Boonta Vista - EPISODE 40: Penis Whackerman 2

Episode Date: March 26, 2018

THE WHACK IS BACK. It's the return of one of the biggest dipshits in Australian political discourse: Piers Akerman. We get into how the Prime Minister's decision to run his "Postal Survey" has opened the nation up to bigotry and take letters from the Mailbag, including a beautiful postcard. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Don't forget to rate & subscribe on iTunes if that's your thing. _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Funtavista Socialist Club, episode 40. 40? My God. I'm having a mid-podcast crisis. I feel 40 and fabulous. I feel like Bridget Jones up in here. 40's the new 50. Flirty and feeling great. I'm Andrew. I'm here with Ben and Lucy. Hi guys. Oh, we got a joint. We got a joint hello. Mixing it up. All at the same level. I didn't mind that.

Theo is not with us today. I understand that he's at home just stressing out. I think he, at this stage, would be staring at his computer and crying. Mm-hmm. Mid-stress. Tearing out his very reasonable business-like haircut. Having a time. Yeah, so shout out to Theo. We love him. and we hope that he unscrambles the eggs that he scrambled earlier in the day. Fingers crossed. Some kind of numbers problem I'm going to guess. Yeah, numbers or what are the other ones? Words?

Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those two. Yeah. So here we are again folks and guess what? Boy do we have a treatment store for you because a friend of the show is back and that friend is none other than penis whack a man. PINUS WAGMAN! Ha ha! Return of the Wack! Return of the Wack! When did the rap horn become an option? I felt like it was worth it just to announce the return of Lucy being able to say penis whack-a-man. So you've been sitting on that on the technology for us to do spontaneous air-worns for the entire time, just waiting for the appropriate moment. Oh, that one wasn't wasn't the the thuuu's was was was was the the the the the the the thue-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-wane thue-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wane-wane-wane-wane-wa-wa-wa-wa-wane-wane-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wne. th. th. th. the-wne. the-wnenenenenenenenenenenenenenenene-wnene-wne-wne-wne-wa-wa-wa-woo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-woo'-wooo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo'-wo-wo'-worns for the entire time just waiting for the appropriate moment. Oh, that one wasn't spontaneous. That was well planned. That was planned a week in advance.

My goodness. Listeners of the show, friends of the show, will remember that we have talked about huge piece of shit calmness, Pierre Zacherman before. On a previous episode that we entitled, Lucy. Penis Wackerman? Penis Wackerman. This is, of course, the sequel to Penis Wackerman. We have several different titles we could go by. Penis Wacker Man 2, Wack Harder. Penis Wacker Man 2, Penis Buggaloo. It's 2, the Penas 2, Wacker Man 2, W whack in the habit. I still know whose penis you

whacked last summer. And penis whack man too, the hand that wacks the penis. Look I don't want to I don't want to step on your toes. They're all some fantastic suggestions. Yeah. I probably would have gone with a quiet, understated simplicity of penis backer man. That's good. That's nice. Yeah. Look, they're all great options, folks. It's very generous of you to say about your own options. Well, that included both of UseGuise's options.

So folks at home, whatever is your favorite, just print out the podcast and write that on it. You know? Yeah, choose your own adventure. It's sort of like with when Radiohead released in Rambos and you've got to assemble the case yourself and put some stuff wherever. You get to assemble the two elements for a podcast yourself. First you've got your audio, and then you've got your title. Yeah. Honestly it sounds like some some bullshit the radio had pulled. It's like going out to a restaurant and then having to put your own salad together. You know the old salad

bar. You're describing the experience of going to sizzler or an eat in pizza hut? Both of which are so common these days in Australia. Oh I'm pretty surethere's like, there's one sizzler left and it's in Queensland, right? There's like 10 in Brisbane. Oh look if I see one there, I'll go in just to get the pan bread. Oh, that's some good, some good bread. When you come up here, we'll go to, we'll go to Sizzler. Is there a sizzle? Is some some some some some some some the icez, the icez, their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, thi. Oh, tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. to Sizzler. Yeah, we'll go to Sizzler, get some ice cream and some jelly. Yeah. Hell yeah, I'm excited. I don't know why they just stayed in Queensland. I mean I think I know why. Yeah, I know why. Living in the past. So people might remember a penis whacker man's last appearance

on the show in which he wrote a column so vile that we couldn't help but get into it because it was perfectly emblematic of really all of the worst homophobic impulses that the entire same-sex marriage debate was unleashing on the community. It was very disgusting. I can't remember the specifics. Go back and listen if you were so awful. I can't remember why but it was awful. It was really bad. It was very disgusting. I can't remember the specifics. Go back and listen if you were so awful. I can't remember why, but it was awful. It was really bad. You know what, I can't remember either. Did we actually do this episode or did we just all hallucinate that we've done a Pea-this Waikerman episode before? Maybe. Collectively hallucinated. So he's back, he's back in National Toilet paper rag, Spectator, which I believe is edited by back he's back in national toilet paper rag spectator

Which I believe is edited by spaghetti head fuck rowan dean? I believe so yes Mmm just a real pile of dog shit just a heaping bucket of turds. It's it's awful. There's very few other ways to describe it. Have a crack though Ben have a crack at describing the quality of the spectator. I thought you were saying have a crack at describing Rowan Dean. I was like, it's weird that you're using it instead of he. I mean, not that weird, but slightly strange. The spectator is just where, like, every... I think I would describe it as maybe quadrant with slightly more scrutiny, maybe, but they're both just places where very wealthy conservatives

pay other very wealthy conservatives to write terrible opinions that even like editors at the Australian or the Sun wouldn't run. Yeah. Which is saying something in this country? Yeah, like, the sun wouldn't run. Yeah. Which is saying something in this country. Yeah. Like, uh, the fucking, um, Daisy Cousins's Bill Leak fan fiction. Yeah, that was in the specky.

Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful Daisy. Beautiful Daisy. Yeah. I too love to wait until somebody has died and they're writing an obituary that just strongly suggests that they probably want the the the the the the the they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want the the the the the their their their their their their their their their the love to wait until somebody has died and they're writing an obituary that just strongly suggests that they probably want to fuck me. I mean I would do that.

