Boonta Vista - EPISODE 79: "Now I Have A Podcast HO-HO-HO" (Featuring @thejoshl)

Episode Date: December 24, 2018

Josh Lewis of the Sleazoids Podcast joins Andrew and Ben to discuss Christmas movies from Home Alone and Batman Returns to Wake In Fright and the nightmare fuel that is The Grinch. We'll be back in a week, thanks for listening in 2018! Find Josh on Twitter at http://twitter.com/thejoshl - Find The Sleazoids Podcast at https://soundcloud.com/sleazoids and on Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/sleazoidspodcast Support the show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Merchandise available at: boontavista.com/merchandise *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

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Hi everybody. I'm Andrew. Merry Christmas Eve. We can all agree that it's that. Certainly. No one would disagree that right now, at this time, it's Christmas Eve. Not for me. That's cool. Oh, God damn it.

Oh, damn it. Oh, damn it. I'm Andrew. I'm here with Ben. That's right, folks. And we are joined by a guest, a guest, a Ala International. That's right, folks, all the way from the snowy tundras of Canada, from the sleazoid's podcast, it's Josh Lewis. Hey, how's it going, everyone? Very good. It's actually not snowy right now. It's unfortunate.

Oh, we can't even brag about it. It's terrible. That's not Christmas Eve, and it actually not snowy right now, it's unfortunate. God damn. We can't even brag about it. It's terrible. That's not Christmas Eve, and it's not snowing. I feel like you'd want to cancel all of Christmas if it didn't snow if you're in North America. Like, surely it'd just feel pointless. This whole planet heating up thing is having some effects over here in Canada. And this is one of the most serious ones. Dire effects. Some dire effects. Oh dear, well I'm currently on a, technically on an island. Australia? No, a island. I love the spot. On the, in the Sholl Haven, I think it's, is it a peninsula,

Shulhaven? I don't even know what or where that is. Oh, New South Wales. No, thank you. Better than the old South Wales. Well, no one likes New South Wales, come on. No one wants to hear those. I have opinions about all these places for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Let's get into it.

Just based on sound alone, don't you like? Well, it's very pleasant here, although I achieved the very smart feat yesterday of sunburning just the tops of both of my feet. Oh, I hate that one. That is a fucking nasty time. Yep. I went paddleboarding and like paddled all the way around this island and I was very sensibly wearing a very sensible hat and like paddled all the way around this island. And I was very sensibly wearing a very sensible hat and like a long-sleeved thing and shorts and everything. And I put some sunscreen on the back of my neck. And apparently, I was not thinking about the tops of my feet that were exposed to the sun through this whole thing.

I'm sorry. Is paddleboarding, when you say that, are you talking about the stand-up variety? Yes, the standing up on like a big long board. I hate those more than life. Why? I don't know. You had the concept or have you tried to do it before? I don't enjoy watching people do them. I think them from a distance and I get a feeling that that that that tha tha tha tha thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I the their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thithat they think they're better than everyone else? Oh, we do. We do. We definitely do. No, it's just a thing that my dad likes to do while he's

thinking about how much he better he is than you. Your beautiful, incredibly hot dad. Yeah. So, is that true? He's a good-looking man. He's a striking silver fox. Hmm. It's very good looking man. He's a striking silver fox. It's very cool now that his beard has gone totally like gray and white as well. I mean admittedly he looks almost identical to Andrew just with white hair. Yeah, so I like to accept this as a compliment. It is. It's like a passive comment to myself. But yes, it's very true. An attractive man, good at paddleboarding. His feet didn't get sunburn, so he's doing something right. You know?

Also great at woodworking if I recall correctly. Oh very much. that a heavy brew. Beautiful wooden toys for my children. He's building a boat, the most masculine exercise of all, just building your own sailboat out of wood. That's pretty boss. Pretty good. So, folks, being Christmas Eve in some places, not all the places, but big Christmas Eve, in this place specifically, we thought we might have a little chat

about some Christmas movies. Because we got the movie guy on. What are we going to do? What are we going to do? Not talk about movies? I literally couldn't talk about anything else. I have neither the ability nor the interest in conducting a conversation about anything else. Now we did ask our listeners for questions and we were immediately threatened by a friend of the show,

a big bag of keys, Vinno, Merry Christmas to You. We were immediately threatened with the statement, if I hear the words diehard on this podcast I will kill you all. I'm watching it, I'm watching it tonight. I've bought it on Blu-ray because I previously only had the DVD and I was like you know what it's seven bucks for the Blu-ray right now. It's such a good movie and it's great value I thought for money it's a great movie and I think it's lovely watching it one time that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I'll thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm theeat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat theat time a year and it's nice that that time is at Christmas. Yeah, unfortunately for that guy, the theater that I help program here in London Ontario, we are playing Die Hard on December 28th. Oh, that's simply wonderful. A friend of mine she programs a theatre in the city. She's putting it on this year. It's a great time here to watch Die Hard. And honestly, just mute it on the internet. Just don't look, just mute it, those words on Twitter.

