Boonta Vista - EPISODE 53: We Can Forget It For You Wholesale

Episode Date: June 25, 2018

Andrew, Ben and Theo are talking reality TV, tax cuts, Jordan Peterson vs. Jim Jeffries and which celebrities have had their brains destroyed by the powers of Online. Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista Merchandise now available: boontavista.com/merchandise _____________________________ Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Bontavista Socialist Club episode 53. That's right, 53. The 16th prime number, the atomic number of iodine. Isn't that right, Ben? You're not impressing anyone. You're absolutely right, for both of those. That's true with my knowledge. Yep. 53, the number that was on Herbie, the fictional Volkswagen, with a life of its own.

Look, I have to say, you very successfully preempted any criticism of what I was going to give the first two seconds of the show, which was you saying in episode 53, that a brief pause of me being like, oh no, you didn't think of anything to say about the number of 53 in advance. Yep, the number of 53, the number of Hail Mary beads on a standard five-decalic rosary. Huh. And of course, the most points by a rookie in an NBA playoff game, a record set by Philadelphia's Wilt Chamberlain in 1960. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. Have you got to the Wikipedia page for the number three? So anyway, moving on. That's enough for that. We'll get into it. Oh, we don't have to

talk about numbers. That's not sort of podcast. We are. Don't how you do research. That's pretty simple to that. Geez, first you mad that I have done research. Now suddenly it's the wrong kind of research. Geez a loop. Mm-hmm. That's right. 53 stars on the American flag. Oh, how are you guys? I feel like it's been a week. Not even that. Since we have sparked. Some members of the podcast? Oh, wait, no, we weren't on the bonus one, were we? That's right. Fucking, Jesus.

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Well, we'll see if we can make it happen. I understand there was a school disco happening next door just before we went on the air. It was, it was about 40 minutes of extremely loud bass notes which I'm sure the kids are enjoying. What are they, what are they playing at school discos these days? I'm kind of out of the loop on the school disco scene. I don't know, there nothing recognizable, which is weird, because I think I feel like at school discos, they used to put on music that was all for the moms and dads,

which kind of seems like they're running at cross purposes of the whole thing, but could not discern any noise except for base rumbling through my entire rickety house. I assume it was all like Liluzzi Vert and young thug. I think so, yeah. I believe so, yeah. Well from our experience now it is stuff like Katie Perry. We'll play at a small children's visit. Yeah, see that's the other thing is it's got to also be at least like five years out of the zeitgeist. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. So kids are probably going wild to like firework right now. Oh yeah, no. My kids love that song, they ask for that song. So Elna's constantly like trying to to try and to try. to the th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, th th th th th. So, th. So, th, th, th. So, th, th, th, th, th, see, see, th, see, see, th. Yeah, see, see, th. See, th. See, th. See, th. See, th. See, th. See, th. See, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi, th love that song, they ask that song. And so Elna's constantly like trying to find just pop songs with female

singers that the kids like and she sticks them on her playlist and then every now and then while we're all in the car on the weekend they put their playlist on and I'll hear one song and it'll be like, why have you got this song about grinding your ass on against some the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. They's. They's their. They's their their. I. I's their their th. I's. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm to be like, to be to be to be to be th. I's. I's. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's. I's th. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm. I's. I'm. I'm. I'm. And to. And te. And te. And te. And te. And te. And te. And te. te. te. te. te. te. And te. And to to to to to t weekend, they put their playlist on and I'll hear one song and it'll be like, why have you got this song about grinding your ass on against some dude's dick on here? And she'll go, um what? I don't comb through all the lyrics, Jesus. But, uh, yeah, so it's a modern pop music, eh? You gotta, you gotta keep your eye on it, or your ear, if you will. But I will sneak in all kinds of

sexually suggestive stuff in this music these days also i've always thought that pop music was sort of the province of chased values traditionally of Elvis Presley. You should see him swinging that hammer around. Oh man, you ever seen that video of uh, bloody Elvis Presley and fucking old bloody, what's his name, Frank Sinatra, uh, doing a duet together? No. Oh yeah, oh man. I'm, if I've confused this with another singer, I'm from the same time I'm going to be very embarrassed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is real.

Yeah, fucking, there was a thing they did on TV in 1960 with the two of them, and it was sort of like a, almost like a passing of the torch kind of thing, but as like a concession to young audiences, Frank Sinatra sort of tries out an Elvis style sort of hip wiggle and it's fucking weird. And you can just tell Frank Sinatra fucking hates it the whole thing. Like the crowd is going wild for Elvis and he's sort of like all his body language is like, ooh, is this fucking old shit and fucking, yeah,ra is not he's not having a bar of it makes for some good watching though. I do love any kind of celebrity thing where it's very clear that one of them just does not want to be there.

Mmm. Oh that is the best kind of entertainment. It's very good. Like the you know thir 13th consecutive hour of the press junket kind of interviews. Yeah. Someone just gets asked a question for the 6,000 time and they just go, I don't fucking care. Don't care. Fucking, uh, bloody friend of the show, James Colley put me onto this thing that was this brief, brief,

US reality TV show called the Marriage Ref. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, invented by Jerry Seinfeld, I believe. Yes, right. And early in the first season, I think episode three, there's an episode with Larry David, Ricky Javais and Madonna and Madonna clearly fucking hates Larry David because he's just saying a bunch of intentionally sexist shit and like they are just fighting constantly while

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post Seinfeld that he used all of his influence to do because who gives a fuck about any of that stuff. But he also, it also means that like he could involve people like that? Well that's it like fucking someone was like hey do you want to see a show where some fuckhead drives around in a car and then gets a coffee with someone like no fucking of course I don't and then he's like well here's some of the most famous people in the world and too bad oh god i guess um Elno was watching a TV show called um oh my god what was it called, like,

a hundred percent hotter or something like that? Sounds good so far. It's just like a British, uh, make-under show, make over, make-over, make-um, where, we're like, people go on the show and they go, you look like shit, you seem like a fucking asshole, your clothes are dumb, and then they like, just, they cut off all their hair and they make them throw out their clothes and everything.