It depends on who the slab was but I would consider it. So yeah. Pears Acommon normally writes for, I mean he's got a column in the tele I'm pretty sure and he writes for the Australian, but apparently neither of them were willing to back this insane turd of an article. So he posted it in the spectator where, I mean ideally no one would have seen it. Like five people read the website, but instead, some keen observer on the internet, I believe I first saw it from Michael Cosio, I think is how he say his name.

Yep. Right after the age, I believe. Yeah, he sort of shared it and then moved on. And I guess in an ideal world we wouldn't even be talking about it, but it is just so fucking disgustingly shit. And I've been very angry about it since I saw it since I thi thi thi thi th. I th. I thi th. I thi thi thi thi, I thi, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I first, I first, I first, I first, I first, I thi, I thi, I first, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I th thi, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I th an ideal world we wouldn't even be talking about it, but it is just so fucking disgustingly shit. And I've been very angry about it since I saw it, and this is really the only catharsis I'm going to get short of finding Pierre Zacherman and then smothering his own face into his own stomach until he dies. So, just for a bit of context as well, let's say for any international listeners, there had been a Royal Commission, which is like a big government-backed inquiry, into like institutional

child abuse in Australia. And you know, that covered things like churches and orphanages and the Salvation Army and just all kinds of stuff and the results are absolutely horrifying as you would expect. I should note at the time when former Prime Minister Julia Gillard established the time when former Prime Minister Julia Gillard established the the Royal Commission who was it it was it from the Australian that was like oh you know this is all just just giving a bunch of people a chance to come out and just make stuff up and it was it was verythat was awful I don't I don't recall that was extremely extremely bad take said oh she's she's just trying to

victimize Catholics all that kind of thing and lo and the whole the thousands of cases and really, really horrible stuff. PINUS however has taken a particular angle on this that is especially unfortunate. And it's almost as though he has some particularly discriminatory agenda. Hmm. That he's trying to advance with this piece. Let me, let me hear you with it and we'll try and see if people can decipher his incredibly subtle, incredibly subtle coding that he's going for here. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has again flagged his intention to deliver a national apology to the victims of institutional child abuse along with compensation through

a national redress scheme paid for by you the taxpayers. Speaking after a ceremony with premieres Andrews and Berriglion at Kiribilly House six days after appearing with wife Lucy at the Mardi Gras. Very tone of indictment there. Mr. Turnbull said the recently concluded Royal Commission quote validated the stories of the survivors end quote and enabled them to quote be believed end quote. Whilst it has the fashion, whilst it has been the fashion for virtue signaling politicians to offer national apologies, Kevin Rudd's apology to the so-called stolen generation, Julia Gillard's apology over forced adoptions, and cash compensation,

there seems to be no evidence that such gestures had delivered anything more than a feel-good moment for the deliverer of the sentiment, temporary public recognition for the recipient, and encouragement for others to form victim groups and hit the taxpayer for recompense. And larger tax bills for those who still pay taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes taxed taxes taxed taxes taxed taxes the taxed taxes the the the the the the the their to form victim groups and hit the taxpayer for recompense. And larger tax bills for those who still pay taxes and are not recipients of the government's sweeping cash redistribution program. So we might just pause there for a second and hit a few of the particularly horrible notes from this last paragraph.

Let's start with, well of course he has to drop in virtue signaling because it's one of the of course. The vocabulary of about five terms that Australian conservatives have. But straight into Kevin Rudd's apology to the so-called stolen generation. Oh, so-called of course. I love a bit of stolen generation denial. Ugh. That's fucked up. Oh, so called, of course. I love a bit of stolen generation denial. Ugh.

That's fucked up. How, how at this point? I mean, it feels to me like even five or ten years ago, there were barely any voices who were hanging in there with... Oh, you know, there's good people who did it for their own good. Yeah, it's back. It's really. Retro racism, I love it.

A bit of retro racism from peers. Yeah, it's like, I don't even get how he manages to get so-called stolen generation No. And of course the idea that's examining, you know, the, you know, the, the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, you, you the, you, you, you the, the, the, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, the the th, the th, the the thin, the thin, thin, the thin, thin, that, that, that, the th generation of time. And of course the idea that examining you know the causes and the perpetrators of wide-scale institutionalized abuse of children doesn't really do anything except for make the person feel good who gets to say sorry on behalf of the country. Yeah, the Kevin Rudd experience. Yes.

And of course it encourages other peers. I'm sure a lot of people would watch any of the hearings from the Royal Commission into institutionalized abuse of children and then say, oh, I should get in on that. as he seems to be suggesting here that people would look at that and say what a sweet way to get paid. Mm-hmm. Larger tax bills for those who still pay taxes. God he's a dickhead. As though nobody in Australia pays taxes.

Yep, totally normal and fine. And are not recipients of the government's sweeping cash redistribution program. This horrifying socialist state that we live in. Disgusting stuff. Hmm. We've got the... Now look, he does say so-called stolen generation, but coming up is the most factually inaccurate part of the article in which he begins a sentence, writing in the excellent quadrant.

Oh. Classic. Oh, writing in the excellent quadrant, which has had its modest government funding withdrawn and given to leftest groups, again, absolutely unprovable, not a thing. The fact that it's clearly proven itself as not being worth giving funding to because nobody reads it and nobody gives a shit about it. I do like though that he has cast it as it being taken out of their pocket and then,

you know, the mean government has then immediately turned 45 degrees. It's it here. Here, good anarchists, you have the money. Writing in the excellent quadrant, Keith Windshuttle has rejected the idea of a national apology saying Mr. Turnbull would be wrongly attributing blame. He said the nation itself has never approved of child sexual abuse. All states and territories have long had laws against it. Quote, the blame for crimes of pederasty

lies squarely with those who perpetrate them. To say otherwise is to deny the basic idea of all morality that individuals are responsible for their actions, while institutions can bear some of the responsibility for crimes if they encourage or tolerate them or turn a blind eye, and while court cases of individual prosecutions have established clearly some institutional failings of this kind, it is plainly wrong to blame the nation. Hmm. I mean, I don't think anyone is. Like someone saying, oh God, all those priests molested those children because of Australia. Well, I notice shockingly enough that it is a hard-right conservative who has immediately returned

to the incredibly failed arguments against apologizing to the stolen generation where again it was the same line of, oh well, I didn't take anybody's family members, I didn't enslave anybody. I didn't kill him. I didn't do any kids. Yeah, so why should I have to apologize? That that to me was the most prominent line of reasoning that I remember hearing against the apologies of the stolen generation, despite the fact that the government of the day made exceedingly clear, this apology is being offered on behalf of the government of Australia. Yeah. Because it was the government of Australia that carried out this stuff and its policies

