of Australia Day. So the first is this woman having to shred her child's art because she doesn't want to offend the thought police. The second is a woman who goes into a butcher and says, I would like several kilos of sausages and of lamb chops. And the butcher says, oh are you doing something tomorrow? And she immediately becomes incredibly visibly nervous and agitated. It says, oh no, no, I will be going to work just like anyone else on a normal day. And the butcher looks over her shoulder at this surveillance camera installed in the butcher and says,

enjoy your normal day, madam. And she snatches up the meat without paying for it and runs out. The third and final vignette is two elderly gentlemen in a retirement home and one of them quietly says to the other happy Australia day mate and gets out a little plate with two lammingtons on it which I assume are illegal in this dystopian future. And a very nurse, nurse ratchet figure comes over and scowls at them and says, talking about the good old days are you? You know you're not allowed to say things like that and then she walks off and they

both pull out from under the seats of their wheelchairs little Australian flags and wave it at her back as she walks away. Yeah, whereas in the good old days they would have just put a hand up her skirt and sexually assaulted her. And then they got murdered and then died in the war. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's good old days of having a gangrenous foot and then dying of dysentery. Yeah. Now the whole thing is just it's unintentional comedy gold. Um, I guess it's meant several issues with the story.

It's meant to be a scary dystopian future, I guess. I guess, the scary dystopian future where it's just on a different day. But this is like, but it's not like they're viewing it like, you know, through surveillance cameras and all this sort of stuff and it's like, you know, to make sure that nobody says or does the wrong thing. And I think that's like very indicative of what they think political correctness is about. Like, yeah, like, like, like, you, you, like, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's their their their their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii's their thi's justthink that's like very indicative of what they think political correctness is about. Like, yeah. It's literally the thought police, whereas like, no, we're asking you to think about the things you say and the traditions that we hold and all this sort of shit and like, you know, the consequences, but to them it's like, it's actually big brother, and they expect to be to be to be to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold to be hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their c. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their.... their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. the. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, the consequences, but it's, but to them it's like, it's actually big brother, you know, and they expect to be hauled off to the gulags because, you know, they don't believe that there should be fags in the military. Like, well, actually, coming back to that initial line on the screen at the start of the ad, it says what, what will happen if the Greens and Labor left get their way, and their their to their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the screen at the start of the ad. It says what will happen if the Greens and Labour left get their way and they abolish Australia

Day. So he's starting from a completely dishonest position. It's a straw man, I know that word from the internet. He straw manned it up. Because yeah, like people are just saying, just move it to a different date. Just don't make it the one that commemorates the first fleet landing here and killing a bunch of people. Yeah, I literally just put it one day after. It's fine. Just two days over. But instead he has to pretend that the idea is that it will be abolished because I guess secretly all people in the left hate Australia and hate living here, I suppose.

Yeah. I think that's the crux of it. I mean it's also true. That's true. It is true. But also, like it's really sad that this is genuinely how these people see the world and how they see this stuff like, oh, maybe we should change Australia Day in their head is like, I can't say or do anything. Otherwise a scary labor person's going to yell at me. See, I thought there were a couple of interesting things about this even as a concept. And the first is, like I was saying, he ran this very long extended campaign about marriage equality. And once it was legalized, we have not heard a word from him about it, right? It was going to be this whole thing where everybody was going to be forced to comply with

the thought police and all the sort of stuff. And since it's happened, haven't heard a word about it. He's not running some campaign to repeal the laws. He's not saying, you know, like, oh, beware everyone of all the consequences that I warned you about or anything. He's just stopped. And now he's moved on to this thing. He's got his whole campaign set up. He's got a fucking website. He's got all this shit. And all that it proves to me is that his existence at this point is just purely reactionary. It is purely to just say, what is the next thing that our society is going to change because that is, that is just how society functions. Yeah, what's the current issue I can make people get very angry about and watch my stupid

show filmed on fucking green screen in my backyard. Well, it was a movie critic that I was reading a, that was talking on Twitter the other day about, I think it was referring to the kind of phenomenon of like, you know, people talking about a show like Friends where if you watch it now, there will be a bunch of like gay panic jokes in it. And, or like if you watch a movie like Ace Ventura, that's funny, but the entire plot actually revolves around like transphobia. That's like the major plot point of the film. And yeah, so if you watch it entirely through the lens of the politics of today, you go, oh, well, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, you, you, you, th, th, you, you, th, you, thi, thi, you, thi, thi, thi, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you thi, you thi, you know, you know, you thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you, you, thi, you, thi, you, you, th. th. th. th. th. thi, you th, you thi, you know, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th. thin, thi, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th And yeah, so if you watch it entirely through