But like, So it is a makeover show. Well, yes, but there's not a make under component. It is in the sense that they are basically just normifying people. So they're taking, you know, someone who looks like they go to a lot of like goth raves and shit and then just going, you'd look nice in just a plain dress, you know, from Target. And, you know, people come in with this wild shit, they're wearing like, that's not very appropriate for work, is it?

Like, just, there was some of the, some of the broad who was like doing the crazy, because it's British, the crazy fake tan that's so dark that it just looks like blackface, you know? With a big blonde wig, and titties hanging out and everything and yeah with with all of them they're just like let's just peel all this back and just make you look extremely normal let's put you in a polo shirt yes yes exactly and the way that they convince these people that this is the right thing to do is that they take an iPad out on the street and they show just random dickheads on the street a photo of the person who is on the show. And they say, oh, what would you rate this person out of 10?

And they go, three. I read them a two. Oh, she got too much fake ten. Three. Or whatever. Like, that's not personally how I would dress. And they use that as their justification to say, like, we asked, thau, thau, thau, thau, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, that, that, and that, and tho, and that, and tho, and tho, and that, and that, and tho, and tho, and th. And, and th. And, and tho, and tho, and tho, and th. And, and th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, tho, and, tho, and, tho, that, that, and, that, that, and that, they they they they they they they they say, they say, they say, they say, they say, they say, they say, they say, they say, they're that that that that that that that as their justification to say like, we asked three people on the street what they think of your look and they said not much. Is this the one that they then, the lady goes back and has a conversation with how or whatever

they've got like this. The computer from, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she goes back and she talks to this like, um, huge, uh, throbbing anus of a light. And like, well, three people said he looked like a bint. What do you reckon howl? Is this, this is the same show, right? I'm not losing my mind. I, a hundred percentto that exact. I can't speak to that exact. You might be thinking of the British reality TV show Bint Robot. But like, yeah, I'm just very struck, old Bint Robot.

Remake of that classic 80 show, Bint Rider. It's, you've killed Theo. You've killed Theo. I don't know, I was just really struck by like, it just seemed like such a throwback. You know how people are really into like the new queer eye show? Because it's all about positivity and feeling

yeah, yeah, it's vaguely familiar to me. Yeah, and the whole thing with that stuff is, yeah, like I said, just about going, hey, you should just be able to be comfortable with yourself and feel a bit better about yourself and stuff. And like the entire premise of this show is we need to make you feel so shitty about yourself that you will totally sign over all autonomy about the way you look and act and everything. And part of that is just by by asking like three fucking random Yahoo's on the street who were all the normiest looking fucks in the world that they could pull up and then saying, see, you should change yourself literally for the opinions of strangers. Yeah, it's and then they make them like put their favorite outfits through shredders and shit. And then they go and talk to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the robot and the robot the robot the robot the robot the robot the robot the robot the robot the robot the robot th th tho tho. tho- tho-----------a. that---------------------------------------a th-a th-a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin th. thin thin thin thin thin thin the. thin. tho-s. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-s the- then they make them like put their favorite outfits through shredders and shit

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I've only watched some of the first season as well. I mean, it's nice. I quite like the show. I've only not watched it out of, I just can't be fucked watching TV shows because they take a really long time. But it was one thing that really stuck with me from like all of, because it's like super positive. And it's great the way that they do it, they're like, oh, if you're comfortable doing this,

that's great if you're not, whatever. It really, really nice. It's lovely. I cried a bunch watching a couple of the episodes. But I was really pissed off with, you know, the super good episode, which I think might be the first one, with the, the, like, the big redneck dude, the, that's into classic cars and shit or whatever. Largues, yeah. Fucking, whatever his name is. They all were like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. the, that, th. th. I was, th. I was, th. I was, th. It, th. It, th. I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, that, that, that, that, that, that, t-s. It's, t-s. It's, t-s. It's, together. It's, today. I was. I was. I was, the the th all were like super disgusted when he like he offered them the whole redneck margarita thing which I'm pretty sure was just tequila and like mountain dew or whatever.

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Have a wonderful evening though. Now mix that up with some mountain dew. Look, I'm on board. I just feel like if someone offers you a drink evening though. Now mix that up with some mountain dew, you got yourself a taste in station. I just feel like if someone offers you a drink, drink it. That's how I'm going to be. It's not very safety conscious. I mean, probably if someone did the, if someone comes over to you and wordlessly gives you a drink,

that they have for some reason smuggled on to live your entire life. If someone comes over to you and wordlessly gives you a drink that they have for some reason smuggled onto a premises full of alcohol, just drink it, don't ask any questions. Just drink it. All right, maybe don't do it under those circumstances, the ones that I was in, but... fuck you. Woo, anyway folks. I hear we've had some tax cuts passed. Not quite. Oh, no, good.