and it's only right that, you know, successive government say what the previous version of this government did was wrong. They made very clear that they were not apologizing on behalf of, you know, the population of the country, but yet still people had to paint it as this whole thing of, oh, well if they say sorry to these people, it's like they're saying, you know, they're saying that all of us are responsible and we all did something wrong, we all had a part in it. And, I mean, it goes even further than that. I mean, for the government to admit that,

like paternalistic interventionist approach to indigenous affairs was a mistake. It also criticizes their current approach to indigenous affairs. Yeah. You know, and so that's essentially an admission that there's wrong doing, and obviously you can never admit that you're wrong. It's the worst thing you can possibly do. Yeah, you know all the abuse is fine the stolen children fine. Saying you sorry though, plainly wrong. And you know they always take this very simplistic view that you always see stuff like oh oh well, saying sorry is not going to

fix it, which you know, it's true. Like that's not the point. The point has never been, oh, we've suddenly solved the whole problem, but it is, the whole point of these things is at least acknowledging that there is a problem so that you can start tackling them. Well, it's, it's interesting, it kind of makes me think of, I mean, yes, there are people who say, oh, it's just a gesture. It's just a token gesture. And I think to myself, like, yes, it is a gesture to those people. But we're wrong. It is a gesture to those communities. Yeah, in the same way that, I don, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. It's, I th. It's, I th. It's, I th. It's, I th. It's, I don't, it's, it's th. It's th. It's th. It's interesting, it's interesting, it's th. It's interesting, it's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's're wrong. It is a gesture to those communities.

Yeah, in the same way that like, I don't know, if you stomp on somebody's foot on the train and you turn to them and say, I'm sorry about that, you don't magically make their foot not hurt, but you have turned and gesture to them. Well, why don't you magically make the te their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their foot not hurt? Sorry's not going to do anything. Yeah, why bother saying sorry? Yeah, that's right. Why even bother? What the fuck? Well, I was going to say it also, it also kind of has a similar air to me of the kinds of people who act like it would be the world's greatest imposition for them to refer to somebody by their preferred pronouns. It's so difficult. As though it would be this massive thing as though like yeah I just I just don't get that stuff way even if even if

even if inside you know you thought well that's not what gender this person really is I don't believe that that's what they really are or anything like that how hard is it? you know it? th is it, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's th, it's th, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so th th th th, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so thi thi, it's so thi, it's so thi, it's so thi, it's so thi, it's so thi, it's so thi,that's not what gender this person really is I don't believe that that's what they really are or anything like that how hard is it now is it really is it some massive capitulation is it some huge compromise of everything inside you that you think is real and right and all that sort of stuff or is it literally just that is it just a gesture to another person? Just a gesture of kindness. Just treating them with a modicum of humanity for a fucking second in your life. It's not that fucking hard. Suck it up. They require you to do anything other than just say a thing.

Or in the case of things like apologies from the government on behalf of the government to a group that was persecuted or institutionally wronged by the government it requires you to do fucking nothing. You don't have to do a thing. Yeah you just have to shut up and not write a column about it. You don't have to watch it on the news. You don't have to you know walk the news. You don't have to, you know, walk around in your workplace asking everybody, you know, like what their background is and then apologizing accordingly or anything like that. You just have to, like, if you don't care, just fucking continue not caring. Continue not caring and not talking to anyone about it.

That's it. And penis goes on the same. He noted that though the Royal commission, the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal the royal their their the And penis goes on to say. He noted that though the Royal Commission and the media who have formed on its assertions have worked hard to demonize the Catholic Church, the Commission's own statistics show otherwise. The biggest single group of victims were not alter boys or choristers or even Catholic school students. But inmates of out-of-home care institutions, that is foster care households and homes for the disabled orphans and homeless. Yeah, because churches don't run any of them. Anyway, I like that specifically altar boys and choristers, Catholic school students. And, and also let me just say, I enjoy the idea here that he's suggesting

that any single one of these people that he's talking about is like more or less worthy of attention based on how many people in their demographic were abused? Hmm. As though you you meant to be angry about one or the other or anything like that. Quote, so I believe he's still quoting from Keith Windshuttle here, quote, apart from that, one apparently obvious inference from the report statistics is it is mainly boys who are victims, 63.6% and it is mainly adult men who are the perpetrators 92.8% male and 83.8% adult.

In short, child abuse and institutions seems to be committed mainly by homosexual men, praying on vulnerable and disturbed children displaced from their own families. Oh boy. Yeah, so... Yeah, so... Good grief. I mean, the sentence that follows that up is, however, so... Good grief. Good grief. I mean, the sentence that follows that up is, however, not even this broad conclusion is reliable.

Yep, very helpful stuff. Well, in fairness, if we continue on, who's using that to undermine the evidence given by abuse victims. The Commission's figures are all based on 9,325 verbal and written accusations. None of them formally cross-examined. Of these, the commission could only refer 2,562 or 27% to the police. In other words, three out of four complainants did not provide good enough evidence to take the matter any further. Number one, I wonder how many of these things happened to someone like

40 years ago and this is the first time that they finally come forward and talked about it. But yeah let's just let's run it back for a second and toucest on what is the core contention of this article which is basically just the direct linking of pedophilia and homosexuality. So, like, even if, okay, let's accept the thrust of his argument, right? He's saying that disproportionate to the percentage of the population that is homosexual or bisexual, are homosexual or bisexual men represented in the statistics for sexually abusing children, right? So let's take his argument there. His argument there is that being a pedophile is inherent to being homosexual. Then let's look at the other statistics that we were presented with.