the lens of the politics of today, you go, oh well that wouldn't fly. And obviously I think that most reasonable people are able to look at things and say like, okay, I can enjoy all these jokes, but I recognize that this thing and this thing is Either a bit distasteful or it wouldn't fly now or I realize that the world was different then Whatever there are certain cases of things that you can go back and look at and they are so You know sort of beyond the pale that you go well. I don't think I can really indulge in this anymore. I think that those things are a bit, a bit rare and everything. But yeah, the point, the point of this guy was making was, he was saying like, there seems to be a bit of a cottage industry now of like, these little think pieces,

people are writing about. You know, oh, this piece of media or culture from the past has something in it that I think is bad by today's standards. You're saying, but that's always going to be the case. If you look at anything from 20 years ago or 30 years ago or whatever, there will be some societal norm contained in that little thing from the past that will at some point have been challenged and taken over by some new presiding norm because that is just the nature of progress and of society. Which is exactly where we find ourselves now, you know? And that's where Mark Latham is. That's where his whole life is just saying, what's the next thing?

What's the next piece of progress? What's the next thing that society has collectively said? Actually, that's kind of a shitty way to treat these people. That's, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, th, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that is just that is just that's that's that is just that is just that is just that's that's that's that's that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's just that's that's that's that is just that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi thing? What's the next piece of progress? What's the next thing that society has collectively said? Actually that's kind of a shitty way to treat these people. Let's dial that one back. I think the next thing is going to be, you can't be mean to people that own Bitcoin, which I think is like absolutely the point at which I will cross over to become a conservative. Yeah, I'd be like, no, back in my day, we used to take these nerds and beat them up. And I say that as a nerd, but, uh... You know what it's going to be for me? Ferries.

Yes. Ferries and like, um, other kin. Yeah, I get that. I think I'm actually already there with poly. Not that I have an issue with Polly itself, but with Polly people because the ones on the internet are often the worst people alive. And I think that's what's really going to cross me over the conservative boundary in the future. And I think it's very brave for you to again bring this up in an episode where Ben's not actually on, but... Yeah, I wouldn't bring it up when Ben's here. All I will say is that Polly is a relationship where the woman fucks a lot and the man

does not fuck very much. Which for a man, I think is the most respectful relationship to be in. Him. Which for a man I think is the most respectful relationship to being. Him. Damn. He got me there, Theo. He got me there. He got me there.

As a sex-positive feminist. Theo is the show's woke bay. I'm surprised there isn't a woke bay tweets about Theo. She gets some going. All I get is being accused of being the show's Dicky Knee. Or Brainy Smurf. Yeah, just these fucking incredibly specific, well-drawn characters from like 20 years ago. So thank you, the collective listeners for owning me directly

and repeatedly. Right, non-stop. Non-stop. Thank you. Unironically. This is my life now. Yeah, so the whole, the whole Mark Laithen thing is incredibly ridiculous because he's going to insist right up until the day that the date of Australia Day does get changed because it's going to happen. It is, like, to me, it is like the marriage equality thing where it just has a feel of inevitability about it. It feels like there is a large enough chunk of the population that is either like, I can be respectful enough of indigenous people to say, yeah, let's, let's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their their their their their their their their their their their their the date their their their their their their that, that, that, does does does does does that, does does does does does does does the, does the, does does the, does th, does th, does th, does th, does th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, their their their their their their their their their their their that, that, that, their their their their their thateateateat, their their thateateat, thate thate that, that, that a large enough chunk of the population that is either like, I can be respectful enough of indigenous people to say, yeah, let's change it. And then like a very hefty chunk of people who are probably going to be like, I don't really give a fuck.