It's... And we're off to a great start. It's never that simple, is it? No. Next question. Um, kind of. So, um, I thought it would be worthwhile just going through this real quick because there's a lot of crazy shit going on at the moment. Everyone's very busy about working out whether or not we should or should not be putting

children in cages. I think... Where do you fall on that issue? Yeah, well, a lot of... should not be putting children in cages. I think people on the left. Yeah, well, a lot of he says, she says, I think is the, how the saying goes. But over in Australia, which is where we are, I'm not sure if people are overseas listeners. We're, this is an Australian podcast. Uh-huh. Look it up. Where is this going? So the Turnbull government has passed a 144 billion tax cut package through the Senate.

So Australian budgetary measures start off in the Senate. Then they go to the through the Senate. So Australian budgetary measures start off in the Senate and they go to the House of Representatives. So this is past the Senate and it is absolutely disgraceful and it doesn't seem like there has been a lot of chatter about it which seems strange because the numbers are absolutely insane. So the way that it kind of comes down to it is, I kind of want to just touch on the numbers really quickly because they are very easy. They're very understandable numbers and it should be something that that translates to making you extremely mad, because it's made me extremely mad. And then look at how they're actually talking about this, which is always instructive as to how they want to spin this going into the election.

So, for people that aren't aware, Australia's tax system is a progressive tax system. We have a number of brackets, but moving up a bracket doesn't mean that you get taxed at that rate for your entire income. It just means that if you pass that bracket, every cent that you earn after that is at the new bracket. So what the coalition government are trying to pass is a gigantic cut to middle and upper class Australia. And it goes over the next 10 years. So they're trying to lock this into law

to basically make it the next government and the government after that's a problem. Right now what that means is not a huge amount. They're moving the, sorry, this article's all kind of over the place so my apologies. Yeah so they're moving the 32.5% bracket from 87,000 to 90,000 which I mean everyone above 90 is still going to get a few hundred dollars tax cut who cares but eventually they're just getting rid of the 37% bracket. So that means that everybody between 40,000 and $200,000 per year goes from paying somewhere

between $32.5 to 37% on that range to just paying 32.5% on that range. That's where the billions and billions of dollars go. And they say that once it's sort of ramped all the way up, so that doesn't happen until 2028, which is super concerning again because they're just, again, codifying budget cuts, revenue slashing into law for years and years to come. Once that all comes in, it's looking at about $24 billion a year at that point. And again, that all goes to people well above the median wage. And honestly, I don't know what, I can't, I can't really see how they can honestly swing this to people.

So it's instructive to look at the language that they're using around this. There is no honest way to do it, right? so the language that they're using around this, so Turnbull says it's the most comprehensive reform of personal income tax into generation. It rewards and encourages enterprise. It encourages and enables aspiration. Right, so just to pulling yourself up by your base draft bullshit. Um, but Scott Morrison's even worse, Treasurer, says, as workers earn more and get more opportunities or do extra shifts, they will not be penalized for that.

Which is him appealing to a particular brand of bullshit that people believe, that as you move to a new tax bracket, you lose money. The only time that that ever happens is, to my understanding, is when you cross the boundary for the Medicare levy where you pay 2% for our public health care. Right, if you move up a tax bracket, you only start getting, start paying more tax on that money that belongs in that bracket, right? So for him to come and say, you do extra shifts and you get panellized for it, it's total bullshit, right? And he's aiming at middle class Australia and lower class Australia,

shift workers, casual workers, right? All of whom will be receiving next to nothing from these cuts. Yeah, they wouldn't, like basically never even touch those cutoffs, right? Absolutely, right? There are are, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, it's thi, it, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's thi, it's thi, it's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thateea. thatea' thatea' thatea' thatea' thatea' thatea' thatea' thatea' thatea' that. Yeah, they wouldn't, like basically never even touch those cutoffs, right? Absolutely, right? There are some, there are, there's nine measures and all, right? Some of them do give back a little bit to the, to the bottom, but it's in the region of, I thought I saw about $130 a year at the bottom, all the way up to something like three, three and a half grand if you earn $200,000, right? So again, it's the entire thing is not just geared to give more tax breaks to the upper kind of echelons of earnings, right? But to do it disproportionately as well.

It's truly brazen. Apparently in the last round of voting, there are only given about 20 minutes of debate to which they said, nope, that's enough. And voted for it, and they had all of the numbers because they've pulled in the old, um, the old, their, um, the old, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tax, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their that's enough, and voted for it, and they had all of the numbers because they've pulled in the old boat of diphits of One Nation at the time as well, and just gone, well, nope, that's enough of that and passed it because they have the numbers. But this is also something where One Nation have been doing this dance over the preceding months of saying they weren't going to support them and then they were and then they weren't and then they were.

Yes. And yeah, it either comes across as. There's only really two things that can come across as, which is Pauline Hansen being so dumb that she can be swayed by any given conversation and I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption to make or also that the that they don't give it shit about the effect that it has on anybody at all and the only thing they care about is whether it will like curry them favor to get their own weird racist shit past well it's funny it's funny that you

say that because it has to come back to her being extremely stupid and bad politics because as you said they back flipped a number of times, they lost a member over it, member defected over it, but in the end they supported it, and said that they did not ask the government for anything in return for her support for the cuts, Paul and Hansen, support for the end, they supported it and said that they did not ask the government for anything in return for her support for the cuts, Paul and Hansen, support for the cuts, but she would continue to push for the government to fund a thousand apprenticeship places. So she didn't even get that concrete. She's gone, oh, we'll vote for a hundred plus billion dollars of tax cuts today to get the vague promise of goodwill on 1,000 apprenticeships tomorrow.