Don't think about it. The weird discourse people have where it's like four layers deep now, where people like, well, it's actually the pushback to the pushback that's obnoxious. That shit sucks. It's a good movie. It's fucking, takes place at Christmas, just watched at Christmas. Stop being an ass. Soak it in. I did see somebody say, the only, the only relevant or coherent thing that I saw anyone say about it this year was that all of the very tired discourse around Diehard's status as a Christmas movie really obscures the fact that it is

definitely one of the best action movies that has ever been made. McTiernan, the king. Oh, so good. If only he didn't have to go to prison for those crimes, he could have kept banging out his great movies. Absolutely. I mean, to me, Dyehard's not quite predator, but it does take place at Christmas. So diehard gets, you, you, you, it, it, it, it, th, it, it, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, is th, is th. the, is definitely is definitely, th is definitely, th is definitely, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, thi, thi, thi. And, the.a, is to thus, is definitely, is definitely, is to toea.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. It's, the, t. It's, to me, Die Hard's not quite Predator, but it does take place at Christmas, so Die Hard gets, you know, it does get something for that. But you don't got Arne's muscles, you know?

The Bruce Willis is a little smaller. If Predators definitely near the top. Like, I think, like a cursory, my top five action movies, probably Commando in number one, followed by Predator, which is the same movie but with an alien added, which is fantastic. Is Bloodsport an action movie? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. We'll allow it.

That in the number three. Die Hart in the number four. And I reserve the right to put anything I feel like in the number five position. Cobra. Cobra is in the number five position. Cobra is pretty good. I love a bit of Cobra, Cobra, Cobra, Cobretti. It loves nothing more than... That's the character's name, yes.

Oh my God, that's amazing. He loves just pulling cold pieces of pizza out the fridge and snipping him up with scissors and putting the pieces into his mouth. Like a big beautiful psycho. That's a great that's a great action movie trope is the like the grizzled veteran cop who's such a piece of shit that he like doesn't know how to eat food. Hmm. I really like Arnold Schwarzenegger in End of Days. Oh, as Jericho Kane, is that any fucking name? Yes. Yes.

That's a great name. That is the idea there? He's just like he's alienated himself so much from everyone that he just never learned how to eat properly. I think it's more of a, I think it usually comes off more as like an extension of the character's lack of self-regard and care for their own well-being, you know? So he's already a drunk, he's already like super hungover every time he wakes up. And in end of days he gets up and he starts just like shoving stuff into a blender. He's like pouring like half a beer, shoving in a slice of pizza, cracking some eggs in there and all that sort of stuff, and then he blitzes the whole thing up and chugs

it down. In fairness, that is probably how he lives in real life. You do have to just consume calories if you're going to be that size. I do love a, I do love a Mctean and movie, because of the top McTeer director. Oh my god. All right, we're going to barrel on through that one. What's the Antonio Benderes one? The 12th warrior? The 13th warrior? One that's based on the Michael Crichton novella that is based on Baywolf?

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's an underrated movie, I reckon. It's like a middle ages, Antonio Banderas gets banished from his Middle Eastern kingdom and he gets sent off to, accidentally get sent to Viking Times and has to fight some monsters. I think I saw that movie when I was maybe like 10 and I was just very much under the impression I was not supposed to be watching this very violent movie. So still feels good in my brain. I think it's probably a good movie.

That's my review of it from being a child. Well the other thing that stands out to me in that movie is I was mentioning to someone the other day adjacent to something else. The scene in Hunt for Red October when... The crazy I haven't seen. The greatest scene of all time. When they, well they start the movie off with the Russian speaking Russian and then they go this is going to get old. All this Russian and subtitles and everything. And so they have a just a little scene where somebody's like reading something out from a book and as they're reading it in Russian the camera goes out of focus, and as it hits its point of being most out

of focus, suddenly the person's voice changes to English and then it comes back into focus and they go, hey, this guy is speaking English now and you get it. You understand what's happening. But I really like how they do that in the 13th warrior where he's stuck on a boat for like, let's assume, months, with these people who are speaking another language, and he just sits silently and watches them for this entire journey and over the course of the thing, they're having their conversations.