Like change it if it makes some people feel better or don't either way, as long as I get a public holiday, I don't care. I feel like that's going to be a decent chunk of Australians. I think that's most people. I mean, I don't think, I don't think everyone understands the depth of the indigenous issues. And I mean, but at the same time, it's like, who the fuck cares? It's an Australia Day. It really affects your life in absolutely no way whatsoever if you change what date it's on. Yeah. Like I said, the vast majority of Australians are going to care more about, but do I still get a public holiday? Then cool. Do I still get a public holiday? Fine. Yeah, it's like it's like the Queen's birthday, like literally

nobody knows what day the Queen's birthday is. We just care we get a public holiday. That's right. Now, something very funny happened about Mark Latham's silly ad that he started running, which is that someone on Twitter, Twitter user, shksksh I'm going to choose to pronounce it like that. Four exclamation marks. Sure, well, it's, it's I think it's KSH underscore, KSH underscore KSH underscore KSM, yeah. I'm sure it went. And they got into contact with Mark on Facebook through his fabulous Mark Latham's outsiders page.

That is the one good thing about Mark Latham is that it's extremely online. It's extremely online. So this guy is on Twitter as a larger man young with the at kish kish kish kish. So he posted this thing saying, I'm pretty happy that I go back to work tomorrow. I'm not great with spare time. And this is a company by a series of screen captures. So he had sent a message over Facebook to Mark Latham's outsiders. That said, Hello, Mark and Co. My name is Tom.

I work for Charlie Brooker on behalf of Endemol UK, and your Australia Day video came to my attention. As you may know, we produce the Black Mirror Science Fiction series. We would like to know if you would be interested in having a discussion about adapting your storyline into something the Black Mirror series could use. Please let me know as we would be keen to chat. Signed, Tom Jenkins. Now, Mark has replied, hi Tom, what is Blackmere all about, please?

Are there some examples of what you're saying? What specifically have you got in mind? Mark Leithon. Oh boy. That's some black mirror shit. What if your phone tricked you? He's replied, okay Tom, you never really know who's chatting on Facebook, he says. Foolishly not knowing where this is going.

I went and checked out black mirror and I could see you guys are a serious operation. Our ad takes up a dystopian theme, a world of PC gone mad, an Orwellian scenario of what our country would look like if the PC madness extended to the abolition of our national day. It parentheses, a big political debate here. Not really. Not really, Mark. We had another three to four vignettes developed at concept stage, but didn't have the money to get them up into the ad. Three film vignettes made the point well enough anyway. Happy to talk, best by email. Mmm, I want the cut videos. I'm just storyboards. I'd be happy with storyboards. Yeah, just drawn storyboards. Drawing by Mark. Who sends another message, let's meet up in Melbourne as soon as possible.

Urgent now. Oh my god. Oh my goodness. Why did this become urgent all of a sudden? He's seen Black Mirror. He's thought this is this shot to fame. Oh my god. But did you see the, the, uh, his repost later on? No, I did not. So Helen Razor I think did an article on it on in Kriki and he replies, Kriki is fake news. A mate sends me snippets like that one today, which was not the full exchange on Facebook. I was onto the UK impersonator. He had a Melbourne FB account and photos,

but could not lure him down my path, which would have been very funny. Sorry, was he trying to turn that around into I was actually trolling him? Yeah, I think you're fired. He wasn't actually owned, and he was actually laughing. He is fired. He wasn't actually owned and he was the puppet master all of. Oh, he was actually laughing. He's laughing. It sounds like he's been taking some cues from Paul Joseph Watson.

New accident. Let's not let's not talk about Paul. Let's not bring prison Paul into this. Don't bring prison Paul into this. Why are you going to get super horny all of a sudden? I am, I am. I feel like we're going to have something special. He's going to come around, so let's just give him some space. You think he's going to take a left turn at some point? He's going to take a very, a very harsh left turn.

This might be getting into the details a little much, but is it like, is it his luxurious beard or the fact that he sounds like Ringo Star that really gets you going? It's the fact that he sounds like Ringo Starr, he's it's doing it for me. Well there we go, we learn something new about somebody's sexual proclivities every week on this show. Yeah. Paul, come to Australia, you can get it apparently. Paul, dear me, he's not about left-wing issues. So, the last thing I wanted to note about this whole thing,

beyond, like I was saying, that it just shows Latham for what he is, which is 100% pure reactionary, I don't think he really gives a shit about any particular issue. He just wants to oppose something. But more importantly, when I watched that ad, I was truly struck by the idea of how it encapsulated the concept of white privilege. Because if the, like, please go and watch that ad and remind yourself that this is a middle-aged white guy who's living on a parliamentary pension. This is genuinely his idea of a dystopian future is that he still lives in nice Australia

where you can just, you can go down to the butcher you can sit in your nice big house or live at what is apparently an extremely lavish retirement home that these two old guys live at. It looks more more like a plantation farm. Very much and but that people are like you're not allowed to have your barbecue on this this one day of the year. Yeah, it's the worst world he can imagine. Yeah, that's his worst case scenario, nightmarish future that he can come up with. Someone's like, ah, don't do this on this one day.