So she is extremely stupid. Yep. She isn't crying on the news. Well, and, like, wasn't the reason that Bruce Bilsen defected because they had backflipped away from saying that they were going to support the cuts. Absolutely. And he was, he came out and said, I publicly urge, you know, my colleagues, you know, when you shake hands with somebody and say you're going this, you know, we publicly said we're going to and we believed it was the right thing, and, you know, questioned Paulian Hansen

publicly, which led to her having like, literally melting down and crying about it during an interview on the news, and him defecting from, or her stating first that she had, you know, asked, for his resignation or sacked him from the party and demanding that he hand over the Senate seat that he's currently here because that always happens he says no yeah and then after all of that they've back flipped back to the way that that guy thought they were going to vote in the first place so we managed to lose a member while also voting on the position that member wanted them to vote. Absolutely. To give some measure of respect to Bill Shorten, he has immediately said that if Labour wins the next election,

they will revert this to the best of their ability so that's good. Sydney Morning Herald says that this puts him at odds with people that earn 120 grand or more who gives a fuck. But yes, everybody except the coalition thinks that this is a terrible idea basically. But they don't have the numbers, so what are you going to do? You're going to keep pushing that shit on pill, very, very unpopular policy. And... And sorry, this isn't... Sorry, my apologies. This is not what caused the member in one nation

to defect. That relates to the $35.6 billion remaining of the company tax cuts. So this isn't even touching the extra... The company tax cuts. Tens of billions dollars that they want to cut from company tax. But again, it just shows how completely and utterly just bereft of any kind of plan that the liberals have. The only thing they can do that's their idea of an economic reform is to just say, do

some tax cuts. Yeah, we'll cut tax cuts. As we all know, everyone will then spend more money and it will trickle down, and it will trickle down over everyone. And you have to hope that in the court of public opinion, with the severe damages that is being done to the high end of commercial town with the Royal Commission banking, everything else that's going on, town with the Royal Commission banking, everything else that's going on,

that perhaps the worm is turning on this stuff and people go, oh, tax cuts, but are they for me? No, they're not. And even if you do, even if you earn the amount of money that's gonna put you in this bracket. Right. Hopefully, you can look at, people can look at. earn the amount of money that's going to put you in this bracket. Hopefully, you can look at, people can look at what's going on with this and what this means for the affordability of stuff and what this means for funding for schools and

roads and the ABC and all of these things that they can't find you know a hundred million dollars for for the ABC but they can find a hundred billion dollars just for walk back in the pool for tax cuts at the for the people that need it the least I hope that the worm is starting to turn on this but you know well they're not doing any better in the opinion polls or anything no that the worm is starting to turn on this but you know. Well, they're not doing any better in the opinion polls or anything are there? No, that's right. Hmm. What's your take on taxes, Ben? Don't like them.

If I want to drive on a road, I'll build up my fucking self. That's right. Yeah, like I trust the government to make a library. Fuck off. Yeah, and look as we've said on here before as well, all this stuff, there's just no evidence behind it. The fact that the liberals are even having those conversations about like privatizing the ABC and shit like that, despite it being an extremely venerated and trusted institution in Australia. You know, most people watch it and get some value out of it.

They've done all those polls on it where like, it's far in a way the most trusted news source in the country, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, they've done, like, polling for like people that want to privatize it is like 13% of people or something. It's like nothing even like Bloatty yeah Conservative voters aren't really well aren't that often for it It's I think it's strange. It's purely the nutters. It's just I don't think people understand how good it is to have actual money going towards a journalistic institution that is not profit

motivated? Well I mean you can see you can see in Australia's newspaper industry how much of a hit they've taken from downsizing and everything like I I can say without any exaggeration that's like once they announced, was it pretty sure it was Fairfax where they announced that they were just like cutting back their number of sub-editors by some mammoth number and they were going to start having like centralized sub-editing instead of like sub-editors in local offices. Yeah. And it was like almost from that point on. instead of like sub-editors in local offices. Yeah.

And it was like almost from that point on, very noticeably, they just started to constantly appear, like just typos and missing words out of things, in print and online, just all the time. And it's like, it's, you can really tangibly see, see like the impact on the product of the resources that are continually Getting pulled out of them as they Downsize and I think the same thing goes for the same thing goes for free-to-air TV in Australia, you know where the more money comes out of them the more they say oh, we better save money by just putting on like

reruns of 10 year old reality shows and like pumping out all the fucking things they have on all those like let's make a deal type shit you know all the what's the what's the one that you're talking about like just just the game shows and shit they have on free to air TV. The one with the briefcase and you've got to go, uh... There's the golden briefcases. Yeah, and you go, no, I think there's money in this one and go wrong, it's a gun. Admittedly, that one is something of a guilty pleasure for me. But you the people, you, the people, the people, that, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one that one that one that one that one, that one, thi. That one, tho, tho, thoom. That's that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. That one, thi. That one, thi. That one, thi. That one, thi. That one th is, th is, thi. That one thi. That one thi. That one thi. That one thi. That one is, thi. That one is, thi. That one is, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that, th Just, you know, the people's faces when they get the garden is...