92.8% of the abusers are men. So disproportionate to the fact that 50% of the population is men and nearly like every single perpetrator was a man. Isn't it a much more convincing argument to say that sexual abuse is inherent to men more than is anything else? Like if you're going to use those statistics to back up your argument, you're a fucking dumb cunt because it's already you're already undermining yourself with this stupid thing. So fucking he could have written the same article saying men need to apologize on behalf of it, but obviously he would have been fucking crucified by every single right-wing

person for misandry and fucking sexism and all that fucking bullshit these people are so fucking dumb and they get paid so much money. I know it's ridiculous. Hey just to pause for a second I am looking at this article on the spectator website and in the sidebar there are links to two other articles one has a picture of Yasmin Abmijid who just received the young Voltaire award thingy. So the free speech award? Yep. With the title of the article saying this is in an honor it's a circle jerk and then immediately below that there is an article with the title,

Haven't we hounded Barnaby Joyce enough? Oh my God. Oh my God. Sorry, that was distracting me for a moment. There's no capacity for self-reflection. Zero. So, yeah, like we were just saying, there's the obvious straightaway equivalency to that. And like, I don't know what sort of extremely elementary understanding of, you know, rape and sexual abuse and sexual violence that you would have to have to not get that in almost all cases it is about power, it's about exercising power over another person, like

how I don't think that everybody who commits a rape in prison is a homosexual. Yeah. Like, it's just such a ridiculous, it's a homosexual. Yeah. Like, it's just such a ridiculous leave. Yeah, so I, I, um, I was having a look at some of the submissions to the inquiry and someone sort of addressed this point specifically, uh, Dr. Mary Keenan, lecturer at School of Social Policy, Social Work at Social Justice, the University of Dublin. She was on the advisory board, oh no, sorry, so she was an advisor to the Royal Commission and a board member for their literature reviews. And I mean, her take on this was basically that you can't really point to homosexuality or

individual intent even as a factor here. So this is from the intro to one of her submissions. This section I call the Theology of Sexuality, which includes mandatory celibacy as it contributed to the occurrence of child sexual use in Catholic institutions. Attempts to control sexual desire and sexual activity in my view led to sex-obsessed lives of terror in which the body was disavowed. Sexual desire was a problem to be overcome and the moral superiority of vowed virginity was presumed. The clerical perpetrators in my research could not openly acknowledge the reality of their sexual lives and losses even long before they began to abuse boys and girls. There was another part here where she's speaking about. Another issue that is often raised in relation to clerical men who have sexually

abused minors relates to the question of homosexuality is the sexual abuse of minors. Is the sexual abuse of minorse, the result of the ordination of men of a homosexual orientation. On closer examination, this question assumes that homosexuality per se is responsible for the sexual abuse of minors by Roman Catholic clergy, the sexual abuse of minors, by Catholic clergy, however, this is not seen to be the case bysexual or bisexual orientation. Mgloan suggests that 46 to 60 percent of Roman Catholic clergy who sexually abused children and young people are of a homosexual bisexual orientation. However, there is no evidence that sexual identity and sexually abusive behavior have the same origins. And whilst the majority of priests and religious have abused adolescent males, the picture does not represent a simple linear trajectory from child's

sexual abuse of males to homosexuality or the other way around. In the general child sexual offender field, adult heterosexuality is still reported as the predominant sexual orientation of men who sexually abuse pre-pubrtle children, both males and females, whilst adult males who abuse adolescent males are much more likely to be men of a homosexual orientation. However, it is not simply the case of heterosexual men abusing pre-puburtile girls and homosexual homosexual men abusing boys as heterosexual men. What? Oh, as heterosexual men also sexually abused pre-pubertile boys and indeed the data may not be relevant anyway for clodi men who represent a distinct group. Basically the takeaway from that is you just can't draw a conclusion from it. Like, there's no clear line there. There are so many

different factors at play. And I mean you're talking about an institution that is largely dominated by men, but, you know, that doesn't matter. As we always point out with these articles. None of the research, none of the facts. None of it fucke matters. You can just say whatever you're dumb. Yeah, there's nothing. There's no scrutiny. No anything. Well, apart for anything else, Caesar, he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he the he the he the the the he there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there is, there is, there is, there is, there is, th is there is tho, there are tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is, that is that is. That is, that is. That is, that is, that is that is that is th. That is th. That is th. That is th. th. That is th. th. th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's, what he's really using all of this for is to get to his central point. The antagonism here. So, if adult males were responsible for the overwhelming majority of cases of sexual abuse found to have occurred in institutions, why aren't adult male homosexuals made responsible for the bill now?

Ah, f-ph-phhh! Yeah. That's a rational thing to say from a very rational logical person. It's just, just insanity. Given the empirical evidence provided by the Royal Commission, surely it is time that the greater homosexual community took some responsibility for those damaged by pedophile members. As uh, yeah, the gay and lesbian martygrat parade is sponsored by a number of organizations including notably A&Z Ed Quantus MediBank Holden, well up beauty product, star casino, google, blah, blah, blah, blea. The organizers of this year's March claim its 12,300 participants were watched by an estimated 300,000 spectators so perhaps they could underwrite the redress program. Or was the whole thing just a distraction from the real issue of child abuse in dysfunctional, aboriginal communities and broken homes?

Oh boy. Wow! It's truly remarkable, I think, to see a piece written like this where just to see somebody's prejudices laid so bare. So evidently, just completely disregarding the Catholic Church. Like, there's, well, yeah, I mean, well, that's what I was about to say in terms of it very clearly being nothing other than being intended as a petulant slight against people who demand that the Catholic Church take responsibility for its own covering up an institutionalization of this abuse. And in that context, what people are talking about is, you know, decades-long patterns of abuse, of covering it up, of transferring priests to other parishes so that people could, in from that neighborhood, could stop complaining about them from hiding evidence from the police and from the government all

while raking in shitloads of money as a tax-exempt You know institution, but yeah this this idea this childish assertion of Oh, well if it was a man who had sex with a male child, that makes him gay, so I guess all gay people are responsible for it now. Like are people asking for the government to fund compensation to victims of the Catholic Church? They fucking should be. Or are they asking for the Catholic Church? They fucking should be. Or are they asking for the Catholic Church to do that? Yeah.

And how does he manage to jump from all of this to this entire thing in which thousands of people came forward and told their stories of being victimized at the hands of foster parents and priests and teachers in orphanages and everything. This entire thing is what a big manufactured conspiratorial distraction to stop lefty PC police from having to talk about aboriginal communities? I reckon it's just that his brain is just a giant pile of rat turd. Yeah, I think it's really the only way to explain this. Well, and like it sort of comes back to what I was just saying about, does he, like, clearly he doesn't expect that anybody will turn around and demand that the gay community

pay for compensation, so he's just saying it to say it. He's just saying it to just fling barbs at a community that he dislikes. And him managing to tack on this shit at the end about aboriginal communities and broken homes really does nothing to disabuse me of that idea. Yep, just homophobia and racism all in one. Ohhhh. Got a double whammy there. Good on him. Impressive. Wealthy homosexuals and corporations generously supported the homosexual marriage lobby earlier this year, but show no appetite for exposing or indeed even recognizing the reality of homosexual abuse in institutions.