And individual words will start to come through in English as he like slowly starts to pick up the language they're speaking. That's just a very nice illustration of him, of them working out the, okay, now he, now, he, he, he, he, he, he, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, he, now he speaks, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he thi, thi, he, thi, thi, he language they're speaking. That's just a very nice illustration of him, of them working out the, okay, now he, now he speaks this language and stuff. It's better than some other movies where like somebody, oh what, Shanghai Night, no, Shanghai Noon with Jackie Chan. He just has like a kid's story book that he like pours over on this journey on a train for like weeks or months or whatever. And then he could just speak English at the end. What's the bloody Mel Brooks comedy where, um, at the start, they're just like, you know what, for the rest of the movie, we're just going

to do it in English. And that's literally the one thing, they have like 10 seconds of German. Yeah. I don't know, which is just as valid a way to do it as anything else, I think. So, shall we just, shall we condense this down and say that the accepted podcast canon is if the movie involves Santa or Christmas as a plot device or it takes place at Christmas it's a Christmas movie and that's enough for us. Also if you regularly watch it at Christmas movie. Ah see we got a question about that too.

Mm-hmm. I would agree with all those terms. Yeah. Thank you. Well I don't yeah I don't understand the the wanting to get into the like a pedantic ruling out of things being a Christmas movie or whatever. And like the thing is that the whole movies being Christmas movies is already like nebulous as hell because a whole bunch of them it was the studio literally being like hey keep your script entirely intact but set it somewhere between December 23rd and 26th. Like put a Christmas tree in the background and then we will put it out at holiday time and people will love it. Like the connections aren't massive in the first place. It's all about the vibe you know it's about the connections aren't massive in the first place. It's all about the vibe, you know, it's about the feeling. Mm-hmm. Those are all the best ones to me. Anything that's like,

and this does not at all speak to my Christmas experience. I have what is an aggressively normal Christmas experience, but for some reason I am drawn to Christmas movies that are about sort of like the loneliness of the holidays and the melancholy of it. So any film that like properly minds that for mood and character storytelling is a far and away a better Christmas movie than whatever the actual Christmas canon is. Hmm. Depending on the film obviously. Well if we take think, what is probably for people of my kind of age, I feel like Home Alone is basically the quintessential Christmas movie, for people of my sort of, you know, would have been like 10 to 15 through the 90s kind of age. So like spot on in terms of being at the right age when that came out and having it marketed to you and

everything. Well you lucked out because I'm a little bit younger than you guys and for us it's the goddamn 2000 Grinch. I fucking knew you were gonna say. That that's what it is. Seriously that's the movie that's always playing and I refuse to acknowledge it as anything other than this like grotesque fever dream that was brought on by Y2K. And like that's what that movie is to me. It is a fever dream and it's fucking great. Like I saw that at the cinema when it came out, and I was just like, this movie is fucking creepy as shit. And I watched it, I've watched it a lot of Christmases since then, but when I was like, very little,

and when DVD happened, my, I was just obsessed with watching the making of featurets of everything, like over and over again. And the shit behind the design choices in this movie is crazy there's like a 10-minute talk with one of their set designers talking about how they were like taking inspiration from Mesopotamian to architecture all this crazy shit and also all of the early tests so you know for the whoos they just did that weird upper lip thing yeah yeah I was gonna ask what did they say about that the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. So. I their. I their. I their. I their. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was just just just just just just just just just their. they're just. I. I was just. So. So. I. I. I. I was. I was. So. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te. t. te. te. te. te. te did they say about that? Well, so that was the very toned-down version of what they originally wanted to do because the original ones had like full face masks that were these complete grotesques, like just

crazy exaggerated cheeks and like weird eyebrows and all this stuff that were like fucking horrifying. So what we got looks fucked but it's still far better than the alternative. Oh God. They spent $125 million making that movie. And it was worth every cent. All I know is I hate the kid that plays Cindy Lou. Her fucking singing in that song is, um, it's not good. It's bad.

Yeah, there's something about the whole idea of trying to make a live-action adaptation of a Dr. Zeus book that did not work out well. The Cat in the Hat is a similar... Oh, the Cat in the Hat rules. I love that movie. That's funny as hell. Yeah, but it's weird though, because, like, the Cat in the Hat as a book, it's, it's similar to, like, to, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the the whole, the the the the the the the the the the whole, the whole, the the, the, the, the, thooooooooooooome, the, the, the whole, the whole, the whole idea, the wholethough because the like the cat and the hat as a book. It's it's like it's similar to the Lorax and all the other shit where they've taken like a 12 page long children's book and said, ah, let's make a clean hour and a half out of this. And so they have to throw all this other shit. And in the case of the cat and the hat, it's all like the cat going, Daddy, horny, and like, just extremely weird shit. Oh yeah, they've got like the car that's like the acronym that spells out or whatever is like shit or something and they're just like the whole thing is no one can say it because it's a kid's movie.