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that like this is the kind of programming that they Consciously choose to spend their money on it's like the kind of bans from From the weakest link, but one on one. Well, I was gonna say like it's it's exactly the same formula as the weakest link RIP lady from the weakest link who died last week? Yeah, yeah What? Last week? A long battle with cancer. A couple of weeks ago? I think. Yeah. But yeah. Very recently. But yeah, that lady where again, it's it's this it's a game show and you have a person on there who's playing like the character of the mean person who doesn't want you to win the game show for some fucking reason. I think it comes out of their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. A thi. thi. that's. A that's a that's a couple. A that's a couple. A th. A couple. A couple. A couple. A couple. A that. A that. A that. A that. A that. A th. A that. A th. A th. A th. A th. A. A. A th. A th. A. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. It's th. It's th. It's a the. It's a the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. It's the character of the mean person who doesn't want you to win the game show for

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just being like dick and balls and then like the host is just being like whoa you can't say that on TV shows. I love it like like 30% of this show is just being us trying to remember the names of TV shows. Yeah, welcome to Fate Memory of Entertainment You're Not Getting the Podcast. Oh my God. We forget it for you wholesale. People are going to ride in and tell us what they are, don't worry. People are going to write in and tell us what they are, don't worry. You get my point though. I hope that people ride in and tell us what that show is that I was talking about. I looked it up and I know, but I'm not going to dispel the mystery. Okay. Not crazy. The big anus computer.

But yes, looping back around to the actual point, when you see the things thingsto-air TV networks and the newspapers in this country that are all slowly shrinking and starting the- When you see Milo being interviewed on morning TV? Yeah, all that kind of thing. It does make you very glad that there is a publicly funded broadcaster that is making content of a consistent quality. And doesn't just have the automatic automatic sort of craven motivation of profit. You know, I realize that there are types of entertainment and situations where the motivation

of profit creates a type of product that is really appealing to tons of people. I'm thinking of things like the, you know, the peak of pop music production and big popcorn movies and shit like that is really appealing to tons of people. I'm thinking of things like the peak of pop music production and big popcorn movies and shit like that. But the problem is, you know, in the Australian industry, like in our TV and newspaper industries and stuff, when people aren't capable of producing that kind of thing, and the profit bleeds out, and the product just takes such a downhill slide that if those were the only things we had available,

we'd all be having a shit time. So I'm really looking forward to all these new reality shows. There's one where people who all work together do a dance competition, like so you think you can dance with the people you work with. It sounds bad. It looks bad. It all looks bad. Every time is a commercial for one of these, Elner is just like, oh my God, yes.

What are you doing watching anything with commercial? Is this a thing that happens when you have kids? Well, I thought it was the thing to happen when you got married but here we are. We just watched that Netflix. Yeah. I know Ellen started watching some reality shows while ago and it's just opened a floodgate she's never really done it before and she's like I need to be able to talk to the other people I know who watch these things and that I feel like that excuse is given way and now she's just enjoying it they are sort of vaguely compelling.

Like, because I have to sometimes watch them for work, like, I think I am meant to, I just have kind of stopped because no one started yelling at me when I stopped writing articles about them. But they maybe haven't noticed yet. But like, when you do watch them, there's this weird, like, they have just hyper-accelerated into the way that you would make fun of them. So when people like, oh like you know even like five years ago whatever the bachelor was like oh oh I bet maybe there's some hanky-panky going on behind closed doors and now they are just straight up like welcome to fuck island like there will just be like a five-minute montage of like just asses, like men's

asses, women's asses. Well, you say that, but I think a lot of people might be forgetting how rambunctious the first season of Big Brother was in Australia. I feel like we've, we have discussed the turkey slap before the podcast. No, I'm not even talking about the turkey stuff. Are you talk about the time people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people, the the the the the the the men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, men's, their, men's, men's, their, men's, men's, men's, their, men's, men's, men No, I'm not even talking about the turkey slap. Are you talking about the time people fucked in the hot tub? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, because that was, there was many seasons later that the turkey slap, right?

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Who are the fucking people? No, that was collateral damage. I think like, I think in JAG. Maybe like 34-year-old electricians. I think that's the... What's compelling about the show? It's a lawyer, but a lawyer of the sea. Yeah, he's on a boat. Wait, was he Naval Air Force?

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General, sorry I'm looking at this. You guys can't talk about something else if you want that's fine. All right, we're switching gears folks. You may know of a little, little strange Kerman voiced man named Jordan Peterson and I saw a little clip earlier today that I felt that I just had to share with the good people of the show it comes to us via friend of the show Peter Norway who was a parody of Peter Sweden of course you find him on Twitter out to classic liberal with a three for the for the e lib three rule and he had this clip of Australian comedian Jim Jeffries interviewing Jordan Peterson on his show.

Making people bake a cake for a gay wedding. Making them do it? Yeah I don't think that's a very good idea. But here's the argument so should they be able to deny making a cake for a black couple if they don't like black people? Allowed to, probably. That doesn't mean it's right. The case of then we had the civil rights movement where they said black people, we had to serve them in your restaurants and stuff like that and it did work and it did make our society better but would you argue that still wasn't right? No, that was right. Why is that different to now if you didn't want to make a cake for black people? Maybe it's not.

Maybe it's not different. Maybe I was wrong about that. And I could not help just be staggered by that clip. I mean as someone pointed out, you know, full props as small as it can be for him going, oh no, that actually I might be wrong on this, but like... I retract those props because he's not going to abide by them and I bet he will still trot out the same talking point to the later date. Absolutely. But also, as Peter pointed out, um, um, is this the fact, the f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f-a the the the the the the the same talking point at the later date. Absolutely, but also as Peter pointed out, is this the first time you're hearing of this?