The end. Wealthy homosexuals. Is that a specific group? You know all those billionaire homosexual activists in Australia. Elite gay people laughing from their ivory towers where they're doing gay things. It's about 40% of Australia's population is gay billionaires. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. That's right.

Gay, gay rubber barons, you know? Just, just disgusting. Sickening. I'd like to send a big, big Buonto Vista fuck you, to, um, to penis whack-a-man. I would just like to say penis-whacker-man. Mmm, penis-whackerman. Mm-hmm. Yep, I think we can all agree when I say penis-wackerman.

I hope he finds our podcast one day. Oh me too. It made me really happy. I mean unfortunately we've we've made it so that he won't be able to find it by searching his name. Yeah true. It's I don't know that this sort of shit is so frustrating because I mean there's no recourse right he can say insane stuff like this and you know it's not like he'll be censured by the MAA, it's not like he'll be... No. Like there's nothing. You won't get any feedback about it because all these conservatives live in these tiny little bubbles that's like just them and five

other colonists who all have the same opinions and they all write them on the same day. Yep. Pretty much, pretty much. Well he will get to just write this stuff uninterrupted right up until the moment that for the spectator goes out of business because it's a huge pile of shit and because they keep getting sued for defamation. How are they getting money? They just lie it about? Or was that, or was that quadrant? It could be either. The, well, so the UK spectator is actually huge and I feel like they're probably underwriting the Australian one. Yep. They probably skate by with a bit of that. One of the, just the last thing I wanted to note from that is that obviously none of the recommendations that came from the Royal Commission had anything to do with homosexuality, but one of the ones they did recommend was that the Australian

Catholic Bishops Conference should request that the Holy See make substantial changes to canon law, including relaxing celibacy rules. You got to let your priests fuck dude. You do. You do. You got to, oh my god. So I've just clicked on the Spectators UK website. And one of the first articles that comes up is titled, Why Are There No Pubs Called After Lord North? That is so British. Is that correct? Gramming? Why are there no pubs called after Lord North? I don't know who that is. So I'm guessing they're tackling the issues. The big stuff. The really big issues.

So we did get asked a question this week. I asked for some letters in the old mail bag. And I've taken out this postcard. It's got a picture of a big tidied lady on the front. A little string bikini, she's on the beach. Can you forward that to me? Yeah, it says on it, wish you were here. Oh, that's nice. Implying, wouldn't it be nice if we were on the beach? That big tittied lady. It would be nice. Objectively, that'd be lovely. I don't know anything about the weather or which beach it is. Oh, it is sunny. The water looks warm. It is crystal clear. Well, that sounds heavenly. How big of the titties? The titties are glistening. They're glistening. I'm gonna say double d's. Fetis. F8s? Those big round, domy-like titties? No, it's like a retro 80s postcard. Oh. Real titties. Yeah, she's got that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of ies. Yeah, she's got that kind of feathered hair, heaving big naturals, natural knocks. Big knocks. Up in the place.

Having knocks. So I very reluctantly flipped this postcard over to read the back. I did it, I did it while standing in front of a mirror though so I could still kind of see the picture in my peripheral, in vision because you don't you don't give up a pair like that just for nothing you know so I saw that friend of the show Lockheed Brennan had sent us this postcard this very real postcard thanks loaking about yeah and uh lucky lucky asks maybe you could dig into the whole Reese Nicholson incident and the ramifications of the plebiscite on a social level, or you could rail Malcolm Turnbull

again for being spineless and then taking the credit that works too. Now, I don't know if you guys are aware. I was not until, um, until I took way too long looking at this postcard. I was not aware of the Reese Nicholson scenario.. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was th. I was th. I was. I was not. Um. I was not. to. Um, um. Um, to. Um, to, to. to, to, to, to, to, totoo long looking at this postcard. I was not aware of the Reese Nicholson scenario. But he is a comedian from Newcastle, home of leader of the Apex gang, Matt Vibrating. He is a Novacastrian. As is, as is Tim. Wow, see in the Apex game?

A friend from the unions. I think he's applying. He's pledged. He's pledged to the union. So Matt will give him, you know, three or four wax with the paddle, and then he'll probably be in. So there was this new story about Reese Nicholson, having recently, I'm reading this from

the Herald Sun, having recently endured a homophobic rant on a Melbourne train last week while on his way to perform a local gig. The Melbourne-based comedian was on a citybound upfield train on Thursday night when three men and a woman boarded at Coburg Station and was told, quote, if there was no one here I'd bash you to death. Nicholson said one of the men looked him up and down and remarked, quote, you can always spot a faggot in Melbourne. I rolled my eyes the comedian said and then he said to me it's looking at me, something's going to happen. It was between the back and forth that the beating me to death to death to death to death toe toe toe tooe tooe tooe tooe tooe. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. they. too. they. they. they. they. too. I was, they. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I was, their. I was, their. I was, they. I was, they. I was, they. I was, they. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was, the the the the they. I. I. I was, they. I was, they. I was, they. I was they. I was they. I was they. I was th. I'm th. I'm the th. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the beating me to death comment happened. He wasn't in my face, but that was more terrifying. They were just well-dressed regular people.

Nicholson exited the train and parliament station to report the incident. However, he stressed he wasn't physically harmed. Quite unfine, he said, a lot of people were asking if I was okay afterwards. I was quite shaken by it, but this shouldn't be a thing that's happening to people. The comedian said he's worried that some people feel it's acceptable to abuse others in public spaces in the wake of the postal survey on same-sex marriage. Quote, of course there are no voters thou and homophobic, he said they just have a traditional view and do not hate queer people, but that whole process is given people a reason to say things that are incredibly the the th.......... I I I. I. I. I thably, thably, thi a thi. I is incredibly thi. I is incredibly thi. I's, thi. I's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thri, thri, throooooi.auui.aui.aui.aui. And, thr we have same-sex marriage now, but I feel like it's also not a time to rest on our laurels. So much more needs to be done. There's so many things like how I can't

give blood. Nicholson will be performing at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival across four weeks from March 29th to April 22nd. So if you're in town, get along and see him, I have no idea if he's good. Seems like a nice, nice lad. I truly believe he is one of Australia's best stand-ups. And I generally don't like stand-up, because I find it insanely corny and terrible. Same. I don't like stand-up. But he's just a fucking phenomenal performer. Like every single line he delivers. The whole thing is just it's very sharp it's very quick he's just ugh I love him I love him he's very cute want to kiss him

I would like to apologize I'd like to apologize to Reese for not being aware of who he was before oh man I'll send you some of his bits after he's very kissable very very smooch. And his partner is also unbelievably gorgeous. They're just a pair of hot, hot men. I hope neither of them are listening to this. No actually I don't care. I hope they are. I love you both. Would you go so far as to call them hot to Mali's?