Yeah, there's there's always that joke too. Yeah, there's there's always that joke to or Michael Myers in that horrifying makeup Looks over at a like a like a gardening hoe and he calls it a dirty Oh, yeah, and he like smirks at the camera You dirty, huh, yeah, and just a quick reminder that a three-time Oscar winner. Emmanuel Lebeski, cinematographer for that film. The man who also shot Gravity, Children of Men, he shot Cat in the Hat. Oh man. I did shows.

It really makes you wonder with that sort of stuff like whether, like, you know, I certainly, I don't begrudge anyone in that position from just going, oh, they offered me several million dollars of their 125 million dollar budget to shoot this stupid thing, cool. I don't begrudge anyone from doing that, but it does make you wonder if anyone started the process going, well, it says here that they were taking inspiration

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very deliberately made the adaptation like quite stagey on film like you know they've only sort of got one or two locations and or the whole things in quite a sort of static frame or whatever. Yeah, anything where you're highlighting the theatrical or like, I would say, like artificial qualities of something, that style would work. Yeah, maybe stand up. Like, but, but yeah, generally, I think the whole 24 frames a second, 24 frames a second? It just, there's something about it.

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I'm, I'm in this, I'm in the fantasy world now. You know what? I'm not watching Ian McKeown on a sound stage. This might be a controversial take. But I'll take 10. You know what? You want less? The movie will be half as big, physically, the file, probably less work for animators. Everyone's in sort of

take it a bit easier. I probably won't notice. Um, probably won't notice. I'm not paying a lot of attention, so it'll probably be fine. We'll see how it goes. All right, hold on. Before we get too far, Andrew, yes. What's your Christmas movie of choice? Everyone's going to get really mad that we didn't actually talk about any Christmas movie. We'll talk about Christmas. I'll be mad for other reasons regardless. Yeah, there's always somebody mad. We already defended Diehardt to the try. We got at least one mad person. So I will answer this question and another question simultaneously, which is that we got a question from a friend of the show, um, Arkha 90s, who says, what movie do you or your family habitually watch around the Christmas holidays that isn't related at all to Christmas or Die Hard? Oh, I didn't read the, isn't related

at all part. I was going to say, I think that, um, I think that I would like just watching home alone around Christmas time to be my new family tradition. Because it's got just the right Christmas you feel for me. It's got that John Williams score of the little playful score that it's got going on there. It's a very lots of snow and Christmas lights kind of movie. You got people trying to murder children, everything that you want at Christmas time, basically. You got some shoplifting, you got parental neglect. You got all these things and more.

You got to teach them young, you know? Yeah. It does feature exactly what you were saying you are not looking for in a Christmas movie, Josh, which is that the whole underlying message being that Christmas is really about the family. It's really about being with your family. And we were watching it last night and my wife said, you know, she like me must have seen it dozens of times. And she was like, oh, I never, this never clicked with me before. That like, the supernatural element to the movie, which is him at the very start of the

movie, angrily saying to his mother, I wish I didn't even have a family. I wish that I wak up tomorrow and it would just be me. He learned his lesson. Yep. And then he, his wish magically makes a tree fall down over the power. the power the power the power the power the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that that that that that that that that that that that, that that that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that like that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the the that, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, the th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the the super, the the the the the the the the the the theeeean. lesson. Yep, and then he, his wish magically makes a fucking tree fall down over the power lines or whatever. But yeah, there is that whole element of, be careful what you wish for. You might suddenly be an orphan who is trying to be murdered by Joe, Joe Pesha. That's how that famous expression goes, be careful what you wish for, you might suddenly become an orphan.

Yep. Being chased by a young Daniel Stan. Oh, a nightmare. I think we could all agree. So it's probably that one these days. How about yourself? For me? For me, the easy answer and it has been since I was a kid was Batman Returns. This very much defined my taste in movies, because I watched this VHS so many times, and I never understood the movie until I watched it when I was 20. I didn't really, I mean, I was just like, Batman's doing cool shit, Catwoman's in it, there's penguins with like rocket strap to their back. One day I watched it when I was I was 20 and I was like this is really sad and fucked up. These characters are

incredibly lonely Batman just straight up murders people because and he's not even a character in the movie he's surrounded by all this very sort of Gothic expressionist, both filmmaking and architecture, and mostly he finds connection with two absolute psychopaths who want to murder everyone. That's who he eventually ends up sympathizing and empathizing with. Not to mention Christopher Wacan makes an appearance as the runaway capitalist, who is propping up Danny DeVito's all-timer performance as the penguin, to run for mayor and to create a surplus of energy that the town does not at all need. And he murders a woman in the process of doing that. And she is Michelle Pfeiffer, who becomes catwoman,

and who've, you know, the working woman who's downtrodden who ends up becoming empowered through agency and ownership of her actions. And in turn sacrifices sanity to do that because that can't exist in her line of work. And the fact that that's what that movie is about and that I watched it on repeat as a kid just kind of blows my mind. Yeah, yeah, all of the characters. The Penguin is his primary motivation is mainly just acceptance.