Is this like the... Does it take Jim Jeffries to point this out to you? Well, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they were, because none of the things things he talks about correlate to real life in any fashion. He's like, he's all about abstract concepts that make nerds feel good instead of actually tackling ideas as they relate to real people. Sure. Well, I think, um, yeah, I had the same reaction, Ben, where I think that, you know, I'm not that inclined to sort of give him a big pat on the back for that one because number one he's been backed into this corner of an extremely simple argument, which is, you know, when you're talking about things like the, which he has talked

about before, things like, should you be forced to, you know, use someone's preferred pronouns or should you be preferred to serve someone at your establishment who is of a gender that you don't approve or think exists or whatever. And somebody just saying, well, should you also be able to discriminate against someone on the basis of any of these other forms of being a minority and having them go, oh, I guess when you say it like that it sounds like bigotry. Yeah, I mean, you're right, like unless he, it doesn't matter unless he turns around and starts

going, no, hey guys, we need to change, like we need to make a change I think that the two reasons the two reasons that I wouldn't want to give him a pan on the back about it is number one he even in that position the best he can manage is maybe I'm wrong it's it's not even saying you know you're right and I can't argue with that it's maybe I'm wrong which which when you sort of his... maybe you're right, you're right, and I can't argue with that. It's maybe I'm wrong. Which, when you sort of consider his... Maybe, you're wrong. Which, yeah, when you consider... Sounds like Homer impersonating Apu.

Yeah, when you consider it in the context of his usual sort of deal of either rapid-fire answering questions with other questions to avoid having to actually give any kind of direct response about something or insisting that you've been misinterpreted or misquoted or any of that sort of thing then backing all the way up to or maybe I was wrong it's not even saying I was wrong that's it's saying perhaps I was and perhaps I was not only time will tell. So there Theo take that to get a begrudging mild props to someone you fuck. That's right, that's right don't do it. But yeah also I think that you know

I did see some people saying oh well that's not a thing that he talks about a lot of the time but like the vast majority of what he does talk about is the natural order of the world and how people shouldn't be you know made to feel bad for wanting things to be a certain way and the natural and the right and good way. You shouldn't be called a bigot or anything for doing the... And he's definitely put a lot of energy into dehumanizing gay people in a lot of what he talks about in you know the destruction of the family. Oh yeah, well I saw something just before we started recording, which was a video where someone was, he was responding to the question of do you support same-sex adoption.

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their parents receive. But he's not he's not interested in like it's so I think telling of the of the kind of world that we inhabit as far as these these guys go that that the that Jordan Pearson can appear can give the appearance of being logical and intelligent and all that sort of stuff because there's too much going on right there are too many things there are too many factors going on so if he can pick the the the the the the th th to to to pick the to pick the to pick the to th to the th th to pick the the the the the the the and the the and the and the the the and the the and the the the the the. the. the. the. the. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. the the the the the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. the. much going on, right? There are too many things. There are too many factors going on. So if he can pick and choose his battles and pick and choose the kind of reality that he constructs for him, himself and all of the very strange people that listen to him,

it doesn't matter that you can have criticisms here and there, even if they are absolutely irrefutable, because by that point he's already on to the next thing. It doesn't matter. I guess you're right, maybe I was wrong, you know. Doesn't matter. On to the next thing. On to the next insane piece of shit. Yeah, and like I said said you don't get the sense that there's any actual concession there or any actual inward examination of anything it's just like said on to the next thing it's on to the next speech it's on the next debate and you know at a certain point as well I think that once you start to occupy that territory of like a glorified thinker, public persona glorified thinker. I think a lot of a lot of that like debate club type shit does start to get into the realms of like this is, this is a sport.

Oh for sure. This is a point scoring exercise. This is you, thought experiments and all this kind of thing. And the problem is when you become the head of the kind of movement or the kind of support that he has garnered, you're talking about impacts on people's very real material existences. By giving all of that sort of support to people who think that it's all right to say, well it should only be a man and a woman that are married and stay married and have one child. And I should be able to call trans people whatever I want or refuse to acknowledge their existence. And I shouldn't have to, you know, serve someone who is of a different look or a different origin to me. And at the end of the day, that's what a lot of th of th th of th of th of th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thi. thin, thin, thin, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th different look or a different origin to me. And at the end of the day that's what a lot of his shit boils down to. Don't make

people feel bad about believing in the supremacy of Western society. And I don't think it's good. Now it's neither. So shall we take a couple of letters before we get out here? Certainly. Please. Mailbag. Wife of the show, Connor Stokes. Hi, Connor. He asks, since we're talking about William Gibson, whose posts have been ruined the most by letting Trump and Russia colonize their brain.

What formally good source of content do you miss the most by letting Trump and Russia colonize their brain. What formally good source of content do you miss the most? That's a good question actually. There's so many. I mean, William Gibson might have to be my one for this because I genuinely think that dude is fucking fantastic and it is like jarring in my brain all the time to be like, oh man, is that, are you really, oh, oh, yeah, is there, you know, the the the the the the the the to be like, man, is that, are you really, oh, yeah, is there, you know, retweeting, uh, retweet this, if you think that Trump belongs in Slytherin.

Yeah, and that's very frustrating, you'd think he would be, he of all people would be slightly more credulous than that. I thought his standards would be higher, to be quite honest. Because he gets he the internet works sort of, I don't know, he's just such a savvy person about a bunch of other things that it was just kind of weird. A bit of a down go. I would like to go in the other direction with this, as opposed to, I mean, I get that the question is forth on lines of... It sounds like you're about to make a decision to not answer the question. Yeah, but... I'm answering, I'm answering.