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gay people. And this sort of stuff. And I, yeah, I think it is fair to say that exactly what everybody said was going to happen when Malcolm Turnbull announced his his postal survey was that people were going to come out of the woods would work with just nasty shit and they did. They sure did. And it's still going. Yeah I mean that's it's been covered extensively but the crux of it is if you put into the public consciousness the idea that the validity of gay people is undecided what the fuck do you think is going to happen? Yep. It was a bad time.

It's a bad time and Malcolm Turnbull can go fuck himself for going in the Mardi Gras here. Oh yeah well there was that whole incident with Cher as well. Yeah which I mean was wonderful. I wonderful, you know, Turnbull took a selfie with Share and then a bunch of people tweeted it and just being like, hey this guy's actually a huge cunt she was like, oh god I'm so sorry. It's wonderful, Share, great person. Love, love Share. Well shout out to Share for, you know, proving why she is a long-lasting figure in just listening to people. People told her that and she went, oh no. That sucks. That sucks, and it's bad that I've

made everybody think I was down with this dude. Sorry. She could have, she could have dug her heels in, she could have, you know, she could have got defensive, all that sort of stuff, as a lot of people do when confronted with the idea that perhaps one of their associations is unsavory, but she just went, ugh, that's no good. And I should also note that I think that what she did say in the wake of that, which was, oh, like, you know, she initially said to one or two people, oh, th.... th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, she could th, she could th, she could thi, she could thi, she could thi, she could the, she could throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the, the, the, th wake of that which was, oh like you know she initially said to one or two people, oh you know that can't be right people said oh he's you know treated the treated the gay community in Australia terribly subjected us all to this awful thing and she said oh that can't be right the guy I was hanging out with was you know he was very eloquent and spoke, you know, he spoke very, very highly impassionately about equality and equal rights and how

much he loves the gay community and all sort of stuff and it just really hammers home once again just what a pathetic spineless shit Malcolm Turnbull is. Because, you know, there's there's only two things that are possible in this. once again just what a pathetic spineless shit Malcolm Turnbull is. Because you know there's only two things that are possible in this scenario, which is that he either was slitheringly crawling before a chair and prostrating himself and talking about how much he loves the gay community when he really, really doesn't because You know why else would he have put everybody through what he did? Or the other option is is that he actually does feel like that, but he would still rather do what he did

than have to actually, you know, stand up for what he believes in, actually attempt to be a leader in any kind of sense. He is still so beholden to power in such a fucking pathetic craven way, that he would gladly put everybody through that, and then turn around afterwards and say, oh, well, nobody else managed to get same-sex marriage legalized, did they? As though that was what the liberal party were trying to do? Yeah. Huge piece of shit folks. I genuinely believe that he thinks he is a great ally and that he's done great by the queer community. Oh yeah, really? He considers this th thi thi thi thin tho and then turned around the the the the the thi the thi thi they they thi their their their their their their their their their their their thin then then thin then then then then then then then then thin then then then tooen then then then then then then then thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, then thi thi thi then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then toe toe toe toe toe toe toe and toe and then then toe and thin thin then thin toe and thin te and te and te and te and ty then ty then ty then try then then ty then then try then then then then then then then then then then then then he is a great ally and that he's done great by the queer community. Oh yeah, he considers this his victory I reckon, the thing that he did. Yeah, and it's that super insidious kind of homophobia that it sort of, I mean, dominated people's opinions throughout this whole thing is that just no one, you know,

we're so used to thinking of gay people as second class citizens that treating them as such just didn't ping with anyone, you know. If you don't really think of gay people as people, the idea they've been like, are they? Are they not? Whoa? It won't strike you as something wrong. And that's what happened with them. You just, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, ah, are they? Are they not? Whom! Doesn't, you know, it won't strike you as something wrong. And that's what happened with him. He just doesn't think of them that way, so it doesn't fucking matter.

Yeah, I've struggled with that one. I genuinely don't know whether or not he thinks he's done something great or if he purely just thinks, well, I'd better immediately start to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thiiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thrown thr thr thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the thiiiiiii the the the thiii the the the the thi the thi not he thinks he's done something great or if he purely just thinks well I better immediately start trying to cast it in that light and then hopefully that's how history will remember it. But either way he's a fucking massive coward and that leads me on to our next segment folks and that is digging a little further into the old mail bag. We are here in Mailbag and the thoun and we have a letter from front of the the show th.. to to to to th. th. th. th. th th. th th the show th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I to the. I to to the, I to to to to to to to to thi thi thi th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th right I th right I I th right I th right I I th right I to to to to th right I I to th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theateateateateateate theateateateateateate theateate the theateate the the the the the th a little further into the old mail bag. We are here in Mailbag Town, and we have a letter from front of the show, Average Gamer, who was a brand new patron. Just this date, signed up.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. He tweeted at the old show and said, I just listened to my first ever episode and immediately became a patron. Wow. That was an awful idea. Don't know I did that. Yep. But well done to you. Well, I still think it was good. One out of three. One out of three ain't bad. And in a the minority report, if you will. And in a related question they say, other than Malcolm Turnbull, who is the biggest coward in the Liberal Party? Ooh. Ooh Oh

Fuck. Should have thought of this one. Maybe even still Tony Abbott. I think Tony Abbott's too scared to do anything other than exactly what he's doing right now. Yeah, he's a pussy. He's a tiny little baby. He'll never get out of them. He'll never get out of that. I'm going to say, uh, Tim Wilson. Ooh. It's an interesting one. Yeah, Tim Wilson does... Well, he seems to me a lot like the sort of Junior Malcolm Turnbull.