He just desperately wants to be accepted by the people above ground. Well and what's really amazing about his backstory which is that he was born just this freakish-looking baby and his two rich parents just threw him into the sewer and was like, gee, that's that, is that he is not at all differentiated from Bruce Wayne. In fact, he's compared frequently to Bruce Wayne as a character. Other than the fact that Bruce Wayne, he would have ended up like Nathan. That's the implication there is that he came from a rich family and would have, you know, that both of their parents would have basically built Gotham up as the city their old money

families. Am I misremembering this? Or is there a part of the movie where you see Daddy DeVito's fucked up penguin ass? You see it through like these wet, like onesy PJs? Yeah, that's right. We watched this Christmas last year. It looks exactly like that Hank Hill butt-shy. 100%.

There's a Doug Jones is in that movie. Uh, before he, you know, obviously started getting, not leading roles, but big prominent ones. He's basically just like a contortionist that's walking around. Oh yeah, he's like the creepy clown, right. Yeah. And of course, umee We Herman as, as, uh, the penguin's father who throws him away? Oh, yes, of course, of course. Well, and the most shocking part of that movie still is, and the part I haven't mentioned yet, is it is a, it is Tim Burton's flat out horniest movie. Hmm. It is in love both with the obviously the look of Michelle

Fifer, but at the same time, Danny DeVito like talks about like hook up with her and like eat her out and like calls her a pussy all the time. And that, yeah, he's got that weird, fucking horrible line about wanting to fill someone's void. Yes. Anyway, he wants to flap his flippers or whatever. He says, Jesus Christ, yeah, he is horrifying in that movie. Yeah, and I think, you know, just sort of like this very lonely identity crisis anti-capitalist movie, for some reason spoke to me in the Christmas time. No idea why. But that's the one that did it for me as a kid and still does now. We just played it at our theater for the December show, retro show last year too. So I got to watch it on the big screen last year with a big audience and yeah, it just, that

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where he's very horny at like the volunteer at the campaign headquarters. And he's like putting a badge on a tit and dragging it down. Oh. Great creepy character. Just horrifying. All the characters extremely lonely. Selina before she dies and comes back to life. Is she technically a zombie? Cabellman? She's got nine lives. More than zombies, probably.

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to whatever movie he is asked to appear in as long as it does not conflict with another movie that's already in his schedule. And that's how he winds up being in things like the Country Bears movie and shit like that. I think I watched that. And then he just plays it straight. He just goes in there and goes, well, I'm in this movie now. Which, I definitely feel that you can get the sense

from Christopher Walken that he is, like, that he actually is just going and doing a job, as opposed to say, like, you're Robert De Niro's or your Bruce Willis's, where they clearly had their peaks in their careers, and they are now just very sullenly trudging through like terrible director streaming Drek, and not giving a shit about it the entire time. Well, I'm even trying to think, like, what is a Christopher Walk-in vehicle?

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extremely good. He's in the deer hunter. I was I was recalling a little while ago one of my most embarrassing recent memories I feel is that I I got some like when we sort of go to country towns and the coast and stuff like that I like to go through all the the op shops and sometimes I will post Ben some VHS and buy some books and some records and stuff when they're extremely cheap. And I bought a book that was the deer hunter and I read it and I was like, wow what a great book. I really enjoyed that. And then at some point I like was reading about the movie.

I was like, it doesn't say anything in here about the novel it's based on. And then it took me a while to figure out that I had just read and really thoroughly enjoyed the novelization of Deer Hunter. There is no novel that that movie is based on. I was like, look at me, a smart guy, reading a book. And I was, I don't think novelizations count as books. Hey, they can't take that away from you. It's got a cover in some words. You're a smart guy now. I was just like, wow, what a serious novel. And then at some point I was like, oh no, oh no. This is just scene for scene.

They're describing shots in here. Just like when you think about just the general artistic endeavor of say writing a novel or a screenplay or a movie or whatever. And I feel like the novelization is just the most tautory bastardization of all of those things. They've just taken some, you know, work for pay writer and said, okay, watch this movie and just write it down. Right. Just write down this movie as best you can. Oh, that's got to be a good gig though. Oh yeah I feel like some of the the worst children's books that exist are ones where it's like

you know from the 70s or 80s and it's just right the plot of this this thing back out you know we've got like a we've got like a book that's like a, the sorceress apprentice and it's literally just like a novelization of the segment from Fantasia. God damn, it's not good and the kids want to read it over and over. How old are we, should we take a few more questions here? Sure. All right. Let me see. Uh, oh, oh, uh, friend of the show, Chris de Donner, says, um, Brazil has the best Christmas

movie Praxis, discuss. Huh? Please talking about the, uh, the film Brazil? The film Brazil? Oh, yes, not the country. Okay, hold on the country. The Terry Gilliam movie Brazil. Oh, right.