Given that Andrew is a big James Woods fan, it's been extremely disappointing. Well, I do like some old James Woods movie, man. Come on, fucking video drum now? No, that this guy's... You know what? I think I had consciously in my brain erased the fact that that was James Woods. Now I can't enjoy it anymore. No, I'm still going to enjoy video. My actual answer is that like, I think that, um, I think that things just going so wildly out of control with Trump and all of that sort of stuff. and like, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, that, uh, uh, that, uh, uh, that, uh, that, uh, uh, uh, that, uh, uh, uh, that, that, that, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, that, that, uh, that, that, that, uh, that, uh, that, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thatthink that things just going so wildly out of control with Trump and all of that sort

of stuff and like, you know, people being absolutely nuts about all the Russia conspiracy theory stuff. I think with all of that going so wildly out of control, it has also ruined plenty of what were formally like kind of guilty pleasure content for me and I'm thinking of people like, um, people like Eric Garland, you know, where like at one point it was, it was just kind of funny to read his sort of goofy, stupid, I'm pretending to be a Natick guy posts. And now it's just like every other day he's having like a fully fledged mental breakdown online and I don't enjoy that. That's not, that's not for me. There's just a whole bunch of people like him,

like all the different sort of weird Twitter grifters and stuff like that where you know it was funny for a bit at first and now they've all just gone way too far, way too far down the rabbit hole. I mean, even people like Roseanne, you know? The fact that there are people like her who have millions of Twitter followers and a massive audience and she is just full on a Q& on conspiracy nut. Yeah, that's me and Randy Quaid. Yep. Yep. And I mean, like... Still got a big soft spot for him, that's me and Randy Quaid. Yep. Yep. And I mean like... Still got a big soft spot for him though. Yeah, and also I suppose it's it's worth making the minor distinction that I think it's reasonable to say that for James Woods and Randy Quaid and Roseanne Bar that these are all

people who have not been in the prime of their careers for some time. These are all people who have not been in the prime of their careers for some time. These are all people who have not been putting out a stream of good content that has then made me go, bleu. Oh, you haven't been a big fan of the, uh, recuadnesses since. Is that what he calls it? Well, that's what us quain heads are calling it. Uh. I've been in some pretty good stuff lately. I bet, I think if I pulled up his IMDB page, he would probably not have been in a single film for the last five years. I wonder what it's like at family reunions with him and Dennis Quaid.

And the other one. Old Joey Quaid. This is a third quaid, isn't there? Third secret quaid. I previously believed not to have existed by scientists. Share, I think Share is last name is Quaid. Share Quaid. Share Quaid. Jesus Christ, I was just googling Quaid. Let's, there is another quaid. Let's... There is another quaid.

I swear it. I've seen it. The third quaid is not a myth. Relatives. Just list one. Oh, fucking all right. Well, hey. Have you ever heard of a movie called The Long Riders? No. From 1980, it's a Western about

the origins exploits and the ultimate fate of the Jesse James gang, right? It's by Walter Hill who everybody who listens to this will know as my dear sweet love Walter Hull. He made the Warriors. You know what? Just the other day I watched I was watching a videotape of the Warriors which has the Warriors. You know what? Just the other day I watched, I was watching a videotape of the Warriors which has the original opening title before the re-release that Walt Hill read them in the like comic book style one. Like comic panel thing, yeah. Yeah. The fucking original opening is so much better. It's so fucking good. Yeah. The comic thing sucks. Yeah. But yeah, he made comic thing sucks. Yeah.

But yeah, he made so many good movies. And he made this movie the Long Writers about the Jesse James game. And in this, all of the different gangs who are real figures who are all played by real life brothers. So he has Jesse James and Frank James. All three caradines. James and Frank James played by James and Frank James. All three Caradines. Jesse James and Frank James played by James Keech and Stacey Keech. There's all three Caradines as the younger gang. Even the secret Caradine.

That's incredible. Ed Miller and Clellmiller played by Dennis and Randy Quaid. Christopher Guest and Nicholas Guests is Bob and Charlie Ford. My goodness. What a fun bit of stunt casting, that is. That's such a good idea. Holy shit, Christopher Guest is in Christopher Guest, Christopher Guest. That's a wild. That's pretty cool.

It's a while better casting. Of course it's got Walty Hill favorite James Reimar, who you may recognize as a the guy that plays Raiden in Mortal Kombat 2. That's right. But not Mortal Kombat 1. No, that was the much more appropriately cast a French guy. Really? It's Christopher Lambert, wasn't it?

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Obviously. Uh huh, that's definitely why you. Oh man. Luke Besson accused of rape. That's, that's not good. Yeah, welcome to, what if it's a socialist club, Australian podcast about reality TV, and finding out that someone who directed some of your favorite movies had been accused of rape. Hmm.

It's uh... Ugh. Ooh. Anyway, folks. I feel like we can't end on that note. I think we've got to take another question before. Yeah, surely. God, I'm sorry.

The audience in particular. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. It's a good one. Friend of the show, Pino Gringo. It's a good name. That's a good one. Uh, asks, who are the most and least fuckable world leaders in your opinions?