Yeah. Being asked not to do a thing is his nightmare of the future. That's 1984. Yep. Yeah, so that's kind of the whole thing for him. That's the whole ball game. So we'll leave Mark there for the moment. I'm sure he's going to manage to make himself look even dumber at some point really soon. I'm sure we'll see him next week. Yes. And we thought we would move on quickly to just discuss this week's this

week's casualty in the war on woke bays and of course we are talking about both James Franco and Aziz Ansari. Oh I was watching Master of None, I was watching Master of None. I was watching Master of None when it came up on Twitter. Oh. And I wasn't too surprised, to be honest. I think the big red flag for Aziz was an interview that I was reading. It was an article I was reading about like, you know, the sort of insular nature of show business and everything and how, like, what has prevented

a lot of this stuff coming up in the past. And somebody who was talking about how they had been interviewing Azizan Sari about some of this sort of stuff and he was like, oh yeah, all this stuff's really important and great and blah blah blah. And they said, oh, what about about the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort sort the sort sort sort the sort the sort sort the sort sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I was th. We's tho, thus sort of tho, tho, tho, tho. tho. tho. tho. So. So, tho. So, tho. So, thus sort sort th. I's sort this sort of stuff and he was like, oh yeah all this stuff's really important and great and blah blah blah and they said oh what about all these accusations against Louis CK who has been like a mentor who is who went that's not what we're talking about, we're not talking about that and then just cut the interview off. Oh wow okay and I was like hmm in the same way that like Amy Polo who is great friends with Louis CK and the the th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th I I I I th and th I th I th I th I th th th is th is like th is like th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, thus. Oh, thus, tho-I's tho-I's tho-I's tho-I tho-I th th th th thi thi, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi-I-I-I-I-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi, thi, tho''-s, tho'uu'a'u'u'u'lou, thi, they're, thi, they're thi, thi, thi, thi way that like Amy Polo, who is great friends with Louis C.K. and has worked with him and stuff has like just completely refused to acknowledge any of the stuff about him at any point. But yeah, for those of you who don't know, there was a piece that came out on Babe. Yes. That's how I'm right? Yeah. Where a woman recounted her experience with Azizan Sari,

where, you know, if you want to go and read it, feel free. Where basically they met her. Can I, can I put my, my lady perspective on the time? Please do. Please do. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people talking about whether or not this is an assault or a rape or whatever and it's, it's one of those complicated ones where, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi, I mean there's a lot of people talking about whether or not this is an assault or a rape or whatever and it's it's one of those complicated ones where, you know, it's vaguely consensual but he's creepy and pushes things way too far. And so I think it's not specifically someone saying he assaulted me but this is a situation that happens to women very often where men act really shitty and Aziz is someone who's acted really shitty. Yeah, and um, yeah, I think the like for a lot of people they obviously associated the easy stuff with like all of his stand-up and everything that is about, hey, there's all these ways in which guys are shitty and don't treat women well and don't read signals. Money off his feminism. Yeah, and then when you, you know, you get to a specific situation involving him personally, that's then, you know, all of a sudden he doesn't see those signals or anything.

And I mean, you can speculate, like we can speculate all we want about things like, like we were saying before the show, you know, it's possible that like he's now a very famous, very successful guy in his 30s or whatever who lives in New York. I'm sure there is no shortage of women who are very willing to sleep with him and whether or not that means that someone then basically just chooses to ignore the signals of someone who isn't being that receptive to their advances or whatever or whether he's someone who, if you go back and look at his earliest stand-up there's a lot of stuff about like how he the the the the the the th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thir, thirto their advances or whatever, or whether he's someone who, if you go back and look at his earliest stand-up, there's a lot of sort of stuff about like how he was, he was never the dude that women wanted to go home with. They go home with dumb guys and musly jocks and that sort of thing. Whether he's a little too high on his own success now or whatever.