Sorry, I was... I think a few people refer to this as a Christmas movie recently, and I haven't seen it recently enough to recall the Christmas specific aspects. No, neither way. I have not seen it for a very long time. Well in that case, um... All right, hold on, before we move on from that one, can when you describe practice? I see it, I see it online on your guys' side of Twitter, but... It literally means the same as the word practice. It is... That's it. It is the outward expression of your internal values or beliefs. It is the practice of them, but it's a word that sounds smarter.

I'm going to get probably hideously corrected for this and I'm not going to read any of it. Yeah, yeah. People will... People love you to know that they're doing their political theory. Well, if we are talking about Christmas movies with the best praxis, it's got to be eyes wide shut or black Christmas. Ooh. All right, now, obviously we don't want to make the classic mistake of confusing black Christmas for Silent

Night Deadly Night. No, well, you can't. So please describe to us the difference. Between Black Christmas, oh yeah, okay, so Black Christmas is that there is just a sorority house that's being terrorized by a really creepy dude who's making phone calls and picking them off one by one slasher style. But it is well known for being basically the originator of the slasher film alongside a bay of blood. Those are by Mario Bava's Bay of Blood and Black Christmas and then Halloween.

Like the Holy Triangle of Slasher. But Black Christmas has a whole subplot about the sorority house, about the central girl who's trying to have an abortion, and her really aggressive boyfriend won't let her do that. And he never really showed that he was aggressive or possibly violent until she brought up, you know, her wanting to have an abortion. And it coincides with the fact that there is a really, really specifically creepy dude calling the house and murdering people and talking about how he wants to do things to them like pigs and all kinds of really really gross mutterings. It's implied possibly because of some sort of abusive mother, but

it's a guy who's really really lonely at Christmas time wanting to make other people lonely and it's very specifically a male character, and the main girl kind of gets it crossed in her head, that at the same time that my boyfriend is being really aggressive and not cool with me having agency, my friends are being murdered, who are all women. So is it the boyfriend in the end? No, but what Bob Clark does, that's of really interesting is he he still kind of like ties the two together where he's just like he's probably not the killer because the killings started technically before he found that news out, but he had the capability of being the killer

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Yes. She's really doing herself a favor at this point. Exactly. And so Silent Night Deadly Night is just guy guy goes crazy and starts killing people with an axe while dressed at Santa, right? That's my recollection of that one. Right, but one thing, and here's thing, we just did our our Christmas episode and we broke down for like an hour and a half black Christmas and Silent Night Deadly Night. The thing we didn't know about Silent Night Deadly Night and is seemingly never brought up about it is how psychologically engaged the writing is in his transformation into a murderous Santa Claus.

It actually really, really tracks that transition in a way that makes sense. And it's kind of creepy. How it just relates the idea that this young kid, he's been raised to idolize Santa Claus and this public image of Santa Claus and how everyone loves Santa Claus. And as a young kid, he sees a dude who's dressed up as Santa Claus, murder his dad, sexually assault his mom, and then murder his mom. And he's immediately sent to a fundamentalist Christian orphanage where they try to repress all those memories and are allowing Santa Claus to come in and see all the kids,

despite the fact that one of the kids is severely triggered by that. And not only that, he was told that seeing Santa Claus, staying up late enough to see Santa Claus was naughty, and he addresses the word naughty with punishment and how Santa punished his parents. And then he sees these kids kind of like having sex in the orphanage, consensual sex. And the nuns basically spank the shit out of the kids for having sex and then spank the shit at him for being a voyeur and tell him that punishment is good and punishment is great and all of this stuff. So all of these wires get crossed in his head where he associates sort of sex with

transgression and naughtiness and then transgression and noughtiness with very, very violent punishment. And that's really the first half of the film before he even puts on the Santa Claus outfit. And then, so all of a sudden, when he's working at a department store and they're like, well, Santa didn't show up, so you're going to have to put on the Santa Claus outfit. And then he sees, destiny. He sees the girl that he's interested in at the department store and has fantasies about having sex with her, and then in his dream, Santa Claus comes in and stabs the shit out of him for wanting to have sex. He sees his potential girlfriend being sexually assaulted by a co-worker, and he kills both the assaulter and then he turns and kills her because she was having sex, which was naughty. And then that launches the slasher aspect of the film, Which, and th, and th, and th, which, which, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the the the the thi, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the, and the, and the, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. And, and, and, and, and, and th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the.a, thea, thea, thea.a.a, thea.a.a.s, thea.s, they.. And then that launches the slasher aspect of the film, which is just a series of him