Wow! Look, I'm going to have to say, least Benjamin Netanyahu. Are you putting him over like Trump? You putting him over Kim? Yes. Yep. Wow, okay. Are you going to give a reason for that or? I mean, I feel like it's sort of... I feel like it's relatively self-evident. I thought. I'm sorry? I'm... Sorry? Relatively

self-evident, I thought. Uh... Yeah. Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm trying to wrack my brain for a most. I think people that we could agree are empirically attractive, like say, Jacinta Arden of New Zealand. She's a nice looking lady, I guess. Yeah, just had a baby today. First, uh, head of state in the, oh not head of state, sorry, because she's not in New Zealand, but first leader of a country to have a child while in office, or to give birth to a child while in office in 30 years. Hmm. Wow. Pretty wild.

Yeah. Apparently she she drove herself to a public hospital. Actually I know maybe I was a member I'm not quite sure I just know that they took her own car there was no like we didn't have any sort of public escort or anything like that, went to a public hospital. And yeah, it's all done there. Pretty cool. What about we got any Gisian ping heads in the in the crowd? Any pingers? I mean is the crowd that

you're asking the question us? No I mean right in. Rhetorical. You know what I want to put the heat back on our listeners because I feel like this is a frot question and I think anyone that isn't, I think any one that is a the thinne-p-in, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh, I, uh, uh, uh, uh, I, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I, uh, uh, uh, I, uh, uh, thi, thi, thi, uh, thi, uh, that, uh, th-a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, thi-a, th-a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the want to put the heat back on our listeners, because I feel like this is a fraught question, uh, and I think anyone that isn't us, but is listening to the show should answer it. Hmm. I'm just going to throw one out there, which is, I was very surprised recently to see, cooked Dick Ed Ben Garrison, it was a, there was a drawing of Angela Merkel in his cartoon. And she had like big old titties,

busting out of her shirt. So then you went to check. And I was, no, and I made a joke about it. I was like, ah, that feature of Angela Merkel's that we all know and love, her big naturals. And somebody then immediately sent me a recent photo of Angela Merkel with like just absolutely wild cleavage hanging out of dress. Just voluptuous. And I was like, what do you know? Angela's big naturals. Get on it.

So you know, she certainly like went up some notches in the fuckable book, I guess, for me personally, if that's... Welcome to Budaversus Socialist Club. This is the last episode. It was wonderful to have you all along for the ride. But what a way to go out. We tried our best every step of the way until, until, until, until, until, until, until, until, until, until, until, until, until, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, the last, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the last, the last, the last, the last, the ride. But what a way to go out. We tried our best every step of the way until maybe the last five to ten minutes of the last episode. Hmm. Do we need to say one more question? Is that what's going on here?

Look, I reckon let's try one more. Okay. And thanks for a great question by the way. It's definitely not on you. Hmm. Hmm. Well, definitely putting it on me. Um, Fred of the show, Chip malfunction says, hey gang, I was just a lot, I think that's Rob.

I think it's Rob. That is Rob. He's a lovely young man. We were going to get a matching tattoo togue together when I was in the States and then I ran out of time. Well, that's on you. Don't forget money. Friend of the show, Rob. Says, hey gang, I was just listening to the episode where you made fun of Caleb Bond for his idiot opinions on job.. Plainly, he's never actually had a job. Could you spend some time imagining what a bloodbath it would be if he had to work for a day in his life? Oof. I have asked myself, what does like an average week for Caleb Bond look like?

Because he seems to produce a, like, one column every several weeks, but he's also busy like feverishly beavering away in the newsroom that whole time. I think I think at least three hours a day are spent putting on suspenders. And another three hours on the tail end is spent taking off suspenders again. And somewhere in between, he writes a, uh, uh, write some, uh, the, uh, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the news. Uh, like, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th thee thee thi thie's thi's thee thee the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th is th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thusususus thi thi thi thi thi thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thus the tail end to spend taking off suspenders again. And somewhere in between, he writes some article about how political correctness means that you can't smoke in a maternity ward anymore. Yeah, that's his whole thing. It's complaining about things that he was never even privy to in the first place. Hmm. Hey, Ben, we got a crime pass this week?

Oh, goodness gracious, that's a wonderful question. Um... You can fuck a world leader. Oh, God, no, don't. That's not a crime pass. It's a good point. What have we talked about? Reality-tave-tahe' tha'- It's a good point. What have we talked about? Reality TV shows.

Fuck Island. Way too much about them. I think we talked probably the perfect amount about it. You know what? I'm just going to go for it. I think shoplifting. This week's cry-busses shoplifting. If you see something at a coles or worse

and you think, oh, I'd like to have that, but that's seven or eight bucks for a small food item. I can't fucking afford that. Treat yourself, just grab it. Uh, fucking put it in your pocket, hide it in your jumper if you're wearing one. You've got lots of layers on because it's winter. If you're doing self-serve, just don't scan it. Yeah, classic. A bunch a bunch a you could do it. Have it in your hand and then as you're going through the checkout be like, oh, I pick this up at another shop.

They don't give a fuck. Just fucking take something. One of my friends. It was cool to shoplift and Winona Ryder was, she was doing it. She was doing it. And if she guess who's back. And in a big way. Yeah, Winona rider. A friend of mine mine th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A friend th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A thi. A th. It was. It was. It was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. It's their. It's their. It's. It. It. It. It. It. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A t. t. t. too. too. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. Yeah, Winona Rana. Shoplifting. A friend of mine used to exclusively shoplift protein bars because she was, she was starting to work out a bunch. She couldn't afford protein bars. So she was like, fuck it. I'm just stealing these. She did. Uh, wholly endorse it.

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