But the point still remains the same, which is that when confronted with this, he acknowledged it, I think in a... He did. He's like, he's come out and apologized for it and said that he had no idea, which, I mean, I think it's good that we're having this conversation in that there are things that men think were consensual at the time that a woman might not have and I think it's good that people are comfortable to come out with stories like this where it's like, hey you acted really shitty even though he might not have realized at the time, because as he said a lot of his standup he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that that thi, that that that that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi,, he's the awkward dude that misunderstands signals and stuff like that. Yeah, I don't know how I felt about his actual acknowledgement of it because it was it was one of those like he kind of said

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oh, well, I guess we were just on different wavelengths, is pretty shit. And there is also, like we were saying, there's a James Franco, who I think we would all be a bit less to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a toeckuasuasuasuasuask toeckuaskieckusususususususus. toeck. toeck. toeckioleckiole. to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be James Franco, who I think we would all be a bit less surprised by. He has had a bunch of accusations come up about him just generally being a bit of a sleazy guy and I think more specifically trying to really capitalize on his fame and renown in order to get women to sleep with them or even just take off their tops or whatever. I feel like I've spent an inordinate amount of my time in the past defending James Franco. I don't know why. But like I have to admit at least one of

the things that I read, it was funny to me, I'm not saying any of this stuff is funny, but like, I'm treading, I'm treading carefully. I'm treading carefully. It's when you read about it in the context of that he was taking advantage of his celebrity and his renown as as an actor and a personality and stuff in order to, you know, exploit that relationship with women. But when you hear what the actual scenario was which is that he was running James Franco's masterclass on acting in sex scenes and... Oh my god. It's just it's a little on the nose, come on. Like... Yeah. And the stories out of it were like you you know, women saying, you know, he'd get a couple of us in a room and go, all right, everybody'd take your tops off and we'd go, what are you talking about? And he'd go, ah, and get mad, storm out of the room, or, you know, a bunch of things like that.

So, you know, I'm certainly not saying that exploiting your relationship or your power of people is funny because one of the other things that a lot of people said who had been in that scenario with him was that the materials around the courses that he ran quite explicitly stated that he casts roles from people who have been in his class. So it was very much made, yeah, it was very much made out as if you come and do this class with James Franco, there's a really strong likelihood that he will put you in a movie, that you will wind up in something good because of doing this, which of course immediately, massively exacerbates the pressure to comply with something that he's asking you to do even

if you're not comfortable. What a piece of shit. Yeah. It's so cool that we give like all this power to actors who are extremely stupid people, who very ill-equipped to deal with the power differential that like immediately springs up. So... Yeah, artists, artists are notoriously stable, good people. Yeah. Yeah, that said, I mean, I don't think this whole discourse is surely about Hollywood. Oh, no, God, no. I think it's just, I think it's partly about, I'm like, obviously, Hollywood as an industry.

Yeah, it's terrible is extra terrible There's extremely fucked up particularly in that sense of Power dynamics and stuff like that. Yeah, you got it got to do whatever you can to get a chance to get your shot to get foot in a door all that sort of stuff So I think the there are probably a lot of industries like that, but it's certainly one of the most publicly visible ones. But yeah, James Franco has also been grilled about this on a couple of talk shows over the last week or two, and also had a similarly dissatisfying, you know, sort of acknowledgement of it, which was to say, you know, he was giving a lot of lip service to the whole, to like the old Me Too movement and to the times up thing they were doing at the Golden Globes or whatever that was, he was wearing his little pin.

And then when he started getting grilled about it, he was like, oh, yeah, I mean, like, I don't really, I don't remember it like that. I don't really agree with that, that kind of assessment of that situation that these multiple women all had or whatever. I think Reductress had a headline that was like a picture of James Franco that was like, I believe women unless they're talking about me. Yeah, yeah, which is like, that's, that's, that's, that that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to me, to me, to me, to me, that, to me, to me, to me, to to that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to to to to to to to to that, that, to to to to that, to that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to me, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to me, to me, that, that, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, they're talking about me. Yeah, yeah, which is like that's, that to me is kind of the issue with with some of these kind of like-asus. It's like the guys who are the most vocal, you know, about feminist issues. It's like, the more vocal a man is about this stuff, the more likely he is to be a sex pest. Yeah, yeah, which is...

It's pretty bleak. A bit of a shame. Just a bit. Although, we can go to the other end of the spectrum here, because there was also, um, creator of community and Rick and Morty, Dan Harmon, who had been publicly accused of sexual harassment by a woman who was a writer on his show. Oh wow. And yeah, and this this had, I think she'd been quite public about this, and she just said like, I just wanted an apology.