murdering the shit out of people for being naughty, including Jamie and I went into it at length, but these kids who steal us, uh, these like, these 12-year-olds who like steals the snow sleds from these younger kids and they're like damn we're so cool we're gonna steal these sleds and like go sledding and have fun and as one is sledding down the hill he pops out from behind a tree screams punish and chops the dude's head off and then the body headless body continues sliding down all the way to his friend who's the dude's head off and then the body headless body continues sliding down All the way to his friend who is cheering him on for being such a great sleetter and then sees that the head The body doesn't have a head on it any longer now that's good Christmas movie. I

I have a special memory of that movie which is I became aware of its existence when I was like in primary school so like under 12 I under. I? I? I have a special memory of that movie which is, um, I became aware of its existence when I was like in primary school, so like under under 12, you know, and the way it was spoken about was like, was like this thing is so messed up that it's like illegal, it's illegal to watch this movie, you know. It was very controversial at the time. They were like Santa doing mass murder. Band! Like I, yeah, remember like, I feel like the only time that that sort of like marketing really works the whole like band in these countries.

They don't want you to see this thing. It's super controversial and all that shit. It works when you're like under 15. And you're like, oh my god, this movie is so messed up that it's against the law to see it. And like, so that was my memory of that movie was like having heard of this movie, this thing of legend, you know. And then my friends with their extremely irresponsible parents who did not care what they did. One of those houses that you would go and hang out with, and you're like, oh it's great over here, we can do what we want and we can eat whatever we want and we can do all kinds of stupid shit and nobody tells us anything and then as an adult you go ooh that turns out my my friends just had very neglectful

parents oh that's kind of depressing but there was a copy of silent night deadly night floating around and I distinctly recall the image of the guy in his Santa costume with his axe in like a liquor store or something, you know. Oh yeah, yeah. He does a hold up at the first like five minutes of the movie. He steals, he kills a gas station clerk for like $20. This dude, seemingly like a, they never explain this dude, this murderous dude from the beginning and he never gets caught. So you just assume he's like he's like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. the the the the thea. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the the the explain this dude, this murderous dude from the beginning and he never gets caught. So you just assume he's like a mall Santa who just like got fed up with the pay or something. Yeah, that's it. I'm done with it. So do either of you guys have any specific memories

of like movies that were, you know, movies that were like, oh, this was banned somewhere, or, you know, you're absolutely not supposed to ever see this this this this th a th. th. th. th. the movie to to to to to to have to have to have to have to have to have to to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have a this was banned somewhere or, you know, you're absolutely not supposed to ever see this movie. Those kinds of movies that had a little urban legend around them, you know? None that spring to mind. The only thing I can think of for me is, I guess, the two first R-rated movies I ever saw and I felt like I was too young to be watching them, Child's Play, Chuckie. It literally gave me nightmares for years.

The idea of a child's doll. It was kind of like Toy Story, but what if it was a slasher film, it was horrifying. But the main one, the first one where I was like, I don't think I would be allowed to be watching this was Robocop. Ah yes. Beautiful. That bit where he shoots the dude's penis off between her dress. Yeah. Was like one of the first moments where I was like, he just, that guy just got shot in the dick. Also the bit where the guy gets doused in like toxic sludge and is very melting. Oh yeah. It gets hit with the car?

Yeah. I mean the dude who in the beginning gets the giant like military grade walking tank just blows him to pieces inside the corporate boardroom meeting. Oh yeah, yeah. E2 and I just goes to town on him for like a solid a solid minutes of shooting into him. Absolutely classic Bear Hopin. No I just I just remember that stuff like you know Fritz the Cat like which is like a 70s adult animation and which again all of these things I saw at of these things I saw at the same house

I'm pretty sure. That's a Ralph Black she one right? Same guy that did like Wizards and fucking the Lord of the Rings movie. I I think so. He's amazing very horny man. Deeply hoarny man. Hmm and I also remember at a different friend's house, but with equally neglectful parents Seeing I think again when I was under 12 seeing like Hellraiser 3 Which is not the most full-on of the Hellraiser movies? No, what is the most full-on of the Hellraiser movies? One or two? Yeah one or two definitely The Hellraiser series as far as I'm concerned stops at number three. Number three is already getting like... I'd stop at two as far as I'm concerned and then it restarts briefly for four

and then it stops again. Which one was four? That's Hellraiser in space. Hellraise all bloodlines. Yeah. So the problem with the hellraise movies is that like the first ones, Clive Barker one, it's good. It's very good, that's fine. The second one does like a nice bit of expansion of the universe. So fucking cool. Just having like the big evil force in the universe just be a giant fucking