Someone who believes in about 15% of what the current modern liberal party actually stands for. I think he's someone who theoretically believes in the idea of being a small L liberal, but also look at the fucking parties attached it. Scott Morrison's a fucking pussy. I hate Scott Morrison. I'm just saying this because he blocked me on Twitter. He is a coward. It's a coward.

It's a weak move. Yeah. All right. So moving on. Hmm. Friend of the show, Mike Graney says, I've gotten a sense from the show in the past that you aren't super into the Petuta advocates.

Could you elaborate on that? Ooh. We can. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. We can indeed.

You know, comedy is subjective. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, so my objection with them isn't that they just use sort of public access jokes that already exist as the crux for 90% of their articles instead of providing any actual insight into anything which is supposed to be the function of satire. And I will concede, sometimes they do some pretty funny stuff. They do. My issue with them is not the fact that that that that that that that that that that that ire and I will concede sometimes they do some pretty funny stuff. My issue with them is not the fact that most their articles are written incoherently and despite the fact that they've done 10,000 of them, they still don't know how to do imitation news voice. My article with the my issue with them isn't even that their whole thing is pretending to be two country boys and they use th. th. th. th. to th. to th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. the, the, the, thi. theateate. the. the, the, thi. It's thi, thi, my thi, my thi, my thi, my thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It, the th. It, th. It, th. It's th. It's thi, thi, thi. It's thi. It's thi, thi, thi's thi's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi them isn't even that their whole thing is pretending to be two country boys

and they use that to sort of show scorn for inner city lefty media types, which is a big recurring theme in their work, despite the fact that they run an ad agency in fucking Redfern. My issue with them is that their politics are fucking stupid and opportunistic. You know, they try and get credits for being progressive about issues but are happily willing to completely backflip on those. You know, they always have, they fucking hate feminists. A really big recurring theme is how many articles I have about hating feminists and feminism.

They just like... They literally hang out with Malcolm Turnbull. Like they are pictured often with liberal party members. Yes. Do not think you're making great satire that questions the status quo when you're doing that. Yes that would bring me to my point, which is, number one, a shorter version of what Ben was saying. They're basically just the onion light in a lot of senses. They're very clearly going for that tone of voice, and I think a lot of the time it doesn't quite land.

But more importantly, there is that sort of stuff like having Malcolm Turnbull come and launch your book and having Malcolm Turnbull spend election day with you doing a live stream and shit like that. I think the essence of stuff like satire ideally should be speaking truth to power and it's very hard to do that when your friend's dick is in your hand. Exactly. This stuff's funny sometimes. They've got funny stuff. I won't deny why people like them,

but yeah, a lot of this stuff is very inherently punching down. Yeah, 100%. And they've like, I'm trying to think, I had two examples of this, but I can only think of one at the moment where their whole thing is basically that trying to make the world better makes you a shit like you know they did one making fun of people that were posting photos of their plebiscite ballot on Instagram whereas like you know that was just everyone being like yeah it's great that I'm getting you know

to say fucking yes to this and I'm trying to show other people that I'm doing this and remind them to do it as well whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever. whatever it's what it's what it's, what it's, like. it's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it's th, it's th, it's th th th the the their, it's th. thi, it's thi, it's thi, that's th, thi, thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's their, like, like, like, like, like, like, yeah, it's great that I'm getting, you know, to say fucking yes to this and I'm trying to show other people that I'm doing this and remind them to do it as well or whatever. It's the most innocuous, harmless thing and they came at it from this really weirdly mean place. And they've done that, oh, something else, and I wish I could think of what it was, but it's essentially the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same the same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same the same the same joke the same joke the same same same same same same the same joke the same joke the same joke the same joke the same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same same the same the same the same the same the same same same same the same same same same the same same same same same same same same same same the same same same same same same same same same same same same the same same same same same the same same the same same same same the same joke was like reading the comments on the fucking, the ballot one. And like, every fucking reply was some guy being like, yeah, I'm sick of these faggots rubbing it in our face. Like, ooh. If that's your fans, you're probably not doing the best job at satire. Yeah. Pretty much, if people can't distinguish it.

Yeah, yeah, so there you go. That is, some reason. That is our answer. Yeah, I mean, they've definitely done some stuff, some headlines that are quite funny, but more often than not, they're just churning out just shitty garbage. Hmm. We also have here, what we've got, a friend of the show, Matt Harris, says, Wokeness Advice, two of my favorite pastimes are listening to hip-hop and respecting women. But lots of good hip-hop is relatively unwoke. Are these two activities fundamentally incompatible?

Does the woke gentleman have to give up the Wu-Tank clan? And I say to this, no! Do not give up the Wu-Tank clan. Are you going to stop watching movies where someone gets shot just because you don't shoot people? Ridiculous. I feel like art art can be outside feel like art can be outside of the problematic scale in some senses. Yes, don't get me wrong. There is absolutely hip hop that I listen to now, that I listen to like 10 years ago and I go, ugh. Like say, listen to, listen to like, um, like specific stuff of like, um, like, um, shoot people, like say listen to like specific stuff of like an old Dr. Dr. Dre album or an Eminem album or something where where there's literally just fantasies of killing women on records and like it's not even in the format of a song. They just do it like a radio play and it's mortifying.

I was thinking that recently about when Dr. Dre finally put out that album detox, which was going to be like the chronic two or whatever for like 20 years. No, sorry, it was called Compton. And it was going to be called Detox and it it was turning into hip-hop's Chinese democracy, where it was never gonna come out, and it finally did. And it was fine. Had a whole bunch of Kendrick Lamar on it, which is good. But there is a little interlude in the middle of that of somebody going, oh, I'm gonna kill you to a lady who is screaming and begging him not to, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and to, and to, and to, and the, and to, and to, and the, and to, and the the the to, and the the the the the to, and to, and thu, and thu, and thu, and thin, and thi, and thu, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, thi, thin, thi, thin, thin, thi, to, to, thi.. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, kill you to a lady who is screaming and begging him not to and then gunshots and stuff.