You know, I just wanted to apology from it. And he did. He went into it on his podcast. He sort of talked about it. And she said, oh, like, was posting it on Twitter saying like, I never thought I would ask people to do this, but please listen to his podcast where he talks about this. And he just, he gave a complete sort of account on it. He said, I'll read the quote from him here.

On the latest episode of his Harmon Town podcast, Harmon said he abused both Gans and his position of power by sexually harassing her during the time she worked on the series. Quotes, the most clinical way I can put it in fessing up to my crimes is that I was attracted to a writer I had power over because I was a showrunner and I knew enough to know that those feelings were bad news. I lied to myself the entire time about it and I lost my job, I ruined my show, I betrayed the audience, I destroyed everything and I damaged her internal compass and I moved on. I've never done it before and I never will do it again, but I certainly wouldn't have been

able to do it if I had any respect for women. On a fundamental level I was thinking about them as different creatures. I was thinking about the ones that I liked as having some special role in my life, and I did it all by not thinking about it. And yeah, you really went into the entire thing as far as saying like, yeah, I was attracted to her so I just kept just kept pressuring her and like treating her differently to everybody else, and I knew that I was using my power to like put this person in a situation that they otherwise wouldn't be in. And I think she referred to it as like a, the quote from her here is, I'm not being flippant, I didn't bring up this message to sweep it back under the rug, but I find myself in the odd position of having requested an apology

publicly and then having received one, a good one, also publicly. I waited six years for it, but you can listen to it here. It's only seven minutes long, but it's a master class in how to apologize. He's not rationalizing or justifying or making excuses. He doesn't just vaguely acknowledge some general wrongdoing in the past. He gives a full account. Yes, I only listened because I expected an apology, but what I didn't expect was the relief I'd feel just hearing him say these things actually happened. I didn't dream it. I'm not crazy. I thrown. that the only person who could give me that comfort is the one person I'd. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho- tho- tho- tho- to to to to to to thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told told told told to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoooooooooooooo' told. to to to that comfort is the one person I'd never ask. Oh wow.

Yeah, and I thought that was interesting, especially coming from the creator of Rick and Morty, the bad show. The bad show. Cut off. And it's a shame that that was like immediately ruined for me by somebody posting that side by side with the clickhole article headline as a male feminist I think I'd really absolutely crush it if I had to ever publicly apologize for sexual misconduct.

What yeah I mean... jokes aside though like I mean like thatthat's horrible and what he did was horrible. But I think that's genuinely what needs to happen when we're talking about this like me-too-stuff is that like not to be like, oh, I didn't really know and just move on from it, but to be like, yeah, society told me to not respect women and so I was a piece of shit and I'm not th. like that anymore. Yeah, and I think like there's also a very important part of his apology there where where she says, oh, I'm not crazy. Yeah. This is something that actually happened, this is real kind of thing. And you know, I think some, you know, for somebody that has been like, you know, gaslit or experienced trauma or that sort of thing. Yeah, actually, actually acknowledging that it happened in concrete terms is a very simple

thing that basically everybody gets wrong when they go to apologize for, you know, like you said, you know, they kind of dance around the issue. Yeah, that was my point with both the Azizes and James Franco things. I mean like with James Franco he was basically just saying like that didn't happen. That didn't happen the way those women said. Whereas Aziz's thing was what to me is is like almost kind of worse in a way of saying oh I acknowledge this person's hurt I acknowledge like that I've done something bad to this person that they're upset by it and everything, but also like I didn't really do the thing they're saying.

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step back and be like, maybe I was a piece of shit and maybe I should learn to not be like that. Hmm. Yeah, I mean I did wonder about it in terms of like whether if someone like a Dan Harmon is, is, you know, known for being like a really good writer and stuff, whether that person is capable of a bit more like introspection and ability to, to kind of lay that stuff out there, but then, you know, it's like both of the other people that we're talking about are people whose entire public identity comes from like performing and writing and expressing something about yourself. It's not like either of them are unable to do a little introspection or anything. No, I mean that there's so much shit around this.

I feel like we would need a lot more time to talk about these kinds of issues and maybe we should do that. Yeah, I agree. But for now we'll leave it. As always, if you would like some extra material, you can go on over to Patreon.com forward slash Punta Vista. And subscribe and support the show. People have been supporting us a lot lately. We've reached one of our goals. A goal. You've been paying women, hell yeah.

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