D8 that's sucking in like black space shit. It's the noise that it makes. The first the first the first the first the first the the that it's that it's that it's the that it's the that it's that's that's that's that's that's good. It's good. It's good that's good that's good. It's good. It's good that's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good that's good. It's good that's good that's good that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good thiii. It's good the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoeseses thoeseseseseses.oes. It's good thoeses. It's good that's sucking in like black space shit. The noise that it makes, the noise that it makes is so good. Oh. But, but yeah, both of those I kind of find the third one is starting to get a bit, starting to get a bit silly. And then from that point on, I feel like they get further and further away. It's very similar to me to like all of the Saw sequels where the the Saw movies like started off of

the concept and then they kind of spun out a bit but by the time you get into like four and five and six and shit like that it's very obvious that they have just bought a script for a very middling like knock off of seven or something like that, it's very obvious that they have just bought a script for a very middling like knockoff of seven or something like that, just a really shitty cop thriller and they said right in a scene at the start where someone says something about a cube and then at the end of the movie we're gonna pay for approximately 60 seconds of Doug Bradley in the pinhead make up to say, all right, you're coming with us.

And like, that's it. That's it for the movie. They basically get further and further away from having any actual connection to the Hellraiser Mythos. Very sad. Sad stuff. Number one and two though, great stuff. Number three stars, the lady who played Reggie in the TV show Becker that's the only I'm glad I know that I'm glad I know that who was also alongside Shawnee Smith who was in several of the saw movies so there you go that we join those franchises together, folks. Hmm. Huh. Hey, one last thing before we go, which is a friend of the show, Justin McCulloch says,

Wake in Fright is the quintessential Australian Christmas movie. There we go. And the companion was waiting for. And a companion piece to Paul Kelly's How to Make Gravy, discussed. Sure. Yes. You don't need to know about the graviesiesiesiesiesiesiesiesies the companion piece to Paul Kelly's how to make gravy discussed. Sure. Yes. You don't need to know about the gravy song, Josh. That's a whole other thing. But I believe you guys discussed waking fright on the show recently. We just did wake in fright very recently and um... We just assumed that's what Australia is now. That's just your representation. So maybe 40 years ago, but now we all live in on like cattle farms, but we have streaming

services. That's it. It's exactly the same, but we have Netflix. Nice. Well, it's, it's a very fun movie about how peer pressure turns into a murderer. Hmm. And, uh, yeah. Very, very, very, uh, sweaty, filled with lots of psychological hysteria and weird primal impulses.

So we were very happy to watch that. And I actually think it's a really good companion to the other Christmas movie we didn't end up getting to eyes wide shut, which is also a lot about weird, sweaty, sexual impulse, except it's more, it's just beneath the veneer of what you believe is there. And you should just, you know, look away and ignore it, which is, I guess, eventually what Wake and Fright tries to argue to. Just go back to being a schoolteacher. Just forget that all of that happened. That you had sex with Donald Pleasance in a drunk and violent hysteria. Yeah.

Who among us? Who among us? Who among us? You know? Well, we will probably wrap it up there folks. A Merry Christmas Eve and a Merry Christmas to you. We will have a bonus episode come out on the old Patreon this week. Patreon.com. Slash. Vista. But then we're going to have a week off over the new year. We'll treat ourselves off to a cheeky, cheeky week off. And then we'll be right back in the new year. You can find Josh on the sleazoid's podcast, which I believe is on iTunes and all all the other jazz places that you like it. And if you do like it, you can find extra episodes of that on Patreon as well.

You can. Anything else you want to plug or anything, Josh? No, I'm pretty good. I mean, if you guys want to follow on Twitter, I'm the Josh L, but that's basically it. All we do is talk about, talktalk about movies and specifically a lot of genre and exploitation movies over on sleasoids, which we've had Andrew on twice. We'll probably have him on again in the future. That's good because I spend far too much time thinking about which movies I want to come on there and talk about. Yeah. Every single one of our guest comes on and is like, man, it's just like you get to like program your own theater for like a week. So and Andrew, I've never seen Cobra.

So if you want to bring Cobra on. You could certainly make a good double header of fascist 80s action movies out of that one. Hell yeah. All right. Well, Ben, do you have any final thoughts for us before leaving? Final thoughts for the year? Just have a sick one.

You know, you might not celebrate Christmas, but regardless, take a few days to just sit down and do nothing and stare into the distance. And, uh, yeah, treat yourself, you've earned it. Yeah, see, save any beast-moding for 2019. Absolutely. Yeah, that's right. Store up some beast energy before you hit beast-moat in the new year. All right, well, thanks everybody, and we'll see you in 2019. Bye. Bye. the