And I was really struck by like how out of place that is in hip hop now. Yeah, I was sort of like, oh people don't do that anymore and it's probably for the best. Yeah, it's just becoming more woke. But doesn't mean you can't enjoy the things that weren't so woke. Yeah, in the same way that like, you know, you can watch old trash movies and all that sort of stuff. I would say that I think there is a lot of hip-hop that to me is basically like, it's basically like, it's basically like the pro wrestling of music, you know, where a, it, it just braggadocio. Yeah it's performance it's not like no one listens to fucking ghostface killer and goes oh I'm taking this very seriously and literally. Yeah yes but yeah I think you use your

own judgment often I think you can use your own judgment and see when something's coming from a bad place. I would go in the other direction as well and say, hey, you could listen to a whole Chris Brown album about how nice he is to women. Exactly. Yeah, and that doesn't mean that he's not a huge raging piece of shit. So, you know, use your own judgment. I think you can kind of tell in music sometimes if people kind of really mean it. Yeah. What do you think Ben? Absolutely. Yeah.

So on that note we are going to take I think one or two more questions? Sure. Sure. Do you guys feel like one or two? That's good to do two. I'm not. Okay. Yeah, why not? Well, I think thi. Uh, I thi. Well, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. th thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho th th th th th th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. Yeah, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th or two? That's good to do two. I'm not going to do two. OK. Yeah, why not? All right. Well, I feel like this one is mostly for Ben because Lucy doesn't leave the house. Sure.

Uh, friend of the show, oh, lover of the show, thank you very much. Matt Taylor. Kisses. Matt Taylor recently increased his pledge in order to convince Theo to buy a big cookie. Okay. I hope it worked. It did. It did. It did. Thio said, ooh, they've got big, fancy cookies downstairs, but they're like six dollars. And Matt replied to him and said, hey, what if I'll bump up my pledge of him,

means you get the big cookie. And he did it, and I let Theo know, and he immediately went and bought a frankly obscene-looking cookie. I respect that. It was like a big cookie sandwich filled with chocolate ganash kind of things. Yeah. So big kisses to you, Matt, and big kisses to you from Theo's tummy, which is now full of cookie.

So Matt says, Canadian here, A, he didn't say that, but he did. He thought I'd throw that in. He thought it. No. Thinking of visiting Australia. Any recommendations of places to see, things to do, et cetera, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, the. the. the, the, the, the, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, to, to, to, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thea. thea. toea. toea. toea. toe. too. toe. too. toea, toe. toe. toe, to see things to do etc Be as serious or ridiculous as you deem necessary. Oh boy Say out of Canber don't bother with Cambron. Oh, come on now. It's my only advice. Wow. Well, he's not unless are you are you planning to visit Camber and then live and work here for several years? Because apparently that's not a great holiday.

So I feel like Ben is the one who goes traveling and camping. He looks at the outside of houses. He looks, he goes, he goes out of the door and then he just keeps going. I'll leave my house. I go to the pub. I go to the pub. I feel like they got th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. tho. tho. th. tho. th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho to toda today today today today today today today today today today today today today today today today t door and then he just keeps going. I'll leave my house. I go to the pub. I go to the pub. I feel like they got pubs in Canada though. They've probably got pubs there. So Ben what would you suggest a gentleman coming to Australia? I mean this is a time and budget issue obviously but probably the three things that you kind of have to do

in Australia I reckon you got to do at least part of the grape area reef while it's still alive if you can do the Witsundays go up to Early Beach you fucking you're in for a treat the weather's fucking perfect all year around it's like the most beautiful place in the world it's full of backpackers but you can ignore for a treat. The weather's fucking perfect all year round. It's like the most beautiful place in the world. It's full of backpackers, but you can ignore them, that's fine. That's definitely worth doing. Definitely should do Tasmania, because it's just fucking insanely beautiful, and

all they do is make the world's most incredible cheeses and beers and whiskies. And it's just full of... Tasmania is great. I recommend Tasmania. Like no one lives there. The capital of fucking Tasmania has a population of 250,000. It's fucking tiny. And everywhere else in Tasmania is much, much tiny than that. So it's great. Everyone there is super nice. Nothing's crowded. It's all beautiful. The fucking gallery, Mona. It's one the best fucking art galleries I've ever been to. Kicks ass. So you've got to do that. And probably the top end. Probably should do Darwin.

See a lot of crocks. See some red dirt. Or you could go to Dream World. Oh yeah, Dream World. You could go to Dream World on the Gold Coast. It's a great place. Do not go to the Gold Coast. Oh man, today I was looking at some articles for, for some other articles on a website that I'm writing articles for just so I could kind of get the feel for the tone. And like one of them was written in Cantonese. So I hit the the the on it, just out of curiosity to see what it was about, and it was about like the best places on the Gold Coast to view wildlife. So I think it was largely targeted at Chinese

people coming over for the Commonwealth Games or whatever. Doesn't matter. But the the opening paragraph, I can't remember what the first couple of sentences were, but the translation of the last sentence was, come to the Gold Coast where everything is fulfilled. What? Where everything is fulfilled. That is not true of absolutely anything you could want anywhere. Don't go to the Gold Coast. Don't go to the Gold Coast. Yeah. Or don't go to Sydney.

Don't go to Sydney. I mean, go to Melbourne. Go to Melbourne. I mean, I love Brisbane, but I would not recommend it if you're on a tight budget and you've got time constraints. But I would recommend living here. Hmm. And'll let go. And final question, folks, final question for the day is from Friend of the Show Flash

Man, who says I would like the hosts to each recommend a song we should listen to this week. Oh, that's very nice. Hmm. Hmm. Oh, I fucking have been listening to the same fucking song over and over and over again this week. Evangelion by Thundercat. Sounds very indie. It's like... It does. I don't know what you genre you'd call it. Maybe soul, maybe. Cool. But it's just fucking great, really short.

It's like two minutes long and I wish it was three times a song set. Evangelion, Thundercat, listen to it. My recommendation is to listen to the song eco friend uh... from the album onism by photo ta y hmm how do you guys you guys know some underground shit oh god i love him god i love uh... everybody please listen to them by all of the uh everybody please listen to them by all of the albums. Certainly a couple of them.

But they're super good. Listen to that whole album. Fantastic stuff. What about you, Lucy? I've been listened to nothing but Lil Peep. Rest in Peace, Little Peep. Awful things. It's a very good song.

It's Emo hip hop. Very into it. Very, very into it. It makes me want to, makes me want to die in a good way. Like, it's good. Great stuff. If you're feeling bad, awful things by little peep. Yeah. So there you go, folks. That just about does it for the show. I should notice well. We now have, thanks to reaching one of our patron goals, we have made a whole bunch of merchandise available. Yeah we have. I'm ordering one.

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